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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great, New Zealand? And welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler podcast afternoon show. That's not what it's called.

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Speaker 2: It's called Matt and Tyler Afternoons on zb Full show

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Speaker 2: podcastnawed it number one oh seven for Friday the eleventh April.

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Speaker 2: Really really enjoyed the show today, so I hope you

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Speaker 2: do too as well. Things got pretty salacious around the

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Speaker 2: school boards, hotbeds for affairs. It turns out pretty interesting

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Speaker 2: stuff around sleep as well, and you know you'll find

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Speaker 2: out how to make how to have a happy marriage

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Speaker 2: and a happy relationship.

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Speaker 3: It was a very sixy show. I've got to say here.

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Speaker 2: Involves two bedrooms, yeah basically, and on top of that

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Speaker 2: some heavy, heavy, heavy objectification of men and woman. Hope

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Speaker 2: you enjoy it, download, subscribe and follow if you feel

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Speaker 1: Stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon do you welcome into the show. Great to

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Speaker 3: have your company. As always on a Friday afternoon, get

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Speaker 3: a mess.

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Speaker 2: Get a Tyler, get everyone. Have you got yourself a

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Speaker 2: poppy yet?

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Speaker 3: Tyler, I haven't yet, but I have contributed. I've sent

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Speaker 3: through a donation by the techs number. So that's nice.

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Speaker 3: That's three bucks straight to the Poppy Day appeal. But

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Speaker 3: you have you picked up a couple outside of Bunnings?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And it's look, I got a compliment

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Speaker 2: for how much I paid for them because the guy says,

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Speaker 2: how much you want to pay for these three poppies? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I said I'm not going to say how much

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Speaker 2: and he said very generous of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice. So a couple of hundred bucks at the least.

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Speaker 3: Surely nowadays Poppy Day today and if you want to

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Speaker 3: us send a three dollar donation via ticks. That number

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Speaker 3: is eight five nine five. But you'll see the clickers

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Speaker 3: out and about today and over the next week before

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Speaker 3: end day.

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Speaker 2: You've got to get a poppy. So what was that

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Speaker 2: number again, Tyler?

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Speaker 3: Eight five nine five. If you ticked poppy to that number,

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Speaker 3: that will instantly donate three dollars to a very very

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Speaker 3: worthy cause.

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Speaker 2: Eight five, nine five, I'll do it right now.

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Speaker 3: Yep, do multiple Timesfortunately I can't multitask, so I'll sort

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Speaker 3: of be zoned out for a bit. Well, why you

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Speaker 3: do that? I will have a chat about what's coming up,

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Speaker 3: very fine and poppy poppy. You don't have to have

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Speaker 3: a capital P poppy, so po.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pp white, pep white.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then flip that through and bo I've got three

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Speaker 3: And you feel good doing that? Right on to today's

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Speaker 3: show after three o'clock, as we always do on a Friday,

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Speaker 3: New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So who do you want to see is New

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Speaker 2: Zealand of the Week? The panel is still out, the

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Speaker 2: judging panels, so they are open to suggestion, and by

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Speaker 2: they I mean me nine nine two is the number

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we'll also have you chat about sleep on

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Speaker 3: the back of a article in the Herald, eight ways

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Speaker 3: something that most of us need to do on a

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Speaker 3: are you prioritizing your sleep? That is after three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: after two o'clock. We want to talk about Robert Irwin.

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Speaker 3: He has done quite a sixy photoshoot.

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Speaker 2: That's right. It's got a shirt off, you know, Robert.

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Speaker 2: He's the son of Steve Irwin. He's in great shape,

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Speaker 2: he's taken a shirt off, he's got a python around

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Speaker 2: What do you think about that? Should we should we

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Speaker 2: If we've decided in society that we don't say those

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Speaker 3: Yep, that that is going to be a good.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't want to get objectified, I'd say, don't

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Speaker 3: about school board. So the Education Minister, Erica Stamford, is

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Speaker 3: looking to sit and stone what a school's ultimate goal

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Speaker 3: should be. Erica Stamford is introducing this bill requiring boards

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Speaker 3: to have attendance management plans. It includes mending school board

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Speaker 3: objectives to make educational achievement the ultimate goal. Here's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of what she said to my classk in

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Speaker 6: Schools are all self managing entities, and the boards are

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Speaker 6: the ones who have the power and the control. And

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Speaker 6: it depends on board.

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Speaker 7: You have some boards who do.

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Speaker 6: An excellent job, who make sure that schools are assessing

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Speaker 6: their children. They get copies of that assessment. They make

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Speaker 6: sure that their schools are on track. I mean, I've

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Speaker 6: seen some excellent strategic plans and excellent annual reports where

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Speaker 6: schools are tracking student achievement very well. Other schools just

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Speaker 6: don't have the quality of people who are putting themselves

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Speaker 6: forward for the boards. Who don't do has got a job.

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Speaker 6: So what we will try to do, I think, in future,

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Speaker 6: is try and get some standardization across board so that

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Speaker 6: they are looking at the same things and reporting on

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Speaker 6: the same things in the same way, because at the moment,

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Speaker 6: schools all report on completely different things in different ways.

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Speaker 3: So that makes a lot of sense, right, standardizing how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to admit when I heard that morning

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Speaker 2: And I've had two sons that have gone through three schools,

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Speaker 2: and at no point have I ever run my head

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Speaker 2: you look at the power that they have, policies and procedures,

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Speaker 2: planning for the future, employing school staff, complying with the law,

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Speaker 2: managing budgets, they do a lot and they have a

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Speaker 2: lot of power as school board, and they are varied,

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Speaker 2: obviously depending on the members. You can get on your board.

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Speaker 2: The quality of the school boards. So I don't know,

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Speaker 2: how can someone like me go right through the school

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Speaker 2: the school board? Is that the experience of a lot

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Speaker 2: of people. I think I saw some emails saying do

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Speaker 3: And did you?

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Speaker 2: I ignored them, Yep, yep. And look, I wasn't a checked

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Speaker 2: out member of school. I coached sports teams, you know,

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Speaker 2: I helped out at fears, I did all kinds.

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Speaker 3: So you were involved in the school community extent. But

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Speaker 3: I mean that raises the wider question to those out

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Speaker 3: a school board, what is it like? How many hours

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Speaker 3: you have to put into it? Do you get paid?

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Speaker 3: And I believe they are responsible for employing the principal.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, and they employ employing all staff, all school staff.

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Speaker 2: The board and who's on the school board. Community representatives

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Speaker 2: are elected by parents, a staff elected representative, the principals

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Speaker 2: on there are a student represented if the school has

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Speaker 2: students in year nine and above, representatives of the school's owners.

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Speaker 2: If the board is for a state integrated school, So

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Speaker 2: good good boards, bad boards? Your experiences with boards? Are

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Speaker 2: you on a school board? What are the challenges and

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Speaker 2: how do you think about the standardizing of school boards

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Speaker 2: that is being put through by National YEP.

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Speaker 3: And how many times say the word board? Ohene hundred?

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Speaker 2: Are you getting bored with? How many times I say bored?

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Speaker 3: Ohen? One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call if you've been involved or up against a unruly

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Speaker 3: school board. I love to hear from you. It is

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Speaker 3: thirteen past one.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon sixteen pass one of the Minister of Education,

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Speaker 3: Ericus Stanford is introducing a build to standardize how board

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Speaker 3: of trustees within schools operate. Seems like a lot of sense,

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Speaker 3: but we've asked the question or your experience of being

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Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Fraser, you twelve had twelve years on a board, twelve.

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Speaker 9: That's the person at my two boys at the primary

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Speaker 9: It's just good fun in a community orientated school. I

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Speaker 9: don't recall ever getting paid for it, but this is

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Speaker 9: in the late nineties, early two thousands, and just developing

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Speaker 9: you know. We we we fundraised and put a big

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Speaker 9: of the school about the school and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Phrase you said, you said, you said that you grew,

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Speaker 2: that the role grew. Was that one of your you know,

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Speaker 2: goals as the board, did you work your big objective

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Speaker 2: was to grow the role? And how did you go

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Speaker 9: It was it was, it was all. It was really

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Speaker 9: the chemistry of the teachers and said, we put a

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Speaker 9: big we put a big ben of playground together with

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Speaker 9: the local with the local body, and and it just

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Speaker 9: I mean, we had the space for it. So there

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Speaker 9: and then we had this big adventure playground and there

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Speaker 9: was just space for kids to be kids at school.

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Speaker 9: And we with the meetings were all about you know,

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Speaker 9: It was a progressive thing.

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Speaker 3: So Phraser, did you did you get paid for that

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Speaker 7: Too?

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't recall ever getting paid for it. I

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Speaker 10: Right And and but that's I mean, we're talking twenty

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Speaker 10: I mean, I ate in this tweety eight now, and

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Speaker 9: Seventeen years ago. It's a long time when you get

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Speaker 2: Ye ye, Hey, what was the quality of the because

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Speaker 2: You have good and bad ones.

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Speaker 9: Really really good.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know that.

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Speaker 9: Your lady, he took over from me. She continued with

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Speaker 9: And I mean it was, I mean, the big the

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Speaker 9: the school that I.

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Speaker 5: Went to as a kid as well went there as well.

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Speaker 2: That's community, you.

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Speaker 9: Know, it was always it was always there was always

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Speaker 11: Work or whatever.

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Speaker 9: What was happening in school with things that my sister

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Speaker 9: certainly one of the highlights of them. And the kids good,

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Speaker 9: the kids just be kids. That the city kids could

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Speaker 9: get dirty, you know what I mean? You know they would,

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Speaker 9: they would you know they play at a sand pedal

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Speaker 9: and that's sort of thing. But they could also and

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Speaker 4: That's sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Whereabouts was the school? Fraser? Whereabouts is it?

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Speaker 9: So it was? It was the Makro Model School which

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, good, thanks for sharing. Board members. And is

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Speaker 2: your time. What does that mean.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the ministry. Isn't it a.

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Speaker 2: Ministry of education? And said you could say Tyler that

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Speaker 2: that Matt and Tyler afternoons. It's not a paid position

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Speaker 2: for you, but you get compensation for your.

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Speaker 3: Time and thank god to that. Eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. Love to hear your experiences of

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Speaker 3: a little bit unruly, it wasn't working right, we'd love

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Speaker 2: Well, here Go has a text on that. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: reboards of trustees. I've been a teacher in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: for over thirty years. Board members, kids get preferential treatment,

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Speaker 2: They help their principal bully staff, even when there is

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Speaker 2: they think they're better than other parents. They think they're

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Speaker 2: better than the rest of us. That's from Jan.

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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, quite a bit of trauma with a school board.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, Jan, thank you very much. Joe eight

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number call.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty two past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 12: Asia business correspond to Peter Lewis Withers, but one forty

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Speaker 12: five for China? Is that a completely separate thing? That

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Speaker 12: is China.

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Speaker 2: We're all in this toge.

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Speaker 13: I think in some ways we're all in this together

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Speaker 13: because what happens to the Chinese economy perfects the rest

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Speaker 13: of Asia. About fifteen percent of China's economy depends upon exports.

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Speaker 13: this could easily shave off a couple of percent off

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Speaker 12: Hawseback Monday from six am the mic Asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 12: Maybe's real Estate Newstalk zeb.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, we're talking about school boards on the back of

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Speaker 3: the Education Minister. She wants to see some changes implemented

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Speaker 3: with standardization across how those boards operate. Text tiar guys.

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Speaker 3: I once served on a school board and it was

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Speaker 3: incredibly difficult experience. There were personal relationships involved, including family members,

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Speaker 3: replaced with individuals who genuinely have the skills and vision

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Speaker 3: to move our school board. Rather than settling for whoether

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this business is I get about four hundred a

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Speaker 2: travel expenses, babysitters, et cetera for each meeting. It seems

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Speaker 2: lot of people texting through so they have a fantastic

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Speaker 2: This text seems kind of snooty and kind of what

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Speaker 2: you say, what do you think of this text that

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Speaker 2: came through school boards are just a way for rich parents,

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Speaker 2: rich popular parents to lud themselves above everyone else in

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Speaker 3: Oh that is there's some history there.

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty our school boards

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Speaker 3: Elitist mark. How are you so good?

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Speaker 14: Thanks?

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Speaker 3: Now, you were a former principal and you served on

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 15: And so as a representative?

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Speaker 3: Okay, And what was your experience like on the board?

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Speaker 3: Was there any scale, Dougrey, was there any interpersonal relationships

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Speaker 14: Work there can be the biggest problem, and the education

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Speaker 14: ministers doing exactly the right thing. Is if you don't

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Speaker 14: have it clear why you're there as a school, then

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Speaker 14: then all sorts of social dynamic issues will come in.

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Speaker 14: Let me give you an example of someone you've just

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Speaker 14: so they should actually be excused from that meeting while

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Speaker 2: We're getting a lot of people coming through Mark that

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Speaker 2: So that was preferential treatment to the children of people

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Speaker 14: And parents will always feel that if their child gets

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Speaker 3: Speaking absolutely on the.

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Speaker 14: Phone, well, it's the problem of the police officer who

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Speaker 3: Was there any rules in place Mark that you had

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Speaker 14: Yes, and the biggest task that a principle has is

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Speaker 14: And I was the right board members in place. It's

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Speaker 3: What was that? Sorry, just on that and I didn't

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Speaker 3: ask that with much clarity, But what was the split

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Speaker 1: At the school?

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Speaker 14: A probably sefty seventy right, Okay, I don't have the

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Speaker 2: I can I can tell you. Yeah, there's a helpful

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Speaker 3: And what we find that, I mean, the reason I'm

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Speaker 14: Well, if I can, the most misunderstood thing is why

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Speaker 5: What's what?

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Speaker 14: And the education mister is clarifying this, I hope. And

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Speaker 14: Once you've sorted out why you're there, then all these

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what Erica Stanford is saying,

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Speaker 2: I might do. Actually she's a bit of amim so

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Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about? That so every board

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Speaker 14: Every board you should know, I would maintain their problem

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Speaker 14: we don't and otherwise and then be data and forked

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Speaker 2: So you know, we're just talking to a caller before

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Speaker 14: Yes and no. It depends whether we're sorry about that one.

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Speaker 14: It depends what you can do with your playground. It's

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Speaker 14: the five year old kids. We'd always have an outdoor

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Speaker 14: fireplace and they would cook marshmallows over it. We'd teach

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Speaker 14: them to light a fire using flints and things like that.

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Speaker 14: It was a great learning experience.

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Speaker 2: That's very cool. Thank you so much for your call. Mark.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have headlines coming up, but O one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty teen eighty is the number to call. Love

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Speaker 3: to hear your experiences on the school board and also

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Speaker 3: just to follow up question because we're around our time

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Speaker 3: for mat But the PTA, how does that dovetail into

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Speaker 3: the board of trustees. Loved to know if you've been

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Speaker 3: part of the PTA, it is twenty seventy to.

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Speaker 2: The half of VALPTA.

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Speaker 16: Jus talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis, it's

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Speaker 16: no trouble with a Blue bubble. Cocaine stashed and a

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Speaker 16: passport has landed in New Zealander behind bars in Thailand.

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Speaker 16: Thai authorities allege a twenty four year old was trying

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Speaker 16: to smuggle a small bag of the drug into the country.

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Speaker 16: New Zealand officials are providing assistance. A National Party MP

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Speaker 16: claims most members told the Prime Minister they were against

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Speaker 16: the Treaty Principal's Bill. Banks Peninsula MP Vanessa Weenink says

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Speaker 16: they never hid the fact they were against the bill

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Speaker 16: being in the coalition agreement. Police have arrested a thirty

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Speaker 16: year old man accused of trying to break into a

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Speaker 16: police station in the eastern Bay of Plenty. This morning,

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Speaker 16: someone tried to gain entry to the Cowedo station just

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Speaker 16: before three am, smashing windows and attempting to smash a

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Speaker 16: glass door before driving off. A chile autumnal start to

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Speaker 16: the school holidays. Two highs are bringing settled weather alongside

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Speaker 16: a different temperature and met service say, Wellington's going to

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Speaker 16: be a little for the Crusaders Hurricanes rugby match tonight.

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Speaker 16: Greg Or Paul on how the All Blacks captaincy is

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Speaker 16: a heavy burden on Scott Barrett. See the full column

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Speaker 16: at n zed Herald Premium. Back maw to matt Eth

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Speaker 16: and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan. And we're talking about boards

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Speaker 3: of trustees school boards on the back of the Education Minister.

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Speaker 3: She is introducing a bill to standardize what they should

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Speaker 3: be sitting out to achieve, which is student excellence in

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Speaker 3: terms of the education.

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Speaker 2: And Peter texts, gentlemen, I'm staggered that the educationalist has

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Speaker 2: to remind anyone the reason for existence of schools. That's

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Speaker 2: from Peter. This Texas's typical nets pushing responsibility onto unpaid volunteers.

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Speaker 2: Boards can be criminally how to account. Look at the

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Speaker 2: Fungarai High School situation. There are Before we were talking

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Speaker 2: about who's on a board, there are three types of

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Speaker 2: representative members who are elected onto the board. These representative

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Speaker 2: board members elected by the parent community, staff members, and

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Speaker 2: in the case of schools with students above year nine,

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Speaker 2: the students. There are also other types of board members,

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Speaker 2: including the principal, co opted and apported board members are

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Speaker 2: student boards. Membership includes parent elected or selected representatives. That's

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Speaker 2: usually five the principal of the school, one staff elected representative,

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Speaker 2: one student elective representative. This is in schools with students

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Speaker 2: above year nine state integrated schools. Four board members appointed

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Speaker 2: by the proprietor. The board can co opt additional people

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Speaker 2: onto the board for gender, skill, or ethnic balance, and

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Speaker 2: the Minister of Education can appoint an additional board member.

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Speaker 2: That's the rules as they stand now. Right.

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Speaker 3: Very good, Steve, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 17: Thanks?

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Speaker 3: And you were a chair on a board for six years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw I wasn't going to do it, but

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Speaker 5: then the offortunity came up and so put the name forward.

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Speaker 5: I guess what I'd say, first of all, is Eric

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Speaker 5: of St. Stanford is a really smart lady. What she's doing.

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Speaker 5: I actually my wife's detect and she had an opportunity

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Speaker 5: to go along and listened to her, and I sent

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Speaker 5: her along and she came back just buzzing. I think

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Speaker 5: she's got the right idea with what they're looking to do.

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Speaker 5: The difficulty is it's a bit like the MPs we

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Speaker 5: saw in Parliament yesterday and the people that go on

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Speaker 5: the council. Anybody could really put their name for it,

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Speaker 5: and if they get voted on, they're voted on. So

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Speaker 5: I guess the quality of the candidates is really important.

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Speaker 5: So whether the principal's going out into the community are

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Speaker 5: looking for opportunities to get people on with sort of

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Speaker 5: skill sets are going to benefit the school.

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Speaker 2: That was really the.

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Speaker 14: Case with us.

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Speaker 5: We had an HR and family lawyer, we had a

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Speaker 5: business owner, we had a banker, and we had an accountant.

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Speaker 5: And our prime purpose and as the chair, was how

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Speaker 5: can we make school benefit everyka And if you have

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Speaker 5: that single in front of you, our job was to

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Speaker 5: manage the school finances and planning and strategic plans and

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Speaker 5: you know, recruitment of quality teachers and then the teaching

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Speaker 5: side it's really over to the specialists who are the principals, DPS,

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Speaker 5: team leaders and the stuff. And that was the basis

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Speaker 5: on which we operated. We had disagreements on things at times,

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Speaker 5: but I guess as a chair my job was then

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Speaker 5: to make sure that we got to a consensus decision

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Speaker 5: for the better of the kids.

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Speaker 2: So, Steve, when you say make things better for every

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Speaker 2: kid in the school, is that educational achievement that you're

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Speaker 2: talking about is better?

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Speaker 8: Primarily?

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Speaker 2: Erkri Stanford said that educational achievement should be the ultimate

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Speaker 2: goal of the board.

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Speaker 5: Hotally, and the educational achievement doesn't mean everybody getting to

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Speaker 5: one standard. That means your kids that are struggling, what

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Speaker 5: can we do to make their time at school better

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Speaker 5: so they can come out with something that's going to

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Speaker 5: take them into their life. And then you have your

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Speaker 5: really bright kids who are obviously more capable. It's about

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Speaker 5: trying to touch every child, give them the best opportunity,

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Speaker 5: and if some of them need more resources and more time,

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Speaker 5: then that's what we did. In fact, what we did

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Speaker 5: is we we managed to save enough money that we

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Speaker 5: employed an extra teacher to give release so that the

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Speaker 5: kids who are struggling, had more time one on one

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Speaker 5: or on lower numbers to try and a system. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's you're always you know these stories about affairs and

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Speaker 5: families and people wanting good influence. I mean, boy, I'm

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Speaker 5: obviously missed out on their board because we.

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Speaker 2: Had none of that.

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Speaker 3: But make it good soap drama, wouldn't that.

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Speaker 5: It does come down to people's attitudes and if people

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Speaker 5: think it's a status symbol, then they're probably not doing

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Speaker 5: it for the right reasons. And it's very hard to control.

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Speaker 5: Like I'm saying, people can put their name for it,

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Speaker 5: but the parents do vote.

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Speaker 2: So when it when it comes to the election, Steve,

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Speaker 2: do you do people run campaigns or is it just

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Speaker 2: just suit out there in an email.

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Speaker 5: All that I worked at in the number around the area.

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Speaker 5: You basically just a little by on yourself about your

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Speaker 5: background and then why you wanted to go on the board.

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Speaker 5: So what were you what was the purpose of you

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Speaker 5: going on? What you're trying to achieve by being a

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Speaker 5: board members?

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Speaker 2: So we're to be frowned upon if someone's door knocking

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Speaker 2: or individually emailing appearance and on a.

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Speaker 5: Car, that's to me, that's just going way too far.

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Speaker 2: Away.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you walk into a primary school, we're

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Speaker 5: dealing with five to eleven year olds. These are the

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Speaker 5: are the future of the world. They're not tainted by anything.

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Speaker 5: They don't know what racism means, that what, you know,

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Speaker 5: all these negative things that we have as adults in

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Speaker 5: the world. So we've got to keep their eyes bright

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Speaker 5: and and that's who we were representing. And that was

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Speaker 5: the thing that I came back to all the time

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Speaker 5: when we're making decisions. Is it the right thing to

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Speaker 5: do for the kids?

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Speaker 2: Just for me?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just in terms of getting the best candidates you can.

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Speaker 3: Would money help that along, Steve, because that is always

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Speaker 3: the argument local body right and central government and any

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Speaker 3: role where you want the best of the best. Their

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Speaker 3: remuneration is a big part of it. Would that help

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Speaker 3: it all getting good people on school boards?

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Speaker 5: I'm not so sure. I got seventy five dollars as

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Speaker 5: chairman a meeting and the others got fifty, and that

596
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Speaker 5: was just an allowance to cover your time. The chairman

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Speaker 5: does the most work, you know, I guess I was

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Speaker 5: passionate about it as well. But the cha chairmen works

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Speaker 5: directly with the principle, and I'm not so sure, because

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Speaker 5: then you might get people doing it for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 2: People are doing it for money, that might be that

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Speaker 2: make it a weird, a little bit tainted.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's not what volunteers do. Volunteers out of

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Speaker 5: the goodness of their heart want to help make something better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And did you ever have trouble getting enough volunteers,

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Speaker 2: enough people that are willing to do it for basically

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Speaker 2: no money, just you know, a couple of expenses. Thinkers

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Speaker 2: covered it not on.

