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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show coming up today. Matt Doucy, the

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Speaker 4: Tourism Minister, on the tourist levee being hiked to one

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Speaker 4: hundred bucks. That's up three times. Simon Bridges the Auckland

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Speaker 4: Chamber of Commerce on the fact that liquidations are up

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Speaker 4: nearly twenty percent year on year and Auckland's particularly hard hit.

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Speaker 4: And Sir Ian Taylor on what on earth he wants

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Speaker 4: to do with that waterfront museum.

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Speaker 5: Heather dupic Allen.

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Speaker 4: So today the government has done exactly the thing that

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Speaker 4: the tourism industry was hoping that they wouldn't do, and

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Speaker 4: they've increased the visitor levee, which is the amount that

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Speaker 4: tourists pay to come here, and it's going from thirty

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Speaker 4: five bucks to one hundred bucks, which is the high

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Speaker 4: end of what they were considering. I mean, the government

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Speaker 4: could have gone fifty bucks, could have gone seventy bucks.

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Speaker 4: In fact, they could have just have left it at

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Speaker 4: thirty five bucks if they wanted to, but they went

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Speaker 4: full noise to one. Now, in principle, I'm on board

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Speaker 4: with this. I've long thought and it's not you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not alone in thinking this. I think a lot

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Speaker 4: of us think this, that tourists need to pay a

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Speaker 4: little bit more for the stuff that they're using here,

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Speaker 4: because if they're not paying more for it, we're paying

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Speaker 4: for it for them, right, We're subsidizing them. I mean,

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Speaker 4: how long have we talked about those poor punters who

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Speaker 4: live in Queenstown who have to pay for the roads

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Speaker 4: that the tourists jam up. They pay for the water

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Speaker 4: infrastructure that tourism gets to use so tourists have a

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Speaker 4: nice time. They pay for the public toilets that the

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Speaker 4: tourists use. The list goes on, right, and it's not

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Speaker 4: fair on ratepayers in Queenstown and frankly anywhere else in

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Speaker 4: this country where tourists like to go, who are essentially

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Speaker 4: subsidizing an industry. But while I'm on board with this

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Speaker 4: in principle, I really think the timing is massively often

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Speaker 4: this is the wrong time to be doing this. For

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Speaker 4: some reason, tourists are not coming back to New Zealand

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Speaker 4: like we thought that they would five years on from COVID,

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Speaker 4: and I'm counting it from COVID really starting back in

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, five years on, our tourism industry numbers are

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Speaker 4: only back to about eighty percent, So where we used

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Speaker 4: to have five, we've only got four. We do not

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Speaker 4: know when they're going to get back to one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: We can't say Australia knows, but they're going to be

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Speaker 4: there in three months time. But for some reason we're lagging.

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Speaker 4: It appears our attractiveness as a tourism destination has deteriorated,

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Speaker 4: and it's perplexing even the experts can't quite put their

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Speaker 4: finger on why people don't want to come to New

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Speaker 4: Zealand quite in the same numbers. And part of the

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Speaker 4: problem is China is not flying like it used to.

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Speaker 4: And the other problem will likely be that this is

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Speaker 4: not in the future at least that this is not

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Speaker 4: the only cost that the government has lumped on tourists.

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Speaker 4: I mean it just last month it increased the cost

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Speaker 4: of tourists getting a visa to come here. So now

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Speaker 4: you're talking about people in places like China, if they

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Speaker 4: were to bring a family of five costing two two

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Speaker 4: shelled out twy two hundred dollars. I don't think making

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Speaker 4: New Zealand more expensive right now while we're struggling to

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Speaker 4: recover is a smart idea, especially because we really need

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Speaker 4: to recover. We are in our third recession in two years.

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Speaker 4: We need the money. Frankly, this feels like a short

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Speaker 4: sighted money grabbed by the government. They're trying to balance

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Speaker 4: the government's box and it's shortsighted because it's going to yes, today,

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Speaker 4: make the government's books look better, but it's not going

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Speaker 4: to bring in the tourists tomorrow and that hurts us

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Speaker 4: all in the end. So yes on principle, but timing

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Speaker 4: is way off. Heather do for is the text number,

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Speaker 4: standard text fees apply and as I say, Matt Doocy

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Speaker 4: is with us on that after five o'clock now an

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Speaker 4: increasing number of couples are ending their marriages later in life.

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Speaker 4: So it turns out, according to stats New Zealand data,

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Speaker 4: almost forty percent of divorces are involving people who are

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Speaker 4: fifty years plus. Divorce lawyer at Shortland Chambers, Jeremy Sutton.

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Speaker 6: Is with us now, he Jeremy, how are you doing?

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Speaker 6: I may say it best in chambers?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Sorry, which which chambers are best?

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Speaker 6: In chambers? Chamber, it's in the same boarding.

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Speaker 4: We'll say it as many times as we can, Jeremy,

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Speaker 4: to undo the damage we've just done. So Bastian Chambers,

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Speaker 4: thank you for that listening. You're seeing this as well

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Speaker 4: as you seeing older people getting divorces.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we are, because once the last child has

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Speaker 6: left home, that's often a catalyst hither to see if

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Speaker 6: I've got the same interest or not. And one party

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Speaker 6: is often wanting to continue working in some way so

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Speaker 6: as a consultant, while the other party is happy to

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Speaker 6: do other things, maybe travel, will maybe spend time with family.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Is it also sometimes that the last kid leaves and

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Speaker 4: then you're stuck looking at that person. You're like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I stopped liking you ages ago.

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Speaker 6: Well, it certainly means you've got to spend more time together,

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Speaker 6: you know. It just it's tough, but it's a reality.

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Speaker 6: I mean for a lot of people, perhaps they saying,

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Speaker 6: well the house is too big now either, you know,

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Speaker 6: we've got to downside to an apartment and often with

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Speaker 6: house prices over the years being good and hev saves

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Speaker 6: as well. People have have often got enough money to

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Speaker 6: have one house each. They can go alone, they can

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Speaker 6: be independent. And the other thing is technology makes it

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Speaker 6: easy for people, doesn't It makes it easy to book travel,

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Speaker 6: makes it easy to meet someone else. So that's a

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Speaker 6: factor as well. I think it's just more life is

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Speaker 6: more flexible, but probably more difficult.

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Speaker 4: Jeremy. I saw somebody saying today that women are often

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Speaker 4: the initiators of this divorce when you're in the fifty

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Speaker 6: Well, they probably are, but it's not necessarily because of

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Speaker 6: an affair. It's often that they just, you know, they've

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Speaker 6: got the confidence to be able to do something you

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Speaker 6: know now and perhaps go overseas that they couldn't do before.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be too unkind to men, but

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Speaker 4: how much of it is also because women carry the

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Speaker 4: mental load and the emotional load in a relationship and

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Speaker 4: they just get a little bit naffed off. And by

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Speaker 4: the time you're in your fifties, like you actually have

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Speaker 4: had the chance to grow up and you know, clean

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Speaker 4: Is it possibly that.

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Speaker 6: There could be an aspect of that perhaps have had

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Speaker 6: that people might change and they haven't changed, and they

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Speaker 6: you know, they've got that. They've got that ability perhaps

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Speaker 6: some of them have just had enough of what's happened

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Speaker 6: during all those times. I mean the average marriage is

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Speaker 6: you know that means that people were in their sort

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Speaker 6: and they, you know, they have just on different paths.

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Speaker 6: I mean, for example, you can go on your Airbnb now,

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Speaker 6: can't you are here that you know, you can go

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Speaker 6: You couldn't do that before. So there are just these

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Speaker 6: tools that you have to enable you to travel. And

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Speaker 6: we live longer than we lived before. I mean, people

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Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting stuff, Jeremy, thank you very much. Lucrative business

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Speaker 4: for you. I'd imagine Jeremy Sutton of Bastian Chambers, divorce

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Speaker 4: lawyer there. I can't tell you the number of there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of stories in the UK papers at the moment.

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Speaker 4: They've obviously picked up on it. And I can't tell you

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Speaker 4: the number of stories I'm reading in the UK papers

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Speaker 4: about women who like, yeah, I got a divorce, that

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Speaker 4: was Arthur, and the number of them who say things

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Speaker 4: dishwasher and I thought I don't need to spend my

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Speaker 4: life having a fight about the dishwasher. Like, listen, guys,

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Speaker 4: listen to me. You want to keep that marriage, do

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Speaker 4: your fair share, and when you think you're doing your

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Speaker 4: fair share, do more because you're still not. You think

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Speaker 4: It grinds a woman down after a while, like grinds

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Speaker 4: a woman down. Now, it looks like both Israel and

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Speaker 4: as any surprise, certainly from Israel, but they're both crossed

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Speaker 4: with the UK. For suspending those arms export licenses to Israel.

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Speaker 4: Israelis are calling it a reward for Hamas As In basically,

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Speaker 4: the UK is rewarding Hamas for executing those six hostages

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Speaker 4: like a treat from Oh yeah, the UK comes to

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Speaker 4: help them out. It does seem a little bit messed up.

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Speaker 4: Apparently the US is also not happy with the UK

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Speaker 4: the US is saying absolutely fine. But I think don't

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Speaker 4: believe that. Sixteen past four.

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Speaker 4: I've got one word, menopause.

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Speaker 2: Mauz.

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Speaker 4: You're probably right. It does happen around about hither women

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Speaker 4: over fifty livre as a result of menopause. I believe Leon,

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Speaker 4: You're probably right. I'm not gonna lie with me right now.

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Speaker 4: At nineteen past fours. Darcy Watergrave, sports talk host. Hey, dars, men,

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Speaker 4: don't don't what.

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Speaker 8: Do you mean, don't don don't get involved in it.

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Speaker 8: Don't woman over the age of fifty leave because of men.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, menopause not. I'm just trying to save you from

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Speaker 4: getting involved in this conversation thing. Hey, I see the

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Speaker 4: South African rugby bosses apologized for what happened.

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Speaker 8: Well, why.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. Own it, bro own it. It was awesome.

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Speaker 8: You know there was a mistake of this and that

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Speaker 8: there was a technical issue and oh there was a

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Speaker 8: wardrobe malfunction and I who cares?

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Speaker 4: I mean, somebody sucked at their job, right because he

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Speaker 4: said that the minute of the crowd cheered presumably for

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Speaker 4: the plane, then somebody just set off the pirate technics.

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Speaker 4: Like if you're waiting for a crowd cheer as your

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Speaker 4: look at the they're still doing the hawker, look at.

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Speaker 8: That, look at what's going on if you're going to it.

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Speaker 8: But did that really I you know, teacup storms there

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Speaker 8: we go. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 8: It's all black hawker and they do it for themselves,

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Speaker 8: they don't do it for anybody else. And if the

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Speaker 8: crowd were there and wanted to see it, and maybe

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Speaker 8: a bit of myth. But the energy around the stadium,

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Speaker 8: explosions and planes and screaming rampant South African fans, what

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Speaker 8: a cacophony, crazy being there. I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's hither duper Cy

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Speaker 5: Sa'd be here.

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Speaker 4: The water is the female equivalent of being a misogynist,

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Speaker 10: From me out of the double shot of Wiston.

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Speaker 4: Everybody had bargetti. Barry Sope is going to be at

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Speaker 5: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: George Clooney has praised Joe Biden for following his advice

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Speaker 11: The person who should be applied is the president who

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Speaker 4: Sam Emriosi correspondents with US Sam. Hello, so the current

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Speaker 14: You know, how are we.

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Speaker 14: Mainstay broadcasting like TV. Advertising. Part of the issue for those.

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Speaker 13: Sorts of things are obviously previously signed contracts, you know,

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Speaker 13: that still have one, two three years left in them

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Speaker 13: that need to be paid out, so that the government's

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Speaker 13: using that as a reason as to why we weren't

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Speaker 13: necessarily see them disappear on the lights of TV and radio.

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Speaker 13: But I mean it's sort of similar to the smoking bands,

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Speaker 13: and you know, one day maybe in the alcohol bands

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Speaker 13: that we might see follow suit where you know, it's

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Speaker 13: just strange that these type this type of advertising is

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Speaker 13: still so free.

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Speaker 14: And easy to access for all ages, whether you're online

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Speaker 14: or offline.

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Speaker 13: I think in this day and age, it's strange that

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Speaker 13: it's still so free and easier for coming from a

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Speaker 13: country like Australia that has spent so much money into things.

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Speaker 13: You know, one of the first countries in the world

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Speaker 13: to bring in that playing packaging cigarettes and you know

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Speaker 13: those I think most people sort of thought this is

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Speaker 13: just a waste of money and time.

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Speaker 14: But next thing, you know, we have a generation of.

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Speaker 13: Kids who weren't smoking and actually hadn't been addicted to nicotine.

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Speaker 14: Now they've got the weight problem to deal with on

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Speaker 14: that side of things.

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Speaker 13: So you know, we are our worst enemy in these

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Speaker 13: sort of situations because we need the money. What's needed

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Speaker 13: money The broadcast people need the money from these advertising.

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Speaker 14: But there's got to be a better way to do it.

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Speaker 4: How long were these people up the mountain?

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Speaker 14: Too long?

