1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: From the Labor Party, Ginny Anderson, good morning, good morning, 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: and from the National Party, Mark Mitchell, good morning to you. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: Good morning, Mike, Ginny. Did I make a mistake before 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: the news? Where did I get the idea that Andrew 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Little was from New Plymouth? 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: He stood in New Plymouth and he has lived there 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: for some time, so he was Yeah, he stood there, 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: but he now lives in an Island Bay. 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Right, so so has he lived as my texts has 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: he said? My text here says he's lived in Ireland 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Bay for fifteen years, which I don't think is true 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: because he's stood for New Plymouth. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 2: His family, I can know his mum lived there for 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: a while. I'd have to go double check, but he's 15 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: got family connections there and he has lived there in 16 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: his life and spent time growing up there. 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Would he be better than Tory? Would any I mean, 18 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: let's be honest, would anyone better than Absolutely? 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: I think he'd be pretty good, to be honest, I 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: think he'd cut through a lot of the mucking around. 21 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they've kind of debated whether to 22 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: bulldoze the Bagonia House for about you know, five months 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: or six months. 24 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: It's a crying that's beautiful there. 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: But he's someone who would kind of not just announce 26 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: things and then do a you turn and muck around. 27 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: That he would get on with the job and I 28 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: think he'd realized the importance of creating consensus and a 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: council and if once you've got your majority, having agreement 30 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: in just getting work done, I think he'd be good 31 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: at that. 32 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: Can I ask the question that I'm assuming a lot 33 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: of people would ask if he ran. If you can't 34 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: run the country and you can't run the Labor Party, 35 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: what makes you think you can run. 36 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: Wellington well I think he's the kind of person that 37 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: doesn't divide people, and I think that's problematic at local 38 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: government level that some people don't quite realize that you've 39 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: got a range of different views and you need to 40 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: bring them together to get progress happening. I think he's 41 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: quite level headed and you would be trusted as a 42 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 2: good safe pair of henes just to get progress and 43 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Wellington desperately needs it. We just need some progress to 44 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: start happening and to help with life and economic vitality 45 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: back into our city mark. 46 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: Have you met the Napui people up north on the 47 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: meth and fhetamine. 48 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: No, we meet today. We've got a meeting today with them, 49 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: so they're in Wellington, so we'll all be coming together 50 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: for a meeting later on it this afternoon. 51 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Because that report that went to this is separate he 52 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: wrote to you. But the report that went to cases Castello, 53 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: I mean, what are shambles with organized crime and the 54 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: myth and the I mean, jeez, well. 55 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: We know that we've got a big problem as a country. 56 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: We know that this has taken decades to sort of 57 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: grow and manifest itself. But I can tell you this 58 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: that in the last eighty months we've already taken really 59 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: firm steps in terms of dealing with that. We committed 60 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 3: to make sure that we get on top of it. 61 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: It is going to take a whole of system approaching. 62 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: When I say that, I mean like central government, local government, 63 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: community groups, a private sector. But look, we can get 64 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: on top of it. When it was certainly not that 65 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: we haven't waived the white flag on the amount of 66 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: crime that we still grow over the last six years, 67 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: we're slowly getting on top of that. 68 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: We're going to get on. 69 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: Top of this. 70 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: You need to both of you, though, do something about 71 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: this business. How many reports have I read in my 72 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: forty four years in this industry that say there's not 73 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: enough sharing of information between government departments and there are 74 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: rules of regulations and attitudes around that and none of that, 75 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: and this report says the same thing. None of that 76 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: seems to have changed. Why not? 77 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: So we are breaking those walls down. And of course 78 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: you know that the whole idea of a social Investment 79 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: agency is to make sure that we get all the 80 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: government agencies that historically operate in silos working together and 81 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: focused on we're the best use of tax bars, money 82 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 3: lies and what will deliver the best results. And that 83 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: comes to fighting crime as well. And look, the classic 84 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: example is myself and Simon Wattson and Casey Costello, who 85 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: of course is my associate and has got the delegation 86 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: for this. And the reason why she has that is 87 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: because she's also got Customs and they've got an important 88 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: role to play around law enforcement. And she was a 89 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: qualified detective, she was a vice president with the Police Association. 