1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Now, the Green Party has unveiled a policy to create jobs. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: It wants to set up a Ministry of Green Works 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: and expand the Jobs for Nature program. It would apparently 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: create more than forty thousand jobs and it would cost 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: more than eight billion dollars. Chloe Swarbrick is the Green 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Party code leader. 7 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: Hey Chloe child, how are ye? 8 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: And well thank you? So what are we going to 9 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: pay these people to do? 10 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: So we're going to pay these people to rebuild our infrastructure, 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: to restore biodiversity, to build our homes and ultimately an 12 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: economy that we as New Zealanders own and are proud of. 13 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: And where are we going to get the eight billion dollars? 14 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: Well, the really exciting thing is that in about a 15 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: fortnight's time we'll be unveiling our Green Budget, which will 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: show people precisely how we can have an economy that 17 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: reduces the cost of living, improves quality of life and 18 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: also reduces climate changing emission. So there's more detail to 19 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: come in that full budget. 20 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: So will it be I mean, is this something that 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: you will create? Will there be a new revenue stream 22 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: or will you be cutting things out of the existing 23 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: budget in order to make up this eight billion dollars. 24 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like a your politician to 25 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: use you have to wait and see, but I think 26 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: people can get a pretty clear indication of where the 27 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: Green Party's values lie when it comes to our taxation system. 28 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: We had a report from Inland Revenue Department about two 29 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: or three years ago now which told us that the 30 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: wealthare is three hundred and eleven households in this country 31 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: pay in effective tax rate less than half of that 32 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: of the average New Zealander. We've always said that we 33 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: think that that's fundamentally unfair, and you'll see precisely how 34 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: we'll raise that revenue necessary for this spending to create 35 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: an economy that works for all of us in about 36 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: a fortnight's time. 37 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: Right, So more tax okay, So why do we need 38 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: to pet paper? Why are we doing these make work schemes? 39 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Why not just rely on private employment? 40 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Well, you can see from the Productivity Commissions reporting a 41 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: few years ago now that we have approximately one hundred 42 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: billion dollar infrastructure deficit over the last thirty years and 43 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: a forecast with one hundred billion dollars for the next 44 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: thirty years. It's really clear that the private sector is 45 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: not filling that gap, and in fact, when you look 46 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 2: at the research on public private partnerships or even actually 47 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: experienced with the likes of Transmission Gully of late, you 48 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: can see that that stuff cost New Zealand is more 49 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: because we're paying for the profit margin of private companies. 50 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: That's precisely why we're saying, let's look at the past 51 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: and see where we've done these things well. And that's 52 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: why we've taken inspiration from the Ministry of Works, which 53 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: once upon a time was charged with building the infrastructure 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: that all of us rely on, and we've said, let's 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: learn from that, but do it better confronted with the 56 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: challenges of for example, climate change. 57 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Listen, I want to get your take on something that 58 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: I've been watching develop globally, and this is I think 59 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. So I'm changing the subject here 60 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: and I haven't warned you, but I'm getting a lot 61 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: of I'm getting the impression that there is a lot 62 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: of pressure that's building on net zero by twenty fifty 63 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: or even cutting down by twenty thirty. And I'm basing 64 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: this on the fact that we've had discussions here in 65 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: New Zealand about whether we can meet our obligations you'll 66 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: have seen Tony Blase come out against net zero over 67 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: in the UK. What do you think is going to happen? 68 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: Do you think that this agreement's going to hold well? 69 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: I guess just to take a set back. I can 70 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: understand why there is assion or a deprioritization. People are 71 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: happy when it comes to climate action because the immediate 72 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: pressure is on cost of living. But I think it's 73 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 2: important for us to connect the dots. If we continue 74 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 2: to allow climate change to exacerbate unmitigated, we are going 75 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: to end up our higher cost of living people one, 76 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: they need to think about. 77 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: All of the things. 78 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: I understand the idea whether. 79 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: I understand, But Chloe, what do you think is going 80 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: to happen? Do you think the Paris Agreement is going 81 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: to fall apart or do you think it will hold 82 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: to twenty fifty? 83 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 2: What I'm interested in is what we have control over, 84 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 2: in the power to actually do, and that is why 85 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: it's think it's really important that New Zealanders here crystal 86 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: clear from a party that has its legacy. You don't 87 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: sound in the planet that we're committed to this stuff. 88 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: You don't confident. 89 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I'm confident that we need to act if we are 90 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: going to meet the scale of the challenges that are 91 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: in front of us. So it's really a matter of 92 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: whether we are going when an unsoppable force meets and 93 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: a movable object here, what do we do we have 94 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: to it's human beings rattle with the reality of the 95 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: challenge that is fronting us. 96 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Chloe listen, thank you, I appreciate your time. That's Chloe 97 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: Swarbrick the Green Party Cold Listen. I'm fascinated that Chloe 98 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: couldn't tell me that she thinks the Paris agreement is 99 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: going to hold for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive 100 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, 101 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.