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Speaker 13: And as the Premier of Tasmania said, why do we

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Speaker 13: have to save people from stupidity? Which I thought was

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Speaker 13: an interesting way for a premier to come out and

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Speaker 13: say it. But they were up there overnight. They two

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Speaker 13: separate groups. Wasn't just one group, please say? The first

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Speaker 13: group of thirteen called about half us four yesterday afternoon

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Speaker 13: and council.

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Speaker 14: Staff actually helping them rescue.

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Speaker 13: As they were coming back down, they noticed another group

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Speaker 13: of people around eleven hundred feet were still on the mountain.

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Speaker 13: Apparently heather it was minus three, but it felt like

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Speaker 13: minus twenty two at that time. And it was a

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Speaker 13: weird rescue where it was local government sees and local

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Speaker 13: communities who had to come and save these people. And

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Speaker 13: the premier has come out again and said we cannot

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Speaker 13: afford to have any resources to verted simply because of people.

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Speaker 4: Stupid Sam, it's good to talk to you, mate, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much. Look after yourself that Sam Emory Australia corresponds. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so here we go. This is how long the kiddy

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Speaker 4: should be on the devices?

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 4: The Swedish health authorities have for the first time ever

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Speaker 4: put out of guidance for how long the kids should

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Speaker 4: be spending on these devices. They reckon if your child

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Speaker 4: is under two, no screens whatsoever. They should not be

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Speaker 4: exposed to screens at all. If the child is between

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Speaker 4: two and five years old, so in that two to

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Speaker 4: going school category, they should be limited to a maximum

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Speaker 4: of one hour, which frankly I think is generous. So

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Speaker 4: I would be going I don't know why. Maybe my

496
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Speaker 4: friend said this to me one time and now I

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Speaker 4: believe it. But I would have thought forty forty five minutes.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of what you want to be aiming at.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, apparently you've got an hour. If they are

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Speaker 4: between six years old and twelve years old, the limit

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Speaker 4: is two hours. Thirteen years old to the end of

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Speaker 4: school the limit is three hours. Now that is massively

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Speaker 4: down on what kids in Sweden are doing them. Some

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Speaker 4: teenagers are apparently seven spending up to seven hours day

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Speaker 4: on the screen, which completely bonkers. Some nine to twelve

506
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Speaker 4: year olds are spending four hours a day on the screen.

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Speaker 4: And they also say, and this is obviously every parent

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Speaker 4: knows this. Once they're on the screen, they have to

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Speaker 4: talk to you, and you have to talk to them

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Speaker 4: about what it is that they're looking at. Because looking

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Speaker 4: at the screen is one problem. Looking at porn on

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Speaker 4: the screen is a whole level of something else that

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Speaker 4: you're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: Barry Soapers next, politics with centrics credit, check your customers

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Speaker 1: and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Barrising your political correspondence with us, Barry, Hello, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Hiking the tourism levy is clearly just a money grab

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Speaker 4: to make the books balance a little bit better.

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Speaker 9: Right, Well, it's incredible, isn't it. Well it shouldn't be,

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Speaker 9: because the levey goes towards they tell us, maintaining public

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Speaker 9: services are utilized by tourists, and you know conservation.

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Speaker 4: The tracks and LOEU of given doc more money.

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Speaker 9: Yes, yes, so essentially those at the pit face of

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Speaker 9: tourism in this country. The chief executive of the tourism

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Speaker 9: industry said that modeling had found the increase could result

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Speaker 9: in forty eight thousand fewer tourists coming to this country.

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Speaker 9: The board, the Airline Board of Representatives, they say that

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Speaker 9: tourism basically is soft in this country and we're lagging

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Speaker 9: behind the Asia Pacific region. So it's all about I

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Speaker 9: understand like you here, they said, you're editorial. I understand

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Speaker 9: the levee going up because I think tourists should be

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Speaker 9: paying a bit more, although I did look at some

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Speaker 9: countries overseas. If you take the UK, for example, the

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Speaker 9: levee to enter the UK is ten pound and that

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Speaker 9: lasts for two years. If you come back you don't

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Speaker 9: have to pay it again.

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Speaker 4: And ours is one hundred.

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Speaker 9: And don't forget that we're a departure tax as well

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Speaker 9: from this country, so you pay for the privilege of

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Speaker 9: leaving the country. That's been on the box for a

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Speaker 9: long time. That's only twenty five bucks. But nevertheless, it

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Speaker 9: is another cost that goes on to tourists, usually though

543
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Speaker 9: through the is so you don't notice that one as much,

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Speaker 9: but it's still there.

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Speaker 4: How much of a bollocking did Judy give Shane?

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Speaker 9: You imagine sitting across the table from Shane Jones and saying, look, Shane,

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Speaker 9: you shouldn't have said that. It's not the sort of

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Speaker 9: thing that we.

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Speaker 4: Would If I imagine this between Judith Collins and Shane Jones,

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Speaker 4: which frankly I do enjoy imagining, I feel like I

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Speaker 4: feel like she is one of the few people that

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Speaker 4: he would sit down and take it from.

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Speaker 9: I don't know though. I mean, Judith Collins has got

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Speaker 9: a very good sense of humor as well, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, be a little scary.

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Speaker 9: She can't be scary. But when you look at Justice

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Speaker 9: Sheryl glynnon the High Court Judge Sits and Wellington, she

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Speaker 9: was a member of a communist organization in her youth,

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Speaker 9: in the young days, and that's probably common to many

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Speaker 9: of us that you know, we had different leanings to

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Speaker 9: what we may have to do something you need to

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Speaker 9: tell us, well, I was probably much more left wing

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Speaker 9: than I am today.

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Speaker 10: But there you go.

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Speaker 9: But Shane Jones, it's his sixty fifth birthday today, so

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Speaker 9: you can wish him happy birthday. He said when he

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Speaker 9: was talking about the apology, he said, I can thank

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Speaker 9: Winston Peters for the gold card. So there was a

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Speaker 9: bit of politics in there, and he said he was

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Speaker 9: a bit more circumspect when it came to the judge.

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Speaker 9: He said he was born under the moon, so maybe

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Speaker 9: he was howling at it, which was one way of

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Speaker 9: sort of talking around it. But it was a contrite

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Speaker 9: Jones who says he's now been schooled by Judith Collins

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Speaker 9: and he accepts it.

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Speaker 2: I can't walk it back. I said it.

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Speaker 16: I think what the Attorney General reminded me, because I'm

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Speaker 16: a fairly voluble character. Is there everything that's recorded said

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Speaker 16: by a minister in formal meetings as a reflection on

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Speaker 16: cabinet and she wants to see an improvement.

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Speaker 9: Well, we'll see. We'll see Jonesy being much more low

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Speaker 9: key in the house not. And then his boss, Winston Peters,

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Speaker 9: though he was a little less contritor, might say, even

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Speaker 9: though he agreed Colins had to have a word with

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Speaker 9: his voluble minister, Judith is right.

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Speaker 17: But then Shane, he was talking about someone's past when

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Speaker 17: they were young, when they belonged to a communist organization.

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Speaker 17: You know, the question is is that a private to

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Speaker 17: a line against someone who at a certain age is

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Speaker 17: more mature, and whether that is an answerable question or not,

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Speaker 17: it should not have been said in trade had decide

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Speaker 17: with Judith in that matter. It's got said to say,

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Speaker 17: and I know how frustrating it is, but frankly, the

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Speaker 17: separation between the courts and politext is a critical part

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Speaker 17: to our democracy.

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Speaker 9: It is the key to ware democracy. Separation between the

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Speaker 9: judiciary and it's true and the Parliament.

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Speaker 4: Now the Greens are pretty upset with Simon about what

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Speaker 4: he said about the speed bumps right because he said

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Speaker 4: that he was defunding speed bumps hallelujah to the tune

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Speaker 4: of twelve million bucks, based on the fact that he

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Speaker 4: got of twenty four and they cost five hundred sow

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Speaker 4: each exactly, and that's a little that's a little sneaky for.

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Speaker 9: A it it's stretching.

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Speaker 4: There are two that cost that much, but the rest

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Speaker 4: of them are considerably cheaper.

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Speaker 9: There was a project in Auckland's grain that cost four

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Speaker 9: hundred and ninety thousand dollars for essentially a speed bump,

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Speaker 9: but it was traffic management.

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Speaker 5: That it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 9: That's not it costs well, yes it is, but it's

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Speaker 9: not the building of the actual bump itself. It was

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Speaker 9: co funded though by Auckland Transport, which is the rate

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Speaker 9: power of Auckland and the Transport Agency. The other bumps

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Speaker 9: that have been put in place, they are estimated to

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Speaker 9: cost around nineteen to thirty one thousand dollars each. Now

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Speaker 9: the Transport Agency they provided a list of thirty two

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Speaker 9: speed bumps that had been canceled under this government, but

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Speaker 9: they didn't say what the cost was. Unfortunately, spokesman Brown

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Speaker 9: they couldn't give any evidence of the savings, but they

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Speaker 9: stood by the minister's statement. Honestly, I think stretching a

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Speaker 9: point that same in can do.

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Speaker 4: No wrong because he is golden balls golden.

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Speaker 9: I think he was described this morning by one of

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Speaker 9: Mike Hostcars.

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Speaker 4: That would be because because I mentioned it on their

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Speaker 4: last night, because a caucus, as somebody had told me,

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Speaker 4: that's isn't it caucus? How good is that?

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Speaker 15: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Barry. I appreciated this barrier so persing. Your

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Speaker 4: little correspondent had away from five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: I think New Zealanders are sick and tired of the

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Speaker 18: amount of money going into cycle ways.

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Speaker 2: Have you got evidence of that or not?

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Speaker 19: A wee campaigned on the building and maintaining uploading networks.

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Speaker 4: You've got you guys wanted to look for some coal

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Speaker 4: or with some oil and burnitt.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's an insurmountable gap, isn't it.

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Speaker 20: Well, Look, I would just invite those parties on the

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Speaker 20: other side to come join me in.

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Speaker 4: The real world.

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Speaker 10: Hearing the real well.

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Speaker 21: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast of

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Speaker 21: the Jaguar f paces used talk z.

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Speaker 4: B Hither I went to a council meeting for installing

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Speaker 4: a pedestrian crossing. The local board had six hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars to spend on raised crossings and they were trying

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Speaker 4: to decide which two crossings to install. Two These were

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Speaker 4: just on regular north shore roads and they could only

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Speaker 4: afford two crossings with six hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, there

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Speaker 4: you go, there's your problem. Oh Lord, here we go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, this tests my patients. Never mind a

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Speaker 4: waterfront stadium, now we're talking about a waterfront museum. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 4: who thought this is an idea that's come from Sir

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Speaker 4: Bob Harvey and Sir Ian Taylor. They've decided that we

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Speaker 4: basically need to go for the equivalent the Auckland equivalent

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Speaker 4: of the Sydney Opera House. Who on what planet thought?

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Speaker 4: M Yeah, we just can't get a waterfront stadium across

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Speaker 4: the line. But I know what people are gonna love more,

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Speaker 4: a waterfront museum.

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Speaker 2: Who thought that?

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Speaker 21: Have you?

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Speaker 4: Do you realize it's New Zealand, like the cure is

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Speaker 4: like way down there. We're rugby over culture every single day.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like and and the right payer has

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Speaker 4: to pay for it. Yeah, and the right pay has

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Speaker 4: to pay for It's another stupid idea. But anyway, we're

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Speaker 4: going to talk to Ian Taylor about it. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to hide for feelings on it. I'm just going

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Speaker 4: to be completely honest with him. This is just a

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Speaker 4: dumb idea wasting everybody's time. But anyway, we'll give him

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Speaker 4: an opportunity. We'll give him an opportunity to defend it

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Speaker 4: before we totally just come rain down on it, you know,

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Speaker 4: and really just spoil the party for him, not that

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Speaker 4: he cares what I think. If he's going to come

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Speaker 4: up with dumb ideas like this, I've got some fantastic

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Speaker 4: news for you, because jeez, we needs how good is

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Speaker 4: the weather? By the way, just and I don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's like this in the rest of the country,

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Speaker 4: but Sunday was an absolute ripper in Auckland. I was like,

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Speaker 4: ah lord, it gave me life for at least a week,

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Speaker 4: and then today and then yesterday was and then today

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Speaker 4: it just like ripped one out again and it's been

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Speaker 4: flipping awesome and we're like, I am in a tank top,

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Speaker 4: that's right. I was like, suns out, guns out. Unfortunately

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Speaker 4: didn't bring the guns to the party. It's just sort

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Speaker 4: of flabby arms, but anyway in mine. So that's the

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Speaker 4: first piece of good news is springers here people. Second

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Speaker 4: piece of good news SPQR has got new owners. So

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Speaker 4: if you are in Auckland and you are a lovey

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Speaker 4: and you just miss having your emos on on Ponsby

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Speaker 4: Road in the sun, you're gonna have the chance. The

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Speaker 4: guys who run hop As a Garden Bar on Ponziby

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Speaker 4: Road and also Almo's on Ponsiby Road, they are taking

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Speaker 4: it over. How good is that?

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis

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Speaker 1: together due to see Alan Drive with One New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected a news talk.

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Speaker 4: As they'd be afternoon. International tourists will have to pay

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Speaker 4: one hundred bucks to enter the country from next month.