90 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: She's outstanding, very experienced in her and I work very 91 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: closely together in terms of dealing with this. But I 92 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: had a meeting with Simon watts who as the Minister 93 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: for Ird just before Christmas and said we've got to 94 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 3: get information, share and support happening across the agency is 95 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: much better. And that's happening. 96 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: Are they running If I'm running pe AM, I running 97 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: that through the IRD, I'm more cash operation. 98 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: No, I'd like to can I say that would be nice? 99 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: I think that well to note actually she slightly loosened 100 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: up anti money laundering laws. Here's a billet selectimitting now 101 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: which we're taking a look at. So it is it 102 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: is a concern about how much money laundering. John Ke 103 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: was pretty good at cracking down on that, and I 104 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: think we actually need to take a closer look at it. 105 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 2: But these two key issues that we need an answer to. 106 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: First of all, we need to know how much it's 107 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: the Mexican cartails coming and selling meath much cheaper. It's 108 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: dropped in about thirty eight percent in price. It's the 109 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: biggest price drop in New Zealand's history, and that means 110 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: the market is flooded with cheap methamphetamine. And the second 111 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: point we need to really find out is is it 112 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: the same user group using more using is that the 113 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: ninety six percent increase or is it a widened group. 114 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: Are the younger people using and that's the big worry 115 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: because that stills over into retail crime. 116 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: So at the moment, the evidence on the second point 117 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: is the fact that we're not seeing although that obviously 118 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: in the latest wastewater testing there's been a massive increase, 119 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: we're not seeing that manifest itself in the health system 120 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 3: or so we don't know the people more. 121 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and the excerpts have said so. Chris Wilkins, 122 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: I'm sure, who's been in the space for twenty years, 123 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: says that it takes about three to four months maybe 124 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: more for it to kind of for one a bit 125 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: of a word, to actually start showing in social disintegration 126 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: as family units start to break down and people commit 127 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: crime against the people they love. That's what it does 128 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: to communities, and so it'll take four or five months 129 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: for those kinds of times to start presenting in there. 130 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: A couple of quickies Ginny Mark with us Jinny David 131 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: Parker thoughts out of ten. 132 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He's a huge contribution and to 133 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: be honest, he's a personal friend. I've known him pretty 134 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: much straight away since he came into Parliament and he's 135 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: one of those people that if you've got a problem 136 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: or you're dealing with an issue, you can go into 137 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: his office and talk to him and he will just 138 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 2: give you an hour. He's really generous and incredibly clever. 139 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: Real smart guy. 140 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Yes, he is a thought smart. Yeah. 141 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: I really liked David. I mean, I remember when I 142 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: was Defense Minister. I took him up to Bagdad to 143 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: see our troops up there, and he came back and 144 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: he was very supportive of them, and I got to 145 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: know him on that trip, and so yeah, just huge 146 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: acknowledgment and respect for his service and what he's done. 147 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: He's obviously moving on to greenw Field, so they say 148 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: that when you leave Parliament you're immediately ten years younger, 149 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: so I'm sure he's hoping that happens as well. 150 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: Protection for MP's Ginny. They're looking at this at the moment. 151 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: Shane Jones obviously is in the news. Brownly apparently is 152 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: looking to say do you feel you need something more 153 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: than what you have, which, as far as I can 154 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: work out as an alarm and nothing else. 155 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: I would say that I think post COVID things shifted. 156 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: You did get more kind of weird stuff happening in 157 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: set of threats not just on social media but in 158 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,679 Speaker 2: other areas as well. So yeah, I think the threat 159 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: risk has probably increased. To be honest, it's for for 160 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: not like not park Our women get it far more, 161 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: far greater in terms of online abuse. And that's just 162 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: the honest truth. But the kinds of things people are 163 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: saying to you are kind of weird, and yeah, so 164 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 2: I always watch it myself to see what they're actually saying. 