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Speaker 1: Good evening the seven after five news talks would be

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Speaker 1: so the Treaty Principal's Bill is officially dead on its

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Speaker 1: second reading. The eyes are eleven, the noose one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twelve.

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Speaker 2: The motion is loft.

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Speaker 1: David Seymol's the act party leader of the architect of

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Speaker 1: the Billy's with us now, David Good Evening, get it run.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? I don't think anyone else, frankly, would have

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Speaker 2: had the courage to put this agenda on the table.

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Speaker 2: And after listening, I stayed and I listened to every

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Speaker 2: single word of the opposition speeches, and not one of

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Speaker 2: them could explain why they don't think Parliament should be

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Speaker 2: able to make laws, which is the first principle. I propose,

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Speaker 2: why they don't think that the Crown should commit to

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Speaker 2: upholding Maori rights but also upholding everyone else's rights too,

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Speaker 2: or why they don't think every person should be equal

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Speaker 2: before the laws. So, as far as the debate goes,

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Speaker 2: there are three principles proposed, and speakers actually spoke about

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Speaker 2: what's in the bill or why they disagree with it.

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Speaker 2: Now that, on the other hand, depresses me somewhat for

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Speaker 2: the somewhat for the future of our country if this

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Speaker 2: is our parliament.

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Speaker 1: But hey, what's next? What do you do with the

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Speaker 1: bill now?

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Speaker 2: Well, the basic commitment that act has to equal rights

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Speaker 2: for all kiwis before the law. That stays because that

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Speaker 2: is a universal truth. As the election approaches, we will

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Speaker 2: lay out exactly how we're going to do that tactically.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that as we think

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Speaker 2: about all of this, we'll be asking how do we

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Speaker 2: get more people on board for that truth? Because right

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Speaker 2: now we've got a country where a large minority of

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Speaker 2: people genuinely believe that we should be ranked by the

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Speaker 2: arrival time of our ancestors, and I don't think that

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Speaker 2: that is healthy for the future of our country.

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Speaker 1: Would you make a referendum a bottom line and a

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Speaker 1: coalition discussion? Is that how you do it?

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Speaker 2: That is absolutely a possibility. We wouldn't rule that out

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Speaker 2: because sooner or later, the logic of this spill is

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Speaker 2: going to prevail New Zealanders our equal The Treaty does

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Speaker 2: actually give us the provision to be equal. It's just

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Speaker 2: been hijacked by a whole lot of people, mainly in

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Speaker 2: the courts and the White Tangy Tribunal. And the bureaucracy

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Speaker 2: who don't seem to see how serious this is.

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Speaker 1: All right, David, appreciate your time tonight. David Seymoor, the

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Speaker 1: Act Party leader and the architect of the Treaty Principles bill,

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Speaker 1: voted down on second reading in the House ten minutes ago.

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