1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: It is time for Wednesday's political panel, the first one 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: for between twenty five and Labor's Jenny Anderson is with us. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Good morning, Jinny, good morning, how are you good? Thank you, 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Nice to have you on the show. We're still waiting 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: for Mark Mitchell. Apparently he's probably busy with his new 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: duties as the Ethnic Communities Minister. I'd imagine, well. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: You'll go to a lot of events in that role, 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: so he view, well, could be at an event. 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Is that all it is is just cutting ribbons? 10 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: No? No, there's a lot of very important issues and 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: ethnic communities that need addressing. But there are a lot 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: of ethnic communities right across New Zealand that will all 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: expect to engage with the minister. 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: These have been some criticism, and I say some because 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: it's really just a tiny bit from one particular group, 16 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: the Asian Family Services. He say that replacing somebody who 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: comes from ethnic communities with someone who, in their words, 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: shall we say, comes from the mainstream is not good optics. 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's for those communities to comment on. But from 21 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: my understanding, we have a very diverse range of groups 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: here in the Hut Valley and it's their expectation that 23 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: the Minister for Ethnic Communities has some understanding of being 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: an ethnic minority within New Zealand and some of the 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: different issues. Crime is one of them, but there's a 26 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: whole lot more than just crime that comes on board 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: in terms of a migrant community in New Zealand. 28 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: So you wouldn't take the job. 29 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: Well, look, if the boss asks you do for certain reasons, 30 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: you'd always weigh that up. 31 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: But you would question. 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 2: I would question whether I had that the right capacity 33 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: and skills to be able to take that up. And 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: I think too that there are issues in and around 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: the Royal Commission of Inquiry. There's a whole range of 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: things that weren't completed by this government that ethnic communities 37 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: are quite concerned about. So they're very clear in their 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: requests and some of those are quite legitimate. 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: How did you what did you think of Milania as 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: had most important thing about the inauguration? Yes? Today, it's 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: a very strange choice, wasn't it, Ginny. 42 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: Did you think it was the v vendetta? Did you 43 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: think did you get that time? Now? 44 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: I got Carmen San Diego. 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well you couldn't see her eyes, so you know, 46 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: there was there's something in there. When you can't see 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: someone's eyes right, they're definitely not happy. 48 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about something more serious, Donald Trump and the 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: teriffs that are potentially going to come our way. Is 50 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: the government because I asked Christopher luxeaning about this is 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 1: today and you know, he said, oh, well, we'll wait 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: and see. I mean, do you think the government is 53 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: on top of this enough? Are we doing enough scenario planning? 54 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: Do we have the people in the right places to 55 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: try and head this off? 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: When New Zealand's always incredibly small player and situations like that, 57 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: and more often than not, we do come off second 58 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: best because the United States won't be thinking about us 59 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: and their planning. So I hope those those scenarios are 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 2: in place because it's usually the primary septor particularly that 61 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: gets hit the most when tariffs like that are put 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: in place. 63 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: We had the first poll out this year and it 64 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: showed that national was in the twenty I mean, it 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: was twenty nine points something, but that labor had eat 66 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: a head slightly. You're not going to get too excited 67 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: by that one pole a you not. 68 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Just a first poll, but it does indicate that the 69 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: economy is biting you know that pole. When I looked 70 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: at it, it was cost of living crisis that was 71 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: hitting people quite hard and that continues to eat away 72 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: at the extraction Kiwi family's pockets. So I think that's 73 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: New Zealanders aren't really getting what they voted for, and 74 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: that that is coming through in the polls. 75 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: Is to be safe. I mean, I mean, obviously this 76 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: is a good poll for him, but do you think 77 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: he'll be there through to the next election. 78 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: I think he will be. Yes. We are one hundred 79 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: percent behind him. He's the leader we want to see 80 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: taking the fight to this government. In the holiday always 81 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: gives us a good period to reconnect in with communities 82 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: and talk to people, and there's a lot of dissatisfaction 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: out there. But all the feedback I get from the 84 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: group's I move within is that he's the right person 85 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: to be taking us forward into terms of pointing out 86 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: where this government is failing in New Zealanders. 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: We're still trying to get hold of Mark Mitchell, so 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: we'll keep you updated on what's going there. 89 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: I've been really nice. I could have gone hard out 90 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: on Mike Mitchell, but I haven't. 91 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Do you know, what do you know what Jenny, you 92 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: have forty seconds go nor the personality I look forward to. No, Hey, 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: I'm very quickly. I've just had a text coming. This 94 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: is this is quite serious. Is a text coming from 95 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Mark presumably not Mark Mitchell. Hi Ron asked Jenny why 96 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: she wasn't at the police funeral. I was there but 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: didn't see her. Were you there? 98 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: I was at both funerals, so it's been a sad 99 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: start to the year. I'd have to say to attend 100 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 2: both Senior Sergeant lind Fleming's funeral as well as Tuddy 101 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: and a Twotias. So yeah, both of those funerals I 102 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: went to and it was really said to see two 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: very different, very strong community leaders who are women pass away. 104 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: Big loss for New Zealand. 