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Speaker 4: The government's announced today. It is more than tripling the

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Speaker 4: international visitor levy, which was previously thirty five dollars. The

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Speaker 4: tourism industry is really disappointed by the move. And Matt

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Speaker 4: Doosey is the Minister for Tourism and Hospitality, Hammatt Hi

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Speaker 4: Heather mad are you sure this is a good idea?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, we want to grow value of international tourism. We

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Speaker 22: want to support conservation. We've heard loud and clear from

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Speaker 22: the public consultation ninety three percent of over eleven hundred

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Speaker 22: submitters wanted the international visitor levy to increase, and two

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Speaker 22: thirds of them wanted it to increase to one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 22: When you think about that one hundred dollars, that is

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Speaker 22: only around two percent of what an international tourists will

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Speaker 22: spend on their trip. It's comparative to Australia and the

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Speaker 22: United Kingdom. And we want to support tourism and conservation

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Speaker 22: through this levee.

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Speaker 4: And so what about when you because you guys have

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Speaker 4: just put up the visit of vis visit of visa

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Speaker 4: cost as well. When you chuck that together, where do

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Speaker 4: we sit in terms of where other countries will compare

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Speaker 4: ourselves to.

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Speaker 22: Well, when you look at the international visitor levy, around

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Speaker 22: sixty percent of international tourists pay that Australia and Pacific

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Speaker 22: Island visitors.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not what I'm asking you. So what

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Speaker 4: I'm saying is just last month you put up the

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Speaker 4: visit the visa costs as well, right, So check the

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Speaker 4: two of them together, the visit of visa costs plus

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Speaker 4: the IVL and how competitive are we now internationally?

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Speaker 22: Well, when you look at the increase of Erica Stanford,

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Speaker 22: the Immigration Minister's visitor visas, that was for a smaller

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Speaker 22: group of countries because most countries visiting New Zealand are

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Speaker 22: visa waiver. What we want to do is shift some

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Speaker 22: of the costs from the taxpayer to the tourists. When

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Speaker 22: you look at the advice that I've received, there is

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Speaker 22: no evidence that the increase will significantly impact on tourism numbers.

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Speaker 22: In fact, I'm around the country most weeks either and

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Speaker 22: most tourists operators are telling me that they're getting a

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Speaker 22: higher yield from their product. And they're actually delivering a

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Speaker 22: higher quality experience. So we want to grow tourism. The

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Speaker 22: government's got an ambitious target to double exports.

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Speaker 2: Tourism is a big.

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Speaker 22: Part of that, and I want to grow the value

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Speaker 22: of international tourism with social license.

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Speaker 4: So it looks to me like if you're paying the

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Speaker 4: IVL plus the visit of visa, right, and you got

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Speaker 4: a family of five, you're paying twenty two hundred bucks

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Speaker 4: before you even land in the country. Would Canada charge that,

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Speaker 4: would Australia charge it?

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Speaker 2: Or is it just us?

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Speaker 22: Well, there is a range of prices that people pay

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Speaker 22: when they travel to a range of countries. Ultimately people

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Speaker 22: will make that choice. We are a premium destination.

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Speaker 4: Increasingly, but at least so, And this is why what

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get to, Matt, is that we are

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Speaker 4: losing our attractiveness. According to Forsyth, bar as a destination. Right,

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Speaker 4: So if increasingly people do not really want to come here,

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Speaker 4: is it the right thing to do to make it

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Speaker 4: more expensive?

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Speaker 22: Well, I would disagree with that assumption and the framing.

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Speaker 22: No evidence that the officials provided show there would be

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Speaker 22: a significant impact on tourism numbers. And like I say,

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Speaker 22: When I talk to the tourism operators, they are telling

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Speaker 22: me that they are getting a high yielding product. We

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Speaker 22: want to grow international tourism. I've set tourism an ambitious target.

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Speaker 22: I've growing by five billion dollars over the next format.

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Speaker 4: Tell me what is our internet, What is our recovery

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Speaker 4: looking like? Post COVID? Where are we sitting in terms

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Speaker 4: of tourism in terms of where we were pre COVID?

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Speaker 22: When you look at tourism numbers, we're at around eighty two.

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Speaker 4: Percent, okay, And where's Australia.

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Speaker 22: Are there about eighty four or eighty five percent?

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Speaker 4: They will be fully recovered by the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: When are we fully recovered?

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Speaker 22: But what we're seeing heather when you go around the country.

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Speaker 22: If you look at the hawks, baos and recently when

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Speaker 22: you look at the value of international tourism, they're forty

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Speaker 22: percent above twenty nineteen levels. West coast of the South

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Speaker 22: Island they're about fifteen.

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Speaker 4: Are you saying the people coming over now we have

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Speaker 4: fewer of them, but they're spending more.

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Speaker 22: That's right. That's why tourism operators are saying they're having

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Speaker 22: a higher yield from their product and delivering a higher

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Speaker 22: quality product as well. We are seeing a lot of

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Speaker 22: growth coming out of the Chinese market. I think the

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Speaker 22: figures I saw in the last twelve months because they

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Speaker 22: were slow to return, increased by three hundred and forty percent.

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Speaker 22: And what we're also seeing is less of the low

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Speaker 22: value bus travelers, more of the higher value independent Chinese market,

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Speaker 22: which our tourism operators are responding to. And that's why

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Speaker 22: I say that ultimately this levy will be reinvested into

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Speaker 22: both tourism pressures but also the conservation estates which a

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Speaker 22: large part of people travel to New Zealand four, so

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Speaker 22: we'll be delivering a better product.

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Speaker 4: Matt, thank you for you to I'm really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: That's Matt Doocy, Minister for Tourism and Hospitality. Heather duper

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Speaker 4: see Allen liquidations are up nineteen percent year on year

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Speaker 4: according to new data from Centric SO, liquidations are rising

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Speaker 4: across most of the regions. In Auckland, spiite sharply in

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Speaker 4: the second quarter of this year. Auckland Business Chamber CEO

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Speaker 4: Simon Bridges is with us. Now, hey, Simon, Hey get

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Speaker 4: a Heather. Does that mean Auckland has been the hardest hit.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think it probably does.

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Speaker 23: And I think you know what's very interesting to me

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Speaker 23: and talking of some liquid etters about this day is

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Speaker 23: just a massive sea sawing actually from my ID so

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Speaker 23: from hugely lenient letting everything go in COVID probably the

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Speaker 23: staunchest enforcement around gstnpay areas that we've seen the very

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Speaker 23: long time. It's but like the that the rpn z's

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Speaker 23: ocr story if you like, very like very dubbish, then.

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Speaker 2: Hugely hawkish and start doing this at the start of

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 23: Is the feedback and the clear majority of the liquidations

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Speaker 23: are by our ird. If you want to contrast it

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Speaker 23: with receiverships where you're talking about you know, fundamentally banks

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Speaker 23: and finance companies, it's not it's a non statutory process. Really,

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Speaker 23: they've been much more pragmatic. And consequently the numbers that

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Speaker 23: we're seeing and know where near as many, and I

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Speaker 23: suppose the banks are saying, well, actually, if we can,

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Speaker 23: if we can hold off doing this and the business survives,

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Speaker 23: I'd rather have seventy percent of something than destroy the

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Speaker 23: value of the company. So I think there is that

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Speaker 23: there's a bit of a question here. Do we need

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Speaker 23: to see us somewhat more pragmatic ird rather than this

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Speaker 23: massive sea sawing.

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Speaker 4: What do you put that down to, is this Nikola

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Speaker 4: Willis telling them to chase the tax dollars.

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Speaker 23: Well, funnily enough, I was with her today and we're

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Speaker 23: talking to business and taking the pulse. I don't think

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Speaker 23: so this came up at a level. I think it's

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Speaker 23: probably a movement from COVID settings where they kind of

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Speaker 23: like the RBNZ ed say, realized they overdid it one

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Speaker 23: way and they're coming back and hard the other way.

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Speaker 23: But I think my message would be, you know what,

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Speaker 23: actually take a bit of pragmatism here a business that

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Speaker 23: over time has earned a few more dollars then it's

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Speaker 23: spent as a business worth having in New Zealand and

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Speaker 23: it's been tough, but they can come back and they

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Speaker 23: can be productive businesses in Auckland and around New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Really interesting take on that, Simon. Thank you for that

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Speaker 4: insight that. Simon Bridge's CEO of Auckland Business Chamber. We'll

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Speaker 4: have a chat to Nicola Willis. She's on the show

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Speaker 4: obviously six o'clock on Monday regularly, so we'll talk to

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Speaker 4: her about that next week.

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Speaker 5: Heather duper sy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So we've all noticed it, right. The food bills have

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Speaker 4: gone up in the last few years with inflation and

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Speaker 4: Stuff Infometrics has done the numbers on exactly what has

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Speaker 4: gone up the most, and they've calculated it from July

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. So let's say, really the last three years,

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Speaker 4: olive oil man alive olive oil pure not extra virginal

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Speaker 4: light has gone up in three years eighty four percent.

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Speaker 4: Eggs a dozen eggs have gone up eighty percent. Kumita

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Speaker 4: the one kg. Who buys one kg of kummeta, who's

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Speaker 4: got that much money? That's gone up seventy two percent.

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Speaker 4: Apricots dried one hundred gram fifty eight percent fruit flavored drink,

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Speaker 4: powdered multi pack of three to five that's gone up

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Speaker 4: fifty seven percent. You can get rid of that. You

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Speaker 4: don't need that, you don't need that. You don't need that.

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Speaker 4: That plus the TV and your child has gone mad.

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Speaker 4: What's gone down? Tomatoes a kg gone down by sixteen percent.

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Speaker 4: Salary has gone down by twenty percent, which is unfortunate,

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Speaker 4: isn't it, because it's gross. Golivlaur has gone down by

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Speaker 4: twenty nine percent. Let us has gone down by thirty

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Speaker 4: nine percent, and broccoli, which is a banger of a vegetable,

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Speaker 4: has gone down by forty eight percent. So go and

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Speaker 4: stock up on your broccoli sixteen past five. If your

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Speaker 4: business is expanding and you've got new locations to open

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Speaker 4: in different parts of the country, obviously what you want

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Speaker 4: to do is make sure you're branding and your signage

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Speaker 4: stay consistent across every single location. Where you don't want

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Speaker 4: is a couple of your stores rocking that old logo

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Speaker 4: from a decade ago, or maybe using a slightly different

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Speaker 4: shade of orange or green, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You want that clean, professional look wherever your customers go.

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Speaker 4: Speedy Signs has got the solution. Speedy Signs has been

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Speaker 4: in the signage in the image business for over twenty

880
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Speaker 4: five years and they have close to thirty locations nationwide.

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Speaker 4: What that means is one quick call and you're going

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Speaker 4: to have a single point of contact who will handle

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Speaker 4: everything from designing your signage to getting it all installed.

884
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Speaker 4: They'll keep your branding on point, they'll make sure that

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Speaker 4: customers can find you wherever you are. And of course

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Speaker 4: Speedy Signs is site Safe accredited to help you meet

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Speaker 4: your safety obligations. So if you need a national signage,

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Speaker 4: if you need them to sort that out for you,

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Speaker 4: then give them a call. Give Speedy Signs the call

890
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Speaker 4: on this number, oh eight hundred Speedy or visit Speedy Signs,

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Speaker 4: Dot co, dot and Zai. They've got your back when

892
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Speaker 4: it comes to keeping your brand identity strong across the country.

893
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Speaker 4: Here the d for c LA nineteen past five move

894
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: over Waterfront Stadium. Apparently, what if Auckland had its very

895
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Speaker 4: own waterfront museum. Sir Ian Taylor of Animation Research and

896
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Speaker 4: former White Taketi mayor Sir Bob Harvey are calling for

897
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Speaker 4: a Walker shaped museum and exhibition center to be built

898
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Speaker 4: on Winyard Point. They reckon they could do the equivalent,

899
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Speaker 4: the Auckland equivalent of the Sydney Opera House. Sir Ian

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Speaker 4: Taylor's with us now, Hi, Enn, Hi, how are you?

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00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good?

902
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 4: Thank you? Who's paying?

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Speaker 15: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: See everybody starts with their question, yeah, so I start

905
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Speaker 21: with I'll just start with another one. So this first

906
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Speaker 21: of all, isn't my idea. It's an idea that has

907
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 21: has that that really interested me coming from Dunedin. As

908
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 21: I looked at it and the and the story it

909
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Speaker 21: was telling. So in all the projects we do, and

910
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 21: I guess it'll be fair to say I have a

911
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 21: we do have a track record here of.

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Speaker 15: Getting things done. I always start with what.

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Speaker 21: If, and it's kind of like, what if that was

914
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Speaker 21: already there on that point it was a world class

915
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 21: facility telling this story. Would it make money? We start with,

916
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Speaker 21: I think what the people behind this? The reason I've

917
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Speaker 21: stepped up is because I just wanted at least to

918
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Speaker 21: come into the conversation. Because conversations happened, and you know somebody,

919
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 21: then I know there's someone else. Put a stadium there,

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Speaker 21: someone wants to make it a park, someone wants to

921
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 21: do something else. I really really saw a strength in

922
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 21: this that I just felt needed to be brought to

923
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Speaker 21: the surface and discussed. And one of the important discussions

924
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Speaker 21: around that will be how does it get paid for?