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Speaker 5: Our board because I guess we when we had people

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Speaker 5: leaving the board, we went and tried to sort of

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Speaker 5: identify people we thought would be and that wasn't friends

612
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Speaker 5: or it was just what to get we've got on

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Speaker 5: the board in terms of knowledge, and we may create

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Speaker 5: a great relationship. You talking about the Parent Teachers Association

615
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Speaker 5: that were the home and schools. They can be in

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Speaker 5: issues that they are a much more political group from

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Speaker 5: my experience. But what we did is we just co

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Speaker 5: opted the chairman of that group onto our board. So

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Speaker 5: we shared lots of stuff at a high level with them,

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Speaker 5: which they kept confidential, but it kept them in the

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Speaker 5: loop because they were the fundraising and the drive to

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Speaker 5: get you know if you want the new playground or whatever.

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Speaker 5: They were the people that were generating the money, and

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Speaker 5: it made them feel part of the bigger picture, so

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Speaker 5: we didn't have so much animosity between the two organizations.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for you call, Steve. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Here's a text I want to be on a school

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be on the school board for my

629
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Speaker 2: kids who are accused of bullying, which they weren't the kid.

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Speaker 2: They had made it up. It didn't get on the

631
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Speaker 2: board because the principle made up lies turn parents against me.

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Speaker 2: School Boards are corrupt.

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Speaker 3: Well great fixed.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stories.

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Speaker 3: It has a lot of scandal behind the old school board. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: It is sixteen to two.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

639
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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

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Speaker 3: Talks that'd be thirteen to two.

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Speaker 2: A lot of techs coming through on school boards boards. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 2: love your show. As a former school principal, I have

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Speaker 2: many stories to tell about boards of trustees, stories that

644
00:32:38,653 --> 00:32:41,533
Speaker 2: should never be told. But he's about to tell one.

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Speaker 2: I do remember one meeting. We were halfway through the

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Speaker 2: meeting when the board chairman called the holts of the

647
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Speaker 2: meeting and said they needed to have a break outside.

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Speaker 2: One of the female board members went outside too. The

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Speaker 2: rest of us sat there as time went on. Finally

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Speaker 2: we went outside to see where they were. They were

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Speaker 2: now to be seen, so we called an end to

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Speaker 2: the meeting. Need us to say later that week two

653
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Speaker 2: marriages ended and the chairperson and the lady board member

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Speaker 2: went off together. Wow, big smile from Jason, Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much. They are hotbeds. Sixteen years on a school

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Speaker 2: board twelve is cheer. Got paid forty dollars monthly a

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Speaker 2: meeting which included subcommittee meetings and all works some weeks

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Speaker 2: doing twenty hours or more per week, appointed four principles

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Speaker 2: in that time and got to work with some amazingly

660
00:33:25,893 --> 00:33:29,213
Speaker 2: high profile for people who were also Board of trustee members.

661
00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:32,653
Speaker 2: Had to navigate issues with when finance officer stole more

662
00:33:32,693 --> 00:33:35,053
Speaker 2: than one hundred and forty thousand dollars from the school

663
00:33:35,053 --> 00:33:38,133
Speaker 2: and was imprisoned. Really lucky to have a unified board

664
00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:40,813
Speaker 2: and community only wanting the best for the school. Great

665
00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:44,413
Speaker 2: to have a lawyer and accountant involved with their professional skills.

666
00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:47,133
Speaker 3: One hundred and embezzled.

667
00:33:47,253 --> 00:33:50,293
Speaker 2: There are so many stories coming through about school boards.

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00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:56,573
Speaker 2: Kevin Well, welcome to the show your car.

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Speaker 18: I've four been twenty four years on the current board

670
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,493
Speaker 18: and I was in a high school for about seven

671
00:34:03,533 --> 00:34:05,933
Speaker 18: at the same time, and was also on the menu.

672
00:34:05,933 --> 00:34:11,212
Speaker 18: Were in the Hearts and Initiative, which was representing the

673
00:34:11,293 --> 00:34:14,493
Speaker 18: board members of just AUB all the schools in the area.

674
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Speaker 3: And you've loved it, You've loved you on the board.

675
00:34:19,053 --> 00:34:22,212
Speaker 18: I love it and I'm currently enter my six six

676
00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:26,133
Speaker 18: year as board chair. And I was board chair in

677
00:34:26,213 --> 00:34:28,653
Speaker 18: the a few years ago as well.

678
00:34:29,533 --> 00:34:31,172
Speaker 3: And how did it go as chair? Did you run

679
00:34:31,173 --> 00:34:33,652
Speaker 3: into any r G bargie with some of the other

680
00:34:33,693 --> 00:34:34,253
Speaker 3: board members?

681
00:34:35,693 --> 00:34:39,573
Speaker 18: No, not really, nothing like some of these other schools

682
00:34:39,573 --> 00:34:42,573
Speaker 18: of that you know, you've entered me watch over as

683
00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:46,933
Speaker 18: governance and you've got a principle in their senior management

684
00:34:46,973 --> 00:34:50,293
Speaker 18: and the staff that are going to provide the curriculum

685
00:34:50,413 --> 00:34:55,093
Speaker 18: that's needed. And No, we just discussed what we need

686
00:34:55,093 --> 00:35:00,853
Speaker 18: to discuss and make the right decisions and try and

687
00:35:01,013 --> 00:35:03,533
Speaker 18: like the others have tried to do and treace to

688
00:35:03,653 --> 00:35:07,693
Speaker 18: how many kids are come into school and attend that

689
00:35:07,933 --> 00:35:08,893
Speaker 18: all that other stuff.

690
00:35:09,053 --> 00:35:11,013
Speaker 2: Kevin, if you had kids at the school the whole

691
00:35:11,013 --> 00:35:12,453
Speaker 2: time you've been on the board.

692
00:35:13,813 --> 00:35:15,853
Speaker 18: My two girls went to the school.

693
00:35:16,053 --> 00:35:16,292
Speaker 2: Yep.

694
00:35:16,453 --> 00:35:20,133
Speaker 18: My wife started work there before the girls started, and

695
00:35:20,173 --> 00:35:23,573
Speaker 18: she's still there after twenty eight years, and both my

696
00:35:23,693 --> 00:35:27,772
Speaker 18: girls are now back at the school. Ones a school teachers, Wow.

697
00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:29,973
Speaker 18: The other ones a DP.

698
00:35:30,413 --> 00:35:35,853
Speaker 2: That's awesome, Wow, A family affair at the school. Is

699
00:35:35,893 --> 00:35:37,493
Speaker 2: this a rural school, Kevin.

700
00:35:38,293 --> 00:35:42,853
Speaker 18: No, it's a school and menu are a It's just

701
00:35:42,853 --> 00:35:46,652
Speaker 18: just fact that it's always done that right, the right

702
00:35:46,733 --> 00:35:49,613
Speaker 18: things by our family and the way our girls have

703
00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:54,453
Speaker 18: been educated and got degrees and all that, and that's

704
00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:55,293
Speaker 18: where it all started.

705
00:35:55,693 --> 00:35:58,053
Speaker 2: All good on you, Kevin. A lot of techs coming

706
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:00,613
Speaker 2: through my wife as a teacher at intermediate school. The

707
00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:03,573
Speaker 2: stories I've heard about the board of trustees influencing decisions

708
00:36:03,573 --> 00:36:07,453
Speaker 2: and being responsible for hiring and firing staff based on

709
00:36:07,613 --> 00:36:11,413
Speaker 2: their race base and political ideologies is nothing short of

710
00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:15,013
Speaker 2: shocking when their focus should be on the fact that

711
00:36:15,093 --> 00:36:19,373
Speaker 2: the best, when their focus should be in fact on

712
00:36:20,053 --> 00:36:23,093
Speaker 2: the best for the children's learning instead, is that texture

713
00:36:23,533 --> 00:36:26,893
Speaker 2: Apparently a few conspiracy theorists, etc. On school boards trying

714
00:36:26,933 --> 00:36:31,053
Speaker 2: to direct the way things go this Texas. Is anyone

715
00:36:31,093 --> 00:36:34,413
Speaker 2: that joins a board or pta for their child is

716
00:36:34,413 --> 00:36:37,652
Speaker 2: there for the wrong reasons. That's an interesting one. There's

717
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:40,173
Speaker 2: a text here from John I know that what that

718
00:36:40,253 --> 00:36:42,652
Speaker 2: guy means about politics on school boards. I tried to

719
00:36:42,693 --> 00:36:44,933
Speaker 2: get on our local school board as I live right

720
00:36:44,973 --> 00:36:47,453
Speaker 2: next to the school. But the excuse given was I

721
00:36:47,493 --> 00:36:49,853
Speaker 2: didn't have a vested interest because I didn't have any

722
00:36:49,933 --> 00:36:52,013
Speaker 2: kids at the school. But I live right next door,

723
00:36:52,213 --> 00:36:54,293
Speaker 2: I am part of the local community. And also there

724
00:36:54,293 --> 00:36:55,893
Speaker 2: was a lawyer and an accountant who are on the

725
00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:58,413
Speaker 2: board and they didn't have kids on the school board

726
00:36:58,893 --> 00:37:00,773
Speaker 2: at the school either. But it was okay for them,

727
00:37:00,813 --> 00:37:02,533
Speaker 2: but not for me. I mean, do you really want

728
00:37:02,573 --> 00:37:04,533
Speaker 2: the person that lives right next to the school on

729
00:37:04,573 --> 00:37:08,253
Speaker 2: the board just complaining about every tennis.

730
00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:12,573
Speaker 3: Boardly, what a nightmare. And this one from Marca get guys.

731
00:37:12,613 --> 00:37:14,653
Speaker 3: I was on board for twenty years over three schools

732
00:37:14,653 --> 00:37:18,293
Speaker 3: as an old boy representative ex farmer. The young professionals

733
00:37:18,293 --> 00:37:20,893
Speaker 3: came in pushing their kids to be prefects, et cetera.

734
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:23,213
Speaker 3: And when they finished university it's all on their CV.

735
00:37:23,293 --> 00:37:27,973
Speaker 3: It was absolute byes private school in Hawk's Bay. Never again.

736
00:37:28,053 --> 00:37:31,253
Speaker 3: It is a little bit corrupt. It is eight minutes to.

737
00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:36,933
Speaker 1: Do Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight

738
00:37:37,013 --> 00:37:39,413
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

739
00:37:39,453 --> 00:37:41,373
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

740
00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:43,373
Speaker 3: Envy is five to two two.

741
00:37:44,373 --> 00:37:45,653
Speaker 2: I was just at the rest of the text that

742
00:37:45,693 --> 00:37:48,013
Speaker 2: I started reading before. Anyone that joins the board or

743
00:37:48,013 --> 00:37:50,053
Speaker 2: PTA for their child is there for the wrong reasons.

744
00:37:50,093 --> 00:37:51,933
Speaker 2: I spent twenty eight years on ptas and boards and

745
00:37:51,973 --> 00:37:54,693
Speaker 2: all roles, including quite a few as chairmen, always asked

746
00:37:54,693 --> 00:37:57,613
Speaker 2: to join, never trying to get on, and the single

747
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:01,252
Speaker 2: biggest issue every single time was parents who believed their

748
00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:04,733
Speaker 2: child was more important than the other kids. Many times

749
00:38:04,773 --> 00:38:07,133
Speaker 2: made decisions that weren't the best for my children, but

750
00:38:07,213 --> 00:38:10,133
Speaker 2: were the best for the school as a whole. I mean,

751
00:38:10,133 --> 00:38:12,493
Speaker 2: that's like when you're the coach of the cricket team

752
00:38:12,573 --> 00:38:15,973
Speaker 2: and you're umpiring and your son gets a plumb LBW

753
00:38:16,173 --> 00:38:17,652
Speaker 2: on the back foot right in front of little stuff.

754
00:38:17,653 --> 00:38:19,373
Speaker 3: We've all seen it, some people have done it.

755
00:38:19,533 --> 00:38:22,533
Speaker 2: You don't put your finger up, No, It's impossible for

756
00:38:22,613 --> 00:38:26,172
Speaker 2: a kid to get an LBW when dad's dad's.

757
00:38:25,893 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 3: Umpiring as it should be this one quickly. All boards

758
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:31,693
Speaker 3: sign a conflict of interest register and that is the

759
00:38:31,733 --> 00:38:34,053
Speaker 3: biggest thing to avoid in governance. School Boards are the

760
00:38:34,093 --> 00:38:35,692
Speaker 3: biggest conflict of interest out there.

761
00:38:36,053 --> 00:38:38,493
Speaker 2: And finally, I haven't been on a school board, but

762
00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,493
Speaker 2: it was on a surfboard for a while but didn't

763
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:43,733
Speaker 2: work out. I fell off, So there you go. But

764
00:38:43,813 --> 00:38:46,213
Speaker 2: I know, I think most people surely would agree that

765
00:38:46,213 --> 00:38:50,293
Speaker 2: school board's objectives are to make educational achievement the ultimate goal.

766
00:38:51,133 --> 00:38:53,533
Speaker 2: So that's what Erica Stanford is pushing for.

767
00:38:53,653 --> 00:38:57,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, great discussion, thank you very much. Right after two o'clock,

768
00:38:57,573 --> 00:39:00,493
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about Robert Irwin, a radio presenter

769
00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:03,413
Speaker 3: in Australia, is lashed out as some woman for being

770
00:39:03,533 --> 00:39:07,653
Speaker 3: hypocrites over their reaction to rob Erwin's sexy underwear shoot.

771
00:39:07,813 --> 00:39:09,653
Speaker 3: So the question we want to put to you is

772
00:39:09,653 --> 00:39:11,652
Speaker 3: is there a problem with abject to find men?

773
00:39:12,013 --> 00:39:12,172
Speaker 2: Oh?

774
00:39:12,213 --> 00:39:15,212
Speaker 3: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number of call

775
00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:18,973
Speaker 3: look forward to hearing from you after news, which is

776
00:39:19,053 --> 00:39:19,853
Speaker 3: coming up next.

777
00:39:23,013 --> 00:39:25,973
Speaker 19: Well, this is just a little Peyton place and your

778
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:28,493
Speaker 19: own Harper Valley hypocrits.

779
00:39:30,893 --> 00:39:32,413
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't.

780
00:39:32,053 --> 00:39:35,133
Speaker 19: Put you on because it really dead. It happened just

781
00:39:35,293 --> 00:39:36,732
Speaker 19: this way.

782
00:39:38,733 --> 00:39:40,053
Speaker 1: That day my Mama.

783
00:39:39,893 --> 00:39:47,053
Speaker 19: Sucked in too, the Harper Malli Pty, the day my

784
00:39:47,213 --> 00:39:50,733
Speaker 19: Mama sucked in too, the Harper Melli pt.

785
00:39:57,293 --> 00:40:00,613
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Tyler

786
00:40:00,613 --> 00:40:03,213
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons news Talks. It'd be.

787
00:40:04,893 --> 00:40:07,653
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Seven past.

788
00:40:07,653 --> 00:40:10,853
Speaker 3: Too great to have you company as always. Now, just

789
00:40:10,893 --> 00:40:13,933
Speaker 3: a reminder coming up and a little over an hour's time.

790
00:40:13,973 --> 00:40:15,732
Speaker 3: New Zealander of the week.

791
00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:17,772
Speaker 2: Who will it be? Kick your suggestions coming through on

792
00:40:18,053 --> 00:40:23,213
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. We haven't made the final decision.

793
00:40:22,893 --> 00:40:25,973
Speaker 3: Yet, yep, looking forward to that. But right now, let's

794
00:40:25,973 --> 00:40:29,093
Speaker 3: have a chat about objectifying men. This is on the

795
00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:31,773
Speaker 3: back of Robert Irwin. You know him well as the

796
00:40:31,773 --> 00:40:35,732
Speaker 3: son of Steve Irwin, very famous Australian family. He has

797
00:40:35,773 --> 00:40:38,133
Speaker 3: caused a bit of a steer with a very sexy

798
00:40:38,213 --> 00:40:39,853
Speaker 3: photo shoot he did recently.

799
00:40:40,053 --> 00:40:43,053
Speaker 2: That's right in People magazine. He's stripped off for a

800
00:40:43,093 --> 00:40:48,093
Speaker 2: bonds campaign. He's got to shut off with animals around it.

801
00:40:48,173 --> 00:40:49,933
Speaker 2: At one point he's got a python around his neck,

802
00:40:49,973 --> 00:40:53,413
Speaker 2: which has led to a lot of innuendo. Yeah, he's

803
00:40:53,453 --> 00:40:57,533
Speaker 2: happy with it. He said he didn't really think about it.

804
00:40:57,533 --> 00:40:59,293
Speaker 2: He's trying to do different things. He obviously does a

805
00:40:59,293 --> 00:41:01,493
Speaker 2: lot of work on his bod. He's got a better

806
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:05,653
Speaker 2: bod than his dad Steve had, Steve great, great Australian.

807
00:41:05,693 --> 00:41:07,173
Speaker 2: It's got good abs in he Yeah.

808
00:41:06,973 --> 00:41:08,853
Speaker 3: He's only twenty one though. You know you should have

809
00:41:08,893 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 3: some pretty solid abs at twenty one, should you?

810
00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:13,533
Speaker 2: Oh, he's I think he's got a twenty five pair.

811
00:41:14,413 --> 00:41:15,333
Speaker 2: Does they have to be even.

812
00:41:15,213 --> 00:41:15,893
Speaker 3: He's pretty ripped?

813
00:41:16,093 --> 00:41:17,373
Speaker 2: H I think it's I think it has to be

814
00:41:17,493 --> 00:41:20,453
Speaker 2: sex twelve, eighteen or twenty four. It goes all the

815
00:41:20,493 --> 00:41:24,813
Speaker 2: way up. Yeah, no's he's in fantastic shape. What's Bindy

816
00:41:24,893 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 2: up to at the moment? Last time I heard from Bindy?

817
00:41:26,853 --> 00:41:28,693
Speaker 2: This is off topic, but Bindia when she was on

818
00:41:28,853 --> 00:41:31,293
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars and she broke wind during the final.

819
00:41:31,453 --> 00:41:31,973
Speaker 3: That's right.

820
00:41:32,173 --> 00:41:34,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another issue altogether.

821
00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 3: If you know what's happening with Bindy. Two is a

822
00:41:36,893 --> 00:41:40,853
Speaker 3: text number, but so two GB presenter over in Australia.

823
00:41:40,893 --> 00:41:44,293
Speaker 3: Her name is Lucy Azalik, and here's a little bit

824
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,453
Speaker 3: of what she said on the on her radio show.

825
00:41:46,533 --> 00:41:47,333
Speaker 1: The issue that.

826
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Speaker 20: I had with it was. This was the comments that

827
00:41:51,293 --> 00:41:54,813
Speaker 20: ensued thereafter, predominantly of course, from women, and I want

828
00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:56,613
Speaker 20: to read out some of them to and explain to

829
00:41:56,653 --> 00:41:59,053
Speaker 20: you why I have an issue. Here are some of them.

830
00:41:59,053 --> 00:42:01,733
Speaker 20: What a great day to have eyes? I shouldn't like

831
00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:04,053
Speaker 20: what I see right? This one from a woman called Heather.

832
00:42:04,453 --> 00:42:07,253
Speaker 20: What bowler constrictor are we looking at? Another one from

833
00:42:07,253 --> 00:42:10,213
Speaker 20: a woman called Angie. We all watched his dad dangle

834
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:12,493
Speaker 20: him in front of a croc. Now he's dangling his

835
00:42:12,613 --> 00:42:15,693
Speaker 20: snake in front of everyone. Another one from Veronica. I

836
00:42:15,733 --> 00:42:18,533
Speaker 20: would let you put a spider on me, Christy Robert,

837
00:42:18,573 --> 00:42:20,893
Speaker 20: I think I'm now a cougar? Is that a species

838
00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:22,333
Speaker 20: you can handle? Ranza?

839
00:42:22,693 --> 00:42:23,133
Speaker 3: Why not?

840
00:42:23,253 --> 00:42:25,652
Speaker 20: Now I'm ovulating now?

841
00:42:25,933 --> 00:42:26,493
Speaker 2: Yeah.

842
00:42:26,653 --> 00:42:27,613
Speaker 14: The reason why.

843
00:42:27,453 --> 00:42:30,212
Speaker 20: I have a particular issue with these comments is that,

844
00:42:30,293 --> 00:42:33,933
Speaker 20: in this pursuit of so called gender equality, and how

845
00:42:34,573 --> 00:42:38,333
Speaker 20: appalling it is for men to objectify women, Why is

846
00:42:38,373 --> 00:42:43,613
Speaker 20: it okay by today's standards to objectify men if we

847
00:42:43,693 --> 00:42:46,252
Speaker 20: are all in pursuit of gender equality, et cetera? Why

848
00:42:46,253 --> 00:42:50,093
Speaker 20: do the double standards apply here? Why do the way

849
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:53,812
Speaker 20: that we comment about women get criticized, but the way

850
00:42:53,853 --> 00:42:57,893
Speaker 20: that we comment about men get celebrated and accepted.

851
00:42:59,253 --> 00:43:02,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is interesting, So can you objectify me

852
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:04,933
Speaker 2: in eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number.

853
00:43:05,533 --> 00:43:09,293
Speaker 2: I think we don't care. I think Steve Irwin doesn't

854
00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:12,733
Speaker 2: care if he's been objectified. I find those comments funny.

855
00:43:12,933 --> 00:43:14,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, that woman.

856
00:43:14,493 --> 00:43:18,253
Speaker 2: Says, even if it is hypocritical or there's a double standard,

857
00:43:19,213 --> 00:43:21,533
Speaker 2: I think the reason why it exists is because men

858
00:43:21,573 --> 00:43:25,692
Speaker 2: don't care if you objectify them. Objectification is the act

859
00:43:25,693 --> 00:43:27,533
Speaker 2: of treating a person as an object or a thing.

860
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:32,133
Speaker 2: It's part of dehumanization. It's disavouring the inpanity of others.

861
00:43:32,533 --> 00:43:35,493
Speaker 2: And I think when it comes to females, it's considered

862
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,933
Speaker 2: dangerous to normalize objectification because it teaches this is the

863
00:43:40,013 --> 00:43:43,093
Speaker 2: argument teaches men and boys that females are sexual objects

864
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:45,813
Speaker 2: above all else, that woman exists to be looked at

865
00:43:45,853 --> 00:43:48,173
Speaker 2: and consumed and discarded. That's the argument against it.

866
00:43:48,453 --> 00:43:50,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know.

867
00:43:50,533 --> 00:43:52,172
Speaker 2: I think a lot of men would like to be

868
00:43:52,853 --> 00:43:56,213
Speaker 2: looked at, consumed and discarded discarded.

869
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,373
Speaker 3: I don't know about the discarded part. Maybe, I mean,

870
00:43:58,413 --> 00:44:00,533
Speaker 3: I don't know.

871
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:03,773
Speaker 2: I think it is probably hypocritical to say. And there

872
00:44:03,813 --> 00:44:06,133
Speaker 2: was the oscars a couple of years ago where all

873
00:44:06,173 --> 00:44:11,653
Speaker 2: female hosts massively objectified and got the hot guys actors

874
00:44:11,733 --> 00:44:15,213
Speaker 2: up on stage, and that that god was a bit

875
00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:17,013
Speaker 2: of controversy because if it had been around the other

876
00:44:17,053 --> 00:44:21,373
Speaker 2: way it would have been a huge problem. But what

877
00:44:21,373 --> 00:44:22,693
Speaker 2: do you think about this, Tyler, and what do you

878
00:44:22,693 --> 00:44:25,413
Speaker 2: think about this? Everyone else on urned at eighty ten eighty?

879
00:44:26,973 --> 00:44:29,013
Speaker 2: Can you be objectified if you want to be objectified?

880
00:44:29,053 --> 00:44:31,373
Speaker 2: Because Steve Irwin doesn't seem to mind. He doesn't hasn't

881
00:44:31,373 --> 00:44:33,413
Speaker 2: taken his shirt off and put a snake around as

882
00:44:33,653 --> 00:44:36,493
Speaker 2: as neck for bonds.

