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Speaker 1: Jason Pine, morning to you. Good morning Andrew Saville, Greetings.

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Speaker 2: Hello Michael, how are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, some was at Murrayfield said you could hear a

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Speaker 1: pin drop when the bagpipe started. And the Scottish very

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Speaker 1: respectful of the All Blacks, particularly respectful of the Harker.

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Speaker 1: And he's been at a game in London and the

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Speaker 1: poems compared to the Scots and Boorish, and it was

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Speaker 1: a great day. And it was the best day he

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Speaker 1: had had in Edinburgh in the three years he's been

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Speaker 1: in Edinburgh.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's a great experience Murrayfield when the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: are playing. They've been here a couple of times. And

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Speaker 2: the Flower of Scotland, the anthem when they sing that

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Speaker 2: if there was a roof it would lift off. It's

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Speaker 2: up there with the Welsh national anthem in the French

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Speaker 2: in Paris. So I'm pleased he had a good time.

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Speaker 2: He got home safely, he did.

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Speaker 1: He called from the pub and he's very very chatty

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Speaker 1: at the pub. And one of the things he was

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Speaker 1: telling us that that the buzz, the buzz at the

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Speaker 1: pub was that the All Blacks are cheats is too

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Speaker 1: strong a word, but the three yellows were deserved, and

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Speaker 1: they don't play a game that the Scottish were impressed with. Well,

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Speaker 1: three yellows, Jason, you can't argue they're all fair yellows.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't They don't go round tripping people and you know,

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Speaker 1: chasing the ball when you know you're not supposed to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Leroy Carter's one was probably the silliest of the three.

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Speaker 4: Wallace a tea.

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Speaker 3: I hate the rule that you get a yellow card

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Speaker 3: for a knockdown, but they know the rule and that's

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Speaker 3: four yellow cards for the All Blacks this year now

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Speaker 3: for that very thing. So while the rule might be

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Speaker 3: you know in question, they know they have to do better.

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Speaker 3: It was sort of three parts really. The first half

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Speaker 3: All Blacks were good minutes forty to sixty, Scotland came

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Speaker 3: back into it, could have perhaps should have won. And

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Speaker 3: then it was the Damien McKenzie show that got us home.

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Speaker 3: Herculean from him that body twist thirty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just Crad was out of this world.

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Speaker 2: You know, we see Dallan for the Worry is another

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Speaker 2: n ROP players, you know, fly in the year and

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Speaker 2: what they do is extraordinary. But that was something else

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Speaker 2: to actually to actually stop and let the defenders go

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Speaker 2: through them basically, and then twist around and plant it

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Speaker 2: with his left hand and stay in. It's quite extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: He often gets bad, Damien mckins. I don't know why,

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Speaker 2: but when he started at ten last year in the end,

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Speaker 2: I think people were quite hard and stuck the boot

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Speaker 2: in a bit. But I'll tell you what he's he's

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Speaker 2: a match winner and he does stuff that other players can't.

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Speaker 3: He was his role, isn't it twenty three twenty three

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Speaker 3: on his back. I know that he's a first five

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Speaker 3: and can play fall back, but for me, guys that

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Speaker 3: that is his best position, isn't it coming off the

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Speaker 3: bench in whichever way finish Yeah, I finish it.

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Speaker 4: And to do things like that. He's a good clutch goalkicker.

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Speaker 3: He nailed that one from what fifty out with blood

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Speaker 3: pouring out of his face at the end.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: I just think for now, you say, Damien McKenzie, you

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Speaker 3: are out impacted twenty three players.

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Speaker 2: They should have been up by thirty five forty, probably

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks, with the amount of ball and chances

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Speaker 2: they had. They just seems to be this. I've discussed

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Speaker 2: it with you before the third quarter of games, they

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Speaker 2: seem to go under the sheds and then come back

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Speaker 2: out a little confused or were too much going on

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Speaker 2: up top and they lose their way. But you've got

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Speaker 2: to hand it to them. They soaked up that pressure,

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Speaker 2: immense pressure at seventeen all yep, to just not blink

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Speaker 2: and then go on and win the game.

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Speaker 4: That's I think they're going to go all the way.

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Speaker 1: I know England is a thing, and I know England

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Speaker 1: a better than Scotland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to be. Okay, you as a big guy

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Speaker 1: sav who is pacing and yet doesn't obviously look so

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Speaker 1: you can under answer me this question. You mean by that, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm pacy, but don't look so well, it's Satiti. So

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Speaker 1: I've only sort of seen. Somebody has said the other

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Speaker 1: day his prodigious speed, and I thought, what And he

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Speaker 1: clearly is fast, but he doesn't look at does he?