925
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Speaker 21: I think if we saw that, people actually thought, actually,

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Speaker 21: that's a really good idea. The next phase is the

927
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Speaker 21: full budgeting of it, and then you would never do

928
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Speaker 21: it unless it made commercial sense. I'll give you two examples.

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Speaker 21: One while watch Kai Kuda Wally, Tom Wally Wally came

930
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Speaker 21: to us, The CEO came to us that and he

931
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Speaker 21: had this idea and he didn't have it. He said,

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Speaker 21: don't give me a budget. I'm going to assume you

933
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Speaker 21: deliver everything you said you could deliver. I'm going to

934
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Speaker 21: price our tickets on the basis of that. And on

935
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Speaker 21: the basis of that. He came back and said, here's

936
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Speaker 21: your budget, and it was twice as much, twice more

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Speaker 21: than we need it. And I think that's the exercise.

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Speaker 21: If this doesn't make financial sense and people can't make

939
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Speaker 21: money out of it, you.

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Speaker 15: Don't do it.

941
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Speaker 21: Who pays well, it could be a range of anybody.

942
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Speaker 21: It could be it could be an EWI, it could

943
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Speaker 21: be a fully commercial operation. It could be you know,

944
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Speaker 21: and that there are examples all over the place where

945
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Speaker 21: that works, so commercially it has to work.

946
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Speaker 15: We shouldn't be asking one thing we want.

947
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Speaker 21: Well, one thing the group is talking about is it's

948
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Speaker 21: important not to rely on the government for money.

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Speaker 4: That's a great starting point there, Ian, thank you very much.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's where everybody's going to start.

951
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Speaker 4: So Ian Taylor, Animation re Search Managing Director, five twenty two.

952
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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need

953
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Speaker 1: and a duple C Allen Drive with one New Zealand.

954
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Speaker 5: Let's get connected a news talk as.

955
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Speaker 4: They'd be Heather, what if sir Ian rejoined the real world?

956
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Speaker 4: Hither We already have a waterfront museum. It's called the

957
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Speaker 4: Maritime Museum. Let's make that profitable first. That's from Deborah,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Five twenty five. Can't I couldn't

959
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Speaker 4: even better ask any more questions? I don't know if

960
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 4: you pick that up. I was like, got to stop

961
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 4: this nonsense. How long did we spend discussing a waterfront stadium?

962
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: It just sucked the life out of us. That life

963
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: is still not there to be able to sustain this

964
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 4: conversation as well. Five twenty five On to happier things.

965
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Speaker 4: I reckon that My favorite part of Samian Brown's three

966
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: year transport plan that was announced yesterday was the fact

967
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Speaker 4: that he has defunded those speed bumps. How good is that?

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Speaker 4: What he said is no more taxpayer money, not a cent,

969
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: no more going to speed bumps. Every bump has got

970
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Speaker 4: to be completely funded by the local council. If they

971
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Speaker 4: want them, they've got to pay for them, which is

972
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Speaker 4: going to put pressure on the local councils. By the way,

973
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Speaker 4: because these things don't come cheap. Now. Speed bumps feel

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Speaker 4: to me like the new cycle ways in terms of

975
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: this culture war, do you know what I mean? What's

976
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: happened here is much the same problem as with the

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Speaker 4: cycle ways, not in and of themselves a bad idea

978
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Speaker 4: at all. I mean, if you've got to slow down

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Speaker 4: the cars around a school, which is fair enough, then

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Speaker 4: a speed bump's a great idea. If you've got to

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Speaker 4: protect a cyclist from fast moving traffic right next to them,

982
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 4: then a cycle way is a great idea. But what's

983
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 4: gone wrong is that councils appear to be obsessed with

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Speaker 4: doing the most expensive version of both of these things,

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Speaker 4: and somehow, magically, against everyone's better judgment, councils even managed

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Speaker 4: to find a way to make a bump in the

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00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: road enormously expensive. I mean, there was the one in

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Speaker 4: Great Lynn and Auckland that cost half a million dollars,

989
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Speaker 4: most of that because of the traffic management yets, but

990
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Speaker 4: half a million dollars the one in three Kings in

991
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: Auckland that was laid, then ripped up and then laid

992
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 4: again within about a year and a half or something

993
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: like that, at the cost of six hundred thousand dollars.

994
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 4: Then there were the ones in Wellington that they haven't

995
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Speaker 4: built yet. But this is the subject of the council

996
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: walk out the other day. Five of them in the

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Speaker 4: space of one point seven k's that will cost one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. That is the problem

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00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: with the speed bumps. That is why a few people

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00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: are furious about them, because what should just be a

1001
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 4: simple job of pouring a lump of tar seal on

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Speaker 4: the road and then kind of smoothing it out and

1003
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Speaker 4: making it a bit round, has become a massive engineering

1004
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 4: feat which costs the same as building a house somewhere

1005
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: down country. Very few people are going to be upset

1006
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: about this with Sime and Brown councils will be on

1007
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 4: notice as well, because now every single speed bump that

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00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 4: you see popping up in your local area will be

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Speaker 4: ordered and pay for out of your rate payer dollars.

1010
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 4: And it's coming from the very councils who are jacking

1011
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: up your rates by huge amounts at the moment. So

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00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 4: every single speed bump from here on in has got

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00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 4: to be justified. I'd say ever do for Sea Ellen

1014
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 4: Heather Matt Durcy definitely not the Golden Balls minister should

1015
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 4: stop referring to product. He sounds like a twenty four

1016
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 4: year old NBA grad. Thank you, Rachel. He's probably not

1017
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 4: the Golden Balls minister. A I reckon, now that we're

1018
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 4: back on that sub jet Simeon and Erica, what do

1019
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: you think? I reckon Simeon. Simeon is obviously the guy,

1020
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 4: but I reckon I would also extend the epithet to Erica.

1021
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 4: I don't know how she feels about that particular genderization

1022
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: of her talent, but I reckon she's a golden Bulls

1023
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 4: minister too. Sorry for scouting about the rain where the

1024
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: apparently it's raining everywhere. Headline's next on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

1026
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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive

1027
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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand, let's get connected and news talk

1028
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: as they'd be.

1029
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Speaker 4: After six o'clock, we'd have Hipt Miles Hurrel of Fonterra.

1030
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: He's actually overseas with the Prime Minister at the moment,

1031
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 4: and apparently the Southeast Asians just love the uh t

1032
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 4: cream that Fonterra is doing. So he's announced that they're

1033
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 4: going to open a new cream factory in Edendale. Great

1034
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: news for Southland. One hundred and fifty million bucks going

1035
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: in there. So he'll explain it to us when he's

1036
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 4: with us shortly. Apparently they're swopping out their coconut milk

1037
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: put in the uht and in instead, which is obviously

1038
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 4: the traditional way of doing it. So anyway, we'll get

1039
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Speaker 4: the latest. The Huddle is standing by hither. I know

1040
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: where there are some speed bumps in Auckland that want

1041
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: to be relocated if another council wants them. I'm on

1042
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: board with that. I'm happy to help.

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Speaker 2: Them with that.

1044
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 4: I just if they could just just pay their relocation

1045
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 4: costs of that speed bump, given that we've probably sunk

1046
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: a lot of money into it by now as well,

1047
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 4: six hundred thousand or so. So yeah, that's a great idea,

1048
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: thanks mate. Twenty three away from six now, there is

1049
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 4: a realistic possibility of a terrorist attack in New Zealand,

1050
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: and the most likely way that it could happen is

1051
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 4: a lone actor. That's according to the latest security assessment

1052
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 4: by our Intelligence Services. Andrew Hampton is the Director General

1053
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 4: at the SIS Hey Andrew hi hever is the possibility

1054
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 4: of a terrorist attack like this more or less likely

1055
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: than it was last year.

1056
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Speaker 19: It is consistent with last year's assessment, which is there

1057
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 19: is a realistic possibility of a a terrorist event, but

1058
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 19: the threaten environment continues to evolve, and one of the

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00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 19: things that has changed over the last year is the

1060
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 19: increased prominence of what we call people with mixed unclear

1061
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 19: ones stablider ideologies or motivations. So these are people who

1062
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 19: often young, radicalized online, fixated with violence. They may not

1063
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 19: have strong affiliations to a particular ideology, but they're looking

1064
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 19: for something to justify under taking a violent act.

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00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 4: Right, And these kinds of people are very hard to stop,

1066
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 4: aren't they because they act by themselves.

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00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 19: Well, fortunately, you know, we're talking about only a very

1068
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 19: small number of individuals who we know about, who we're

1069
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 19: concerned about, and we're keeping an eye on them. But yes,

1070
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 19: you're you're right. The risk with a self radicalized individual,

1071
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 19: they're likely to be acting alone. There won't necessarily be

1072
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 19: much intelligence warning, and they'll use capabilities that are readily

1073
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 19: at hand, such as knives or vehicles. That's one of

1074
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 19: the reasons why we've put this threat assessment out so

1075
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 19: that the public know what the signs of someone who

1076
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 19: may be on that mobilization pathway looks like and so

1077
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 19: they can spot those signs and then place. There's a

1078
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 19: range of range of things to look at, and we

1079
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 19: released a couple of years ago a report specifically on that.

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00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 19: But part of it is people's online behavior. Part of

1081
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 19: it is individuals may be looking at their own security,

1082
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 19: you know, how they obscure what they're doing. Sometimes it

1083
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 19: may be radical changes and behavior from people. It may

1084
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 19: be about how they espouse particular ideology. So there are

1085
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 19: a range of things to look for. The key message

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Speaker 19: we want to get across is if you know, within

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Speaker 19: your community, even within your family, you're concerned about someone

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00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 19: because they may be engaging with extremist material. They may

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Speaker 19: be talking about wanting to undertake some sort of act,

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00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 19: they may be seeking to associate with people online. Of

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00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 19: concern that you know, you do, you do raise that

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Speaker 19: with us or with the police. You know, and in

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00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 19: many cases, in most cases, you know, people who exhibit

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00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 19: online behaviors don't end up taking undertaking a real world act,

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Speaker 19: but sometimes they do.

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Speaker 4: On the spying, the report says that you guys busted

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Speaker 4: a unit gathering info for a Foreign Intelligence Service and

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00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 4: then you send a message to them to stop. Did

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Speaker 4: they stop?

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Speaker 19: They definitely took notice. What what we try and do

1101
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 19: is make very clear to those countries that are undertaking

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00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 19: that type of active that we know what they're up to,

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00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 19: that we are monitoring them, and that it is said,

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00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 19: it may not be a legal activity, but it is

1105
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 19: activity that's inconsistent with our values and our national interest

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00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 19: and for them to cease doing it, and it should

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Speaker 19: expect they don't like that very much. Sometimes though, it

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00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 19: just leads to them trying to, you know, obscure their

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00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 19: their activities more. But in that particular case, yes, they

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Speaker 19: took notice.

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Speaker 4: Andrew, thank you. I really appreciate you having a chat

1112
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 4: with us. Andrew Hopton, Director General of the SIS. It's

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00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: coming up nineteen away.

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Speaker 1: From six the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty

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00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: Exceptional marketing for every property on the Huddle.

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 4: This evening got David Farracuria Polster and KII blog and

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: Allie Jones read pr Halo guys Maheather David, is it

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00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 4: normal for our spies to warn the other spies that

1119
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 4: we busted them spying?

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00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: It is quite normal? Would be my assumption.

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00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: I feel like spycraft though, does it.

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00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 24: No, But it's sort of like you had save a

1123
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 24: lot of time and bother if you just say, look,

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00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 24: we're on to you, we know what you're doing, rather

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 24: than have to keep monitoring it, they'll go away.

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Speaker 4: But they'll just try harder to hide themselves, won't.

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Speaker 2: They that they will, etc.

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Speaker 24: But it's not the sort of activity where, well, if

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Speaker 24: you had found out you know, there was a secret

1130
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 24: agent who was stealing secrets, that's not just something you'd

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00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 24: say we know about all right.

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Speaker 2: But this is like having front groups et trying to

1133
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: stir things up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, allie, how do you feel about this?

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Speaker 3: In freaking I think yet it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I think there are two different things here.

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Speaker 20: Firstly, there's that that spying and that infiltration that we

1139
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 20: heard a bit about there. And then I think they're

1140
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 20: those lunatics that try and promote ideologies, and in christ Church,

1141
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Speaker 20: of course we're well aware of that after the terrible,

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Speaker 20: tragic mosque shootings some years ago. But I also, you know,

1143
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 20: and I don't want to make light of this because

1144
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 20: that was tragic and it could happen again. But I

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00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 20: find this really quite bizarre. I mean I watch a

1146
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 20: lot of Netflix, I watch a lot of streaming stuff

1147
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 20: on spies, and I think we are very relaxed in

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Speaker 20: New Zealand.

1149
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: But I just can't imagine spies here.

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Speaker 2: Can you.

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00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes me think of Wellington paranormal.

1152
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 4: It just seems bizarre, it does, I mean, David, I mean,

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: Allie makes a really good point, right because we had

1154
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Speaker 4: a couple of spies in Parliament. We kicked them out.