883
00:44:37,053 --> 00:44:39,172
Speaker 3: He knew what he was doing, not to be objectified.

884
00:44:39,373 --> 00:44:43,013
Speaker 3: He was trying to be seductive to sell some boxers too.

885
00:44:43,293 --> 00:44:43,573
Speaker 2: Yeah.

886
00:44:43,653 --> 00:44:46,212
Speaker 3: In fact, actually, well you know, how does that marketing work?

887
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:48,212
Speaker 3: Does that sell to females? Does that mean to sell

888
00:44:48,253 --> 00:44:50,973
Speaker 3: to fellas? I suppose it, as bonds make stuff for

889
00:44:51,093 --> 00:44:51,772
Speaker 3: women as well.

890
00:44:52,733 --> 00:44:55,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they's a yeah, that's a really good point.

891
00:44:58,053 --> 00:45:00,212
Speaker 2: When Dan Cart was walking around as undies all those

892
00:45:00,293 --> 00:45:03,333
Speaker 2: years ago, was that is it for women to buy

893
00:45:03,373 --> 00:45:03,853
Speaker 2: for their men?

894
00:45:04,053 --> 00:45:04,413
Speaker 18: Ah?

895
00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:06,692
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, that's it. How you're onto it.

896
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:08,613
Speaker 2: I wonder what the percentage of undies are born by

897
00:45:08,653 --> 00:45:11,453
Speaker 2: men for themselves and brought or brought by women for men.

898
00:45:12,213 --> 00:45:14,613
Speaker 2: But which is an interesting point as well, because it's

899
00:45:14,613 --> 00:45:17,453
Speaker 2: a very different thing. If your partner buys you a

900
00:45:17,493 --> 00:45:20,733
Speaker 2: six pack of boxer shorts, right, that for some reason

901
00:45:20,813 --> 00:45:23,293
Speaker 2: is a different statement. Then if as a man you

902
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:28,093
Speaker 2: went out and bought your woman undies for some reason,

903
00:45:28,093 --> 00:45:30,813
Speaker 2: that's a very different thing, especially if you turn up

904
00:45:30,813 --> 00:45:32,812
Speaker 2: with a six pack of Rio something and have the matter.

905
00:45:32,853 --> 00:45:35,213
Speaker 2: She'd be like, no, excuse me anyway.

906
00:45:35,413 --> 00:45:37,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, But if the shoe was on the other foot,

907
00:45:37,253 --> 00:45:40,533
Speaker 3: and say it was Bindy and Bindy was scantily clad

908
00:45:40,573 --> 00:45:42,853
Speaker 3: and trying to shift some underwear and had a snake

909
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:44,853
Speaker 3: around her neck at that.

910
00:45:44,853 --> 00:45:47,212
Speaker 2: Point, a lot of the puns wouldn't work.

911
00:45:47,373 --> 00:45:49,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of the puns wouldn't work. But there

912
00:45:49,933 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 3: would be men who would be clearly objectifying that campaign

913
00:45:54,493 --> 00:45:56,652
Speaker 3: because that's kind is that part and parcel of it,

914
00:45:57,773 --> 00:46:01,053
Speaker 3: Or instantly you're labeled to creep if you do that,

915
00:46:01,173 --> 00:46:03,373
Speaker 3: which I can understand why you would be label to

916
00:46:03,373 --> 00:46:04,053
Speaker 3: creep if you did that.

917
00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:06,813
Speaker 2: Well, Cass says, it's called payback. And they are not

918
00:46:06,893 --> 00:46:09,093
Speaker 2: so sensitive either, and we and they are not so

919
00:46:09,133 --> 00:46:11,692
Speaker 2: centitive as the men. I mean he's putting himself solf

920
00:46:11,773 --> 00:46:15,093
Speaker 2: right out there. Yeah, I mean that's part of it,

921
00:46:15,893 --> 00:46:19,053
Speaker 2: and that the reason why I find it funny is

922
00:46:19,053 --> 00:46:22,013
Speaker 2: because he wouldn't care. No, So you're not there's no

923
00:46:22,053 --> 00:46:23,093
Speaker 2: there's a victimless crime.

924
00:46:23,333 --> 00:46:24,733
Speaker 3: Just go and have a look at that photo if

925
00:46:24,733 --> 00:46:26,733
Speaker 3: you haven't seen it, and the way that he's sitting

926
00:46:26,893 --> 00:46:30,493
Speaker 3: and the way that it's delivered. Clearly he wants to

927
00:46:30,533 --> 00:46:32,293
Speaker 3: be provocative and very seductive.

928
00:46:32,453 --> 00:46:35,053
Speaker 2: But if you flip it around the other way, Tyler,

929
00:46:36,133 --> 00:46:40,293
Speaker 2: and a woman is appearing in bonds undies as you say,

930
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:44,333
Speaker 2: is that they're okay? You know, obviously she's doing that

931
00:46:44,533 --> 00:46:47,933
Speaker 2: for money, and it's a still image and you don't

932
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:50,172
Speaker 2: know anything about her, so she is kind of being

933
00:46:50,173 --> 00:46:54,093
Speaker 2: an object and demonstrating how good the undies look on it.

934
00:46:55,133 --> 00:46:58,613
Speaker 2: Women don't call them undies dear they no, But there's

935
00:46:58,613 --> 00:47:02,333
Speaker 2: a word that people don't like people saying about woman's undies.

936
00:47:02,893 --> 00:47:07,093
Speaker 2: It triggers people. If rod Irvan is comfortable enough to

937
00:47:07,093 --> 00:47:09,653
Speaker 2: put himself out there modeling were then surely he wouldn't

938
00:47:09,693 --> 00:47:12,133
Speaker 2: mind a bit of admiration that's from Ellie. So there

939
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:12,333
Speaker 2: you go.

940
00:47:12,413 --> 00:47:15,333
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Love your thoughts on

941
00:47:15,373 --> 00:47:19,853
Speaker 3: this one. Can men be objectified or is it double standards?

942
00:47:20,213 --> 00:47:21,853
Speaker 3: It is fourteen past two.

943
00:47:22,733 --> 00:47:27,333
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

944
00:47:27,373 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 1: Afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said.

945
00:47:31,213 --> 00:47:31,293
Speaker 7: Be.

946
00:47:32,973 --> 00:47:35,933
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. It is seventeen past two. Is it a

947
00:47:35,973 --> 00:47:39,213
Speaker 3: problem to objectify men? It's all kicking off over in

948
00:47:39,253 --> 00:47:41,933
Speaker 3: Australia on the back of Robert Irwin, the son of

949
00:47:42,053 --> 00:47:46,172
Speaker 3: Steve Irwin, doing a racy photo shoot with a men's

950
00:47:46,253 --> 00:47:49,533
Speaker 3: underwear company with a snake around his neck in provocative poses.

951
00:47:49,573 --> 00:47:53,413
Speaker 3: But a two GB presenter over in Australia, Lucy Zealik,

952
00:47:53,493 --> 00:47:57,133
Speaker 3: has come out swinging saying it is double standards and

953
00:47:57,213 --> 00:47:58,093
Speaker 3: women are hypocrites.

954
00:47:59,133 --> 00:48:00,773
Speaker 2: Campbell, your thoughts on this?

955
00:48:02,093 --> 00:48:04,413
Speaker 21: Yeah, I just wanted to point out another double standard.

956
00:48:04,453 --> 00:48:06,933
Speaker 21: We're going to left on arms about objectification of women

957
00:48:07,653 --> 00:48:10,172
Speaker 21: because we say, you know, we're only interested in their

958
00:48:10,213 --> 00:48:12,373
Speaker 21: bodies and how they look. But we have the same

959
00:48:12,413 --> 00:48:15,413
Speaker 21: double standard with sports people, where we're only interested in

960
00:48:15,453 --> 00:48:17,373
Speaker 21: them for what they can do on the sports field.

961
00:48:18,013 --> 00:48:19,973
Speaker 21: We're more than happy for them to put out their

962
00:48:20,013 --> 00:48:22,613
Speaker 21: bodies on the line for our entertainment. And then as

963
00:48:22,613 --> 00:48:24,413
Speaker 21: soon as they walk off the sports field, we forget

964
00:48:24,413 --> 00:48:26,692
Speaker 21: about them and don't really care until they're back playing again.

965
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:28,973
Speaker 21: And so it seems to me that we're happy to

966
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:32,773
Speaker 21: objectify some people in some circumstances, but in other circumstances

967
00:48:32,933 --> 00:48:35,533
Speaker 21: it's not okay, and there's no consistency amongst it.

968
00:48:35,853 --> 00:48:38,853
Speaker 2: That's an interesting point, actually, and you could say that

969
00:48:38,893 --> 00:48:45,813
Speaker 2: about soldiers as well, yep, and police officers. In people's professions,

970
00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:49,693
Speaker 2: we forget their humanity. We just go that's an object

971
00:48:49,773 --> 00:48:53,133
Speaker 2: its job is to do that. That's a really interesting point.

972
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:56,733
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what Campbell on a straight objectification

973
00:48:57,173 --> 00:49:00,293
Speaker 2: in the sort of the sexual way, that happens a lot.

974
00:49:00,373 --> 00:49:04,133
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're watching sport with a female.

975
00:49:04,373 --> 00:49:06,732
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember the twenty eleven Rugby World Cup

976
00:49:06,733 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 2: when Sonny Bill Williams had to take a shirt off

977
00:49:09,093 --> 00:49:11,893
Speaker 2: and change it on the on the sideline at Eden Park.

978
00:49:12,693 --> 00:49:15,893
Speaker 2: There was a lot of objectification going down of that

979
00:49:16,053 --> 00:49:19,573
Speaker 2: man in the room that I was watching it from.

980
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:22,053
Speaker 21: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't. I mean, one

981
00:49:22,093 --> 00:49:24,813
Speaker 21: part of me says nobody should be objectified, but then

982
00:49:24,853 --> 00:49:26,693
Speaker 21: the other part of me says, well, we're pretty selective

983
00:49:26,693 --> 00:49:28,893
Speaker 21: about when we do and when we don't. So where's

984
00:49:28,893 --> 00:49:30,933
Speaker 21: the line and who gets to decide it? Because it

985
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:33,653
Speaker 21: seems to be arbitrary that it depends on the person

986
00:49:33,733 --> 00:49:36,213
Speaker 21: being objectified as to whether they're upset or not. You

987
00:49:36,293 --> 00:49:37,453
Speaker 21: don't know, that's all it happens.

988
00:49:37,533 --> 00:49:39,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And it seems that Steve, I'm not

989
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,413
Speaker 2: Steve Irwin, Robert Irwin here doesn't seem to have a

990
00:49:42,453 --> 00:49:45,173
Speaker 2: problem with it. So Campbell, would you mind if you

991
00:49:45,213 --> 00:49:51,133
Speaker 2: were objectified and if several ladies walk past and wolf

992
00:49:51,213 --> 00:49:53,853
Speaker 2: wistilled you, how would you feel with my.

993
00:49:53,893 --> 00:49:56,573
Speaker 21: Stunning dadbod I would be highly surprised and I'd be

994
00:49:56,573 --> 00:49:57,133
Speaker 21: a bit chafed.

995
00:49:57,293 --> 00:49:59,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think most fellows would.

996
00:49:59,173 --> 00:50:01,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're going to be I think I might take

997
00:50:01,573 --> 00:50:02,613
Speaker 2: it as sarcasm.

998
00:50:03,053 --> 00:50:04,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

999
00:50:05,053 --> 00:50:05,133
Speaker 20: Oh.

1000
00:50:05,173 --> 00:50:07,693
Speaker 3: E one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

1001
00:50:07,773 --> 00:50:12,933
Speaker 3: call Matt. Women used to like being noticed, objectified. Wolf

1002
00:50:12,933 --> 00:50:15,053
Speaker 3: whistles from the building site were a badge of honor

1003
00:50:15,173 --> 00:50:19,613
Speaker 3: until it was insisted we were letting down the sisterhood

1004
00:50:19,613 --> 00:50:22,893
Speaker 3: by enjoying it. Yes, definitely double standards and inappropriate. Can't

1005
00:50:22,893 --> 00:50:26,613
Speaker 3: have it both ways. Oh, and said Steve Irwin passed away.

1006
00:50:26,613 --> 00:50:29,053
Speaker 3: How would he feel about his son objectifying himself? That's

1007
00:50:29,053 --> 00:50:29,773
Speaker 3: from Joanne.

1008
00:50:30,493 --> 00:50:32,133
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean you could argue that Steve

1009
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:36,213
Speaker 2: Iwin objectified animals. Yeah?

1010
00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:38,013
Speaker 3: Did he love the Crocs? Or did he? It was

1011
00:50:38,093 --> 00:50:40,413
Speaker 3: kind of a love hate relationship with the Crocs, wasn't it.

1012
00:50:40,453 --> 00:50:43,573
Speaker 2: Can you objectify animals? I think you can objectify animals? Yeah,

1013
00:50:43,693 --> 00:50:47,973
Speaker 2: I think you can. Yeah. This this an interesting quote

1014
00:50:48,013 --> 00:50:51,172
Speaker 2: we've got here from a professor of philosophy at Emory

1015
00:50:51,293 --> 00:50:53,693
Speaker 2: University's very famous man called George Yentzi. You might have

1016
00:50:53,733 --> 00:50:57,692
Speaker 2: read his stuff. He says, I've been conmplicit with and

1017
00:50:57,733 --> 00:51:01,093
Speaker 2: have allowed myself to be seduced by a country and

1018
00:51:01,133 --> 00:51:04,613
Speaker 2: a society that makes billions of dollars from sexually objectifying

1019
00:51:04,653 --> 00:51:08,213
Speaker 2: woman in commercials, video games, adult entertainment, and Hollywood movies.

1020
00:51:08,573 --> 00:51:11,652
Speaker 2: I am not innocent. No man is innocent. We must

1021
00:51:11,733 --> 00:51:15,893
Speaker 2: change there you go, yep, this guy's reckons. Men got

1022
00:51:15,893 --> 00:51:19,212
Speaker 2: to stop objectifying woman, But should women stop abjicctifying men?

1023
00:51:19,213 --> 00:51:19,813
Speaker 2: If that's the case.

1024
00:51:19,853 --> 00:51:21,773
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to

1025
00:51:21,813 --> 00:51:24,053
Speaker 3: call love to hear your thoughts. It is twenty past two.

1026
00:51:28,093 --> 00:51:31,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh, eight hundred eighty

1027
00:51:31,853 --> 00:51:33,613
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talks, EDB.

1028
00:51:34,053 --> 00:51:38,053
Speaker 3: News Talks, ed B. My, my, this has kicked off

1029
00:51:38,053 --> 00:51:41,772
Speaker 3: a bit of a hole. Some great techs coming through.

1030
00:51:41,813 --> 00:51:42,813
Speaker 3: On nine two ninety two.

1031
00:51:43,133 --> 00:51:45,973
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one, objectifying yourself for charity. The

1032
00:51:45,973 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 2: New Zealand Fire Department objectified themselves and calendars for years

1033
00:51:49,813 --> 00:51:51,853
Speaker 2: to raise funds. I don't remember hearing in complaints in

1034
00:51:51,893 --> 00:51:54,933
Speaker 2: the media. That did shut down though, well, I can't

1035
00:51:55,013 --> 00:51:58,333
Speaker 2: quite remember the story of that. The fireman which was

1036
00:51:58,373 --> 00:52:03,493
Speaker 2: a fantastically successful campaign for you know, for a very

1037
00:52:03,573 --> 00:52:08,693
Speaker 2: very good cause, hot Fireman calendars, that something happen with it.

1038
00:52:08,693 --> 00:52:10,453
Speaker 2: I think it was last year they stopped making it.

1039
00:52:10,973 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 2: Someone might know on nine two, nine, two hundred and eighty,

1040
00:52:13,413 --> 00:52:16,733
Speaker 2: teen eighty why they stopped doing it. Was it because

1041
00:52:16,773 --> 00:52:18,093
Speaker 2: the objectification was wrong.

1042
00:52:18,373 --> 00:52:20,733
Speaker 3: I'm just I've got a story here that the final chapter.

1043
00:52:20,773 --> 00:52:22,692
Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll do some research on that about why

1044
00:52:22,733 --> 00:52:23,493
Speaker 3: it all ended.

1045
00:52:23,693 --> 00:52:28,453
Speaker 2: But that's an interesting one. Objectification for good causes that

1046
00:52:28,613 --> 00:52:34,573
Speaker 2: really complicated, complicates the issue. Sarah, Welcome to the show.

1047
00:52:34,933 --> 00:52:37,613
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on objectification of men?

1048
00:52:39,253 --> 00:52:41,813
Speaker 22: Well, First of all, I just I just sort of

1049
00:52:41,853 --> 00:52:45,333
Speaker 22: got into the conversation maybe a little bit while you're

1050
00:52:45,333 --> 00:52:46,013
Speaker 22: already on it.

1051
00:52:46,373 --> 00:52:48,413
Speaker 14: Welcome and thank you.

1052
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:51,933
Speaker 22: What I just thought was, you know, you were talking

1053
00:52:51,973 --> 00:52:54,773
Speaker 22: about Steve iwins Son initially.

1054
00:52:55,493 --> 00:52:55,893
Speaker 18: Is that raight?

1055
00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:57,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's right, Robert doing.

1056
00:52:58,253 --> 00:53:02,133
Speaker 22: Yeah, And I just thought that, you know, if someone

1057
00:53:02,213 --> 00:53:05,453
Speaker 22: chooses to be in the public are then you know,

1058
00:53:05,493 --> 00:53:09,333
Speaker 22: a celebrity or sports people or people like that, then

1059
00:53:09,613 --> 00:53:12,173
Speaker 22: part of that should be that they should accept some

1060
00:53:13,373 --> 00:53:19,893
Speaker 22: degree of objectification and judgment. But or except that it

1061
00:53:20,333 --> 00:53:24,133
Speaker 22: comes with being that, you know, like a celebrity or

1062
00:53:25,533 --> 00:53:30,333
Speaker 22: famous or whatever. But with regard to object objectification of men,

1063
00:53:30,373 --> 00:53:32,013
Speaker 22: I'm not sure I think that would be for men

1064
00:53:32,453 --> 00:53:35,853
Speaker 22: or women. But yeah, I don't have an opinion about

1065
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:39,013
Speaker 22: the police and firemen, et cetera, et cetera.

1066
00:53:39,493 --> 00:53:42,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's an interesting one because what Robert

1067
00:53:42,453 --> 00:53:46,133
Speaker 2: Ewin has done here as he's posed for photos for

1068
00:53:46,173 --> 00:53:51,293
Speaker 2: People magazine, for Bonds, so it's a commercial thing. So

1069
00:53:51,973 --> 00:53:56,133
Speaker 2: in that situation, he's definitely put himself up for an objectification.

1070
00:53:56,213 --> 00:53:57,933
Speaker 2: And I would say it's kind of the it's kind

1071
00:53:57,933 --> 00:54:01,253
Speaker 2: of the point of it. It's not it's I mean

1072
00:54:01,453 --> 00:54:05,133
Speaker 2: that's he is obviously referencing his work with animals in

1073
00:54:05,173 --> 00:54:08,013
Speaker 2: the Australia in it. But you could do that with

1074
00:54:08,013 --> 00:54:09,893
Speaker 2: thatking your shirt off and as soon as you take

1075
00:54:09,933 --> 00:54:11,933
Speaker 2: your shirt off and all yourself up there, then then

1076
00:54:11,973 --> 00:54:15,053
Speaker 2: it's a different kind of thing, as opposed to say,

1077
00:54:15,133 --> 00:54:18,493
Speaker 2: someone walking down the street just going about their business

1078
00:54:18,733 --> 00:54:22,213
Speaker 2: and wolf whistling them that that's a different thing.

1079
00:54:22,253 --> 00:54:26,812
Speaker 22: Would you say, Sarah, Well, it depends because I think

1080
00:54:26,893 --> 00:54:33,373
Speaker 22: I think sometimes you can invite objectification depending on how

1081
00:54:33,413 --> 00:54:36,693
Speaker 22: you present yourself. I know, I know that's probably not

1082
00:54:36,853 --> 00:54:40,573
Speaker 22: really how a lot of people would like things to be.

1083
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:44,653
Speaker 22: But it just is like if if if you choose

1084
00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:46,853
Speaker 22: to take your shirt off and things like that, then

1085
00:54:47,333 --> 00:54:49,813
Speaker 22: then people are going to have judgment whether you're walking

1086
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:51,733
Speaker 22: down the street or whether you're a celebrity.

1087
00:54:51,813 --> 00:54:54,652
Speaker 2: You know, So would you would would you agree that

1088
00:54:54,653 --> 00:54:59,013
Speaker 2: that's the same say If I don't know, let's just

1089
00:54:59,053 --> 00:55:01,853
Speaker 2: say bindy his sister did the same thing. She did

1090
00:55:02,293 --> 00:55:06,013
Speaker 2: a bikini a bikini shoot with a snake around the necks.

1091
00:55:06,333 --> 00:55:08,373
Speaker 2: Then then all the comments would.

1092
00:55:08,133 --> 00:55:13,413
Speaker 22: Be Okay, I think I'm not sure what the comments were.

1093
00:55:13,653 --> 00:55:17,173
Speaker 2: Well, they wouldn't They probably wouldn't work. Here's some of

1094
00:55:17,213 --> 00:55:20,933
Speaker 2: them from from media. Do you think he can handle

1095
00:55:20,933 --> 00:55:21,373
Speaker 2: a cougar?

1096
00:55:22,293 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's quite a long point. Yeah, this one that

1097
00:55:25,733 --> 00:55:27,253
Speaker 3: is a hell of a python. I wonder if his

1098
00:55:27,293 --> 00:55:30,013
Speaker 3: python is quite long. That's quite on the nose, isn't it?

1099
00:55:30,053 --> 00:55:32,533
Speaker 2: Sarah dangling his snake in front of the world. I

1100
00:55:32,653 --> 00:55:36,533
Speaker 2: like to see it. It's they're funny. They're funny comments.

1101
00:55:36,613 --> 00:55:37,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you wind it.

1102
00:55:38,493 --> 00:55:41,333
Speaker 22: If she did it. Of course she should accept the

1103
00:55:41,373 --> 00:55:44,733
Speaker 22: same sort of thing, because she's she's chosen to do that.

1104
00:55:44,813 --> 00:55:47,413
Speaker 22: Of course, I mean what do people expect. Of course,

1105
00:55:47,413 --> 00:55:49,693
Speaker 22: people are going to have judgments funny not funny, or

1106
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:51,973
Speaker 22: talks of things. If you put yourself out there like

1107
00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:54,453
Speaker 22: that on the street or in the public, are you

1108
00:55:54,533 --> 00:55:55,093
Speaker 22: going to get it?

1109
00:55:55,773 --> 00:56:00,493
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I mean exactly. I don't think Robert Irwin's

1110
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:03,573
Speaker 2: a victim here. No, No, and I don't think And

1111
00:56:03,613 --> 00:56:06,853
Speaker 2: that's kind of why I think it's okay. So the

1112
00:56:06,893 --> 00:56:09,573
Speaker 2: whole point of this is coming up from I'm from

1113
00:56:10,013 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 2: a lady in Australian media what's her name on the

1114
00:56:12,173 --> 00:56:15,573
Speaker 2: radio l Lucy's Alex has said that it's hypocritical and

1115
00:56:15,653 --> 00:56:18,333
Speaker 2: that if women are going to complain about being objectified

1116
00:56:18,693 --> 00:56:22,173
Speaker 2: in the media, then they shouldn't objectify men. But I

1117
00:56:22,933 --> 00:56:26,013
Speaker 2: don't think so, because I just don't think men don't

1118
00:56:26,013 --> 00:56:27,093
Speaker 2: want to be objectified.

