1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:13,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk zed B closing. 3 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:18,947 Speaker 2: In on the line Williams about Africa score and take 4 00:00:18,987 --> 00:00:21,627 Speaker 2: the lead here. That's the try that see All Day 5 00:00:21,747 --> 00:00:24,627 Speaker 2: thirty one, twenty seven victory for the spring Box over 6 00:00:24,627 --> 00:00:26,947 Speaker 2: the All Blacks at Alice Park this morning. Shortly after 7 00:00:26,947 --> 00:00:29,947 Speaker 2: the final whistle, I spoke with All Blacks assistant coach 8 00:00:30,147 --> 00:00:32,667 Speaker 2: Jason Holland to get his initial reaction. 9 00:00:33,307 --> 00:00:35,467 Speaker 3: Oh, obviously she disappointed for the boys. 10 00:00:36,347 --> 00:00:39,587 Speaker 4: You have some massive efforts out there, and yeah, just 11 00:00:39,587 --> 00:00:41,747 Speaker 4: small parts of the game with us down in the 12 00:00:41,827 --> 00:00:44,267 Speaker 4: in the second half there, and you know a little 13 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:47,227 Speaker 4: bits of pressure cycles where we don't win moments and 14 00:00:47,307 --> 00:00:50,507 Speaker 4: let them into our half. So a massive effort from 15 00:00:50,547 --> 00:00:52,907 Speaker 4: the voice. So the main things is disappointed for them. 16 00:00:53,347 --> 00:00:55,267 Speaker 2: How much did the yellow card hurt you? 17 00:00:57,147 --> 00:00:58,067 Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously it did. 18 00:01:00,027 --> 00:01:02,147 Speaker 4: Obviously the UO card came from a lot of pressure 19 00:01:02,147 --> 00:01:05,747 Speaker 4: that they've been able to apply in our end, so 20 00:01:05,787 --> 00:01:08,627 Speaker 4: that sort of took play. Yeah, definitely, definitely to its toll. Obviously, 21 00:01:09,627 --> 00:01:11,867 Speaker 4: you know they grew legged in and went to work 22 00:01:11,947 --> 00:01:14,707 Speaker 4: up front and you know they were really solid in 23 00:01:14,747 --> 00:01:16,427 Speaker 4: that last ten twelve minutes. 24 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:19,147 Speaker 2: And the stats say fourteen penalties to five. A lot 25 00:01:19,187 --> 00:01:21,707 Speaker 2: of those penalties from pressure, as you've mentioned, how big 26 00:01:21,707 --> 00:01:22,867 Speaker 2: a factor do you think that was? 27 00:01:24,587 --> 00:01:27,787 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like obviously chimpounding penalties make it really tough, and 28 00:01:27,827 --> 00:01:30,587 Speaker 4: then then that that results in the yellow and then 29 00:01:30,627 --> 00:01:33,147 Speaker 4: you got seven points and you know it all sort 30 00:01:33,187 --> 00:01:33,987 Speaker 4: of rolls into one. 31 00:01:34,067 --> 00:01:36,787 Speaker 3: But you know, little things we can do around. 32 00:01:37,467 --> 00:01:38,867 Speaker 4: You know, a couple of times we get down into 33 00:01:38,907 --> 00:01:41,747 Speaker 4: their end and little simple things let let the South 34 00:01:41,747 --> 00:01:43,587 Speaker 4: Africans off the hock where we could have maybe put 35 00:01:43,587 --> 00:01:47,627 Speaker 4: them away with fifteen minutes to go, we felt and 36 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:49,027 Speaker 4: then you know, not being able to get out of 37 00:01:49,067 --> 00:01:53,147 Speaker 4: our corner two or three times as vital. So you know, 38 00:01:53,187 --> 00:01:55,347 Speaker 4: those are the little moments which which mean that the 39 00:01:55,387 --> 00:01:58,347 Speaker 4: pressure just gets too much for and ends up with 40 00:01:58,427 --> 00:01:59,507 Speaker 4: yellow cards or penalties. 