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Speaker 1: Suppose the parliamentary circus we saw last week, the callers

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Speaker 1: come out standing and will do something about standing orders

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Speaker 1: and whether they adequately deal with a set of circumstances

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Speaker 1: that clearly were not envisaged in more moderate times. Shane

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Speaker 1: Jones raised the matter with the Speaker and he's with us.

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Speaker 1: Very good morning to you. Well Flix, I happen to

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Speaker 1: be watching it. Did Jerry brownly take offense that you'll

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Speaker 1: suggest in in the sense I am taking it seriously?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe he's taking it seriously and can do

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Speaker 1: something substantial?

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's a very senior parliamentarian. He's exasperated. Look, we've

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Speaker 2: got a situation where the Maori Party are really political vacrants.

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Speaker 2: They turn up when they want to. They don't believe

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Speaker 2: the rules of regulations, the duties of being parliamentarians apply

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Speaker 2: to them. They've got that young fellow from the South

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Speaker 2: Island who's currently before the Privileges Committee. I forget the

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Speaker 2: boy's name. I mean he turns up in Parliament with

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Speaker 2: a beanie made out of feathers. Look, these standards are

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Speaker 2: completely being trashed, but they believe that because they're possessed

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Speaker 2: of a new moral superior indigenous culture that the rest

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Speaker 2: of us will maldi or non maldi in parliament a

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Speaker 2: stale pale mail and they're going to lead us to

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Speaker 2: the new Nirvana. I got news for them. They're going

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Speaker 2: to be hauled off to the Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well see here's the problem. So you've got two things.

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Speaker 1: You're talking standing orders and you've got privileges, privileges for

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Speaker 1: last week. Will they do you think, actually do anything?

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Speaker 1: And if they do, what will it be? And do

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Speaker 1: the Maori Party give a toss?

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Speaker 2: Well, I wrote the letter and it's up to Jerry

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Speaker 2: to give them an opportunity for a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: But look, what's the point of coming to Parliament as

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Speaker 2: a little party? And they sort of addressed as scarecrows?

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Speaker 2: How can I take that serious? How can you Zealand

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Speaker 2: fill their money, their taxpayer money which got a fortune

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Speaker 2: to're in Parliament? And if the Standing Orders Committee can

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Speaker 2: meet sooner rather than later and come up with some

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Speaker 2: new penalties, some new censures, so that these people realize

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Speaker 2: that no Parliament belongs to the people and you don't

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Speaker 2: speak for the people, you speak for a time minority.

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Speaker 2: Those who turned out yesterday at tohkoi. They're all going

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Speaker 2: home to pay their bills and the theater's over now

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Speaker 2: and get back and look after their kids and join

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Speaker 2: the rest of the repress. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Problem for the standing orders, what do you do? What

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Speaker 1: is the penalty?

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Speaker 2: Well, the penalties have historically work, but we don't live

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Speaker 2: in a world of TikTok now. We live in the

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Speaker 2: world as a consequence of Jasinda and Mallard where rules

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Speaker 2: have been inverted. You can wear I think I saw

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Speaker 2: someone come one day and then jendles into Parliament. Of

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Speaker 2: course you've got the Greens dress them as hamess loving

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Speaker 2: kind of shawl outfit. I mean, not the hell's happening

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you. But the problem is

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Speaker 1: they're not employees and you can't sack them, and when

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Speaker 1: they dance on the floor of Parliament and we're appalled,

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Speaker 1: as you were quite right to point out, and your

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Speaker 1: herald piece the other day. The standing orders can't sack them.

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Speaker 1: They can't put them in jail, they can't book them

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Speaker 1: out of the house. They're stuck, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, sadly in the old days, if you are

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Speaker 2: continually violated the underlying Prince of Parliament. You're thrown in

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Speaker 2: the dungeon, and sadly those days have gone, although I

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Speaker 2: was looking across fover Straight the other day trying to

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Speaker 2: find a suitable place for those malcontents. But look, let's

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Speaker 2: trust in the judgment of these of the senior MPs

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Speaker 2: that are on these standing orders. They are able of

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Speaker 2: coming up with new rules and new laws that have

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Speaker 2: a genuinely deterring, deterrent like effect upon them. But look

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Speaker 2: at the people you're talking to. I really want toy

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Speaker 2: very rarely ever comes to Parliament and it's hard to

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Speaker 2: recognize them under that enormous hat, a cowboy hat, by

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Speaker 2: the way, which he wears. Debbie comes festooned with feathers

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Speaker 2: and sort of Scapo like accoutrements. And how can you

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Speaker 2: take that? Serious?

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Speaker 1: Bruf Good to talk to you, Shane Jones and your

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Speaker 1: first MP. Behind all of that is, in fact, of

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Speaker 1: course a serious point. And if you didn't read this

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Speaker 1: piece in the Herald, you should because one of the

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Speaker 1: best points you made was Middle New Zealand has been

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Speaker 1: appalled to what's happened to this country in the last

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Speaker 1: week or so. And I think he's spot On.

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