1119
00:56:27,813 --> 00:56:29,453
Speaker 3: And it wasn't like a last minute thing with the

1120
00:56:29,493 --> 00:56:31,693
Speaker 3: snake and said, oh, just why you're here, Robert, you

1121
00:56:31,733 --> 00:56:33,493
Speaker 3: don't mind if we just tangle a snake around yourn

1122
00:56:33,573 --> 00:56:35,813
Speaker 3: because oh why would you do that? Clearly he knew

1123
00:56:35,933 --> 00:56:37,973
Speaker 3: what in your window was going to be with this

1124
00:56:38,493 --> 00:56:39,813
Speaker 3: massive python around his neck.

1125
00:56:39,933 --> 00:56:42,653
Speaker 2: If you go online, Christopher lux and our prime minister

1126
00:56:42,733 --> 00:56:46,732
Speaker 2: gets a lot of full on comments people that don't

1127
00:56:46,733 --> 00:56:51,933
Speaker 2: support him, abusing the way he locks. Yeah, there's so

1128
00:56:52,053 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 2: much attack on the way locks. And that's objectifying in

1129
00:56:56,653 --> 00:56:59,573
Speaker 2: a negative way because surely how he does as a

1130
00:56:59,613 --> 00:57:01,693
Speaker 2: prime minister is what you should be talking about, not

1131
00:57:01,773 --> 00:57:04,533
Speaker 2: how he looks as he's going about what he's doing

1132
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:05,173
Speaker 2: as a prime minister.

1133
00:57:05,333 --> 00:57:07,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head

1134
00:57:07,653 --> 00:57:11,292
Speaker 3: that if you were objectify a man in a positive way,

1135
00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:14,373
Speaker 3: then that is a okay. Most guys like that. But

1136
00:57:14,733 --> 00:57:17,333
Speaker 3: if you talk about their body in a negative way,

1137
00:57:17,773 --> 00:57:19,813
Speaker 3: then that is where the offense comes in.

1138
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:22,853
Speaker 2: So if Christopher Luxon whipped his shirt off, put a

1139
00:57:22,893 --> 00:57:25,693
Speaker 2: python around his neck and posed in some bonds undies.

1140
00:57:25,893 --> 00:57:27,613
Speaker 2: Then it's open slept.

1141
00:57:27,773 --> 00:57:29,973
Speaker 3: The company will go bankrupt. Oh one hundred and eighty

1142
00:57:29,973 --> 00:57:32,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is twenty

1143
00:57:33,013 --> 00:57:36,133
Speaker 3: eight past two.

1144
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:40,013
Speaker 16: You talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1145
00:57:40,093 --> 00:57:43,493
Speaker 16: no trouble with a blue bubble. Foreign Affairs Minister Winston

1146
00:57:43,493 --> 00:57:46,493
Speaker 16: Peters says New Zealand should wait until a dust settles

1147
00:57:46,533 --> 00:57:49,453
Speaker 16: on Donald Trump's tariffs. He says, we don't know where

1148
00:57:49,453 --> 00:57:52,053
Speaker 16: the tariffs are going, but we should find out before

1149
00:57:52,093 --> 00:57:55,253
Speaker 16: we make further comment. A thirty two year old man

1150
00:57:55,293 --> 00:57:58,333
Speaker 16: who murdered a teen after she wore his T shirt

1151
00:57:58,533 --> 00:58:01,493
Speaker 16: has been jailed for life with twelve years non parole.

1152
00:58:01,933 --> 00:58:06,573
Speaker 16: Jeremy Jimmy I'm sorry. Jimmy Hitemeyer pleaded guilty to eighteen

1153
00:58:06,653 --> 00:58:10,573
Speaker 16: year old Ardiki Rigby's death, killing her after an argument

1154
00:58:10,933 --> 00:58:14,053
Speaker 16: over wearing his Mongrel Mob shirt. Her body was found

1155
00:58:14,093 --> 00:58:16,573
Speaker 16: in a burnt out car in Hawks Bay. In September

1156
00:58:16,573 --> 00:58:20,413
Speaker 16: of twenty twenty two, the Defense Forces made a tide

1157
00:58:20,573 --> 00:58:24,773
Speaker 16: profit selling its four old Hercules planes for nine million dollars.

1158
00:58:25,133 --> 00:58:28,053
Speaker 16: A US aerial fire fighting companies bought the aircraft and

1159
00:58:28,053 --> 00:58:30,613
Speaker 16: will fly them to California over the next few months.

1160
00:58:31,493 --> 00:58:35,693
Speaker 16: A new diabetes drug has secured FARMAC funding. Rise a

1161
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1162
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Speaker 16: May and will reduce the number of times people need

1163
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Speaker 16: to inject du Vale Unit by Affairs were neegging on

1164
00:58:45,893 --> 00:58:49,293
Speaker 16: eight hundred and fifty thousand dollar contract. Read more at

1165
00:58:49,373 --> 00:58:52,773
Speaker 16: ensid Herald Premium. Back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

1166
00:58:52,373 --> 00:58:54,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, And we're talking about the

1167
00:58:54,133 --> 00:58:57,493
Speaker 3: Robert Irwin photo shoot that is causing a bit of

1168
00:58:57,533 --> 00:59:02,773
Speaker 3: controversy across the ditch. A two GB presenter Lucy Zellacas

1169
00:59:02,813 --> 00:59:05,573
Speaker 3: come out swinging saying it is double standards of women.

1170
00:59:05,813 --> 00:59:08,293
Speaker 3: Are hypocrats for ejectifying Robert Ewin?

1171
00:59:08,413 --> 00:59:12,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what kind of I don't know. I don't

1172
00:59:12,413 --> 00:59:15,173
Speaker 2: think there's the dudes care. I think that's I think

1173
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:18,333
Speaker 2: that's the difference. I don't think dudes care. Yeah, I

1174
00:59:18,333 --> 00:59:21,893
Speaker 2: mean objectify it away. I got this wrong before. There

1175
00:59:21,973 --> 00:59:24,813
Speaker 2: is the key we Firefighters Calendar twenty twenty five and

1176
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:27,213
Speaker 2: there and there are geez, there's some rock and bods

1177
00:59:27,213 --> 00:59:32,373
Speaker 2: in there. Holy moly, there's some good looking dudes. They're

1178
00:59:32,373 --> 00:59:34,533
Speaker 2: working the training must be intent. There's a lot of

1179
00:59:34,573 --> 00:59:39,693
Speaker 2: six packs in there, so yeah, OK, buff that dude

1180
00:59:39,813 --> 00:59:44,373
Speaker 2: is he is Robert. I'm trying to think of some

1181
00:59:44,413 --> 00:59:47,093
Speaker 2: way to objective. Fy h, he can put out my

1182
00:59:47,173 --> 00:59:51,893
Speaker 2: fire anytime he could. Uh, I don't know.

1183
00:59:52,173 --> 00:59:54,013
Speaker 3: I'm as my cat up a tree.

1184
00:59:54,173 --> 00:59:56,973
Speaker 2: Or the only I think I had a bunch of

1185
00:59:56,973 --> 01:00:00,093
Speaker 2: hot guys. It doesn't yeah anyway, anyway, Yeah, we went

1186
01:00:00,133 --> 01:00:01,933
Speaker 2: a bit deep on that one term your thoughts on

1187
01:00:01,933 --> 01:00:05,173
Speaker 2: objectifying men, gentlemen, I.

1188
01:00:05,133 --> 01:00:07,133
Speaker 8: Just want to give you a bit of a different perspective.

1189
01:00:08,453 --> 01:00:10,853
Speaker 8: I'm a victim of all this, and it's actually hell

1190
01:00:10,893 --> 01:00:16,413
Speaker 8: on earth, been objectified constantly. Right, I'm a pretty I'm

1191
01:00:16,453 --> 01:00:21,493
Speaker 8: pretty good looking, do seely blue eyes. I've moved to

1192
01:00:21,533 --> 01:00:25,493
Speaker 8: the premium catch as I've got through big fisties. I've

1193
01:00:25,493 --> 01:00:27,373
Speaker 8: sort of probably drunk too much and eating too much

1194
01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:30,573
Speaker 8: in the weight start on, and I'm finding myself's life

1195
01:00:30,613 --> 01:00:34,253
Speaker 8: goes by that the and be pursued by chubby chasers

1196
01:00:34,493 --> 01:00:38,413
Speaker 8: and they're a rabbit mob wild animals.

1197
01:00:38,853 --> 01:00:40,133
Speaker 2: And how does that? How does that make.

1198
01:00:41,773 --> 01:00:41,933
Speaker 7: Well?

1199
01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:43,893
Speaker 8: I go to the beach and then they just undressed

1200
01:00:43,893 --> 01:00:45,333
Speaker 8: me constantly. You could just tell her.

1201
01:00:45,293 --> 01:00:46,613
Speaker 5: Undressing me with their eyes.

1202
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:48,493
Speaker 8: It's gotten to the point now that I actually just

1203
01:00:48,813 --> 01:00:50,613
Speaker 8: go and self harm at McDonald's and said to go

1204
01:00:50,693 --> 01:00:51,213
Speaker 8: into the beach and.

1205
01:00:51,933 --> 01:00:53,573
Speaker 3: To be self help groups for people like you.

1206
01:00:53,613 --> 01:00:57,413
Speaker 2: To my think, yeah you are a victor. Yeah, look

1207
01:00:57,973 --> 01:01:02,053
Speaker 2: I feel for you, and look thoughts and prayers that

1208
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:03,253
Speaker 2: must be tough.

1209
01:01:03,173 --> 01:01:07,253
Speaker 3: That would be guys. I find these posers deserve whatever

1210
01:01:07,333 --> 01:01:09,533
Speaker 3: crap comes their way. You open yourself up for it

1211
01:01:09,693 --> 01:01:11,933
Speaker 3: the instant you put yourself out there.

1212
01:01:12,693 --> 01:01:15,493
Speaker 2: Haha, enjoying your show. Guys. I have to say I

1213
01:01:15,693 --> 01:01:20,173
Speaker 2: find Christopher Luxen very sexy. I really get surprised when

1214
01:01:20,173 --> 01:01:22,613
Speaker 2: people continually pick on his looks. I always think a

1215
01:01:22,653 --> 01:01:27,773
Speaker 2: clean bald man is very sexy. So like she is

1216
01:01:28,013 --> 01:01:31,013
Speaker 2: doing what these people have been doing to Steve Illwin,

1217
01:01:32,453 --> 01:01:37,013
Speaker 2: objectifying our prime minister. He's just a hot hunk of

1218
01:01:37,053 --> 01:01:43,053
Speaker 2: meat to her. Clean, He's just a beautiful, clean bald man.

1219
01:01:43,413 --> 01:01:45,173
Speaker 2: She's just an object to her.

1220
01:01:46,013 --> 01:01:50,973
Speaker 3: Guys. The difference really is women are funny and use puns,

1221
01:01:51,053 --> 01:01:54,733
Speaker 3: where if it was been the most of the comments

1222
01:01:54,773 --> 01:01:58,213
Speaker 3: would probably be far more aggressive and disgusting and creepy.

1223
01:01:58,373 --> 01:01:58,613
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1224
01:01:58,653 --> 01:02:02,213
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that the comments were funny, but

1225
01:02:02,333 --> 01:02:04,813
Speaker 2: we only got the funny ones. You know, if you

1226
01:02:04,893 --> 01:02:06,493
Speaker 2: go through, some of them might not have been funny

1227
01:02:06,493 --> 01:02:08,013
Speaker 2: for front of some of them might have just been

1228
01:02:08,573 --> 01:02:10,293
Speaker 2: raw crude sexuality.

1229
01:02:10,493 --> 01:02:11,253
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were.

1230
01:02:11,413 --> 01:02:11,853
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1231
01:02:11,893 --> 01:02:14,133
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1232
01:02:14,173 --> 01:02:16,893
Speaker 3: to call. Is there anything wrong with objectifying men? Love

1233
01:02:16,933 --> 01:02:20,093
Speaker 3: to hear your thoughts, Adam.

1234
01:02:20,973 --> 01:02:24,093
Speaker 2: That's Matt's texture. Is just text you something very funny.

1235
01:02:24,093 --> 01:02:26,853
Speaker 2: If I can't read it out, that's pretty good. That is

1236
01:02:26,853 --> 01:02:30,333
Speaker 2: a good pun that's very good. That's a good one, Adam.

1237
01:02:31,053 --> 01:02:31,933
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1238
01:02:33,373 --> 01:02:35,493
Speaker 15: He Alad's frequent list the first time.

1239
01:02:35,573 --> 01:02:37,453
Speaker 3: Call it good man, welcome aboard.

1240
01:02:38,853 --> 01:02:43,573
Speaker 15: I thank hey. Look, we're listening to your talk about objectification,

1241
01:02:43,733 --> 01:02:48,853
Speaker 15: and I'm a no favor of objectification, but why can't

1242
01:02:48,893 --> 01:02:52,573
Speaker 15: we appreciate things as well? Right, Like, if we look

1243
01:02:52,613 --> 01:02:54,533
Speaker 15: back through time, you've got a lot of art and

1244
01:02:54,653 --> 01:02:58,413
Speaker 15: sculpture where mood men and women feature quite prominently back

1245
01:02:58,493 --> 01:03:03,453
Speaker 15: hundreds and thousands of years. Well, we don't call that objectification,

1246
01:03:03,533 --> 01:03:06,493
Speaker 15: and we call it and we call it appreciation, and

1247
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:10,373
Speaker 15: we appreciate it and celebrate it. So if someone has

1248
01:03:10,373 --> 01:03:12,253
Speaker 15: a good physique and they've been a lot of time

1249
01:03:12,293 --> 01:03:14,453
Speaker 15: in the effort to get themselves looking that way and

1250
01:03:14,533 --> 01:03:16,973
Speaker 15: are willing to put themselves out there as as as

1251
01:03:17,013 --> 01:03:19,413
Speaker 15: a model or whether it's for art, whether it's for

1252
01:03:19,453 --> 01:03:23,373
Speaker 15: a commercial or whatever. Why can't we Why can't we

1253
01:03:23,373 --> 01:03:27,293
Speaker 15: celebrate that and appreciate it? For me, objectification is about

1254
01:03:27,493 --> 01:03:32,173
Speaker 15: a reductionism, right, like reductionism of someone to just their

1255
01:03:32,213 --> 01:03:37,333
Speaker 15: physical form, whereas you can appreciate someone's physical form and

1256
01:03:37,653 --> 01:03:39,773
Speaker 15: still have a lot of respects for their intelligence and

1257
01:03:39,973 --> 01:03:41,493
Speaker 15: what they bring through society.

1258
01:03:42,613 --> 01:03:45,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a really interesting point you raise

1259
01:03:45,533 --> 01:03:48,893
Speaker 2: there philosophically, because once something's a picture, right, So you

1260
01:03:48,933 --> 01:03:52,133
Speaker 2: take the Venus demilt, right, which is fantastic piece of

1261
01:03:52,213 --> 01:03:57,093
Speaker 2: art obviously, I think it's made about one hundred and

1262
01:03:57,133 --> 01:04:00,533
Speaker 2: ten vcs, that's been around for wascon currently got an

1263
01:04:00,573 --> 01:04:03,653
Speaker 2: arm missing. I don't think that's coming. It's two arms missing, actually,

1264
01:04:03,653 --> 01:04:06,453
Speaker 2: if I remember rightly, yep. But that was that was

1265
01:04:06,813 --> 01:04:10,213
Speaker 2: that was you know, sculpted around someone had a subject

1266
01:04:10,253 --> 01:04:14,173
Speaker 2: that it was sculpted around. So are you objectifying the

1267
01:04:14,213 --> 01:04:17,773
Speaker 2: original person that was sculpted When you look at the

1268
01:04:17,853 --> 01:04:20,293
Speaker 2: Venus Demilo and go wow, that's an amazing sculpture.

1269
01:04:20,893 --> 01:04:23,093
Speaker 3: Well, that was the definition of beauty, wasn't it back

1270
01:04:23,093 --> 01:04:25,413
Speaker 3: when it was sculpted, And as you say, it been

1271
01:04:25,493 --> 01:04:27,333
Speaker 3: long held up as a work of art.

1272
01:04:27,693 --> 01:04:29,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't find the Venus Demilo

1273
01:04:29,373 --> 01:04:33,253
Speaker 2: that hot myself, but that's just me personally high standards

1274
01:04:33,253 --> 01:04:37,653
Speaker 2: from me. But I see your point, Adam.

1275
01:04:38,373 --> 01:04:40,173
Speaker 15: Yeah, And I guess you can look at it and go, oh,

1276
01:04:40,253 --> 01:04:42,933
Speaker 15: this has been done for completely commercial purposes, right, But

1277
01:04:43,013 --> 01:04:46,613
Speaker 15: I've been to plenty of art galleries which feature photographs

1278
01:04:46,693 --> 01:04:49,613
Speaker 15: or sculptures or paintings of people with a man or

1279
01:04:49,613 --> 01:04:53,213
Speaker 15: woman and they are produced for commercial gain. Right, Those

1280
01:04:53,253 --> 01:04:56,693
Speaker 15: pieces of art are for sale, which is no different

1281
01:04:56,733 --> 01:04:58,573
Speaker 15: to selling a pair of undies really in my book,

1282
01:04:58,573 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 15: And you can potentially go, well, yes, it is an advertisement,

1283
01:05:01,653 --> 01:05:04,413
Speaker 15: but what is art? Art can be anything, right, So

1284
01:05:04,613 --> 01:05:07,693
Speaker 15: why can a commercial which is or a photograph and

1285
01:05:07,733 --> 01:05:10,693
Speaker 15: which in this why can't it be considered to be

1286
01:05:10,853 --> 01:05:11,813
Speaker 15: a form of art.

1287
01:05:12,093 --> 01:05:12,333
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1288
01:05:12,653 --> 01:05:14,693
Speaker 2: I think that's a very good point. And over time,

1289
01:05:14,813 --> 01:05:17,733
Speaker 2: these things can you know, you see advertisings from the

1290
01:05:17,773 --> 01:05:20,773
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties now and have been elevated to the form

1291
01:05:20,773 --> 01:05:23,533
Speaker 2: of art. But hey, thank you so much for you call, Adam.

1292
01:05:23,853 --> 01:05:26,653
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the you know, the modoriza is nothing

1293
01:05:26,853 --> 01:05:28,933
Speaker 2: no better than a bond's under his air.

1294
01:05:30,493 --> 01:05:33,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, effectively a four hundred million dollar bonds ad. But

1295
01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:37,453
Speaker 3: if Robert Irwin got no comments on this photo shoot,

1296
01:05:37,453 --> 01:05:39,933
Speaker 3: that would be far more offensive to them than clearly

1297
01:05:40,013 --> 01:05:43,613
Speaker 3: the comments that he got. It was designed to be provocative, insductive,

1298
01:05:43,893 --> 01:05:46,253
Speaker 3: and if people came out and said, ah, he's so

1299
01:05:46,253 --> 01:05:50,253
Speaker 3: so pretty average body, then that point that would be offensive.

1300
01:05:51,093 --> 01:05:54,133
Speaker 3: But the way that it's you know, played out, I

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Speaker 3: think it just brings some equality.

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Speaker 2: If anything, this texts said the word missing in the

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01:05:57,773 --> 01:06:00,213
Speaker 2: previous callers dialogue. This was a call before that that

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01:06:00,333 --> 01:06:03,973
Speaker 2: was talking about people getting objectified and their professions, and

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01:06:03,973 --> 01:06:08,173
Speaker 2: we were talking about soldiers and stuff. Is sexual objectification?

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01:06:08,533 --> 01:06:11,493
Speaker 2: Are the army et cetera signed up for their bodies

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Speaker 2: to be used in the way that they do? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we are talking about sexual objectification, but I

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01:06:16,933 --> 01:06:21,853
Speaker 2: don't think it's Male bodies have been used as objects

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01:06:21,893 --> 01:06:24,493
Speaker 2: for a very long time, as cannon fodder sent into war,

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01:06:24,653 --> 01:06:27,733
Speaker 2: and not always of their own choosing. Yeah, you know,

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01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:31,693
Speaker 2: conscription has been a big thing for a longer time

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Speaker 2: than it hasn't been, So you could you could argue

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Speaker 2: that a lot of men his bodies have just been

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Speaker 2: used as objects to get in the way of arrows

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Speaker 2: and bullets and cannon.

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Speaker 23: True.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, human shields. This takes from Linda. Guys. This is

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Speaker 3: just advertising genius, all ossy long grass, trampoline, hills, washing line, snake,

1320
01:06:51,213 --> 01:06:54,733
Speaker 3: spider and crocodile. It's a laugh tradees underwear have a

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01:06:54,813 --> 01:06:57,933
Speaker 3: lady and Bloken the adverts and old Geezer and Oz

1322
01:06:57,933 --> 01:06:59,893
Speaker 3: who owns a bakery is doing a skit of this

1323
01:07:00,013 --> 01:07:02,213
Speaker 3: online in his bonds with a bunch of buns and

1324
01:07:02,293 --> 01:07:04,053
Speaker 3: a snake and it is going off.

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Speaker 2: Someone will know. On nine two, nine to two, there's

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Speaker 2: this very funny Australian comedian and she posts things on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: And so whenever a model does an Instagram shot which

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01:07:14,093 --> 01:07:16,853
Speaker 2: she walks in and you know, does a sexy pose,

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01:07:17,453 --> 01:07:20,933
Speaker 2: this very funny Australian comedian she does the exact same

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01:07:20,973 --> 01:07:23,733
Speaker 2: pose and like you know, she's she's carrying a little

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01:07:23,733 --> 01:07:26,333
Speaker 2: bit of weight. But she's a very very funny woman.

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Speaker 2: So if someone can remember who she is, because she's

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Speaker 2: very funny.

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Speaker 3: Nine nine terms of text, number oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call love to hear

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Speaker 3: your thoughts. Is there anything wrong with objectifine men? It

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Speaker 3: is nineteen two three.

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Speaker 2: What about a news talk ZB announces calendar. Oh, it'd

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Speaker 2: be very keen to oil up for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get it rolling.

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Speaker 2: No problems at all.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: V Afternoon, sixteen to three. There's been a flood of

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Speaker 3: techs come through.

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Speaker 2: I love the ZB nine two ninety two search engine.

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01:08:02,493 --> 01:08:04,453
Speaker 2: It's better than anything. It's better than gurgle. I've said

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Speaker 2: every day. It's better than gurgle. It's better than any

1349
01:08:06,413 --> 01:08:09,293
Speaker 2: of those rubbish AI searches that getting forced upon us.

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Speaker 2: Incident the Australian comedian, it's very funny. Celeste Barbara is

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01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:16,972
Speaker 2: her name. She is fantastic if you if you're on Instagram,

1352
01:08:17,013 --> 01:08:19,732
Speaker 2: follow her on Instagram and me mettethen Z, but mainly

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01:08:19,773 --> 01:08:23,412
Speaker 2: her Celeste Barber, because what I guess what she's doing

1354
01:08:23,532 --> 01:08:29,932
Speaker 2: is she's really parodying woman that objectify themselves. And it's

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01:08:30,013 --> 01:08:33,173
Speaker 2: so funny because when you'd have to see it see

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Speaker 2: what she does. But essentially she shill play a video

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01:08:36,293 --> 01:08:40,293
Speaker 2: of someone coming out and sexy outfit, doing a sexy

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01:08:40,333 --> 01:08:43,452
Speaker 2: move and looking at the camera, and then then she

1359
01:08:43,612 --> 01:08:47,333
Speaker 2: imitates it and it just makes the original person seem

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01:08:47,572 --> 01:08:52,333
Speaker 2: so ridiculous. I think it's some of the best I

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01:08:52,412 --> 01:08:56,532
Speaker 2: guess satire on objectification you will ever ever see.

