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Speaker 1: Schools scrambling to fill teacher vacancies. Three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: six full time jobs currently up for grabs. Apparently students

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Speaker 1: get to return next week. They'll be happy about that,

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Speaker 1: but who's going to be teaching them? Kate Gains for

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Speaker 1: Secondary Principles. Sorry, Secondary Principles Council chairs with us.

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Speaker 2: Kate, good morning, good morning, whate it. What types of

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Speaker 2: teachers are you missing here?

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Speaker 3: Well, historically there's been sort of ebbs and flows of

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Speaker 3: the types of teachers, and we have seen in the

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Speaker 3: past shortages of maths and science and technology and the

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Speaker 3: teachers ofterdel but what we're seeing now is much more

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Speaker 3: widespread than that with in secondary schools across the book board, English,

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Speaker 3: Physical Education.

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Speaker 1: The lot apparently there was I saw a comment from

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Speaker 1: a principle that they've got lots of applications from foreign

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Speaker 1: trained teachers, but they want local ones.

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Speaker 2: Can beggars be choosers.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, schools are employing a lot of overseas teachers

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Speaker 3: and some of the international education systems are really suffering

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Speaker 3: feeling the result of that. So I know that lots

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Speaker 3: of New Zealand schools have employed a lot of people

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Speaker 3: from the Philippines and from Fiji, and so we are

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Speaker 3: employing a lot of people from overseas as fast as

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Speaker 3: we can.

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Speaker 2: So we're not being picky. We're not being picky.

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Speaker 3: Well, all schools must be picky when they are when

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Speaker 3: they are advertising and selecting people to go in front

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Speaker 3: of students. But the field is not big.

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Speaker 2: So what do we need to do about that.

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Speaker 1: You're obviously not advocating for getting more foreign trained teachers

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Speaker 1: and then stealing them from other countries, so you want

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Speaker 1: to build up the local workforce.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's we're having to do both. We're

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Speaker 3: having to have people from overseas, and we've had some

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Speaker 3: very very good teachers come into New Zealand from overseas.

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Speaker 3: But it is a worldwide problem. But at the same time, yes,

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Speaker 3: we do need to be building up our own pool

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Speaker 3: of people and it's a bit of a doing it

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Speaker 3: as as as we could be because this problem has

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Speaker 3: been hanging around now for some years.

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Speaker 1: Kate, thank you very much for that. Kate Gains did

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