41 00:01:59,827 --> 00:02:02,347 Speaker 2: Did you feel in control when Caleb Clark scored a 42 00:02:02,387 --> 00:02:04,387 Speaker 2: second try to make it twenty seven to seventeen? You 43 00:02:04,387 --> 00:02:05,907 Speaker 2: did you feel in a pretty good place? 44 00:02:05,947 --> 00:02:10,827 Speaker 3: Then? Oh, look, you never feel in control Elis Park. 45 00:02:10,827 --> 00:02:11,387 Speaker 3: We never. 46 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:16,147 Speaker 4: Not at all, But definitely we felt like, you know 47 00:02:16,187 --> 00:02:18,227 Speaker 4: where it was a real opportunity to sort of turn 48 00:02:18,267 --> 00:02:19,507 Speaker 4: the screw get. 49 00:02:19,307 --> 00:02:19,867 Speaker 3: Out of our inn. 50 00:02:19,907 --> 00:02:21,707 Speaker 4: The end, and then when we went down there, I 51 00:02:21,707 --> 00:02:23,947 Speaker 4: think with twelve we had a penalty and we kept 52 00:02:23,987 --> 00:02:24,427 Speaker 4: to the corner. 53 00:02:24,467 --> 00:02:27,467 Speaker 3: If we'd have scored there, maybe it might have felt comfortable. 54 00:02:27,507 --> 00:02:30,947 Speaker 4: But yeah, big moment where we don't we don't get 55 00:02:30,947 --> 00:02:33,947 Speaker 4: points and they camp down the other end and she's 56 00:02:33,987 --> 00:02:36,867 Speaker 4: not thirty four to what would have been you know 57 00:02:36,907 --> 00:02:40,267 Speaker 4: where we're We're not thirty four seventeen. We're now twenty 58 00:02:40,307 --> 00:02:43,987 Speaker 4: seven twenty four, So you know, massive swings and tight 59 00:02:44,067 --> 00:02:45,067 Speaker 4: moments in a test match. 60 00:02:45,187 --> 00:02:47,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've talked a couple of times there about not 61 00:02:47,267 --> 00:02:49,187 Speaker 2: being able to get out from your own end. What's 62 00:02:49,227 --> 00:02:51,907 Speaker 2: the ideal strategy for that? Is it just better clicking? 63 00:02:53,987 --> 00:02:56,307 Speaker 4: Oh, look, we've got to there's a little bit of 64 00:02:56,347 --> 00:02:59,667 Speaker 4: strategy involved in it, and there's making sure that, yeah, 65 00:02:59,707 --> 00:03:01,747 Speaker 4: we get some execution to get to a start point 66 00:03:01,787 --> 00:03:02,307 Speaker 4: we're happy with. 67 00:03:02,427 --> 00:03:06,067 Speaker 3: So yeah, it'll be definitely something we worked really hard 68 00:03:06,067 --> 00:03:06,707 Speaker 3: at make. 69 00:03:06,627 --> 00:03:10,547 Speaker 4: Sure that we don't give this this South African forwards 70 00:03:10,827 --> 00:03:12,147 Speaker 4: easy ends to our twenty two. 71 00:03:12,467 --> 00:03:15,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, both sides kicked a lot tonight, Jase, how did 72 00:03:15,067 --> 00:03:17,627 Speaker 2: you assess the all black skicking game tonight? 73 00:03:19,507 --> 00:03:23,427 Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, at times really good, we were still going 74 00:03:23,467 --> 00:03:23,667 Speaker 3: to be. 75 00:03:24,227 --> 00:03:25,467 Speaker 4: We still feel like we've got to be a little 76 00:03:25,467 --> 00:03:27,667 Speaker 4: bit braver and keep the ball hand a little bit 77 00:03:27,667 --> 00:03:30,507 Speaker 4: at times and get to get the edges a bit more. 78 00:03:30,587 --> 00:03:33,067 Speaker 4: But yeah, there was times in that first half I 79 00:03:33,067 --> 00:03:35,387 Speaker 4: thought we were really solid. We put pressure on with 80 00:03:35,387 --> 00:03:37,707 Speaker 4: our kicking game and mixed up our game and varied 81 00:03:37,747 --> 00:03:40,627 Speaker 4: our game pretty well. But as I say, when you 82 00:03:40,827 --> 00:03:42,867 Speaker 4: play a lot of your game and you in your 83 00:03:42,907 --> 00:03:46,507 Speaker 4: own fifty, you've got to find better ways to apply 84 00:03:46,587 --> 00:03:47,427 Speaker 4: pressure at the other end. 85 00:03:47,987 --> 00:03:49,787 Speaker 2: How pleased were you though with the moves that led 86 00:03:49,787 --> 00:03:52,587 Speaker 2: to Caleb Clark's two tries, in particular that the catch 87 00:03:52,627 --> 00:03:54,707 Speaker 2: and pass that led to those two tries. 