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Speaker 1: A new New Zealand initiative report is calling on the

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Speaker 1: government to tap into GP data. It argues that ministers

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Speaker 1: can track hospital visits, they can track prescriptions and even

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Speaker 1: school attendance, but they can't see what's happening in GP

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Speaker 1: clinics where most of the healthcare occurs, and direct info

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Speaker 1: from doctors they reckon could help improve health outcomes and

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Speaker 1: trim the health budget while they're appit at it. So

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Speaker 1: we've got doctor Angus Chambers with us. Here is a

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Speaker 1: chair of the General Practice Owners Association. Angus, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: So this report is called better Health through Better Data

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Speaker 1: by a doctor Prabani Wood. Is this a good idea

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Speaker 1: from doctor Wood that we share the data from GPS

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Speaker 1: to the ministry?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I think it is. It depends on how it's done.

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Speaker 2: That the spinner acknowledgedes a gap for quite a long

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Speaker 2: time in our system, and I think I agree with

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Speaker 2: her findings out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, her report talks about Canada. They do it in Canada. Canada.

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Speaker 1: Why do we not and why have we not collected

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Speaker 1: data yet? You know what has been stopping us?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's partly will you know it has been collected

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Speaker 2: in sort of piecemeal manners and you know, with some

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Speaker 2: actually good results out of it. And it's been done

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Speaker 2: by GP organizations phos gps themselves, but not systematically, and

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Speaker 2: it really requires an investment to do it in a

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Speaker 2: systematic way.

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Speaker 1: You've read the report. Do you like her idea about

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Speaker 1: how it should be managed? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I do. I mean, I think the absolute key here

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Speaker 2: is how patients feel about having their data in there,

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Speaker 2: and to be I don't think they trust the government

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Speaker 2: that well, although some sometimes they expect half of it

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Speaker 2: there anyway, So a lot of arrangements around it that

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Speaker 2: need to be done carefully, around governance and who've acted decisions,

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Speaker 2: and it's very clear from her report that she believes

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Speaker 2: and I think it's the Canada experience that you need.

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Speaker 2: The clinicians, the general practitioners and nurs practitioners have a

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Speaker 2: governance over the data and so I think that that

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Speaker 2: would give a lot of trust around the privacy issues

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Speaker 2: and the good use of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, you can you can share the data

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Speaker 1: without actually sharing the name and the address, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: And I know it's deeply ingrained about you know that

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Speaker 1: the information you give to your GP should go no further.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time that just that just you know,

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Speaker 1: puts a handbrake on the health system.

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Speaker 2: Yep, no, that's right. There are ways to manage that,

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Speaker 2: so I don't don't disagree. I think it can be

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Speaker 2: done in a good way. But it depends on how

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Speaker 2: it's done. Who's in charge of it?

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Speaker 1: All right, Anger, thank you so much, Angus has said,

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Speaker 1: and of course Provadi Wood has said it. I wonder

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