1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: So what's going on invocational training back here of those 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: who enter less than half finished. Greg Durkin is the 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: bc IO director and as with. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Us, Greg morning, Yeah one in my k you very. 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. Penny Simmons says it's not blanket across 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: all industries. Is that true? 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I think the minister's numbers. She's talking 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: about apprenticeships across a wide range of industries. BCO we 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: look after fifteen construction industries and our completion rates, depending 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: on the industries range from around about seventy five percent 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: down to about sixty five percent. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Would you be happy with those numbers? 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that lock pay can always be better, 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: but I think that, like all all jobs, people who 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: start don't always finish. Construction's not for everyone, but it's 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who are entering our apprenticeships 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 2: and who are completing. We noticed around about COVID, and 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: it wasn't because of COVID that the numbers of withdrawals 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: were increasing. We did some research on that and yeah, 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: there was some We certainly found out a bunch of 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 2: things and that there was no single reason, no singular reason, 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: but at the cost of living and changes in the 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: economy certainly had a big part to play. 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: And when you say changes in the economy, there are 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: easier jobs elsewhere, do they then leave? Is that part 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: of the equation or during COVID, if they were going 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: to pay you us at home and do nothing you 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of like that. 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think yeah, if certainly the cost of living 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: has changed. You know, we had a boom of building 31 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 2: up until twenty three, twenty twenty three, and then a 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: significant drop since then, So that's had an impact on 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: the affordability of people to be able to stay in 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: their apprenticeship when they could go down the road and 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: maybe get a couple of dollars more in another role. 36 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: See could This is the thing that concerns me because 37 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: in a tight economy there are no jobs of people 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: going on. Jeez, maybe I'll be a builder or plumber 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. If you don't want to do it but 40 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: you're forced to do it, is that where the problem 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: is and we're just sort of butting heads on people 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: who just actually don't want to be there in the 43 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: first place. 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Oh No, I don't think that that's the case. I 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: think people, you know, the people who enter the construction 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: industry in the main are generally really interested in a 47 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: future in construction and it features bright. The challenge that 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: we've got, Mike is that, you know, the construction industry 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 2: is quiet at the moment, and employers are really struggling 50 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: and they're doing a really good job to try and 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: keep the apprentices that they've got. But we're going to 52 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, that's not going to last for ever. We're 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: going to see we will see it change in the 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: construction industry with increased demand. And if we're not training now, 55 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: then we're just going to end up with you and 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: I having another conversation about skill shore. Well. 57 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: I like you, Greg, and You're welcome on the program anytime, 58 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: but I'm sick of having conversations about supply chain issues 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: and pipeline issues in this country, not having attack together issues. 60 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: But I thank you for your time for now. Greg Durkin, 61 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: b c ITO Director, Some Problems. 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: Never go for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: live to news talks. 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.