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Speaker 1: Jason Wall's Newstalks it be political Leader to raps the

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Speaker 1: political week that was welcome back, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, have we got to the bottom of what

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Speaker 1: actually happened with that police memo? Was it that the

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Speaker 1: memo was wrong or was it simply that once it

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Speaker 1: became apparent two ministers and the top brass what the

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Speaker 1: memo said, they reversed it.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I think it might be a mix of the two.

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Speaker 2: I mean listening to the various people that have talked

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Speaker 2: about this, I mean Mark the Prime Minister essentially saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, it could have been clearer, and then we

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Speaker 2: had Mark Mitchell saying something as well. In terms of

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Speaker 2: what actually it was, it's a bit of a mystery

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Speaker 2: at this stage, but you can tell that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the pr response went into a bit of overdrive on

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Speaker 2: this one, because obviously Mark Mitchell must have seen the

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Speaker 2: story and same with the Prime Minister and thought, this

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Speaker 2: is not the message that we as a national government

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Speaker 2: want to be sending on law and order, and so,

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Speaker 2: I mean it just kind of shows sometimes the power

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Speaker 2: of government, how quickly can things can turn around. So

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Speaker 2: the next time someone tells you, oh, it's going to

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Speaker 2: take a couple of weeks to do this because the

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Speaker 2: machinery of government turns slowly to this, Heather and say,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I find this See I just am not at

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Speaker 1: all convinced that I just don't know what to think

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Speaker 1: about this, Jason, because it was on the Monday they

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Speaker 1: had a superintendent on the show with us, and that's

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Speaker 1: a very senior position, and this person had been given

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Speaker 1: to us by the police media team to basically explain

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Speaker 1: that the memo was right. And then the next day

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Speaker 1: we're being told by people higher up that the memo

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Speaker 1: was wrong. And so I just I feel like the

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Speaker 1: wall is being pulled, don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the whole time it was confusing here,

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Speaker 2: and I think anybody that was listening has the right

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit confused as to where this

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Speaker 2: kind of ended up.

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Speaker 1: So where I end up on this is in fact

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Speaker 1: that that memo was correct and that this is what

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Speaker 1: they are doing. But if they have the free like

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Speaker 1: if all the cops if you call in your theft

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Speaker 1: and it's two hundred and fifty dollars and all the

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Speaker 1: cops in Auckland are sitting around twddling their thumbs. Somebody

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Speaker 1: will come out, but the rest of the time, this

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Speaker 1: is actually what it's like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I'm assuming this has been an

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Speaker 2: unwritten rule for some time. It's just somebody actually wrote

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Speaker 2: it down and somebody You've tracked this down via an

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Speaker 2: official information at request, and then all hell broke loose.

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Speaker 2: So I think that it's sort of just it came

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Speaker 2: to maybe and again we have to read between the

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Speaker 2: lines here because it's been so wishy washy here. It

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Speaker 2: was written down, and they said, that's not what we

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Speaker 2: actually do. It was written down, but that's not our

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Speaker 2: practice or something around the sort of idea.

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Speaker 1: Now, I think that Winston Peter's ruling out Chippy is

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Speaker 1: more significant than people realize.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, well, I mean there is now

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Speaker 2: Winston words matter. Peter's kind of left himself some wiggle

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Speaker 2: room here, of course, because he can still go into

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Speaker 2: a coalition or any sort of post government agreement with

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Speaker 2: Labor as long as Chippy is or Chris Hipkins rather

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Speaker 2: is not in charge at the time, and it was

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Speaker 2: you know, and it's always Winston. He just leaves himself.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a lawyer. By practice, he leaves himself

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Speaker 2: this little bit of wiggle room, and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: he's kind of almost forcing a difficult conversation for Labor

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Speaker 2: Party MPs when they get closer to that election date

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Speaker 2: if they get to a point where they can win power,

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Speaker 2: but only if they side with New Zealand first and

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Speaker 2: decide to kick the likes of Tipati Marti to the

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Speaker 2: curb and say we're not actually going to work with you.

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Speaker 2: The MPs will be scratching their heads and saying, we'll

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Speaker 2: hang on a second. You know, we've got we could

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Speaker 2: get the knives out and be ministers soon. So it's

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Speaker 2: tactical by Winston, I think.

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think it puts a target on

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Speaker 1: Chippy's back. But in order for that, in order for

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Speaker 1: these guys to actually roll Chippy, I think they have

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Speaker 1: to understand that how much they need New Zealand first time.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that they realize that yet, do they.

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Speaker 2: It's well, they don't talk like that. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: very much sounds like and you know, when Winston was

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Speaker 2: in government and national with the opposition, there were some

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Speaker 2: among us that were saying they'll never work together. Look

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Speaker 2: at the way that they talk to each other. So

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Speaker 2: Winston can bury the hatchet, and I think that an

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Speaker 2: opposition MP wanting to be a minister will move heaven

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Speaker 2: and earth to bury a hatchet as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's have this conversation again in about a year's time

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Speaker 2: and see where we're sitting.

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Speaker 1: Eh, Yeah, fair enough, Hey, Jason, thank you has always

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