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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to Saturday Mornings. I'm Franchesco Budkins

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Speaker 2: filling in for Jack. Tame for the Morning. Can be

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Speaker 2: back next Saturday now. Lime Cordial, who you're listening to now,

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Speaker 2: are Australia's ultimate purveyors of breezy indie rock. Brothers Olie

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Speaker 2: and Louis have amassed more than half a billion streams

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Speaker 2: on Spotify since the band's inception in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: As well as backing multiple ARIA Awards and performing around

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Speaker 2: the world, they have even cemented themselves as standouts, even

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Speaker 2: more so with their brand new album Enough of the

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Speaker 2: Sweet Talk and the Lime Cordial Boys are worth me now.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good to have you with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Good morning, good to be here.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations third album wall Who.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, Like I remember doing our first album

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Speaker 4: and we didn't feel like we were going to be taken

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Speaker 4: seriously as a band until we had an album out.

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Speaker 3: So now we're at number three. Yeah, it's pretty insane.

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Speaker 2: Tell me a little bit. This is a bit of

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Speaker 2: a concept album in a way. Tell me a little

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Speaker 2: bit about sort of what's behind this album because you're

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Speaker 2: trying to tell it. You're telling a story of a

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Speaker 2: relationship sort of in a chronological order. Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean we're still trying to work out whether it

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Speaker 4: is a concept album or not. I'm still getting familiar

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Speaker 4: with that term, but it's been thrown around a bit.

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Speaker 4: And I guess if there's a concept behind an album

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Speaker 4: as a whole, then you call it a concept album.

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Speaker 3: Right, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Think I'm probably showing my age by calling it a

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Speaker 2: concept album.

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Speaker 4: I'd say let's go with concept album. It sounds it

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Speaker 4: sounds good, sounds ardie, it sounds professional.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I do? You know what I

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Speaker 2: love about that, though, is that, you know, I've got

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Speaker 2: two teenage kids who don't understand anything beyond shuffling an

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Speaker 2: album and shuffling songs and things, you know, And it

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Speaker 2: is I grew up in an area and I mean

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Speaker 2: we still have vinyl these days, but you know, CDs

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Speaker 2: and vinyl and things. You put an album on and

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Speaker 2: you listen to it from the beginning to the end,

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Speaker 2: and it kind of took you on a journey, and

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Speaker 2: that was sort of the part of the joy of

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Speaker 2: listening to an album, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I mean I think we had maybe the biggest

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Speaker 4: year of vinyl sales last year ever, So vinyls are

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Speaker 4: kind of popping off more than ever and people it's

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Speaker 4: a good sign because people love to have a little

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Speaker 4: bit more than just a file on their computer or

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Speaker 4: be streaming it. They want to, yeah, just be a

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Speaker 4: bit more involved and be able to look through this artwork,

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Speaker 4: which is really cool to know that that's coming back

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Speaker 4: more than ever.

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Speaker 5: It is nice to have a big physical piece.

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Speaker 3: Of art in your hand as well.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and listening to an album from front to back.

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Speaker 4: I think you know, the move from like Napster and downloading,

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Speaker 4: up internet and you can only really download.

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Speaker 3: One song at a time.

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Speaker 4: You know, now that we're on streaming services, it feels

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Speaker 4: like people are kind of going, oh, have you heard

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Speaker 4: this album? I'll put on the whole album. So there's

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Speaker 4: that does feel pretty great. You know, people are enjoying

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Speaker 4: getting into a whole thing. But yeah, we've got we've

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Speaker 4: got a big, big Spotify liked songs list that we

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Speaker 4: just shuffle through. So there's definitely guilty. We're guilty of

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Speaker 4: the shuffle, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: I think we all are Does the love or the

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Speaker 5: I think that's the funny thing about doing it together.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of you know, you have to you have

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Speaker 5: to separate. You're living the same you know, heartbreaks and

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Speaker 5: love affairs and you know all of that, and then

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Speaker 3: Know, therapy sessions. Therapy sessions we've been calling.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've sort of realized that these songwriting sessions are

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Speaker 4: sometimes the only time we chat about deep issues. You know,

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Speaker 4: being Australian men, we just like don't go deep all

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Speaker 4: if it's for the greatness of a song, that's more

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Speaker 4: talking about these things that we don't always talk about.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I've been in a relationship for ten

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Speaker 4: Louis's end with this one, unfortunately for him, not unfortunately

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't want to speak on behalf of all

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Speaker 2: the men of New Zealand, but I'm sure that they

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Speaker 2: feel very much the same way you do. Was there

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Speaker 2: any hesidancy going into the third album? I mean, the

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Speaker 2: first two have just been received so well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we we're really proud of how how

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Speaker 4: way more pressure, I think, you know, and our fan

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Speaker 4: to a bigger fan base. There's definitely you know, it's

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Speaker 4: when we first started, we wanted to kind of rush

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Speaker 4: And I don't think it really got finished for another

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Speaker 4: lot of breaks. I think it was important for us

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Speaker 2: What I love about the songs, Louis is that there's

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Speaker 2: you don't quite know what's going to come nixed When

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Speaker 2: you write the songs, do you do you see them

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Speaker 4: Well, when we're writing, we tend to write and sort

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Speaker 4: go we're not or we're not really. Yeah, we don't

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Speaker 4: although we're sort of trying to do that more because

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Speaker 4: So we yeah, but often, you know, often we might

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Speaker 3: So yeah, but I.

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Speaker 4: and having your doubts. I think we loved making sounds

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Speaker 4: you know, at some point we're pretty keen to build

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Speaker 2: So then so then of course now you need to

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Speaker 2: Is that fun? Is that fun? Kind of taking this

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Speaker 3: We just mind it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, got the lips thinking.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely. You know, when you first write the song,

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Speaker 4: Well, and you're playing it all the time, and then like,

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Speaker 3: I need to relearn how to do it, so learn

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what we're working on right now, getting

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Speaker 2: What's the live scene like in Australia. We've got a

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Speaker 3: How was it in Australia, it's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Sydney live music scene has changed a lot since we

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Speaker 3: A lot of venues couldn't survive. And then there was.

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Speaker 4: the Sydney has had a bit of a hard time.

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Speaker 4: that's the thing, more avenues and ways of reaching.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I feel like you need

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Speaker 4: so many different ways. Definitely online, but for us it

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Speaker 4: making that carbon neutral and cans instead of glasses, like

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Speaker 4: the different different reasons behind how we've done things with

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Speaker 3: Merchandise we like it to be.

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Speaker 3: And then I think the main thing for us.

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Speaker 4: That we feel bad about is air you know, airplanes

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Speaker 4: you've got to make sure that it's credible and you're

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Speaker 3: You got to look into it a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of like every part of the business, and

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Speaker 4: it's a high carbon producing business that we've got. We

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's our project at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Because it's been a delight to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for your time, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: This is infictious indie pop music. I'm going to listen

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, yeah, clapping a lot, loving it Hey, thanks

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