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Speaker 4: They're not very good at it, are they.

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00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 24: The thing is we don't off probably since the seventies eighties,

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00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 24: do we have yo like you see on Netflix the Americans,

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00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 24: the deep undercover spies. Probably not, because our military defense

1160
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 24: secrets aren't really that important. But what we definitely have

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00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 24: is influence operations. We see and yeah, our name one

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 24: of People's Republic of China puts many millions of dollars

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Speaker 24: into Confucius Institutes, into funding through universities to try.

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Speaker 2: And get their view of the world normalized.

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Speaker 24: In New Zealan, I think there is the bigger issue

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00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 24: that we need to be concerned about that you've got

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00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 24: these influence operations rather than traditional spot David.

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Speaker 4: Okay, explain to me why I should be worried about

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 4: that because I look at that and think, Okay, it's

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Speaker 4: an idea. You're pitching an idea at me. You're putting

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Speaker 4: a lot of money into an idea. I'm not scared

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00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: of your idea. I want to understand your idea. It

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 4: doesn't feel to me particularly nefarious, should it.

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Speaker 24: Well, the furious part is when it comes that he

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00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 24: who has the gold you know, the golden role. And

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Speaker 24: what you've then had is that universities start to self

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00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 24: censor for they don't want to lose the funding. They

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Speaker 24: have certain areas demmed off topic.

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Speaker 2: You've had protest benners removed from.

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Speaker 24: Campus because they were worried they might upset the government

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Speaker 24: of China. That's when it becomes a real problem of

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00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 24: the fundings, no strings attached, fine, but the funding of courses.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is the mayli where there's money. If you

1184
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Speaker 4: step out of line and you lose the money, oh.

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Speaker 20: Yeah absolutely, And as we know, you just follow the money.

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Speaker 20: You just look at some of the money that's being

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Speaker 20: spent in the Pacific at the moment. We're in Fiji

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Speaker 20: a couple of years ago, and there's some amazing stuff

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Speaker 20: happening there, and it's all funded by the People's Republic

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Speaker 20: of China.

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Speaker 3: So and we know that we're in a great position

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Speaker 3: here in the Pacific.

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Speaker 20: There are country is very interested in getting a hold on,

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Speaker 20: you know, in the Pacific here, and that would be

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Speaker 20: the main reason. But I still can't get past that

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Speaker 20: almost comic idea of you know, get smart or it

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00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 20: just seems bizarre.

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Speaker 3: In a country like New Zealand, it just seems weird.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey guys, we'll take a break and come back,

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00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 4: and just the ticket's called to two.

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Speaker 4: Back of the Huddle, Alie Jones and David Farrah Ali,

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Speaker 4: what do you think about this tourism levy going up?

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00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: And are you worried about it putting the tourists off?

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00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: No, not worried about it putting the two. The only

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Speaker 3: tourists I am concerned about it putting.

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Speaker 15: Off is the.

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Speaker 20: I was going to say lowest spending. They actually don't

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Speaker 20: spend less when you add it up, because they stay longer.

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Speaker 20: But I'm talking about the backpackers. The backpackers and the

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Speaker 20: self contained cheap car travelers come here Now two things,

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Speaker 20: As I said, they stay here longer, so they spend

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Speaker 20: less per day, but they stay here longer so they

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Speaker 20: spend well. And also they come back when they're older

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Speaker 20: and they spend more then, and they bring their kids.

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's definitely Alie. This thing is

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Speaker 4: kind of slightly geared towards getting rid of them.

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Speaker 20: Well, I think that's a shame, and I don't you know,

1220
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 20: they're not looking at their own stats.

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Speaker 3: If that's the case. I think overall it's a good idea.

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Speaker 20: You know, when we were in Europe recently, you pay

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Speaker 20: anything from two bucks to ten bucks a night on

1224
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 20: top of what you're paying for accommodation, and that's the

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Speaker 20: tax there.

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Speaker 3: We paid forty eight.

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Speaker 20: Dollars for a three hour layover going through the US.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I do think we've charged too little

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: But I would hate to think that we're going to

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Speaker 20: lose those longest staying backpacker tourists.

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Speaker 4: David, I reckon this is going to prove to be

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Speaker 4: popular amongst the public because we are sick of them

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00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 4: kind of being subsidized at US having to subsidize it.

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Speaker 4: But I just wonder if the timing's a bit off.

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Speaker 5: It will be popular.

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Speaker 24: People always like taxes, and effectively it's a tax that

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Speaker 24: someone else pays.

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Speaker 2: This is from a popularity point of view. No one

1240
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: who votes in New Zealand will have to pay this tax.

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01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 2: Where it's a bit cumbers a lot.

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Speaker 24: I understand the need that you have to have infrastructure

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Speaker 24: funded for, and you know GST might not be enough,

1244
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 24: but just one hundred dollars per airport entry seems a

1245
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 24: bit of like someone who comes here for a one

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Speaker 24: day conference will pay the same as someone who spends

1247
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Speaker 24: three weeks traveling around, touristing through New Zealand, etc. You know,

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Speaker 24: an actual bed tax would probably make a bit more

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Speaker 24: sense than just this flat one hundred dollar levy.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Actually, somebody on the text has said exactly that, David

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: so great minds thinker like that. Now, Ellie, tell me something,

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Speaker 4: because you're over fifty, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Hey, are you people getting divorced?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: Look, there are a lot of us getting divorced. I'm guessing.

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Speaker 20: I'm I think we probably get to an age where

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01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 20: we know what we want and what we don't want,

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Speaker 20: you know, and we go right bugger it. And also

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Speaker 20: I think society has changed and we can do it.

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Speaker 20: It seems so common now and so normal. I think

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Speaker 20: also women are more financially independent than they have been,

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Speaker 20: although less than the.

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Speaker 3: Key we say, because we stopped working for a while

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Speaker 3: to have kids.

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Speaker 20: We like to travel. He likes to stay at home

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Speaker 20: and watch the tally. You know, there are things like

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Speaker 20: that happening too. But I think it's got to do

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Speaker 20: with with women just going no, actually I want this

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Speaker 20: and I'm going to do this.

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Speaker 3: And good on them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, David, are you over fifty?

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Speaker 2: I am, and as you know, God, yes, So I

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Speaker 2: wanted my decisions.

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Speaker 3: What was it, David?

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Speaker 11: Was it?

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Speaker 4: Did you stop? Do we just start doing the dishwasher properly?

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Speaker 2: I think they have been part of a could will

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Speaker 2: be part of it.

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Speaker 24: But I think most people in their fifties, I've got

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01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 24: younger kids, you know, the kids have got adults. I

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Speaker 24: have since my safrage, I've talked to a lot of friends,

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 24: and the yes is that we're in our relationship.

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Speaker 2: I may so many of them.

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Speaker 24: Have said R and ds too, that you do get frustrated,

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Speaker 24: that tensions do build up. Now obviously, some people work

1288
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 24: through them, some don't. But the number one I have

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Speaker 24: take for it is you have to keep working really

1290
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 24: hard at a relationship. You can't just say, yep, we're

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Speaker 24: now in this comfortable routine, etc.

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Speaker 2: There because they all have these tensions and stresses that

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Speaker 2: build up.

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Speaker 4: David, do you reckon because your kidd's young? Do you

1295
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Speaker 4: reckon that the tension? I mean like it's exacerbated by

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Speaker 4: having kids, right, because young kids, especially under five, are

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Speaker 4: really tough to have around.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 24: The real challenge when you have young kids is having

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Speaker 24: enough time for you and your partner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, partners, not just parents.

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Speaker 24: And I'm sure so many families have gone through this,

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Speaker 24: and some do it better than others.

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Speaker 15: But it has.

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Speaker 24: Absolutely a challenge because when you do get a bit time,

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Speaker 24: years just want to.

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Speaker 2: Go to sleep.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, but a big part of that as well as

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 20: don't forget you know, some of us are having all

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 20: some of us had kids much older, so parents are older,

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01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 20: parents of parents are older. So you know, in the

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01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 20: days when we used to rely on our parents to

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01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 20: help out, that's not happening so much anymore either. So yes,

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01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 20: it does add stress, but it's great when they go.

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Speaker 3: It's good when they leave the charm and I think, yes, yea, Ellie,

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Speaker 3: you know parents.

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Speaker 4: Ellie, you'll tell us to two people who are like

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Speaker 4: decades away from that.

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Speaker 5: Mate.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, we'll just keep looking. It's like light at the

1321
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,479
Speaker 20: end of the tunnel. Enjoy them now, but it's great

1322
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 20: when they go.

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Speaker 2: I just have to share this.

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01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 24: By four and seven year old knowing none on the

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01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 24: radio put a letter under the door saying can we

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Speaker 24: please have a wine gum? Flip over this paper pot

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 24: back out to tell us if we can or not? PS,

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Speaker 24: I love you very much.

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Speaker 15: Did you did you do that?

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Speaker 2: No? I've only just found the letter.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is so sweet.

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Speaker 4: You give them a wine gum. David please, that's David

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Speaker 4: Farah and help them sack. Yeah. Probably they covered all bases,

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Speaker 4: smart little ones. It's how gorgeous is that? David Farah

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Speaker 4: and Alie Jones ahartle seven away from six on your.

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Speaker 1: Smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your car

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Speaker 1: on your drive home. Heather duper c Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one Giant Leap for Business News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Myles Harrela Fonterra is going to be with us in

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Speaker 4: around about twelve minutes time, Heather, Divorce over fifty is

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Speaker 4: called menopause. Paul, thank you. Now you might be right, Paul,

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Speaker 4: But I'm starting to develop an alternative theory here, which

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01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 4: is that there are a lot of people over fifty

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01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 4: who have got youngest kids like David, and maybe that's

1345
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 4: adding to the skew of it as well, because the

1346
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: numbers are going up. So maybe you got a lot

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 4: of pressure later in life for parents and stuff like that.

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01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 4: But then maybe it's the menopause. Menopause is a real

1349
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 4: thing that that causes people to go women to go

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 4: completely nut, so doesn't it. And then also you know

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Speaker 4: that you're remove out and now you're stuck looking at

1352
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 4: each other and you're thinking, ah, so you're the one

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01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 4: who wasn't doing the dishwasher.

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Speaker 7: All of that, all of the above, well, maybe if

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01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 7: your husband is constantly naghing you about your menopause and

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01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 7: making jokes about your menopause, that might not help either.

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Speaker 4: Listen, ants, let me tell you something about menopause and

1358
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: hormones and a woman. Nothing helps. So you could literally

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01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 4: be sitting there breathing ants and I would divorce you

1360
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: over it. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'll call the lawys.

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Speaker 4: That's okay, Yeah, you get ready.

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Speaker 10: What are you doing?

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,959
Speaker 4: It's trying to end it already, is like call the lawyers,

1365
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 4: put the music up. Off we go, Hey, before we go?

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Speaker 4: Before off we go. I'm fascinated by how this business

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01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 4: is going to work with the king's coronation now that

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01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 4: King t Hazia has passed away. Not because I think

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 4: it's a particularly powerful position or anything like that. Like

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Speaker 4: I'm not hyping I'm not hyping myself over it. But

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01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 4: I'm here for the drama. I am here for the drama.

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Speaker 4: So it's going to be announced on Thursday, maybe even tomorrow.

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01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: It's a group of twelve people who are going to decide.

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Speaker 4: They called the Coomara Urua, which just basically means twelve,

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01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 4: and it was set up by King Tarfeel in the

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 4: nineteenth century because he'd become a Christian thrice like literally,

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 4: he'd been baptized three times, and he loved the number

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01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 4: twelve because you know, Jesus had twelve disciples, so why

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01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 4: shouldn't he, So he set up a group of twelve

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Speaker 4: to help him run the situation. Once they're appointed, they

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: hold the position until they die. There are some people,

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Speaker 4: you know, in the group of twelve, Shay Wilson, the

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 4: former president of the Maori Party, Penny here Nare of

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 4: Labor and old mate on our Hardawada is in there now.

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Speaker 4: The expectation is that generally the eldest child of the

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:27,439
Speaker 4: king succeeds, but unfortunately they've had a falling out, haven't

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01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 4: they over him marrying the wrong bird? And then the

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01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 4: second son has had a bit of trouble with the law.

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01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 4: So the daughter is the one who looks most likely

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01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 4: to take it. But then some of the ear we

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01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 4: have said that I don't want any of the children,

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01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 4: So all of a sudden you've got a curveball like

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Speaker 4: nanayah maybe, And I am here for this drama, like

1394
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 4: there's nothing I love more than a bit of royal drama,

1395
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 4: whether it's Harry over in the UK or what's going

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01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 4: on here. Anyway, we'll find out tomorrow or Thursday.

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Speaker 5: We have business means. Inside the business hour we're the

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Speaker 5: duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: And even in coming up for the next hour, I've

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Speaker 4: got a survey of CFOs that show a fair few

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01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: of them are feeling pretty optimistic. We're going to talk

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01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 4: to Brad Olson about that shortly, Ozzie GDP data is

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01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 4: out tomorrow. Paul Bloxham on that, and Jamie mackay on

1404
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,479
Speaker 4: what the milk price is going to do this season.