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Speaker 3: She's very intastic. One hundred and Eightyeen eighty is the

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01:08:59,933 --> 01:09:02,213
Speaker 3: number to call Ken to get your thoughts about is

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01:09:02,293 --> 01:09:05,572
Speaker 3: it okay to objectify men or is there anything wrong

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01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:08,293
Speaker 3: with it? It is on the back of the objectification

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01:09:08,692 --> 01:09:11,732
Speaker 3: of Robert Irwin in a very provocative photo shoot he

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Speaker 3: did in Australia.

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Speaker 2: I am currently coming under fire from my objectification of

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01:09:16,372 --> 01:09:19,852
Speaker 2: the Venus de Milo statue, a statue that was made

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Speaker 2: in the year one BC. Matt, your comments on the

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Speaker 2: Venus de Milo were actually gross, not funny. You don't

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01:09:27,133 --> 01:09:30,572
Speaker 2: think the statue is hot? Who asked you? I can't

1373
01:09:30,572 --> 01:09:34,053
Speaker 2: believe I heard that on z B. It's art you

1374
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Speaker 2: absolute creep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah good, it's beautiful sculpture.

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01:09:38,492 --> 01:09:43,692
Speaker 2: Objectifying the sculpture. It's an object. It is an object,

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01:09:43,973 --> 01:09:46,492
Speaker 2: and I just look, just from my heart, I don't

1378
01:09:46,532 --> 01:09:48,132
Speaker 2: find the Venus de Milo that hot.

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Speaker 3: Ray. How are you this afternoon, good man? Are you

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Speaker 3: both very good? And what are you reckon about this one?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I reckon guys love to be objectified,

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01:10:02,093 --> 01:10:02,492
Speaker 7: a lot of it.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 7: I've had a look at that of Robert Irwin's photos

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01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:07,492
Speaker 7: and I'm like, you know, i gotta say, that's got

1386
01:10:07,532 --> 01:10:11,093
Speaker 7: a good body. He's wearing some Tonet like boxers, he's

1387
01:10:11,133 --> 01:10:13,013
Speaker 7: got a snake all over, and it's like, you know,

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01:10:13,572 --> 01:10:17,213
Speaker 7: you would be insulted as Robert Irwin. A woman didn't

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01:10:17,253 --> 01:10:21,572
Speaker 7: make some comments about his appearance and some innuendo about

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01:10:21,612 --> 01:10:25,133
Speaker 7: maybe what they would like from him.

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Speaker 17: A lot of it have ala.

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Speaker 7: I remember, probably about fifteen years ago, I was doing

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Speaker 7: a Social WEK degree and we had a member of

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Speaker 7: the police come in to talk to us Sunday, strapping,

1395
01:10:36,812 --> 01:10:40,412
Speaker 7: young Pacificer guy had on quite a tight top and

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01:10:40,612 --> 01:10:43,772
Speaker 7: was quite muscular. Now, the Social Week demographic back then

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Speaker 7: was probably about ninety percent female, so there would have

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Speaker 7: been let's say fifty people, and there would have been

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Speaker 7: probably forty five woman and five guys. And the guys

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Speaker 7: intrinsically knew that you know, as a guy, you should

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Speaker 7: not be saying anything towards woman that would be derogatory,

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01:11:00,213 --> 01:11:05,333
Speaker 7: anything with sexual nature. And if we had made fun

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01:11:05,412 --> 01:11:07,652
Speaker 7: of the way of female coming to talk to us,

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01:11:07,732 --> 01:11:10,572
Speaker 7: had it appeared, we would have been off the course

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01:11:11,213 --> 01:11:15,612
Speaker 7: the woman on our course. When this male police officer came,

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Speaker 7: they whooped some like what was the famous question he

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01:11:23,732 --> 01:11:26,213
Speaker 7: got asked? He said, any questions? What was the first question?

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01:11:29,933 --> 01:11:30,612
Speaker 8: Have I guess?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. What can your bench?

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Speaker 7: What are you single?

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01:11:36,532 --> 01:11:38,532
Speaker 2: Of course that was the first question. Yeah, good question.

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Speaker 17: No he was married.

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Speaker 7: Like, as a male student, if we've done that with

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Speaker 7: any female coming to talk to us, we would have

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Speaker 7: been off the course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and and I think I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: But why as men do we not care well or

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Speaker 2: as well? I don't love it.

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Speaker 7: I think men love it as a man if you

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01:12:02,133 --> 01:12:06,253
Speaker 7: get comments on you're being strong, or you know your

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01:12:06,333 --> 01:12:08,893
Speaker 7: chest looks good, or you know you look good on

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01:12:08,973 --> 01:12:12,052
Speaker 7: that shirt or look at your shoulders, guys love that stuff,

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01:12:12,173 --> 01:12:15,732
Speaker 7: love it, you know what, because guys don't often hear it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But is it the fact that for most

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01:12:19,893 --> 01:12:23,173
Speaker 3: guys it doesn't happen a hell of a lot where

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01:12:23,452 --> 01:12:28,212
Speaker 3: for some speak for yourself to for some woman it happens,

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01:12:28,253 --> 01:12:30,972
Speaker 3: it would happen on a daily basis, so constantly getting

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01:12:30,973 --> 01:12:34,173
Speaker 3: wolf whistle, constantly little sort of crude remarks at them

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Speaker 3: when they're walking down the street. Maybe that's the difference,

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01:12:36,372 --> 01:12:39,732
Speaker 3: that they just get bombarded with it, that they've had enough.

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Speaker 3: Whereas you know, imagine Brad Pitt does pretty well in

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01:12:42,213 --> 01:12:45,173
Speaker 3: the old objectification, and if he's walking down the street

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01:12:45,213 --> 01:12:47,253
Speaker 3: and all these women are screaming at him and trying

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Speaker 3: to grab.

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Speaker 2: His I reckon, I reckon Brad Pitt would be sick

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01:12:50,412 --> 01:12:52,572
Speaker 2: of it. I reckon he'd be one guy that would

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01:12:52,612 --> 01:12:55,412
Speaker 2: be absolutely sick of it. Hey, thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: your court ray. It's interesting because I mean, the reason why,

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01:13:00,053 --> 01:13:03,093
Speaker 2: as I was saying before that that people think there's

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01:13:03,093 --> 01:13:06,492
Speaker 2: a problem with female objectification is the argument that it

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01:13:06,532 --> 01:13:09,293
Speaker 2: teaches men and boys that females are sex or objects

1442
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:12,333
Speaker 2: above all ouse, that woman exists to be looked at,

1443
01:13:13,973 --> 01:13:16,853
Speaker 2: above all ouse. That's the argument on the other side,

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01:13:17,093 --> 01:13:20,173
Speaker 2: But I don't think men would really care. I mean,

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01:13:20,452 --> 01:13:22,652
Speaker 2: in this definition I'm seeing here that woman exists to

1446
01:13:22,692 --> 01:13:26,492
Speaker 2: be looked at, consumed, and discarded. Anyone's allowed to if

1447
01:13:26,492 --> 01:13:28,572
Speaker 2: you want to look at me, consume me and discard me,

1448
01:13:28,652 --> 01:13:31,372
Speaker 2: then go for your life. I'd be flattered, and I

1449
01:13:31,372 --> 01:13:33,612
Speaker 2: think that maybe that's the difference. I think it's important

1450
01:13:33,612 --> 01:13:36,372
Speaker 2: to remind people, says this text, that this topic is

1451
01:13:36,412 --> 01:13:38,692
Speaker 2: not about how Irwin feels about the comments and whether

1452
01:13:38,732 --> 01:13:41,972
Speaker 2: he's offended. The Australian host was only raising whether it's

1453
01:13:42,013 --> 01:13:44,692
Speaker 2: okay in the current day for women who regularly call

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01:13:44,732 --> 01:13:48,053
Speaker 2: out men on making any comment about their parents to

1455
01:13:48,093 --> 01:13:52,253
Speaker 2: be doing the same. And I'm certain there'd be one

1456
01:13:52,333 --> 01:13:55,253
Speaker 2: billion dollar minium to get together in building you multi

1457
01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,253
Speaker 2: use stadium. This seems to have gone through too.

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01:13:57,333 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 3: It's kind of linking two topics together.

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01:13:59,692 --> 01:14:00,093
Speaker 2: I get it.

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01:14:00,133 --> 01:14:03,532
Speaker 3: But to the first point, that's quite right that it's

1461
01:14:03,572 --> 01:14:05,253
Speaker 3: not about how Irwin feels about it.

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01:14:05,452 --> 01:14:08,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just putting out the hypocrisy of it, and

1463
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:10,852
Speaker 2: I was, and I can see a clear hypocrisy there.

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01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:14,532
Speaker 2: But my point is we don't care. Men don't get

1465
01:14:14,572 --> 01:14:15,092
Speaker 2: to fly away.

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01:14:15,133 --> 01:14:15,532
Speaker 3: We love you.

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01:14:15,652 --> 01:14:19,093
Speaker 2: If anything, a great show. I think men need to

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01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:20,892
Speaker 2: grow up here. I think it's just a few small

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01:14:20,893 --> 01:14:24,093
Speaker 2: percentage than it is precious. I don't know what is

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01:14:24,133 --> 01:14:26,333
Speaker 2: happening in these days. If the guy looks hot, tell

1471
01:14:26,372 --> 01:14:29,772
Speaker 2: him if the guy's fat, and think it is bigger

1472
01:14:29,812 --> 01:14:32,133
Speaker 2: than you, tell him if it's smaller than you. I

1473
01:14:32,173 --> 01:14:35,372
Speaker 2: think people just chilling in life. Steve, thank you very much.

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01:14:35,652 --> 01:14:37,253
Speaker 2: I don't think I nailed the reading of that, but

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01:14:37,412 --> 01:14:37,852
Speaker 2: that's all right.

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01:14:37,893 --> 01:14:39,892
Speaker 3: I don't think he nailed the right of it either, Steve.

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01:14:39,933 --> 01:14:41,652
Speaker 3: I love you, Steve, but yeah, there was a few

1478
01:14:41,652 --> 01:14:44,572
Speaker 3: mistakes in that one. I went one hundred eighty is

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01:14:44,612 --> 01:14:46,293
Speaker 3: the number to call? It is nine to.

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Speaker 1: Three, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1481
01:14:50,532 --> 01:14:54,572
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Mad Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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01:14:54,652 --> 01:14:55,013
Speaker 1: Sa'd be.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, A very good afternoon to you. Hello, Hello and thoughts.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I just put after I get a female perspective

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01:15:08,133 --> 01:15:13,053
Speaker 11: on the male versus female objectification and use that example

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01:15:13,133 --> 01:15:16,532
Speaker 11: that the previous caller had of, you know, forty five

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01:15:16,772 --> 01:15:20,612
Speaker 11: women in a room sort of objectifying a male and

1488
01:15:20,692 --> 01:15:24,333
Speaker 11: while why that felt quite different too as the roles

1489
01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:26,852
Speaker 11: were there, yep. And I think it's because if you

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01:15:26,973 --> 01:15:30,572
Speaker 11: cut a woman in a room with forty five men

1491
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:34,612
Speaker 11: where that level of scrutiny and kind of objectification happens,

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01:15:35,173 --> 01:15:37,253
Speaker 11: that women would actually feel really unsafe.

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01:15:37,412 --> 01:15:38,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and.

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01:15:38,053 --> 01:15:40,812
Speaker 11: I don't think that. I don't think that's true the

1495
01:15:40,933 --> 01:15:43,213
Speaker 11: other way, when the shoes on the other foot. So

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01:15:43,293 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 11: I think, and I think a lot of females can

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01:15:45,293 --> 01:15:48,213
Speaker 11: probably point to an example of a time where they've

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01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:53,333
Speaker 11: felt some form of objectification has left them feeling I'm

1499
01:15:53,412 --> 01:15:57,932
Speaker 11: safe And maybe that's a really unfamiliar feeling for men.

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01:15:58,692 --> 01:15:59,692
Speaker 11: Haven't experienced that.

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01:15:59,973 --> 01:16:01,852
Speaker 2: I think you might have put the nail on the head. Yeah,

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01:16:01,893 --> 01:16:06,293
Speaker 2: and that's possibly why I don't care if someone or

1503
01:16:06,452 --> 01:16:08,933
Speaker 2: Steve Ewen, because there's no lack of safety in.

1504
01:16:08,933 --> 01:16:10,173
Speaker 3: Thes no danger in that.

1505
01:16:12,293 --> 01:16:15,333
Speaker 2: And also is this and this might be kind of

1506
01:16:15,492 --> 01:16:17,572
Speaker 2: just slightly different from what you're saying, Sarah, But here's

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01:16:17,572 --> 01:16:19,692
Speaker 2: the text that says he put himself up as a

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01:16:19,732 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 2: lingerie model. That's different to a secretary being hit on. So, yeah,

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01:16:25,133 --> 01:16:27,053
Speaker 2: it's quite a different thing, isn't it. And so we're

1510
01:16:27,133 --> 01:16:30,093
Speaker 2: using this thing of sexual objectification, but it's across a

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01:16:30,133 --> 01:16:33,253
Speaker 2: whole whole spectrum of things. It's very different if someone's

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01:16:33,253 --> 01:16:36,572
Speaker 2: looking at a photo as to someone hassling someone in

1513
01:16:37,612 --> 01:16:40,293
Speaker 2: real life, or let alone forty five men yelling at

1514
01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:42,852
Speaker 2: one woman. They're very different things, aren't they?

1515
01:16:43,452 --> 01:16:46,812
Speaker 11: Yes, very different things. It's just interesting. I do start

1516
01:16:46,893 --> 01:16:53,253
Speaker 11: thinking about it from I think the perspective of if

1517
01:16:53,333 --> 01:16:57,612
Speaker 11: you slipper and what the person receiving the adjectification feels.

1518
01:16:57,692 --> 01:17:01,133
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was just my comment.

1519
01:17:02,253 --> 01:17:04,293
Speaker 3: Thank you so much of you call Sarah, just quickly,

1520
01:17:04,333 --> 01:17:07,572
Speaker 3: Sarah on the Robert Irwin one and and you've hit

1521
01:17:07,612 --> 01:17:09,532
Speaker 3: the nail on the head there with with that point.

1522
01:17:09,572 --> 01:17:11,572
Speaker 3: But would you be you sound a bit younger than

1523
01:17:11,692 --> 01:17:14,052
Speaker 3: perhaps some of these women that were commenting on that photo.

1524
01:17:14,412 --> 01:17:16,492
Speaker 3: Do you think that is starting to change the way

1525
01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:21,173
Speaker 3: that younger females would comment on a provocative photo like that.

1526
01:17:22,772 --> 01:17:27,892
Speaker 11: Yeah, lot, I'm flattered. I'm forty five, so I think

1527
01:17:27,933 --> 01:17:34,333
Speaker 11: I'm probably right right, Yeah, but I yeah, possibly, I

1528
01:17:34,333 --> 01:17:37,412
Speaker 11: mean there's definitely it feels like there's a lot more

1529
01:17:37,412 --> 01:17:43,812
Speaker 11: awareness and sensitivity towards these things that perhaps the younger

1530
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:49,652
Speaker 11: generation and i'd say particularly the male younger generations more

1531
01:17:49,692 --> 01:17:54,972
Speaker 11: aware of. And yeah, maybe over time, over generational changes,

1532
01:17:55,013 --> 01:17:55,972
Speaker 11: those things sort of shipped.

1533
01:17:56,173 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so much for your call, Sarah, great

1534
01:17:58,492 --> 01:18:01,133
Speaker 3: call to finish. Thank you very much. That was a

1535
01:18:01,253 --> 01:18:02,852
Speaker 3: very interesting. Now I really enjoyed that.

1536
01:18:03,253 --> 01:18:06,892
Speaker 2: It certainly was up next, ladies and gentlemen, who the

1537
01:18:07,093 --> 01:18:08,972
Speaker 2: new Zealander of the week.

1538
01:18:09,053 --> 01:18:11,692
Speaker 3: Who will it be? The panel has been thinking about

1539
01:18:11,692 --> 01:18:14,132
Speaker 3: this long and hard and has made that decision.

1540
01:18:14,173 --> 01:18:16,492
Speaker 2: I think, well, I'm anxious. Who's it going to be?

1541
01:18:16,612 --> 01:18:19,253
Speaker 3: That is huge? This is huge new sport and weather

1542
01:18:19,572 --> 01:18:24,892
Speaker 3: on its way. The new Zealander of the Week.

1543
01:18:30,893 --> 01:18:35,213
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insateful and entertaining. Talk It's Mattie

1544
01:18:35,452 --> 01:18:39,293
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk zebby.

1545
01:18:40,333 --> 01:18:43,293
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Happy Friday to you, Welcome back into the show.

1546
01:18:43,372 --> 01:18:47,053
Speaker 3: Seven past three. Coming up very shortly, we want to

1547
01:18:47,093 --> 01:18:51,052
Speaker 3: have a chat to you about the ultimate sleep Tips.

1548
01:18:51,093 --> 01:18:53,093
Speaker 3: There's a great article in the Hero, but we're gonna

1549
01:18:53,093 --> 01:18:55,852
Speaker 3: have a chat about sleep. How to get to sleep

1550
01:18:55,853 --> 01:18:57,572
Speaker 3: when your thoughts are racing and hard to wake up

1551
01:18:57,612 --> 01:19:01,132
Speaker 3: feeling refreshed. That is coming up very shortly, but right now.

1552
01:19:01,893 --> 01:19:04,812
Speaker 2: Every Friday I met in Tyler afternoons on zeb we

1553
01:19:04,893 --> 01:19:06,732
Speaker 2: name the New Zealander of the Week in honor that

1554
01:19:06,772 --> 01:19:09,213
Speaker 2: we bestow on your behalf to newsmaker who has had

1555
01:19:09,213 --> 01:19:12,452
Speaker 2: an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over

1556
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:15,372
Speaker 2: the previous week. As always, there'll be three nominees, but

1557
01:19:15,492 --> 01:19:18,253
Speaker 2: there can be only one winner, So, without further ado,

1558
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,372
Speaker 2: the nominees for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of

1559
01:19:21,412 --> 01:19:24,412
Speaker 2: the Week are nomine one also gets the Queen's Down

1560
01:19:24,412 --> 01:19:27,093
Speaker 2: of the North Reward. Twenty seven thousand years ago, a

1561
01:19:27,173 --> 01:19:29,492
Speaker 2: volcano blew up and left a massive wet hole in

1562
01:19:29,532 --> 01:19:32,093
Speaker 2: the middle of the North Island. This weekend, the supercars

1563
01:19:32,133 --> 01:19:34,892
Speaker 2: will be ripping that same general area a new one

1564
01:19:35,133 --> 01:19:37,572
Speaker 2: and it's going to be freaking' awesome. I'll be down there.

1565
01:19:37,973 --> 01:19:41,572
Speaker 2: Love the topor love the v eights Topau Supercars. You

1566
01:19:41,652 --> 01:19:46,132
Speaker 2: have been nominated for New Zealander of the Week. Nominety

1567
01:19:46,173 --> 01:19:47,892
Speaker 2: two also gets the Fannish Shmeller Award.

1568
01:19:47,973 --> 01:19:50,612
Speaker 1: We're gonna make a rule now again.

1569
01:19:52,372 --> 01:19:54,092
Speaker 2: I'll be straight down the cour in the morning.

1570
01:19:54,133 --> 01:19:54,932
Speaker 1: If that was my note?

1571
01:19:54,973 --> 01:19:57,172
Speaker 2: Where you from? What do you do for a crust?

1572
01:19:57,333 --> 01:19:59,932
Speaker 2: What do you do to relax? It's New Zealand's favorite

1573
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:02,213
Speaker 2: TV show. Two thirds of us watched it last year.

1574
01:20:02,293 --> 01:20:04,973
Speaker 2: Now we're doing our own Kiwi version. Well kind of

1575
01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:07,293
Speaker 2: the Chase. New Zealand is being shot in Australia and

1576
01:20:07,372 --> 01:20:10,253
Speaker 2: in a shockingly dingy mood. If you think you're smart

1577
01:20:10,333 --> 01:20:12,652
Speaker 2: enough and you want to be a contestant. You have

1578
01:20:12,732 --> 01:20:14,932
Speaker 2: to pay for your own ACM and flights to Sydney,

1579
01:20:14,933 --> 01:20:17,852
Speaker 2: which is rough as you generally win absolutely no money

1580
01:20:17,853 --> 01:20:20,173
Speaker 2: for your efforts. Anyway. It could be great like the

1581
01:20:20,253 --> 01:20:22,213
Speaker 2: UK one or not so great like the Aussie one,

1582
01:20:22,333 --> 01:20:26,013
Speaker 2: but either way the chase New Zealand, you cheap bastards.

1583
01:20:26,173 --> 01:20:29,452
Speaker 2: You are nominated for New Zealander of the Week, all.

1584
01:20:29,452 --> 01:20:30,652
Speaker 3: Right, but.

1585
01:20:32,133 --> 01:20:35,372
Speaker 2: There can be only one who Right here we go.

1586
01:20:35,652 --> 01:20:38,732
Speaker 2: The winner also gets the dish Lickor Award. They're beautiful

1587
01:20:38,772 --> 01:20:41,412
Speaker 2: and they're fast and amazingly, they are rated the second

1588
01:20:41,452 --> 01:20:44,612
Speaker 2: best apartment dwelling dog in the world. Good news, three

1589
01:20:44,652 --> 01:20:46,972
Speaker 2: thousand of them are becoming unemployed and need a home.

1590
01:20:47,253 --> 01:20:50,052
Speaker 2: And get this, many of them won't even kill every

1591
01:20:50,093 --> 01:20:52,812
Speaker 2: cat they see for working so hard to find homes

1592
01:20:52,812 --> 01:20:57,372
Speaker 2: for these beautiful skinny beasts Greyhounds. Aspets dot org dot

1593
01:20:57,412 --> 01:21:01,412
Speaker 2: in z. You are the Matt and Tyler Afternoons New

1594
01:21:01,532 --> 01:21:05,933
Speaker 2: Zealanders of the week who catch yourself.

1595
01:21:05,492 --> 01:21:06,253
Speaker 3: A dish like a.

1596
01:21:11,893 --> 01:21:12,452
Speaker 1: Good dockey.

1597
01:21:12,652 --> 01:21:18,652
Speaker 3: Good dockys. If you've got a greyhound standing by, man,

1598
01:21:18,692 --> 01:21:20,133
Speaker 3: it's really keen to chat with one.

1599
01:21:20,213 --> 01:21:21,652
Speaker 2: Alex, Welcome to the show.

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01:21:21,772 --> 01:21:22,492
Speaker 21: I got the.

1601
01:21:22,492 --> 01:21:24,612
Speaker 4: Greyhound I'm going to try and full to one of

1602
01:21:24,612 --> 01:21:25,212
Speaker 4: your wishes.

1603
01:21:25,253 --> 01:21:25,452
Speaker 7: Matt.

1604
01:21:25,612 --> 01:21:27,372
Speaker 5: First off, twigging tweets.

1605
01:21:27,452 --> 01:21:29,492
Speaker 7: It's a see the celebrity on the phone.

1606
01:21:30,772 --> 01:21:35,092
Speaker 2: That's a compliment one talks at Dave Winston.

1607
01:21:35,213 --> 01:21:37,852
Speaker 1: They are wonderful Matt and Tyler.

1608
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:42,053
Speaker 3: Well deserved fantastic winner this week. Is it always is?

1609
01:21:42,133 --> 01:21:47,493
Speaker 3: So well done to the judging panel. I've got to say, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah.

1610
01:21:48,532 --> 01:21:50,612
Speaker 2: Just looks good dogs doggies next.

1611
01:21:50,612 --> 01:21:52,932
Speaker 3: Very good dockies. Right, let's have a chat about sleep.