88 00:03:55,947 --> 00:03:58,307 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, we wanted to. We wanted to, you know, 89 00:03:58,347 --> 00:03:59,627 Speaker 3: attack when we had the opportunities. 90 00:03:59,627 --> 00:04:01,147 Speaker 4: I think the first one came from a really good 91 00:04:01,147 --> 00:04:03,827 Speaker 4: set of d with a good tackling, a really good 92 00:04:04,067 --> 00:04:07,187 Speaker 4: turnover attack. And then you know it was good to 93 00:04:07,187 --> 00:04:10,707 Speaker 4: get a sick piece try there from from something we'd 94 00:04:10,747 --> 00:04:15,107 Speaker 4: planned during the week. So that's that's excellent, and you 95 00:04:15,147 --> 00:04:18,267 Speaker 4: know that big moments in games as well. But you 96 00:04:18,307 --> 00:04:20,387 Speaker 4: know there was a bit of a theme with score 97 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,427 Speaker 4: points and then beatter to get out of our end 98 00:04:22,427 --> 00:04:24,827 Speaker 4: as I'd say, so you can tell that's up most 99 00:04:24,867 --> 00:04:25,907 Speaker 4: of my mind at the moment. 100 00:04:26,147 --> 00:04:28,707 Speaker 2: It certainly can. You know, you've referenced that a couple 101 00:04:28,707 --> 00:04:31,827 Speaker 2: of times, so again without you know, I mean, it's 102 00:04:31,907 --> 00:04:35,747 Speaker 2: the game's only just finished. But what are the strategies 103 00:04:35,747 --> 00:04:37,307 Speaker 2: for that, Jase? What will you be looking at this 104 00:04:37,347 --> 00:04:38,907 Speaker 2: week as you head to Cape Town to try and 105 00:04:38,947 --> 00:04:39,947 Speaker 2: be better in that area? 106 00:04:41,547 --> 00:04:42,747 Speaker 3: I was the. 107 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:45,147 Speaker 4: Key thing is how do we want to give so 108 00:04:45,227 --> 00:04:47,587 Speaker 4: the balling and what parts of the field. So obviously 109 00:04:47,867 --> 00:04:48,907 Speaker 4: you don't want to give it to them in the 110 00:04:48,987 --> 00:04:52,467 Speaker 4: twenty two, but it's more, you know, where are we 111 00:04:52,507 --> 00:04:54,627 Speaker 4: where really comfortable to defend from if we're going to 112 00:04:54,627 --> 00:04:55,427 Speaker 4: give position away. 113 00:04:55,467 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 3: So that's something that we'll be looking at really hard 114 00:04:58,067 --> 00:04:58,627 Speaker 3: during the week. 115 00:04:58,707 --> 00:05:00,347 Speaker 4: So I thought a lot of our a lot of 116 00:05:00,387 --> 00:05:05,147 Speaker 4: our defense was really good today, you know, So we'll 117 00:05:05,227 --> 00:05:08,507 Speaker 4: just get really tight around and around how, how and 118 00:05:08,587 --> 00:05:10,587 Speaker 4: where we give the significans the ball to stop their 119 00:05:10,667 --> 00:05:12,507 Speaker 4: forwards getting that role on that they got on the 120 00:05:13,067 --> 00:05:13,987 Speaker 4: last fifteen minutes. 121 00:05:14,307 --> 00:05:16,307 Speaker 2: A lot to be made of their bench impact as well. 122 00:05:16,347 --> 00:05:17,507 Speaker 2: Did you think that was a factor. 