105 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely obviously a national and that taxpayer carrier pole down 106 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: in the twenty nine ish and labor getting a bump. 107 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: What do you put that bump down to? 108 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: Well, I think we've sustained a good attack on the 109 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: government in those areas that are hurting the most. And 110 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: as I've said, it's cost of living that really is 111 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: hitting Kiwis a lot. But there have been a number 112 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: of other issues that have really consumed New Zealanders health 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: gear is right up there. A lot of New Zealand 114 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: is not being able to get a GP when they 115 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: need it, and that's starting to really cause concern. So 116 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 2: I think cost of living and health are the two 117 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: areas that are causing the government to get that hit 118 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: in the pole. 119 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Which is why he's in Christopher Luxe and has gone 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: ahead and put Sime and Brown into Health right to 121 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: try and heed that off. 122 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: You've got to expect that you're having a GP in 123 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: there has not been sufficient for his you know, he 124 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: wants someone in there who's going to be a bit 125 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: more hard nosed and getting delivery, and that's caused the reshuffle. 126 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: Can you see how people might find it a little 127 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: infuriating when they see that in their view, it was 128 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: you guys that created these problems in the first place, 129 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: to merge all the DHBs at a time when it 130 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been done, creating some of the financial pressures 131 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: that the systems now wonder same goes for the economy. 132 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: I don't accept that, no. I think the health crisis 133 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: has been decades in the making, and one of the 134 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: biggest problems we don't talk about is the increase in 135 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: population without increasing services to meet that population increase. We've 136 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: seed a huge amount will come into New Zealand. So 137 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: in terms of the changing to the health system, the 138 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: DHB system was broken and we took steps to fix that. 139 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: But the problem with GPS and not paying them enough 140 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: has been around for a long time. 141 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: Did you were going to fix the system? Do you 142 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: think you did? 143 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: I think trying to completely fix a health system in 144 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: a period of six years is impossible. You can take 145 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: steps to try and to try and realign it, but 146 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: as this government has found out, there is a huge 147 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: amount of money required to make our health system work 148 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: adequately and cutting services, cutting doctors, cutting frontline services is 149 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: not the way to do it. 150 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well they would argue that they're not cutting front 151 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: line services, but we can part that. There's my bit 152 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: for Mark who's absent the Treaty Principles bill that's going 153 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: before Select Committee. Well, what do you think the vibe 154 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: is going to be like here? What's your reading of 155 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: it from the inside at the moment. Do you think 156 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: this is going to be a civil discussion about things 157 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: or do you think it could get a little bit heated. 158 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's a really unusual situation Ryan, because this is 159 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: the first bill I've ever set on that's not going 160 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: any further. So we're hearing submissions on something that's not 161 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: going to get a successful second reading. So it's quite 162 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 2: difficult to understand what kind of chaos we'll see the 163 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: government centered into a really weird deal where we have 164 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: to hear of all these submissions on a bill that's, 165 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: according to the Prime Minister, are not going to become law. 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: So I think the weird setup that has caused it 167 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: will cause a certain level of chaos where people come 168 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: in and give their views from a range of different perspectives. 169 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: Hundred thousand submissions, do you know how many of them 170 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: are actually read like legitimate? Not legitimate but written ones 171 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: somebody has taken the time to pen at themselves as 172 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: opposed to those pre populated formulated ones. 173 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: The clerks are going through a process right now of 174 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: sifting them all through, but from my understanding, a good 175 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: proportion of them are legitimate submissions. There are some groups 176 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: that are on either side that set up what is 177 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: like a portal where you just have to enter your 178 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: name in one line and it generates the submission. But 179 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: I don't have the data on how many of all 180 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: those submissions come under that sort of form standard. 181 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're going to have a lot of 182 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: work to get through in the next couple of months. 183 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Friday's our first day. I understand and will be 184 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: sitting for hours on end a long time hearing those submissions. 185 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: But I'm kind of I'm interested to hear what New 186 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 2: Zealanders have to say. It's an important point on both sides. Yeah, 187 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: I am. I'm very interested. I've always been interested in. 188 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: Those few five what's your goals for this year? What 189 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: do you want to achieve? 190 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: I want to make sure I continue to hold this 191 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: government to account in those areas that we know that 192 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: they need to be doing better. So family violence, for 193 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: me is number one. I'm really concerned about the levels 194 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: of family violence in New Zealand, and I think dis 195 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: government should be doing a lot better to prevent not 196 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: only children, but families from being exposed to family hearts. 197 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, we've had a terrible start to the year. 198 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: Terrible start to the year. 199 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, how does that make you feel. 200 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: It's a harowing experience to continue to see the same 201 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: mistakes being made again and again. And one of the 202 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: reasons I got involved in politics was to understand how 203 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: we can work better within government and with communities to 204 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: prevent needlessly lives being lost. 205 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: Jinny, thank you very much for that. Jinny Anderson, who 206 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: is with the Labor Party. We couldn't get Mark Mitchell 207 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: up on the line, but he'll be here next Wednesday 208 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: with Mike Genny. Thank you for your time, Jenny Anderson 209 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: from Labored. For more from the Mic Asking breakth, listen 210 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: live to News Talks at B from six am weekdays, 211 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.