1612
01:21:52,933 --> 01:21:54,772
Speaker 3: So a great article in the Herald about eight ways

1613
01:21:54,812 --> 01:21:56,892
Speaker 3: to sleep when your thoughts are racing, and sleep has

1614
01:21:56,933 --> 01:21:59,372
Speaker 3: been a massive thing over the past few years. It

1615
01:21:59,452 --> 01:22:01,372
Speaker 3: used to be, you know, the old hustle culture and

1616
01:22:01,412 --> 01:22:03,852
Speaker 3: we envy those who could live on five hours of sleep,

1617
01:22:03,973 --> 01:22:07,093
Speaker 3: but I reckon that's starting to change. And as we

1618
01:22:07,173 --> 01:22:09,053
Speaker 3: go through some of these tips on the best way

1619
01:22:09,093 --> 01:22:12,133
Speaker 3: to get to sleep when your heart is racing or

1620
01:22:12,173 --> 01:22:14,053
Speaker 3: thoughts are racing. But we want to open it up

1621
01:22:14,053 --> 01:22:16,053
Speaker 3: to you, and the question we want to put to

1622
01:22:16,093 --> 01:22:18,213
Speaker 3: you is what is the best thing you have done

1623
01:22:18,253 --> 01:22:21,412
Speaker 3: to improve your own sleep? Mate, you're a massive sleep hero.

1624
01:22:21,772 --> 01:22:23,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I'd decided to become a sleep champion

1625
01:22:23,732 --> 01:22:27,053
Speaker 2: this year finally sort out my sleeping situation. And I

1626
01:22:27,173 --> 01:22:30,093
Speaker 2: did it by getting a I got this like a

1627
01:22:30,133 --> 01:22:33,732
Speaker 2: sleep mask, these beautiful wool sleep marks masks from kind

1628
01:22:33,772 --> 01:22:37,013
Speaker 2: Faces Curious It made in New Zealand, and they just

1629
01:22:37,053 --> 01:22:40,253
Speaker 2: sit so nicely on your face. I also put two

1630
01:22:40,293 --> 01:22:44,052
Speaker 2: little ear plugs in and also run blackout curtains because

1631
01:22:44,093 --> 01:22:47,093
Speaker 2: I believe the best way to sleep is to just

1632
01:22:47,293 --> 01:22:51,253
Speaker 2: have zero light or audio input. And then now I

1633
01:22:51,293 --> 01:22:54,492
Speaker 2: just sleep right through. And it has been so good.

1634
01:22:54,572 --> 01:22:57,133
Speaker 2: It has absolutely changed my life. Whatever you're trying to

1635
01:22:57,173 --> 01:22:59,772
Speaker 2: do in your life, it is better if you have

1636
01:22:59,933 --> 01:23:03,052
Speaker 2: more sleep. If you're trying to achieve stuff in life,

1637
01:23:03,093 --> 01:23:05,013
Speaker 2: if you're trying to achieve stuff in your business, if

1638
01:23:05,013 --> 01:23:08,732
Speaker 2: you're stressed, if you're trying to lose weight, if you're

1639
01:23:08,732 --> 01:23:10,293
Speaker 2: trying to be healthy in any way, if you're trying

1640
01:23:10,293 --> 01:23:12,412
Speaker 2: to put on muscle, whatever you're trying to do, if

1641
01:23:12,412 --> 01:23:15,132
Speaker 2: you're trying to be a better partner, a a better parent,

1642
01:23:16,173 --> 01:23:18,213
Speaker 2: or anything you want to do is better in life

1643
01:23:18,213 --> 01:23:21,652
Speaker 2: with sleep. So eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, If

1644
01:23:21,692 --> 01:23:24,612
Speaker 2: you have solved your sleeping problems, how did you do it?

1645
01:23:24,612 --> 01:23:27,093
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear from you, because every week there's

1646
01:23:27,093 --> 01:23:28,972
Speaker 2: two articles in the hero It I'd say on sleep.

1647
01:23:29,053 --> 01:23:29,613
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1648
01:23:29,933 --> 01:23:32,852
Speaker 2: And there's so many different different things that I tried

1649
01:23:32,893 --> 01:23:35,692
Speaker 2: over the years, and finally what it was was just

1650
01:23:35,772 --> 01:23:41,412
Speaker 2: these kind face masks. They just they just just sorted

1651
01:23:41,412 --> 01:23:41,732
Speaker 2: it out.

1652
01:23:41,812 --> 01:23:43,812
Speaker 3: It sounds laxurious, Does it not feel like a little

1653
01:23:43,853 --> 01:23:45,852
Speaker 3: bit claustrophobic or no?

1654
01:23:46,093 --> 01:23:49,052
Speaker 2: No, No, it's I think the fact that it's pure

1655
01:23:49,133 --> 01:23:51,732
Speaker 2: New Zealand wool. It feels nice to have it on

1656
01:23:52,333 --> 01:23:53,852
Speaker 2: your face. Because I've tried those ones that you get

1657
01:23:53,853 --> 01:23:56,492
Speaker 2: on planes and stuff, those little silky ones. It wasn't

1658
01:23:56,492 --> 01:23:58,852
Speaker 2: the same. There's a bit of substance to it. And

1659
01:23:58,893 --> 01:24:00,852
Speaker 2: then I just put two cheap little ear plugs in

1660
01:24:00,893 --> 01:24:05,932
Speaker 2: my ears. Boom my sleep for seven hours straight, no problems.

1661
01:24:05,973 --> 01:24:07,732
Speaker 2: You've got full noise on this. So you've got the

1662
01:24:07,732 --> 01:24:10,972
Speaker 2: blackout burdens. Then you've got the blackout sleep mask. There

1663
01:24:11,013 --> 01:24:14,532
Speaker 2: is no sunlight getting anywhere near your corners. Yeah. And

1664
01:24:15,093 --> 01:24:16,972
Speaker 2: my partner she gets up to for the gym most

1665
01:24:17,013 --> 01:24:20,772
Speaker 2: mornings really early, like five o'clock, and that used to

1666
01:24:20,812 --> 01:24:22,892
Speaker 2: wake me up, but now I'm like, I wake up

1667
01:24:22,933 --> 01:24:24,293
Speaker 2: and I put my hand out to find that where

1668
01:24:24,333 --> 01:24:26,532
Speaker 2: she is. I don't even haven't even heard that she's gone.

1669
01:24:26,812 --> 01:24:28,133
Speaker 3: You got Italian in the bedroom?

1670
01:24:28,253 --> 01:24:29,732
Speaker 2: No, you got to get rid of the Tali.

1671
01:24:30,093 --> 01:24:31,412
Speaker 3: There's a big one. You can't eve it. Tally in

1672
01:24:31,452 --> 01:24:31,852
Speaker 3: the bedroom.

1673
01:24:31,853 --> 01:24:32,972
Speaker 2: Get rid of Italian in the bedroom.

1674
01:24:32,973 --> 01:24:35,532
Speaker 3: You know, also a killer of romance. The Italian the

1675
01:24:35,532 --> 01:24:38,133
Speaker 3: bedroom sometimes tends what you're watching? Yeah, I wait. One

1676
01:24:38,173 --> 01:24:41,612
Speaker 3: hundred eighty is the number to call? What was the

1677
01:24:41,652 --> 01:24:44,372
Speaker 3: best thing you did to improve your sleep? Love to

1678
01:24:44,412 --> 01:24:49,053
Speaker 3: hear from you. It is thirteen past three, good afternoon.

1679
01:24:49,412 --> 01:24:52,333
Speaker 3: We are talking about the best ways to get back

1680
01:24:52,372 --> 01:24:54,732
Speaker 3: to sleep if your thoughts are racing. It's an article

1681
01:24:54,732 --> 01:24:56,572
Speaker 3: in the Hero. But the question we've asked is what

1682
01:24:56,652 --> 01:24:59,213
Speaker 3: is the best thing you did to improve your own sleep?

1683
01:25:00,133 --> 01:25:01,652
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighties to number to call?

1684
01:25:01,732 --> 01:25:04,532
Speaker 3: Get a Richard Well on the show? What do you

1685
01:25:04,692 --> 01:25:07,333
Speaker 3: do to get to sleep and to get back of sleep?

1686
01:25:08,372 --> 01:25:12,532
Speaker 4: Yeah? Now, meditation takes every night, never miss Yeah on YouTube?

1687
01:25:15,173 --> 01:25:17,772
Speaker 3: Oh Richard, we just lost you. Sorry, start from I

1688
01:25:17,772 --> 01:25:20,093
Speaker 3: think we got you back. I'll tell you what, Richard,

1689
01:25:20,133 --> 01:25:20,772
Speaker 3: do you want.

1690
01:25:20,612 --> 01:25:21,093
Speaker 13: To are you?

1691
01:25:21,253 --> 01:25:25,492
Speaker 3: Are you on to speaker phone at the moment We're

1692
01:25:25,492 --> 01:25:27,452
Speaker 3: going to put you back to Andrew. You just told

1693
01:25:27,452 --> 01:25:28,972
Speaker 3: there Richard, and we'll come back to you. We'll see

1694
01:25:28,973 --> 01:25:30,612
Speaker 3: if we can sort out that phone line.

1695
01:25:30,732 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 2: Well, what's your secret for a good night's sleep? All right,

1696
01:25:35,093 --> 01:25:39,412
Speaker 2: well we're giving major dramas with their phones now, Okay,

1697
01:25:39,452 --> 01:25:46,692
Speaker 2: here we go, Peeter, come on better, come on, Yeah.

1698
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:52,133
Speaker 17: I got have me tell you Friday to your boys.

1699
01:25:53,732 --> 01:25:56,293
Speaker 17: I do a couple of routines. I make sure my

1700
01:25:56,372 --> 01:25:59,932
Speaker 17: body temperature is where I want it to be. If

1701
01:25:59,933 --> 01:26:03,132
Speaker 17: I'm too hot, I wan for sleep and it's too cold,

1702
01:26:03,213 --> 01:26:06,452
Speaker 17: so you know, kind of pop and change between a

1703
01:26:06,532 --> 01:26:10,933
Speaker 17: hot shower and a cold shower. I also listened to

1704
01:26:11,013 --> 01:26:15,532
Speaker 17: stand up comedy before as I'm laying down because it

1705
01:26:15,652 --> 01:26:16,572
Speaker 17: puts me to sleep.

1706
01:26:18,173 --> 01:26:20,773
Speaker 2: So do you have to listen to bad stand up comedians?

1707
01:26:20,853 --> 01:26:23,372
Speaker 2: Or does good? Does good? A good one puts you

1708
01:26:23,412 --> 01:26:26,133
Speaker 2: to sleep as well.

1709
01:26:26,173 --> 01:26:28,852
Speaker 17: I'm kind of listening to in Bag at the moment.

1710
01:26:29,372 --> 01:26:33,732
Speaker 17: I'm finding his his ideal with you know, crowd work,

1711
01:26:33,853 --> 01:26:36,372
Speaker 17: but I never get to the end of a set.

1712
01:26:36,812 --> 01:26:37,972
Speaker 17: I'm gone before then.

1713
01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:41,572
Speaker 3: But I haven't heard of it. He's a Canadian guy.

1714
01:26:42,412 --> 01:26:46,412
Speaker 17: Yeah, well no, he's an Australian Canadian guy. He's very

1715
01:26:46,692 --> 01:26:49,372
Speaker 17: very funny. I find it funny. But and the other

1716
01:26:49,412 --> 01:26:54,053
Speaker 17: thing I do is my dear drop curtains are my eyelids.

1717
01:26:54,452 --> 01:26:59,212
Speaker 17: Sleep with my curtains open, and I have zero problems

1718
01:26:59,213 --> 01:27:01,532
Speaker 17: with light. Really true?

1719
01:27:02,053 --> 01:27:04,812
Speaker 2: So what do you think you think you've got? You've

1720
01:27:04,812 --> 01:27:11,093
Speaker 2: got thicker eye eyelids than most.

1721
01:27:08,772 --> 01:27:11,732
Speaker 17: Close your eyes right now, Matt, what do you see see?

1722
01:27:12,173 --> 01:27:13,053
Speaker 2: There's still some light?

1723
01:27:13,133 --> 01:27:14,173
Speaker 3: I'm getting some light through.

1724
01:27:14,412 --> 01:27:16,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you've got.

1725
01:27:17,053 --> 01:27:18,692
Speaker 3: You're almost like an xman or something, Petter.

1726
01:27:20,013 --> 01:27:22,852
Speaker 17: Have you that must be that extra cot of that

1727
01:27:23,372 --> 01:27:26,053
Speaker 17: one eyebrows just kind of dropped the lower.

1728
01:27:26,253 --> 01:27:30,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you go, Petter.

1729
01:27:31,893 --> 01:27:35,053
Speaker 17: I just say, since well before daylight, I said, I

1730
01:27:35,093 --> 01:27:39,133
Speaker 17: haven't closed my curtains at all. Right, even I just

1731
01:27:39,253 --> 01:27:42,492
Speaker 17: sleep when the curtains open. I have zero problems giving

1732
01:27:42,532 --> 01:27:43,653
Speaker 17: a good eight hours.

1733
01:27:44,053 --> 01:27:46,172
Speaker 2: Any do you have any peeping time problems?

1734
01:27:48,532 --> 01:27:54,173
Speaker 17: They want to see planetaryum eclipses, then they can look

1735
01:27:54,213 --> 01:27:54,692
Speaker 17: in the window.

1736
01:27:54,692 --> 01:27:58,412
Speaker 3: Who they want a bit of all natral when you

1737
01:27:58,412 --> 01:27:59,333
Speaker 3: sleep as well, Petter.

1738
01:28:01,213 --> 01:28:03,173
Speaker 17: It's all about body temperature.

1739
01:28:02,732 --> 01:28:06,972
Speaker 2: That's my Yeah, before that you want that you want

1740
01:28:06,973 --> 01:28:09,852
Speaker 2: to lower your body temperature to go to sleep? Is

1741
01:28:09,853 --> 01:28:13,412
Speaker 2: that right? I think I think it's like the room

1742
01:28:13,452 --> 01:28:17,333
Speaker 2: temperature that's idealis eighteen degrees. But if you lower your

1743
01:28:17,333 --> 01:28:21,253
Speaker 2: body tensure by a cold shower or even increase your

1744
01:28:21,253 --> 01:28:24,692
Speaker 2: body temperature, I think a body temperature changed really helps.

1745
01:28:24,772 --> 01:28:26,452
Speaker 3: Don't They say that if you have a hot shower

1746
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:28,372
Speaker 3: just before you go to bed, that's bad for you.

1747
01:28:28,452 --> 01:28:30,293
Speaker 3: But if you have a hot shower an hour before

1748
01:28:30,772 --> 01:28:32,532
Speaker 3: and then naturally let your body cool down.

1749
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:35,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the cooling down. Yeah, that that does it?

1750
01:28:35,532 --> 01:28:35,692
Speaker 5: Well?

1751
01:28:35,732 --> 01:28:39,412
Speaker 2: Thank you. If you call Peter and congratulations on your big, thick,

1752
01:28:39,732 --> 01:28:41,052
Speaker 2: livery eyelids.

1753
01:28:41,213 --> 01:28:44,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight one hundred eighty ten. I don't know what

1754
01:28:44,492 --> 01:28:46,013
Speaker 3: to say to that. Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten

1755
01:28:46,053 --> 01:28:48,253
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. I'd love to hear.

1756
01:28:48,532 --> 01:28:51,173
Speaker 3: What was the best thing you did to improve your sleep?

1757
01:28:51,213 --> 01:28:52,372
Speaker 3: It is nineteen past.

1758
01:28:52,133 --> 01:29:00,133
Speaker 1: Three, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh, eight hundred

1759
01:29:00,213 --> 01:29:02,372
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used talk ZB.

1760
01:29:02,452 --> 01:29:04,492
Speaker 3: Twenty one past three. What was the best thing you

1761
01:29:04,492 --> 01:29:07,692
Speaker 3: did to improve your sleep? Nice ticks here for Michelle

1762
01:29:07,973 --> 01:29:10,892
Speaker 3: Michelle Giddy. Guys, I'm super lucky. My man rubs my

1763
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:14,293
Speaker 3: feet at night. Love him sends me to sleep every time.

1764
01:29:14,333 --> 01:29:15,133
Speaker 3: And I sleep all night.

1765
01:29:15,652 --> 01:29:19,333
Speaker 2: Wow, good sex life gives a good night sleep. That's

1766
01:29:19,333 --> 01:29:21,012
Speaker 2: from Ben. Ye, good on your Ben.

1767
01:29:21,253 --> 01:29:22,133
Speaker 3: Nice work, Ben.

1768
01:29:22,652 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 2: Someone's a lucky You're lucky lucky lady.

1769
01:29:26,213 --> 01:29:32,532
Speaker 3: Guys. Magnesium works. Just watch the dosage from Christian Uh Richard,

1770
01:29:32,652 --> 01:29:36,692
Speaker 3: I think we've got your back now. Yeah. Perfect, and

1771
01:29:36,732 --> 01:29:37,692
Speaker 3: you're pulled over for us.

1772
01:29:38,692 --> 01:29:42,652
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. Yeah, No, it's pretty simple. Of the years.

1773
01:29:42,732 --> 01:29:46,492
Speaker 4: I jump on YouTube and this hundreds maybe thousands of

1774
01:29:47,333 --> 01:29:51,013
Speaker 4: self hypnosis meditation tapes. You can pick what you want

1775
01:29:51,173 --> 01:29:53,812
Speaker 4: and you just that's it. You're gone.

1776
01:29:55,093 --> 01:29:58,932
Speaker 3: And when you say meditation tapes, this is like cassette tapes.

1777
01:29:58,933 --> 01:30:00,452
Speaker 3: So you listen on your phone.

1778
01:30:00,853 --> 01:30:04,852
Speaker 4: On your phone. Yeah. Yeah.

1779
01:30:06,053 --> 01:30:08,013
Speaker 3: When Richard said tapes, you know, that took me back

1780
01:30:08,013 --> 01:30:09,492
Speaker 3: to the old days. I thought you might just have

1781
01:30:09,532 --> 01:30:11,932
Speaker 3: had a library of cassette tapes ready to go, Richard.

1782
01:30:12,013 --> 01:30:14,732
Speaker 3: But carry on, No, I haven't got you.

1783
01:30:14,933 --> 01:30:17,892
Speaker 4: Nowadays, you can go on to that. I just I've

1784
01:30:18,013 --> 01:30:20,333
Speaker 4: just you can go on to YouTube and then there's

1785
01:30:20,412 --> 01:30:23,892
Speaker 4: hundreds of them and you can pick, you know, all

1786
01:30:23,933 --> 01:30:27,612
Speaker 4: sorts of different subjects, but basically someone talking to you

1787
01:30:27,732 --> 01:30:29,293
Speaker 4: nicely taking it down to your own.

1788
01:30:31,133 --> 01:30:33,772
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these are these the Are these the story

1789
01:30:33,853 --> 01:30:37,213
Speaker 2: ones Richard, or are they specific sleep meditations?

1790
01:30:38,013 --> 01:30:38,173
Speaker 16: Oh?

1791
01:30:38,253 --> 01:30:40,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of sleep a lot of them.

1792
01:30:40,532 --> 01:30:42,852
Speaker 23: There's hundreds of them, like what you know to get

1793
01:30:42,933 --> 01:30:46,092
Speaker 23: you to sleep, and there's healing and there's all sorts

1794
01:30:46,133 --> 01:30:49,972
Speaker 23: of stuff you know, mas visualization, but whatever it is,

1795
01:30:50,372 --> 01:30:51,213
Speaker 23: it's just keets it.

1796
01:30:51,213 --> 01:30:53,852
Speaker 4: Down to that zone where you just gone. That's it.

1797
01:30:56,213 --> 01:30:57,892
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just trying to think because there were

1798
01:30:57,933 --> 01:31:00,532
Speaker 3: some celebrity voices that I just can't recall. I've tried

1799
01:31:00,572 --> 01:31:03,092
Speaker 3: to google, but I've seen those pop up, those stories

1800
01:31:03,253 --> 01:31:05,932
Speaker 3: and quite well known names that would you know, as

1801
01:31:05,973 --> 01:31:08,852
Speaker 3: you say, take you through a meadow or hang out

1802
01:31:08,893 --> 01:31:09,572
Speaker 3: down at the beach.

1803
01:31:10,572 --> 01:31:13,892
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael Steele is a couple of Arsie ones that are.

1804
01:31:14,293 --> 01:31:16,053
Speaker 4: But there's hundreds of them on there and they are

1805
01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:16,772
Speaker 4: different ones.

1806
01:31:17,213 --> 01:31:19,532
Speaker 2: Are you good on you, Richard?

1807
01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:20,412
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1808
01:31:20,572 --> 01:31:23,173
Speaker 2: Sorry, no you continue?

1809
01:31:23,652 --> 01:31:26,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's I mean to me, I just well

1810
01:31:26,333 --> 01:31:28,213
Speaker 4: that's what I do every night for years.

1811
01:31:28,452 --> 01:31:31,612
Speaker 2: Well, brilliant, good on you, Richard. Yoga and nidra is

1812
01:31:32,293 --> 01:31:37,173
Speaker 2: there's some yoga Nira sleep meditations out there which just

1813
01:31:37,213 --> 01:31:40,452
Speaker 2: sort of makes you, you know, think about every part

1814
01:31:40,452 --> 01:31:42,892
Speaker 2: of your body. But for some reason, it doesn't work

1815
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:45,812
Speaker 2: for me those kind of things. What's the needrapart is well,

1816
01:31:45,853 --> 01:31:48,093
Speaker 2: that's just that's just the word for it. Oh the

1817
01:31:48,133 --> 01:31:53,333
Speaker 2: style of yoga, yeah, yoga, Nira Yeah, yeah. That their

1818
01:31:53,333 --> 01:31:56,492
Speaker 2: body temperature things really interesting. I'll actually share some information

1819
01:31:56,572 --> 01:32:00,572
Speaker 2: on that. I've locked it up. Dropping your body temperature

1820
01:32:00,572 --> 01:32:01,652
Speaker 2: to sleep, it's very interesting.

1821
01:32:02,053 --> 01:32:05,333
Speaker 3: Sally says. Guys love the show. I moved into my

1822
01:32:05,372 --> 01:32:09,492
Speaker 3: home beards laugh out loud. It was the best decision

1823
01:32:09,492 --> 01:32:11,452
Speaker 3: I've made to get the best night's sleep. That is,

1824
01:32:12,492 --> 01:32:16,133
Speaker 3: I can understand that. But that's a risky move relationship.

1825
01:32:16,133 --> 01:32:19,452
Speaker 2: I've been running into more and more people recently who

1826
01:32:19,692 --> 01:32:23,012
Speaker 2: are abandoning the marital bed, not to jump into someone

1827
01:32:23,013 --> 01:32:27,973
Speaker 2: else's marital bed or good terrifying, but just so they

1828
01:32:28,013 --> 01:32:32,973
Speaker 2: sleep better snorers and and I listerally have talked to

1829
01:32:33,053 --> 01:32:35,572
Speaker 2: three people, three couples in recently. Just one of those

1830
01:32:35,612 --> 01:32:37,412
Speaker 2: things where you stay getting a topic and it comes

1831
01:32:37,492 --> 01:32:40,293
Speaker 2: up a lot, and they all swear by it, and

1832
01:32:40,333 --> 01:32:43,932
Speaker 2: they say amorous activities continuing at the same rate, even

1833
01:32:44,013 --> 01:32:47,012
Speaker 2: more because they're not disgusted by each other and angry

1834
01:32:47,053 --> 01:32:50,013
Speaker 2: all the time. The ones that are most happier when

1835
01:32:50,053 --> 01:32:53,412
Speaker 2: they are like the people moving into single beds and rooms.

