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Speaker 1: It's fourteen away from five. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence

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Speaker 1: with us right now.

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Speaker 2: Hi, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in the Maori Party?

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Speaker 2: Well you may well ask quite a lot really. When

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Speaker 2: you get the son of one of the Maori Parties

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Speaker 2: MPs who was their whip up until recently and who

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Speaker 2: was fired as the whip and the job was taken

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Speaker 2: over by the leader or one of the co leader,

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Speaker 2: Debi Packer, you know the party is not certainly going

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Speaker 2: along as smoothly as what it should do. And this

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Speaker 2: guy ru Cuppa Kingi. He was the person who organized

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Speaker 2: that massive Equoi to Parliament which was a great equal

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Speaker 2: no violence and it was held pretty well. But reminds

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Speaker 2: me a bit of the time when the Alliance Party

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Speaker 2: was falling falling apart in two thousand and two and

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Speaker 2: Jim Andersen went off and formed the Progressive Party. There's

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Speaker 2: a difference here. The Maori Party have seats, so they

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Speaker 2: constituenty MPs and if you've got them arguing like this,

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Speaker 2: then you're, you know, the people that are representing their constituency.

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Speaker 2: It's much harder to break away.

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Speaker 1: And what you're trying to make is am I right

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Speaker 1: in thinking that that if the leadership doesn't like what

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Speaker 1: Maria men Or and Ferris takut Feris are doing, they

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Speaker 1: can't fire them are electoral MPs.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and that's the difficulty they've got. But

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Speaker 2: when you look at the Sun, the organizer of the Hequi,

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Speaker 2: he's saying that their leadership is nothing short of a dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: Now that's what we've been told, but we don't know

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Speaker 2: is exactly he's run.

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Speaker 1: If you're a successful party in the way you know,

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Speaker 1: the way that we do politics currently and have done

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Speaker 1: for a very long time, it's always run centralized, right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, of course your leaders call the shots. The

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Speaker 2: leaders tend to call the shots. But when you've got

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Speaker 2: a rebel MP, and look, I've seen many rebelly MPs

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Speaker 2: over the years, and your older listeners will remember, starting

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Speaker 2: with Mike Minogue and Rob Muldoon back in the early eighties.

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Speaker 2: You know, the MP's they do sometimes go out and

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Speaker 2: speak like t Ferris terrible getting the names. I'm afraid

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Speaker 2: that that fellow fires that chat Ferris, who runs who

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Speaker 2: represents the whole of the South Island. You know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what he was doing in that late night

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Speaker 2: cross on social media, but he didn't seem to I

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Speaker 2: think know what he was doing himself, even though he

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Speaker 2: did triple down on it.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I just suggest though, that the loss

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Speaker 1: of Eru Kappa Kingi is actually quite significant for the

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Speaker 1: Maori Party because he runs He he was very very

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Speaker 1: he assisted them a lot with that he was.

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Speaker 2: A candidate and the former vice president.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but that hikoi that he ran for them was

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Speaker 1: h fantastic. He is to them, I think a little

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Speaker 1: bit like the unions are to Labor. It's like the

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Speaker 1: loss of the unions would be quite significant to Labor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, So it's significant for the party. And

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Speaker 2: the difficulty, of course is for Chrysipkins because I see

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Speaker 2: he's distanced himself yet again from the Maldi Party. But

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Speaker 2: the more they behave like this, the less it looks

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Speaker 2: like that Labor would lead a government at the next election.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it would anyway, but the Malordi Party

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Speaker 2: would have to be part of that.

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Speaker 1: Any word from Jonesy on the old Energy announcement.

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Speaker 2: You'll have been deafened by Jonesy's silence, actually, and I

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Speaker 2: think I'm sure he doesn't want to repeat of what

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Speaker 2: we saw when the twenty seventeen government was formed and

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Speaker 2: he was standing on the stage with Jasinda Dern and

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Speaker 2: Megan Woods when they announced there would be no more

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Speaker 2: exploration of oil and gas in this country. And you

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Speaker 2: remember he buried his hand, had his head in his

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Speaker 2: hands on stage. It's pretty obvious it's a real protest.

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Speaker 2: But look, Jonesy feels that there should be more. There

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Speaker 2: should be more radical this reform of the electricity system.

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Speaker 2: He would like to see renationalization of it. He wrote

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Speaker 2: a twenty page report for Winston Peters outlining his views

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Speaker 2: some time ago. So look, the fact that he didn't

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Speaker 2: turn up to the announcement was no accident. I talked

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Speaker 2: to him today and he said, oh, there happened to

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Speaker 2: be a Maori Women's Welfare League meeting in Katya as

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Speaker 2: it was on your back door. Jonesie, Oh, that's very handy.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. He will be speaking tomorrow

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Speaker 2: at a thing with Winston Peters. There will be a

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Speaker 2: lot of protesters there, I would imagine on the Palestinian

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Speaker 2: situation with Winston turning out, But I think you'll find

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Speaker 2: him putting paid to the suggestion by Chris Hopkins continually

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Speaker 2: that no gas has been found in New Zealand because

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Speaker 2: gas has been discovered.

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Speaker 1: Yes, hey, very quickly, can you just run me through

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Speaker 1: what's gone on here with the monyeru wom that I

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Speaker 1: because the cops said, is not enough evidence to lay

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Speaker 1: corruption charges yet.

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Speaker 2: And look, it's fear if the police say that because

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Speaker 2: they not only brought in the serious fraud offers to

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Speaker 2: review their investigation into it, they also broad in the

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Speaker 2: Public Service Commission and they say there's not enough evidence.

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Speaker 2: Now you'll remember a lot of people that worked at

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Speaker 2: the Morai said that information was being handed over. They

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Speaker 2: were looking at corruption charges possibly being laid, but they

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Speaker 2: said the evidence is not there. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: there was nothing to answer for.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks very much, Verry sober Chief seeing up a

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Speaker 1: little correspondent.

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