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 4: It's coming up eight past six now. Fonterra is set

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 4: to invest one hundred and fifty million bucks to build

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 4: a new plant in Southland to meet growing demand from Asia.

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01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 4: The plant will produce uht cream, with demand expected to

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01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 4: rise more than four percent every single year for the

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Speaker 4: next decade. The chief executive, Miles Hurell, made the announcement

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Speaker 4: in Malaysia today. He's traveling with the Prime Minister's delegation.

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Speaker 4: Is have a jat tam High Miles, Hi, This is

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Speaker 4: fantastic stuff. Why do they like the UHTA cream so much?

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01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean it's been a grown market for us

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Speaker 25: for quite some time, mainly on the back of China

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Speaker 25: for the last a decade or so. But you know,

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 25: we're reaching to a point where our capacity and the

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 25: wakados are are filling up and so we need to

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01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 25: invest more so south it's the right thing for us.

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01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so what's going on here? Because I heard that

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Speaker 4: apparently people in Southeast Asia are taking the coconut milkout

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01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 4: and and Darian, is that what's up?

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 25: Yeah, there has been a move more from the Western

1425
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 25: diet when we've been using our products in the Western

1426
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 25: diet more to sort of in that call of fusion,

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01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 25: so you know, such as laxa and milk teas. We're

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Speaker 25: starting to see our products going to those categories now,

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 25: which which is great because of course that's what the

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01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 25: traditional people in Malaysia and the like are eating.

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01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: So it opens up a new market for us.

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Speaker 4: Is there as much demand in places like that as

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 4: there is in China?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's off a lower base clearly.

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Speaker 25: I mean the China story has been going as a

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Speaker 25: safe sort of five to ten years now, so it

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 25: is growing. It's sort of double digit in some in

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Speaker 25: some categories for us.

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01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 6: So we are to see it.

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01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 25: And being in Malaysia this week, you know, to see

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 25: at first ham and hear from our customers and partners.

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01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great market for us.

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 4: And is this a case of you guys hunting out

1444
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 4: alternative markets in order to diversify away from China or

1445
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 4: are they hunting you out?

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 25: Well, it's a combination of both. I mean we've always

1447
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 25: been in the Southeast Asia market, you know, sort of

1448
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 25: for fifty odd years in in Malaysia, and you know,

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01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 25: it's it's just an opportunity for us to sort of

1450
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 25: grow beyond the China's market. So you know, it's an

1451
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 25: end story for us.

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good move. Okay.

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01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 25: So why Edendale, Well there's a bit of surplus cream

1454
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 25: in that in that area. You know, most of our

1455
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 25: cream capacity in the North is field at at Whiteta.

1456
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 25: So this is an opportunity to sort of turn what

1457
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 25: maybe you perceived as a sort of a commodity end

1458
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 25: of the cycle for some of the cream that we

1459
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 25: had down there and put it into this area. And

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01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 25: of course, you know, opening up to seventy year old

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 25: new jobs in the area well received as well. I'm

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 25: sure by that by the region.

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 4: Oh, i'd imagine. So yeah, any concerns it all about

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01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 4: actually finding.

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01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 25: The workforce, No, I don't think so. I mean we've

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01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 25: got pretty strong relationships with the unions and as a

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01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 25: result it get you know, some pretty good talent comes

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 25: through through the pipeline, so I know we're not concerned

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 25: about that. You know, we've got a strong pipeline of

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Speaker 25: people coming through right across the country and miles.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're doing this at a time when we

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Speaker 4: are talking about so many businesses just being unable to

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 4: cope with the power prices and it being part of

1474
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 4: the reason why they're talking about shutting down. Is that

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 4: a concern for you at all?

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01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 25: Well, if anything, it sort of reinforces the need to

1477
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 25: continue to add value because on one side, you know,

1478
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 25: your costs continue to go up and you're under pressure,

1479
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 25: so you've got to look for new markets and new

1480
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 25: avenues to grow you grow the top line. So you know,

1481
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 25: if anything, it sort of pushes us into that space.

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 25: But we are conscious that you know, the New Zealand

1483
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 25: and the world is not in a great space right now,

1484
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 25: but you know there's confidence for us and in both

1485
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 25: the New Zealand market and in globally. And you know,

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 25: couple this with our announcement last week and start around

1487
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 25: our ingredients business.

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 2: You know, it shows that that the industry is in

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01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: good shape. And and Fonterra it was also a good joke.

1490
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do you think the power thing is going to resolve itself?

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 25: I think so these things over time have have habit

1493
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 25: of working themselves out. The markets will sort of, you know,

1494
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 25: get back to an equilibrium. But but there's a bit

1495
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 25: of pain on the way through, as we can all see.

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01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 25: And it's you know, at least it's it's front and

1497
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 25: center now with those and Power and Wellington, so hopefully

1498
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 25: they can they can see some change coming through.

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Speaker 2: But but you know, it's a stress for the industry,

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Speaker 2: no question, Miles.

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01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 4: How's the trip going?

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 26: You're going?

1503
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 25: Well, you know, the Promeinise has been out there sort

1504
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 25: of way in the new New Zealand flag. You know,

1505
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 25: we're here with other food and beverage companies, these education,

1506
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 25: these tourism and he's doing a good job on that front.

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 25: But it's been pretty pretty busy the last couple days.

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 25: We're off to South Korea ladder tonight, so looking forward

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01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 25: to that.

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01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, good, enjoy yourself, Miles really appreciated as Miles Hurrell,

1511
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 4: chief executive of font Era. How good is that news

1512
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 4: for Edendalgan? I love it got a little bit of

1513
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 4: an understanding, like slightly more clarity, not a lot, but

1514
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 4: slightly more clarity about why that Deval receivership report is

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 4: still secret. The receivership report, by the way, will outline

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Speaker 4: who is owed, what how much money? And so this

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Speaker 4: is what So it is reasonably important that this has

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Speaker 4: made public. It's been to the High Court. In the

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Speaker 4: High Court, lawyers for Duval were arguing it shouldn't be

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Speaker 4: made public. Media outlets were arguing it should be made

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Speaker 4: public because it's in the public interest and clearly given

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Speaker 4: the scale of this business. It is the judge hearing

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Speaker 4: it is Neil Campbell. He's reserved his decision in a

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Speaker 4: minute he released late last week. He did, though, acknowledge

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Speaker 4: the public interest in this, so that I think is

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Speaker 4: hopefully assigned that it is going to be out and

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Speaker 4: apparently it's been reported that there is a decision expected

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Speaker 4: just in the next few days as to whether to

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Speaker 4: release the report or not. So stand by for that.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen past six crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 4: It's the daughter that's from Lynn, that's apropos, the King's

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Speaker 4: me for this. She's actually quite impressive. She's got herself

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Speaker 4: work for him and accompanying him and stuff like that,

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Speaker 4: Is seventeen past sex now. A new survey of chief

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Speaker 4: financial offices shows there's some positivity for the year ahead.

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Speaker 4: The inaugural Hunter Campbell Mood of the CFO survey shows

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Speaker 4: thirty percent of CFOs feel upbeat about upcoming company performance.

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Speaker 4: Informetric's principle economist Brad Olson is all over this, Hi, Brad,

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Speaker 4: good evening. Were you surprised to see this level of

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Speaker 4: positivity a little bit?

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Speaker 10: I mean both in terms of expectations for the year ahead,

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Speaker 10: but actually just looking at how activity has gone for

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Speaker 10: a lot of companies over the last year. You know,

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Speaker 10: some of the CFOs that were interviewed suggested that, yes,

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Speaker 10: it's been tough. Twenty one percent of their revenue had declined,

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Speaker 10: twenty nine said their profitability had declined. And I think

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Speaker 10: the difference in those numbers sort of suggest, you know that,

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Speaker 10: obviously costs are still playing a part, but the fact

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Speaker 10: that thirty percentury the upbeat or bullish about company expectations

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Speaker 10: for the year ahead, I think does reinforce what you've

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Speaker 10: seen in other surveys and other indicators that actually, you know,

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Speaker 10: there is a bit of a bit more optimism coming

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Speaker 10: through in the business community about better things to come.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Now, I mean, obviously thirty percent feeling great does mean

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Speaker 4: that's seventy percent, So what's going on there?

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Speaker 10: Well, Equally, when we sort of look through some of

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Speaker 10: those figures, you've got sort of thirty percent that are

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Speaker 10: either upbeat or bullish, you've got sort of the bulk

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Speaker 10: in the middle who are sort of going, look, we

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Speaker 10: think that things will be okay, we'll either hold still

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Speaker 10: or will grow but maybe not had our growth expectations,

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Speaker 10: or you know, will grow, but we might have our

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Speaker 10: expectations but not really sort of plow through them. But

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Speaker 10: I think it does sort of suggest if you look

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Speaker 10: at the numbers who are reporting that they think things

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Speaker 10: are going to get worse from where they are here,

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Speaker 10: it's still sort of in an all right position.

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Speaker 4: So what is it that they are saying specifically that

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Speaker 4: they're worried about.

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Speaker 10: I mean, there's still a range of concerns out there.

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Speaker 10: I mean, obviously costs are still a big part of it,

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Speaker 10: and I mean, you know, I think there's been a

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Speaker 10: lot of confidence that the lowering of the official cash

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Speaker 10: rate has provided to them. Also interesting is what they're

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Speaker 10: asking for from politicians. Some of it is the usual stuff.

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Speaker 10: You know, they want less regulation and and sort of

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Speaker 10: policies that support more productive outcomes. You know, they don't

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Speaker 10: want to be dealing in red tape every day. They

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Speaker 10: want sort of you know, the right tax settings to

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Speaker 10: people get on and go to work and do that

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Speaker 10: productive stuff. But sort of almost surprisingly for CFOs, you know,

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Speaker 10: everyone thinks of them from a very traditional finance point

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Speaker 10: of view. But you know this Hunter Campbell now says

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Speaker 10: highlights that actually there's things around the likes of the

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Speaker 10: cost of living, about crime rates, around utility bills and

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Speaker 10: similar you know, there is a much greater focus I

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Speaker 10: think on people and talent from CFOs at the moment.

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Speaker 10: They do care a lot more about the staff that

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Speaker 10: they're looking after. They're having to be a lot more

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Speaker 10: proactive about that, and in fact, they're actually still worried

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Speaker 10: about talent despite the fact the unemployment rates going up,

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Speaker 10: and I think that highlights that we still have a

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Speaker 10: skills mismatch. There's still some good talent needed in the

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Speaker 10: finance space at the minute.

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Speaker 4: Brad, I know you love your infrastructure. What did you

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Speaker 4: make of the announcement yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Look, I think it's encouraging to see that, you know,

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Speaker 10: all of that money being spent going forward on infrastructure,

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Speaker 10: and certainly some of those is that you know, do

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Speaker 10: desperately need it. I'm a Northander, I know how challenging

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Speaker 10: it is when the brend Dowins go out, So you know,

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Speaker 10: some of those investments are encouraging. The tricky thing looking

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Speaker 10: through the document is going to be there is a

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Speaker 10: lot of commitment to spend money. There is not a

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Speaker 10: huge amount of that money into the future years that's

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Speaker 10: going spare, So at some point we're going to have

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Speaker 10: to decide do we want to sit in traffic, do

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Speaker 10: we want to have you know, congestion running through or

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Speaker 10: are we happy to pay tolls or taxes or something

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Speaker 10: because we've got to get better quality infrastructure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, Hey Brad, thank you as always really appreciated.

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Speaker 4: That's Brad Olson, informetrics principle economist. The GDP number for

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Speaker 4: Australia is due out tomorrow and if I remember correctly,

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Speaker 4: in the March quarter it was something like zero point

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Speaker 4: one percent, and then this quarter that's just gone. The

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Speaker 4: June quarter they are expecting it to be somewhere between

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Speaker 4: zero point one and zero point three percent, so it's

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Speaker 4: pretty much flatlining. It's but it's not pretty, but at

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Speaker 4: least it's not a recession. At least it's not three

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01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 4: recessions like in New Zealand. Anyway, Paul Bloxham is going

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Speaker 4: to be with us after half past six and talk

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Speaker 4: us through it. Brazil's ban on Twitter, it seems to

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Speaker 4: be holding. It's just gone to the Supreme Court there

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Speaker 4: they have upheld at five judges unanimously agreed Twitter deserves

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Speaker 4: to stay banned. What seems to have irritated the judges,

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Speaker 4: or at least one of them, is that when it

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Speaker 4: was in the lower courts, I think last week a

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Speaker 4: court had told Twitter to name a legal representative in Brazil,

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Speaker 4: but Twitter is a big deal, don't you know, because

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Speaker 4: of Elon Musk. So they didn't do it, and so

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Speaker 4: the judge. The judge was quite annoyed, said because Twitter

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Speaker 4: had ignored it, it obviously considered itself above the rule

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Speaker 4: of law and therefore it can stay banned. Six twenty one.

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Speaker 5: The Rural Report on hither due to see allan drive.

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Speaker 4: Either if you're in Brazil, which I'm not, but thank

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Speaker 4: you for the advice, just use a VPN. You can

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Speaker 4: get around the Twitter ban easily.

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Speaker 24: Ben.

