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Speaker 1: Very so for senior political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: So has Nikola Will has been asked about the GDP No, well.

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Speaker 2: She was asked about it in parliament. Was the indication

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Speaker 2: was that the economy is not doing what it should be.

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Speaker 1: Doing because the numbers coming out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: The GDP number is coming out tomorrow, but it covers

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Speaker 2: April to June, so it's well out. It's way back.

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Speaker 2: You've got to say, economists anticipate a contraction on the

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Speaker 2: economy forecasts for between zero point three and zero point

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Speaker 2: five percent. It should be remembered though that that followed

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Speaker 2: a zero point eight percent at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 2: so we started off quite positively and then started going downhill.

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Speaker 2: And this one is not going to be good news.

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Speaker 2: And you'd have to say the Finance minister was it

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Speaker 2: pained to emphasize that tomorrow's number is not going to

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Speaker 2: be a good one. Nikola Will have told Parliament this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It's important to put the figure into some sort of

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Speaker 2: perspective though.

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Speaker 3: This is a good example of award looking data. The

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Speaker 3: second quarter started on the first of April, before the

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Speaker 3: Liberation Day tariff announcements, the biggest hit to trade openness

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Speaker 3: since the nineteen thirties. And we are now only a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks away from the fourth quarter. Peering in

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Speaker 3: the rear view mirror. Forecasters are picking a negative number

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Speaker 3: for growth in Q two, somewhere between negative zero points

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Speaker 3: three percent to negative zero point five percent.

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Speaker 2: So not going to be good. She's certainly softening the blow,

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Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. But she did say that

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Speaker 2: she believes now the quarter we're in at the moment

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Speaker 2: will be plus zero point five percent with the final

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Speaker 2: quarter this year. So she said this publicly just under

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Speaker 2: one percent. So one can only hope the economy is

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Speaker 2: turning the corner. And we see the trade deficit today

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Speaker 2: was quite minimal compared to what it has been.

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Speaker 3: YEA.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's obviously feeling sensitive about it because those that

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Speaker 1: poll that came yesterday, yep, was that you know, she

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Speaker 1: and the current government at copying the blame.

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Speaker 2: For this, They are copying the blame.

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Speaker 1: FARS vote is a concerned all right.

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Speaker 4: So Shane Jones has been elected to a position that

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Speaker 4: probably all of us assumed he had anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we've even thought about a deputy

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Speaker 2: Leader of New Zealand. First, I mean it's nominated so

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Speaker 2: much by Winston Peter.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't Ron Mark the deputy once, Yes, he was although.

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Speaker 2: Wanted deputy, although I remember he wanted to be leader,

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Speaker 2: that's right. I think he was deputy. Fletcher Tabatao he

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Speaker 2: was deputy between seventeen and twenty Yeah, when they first

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Speaker 2: went into coalition with the Labor Party. So it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting one and I think what it does is it

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Speaker 2: could signal two things. One to Stuart Nash, who's clearly

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Speaker 2: wanted to enter the New Zealand first fray and will

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Speaker 2: no doubt be nominated as a candidate somewhere along the track.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's telling him Shane still.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right. The other thing it could indicate

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Speaker 2: is that Winston Peters is considering his own retirement, although

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't put any money on that at all. I

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Speaker 2: mean he might be eighty, but as an octagenarian Winston

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Speaker 2: performs still pretty well. He's a good foreign Minister and

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Speaker 2: I think he quite likes the job and he will want,

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Speaker 2: I think, probably to run again next year of his

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Speaker 2: healthholds up, and it looks as though it's holding.

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Speaker 1: Up for that question, not why if he was prepared

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Speaker 1: to hand it out to others beforehand, like Fletcher and Ron.

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Speaker 1: Why he makes Shane work so bloody hard for it?

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Speaker 1: Does he? Because they've been deputyless this entire term.

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Speaker 2: Well noted though that that's the thing. And look, Shane

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Speaker 2: Jones is a performer. I think he's one of the

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Speaker 2: better performers in Parliament. He hits the nail on the head.

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Speaker 2: He might get up the back of many, but he's

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Speaker 2: a very good orator and I think is a very

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Speaker 2: colorful member of New Zealand first and they could do

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Speaker 2: worse in appointing him as the leader after Winston finally

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Speaker 2: calls it quit.

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Speaker 4: So has National got in trouble for making the announcements

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Speaker 4: of announcers?

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Speaker 1: Oh well they are want to do well.

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Speaker 2: This gave me a fit of dejacquesvous, I've got to say, though,

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Speaker 2: it was a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

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Speaker 2: When Chris Hopkins went after the government for making announcements

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Speaker 2: of an announcement. Labor made an art form of that.

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Speaker 2: You'll remember when it was in government in its own right,

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Speaker 2: and we were constantly talking about it on this program.

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Speaker 2: Still trippy seems to have a short memory, because he

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Speaker 2: was pointing the finger at Chris Luxen for doing exactly

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Speaker 2: the same thing here.

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Speaker 4: He is he's more interested in announcements than actually funding

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Speaker 4: and delivering the infrastructure that New Zeala needs.

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Speaker 1: A crocodile tears. Crocodile tears were trying to gaslight the

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Speaker 1: nation here. Let's just be clear.

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Speaker 2: You crashed the joint.

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Speaker 1: You didn't deliver anything.

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Speaker 5: It's incredibly disappointing after six years, three years with an

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Speaker 5: absoute jot, you did so very very little.

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Speaker 3: South Entry.

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Speaker 5: David Seawall, is the government committed to construction projects that

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Speaker 5: are actually constructed or is there any circumstance where it

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Speaker 5: would ever content itself with announcing bike bridges and light

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Speaker 5: rail that doesn't get built for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: We have real projects, not phantom projects.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that baby boomers bike bridge to Birkenhead.

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Speaker 2: We will never forget that. I mean, I think they

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Speaker 2: spent what fifty million dollars on that, and we're still

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Speaker 2: waiting on the bike bridge to burken here.

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Speaker 1: I think we're still waiting for an idea quite as

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Speaker 1: stupid as that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Barry exactly appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent.

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