165 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: And sometimes, to be honest, maybe I shouldn't, but I 166 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: do respond to emails I get that that are religion 167 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: weird stuff, do you, because I feel they deserve a 168 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: response a lot from your show actually, not to be 169 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,559 Speaker 2: forget about four or five emails from different individuals around 170 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: the company country with some pretty interesting views, and I 171 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: often I usually respond. So maybe that's maybe I should 172 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: stop doing that. 173 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: But official, and I guess you're sort of open to 174 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, Mark, do you, I mean in 175 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: a high but really like when you're Minister of the Crown, Mark, 176 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: so police police, but I think most people will be 177 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: on your side ish now, apart from maybe the gangs, 178 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: but in those contentious areas. I mean, Shane Jones's wife 179 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: doesn't deserve what happened at all the deport does she know. 180 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: What the completely totally you know, condemn that behavior and 181 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: without a doubt. I think since past COVID, for some reason, 182 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: boundaries have changed. People are more aggressive and which is 183 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: bad as a country. We have to start to move 184 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: ourselves back in the other direction. Look to be honest 185 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: with you, I've been lucky. Yes, I can't talk publicly 186 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: about some of the threats that I've had. They do come. 187 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: They've been mostly because of the work they've done around gangs. 188 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: That's not going to stop. But I worry about my staff. 189 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: We had someone in my office last week that required 190 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: a police response, and you know that that's the world 191 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 3: that we live in. For me, I just I'm not alarmist. 192 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 3: I'm just situation where and make sure that my staff 193 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: and every want is safe from around me. 194 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: A couple of mark Do you know anything about Hamish 195 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Campbell of Ireland and two by twos and what the 196 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: hell's going on here and whether this is a thing 197 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: or not? 198 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: To me, it just looks like a huge nothing beat up. 199 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: You know, I know Hamous very well. He's a good guy. 200 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: He's a very good local MP, really diligent, hard working, 201 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: hard working in our caucus. So I don't I've only 202 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: seen what I've read in the media, and to me, 203 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 3: it's like, I don't really know what they're going on 204 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 3: with it. 205 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: What do you do? Do you have a view, Ginny? Do 206 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: you know what the two are? 207 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: Not? In perhaps I and I've ever been advised into one. No, 208 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: I have read about them. I'm always a bit interested 209 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: in cults and you know, like sort of small groups. 210 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: I've read about them, and I think the fearpoint would 211 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: be if there is a police investigation relating to child 212 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: abuse and that needs to play out, then you need 213 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 2: to of. 214 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: Course, I don't think anyone's arguing that what I couldn't 215 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: work out is the repolice investigation in New Zealand. 216 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: I think that I FBI have contacted New Zealand. There 217 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: seems to be like there's a bit obscure, but there 218 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: seems to be some contact. Mike will probably know more, 219 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: but it seems like I fb I have contacted New 220 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: Zealand police for information and there's some sort. 221 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: Of well that's that's that would be an operational meta. 222 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: So no, I don't know anything about that. And if 223 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: there's a FBI joint police investigation. Then let that happen 224 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 3: and let them control that in reporting. 225 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: It just couldn't work out whether he's been ping, because 226 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's I don't know what the two X 227 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: twos do or don't do. But at the end of 228 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: the day, unless he's directly accused in some way, shape 229 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: or form of doing something illegal, being part of something 230 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: isn't a thing is And it's like saying, look, there's 231 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: a lot of dodgy people in the Roman Catholic Church 232 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: and what do you know about that? 233 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: I agree with you completely. That's the whole point is 234 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 3: why are they reporting on something that unless you know, 235 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: unless there is involvement or something like that, And to me, 236 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: it just looks like a beat up. 237 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: Just quickly, Ginny, I'm up against it now, Benjamin Doyle. 238 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Do we need to have something more than what we 239 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: have currently by way of information detail anything? 240 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, again, it's a similar situation to the 241 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: one you've just discussed. If there are a grounds for 242 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 2: a further investigation, that's that there are people to do that, 243 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: But I don't think so. I think more in terms 244 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: of a safety it seems like there's been some pretty 245 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: significant de threats to him, So I think there needs 246 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: to be some serious considerations around whether he can continue 247 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: to feel safe in the parliamentary environment and even in 248 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: the public as well. 249 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, anything make no. 250 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: I just think in terms of the safety thing, Look, 251 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: I totally agree that, you know, people should be able 252 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: to feel safe whether they're at home, whether the out 253 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 3: in public, or they're in their workplace. So that's the 254 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: number one thing that needs to be adressed. But at 255 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: the end of the day, he's paid by the tech. 256 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: We're all paid by the text pars. We're in service 257 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: of the text pars and donations which we find up 258 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 3: to work here. 259 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: Good stuf. Nice talk to you, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson. 260 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 261 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: news talks they'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 262 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.