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Speaker 4: That is a lot of effort to go to just

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Speaker 4: use Twitter, which actually, frankly sucks lately. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if you've tried it. Six twenty four with me now

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Speaker 4: is Jamie McKay host to the Country a Jamie Good Heather.

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Speaker 26: Interesting to hear you talking to Miles Hurrell at the

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Speaker 26: top of the air. Look significant investment last week at Studham,

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Speaker 26: this week Sedendale and Southland. Good news week or a

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Speaker 26: couple of weeks for the dairy industry. They've got a

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Speaker 26: GDT auction tonight, my guy Jardin Mike McIntire picking another

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Speaker 26: two to three percent rise. The milk futures are sitting

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Speaker 26: at eight eighty nine. That's getting up there. They and

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Speaker 26: Zed are leading the charge.

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Speaker 2: Heather.

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Speaker 26: They've they've raised their forecast milk price to nine dollars

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Speaker 26: a kilogram last week. Interestingly, Rabobank went to sixty Fonterra

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Speaker 26: still at eight fifty. But you'd have to think on

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Speaker 26: the present market sentiment that maybe nine dollars is on

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Speaker 26: the cards and that's a good number.

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Speaker 4: How good? What a turnaround from where it was not

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Speaker 4: long ago and everybody was so upset and desperate.

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Speaker 26: Aim, Well, you go back to August twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 26: so that's twelve months ago we had that terrible GDT auction.

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Speaker 26: Six dollars fifty was the number being bandied about, and

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Speaker 26: that would have resulted in the loss for nearly every

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Speaker 26: dairy farmer in the country. Look, I mean the I

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Speaker 26: can't sugarcoat the increase in production over the past few years.

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Speaker 26: It's been absolutely horrendous. But you know, I look at

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Speaker 26: dairy and I compare it the poor old sheep farmers

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Speaker 26: at the moment, and there's some green sheets they are

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Speaker 26: coming for them as well, which is good. But I

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Speaker 26: think theiry is in quite a good space at the moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sounds like now, Jamie. I was skouting before about

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Speaker 4: how warm it's been in Auckland in the last few days,

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Speaker 4: and then I started getting all these texts about its raining.

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Speaker 4: Everywhere has been raining in Canterbury.

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Speaker 26: No, and that's what they need. They desperately need some rain.

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Speaker 26: In Canterbury they had a couple of cold shifts coming through.

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Speaker 26: But look, North Canterbury is absolutely dire, the Hiiranui district

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Speaker 26: in particular. I saw a rainfall quotation from one farmer

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Speaker 26: in Scagore, which is in North Canterbury. Between December of

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Speaker 26: last year and August of this year, I've only had

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Speaker 26: two hundred and twenty millimeters of millimeters of rain. Now

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Speaker 26: to classify as a desert on an annual basis you

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Speaker 26: need less than three hundred, so extrapolate that out. North

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Speaker 26: Canterbury is technically almost a desert. It was declared a

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Speaker 26: medium scale adverse event drought by Todd McLay, Minister of

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Speaker 26: Agriculture in March. But look, typically in Canterbury, you know

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Speaker 26: they'll have dry summers, they farm to those, the autumn

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Speaker 26: rains come, they get a bit of growth through the

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Speaker 26: winter and they're away. But they just haven't had the

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Speaker 26: autumn rains. They haven't even had the winter rains. They're

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Speaker 26: getting a wee bit of growth.

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Speaker 2: Now off the warmth.

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Speaker 26: But as soon as those Northwesters start going as they

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Speaker 26: are at the moment, witness the fire that's happening at

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Speaker 26: the moment, and that place will burn to a frazzle.

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Speaker 26: They desperately need some good news from Mother Nature in

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Speaker 26: the next two or three weeks. I'd suggest by the

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Speaker 26: end of September, or it could be game over.

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Speaker 4: He is hoping. Jamie, thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Jamie McKay hosts The Country Talking in a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: There is something weird going on with the guys up.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember those guys up at the space station,

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01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 4: the ones who went up with Boeing and then Boeing broke,

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01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 4: Because everything that Boeing does at the moment is they

1736
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 4: say they've been hearing a strange noise coming from the capsule.

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01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 4: It's like when you have a baby and they put

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Speaker 4: one of those listening devices on your belly and that's

1739
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,839
Speaker 4: what the babies heart, but it's not you're in space

1740
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 4: and then that weird thing is happening. So they called

1741
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 4: imagine how freaky that is called mission control. Played it

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Speaker 4: down the line. It sounds like it's just a speaker

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01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 4: feedback loop. Nothing serious, but just another problem with the

1744
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 4: Boeing thing. Just imagine that you're sitting up in space

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Speaker 4: all on your todd the two of you, and then

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Speaker 4: you're listening to that noise. Headline's next to them. Paul Bloxham.

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Speaker 5: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's hither duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Ellen with the Business Hour thanks to my HR, the

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Speaker 1: HR solution for busy s Emmy's on news talks, Ibby

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Speaker 1: begin a busy.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: Every Grady's going to be with us out of the

1753
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Speaker 4: UK shortly, so our first chance talking to him about

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Speaker 4: where they managed to get himself some Oasis tickets and

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01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 4: how expensive they were. By the way, I saw actually

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01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,480
Speaker 4: online that there is there is some advice from experts

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Speaker 4: that it is possible that Ticketmaster in the UK using

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Speaker 4: the dynamic pricing may have breached the law there, which

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Speaker 4: is not what we thought yesterday. So I'll get you

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Speaker 4: across that shortly. It's twenty four away from seven now.

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Speaker 4: Australian GDP comes out tomorrow and economists are expecting some

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Speaker 4: growth just a little bit, Paul blocks them as Agspecies

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Speaker 4: chief economist and with us. Now, hey, Paul, I see

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Speaker 4: a couple of banks have revised their forecasts down and

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01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 4: they're just sitting above zero at the moment.

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Speaker 18: What are you calling on the quarter itselfero point three

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Speaker 18: over the year one percent and irrespective, that would be

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01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 18: a pretty weak print really, and that's what we're expecting.

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Speaker 18: The growth is quite weak, as you say, it's sort

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Speaker 18: of somewhere in that very very low range for growth

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Speaker 18: in the economy. But that's what's needed in order to

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Speaker 18: get inflation down. We've been having sluggish growth in Australia

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Speaker 18: for some time, as you also know, we haven't had

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Speaker 18: a contraction in GDP. I mean other places in New

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Speaker 18: Zealand included have had declining GDP. In order to get

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Speaker 18: inflation down, Australia has chosen this pathway of slowing growth down,

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Speaker 18: having sluggish growth for a longer period to get inflation down,

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Speaker 18: but not actually having an outright contraction.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, is that as close as you get

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Speaker 4: to landing a jumbo jet on a postage stemp?

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Speaker 18: Well, this is it, right, So this is the aim

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Speaker 18: is to deliver a soft landing and also get inflation

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Speaker 18: to come down. And the trade off is it may

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Speaker 18: take longer, we may have a long we are likely

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Speaker 18: to have a longer period of weak growth in order

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Speaker 18: to get inflation to come down. And the other option

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Speaker 18: is to have a shorter period of much much weaker growth,

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Speaker 18: which is sort of where the direction of New Zealand's travel.

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Speaker 18: We think when the New Zealand numbers come out in

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Speaker 18: a few weeks time, it will show that in the

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Speaker 18: second quarter GDP probably fell in New Zealand. So there

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Speaker 18: are two sort of slightly they're different pathways to looking

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Speaker 18: to get inflation back to target.

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Speaker 4: Which one is the better one?

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Speaker 18: Well, this is a good question, and it really is

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Speaker 18: difficult to answer because it depends on, you know, preferences.

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Speaker 18: It depends on how heavily you weight the priority of

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Speaker 18: getting inflation down fast, and how you weight that against

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Speaker 18: how much unemployment you're prepared to accept, how much weaker

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Speaker 18: growth you're prepared to accept, And so it's how much

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Speaker 18: weight you place on those two priorities. And it seems

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Speaker 18: that the RBNZ has put a very high priority on

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Speaker 18: getting inflation down faster, and the RBA is finding, you know,

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Speaker 18: putting a bigger weight on trying to stay close to

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01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 18: full employment while getting inflation down. It really just depends

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Speaker 18: on how much weight those things carry.

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Speaker 4: Do you have an opinion, Paul, Because at the outset,

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Speaker 4: when this debate was happening, I thought, no, inflation's the

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01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 4: most important thing, go for it. But as the longer

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Speaker 4: this goes on in New Zealand, and the more businesses

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,679
Speaker 4: I see closed and the more economic scarring ICEE happen,

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01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 4: and particularly with the young people, I am starting to

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01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 4: question myself. So what's your opinion.

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Speaker 18: I think that it's going to take time for us

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Speaker 18: to be able to look back and assess where we landed.

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Speaker 18: I don't think it's actually reasonable to sort of sit

1817
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 18: in the middle of this process and try to make

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 18: a clear judgment as to which turns out to be

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01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 18: the better one. Unfortunately, it's going to take time for

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Speaker 18: us to sort of work out how things do actually

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01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 18: turn out, because inflation is not back at target yet.

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01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 18: In Australia, it's still well well above target and it's

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Speaker 18: going to take time. It's actually not quite back at

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01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 18: target in New Zealand yet either. Although the arbience of

1825
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 18: ZS obviously decided they can start to lower interest rates.

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Speaker 18: So I still think it's a bit early to really

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Speaker 18: decide which one was the better pathway. We're going to

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Speaker 18: need a bit more time to work it out.

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Speaker 4: Listen back to the GDP number at zero point three

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Speaker 4: percent for the quarter, Is that still a recession per

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01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 4: capita per capita?

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Speaker 18: Yes, so propopulation growth is still outpacing that. So GDP

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Speaker 18: per capita is falling. And that's the case of both

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Speaker 18: New Zealand and Australia. But in Australia's case, we had

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Speaker 18: very strong population growth and obviously quite weak GDP growth

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Speaker 18: per capita. GDP is declining, but overall GDP is not

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Speaker 18: because the growth is being supported by more people coming in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fascinating stuff, Paul, Thank you very much. We are

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Speaker 4: going to see a very interesting divergence here between the

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Speaker 4: two and be able to decide which are the two approaches,

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01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 4: is correct. That's Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economists. Now, you

1842
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Speaker 4: know if you listen to the show, that I think

1843
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 4: that most social media trends are the epitome of stupid, right,

1844
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 4: especially stuff that you see on TikTok. It's like brain

1845
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 4: dead Zone is real stupid. Shit going on there. I'm

1846
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 4: gonna be honest with you, I have found the best one.

1847
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 4: Yet nothing beats how stupid This one is fridge scaping.

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01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 4: So this is where people who clearly have no children,

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01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 4: very easy jobs, and no friends decide to decorate the

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Speaker 4: inside of their fridges. But they don't just decorate the

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01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 4: inside of their fridges to suit their personal esthetic. They

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 4: decorate the inside of their fridges in the style of

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01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 4: Bridgeton decor. So it's variously known as fridge scape or frigitin.

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01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 4: What they do is the following things like, you need

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01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 4: to really go and look this up online. Go go

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01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 4: fridge scaping or frigit in, have a look at that

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Speaker 4: to get the kind of full thing that they are

1858
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 4: doing here. But I'll paint you a picture, right, So,

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01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 4: imagine opening up your fridge and every single shelf is

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Speaker 4: just chock a block full of little knickknacks and crap

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Speaker 4: like that. There is a gold mirror attached to the

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Speaker 4: back of the fridge on one of the shelves. Someone's

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Speaker 4: put someone being the Fridgeona has put porcelain vases of

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Speaker 4: flowers on every single level, little jars with cut flowers,

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Speaker 4: a little like twined, tying, tying, the little little cut

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Speaker 4: ends of your little lavender, a porcelain hedgehog on one

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Speaker 4: of the shelves, and fairy lights across all of that. Yeah,

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01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,679
Speaker 4: fairy lights across all of the shelves. Cut out pictures

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01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 4: of fairy stuck to various bowls with cherries in them

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01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 4: or raspberries or whatever you got in there at the moment,

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01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 4: A toy deer, porcelain toadstools, butterflies stuck to the wall,

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Speaker 4: presumably with a little bit of blue tack, like something

1873
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 4: that looks like a glass ashtray but probably is a

1874
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 4: bit fancy, like like a little bowl of the nickknacks

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01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 4: or something like that. It's cut glass. Some unlit candles, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because you can't light the candle in the fridge, but

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01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 4: you can have the candle in their needlework in a frame,

1878
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,600
Speaker 4: some needlework that your granny did and left for you.

1879
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 4: The vibe is very kind of Scottish Christmas. I want

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01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 4: to say, it's it's cited like you've made a bit

1881
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 4: of an effort, but it's a bit of steer anyway.

1882
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 4: This is what they're doing with their time. Because I've

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01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 4: obviously got too much of it. I don't need to

1884
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 4: tell you that the health the food safety people have

1885
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 4: come out and told them it's probably not a good idea,

1886
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 4: because your fridge is for your food and not for

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 4: things like this that's been touched by everybody's gross little

1888
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 4: hands and is now in there with them. And hello

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01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 4: hashtag cross contamination idiots eighteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour, duplicy Allen and my HR the

1892
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMEs U stog zippi the why do.