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: He? I mean, he's a he's an athlete. I've seen

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Speaker 2: him a few times without his shirt on and he

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Speaker 2: is built right.

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Speaker 1: Was he on the field or is it your place?

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Speaker 1: What was doing?

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Speaker 3: Were comparing you?

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Speaker 4: Comparing you?

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Speaker 2: But he's very he's a good ballhand. Look that that

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Speaker 2: game he played bar the yellow card, that game was

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Speaker 2: right up there with some of his performances from last year.

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Speaker 2: He's just taken a while to get into it this year.

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Speaker 2: I think second year syndrome sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But he is fast. Yeah, But you know how some

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Speaker 1: guys look fast, some guys don't. He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly fast, just and't look that fast. Little.

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Speaker 2: He reminds me a bit of a Kira Yowani who

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Speaker 2: was a big, big lump of a lad, but he

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Speaker 2: was quick too.

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Speaker 1: Jason, can we conclude now that Auckland is simply a

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Speaker 1: better side than Wellington and no matter how often they play,

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Speaker 1: that's how it's going to work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we can probably make that assessment. Wellington

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Speaker 3: Phoenix must wonder if they're ever going to win one

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Speaker 3: of these things. You know, had a great chance on

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, you know, down to ten Auckland the ft

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Speaker 3: se then down to nine.

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Speaker 4: Great energy in the ground. It was a terrific occasion.

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Speaker 3: I saw some reports that the crowd wasn't great and

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Speaker 3: numbers wise maybe not, but noise wise, from I think

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Speaker 3: Auckland FC, if anything, are a better team than they

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Speaker 3: were last year when they got within a game of

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Speaker 3: the Grand Final having won the Premiers Play. I mean

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Speaker 3: to hold off a home team with nine men for

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Speaker 3: decentent portion of the game, but also to score the

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Speaker 3: goals that they did. Yeah, they are streets ahead of

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Speaker 3: Wellington Phoenix at the moment and the best team in

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Speaker 3: the A League for mine.

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Speaker 2: I love I love the drama at the end mic.

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Speaker 2: As Jason mentioned, they were down to night and they

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Speaker 2: were camped on their goal line. Basically all the players

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Speaker 2: were back. They're trying to soak up time. I think

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Speaker 2: it was nine or ten minutes added, Yeah, Jason, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: Commentary was all right too. That added a bit of drama.

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Speaker 1: You've got to get the good commentators. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: see it. But this this cricket the black Caps Windys

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Speaker 1: they said no one was there, and then I'm reading

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Speaker 1: about this New Rebel was right.

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Speaker 2: The crowd and Nelson used today it was pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. OK.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm reading about the New Rebel Cricket League, and

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Speaker 1: then Williamson was retiring but not returned. There's too much cricket.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like I don't even know what's going

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Speaker 1: on anymore between one day and Odie I's.

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Speaker 2: And but look, I'm looking forward to test matches. That's

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Speaker 2: that's the that's the key is that catch. But then

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Speaker 2: but then there's no cricket until about March. Mike, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Why do we need it?

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Speaker 1: Do we need a new rebel league funded by more

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Speaker 1: Indian Moneyment.

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Speaker 2: Was if it was in January, the mid feb in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and it had the best play, well the

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Speaker 2: best Kiwi's playing, and I think they wouldd a bit

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Speaker 2: of interest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I was arguing with the Prime Minister as well.

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Speaker 1: He came in and goes, oh you see the league

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Speaker 1: last night? I said, I get up at two thirty.

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Speaker 1: Stop hassling me. And and it's like this was a

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Speaker 1: stupid competition that involved nobody, and so we play some

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Speaker 1: more in Australia and Australia wasn't even in the competition.

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Speaker 2: It was what, It's fantastic all these in our role

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Speaker 2: players are playing with the country, the heritage and last

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Speaker 2: night's game was super. The Kiwi's effort in the second

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Speaker 2: half was outstanding. Dylan Brown signed for the Newcastle Knights

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Speaker 2: for what twelve or thirteen million? I thought, what on

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Speaker 2: earth are they doing? This guy is a handy player,

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Speaker 2: but last night he was on fire. I've never seen it.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen a test performance like that for a very,

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Speaker 2: very long time from one individual player. So I thought

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Speaker 2: it was a great game.

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Speaker 1: Did foreun play well?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: He did yet last game of it, Yeah, he played well.

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Speaker 2: Kean o' kenney, the young Titans fullback, he had an

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Speaker 2: outstanding game as well. They were down at halftime and

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Speaker 2: they blew somewhere away in the second art great performance.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it, Jason, when you've seen Karen Foran's neck,

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Speaker 1: it's an incredible neck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great neck. One of the great necks,

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Speaker 3: one of the great careers. Over three hundred first grade games,

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Speaker 3: thirty odd tests. Clearly emotional at the end of it.