1836
01:32:53,492 --> 01:32:57,133
Speaker 2: This is old school that's happening, and it sounds suppressing,

1837
01:32:57,692 --> 01:33:00,293
Speaker 2: But the people that do it swear by it. You know,

1838
01:33:00,372 --> 01:33:02,452
Speaker 2: you just invite your partner over to your single bed

1839
01:33:02,452 --> 01:33:05,133
Speaker 2: when the time's right. But the ones that have moved

1840
01:33:05,133 --> 01:33:09,172
Speaker 2: into different rooms permanently, they are and the happiest.

1841
01:33:09,372 --> 01:33:11,532
Speaker 3: That's the way to go. So separate rooms and you

1842
01:33:11,572 --> 01:33:13,213
Speaker 3: can still have your queen or your king.

1843
01:33:13,293 --> 01:33:15,293
Speaker 2: Because if you're trying to run your own sleep pattern

1844
01:33:15,692 --> 01:33:18,492
Speaker 2: yourself and there's someone else trying to run what they're

1845
01:33:18,532 --> 01:33:20,532
Speaker 2: doing with their sleep and they're having a bad sleep,

1846
01:33:20,572 --> 01:33:22,093
Speaker 2: you're having a good sleep. If you really want to

1847
01:33:22,133 --> 01:33:26,333
Speaker 2: sleep really, really well, yeah, then sometimes being in the

1848
01:33:26,372 --> 01:33:28,293
Speaker 2: bed with another human being isn't the best way to

1849
01:33:28,333 --> 01:33:28,532
Speaker 2: do it.

1850
01:33:28,532 --> 01:33:30,732
Speaker 3: Well, let's open that up. I Waite hundred eighty ten eighty.

1851
01:33:30,732 --> 01:33:33,572
Speaker 3: If you sleep in different beds to your partner, your husband,

1852
01:33:33,572 --> 01:33:35,852
Speaker 3: your wife, love to hear from you. Is it working,

1853
01:33:36,013 --> 01:33:39,532
Speaker 3: do you swear by it? And has it had any

1854
01:33:40,412 --> 01:33:44,093
Speaker 3: unforeseen changes to the relationship. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1855
01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:46,572
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call Headlines with Raylene coming up.

1856
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:47,812
Speaker 3: It's twenty six past.

1857
01:33:47,612 --> 01:33:53,812
Speaker 1: Three you talk, sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxing.

1858
01:33:54,093 --> 01:33:57,092
Speaker 16: It's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister's

1859
01:33:57,093 --> 01:34:00,253
Speaker 16: spoken publicly for the first time after ACT Leader David

1860
01:34:00,293 --> 01:34:04,412
Speaker 16: Seymour's Treaty Principles Bill and was scrapped by Parliament. MP's

1861
01:34:04,492 --> 01:34:07,732
Speaker 16: voted yesterday to get rid of the contentious bill. Only

1862
01:34:07,812 --> 01:34:11,212
Speaker 16: Act vote to progress it. Chris Lukson says New Zealanders

1863
01:34:11,253 --> 01:34:16,413
Speaker 16: are over it. Further strikes for medical lab workers APEX,

1864
01:34:16,452 --> 01:34:20,093
Speaker 16: which represents workers at AWANUI and Medlab, says more than

1865
01:34:20,133 --> 01:34:23,852
Speaker 16: one hundred thousand tests won't be done between Easter Monday

1866
01:34:23,933 --> 01:34:28,652
Speaker 16: and Anzac Day Friday. Human error is being blamed for

1867
01:34:28,732 --> 01:34:33,612
Speaker 16: a botched IVF treatment in Australia. Monash IVF and Brisbane

1868
01:34:33,612 --> 01:34:37,852
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1869
01:34:37,853 --> 01:34:41,052
Speaker 16: the wrong person and a baby was born as a result.

1870
01:34:42,013 --> 01:34:45,333
Speaker 16: A community mental health and addictions facility has opened in

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01:34:45,452 --> 01:34:49,612
Speaker 16: Farga da Manaia House will consolidate what was previously spread

1872
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Speaker 16: across four locations. The government's invested nineteen and a half

1873
01:34:53,133 --> 01:34:56,892
Speaker 16: million dollars into the project. Do you often find it

1874
01:34:56,973 --> 01:35:00,333
Speaker 16: hard to wake up in the morning? These tips may help.

1875
01:35:00,612 --> 01:35:03,253
Speaker 16: You can read more at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back

1876
01:35:03,293 --> 01:35:04,772
Speaker 16: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1877
01:35:04,812 --> 01:35:07,452
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylean, and we are talking about

1878
01:35:07,492 --> 01:35:09,933
Speaker 3: the best the you did to improve your sleep and

1879
01:35:09,933 --> 01:35:12,452
Speaker 3: something that popped up. It was a text that came through,

1880
01:35:12,532 --> 01:35:14,932
Speaker 3: and more and more texts are coming through on this.

1881
01:35:15,253 --> 01:35:18,652
Speaker 3: Sleeping in separate beds so sometimes called a sleep divorce

1882
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:22,052
Speaker 3: and is becoming increasingly common among couples seeking to improve

1883
01:35:22,692 --> 01:35:25,892
Speaker 3: sleep quality and overall well being, addressing issues like as

1884
01:35:25,893 --> 01:35:29,652
Speaker 3: you said, snoring, different sleep schedules, or simply a preference

1885
01:35:29,652 --> 01:35:34,452
Speaker 3: for a personal space. So, according to research done into

1886
01:35:34,452 --> 01:35:38,452
Speaker 3: what has been called sleep divorce, while it might seem counterintuitive,

1887
01:35:38,572 --> 01:35:42,932
Speaker 3: sleeping separately can sometimes lead to stronger relationships by reducing

1888
01:35:42,933 --> 01:35:46,333
Speaker 3: stress and improving overall well being, as well as allowing

1889
01:35:46,372 --> 01:35:49,013
Speaker 3: for more time for individual activities and reflections.

1890
01:35:49,213 --> 01:35:52,333
Speaker 2: Yes, so many people are testing through that have moved

1891
01:35:52,333 --> 01:35:54,652
Speaker 2: into other rooms and moved into other beds. I think

1892
01:35:55,013 --> 01:35:57,973
Speaker 2: I would feel like the going into the shop and

1893
01:35:57,973 --> 01:36:01,012
Speaker 2: buying the two single beds for the same room would

1894
01:36:01,053 --> 01:36:04,812
Speaker 2: be too humiligating your Burt and earning it's up, Burt.

1895
01:36:05,093 --> 01:36:07,293
Speaker 2: I can't sleep, Burt you know that kind of situation.

1896
01:36:07,532 --> 01:36:08,933
Speaker 2: I don't think you want to be involved in a

1897
01:36:08,933 --> 01:36:11,293
Speaker 2: Bert Nerney situation and a.

1898
01:36:11,293 --> 01:36:14,532
Speaker 3: Couple and then that all eving to push them together.

1899
01:36:14,572 --> 01:36:16,532
Speaker 3: If you want to have some you know, a bit

1900
01:36:16,532 --> 01:36:17,173
Speaker 3: a sixy time.

1901
01:36:17,333 --> 01:36:18,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to do it on the bed,

1902
01:36:18,973 --> 01:36:23,692
Speaker 2: but different rooms. For some reason, that seems cooler for me.

1903
01:36:23,732 --> 01:36:25,293
Speaker 2: If you if your kids move out and you suddenly

1904
01:36:25,293 --> 01:36:26,772
Speaker 2: got a whole lot of spear rooms in the house,

1905
01:36:27,213 --> 01:36:29,333
Speaker 2: then one takes one room, one takes the other room.

1906
01:36:29,372 --> 01:36:30,892
Speaker 2: Maybe you could have three rooms. You could have the

1907
01:36:31,053 --> 01:36:33,293
Speaker 2: two sleeping rooms and the Amoris room.

1908
01:36:33,973 --> 01:36:34,852
Speaker 3: I like this out of that.

1909
01:36:36,692 --> 01:36:38,612
Speaker 2: So we are you sleeping to I might just stop

1910
01:36:38,652 --> 01:36:41,253
Speaker 2: off in the the Amoris room before I go into

1911
01:36:41,253 --> 01:36:42,772
Speaker 2: my room. I'll meet you in there.

1912
01:36:43,333 --> 01:36:47,973
Speaker 3: Honesty call, because I'm sure that you've slept in a

1913
01:36:48,013 --> 01:36:50,293
Speaker 3: separate bed, separate room from time to time with you

1914
01:36:50,492 --> 01:36:52,772
Speaker 3: with your partner on a sty call. Did you get

1915
01:36:52,812 --> 01:36:54,932
Speaker 3: a better night's sleep when you were sleeping in a different bed.

1916
01:36:55,093 --> 01:36:55,253
Speaker 7: Well?

1917
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:56,892
Speaker 2: Do you know what I get offended by is when

1918
01:36:56,933 --> 01:36:58,412
Speaker 2: I'm going away, I have to go away for work

1919
01:36:58,412 --> 01:36:59,533
Speaker 2: a bit and my partner.

1920
01:36:59,253 --> 01:36:59,652
Speaker 1: Goes, Oh.

1921
01:36:59,732 --> 01:37:01,812
Speaker 2: The first thing she says is Oh God, I'll get

1922
01:37:01,853 --> 01:37:05,053
Speaker 2: such a good sleep and I mean to go. So

1923
01:37:05,133 --> 01:37:06,772
Speaker 2: your first thought is that you get a good sleep,

1924
01:37:06,812 --> 01:37:09,333
Speaker 2: not how much you'll miss me. You know that hurts.

1925
01:37:09,652 --> 01:37:12,612
Speaker 2: That hurts. I was talking before about body temperature. Body

1926
01:37:12,652 --> 01:37:15,932
Speaker 2: temperature natally drops before sleep, typically reaching its lowest point

1927
01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,892
Speaker 2: a few hours before waking. This temper drop is linked

1928
01:37:18,933 --> 01:37:22,052
Speaker 2: to the circadian rhythms. Blah blah blah. A cool sleeping

1929
01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:25,572
Speaker 2: environment is the best thing. Eighteen point three degrees or

1930
01:37:25,652 --> 01:37:28,492
Speaker 2: breathable bedding is what you want. So eighteenth point three

1931
01:37:28,532 --> 01:37:32,493
Speaker 2: degrees is apparently the perfect sleeping temperature.

1932
01:37:32,812 --> 01:37:35,892
Speaker 3: Eighteen point three Yeah, that is good. Well, how are

1933
01:37:35,933 --> 01:37:36,692
Speaker 3: you this afternoon?

1934
01:37:37,572 --> 01:37:37,852
Speaker 18: Good?

1935
01:37:38,013 --> 01:37:38,812
Speaker 15: How are you fellers?

1936
01:37:38,933 --> 01:37:39,213
Speaker 3: Good?

1937
01:37:39,692 --> 01:37:41,372
Speaker 2: Very good? Your thoughts on a good night's sleep.

1938
01:37:43,213 --> 01:37:45,532
Speaker 17: You've just got to exert yourself as much as you

1939
01:37:45,572 --> 01:37:49,253
Speaker 17: can during the day. Don't touch any screen an hour

1940
01:37:49,293 --> 01:37:51,812
Speaker 17: before bed, and then you should be logging it.

1941
01:37:53,013 --> 01:37:57,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, logging. Yeah, that thing of expending a lot of

1942
01:37:57,333 --> 01:38:00,253
Speaker 2: energy in the day is very important for sleep, isn't it.

1943
01:38:00,612 --> 01:38:04,253
Speaker 2: And a lot of us may be working sedentary jobs,

1944
01:38:04,732 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 2: you know, to a certain extent, like me and Tyler

1945
01:38:06,492 --> 01:38:08,732
Speaker 2: just sitting here on seats talking into Mike phones. You're

1946
01:38:08,732 --> 01:38:11,372
Speaker 2: not expending a lot of physical you know not. You're

1947
01:38:11,412 --> 01:38:14,293
Speaker 2: not becoming physically exhausted. You might become mentally exhausted. What

1948
01:38:14,333 --> 01:38:17,492
Speaker 2: do you do for a living? Will, I'm an oyster

1949
01:38:17,572 --> 01:38:18,972
Speaker 2: farmer farm?

1950
01:38:19,053 --> 01:38:21,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty physical, I think. Yeah, I don't know

1951
01:38:21,612 --> 01:38:23,092
Speaker 3: much about oyster farming to be honest.

1952
01:38:24,652 --> 01:38:25,732
Speaker 22: Yeah, no, no, no.

1953
01:38:25,772 --> 01:38:28,013
Speaker 17: We we we get our hours and we we we

1954
01:38:28,452 --> 01:38:32,612
Speaker 17: work hard and we try to tell our phones before beer.

1955
01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:36,333
Speaker 2: And so when you say oyster farming, this is oyster farming.

1956
01:38:37,253 --> 01:38:40,253
Speaker 2: Like I said, this is an artificial farm.

1957
01:38:41,933 --> 01:38:47,053
Speaker 17: Anto, No, no, no, this is the natural wild card?

1958
01:38:47,692 --> 01:38:48,852
Speaker 2: Are good on you?

1959
01:38:48,893 --> 01:38:52,052
Speaker 3: What part of the country Cleveland, South Aukland?

1960
01:38:54,013 --> 01:38:54,173
Speaker 17: Love?

1961
01:38:55,492 --> 01:38:57,612
Speaker 3: And do you shut them? Do you shut them on board?

1962
01:38:57,692 --> 01:38:58,572
Speaker 3: Or how does that work?

1963
01:38:59,213 --> 01:38:59,253
Speaker 7: No?

1964
01:38:59,452 --> 01:39:01,612
Speaker 18: They come into the factory and they get they get

1965
01:39:01,652 --> 01:39:02,652
Speaker 18: shocked and opened there.

1966
01:39:02,933 --> 01:39:05,532
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been down to the shocking competitions and

1967
01:39:05,532 --> 01:39:08,173
Speaker 2: bluff before. There are some impressive shuckers out there. But

1968
01:39:08,492 --> 01:39:11,253
Speaker 2: you're not. You're not a shacker. Will You're a no?

1969
01:39:11,253 --> 01:39:12,253
Speaker 17: No, no, no, I'm not.

1970
01:39:12,333 --> 01:39:12,612
Speaker 18: I'm not.

1971
01:39:12,652 --> 01:39:13,372
Speaker 17: I'm not a shocker.

1972
01:39:13,812 --> 01:39:17,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a shocker, but you are a sleeper. I

1973
01:39:17,612 --> 01:39:22,532
Speaker 2: try to be Yeah, that's absolutely a huge good point.

1974
01:39:22,612 --> 01:39:24,772
Speaker 2: It's it's you know, like if you if you're being

1975
01:39:24,812 --> 01:39:27,093
Speaker 2: really lazy in the holidays and stuff, very hard to

1976
01:39:27,093 --> 01:39:29,372
Speaker 2: sleep when you've done nothing all day exactly.

1977
01:39:29,612 --> 01:39:31,452
Speaker 3: But you're probably having some day naps as well because

1978
01:39:31,452 --> 01:39:32,372
Speaker 3: it's the holiday and you can.

1979
01:39:32,532 --> 01:39:34,093
Speaker 2: But I bet there's a lot of people out there

1980
01:39:34,133 --> 01:39:37,053
Speaker 2: that work really hard physical jobs that don't even know

1981
01:39:37,093 --> 01:39:39,173
Speaker 2: what I don't even know what people are talking about

1982
01:39:39,173 --> 01:39:39,932
Speaker 2: when it cost something.

1983
01:39:40,173 --> 01:39:45,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no issues, Michael. How are you? Are

1984
01:39:45,652 --> 01:39:47,892
Speaker 3: you very good? And what was the one thing you

1985
01:39:47,933 --> 01:39:48,812
Speaker 3: did to him previously?

1986
01:39:49,853 --> 01:39:56,772
Speaker 5: I listened to Marcus Marcus lash I do, and it's

1987
01:39:56,853 --> 01:39:57,932
Speaker 5: no disrespect of Marx.

1988
01:39:58,293 --> 01:40:01,532
Speaker 24: But I have talked going on and you're not off,

1989
01:40:01,652 --> 01:40:02,492
Speaker 24: no trouble at all.

1990
01:40:03,013 --> 01:40:04,452
Speaker 2: Do you do you have a timer for it to

1991
01:40:04,492 --> 01:40:06,532
Speaker 2: turn off? Or do you leave Marcus going for a

1992
01:40:06,612 --> 01:40:10,452
Speaker 2: long time and then sometimes you wake up to something else?

1993
01:40:11,333 --> 01:40:14,293
Speaker 24: I just yeah, yeah, pretty much, that's what happens. Yeah,

1994
01:40:14,572 --> 01:40:16,253
Speaker 24: I've just got a knee a piece since it doesn't

1995
01:40:16,253 --> 01:40:21,572
Speaker 24: disturb my better half, and I have trinatus as well.

1996
01:40:21,612 --> 01:40:23,572
Speaker 24: So you've got that constant ringing in your ears, it's

1997
01:40:23,652 --> 01:40:25,213
Speaker 24: a niceta have something that's distracting.

1998
01:40:25,492 --> 01:40:29,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so Marcus does it for you. Yeah.

1999
01:40:29,093 --> 01:40:32,173
Speaker 2: Sometimes Marcus can leave, he can leave gaps. He can

2000
01:40:32,173 --> 01:40:33,573
Speaker 2: go to be talking about.

2001
01:40:33,933 --> 01:40:40,253
Speaker 25: Like butter conditioners, but of conditioners, and there can be

2002
01:40:40,293 --> 01:40:41,852
Speaker 25: a little bit of gap that doesn't wake you up

2003
01:40:41,893 --> 01:40:43,093
Speaker 25: when he when he goes quiet for a bit and

2004
01:40:43,093 --> 01:40:45,093
Speaker 25: then comes back, Hey, you.

2005
01:40:45,053 --> 01:40:51,853
Speaker 24: Can have an hour talking about plastic straws.

2006
01:40:49,572 --> 01:40:53,452
Speaker 3: Keeps your hog. Sometimes he just does the old just

2007
01:40:53,532 --> 01:40:55,772
Speaker 3: the pin tet just you know, so we all know

2008
01:40:55,812 --> 01:41:00,812
Speaker 3: he's still there, just having a thing exactly terrific Michael, Yeah.

2009
01:41:00,933 --> 01:41:03,053
Speaker 2: Great, an he wins. It was an award every year

2010
01:41:03,053 --> 01:41:04,652
Speaker 2: at the Radio Awards, and he's nominated again.

2011
01:41:04,692 --> 01:41:05,853
Speaker 3: I see, yeah, absolutely.

2012
01:41:06,452 --> 01:41:09,253
Speaker 2: I listened to Marcus as well. He says, Marcus gets

2013
01:41:09,293 --> 01:41:11,572
Speaker 2: me to sleep. Ten minutes of Marcus last puts me

2014
01:41:11,612 --> 01:41:13,652
Speaker 2: to sleep every night. There you go, listen to Marcus

2015
01:41:13,652 --> 01:41:15,812
Speaker 2: to get to sleep. Boy, oh boy, Marcus is doing

2016
01:41:15,933 --> 01:41:20,772
Speaker 2: a good service out there. But people aren't. People love Marcus. Yeah,

2017
01:41:20,893 --> 01:41:23,333
Speaker 2: it's not that he's he's boring, No, it's just that

2018
01:41:23,372 --> 01:41:25,532
Speaker 2: he's soothing and he has topics that take people through.

2019
01:41:25,572 --> 01:41:27,692
Speaker 2: That's a real service Marcus has done.

2020
01:41:27,812 --> 01:41:30,333
Speaker 3: There you go, Marcus oh, eight one hundred eighty ten

2021
01:41:30,452 --> 01:41:35,572
Speaker 3: eighty is the is the number to call and we've

2022
01:41:35,572 --> 01:41:39,212
Speaker 3: got Chris on the line here, get a Chris Hello,

2023
01:41:39,732 --> 01:41:42,612
Speaker 3: great to chat with you. So we were talking about

2024
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:45,133
Speaker 3: what they call and it's a bit of an awful

2025
01:41:45,213 --> 01:41:47,972
Speaker 3: name for its sleep divorce, but more and more couples

2026
01:41:48,013 --> 01:41:50,253
Speaker 3: are doing that. Is that something that you and your

2027
01:41:50,333 --> 01:41:52,173
Speaker 3: husband have recently done.

2028
01:41:53,732 --> 01:41:56,732
Speaker 26: Absolutely, we've done it now for about twenty years. That's

2029
01:41:56,772 --> 01:41:59,652
Speaker 26: been the best thing for our relationship. Can't wait to

2030
01:41:59,692 --> 01:42:04,253
Speaker 26: see him in the morning. Before it was like that

2031
01:42:04,412 --> 01:42:07,453
Speaker 26: movie Psychoach, you know, like you're a knife going.

2032
01:42:09,333 --> 01:42:09,732
Speaker 7: So so.

2033
01:42:10,013 --> 01:42:12,572
Speaker 2: So you guys got two separate rooms, are they Are

2034
01:42:12,572 --> 01:42:14,012
Speaker 2: they close to each other in the house?

2035
01:42:14,412 --> 01:42:14,572
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2036
01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:17,012
Speaker 26: Yeah, they joined with a non suite in the middle. Okay,

2037
01:42:17,173 --> 01:42:19,293
Speaker 26: we often we often meet each other in the middle

2038
01:42:19,293 --> 01:42:21,412
Speaker 26: of the night and when we you know, go for

2039
01:42:21,452 --> 01:42:22,213
Speaker 26: a peece.

2040
01:42:23,692 --> 01:42:26,333
Speaker 2: So you're in sync in that, we have a little.

2041
01:42:26,093 --> 01:42:29,133
Speaker 26: Bit of a cuddle. Then before we go to bed,

2042
01:42:29,173 --> 01:42:30,892
Speaker 26: and when we wake up in the morning. As my

2043
01:42:31,013 --> 01:42:34,652
Speaker 26: text said, because I text him that I you know,

2044
01:42:35,053 --> 01:42:37,372
Speaker 26: I text him if I'm awake or he texted me,

2045
01:42:37,452 --> 01:42:39,053
Speaker 26: and then we just get back and together to get

2046
01:42:39,093 --> 01:42:40,293
Speaker 26: we just don't snaw together.

2047
01:42:40,853 --> 01:42:43,172
Speaker 2: And so was this how did this plan come about?

2048
01:42:43,253 --> 01:42:45,133
Speaker 2: Did you guys talk about it? Did one of you

2049
01:42:45,253 --> 01:42:47,492
Speaker 2: raise it as an idea? Because it sounds like you've

2050
01:42:47,532 --> 01:42:50,093
Speaker 2: got to sort it out. So you've got a bed,

2051
01:42:50,692 --> 01:42:52,333
Speaker 2: So he did some building to make it work.

2052
01:42:52,893 --> 01:42:55,333
Speaker 26: Yeah, well we did, but we did. We were farming

2053
01:42:55,452 --> 01:42:58,133
Speaker 26: and I had to work at shift work, so I

2054
01:42:58,213 --> 01:43:00,092
Speaker 26: was getting up at say, three o'clock in the morning.

2055
01:43:00,452 --> 01:43:04,173
Speaker 26: Tony was snoring all so, and of course he had

2056
01:43:04,173 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 26: a wee bit of our ill health was Crone's disease,

2057
01:43:06,732 --> 01:43:09,652
Speaker 26: so you know, he was up night roaming around and

2058
01:43:09,692 --> 01:43:13,372
Speaker 26: I was trying to, you know, work, and and of

2059
01:43:13,372 --> 01:43:15,612
Speaker 26: course he was getting up to do irrigation in the

2060
01:43:15,532 --> 01:43:19,052
Speaker 26: the middle of the night, farming, and we just felt

2061
01:43:19,093 --> 01:43:21,852
Speaker 26: that it was not doing us our health any good

2062
01:43:21,933 --> 01:43:25,013
Speaker 26: in fact, you know, either of us. So that's what

2063
01:43:25,053 --> 01:43:27,133
Speaker 26: we did. We parted company, and it's the best thing

2064
01:43:27,133 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 26: we ever did.

2065
01:43:27,973 --> 01:43:29,572
Speaker 2: Chris, do you get if you got if you get

2066
01:43:29,612 --> 01:43:31,532
Speaker 2: lonely in the middle of the night, because you know,

2067
01:43:31,572 --> 01:43:34,772
Speaker 2: sleeping with someone, it's part of it is that you

2068
01:43:34,933 --> 01:43:37,772
Speaker 2: the companionship of it. So yeah, Chris, could.

2069
01:43:37,612 --> 01:43:40,612
Speaker 26: You really I really missed it? And I really mourned it.

2070
01:43:41,093 --> 01:43:45,093
Speaker 26: But because of the snoring, it was just you know, everything,

2071
01:43:45,452 --> 01:43:47,612
Speaker 26: it was just none of it. And I'd wake him

2072
01:43:47,772 --> 01:43:49,572
Speaker 26: like it's a form of torture in the war, they

2073
01:43:49,612 --> 01:43:52,732
Speaker 26: still sleep. And he would wake me up to fifty

2074
01:43:52,772 --> 01:43:55,812
Speaker 26: times a night, and you know, and I'd be waking

2075
01:43:55,853 --> 01:43:57,852
Speaker 26: him and he'd be then you know, then he was

2076
01:43:58,133 --> 01:44:01,372
Speaker 26: not feeling very well because he knew I was being awoke,

2077
01:44:01,532 --> 01:44:04,732
Speaker 26: you know, waking up, waking up. Yeah, So it really

2078
01:44:04,772 --> 01:44:06,772
Speaker 26: weeks for us. And I adore my husband. And we've

2079
01:44:06,812 --> 01:44:08,572
Speaker 26: been married for fifty years next year.

2080
01:44:08,812 --> 01:44:13,213
Speaker 2: Wow, congratulations and do you and so so just the

2081
01:44:13,293 --> 01:44:16,452
Speaker 2: general getting on with each other and the relationship across

2082
01:44:16,492 --> 01:44:18,173
Speaker 2: the board got better when you had rooms.

2083
01:44:18,213 --> 01:44:21,692
Speaker 26: It got so good. Absolutely, it's just been the best

2084
01:44:21,692 --> 01:44:22,612
Speaker 26: thing we've ever done.

2085
01:44:23,053 --> 01:44:25,452
Speaker 3: Who absolutely, who got the best bed crest or did

2086
01:44:25,492 --> 01:44:26,212
Speaker 3: you get identical?

2087
01:44:26,213 --> 01:44:26,372
Speaker 5: Beat?

2088
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:28,412
Speaker 26: We both got very good.

2089
01:44:29,572 --> 01:44:31,293
Speaker 7: And I must say.

2090
01:44:31,213 --> 01:44:33,932
Speaker 26: It's really hard when we travel, and it's really expensive

2091
01:44:33,973 --> 01:44:35,812
Speaker 26: because we have to get an airbnb and we have

2092
01:44:35,853 --> 01:44:36,813
Speaker 26: to get two bedrooms.

2093
01:44:37,372 --> 01:44:42,213
Speaker 2: Wow, you take it on the road.

2094
01:44:41,812 --> 01:44:44,852
Speaker 26: We have to because literally we cannot sleep in the

2095
01:44:44,893 --> 01:44:47,612
Speaker 26: same room. I mean, her mother was such dreadful Snora.

2096
01:44:48,053 --> 01:44:50,053
Speaker 26: I'd hear her when I stayed there. I to hear

2097
01:44:50,093 --> 01:44:54,572
Speaker 26: her three rooms away. And her husband doesn't sleep with her,

2098
01:44:54,933 --> 01:44:55,173
Speaker 26: you know.

2099
01:44:56,692 --> 01:44:58,093
Speaker 2: So it's a family.

2100
01:44:57,772 --> 01:45:00,692
Speaker 26: Thing, genetic thing as well for Tony.

2101
01:45:01,213 --> 01:45:03,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, and you don't snore at all, Chris,

2102
01:45:04,452 --> 01:45:07,372
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know, yeah, because I've had I have this

2103
01:45:07,492 --> 01:45:09,692
Speaker 2: argument because I accused of snoring, and I say, I

2104
01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:11,973
Speaker 2: never hear it, So what's the proof? And then the

2105
01:45:12,013 --> 01:45:15,052
Speaker 2: proof was given to me by a phone recording.

2106
01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:18,772
Speaker 26: That's what I did a few times. Actually, I hope

2107
01:45:18,812 --> 01:45:20,813
Speaker 26: to say.

2108
01:45:20,213 --> 01:45:22,173
Speaker 3: Chris, you're great, just as I'm looking into it more.

2109
01:45:22,293 --> 01:45:25,772
Speaker 3: It's giving a lot of celebrity endorsements. Cameron Diaz, where's

2110
01:45:25,772 --> 01:45:28,092
Speaker 3: by it? George Clooney, They're all in separate beds.

2111
01:45:28,612 --> 01:45:31,932
Speaker 26: There you go. No, honestly, I honestly think it's the

2112
01:45:31,973 --> 01:45:35,812
Speaker 26: best thing ever. But you do mourn that, you know,

2113
01:45:35,853 --> 01:45:38,532
Speaker 26: that closeness and you know, just rolling over and having

2114
01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:41,572
Speaker 26: a cattle. I really do miss that, Yeah, I have. Yeah,

2115
01:45:43,253 --> 01:45:44,812
Speaker 26: I love your show, by the way. I love the

2116
01:45:44,893 --> 01:45:48,333
Speaker 26: lighthearted nature and I'm painting at the moment, and you know,

2117
01:45:48,452 --> 01:45:52,372
Speaker 26: like a painting artist painting, and it just keeps me

2118
01:45:52,532 --> 01:45:55,213
Speaker 26: so entertained and I loved all. I love all the laugh.

2119
01:45:56,013 --> 01:45:58,173
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Chris. I appreciate it.

2120
01:45:58,213 --> 01:46:01,093
Speaker 2: We'd like to hear that, Matt and Tyler. Where can

2121
01:46:01,133 --> 01:46:03,213
Speaker 2: I buy those wall masks that you were talking about?

2122
01:46:03,253 --> 01:46:06,572
Speaker 2: That's from Anna. It's a kind face dot co dot

2123
01:46:06,612 --> 01:46:09,293
Speaker 2: and z the will wise will sleep mask that I

2124
01:46:09,412 --> 01:46:11,612
Speaker 2: use and it's it's so good. There's something about it

2125
01:46:11,612 --> 01:46:15,133
Speaker 2: being wool that just sits nicely on your face and there.

2126
01:46:15,173 --> 01:46:17,333
Speaker 2: They're a bit thicker than the ones that you get,

2127
01:46:17,572 --> 01:46:18,732
Speaker 2: you know, on a plane or whatever.

2128
01:46:18,812 --> 01:46:21,173
Speaker 3: And we love New Zealand wool, yes we do. Oh

2129
01:46:21,173 --> 01:46:24,053
Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are sleeping in

2130
01:46:24,093 --> 01:46:28,213
Speaker 3: separate beds, they're calling it sleep divorce, but clearly we're

2131
01:46:28,213 --> 01:46:30,692
Speaker 3: getting so many texts on it, but love to hear

2132
01:46:30,732 --> 01:46:33,333
Speaker 3: from you. Was it a game changer when you move

2133
01:46:33,412 --> 01:46:35,372
Speaker 3: to separate beds and separate bed room?

2134
01:46:35,492 --> 01:46:38,333
Speaker 2: This is the evolution of humanity because when they dig

2135
01:46:38,412 --> 01:46:41,692
Speaker 2: up caves, whole families used to sleep in bed together.

2136
01:46:42,053 --> 01:46:44,132
Speaker 2: The idea that you have a separate bed was totally

2137
01:46:44,173 --> 01:46:46,972
Speaker 2: and there weren't rooms until very recently in human history.

2138
01:46:47,173 --> 01:46:49,572
Speaker 2: And now we're slowly moving further away from each other.

2139
01:46:50,652 --> 01:46:53,013
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2140
01:46:53,053 --> 01:46:54,092
Speaker 3: It's eighteen to four.

2141
01:46:55,772 --> 01:47:00,372
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons call,

2142
01:47:00,532 --> 01:47:03,253
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk. They'd be.

2143
01:47:04,812 --> 01:47:07,372
Speaker 3: Is a quarter to four. We're talking about sleeping, sleeping

2144
01:47:07,412 --> 01:47:10,293
Speaker 3: in separate beds. We started off on the best thing

2145
01:47:10,293 --> 01:47:13,452
Speaker 3: you've done to improve your sleep, and probably ninety percent

2146
01:47:13,452 --> 01:47:16,812
Speaker 3: of people say it's sleeping in different heads from their partner, husband, wife.

2147
01:47:17,213 --> 01:47:18,052
Speaker 3: Is the way to go.

2148
01:47:19,133 --> 01:47:21,572
Speaker 2: This Texas says, this subject is putting me to sleep.

2149
01:47:21,893 --> 01:47:25,572
Speaker 2: That's from Caine. Well you're welcome, Kane. Yeah, there you go, sleep,

2150
01:47:25,893 --> 01:47:26,333
Speaker 2: not night.

2151
01:47:26,572 --> 01:47:26,732
Speaker 7: Hey.

2152
01:47:26,772 --> 01:47:29,612
Speaker 2: One thing I will I remember about getting back to sleep.

2153
01:47:29,612 --> 01:47:31,452
Speaker 2: And I've actually bought this up before in the show

2154
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Speaker 2: A thing that changed my life. Because you know, if

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Speaker 2: you need to get up in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: night and never a wee or whatever you have to do,

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Speaker 2: or there's something that you need to do, the dog

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Speaker 2: needs something done, or whatever. One of the reasons why

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Speaker 2: you struggle to get back to sleep is because your

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Speaker 2: heart rate goes up massively when you get up. Just

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Speaker 2: walking over to the bathroom makes your heart go and

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01:47:48,812 --> 01:47:51,012
Speaker 2: your heart actually has to be slow for you to sleep.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why you lie in being and go

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Speaker 2: Why am I suddenly so awake? It's because you've gone

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Speaker 2: from sleep mode to wake mode to do the thing

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Speaker 2: that you needed to do.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So there's this fantastic breathing technique that I do now,

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01:48:02,093 --> 01:48:06,052
Speaker 2: which is called the four seven eight technique. So you're breathing,

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Speaker 2: so you go to the bathroom if you need to

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01:48:08,812 --> 01:48:10,093
Speaker 2: or what do you need to do. Try not to

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01:48:10,093 --> 01:48:13,293
Speaker 2: turn on too many lights. Try and walk slowly towards

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Speaker 2: the bathroom. Don't get up in a mass hurry, slide

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Speaker 2: out of bed, slowly walk there, go in the dark.

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Speaker 2: Whatever you need to do, do it slowly, not too

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Speaker 2: much light. Get back into bed, and then you do

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Speaker 2: the four seven eight technique, which is breathing in for

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Speaker 2: four seconds, holding the breath for seven seconds, and exhaling

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Speaker 2: for eight seconds. And this has been proven to slow

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Speaker 2: your heart rate and so you can go back to sleep.

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Speaker 2: It's also sort of a form of meditation, as you

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01:48:37,492 --> 01:48:42,133
Speaker 2: concentrate on four seconds in, hold for seven seconds and

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Speaker 2: eight seconds out. But you know you don't have to

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01:48:44,933 --> 01:48:47,293
Speaker 2: worry about it seconds exactly, just to just account so

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01:48:47,973 --> 01:48:50,213
Speaker 2: you know, one, two, three fourths so four seven eight

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01:48:50,253 --> 01:48:53,053
Speaker 2: remember that? Boy, oh boy, does that work. It's a

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01:48:53,093 --> 01:48:54,452
Speaker 2: complete and utter game changer.

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Speaker 3: Genuine question. If you have to get up in the

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01:48:56,772 --> 01:48:58,093
Speaker 3: middle of the night to go to the toilet, do

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01:48:58,093 --> 01:49:00,612
Speaker 3: you keep your mask on? Yep, you've worked that out

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01:49:00,652 --> 01:49:02,933
Speaker 3: now that you're able to feel your way to the

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01:49:02,933 --> 01:49:04,133
Speaker 3: bathroom keeping your mask on.

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01:49:04,372 --> 01:49:07,772
Speaker 2: I think I've been going to the bathroom. I don't

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01:49:07,812 --> 01:49:08,293
Speaker 2: know for sure.

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01:49:08,372 --> 01:49:10,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that while your partners say, what are these

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01:49:10,372 --> 01:49:12,652
Speaker 3: wet spots on the carpet mat? A dog is being

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01:49:12,732 --> 01:49:12,973
Speaker 3: up to?

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Speaker 2: No good jet, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 27: Hey, how's it going? Guys?

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01:49:17,652 --> 01:49:22,492
Speaker 3: Very good? So you are converted on different beards as well, Bridget.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, absolutely for about three years now. And I mean

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01:49:25,853 --> 01:49:29,692
Speaker 27: I'm thirty What am I thirty four? So it's not like, yeah,

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01:49:29,692 --> 01:49:32,852
Speaker 27: we haven't been married all our lives. But yeah, it

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01:49:33,013 --> 01:49:34,213
Speaker 27: just works for us.

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01:49:34,612 --> 01:49:37,213
Speaker 2: So you're totally different bedrooms Bridget.

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01:49:37,013 --> 01:49:41,012
Speaker 27: Yes, yeah, so for us it started out that, Yeah,

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01:49:41,013 --> 01:49:43,452
Speaker 27: when my son was born, he was obviously sleeping in

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01:49:43,492 --> 01:49:46,213
Speaker 27: the room, waking up in the middle of the night,

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Speaker 27: as they do. So my husband just thought oh, you know,

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01:49:49,013 --> 01:49:51,092
Speaker 27: to get for him to get better sleep.

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01:49:52,213 --> 01:49:54,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just thought, you know, I'll solve this

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01:49:54,572 --> 01:49:56,133
Speaker 2: problem by leaving to another room.

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01:49:56,732 --> 01:49:58,852
Speaker 26: Yeah, absolutely, rich is what he said.

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01:49:59,253 --> 01:50:02,053
Speaker 27: And yeah, my son turns three at the end of

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01:50:02,053 --> 01:50:04,293
Speaker 27: this month and we're still in separate rooms.

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01:50:04,452 --> 01:50:08,572
Speaker 2: See, And how's the rest of your relationship? As it's

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01:50:08,612 --> 01:50:12,652
Speaker 2: good yet you're still I was going to use the

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01:50:12,652 --> 01:50:15,612
Speaker 2: word intimate, but it wasn't really it wasn't really the word.

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01:50:15,652 --> 01:50:17,892
Speaker 2: I mean, are you still affectionate towards each other?

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01:50:18,093 --> 01:50:21,253
Speaker 27: Yees yep, yep, No, it's been it's been absolutely fine.

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01:50:21,253 --> 01:50:24,412
Speaker 27: And as I say, like he snores, we sort of

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01:50:24,452 --> 01:50:26,492
Speaker 27: had the same sort of issues as other callers. Now

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01:50:26,532 --> 01:50:29,572
Speaker 27: when we go away, you know, sort of jumping back

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01:50:29,572 --> 01:50:32,093
Speaker 27: into bed together. I sort of, oh, yeah, that's why we.

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01:50:35,053 --> 01:50:38,972
Speaker 2: And what about the intimacy? How does that all work?

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01:50:38,973 --> 01:50:40,492
Speaker 2: Do you have to plan when you're going to be

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01:50:40,532 --> 01:50:41,173
Speaker 2: in the same room.

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01:50:41,772 --> 01:50:43,612
Speaker 27: Well, I mean there's you know, a three year old

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01:50:43,652 --> 01:50:45,492
Speaker 27: in the house, so that's a real picker as well.

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01:50:46,013 --> 01:50:50,253
Speaker 2: Yep, ye, damping down a little bit.

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01:50:51,133 --> 01:50:54,213
Speaker 27: Yeah, but no, it works, you know, it's it's usually Yeah,

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01:50:54,372 --> 01:50:58,132
Speaker 27: just if we sort of find our way, And did.

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01:50:57,973 --> 01:50:59,852
Speaker 3: You get to pick your own bed, Bridget. Once you

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01:50:59,893 --> 01:51:01,612
Speaker 3: made that call, then do you go down to the

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01:51:01,612 --> 01:51:03,572
Speaker 3: bed shop and pick something out for you or the

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01:51:03,612 --> 01:51:05,132
Speaker 3: other way around. Your husband got the good.

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01:51:04,973 --> 01:51:08,932
Speaker 27: Bed, well no, so we just moved house before my son.

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01:51:09,053 --> 01:51:11,572
Speaker 27: So the master bedroom got the brand new king bed,

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01:51:12,093 --> 01:51:14,492
Speaker 27: so naturally I got to keep that. And I mean

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Speaker 27: he's doing it right, he's got a queen in the

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Speaker 27: other room. Yes, when we actually talked about if we

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01:51:20,293 --> 01:51:22,492
Speaker 27: were going to have another kid, we sort of went, ah,

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01:51:22,652 --> 01:51:26,892
Speaker 27: that we need another room in the house. We haven't

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01:51:26,933 --> 01:51:29,853
Speaker 27: got enough room now because we're all in separate bedrooms.

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01:51:30,692 --> 01:51:33,053
Speaker 2: Reggie, thank you so much for your call for so

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01:51:33,173 --> 01:51:38,053
Speaker 2: that's that's interesting. Yeah, I mean I think it would be.

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01:51:38,293 --> 01:51:41,452
Speaker 2: It would be working for so many people are texting,

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01:51:41,532 --> 01:51:44,013
Speaker 2: But I think it could be a controversial subject. I

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01:51:44,013 --> 01:51:46,852
Speaker 2: can imagine if you said to someone your partner, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm setting up a whole new bedroom in another part

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01:51:51,933 --> 01:51:54,253
Speaker 2: of the house. I guess the cool thing is you

2252
01:51:54,253 --> 01:51:56,932
Speaker 2: could have your awesome stuff in your bedroom. Yeah, as

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01:51:56,973 --> 01:51:59,812
Speaker 2: opposed to their girly punishing stuff exactly.

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01:52:00,093 --> 01:52:02,412
Speaker 3: It can be like your little extra man cave as well.

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01:52:03,053 --> 01:52:05,253
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number.

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Speaker 3: Call Bill.

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01:52:08,492 --> 01:52:12,253
Speaker 2: Sorry, Yeah, to click through a bunt of Bill.

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01:52:12,412 --> 01:52:15,612
Speaker 3: That's me, that's you, that's you, Bill, And you've got

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01:52:15,933 --> 01:52:17,732
Speaker 3: a bit of a machine that there has been a

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Speaker 3: game changer.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I've got sleep at Mere probably for the last

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Speaker 7: twenty years, and I was only sleeping about thirty seven

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01:52:28,732 --> 01:52:33,653
Speaker 7: percent of the time. So you know, the health department

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01:52:34,133 --> 01:52:40,213
Speaker 7: put me onto the sleep seatpet. So it took me

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01:52:40,253 --> 01:52:44,612
Speaker 7: probably about five years to get used to it. And

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01:52:46,013 --> 01:52:48,973
Speaker 7: now I put it on and it's very peaceful. The

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01:52:49,053 --> 01:52:53,372
Speaker 7: breathing that helps you to breathe. So I if I

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01:52:53,412 --> 01:52:55,692
Speaker 7: don't have it on, sometimes I don't put it on

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01:52:56,612 --> 01:52:59,372
Speaker 7: and I wake up with a bit of a start,

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01:52:59,492 --> 01:53:08,012
Speaker 7: obviously caused by not breathing properly. And anyway, I'm told

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01:53:08,013 --> 01:53:10,452
Speaker 7: that I also snore, but I don't really know that.

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01:53:11,692 --> 01:53:15,253
Speaker 7: I don't believe it. But I've got a number of

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01:53:15,293 --> 01:53:19,932
Speaker 7: family members that also need to use the sea pet,

2274
01:53:20,053 --> 01:53:23,333
Speaker 7: but they haven't got used to it. You know, it's

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01:53:23,333 --> 01:53:27,092
Speaker 7: a mental thing. I think you have to sleep.

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01:53:27,133 --> 01:53:31,732
Speaker 2: You'd have to sleep on your on your back, would you?

2277
01:53:31,732 --> 01:53:32,052
Speaker 2: You can.

2278
01:53:33,933 --> 01:53:37,732
Speaker 7: Either side? Yeah, the the hose is long enough and

2279
01:53:38,853 --> 01:53:42,253
Speaker 7: if I have adjusted correctly, have the straps adjusted correctly,

2280
01:53:42,372 --> 01:53:44,093
Speaker 7: then it's very very good.

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01:53:44,612 --> 01:53:46,532
Speaker 3: Is that these full maskers at bell or is that

2282
01:53:46,612 --> 01:53:48,972
Speaker 3: the two two hoses up the nose?

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01:53:50,772 --> 01:53:52,372
Speaker 7: No full maskull mask.

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01:53:53,372 --> 01:53:56,732
Speaker 2: The sea Pep is a continuous positive ear way pressure

2285
01:53:56,732 --> 01:54:00,412
Speaker 2: that sort of stands for the type of therapy.

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01:54:00,772 --> 01:54:03,293
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by how many people rock the sea pep

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01:54:03,532 --> 01:54:05,972
Speaker 3: as soon as you mentioned in Seapep Andrew producer, he's

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01:54:05,973 --> 01:54:09,372
Speaker 3: got a seapet machine. My older bro's got a seapet machine. Yes,

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01:54:09,492 --> 01:54:12,293
Speaker 3: so many people have them and they are absolute game changers.

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01:54:13,492 --> 01:54:16,653
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, get them, Yeah.

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01:54:16,412 --> 01:54:18,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you can get them, that's right, Bill. Thank

2292
01:54:18,492 --> 01:54:20,732
Speaker 3: you very much mate. Great to chat with you. All right,

2293
01:54:20,772 --> 01:54:22,692
Speaker 3: we've got to play some messages, but back for you shortly.

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Speaker 3: It is eight to four.

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01:54:25,652 --> 01:54:29,053
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:54:29,372 --> 01:54:33,173
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used

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Speaker 1: TALKSBB News TALKSBB It is.

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Speaker 3: Five to four. Couple of texts to wrap this one up, guys,

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01:54:39,733 --> 01:54:43,013
Speaker 3: I've worn a seapep mask for ten years. I'm a

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01:54:43,053 --> 01:54:45,253
Speaker 3: shocking storer. With the mask on and the fresh air

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01:54:45,293 --> 01:54:49,013
Speaker 3: being pumped in it is absolute magic. No movement no

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01:54:49,293 --> 01:54:51,333
Speaker 3: separate room. Absolute game changer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look at that. So we've learned a lot today

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01:54:54,893 --> 01:54:58,293
Speaker 2: after three hours of talkback, I now know that men

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01:54:58,413 --> 01:55:01,892
Speaker 2: enjoy being objectified. Yeah, school boards are hotbeds of affairs.

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01:55:02,053 --> 01:55:03,733
Speaker 2: And if you want to have a happy marriage, pack

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01:55:03,812 --> 01:55:07,373
Speaker 2: up your pillow and move to another bedroom. We'll be

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01:55:07,413 --> 01:55:10,693
Speaker 2: back Monday afternoon for another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons.

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Speaker 2: The full pod will be out about half four. But

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Speaker 2: have a great weekend, and whatever you're doing wherever you are,

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Speaker 2: give them a taste of Kiwi. Now the topical tune

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Speaker 2: of the day to take us out. Dr John Mayhew,

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Speaker 2: the All Black Team medic for almost two decos, died

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Speaker 2: this week. It's sixty nine, a much loved and respected

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Speaker 2: man who will be missed by so many. So today's

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