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Speaker 4: You have to tell us a crap? Because if I

1894
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 4: don't tell you about fridgeton, who else is going to

1895
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 4: tell you? And when you go to your young one's

1896
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 4: house and you open the fridge up and you see

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01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 4: all the snnsense going on there, you'd be like, oh,

1898
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 4: that's right here. They told me about that. Now I

1899
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 4: know what's up. You get it out. But otherwise you'd be.

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Speaker 2: Like, what is this?

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01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 4: And fore warneders four round quarter to seven into Brady

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01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: UK correspondence with us. Now, Inda, Heather, did you get

1903
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 4: your tickets?

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01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: No, of course not.

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Speaker 27: So this was the story of the weekend and it's

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01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 27: turned into quite a political storm now Oasis tickets and

1907
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 27: dynamic pricing. Now apparently apps deploy this for hotel prices.

1908
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 27: Airlines use it when it gets busy. Dynamic pricing. It

1909
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 27: was implemented very quickly over the weekend for Oasis tickets

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01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 27: across the UK and Ireland and people ended up paying

1911
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Speaker 27: north of seven hundred and fifty dollars to stand. And

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Speaker 27: the way it works, there was a huge I mean

1913
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 27: there was at one stage eight hundred thousand people in

1914
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 27: the QU in the UK. I was in the Irish que.

1915
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 27: There's two gigs in Krog Park where we played Gaelic

1916
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,959
Speaker 27: football and hurling in Dublin, ninety thousand capacity in that stadium.

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Speaker 27: Two gigs in Dublin. I got onto the app. I'm

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Speaker 27: not even gonna mention the name of the people because

1919
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 27: not to give them any more publicity. I got onto

1920
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 27: that app with five minutes before the window opened, and

1921
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 27: I was number three hundred thousand in the Q in

1922
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 27: Ireland at seven to fifty five am on Saturday. Now, Heather,

1923
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 27: I'm Irish. There's no way I know Ireland on a

1924
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 27: Saturday morning.

1925
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 2: There's no way.

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01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:36,879
Speaker 27: There was three hundred thousand people awake on a Saturday

1927
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 27: morning in Ireland looking for Oasis tickets just not possible.

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01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 27: So the end result anyway is it's developed into a

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01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 27: huge political round now about basically the exploitation of fans

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Speaker 27: and this dynamic pricing. The UK government's going to have

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Speaker 27: an investigation and the Irish government is going to have

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Speaker 27: an investigation. But in answer to your question, no, I

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Speaker 27: didn't get tickets. And you know what, it sounds incredible entitled.

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Speaker 27: I'm going to wait until a week before that gig,

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Speaker 27: and I guarantee if someone will say to me, oh,

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Speaker 27: I've got one at face value, because all my mates

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Speaker 27: can't go.

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Speaker 15: That's why my plan?

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Speaker 4: Do you do you believe? Because I was just I was,

1940
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 4: and there's probably not a bad plan, by the way,

1941
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Speaker 4: and I was just reading about this. Apparently these guys

1942
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Speaker 4: who were not naming Voldemort may have breached consumer price

1943
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Speaker 4: laws because they didn't warn people about the dynamic ticket pricing,

1944
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Speaker 4: which you apparently have to do. Did you get a warning?

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Speaker 27: No warning whatsoever. And it's very clever what they do.

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Speaker 27: So you're in this queue and so I give us

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Speaker 27: five minutes and then I went running. I thought I'm

1948
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 27: not wasting my Saturday staring at a screen here and

1949
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Speaker 27: the numbers just ticking down every sixty seconds. It went

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Speaker 27: down by ten or twelve. I thought, three hundred thousandth

1951
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 27: in a queue.

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Speaker 2: This is just ridiculous.

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Speaker 27: So this dynamic pricing, there was no warning about it.

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Speaker 27: So say you did manage to get to the option

1955
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Speaker 27: of buying tickets, then suddenly you're confronted with this dynamic pricing. Oh,

1956
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 27: the one hundred and fifty dollars standing ticket. Dynamic pricing

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01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 27: means it's now seven hundred and fifty dollars, And of

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01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 27: course people panic and do you know people will have

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01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 27: been saying, oh my god, it's my only chance to

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Speaker 27: see them whack it on a credit card and pay

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Speaker 27: it off month by month.

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Speaker 2: It's outrageous what went on.

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Speaker 27: I'm really disappointed in Liam and Noel Gallagher, and I

1964
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Speaker 27: consider Nola friend. There's been no word from either of them,

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Speaker 27: and nothing worse, nothing annoys me more than seeing working

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Speaker 27: class people exploiting working class people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, sid, how is the government going to crack

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Speaker 4: down on mobile phone phone taps?

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Speaker 5: How do you do that?

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Speaker 27: So the police are saying they can't arrest their way

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Speaker 27: out of this epidemic, and it is now epidemic levels.

1972
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Speaker 27: I mean, I know so many people who go to

1973
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Speaker 27: work in London who on a weekly basis are having

1974
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Speaker 27: phones stolen. So you're seeing these guys in hoodies, mostly teenagers,

1975
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Speaker 27: and they're on these electric scooters. People are getting out

1976
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 27: their phone, they get lost, they're going on maps or whatever,

1977
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Speaker 27: and the phone is whipped out of your hand in seconds. Now,

1978
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Speaker 27: the stats that are out today on this are absolutely shocking.

1979
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Speaker 27: Eighty thousand thefts of mobile phones reported in a year

1980
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Speaker 27: almost and get this, less than one percent result in

1981
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Speaker 27: a police charge. So you can forget about your phone goals.

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Speaker 27: And I'm just going to tell you a little personal story.

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Speaker 27: Friend of mine last Saturday in Soho Saturday evening in London,

1984
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Speaker 27: three men came up to him, pulled a knife and

1985
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,719
Speaker 27: said hand over your phone. He had the phone open

1986
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Speaker 27: so they don't need the pin.

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Speaker 2: Code, and I said, well, what happened?

1988
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Speaker 27: Then he said, well, he said them very quickly money

1989
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Speaker 27: started going out with my bank account. They got into

1990
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 27: his bank account, they were spending on his cards. He

1991
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 27: had a crypto wallet. Now I don't even know what

1992
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 27: that is, but apparently there's a lot of money in there.

1993
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Speaker 27: They were trying to move his crypto and this all

1994
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 27: happened inside about thirty minutes of the initial theft and

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Speaker 27: that so basically it's extremely organized. But in answer to

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Speaker 27: your question, the UK government are going to call in

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Speaker 27: the tech companies and demand that they put some function

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01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,679
Speaker 27: to disable the phone so that it can't be sold

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Speaker 27: on afterwards.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean in the meantime, it feels like what

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01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 4: you should be avoiding is putting your credit cards or

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01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 4: your crypto wallets or in any of that kind of

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01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 4: stuff on your phone, right. It needs to be it

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01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 4: needs to be even if it's open, people can't give

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01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 4: you money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 27: And I think my young lad's just gone into London.

2009
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 27: It's the last day of the school holidays. He's sixteen

2010
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 27: and he's a big lad. He's six foot four. Him

2011
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 27: and his mate have gone into London today to go

2012
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 27: buy T shirts apparently. And the last thing I said

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Speaker 27: to him was do not take your phone out in public.

2014
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 27: It will go and that that's where we're at. That's

2015
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 27: where we're at. So and I'm more wary. I mean,

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01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,600
Speaker 27: I know so many people now it happens in a

2017
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Speaker 27: second I've heard of people going into fast food takeaways

2018
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Speaker 27: getting off of bus.

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Speaker 2: We're so accustomed to Where am I? I'm lost.

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Speaker 27: I don't know where this street is going on. I've

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01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 27: just had a text message. You get your phone out

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Speaker 27: and it is gone in less than seconds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point, Inda, thank you very much,

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Speaker 4: really appreciating about Into Brady, UK correspondent. I've got a

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01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 4: friend who's spending half the year in London at the

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Speaker 4: moment and is, you know, fabulously wealthy. And she was

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01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 4: saying to me that even in a nice pant town

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01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 4: like Mayfair and stuff like that, if she's wearing her

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01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 4: engagement or wedding ring, she turns it inside inside her

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01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 4: hand so all you can see from the outside is

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01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 4: just a gold band, and then the gigantic stone is

2032
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 4: sitting on the inside of her hands so that people

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01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 4: don't know because they'll just rip it off her finger.

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01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 4: Doesn't wear a watch outside, doesn't wear jewelry outside, has

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01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,719
Speaker 4: been warned by multiple people, multiple bounces, you know, the staff,

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01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 4: the security stuff sitting outside the hotels and stuff like that.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy how brazen these thefts are at the moment.

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01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 4: Over there nine away from seven.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's Macro, microbe or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

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Speaker 1: and my HR, the HR platform for SME used TALKSIP

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Speaker 1: six away from seven.

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Speaker 4: What about this email that came through just during the huddle,

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01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 4: Hither I listen to you every morning, love the show.

2045
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 4: Now morning You're like, why is that? Because Tom is

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01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 4: listening from Ireland. If it wasn't for your strange accents,

2047
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 4: you could swear you were listening to Irish radio. Have

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01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 4: all of the bullies, you have the cycle lanes, you

2049
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 4: have the GP's bills, you've got ticket Master being dicks,

2050
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 4: you've got government overspending, et cetera, et cetera. And then

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01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:08,839
Speaker 4: he asked for my email address, and I was like, absolutely,

2052
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 4: here you go. Why not if that's how easy it is,

2053
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,880
Speaker 4: he just charm me with something, give him an email address. Listen,

2054
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 4: this is bizarre. H After fifty years, this week, it

2055
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 4: sounds like authorities in Pennsylvania have finally solved a mystery

2056
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Speaker 4: of a guy who died in a cave in Appalachia.

2057
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 4: They didn't know who the sky was. The hikers found

2058
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 4: his body in nineteen seventy seven, and from nineteen seventy

2059
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 4: seven until now they did not know who he was,

2060
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 4: couldn't tell who he was from his appearance or his clothing,

2061
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 4: all the things he had in his bag. They took

2062
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Speaker 4: us dental info. They also took his fingerprints, and then

2063
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 4: they lost his dental info and they lost his fingerprints,

2064
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 4: so all they had left was this really hideous sketch

2065
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:49,439
Speaker 4: of him. Now that we know who he is, it

2066
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 4: actually like it was pretty good, pretty good sketch, but

2067
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 4: like it was just a sketch who was like some

2068
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 4: kid had drawn dude with long hair. Anyway, they couldn't

2069
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 4: figure it out this whole time, and they kept coming

2070
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 4: back to it now and again, and in twenty nineteen

2071
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 4: they even exhumed him to check his dental records again

2072
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 4: and it came to nothing. And then last month in August,

2073
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 4: a Pennsylvania state trooper discovered his fingerprint card. Like he

2074
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 4: was like, that's all make from the appalasia. So he

2075
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,160
Speaker 4: found the fingerprint card. This is the one they took

2076
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,560
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy seven and lost. He sent it to

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Speaker 4: the National Missing Person System and in fifty three minutes

2078
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Speaker 4: they figured out who it was in less than an hour.

2079
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Speaker 4: The guy is a guy called Nicholas Grubb, who was

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01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 4: only twenty seven years old, came from Pennsylvania, had been

2081
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Speaker 4: a member of the National Army, the Army National Guard

2082
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania in the early seventies. Me got himself. He'd

2083
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 4: had an incident with the cops a couple of years

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01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 4: before he died, which is why they had his fingerprint. Basically,

2085
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,560
Speaker 4: died of exposure, didn't have warm enough clothing, didn't have

2086
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 4: any camping gear or food. He tried to start a

2087
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 4: fire but it hadn't worked, so basically the snow came

2088
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 4: in and he died. But imagine being the person who

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01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 4: lost his fingerprint card in nineteen seventy seven and all that,

2090
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,560
Speaker 4: and that would have solved it. And whoever that guy is,

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01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 4: I kind of hope he's not around for the story today.

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Speaker 7: Ans believe by Share to play us out tonight. Apparently

2093
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,439
Speaker 7: Share is possibly going to be on the lineup for

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01:39:08,479 --> 01:39:12,599
Speaker 7: Glastonbury Festival next year. Blush, yeah, there you go. Well, yeah,

2095
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:14,840
Speaker 7: it'll be Apparently have a thing called the Legends slot,

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01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 7: which I would argue is maybe half the glaston Brie

2097
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,560
Speaker 7: line up most of the time. But Yeah, So the

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Speaker 7: Sun has apparently got this from a source that she

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01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 7: has had meaningful discussions and she might do one or

2100
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Speaker 7: two other UK shows while she's doing it. That would

2101
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Speaker 7: be her first shows in the UK since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: So you did another opportunity for Ticketmaster to put in

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Speaker 7: some dynamic pricing perhaps.

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Speaker 4: And ants would you go and see share?

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Speaker 7: Not in a million years.

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01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 4: But how good is the song?

2107
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 7: I look agree to disagree?

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01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 4: Here the pump it up ants? Here we go see tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Do you re you really.

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01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 15: Happy?

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Speaker 8: Something? Sir?

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Speaker 9: Really?

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Speaker 24: We relieve?

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Speaker 4: App feel something said?

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