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Speaker 3: You would be, wouldn't you watch? I watched the game?

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Speaker 3: I thought, did I did? The someone fans boo, the boo,

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Speaker 3: the harker at the start is what happened?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like teachers and that guy last week at

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Speaker 1: their conference. Why is everyone booing people? What's the matter

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Speaker 3: I think it has the desired effect. It doesn't have

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Speaker 3: the desired effect. Hey, Liam Lawson, this morning over, we're

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Speaker 3: probably going to get to it. I might lead us

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Speaker 3: there if it's okay, Mike seventh this morning, that seventh.

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Speaker 3: When you start seventh.

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Speaker 1: He started seventh, finished seventh. The story for him is

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Speaker 1: that he was milking his tires to the end because

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Speaker 1: if he'd gone another pit stop, he wouldn't have finished seventh.

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Speaker 4: So to hold hold was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So finally some of their strategy actually worked today.

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Speaker 1: Correct, Oh, yeah, you know that is true. And Hadja

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Speaker 1: what was important was Sonoda was nowhere and Hadja was

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Speaker 1: actually started ahead of Lawson but finished behind him. So

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Speaker 1: all of that stacks up well. And from all the

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Speaker 1: commentary I saw over the weekend, there is a general

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Speaker 1: sense that he's done enough. If you want an up

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Speaker 1: and coming team, this is for next year. If you

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Speaker 1: want an up and coming team, which is what Racing

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Speaker 1: Bulls is, you got a guy called Liam Lawson who's

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Speaker 1: only into his second season, and you got Lynd Vladd

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Speaker 1: who's in his first season. Why do you need a

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Speaker 1: guy called Sonoda who's in his fifth season without the

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Speaker 1: money from Honda. So don't worry about it, So that's

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Speaker 1: how that's going to play it up.

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Speaker 4: So to give it up, what did he finish seventeenth?

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Speaker 1: I know it's well it's the car. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you look at the if you look to the warm

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Speaker 1: up in the practice, Vastapan was at the back of

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Speaker 1: the field as well. Both those Red Bull cars are

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Speaker 1: absolutely useless. They rebuilt the Stapan's car overnight literally as

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Speaker 1: an engine the whole lot. So that's why he started

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Speaker 1: at the back of the field. He took a penalty

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Speaker 1: on it because they knew if he could get a

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Speaker 1: decent car, it could end up, which he has in

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Speaker 1: the third whereas they couldn't give a monkey's about to

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Speaker 1: note because he's nowhere anyway, So he got nothing, and

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Speaker 1: so he started at the back of the field ended

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Speaker 1: at the back of the field. I mean, it must

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Speaker 1: be a miserable time. Must three races to go. Everyone knows,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, everyone hates you and you're on

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Speaker 1: your way out and it's just like you know, don't

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Speaker 2: I still think it's extraordinary mite. You know we mentioned

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Speaker 2: this time and time again, but that here's this young

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Speaker 2: and he's beating guys like that, and he's tussling with

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Speaker 2: guys like that, it's still it's extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: And that's the stuff that they will see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you've got a guy who's can can hold the

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Speaker 1: field on tires that are gone, that skill and that's

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Speaker 1: what you're investing in, and that's why he will have

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Speaker 1: a seatnet season, because he deserves to be there. I

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Speaker 1: are Lawson had your and to a lesser degree, Barman there.

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Speaker 1: As far as the rookies go and those who have delivered,

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Speaker 1: they're the ones who deserve to be there in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. As far as I can work out the

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Speaker 1: I don't have time to raise this, but I was

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Speaker 1: going to raise the Scott Barrett thing and the non

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Speaker 1: playing sabbatical. What's that about?

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Speaker 2: Oh that was sign posted here in the year. Well,

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Speaker 2: you signed a new deal, right and as part of

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Speaker 2: the contract. A lot of these guys who've been around

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Speaker 2: a long time get to have the ability to go

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Speaker 2: and play overseas and come back.

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Speaker 1: Or but non playing, though you lose your touch.

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Speaker 2: He's been through a lot.

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Speaker 1: The body of his Oh, for goodness sake.

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Speaker 3: So sorry, they'll be okay. Sorry, I think they'll be okay,

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Speaker 3: the Crusaders without him there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry for disagreeing with everything you've said this morning, mate,

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Speaker 2: but you know that happens sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Happened with the Prime Minister as well. It's it's I'm

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Speaker 1: starting to think it's me.

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Speaker 2: Hey mate. The chocolate Sanders have been starting to appe

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Speaker 2: here in the supermarket. So you'll be on leave soon

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Speaker 2: maybe you?

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Speaker 1: Ah, I love you, show me not back next to

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