123 00:05:20,547 --> 00:05:22,547 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I thought that they all come on on 124 00:05:22,627 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 4: pretty EARLYI than there I think it was forty three 125 00:05:24,067 --> 00:05:27,387 Speaker 4: minutes the old on squad came on, and I think 126 00:05:27,387 --> 00:05:28,907 Speaker 4: we dealt with that pretty well. I think we were 127 00:05:28,987 --> 00:05:30,747 Speaker 4: we were were ten points up with cought them now 128 00:05:30,787 --> 00:05:32,587 Speaker 4: to go, So we dealt with that pretty well. 129 00:05:32,627 --> 00:05:35,627 Speaker 3: And how guys had come on. So I didn't didn't 130 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:38,227 Speaker 3: think that was a major I didn't didn't feel like 131 00:05:38,227 --> 00:05:39,307 Speaker 3: they made a major impact. 132 00:05:39,747 --> 00:05:41,467 Speaker 2: Did you think the first out African try was a 133 00:05:41,547 --> 00:05:41,867 Speaker 2: knock on? 134 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:44,147 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. 135 00:05:44,147 --> 00:05:46,507 Speaker 4: There's a bit of check going around, but I haven't 136 00:05:46,547 --> 00:05:48,267 Speaker 4: seen I couldn't see anything. 137 00:05:48,627 --> 00:05:50,427 Speaker 3: I don't know if there was no replay or something. 138 00:05:50,427 --> 00:05:53,787 Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't see it. But yeah, I 139 00:05:53,827 --> 00:05:55,387 Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I'll have to I maybe 140 00:05:55,507 --> 00:05:56,587 Speaker 3: i'll see that when we have a look at the 141 00:05:56,587 --> 00:05:59,027 Speaker 3: computer and see what that was. Why what what are 142 00:05:59,027 --> 00:05:59,907 Speaker 3: you reckon plaining? Oh? 143 00:05:59,987 --> 00:06:05,307 Speaker 2: Absolute knock on? Jose honestly was one hundred percent. He 144 00:06:05,427 --> 00:06:08,787 Speaker 2: loses it before the line. So yeah, now you've I've 145 00:06:08,787 --> 00:06:10,787 Speaker 2: got away with one there, right, Yeah, have a look 146 00:06:10,787 --> 00:06:14,547 Speaker 2: at it, mate, It's it's one hundred percent of knock on. Hey, 147 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:18,947 Speaker 2: just I go both ways? Yeah, very diplomatic. Hey, just 148 00:06:18,987 --> 00:06:21,707 Speaker 2: before you go, how have you reshuffled responsibilities this week 149 00:06:21,707 --> 00:06:23,267 Speaker 2: with one fewer coach in the setup? 150 00:06:24,547 --> 00:06:28,147 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just a little bits and pieces mate. We're all. 151 00:06:29,627 --> 00:06:32,267 Speaker 4: Ordering a little bit extra and it's you know, it 152 00:06:32,267 --> 00:06:34,227 Speaker 4: hasn't hasn't hindered anything. 153 00:06:34,267 --> 00:06:36,067 Speaker 3: So that's been. It's been okay. 154 00:06:36,107 --> 00:06:38,107 Speaker 4: So I'm just doing a little bits and pieces here 155 00:06:38,107 --> 00:06:40,347 Speaker 4: and there for mainly for myself. 156 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:42,187 Speaker 3: Comes and end, Scotty Henson. 157 00:06:42,507 --> 00:06:44,587 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the call. Jay, Safe travels to captain. 158 00:06:44,627 --> 00:06:46,107 Speaker 2: Look forward to the second test next week. 159 00:06:46,547 --> 00:06:48,067 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks boone, see you mate. 160 00:06:48,187 --> 00:06:50,547 Speaker 2: That's Jason Holland, who I spoke to shortly after the 161 00:06:50,587 --> 00:06:52,667 Speaker 2: final whistle from from Alice Park. 162 00:06:53,347 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 163 00:06:56,627 --> 00:06:59,907 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 164 00:06:59,947 --> 00:07:01,587 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio