WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 176: How can the White Ferns return to winning? 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:15.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.373 --> 0:00:20.613 iHeart Radio. 0:00:20.813 --> 0:00:23.533 Take another pat now we'll get in. It's a trick. 0:00:24.173 --> 0:00:24.733 It is out. 0:00:25.053 --> 0:00:25.853 The test is over. 0:00:28.093 --> 0:00:30.853 Couldn't as smoke Wow us a beauty. It is out 0:00:31.733 --> 0:00:32.453 and hearing guys. 0:00:32.533 --> 0:00:35.053 This delivery has in the use of the Bold. 0:00:37.213 --> 0:00:40.573 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney 0:00:40.893 --> 0:00:45.413 powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.773 --> 0:00:51.053 Hello, welcome back to on the Front Foot the World 0:00:51.093 --> 0:00:56.133 Tea Quinsy goes as many expected to India in arguably 0:00:56.173 --> 0:00:59.133 the best game of the tournament. Our women's team suffer 0:00:59.213 --> 0:01:02.333 too heavy defeats at the hands of England. The English 0:01:02.533 --> 0:01:05.373 our poor. Yet another wiki keeper for the test series 0:01:05.413 --> 0:01:07.893 of the West Indies, a preview of what we can 0:01:07.933 --> 0:01:12.413 expect in December, and as I welcome well one special 0:01:12.453 --> 0:01:16.613 guest in Formanusi Kreta, Peter Holland and Jeremy Cony is 0:01:16.613 --> 0:01:20.973 a regular Inness program. I say, arguably the best game 0:01:21.053 --> 0:01:23.933 at the World T twenty Jerry, as it seemed to 0:01:23.973 --> 0:01:29.133 be pretty even in terms of pitch conditions and ground conditions. 0:01:29.333 --> 0:01:30.173 Did you see it that way. 0:01:30.733 --> 0:01:34.413 Yep, I think I did once. Good match, actually, wasn't it. 0:01:35.733 --> 0:01:38.253 India won the toss and their style was always to 0:01:38.333 --> 0:01:41.333 bat first, which I think is a good way, especially 0:01:41.413 --> 0:01:43.413 in large games. Were runs on the board and there 0:01:43.453 --> 0:01:47.853 was good enough runs to use their strong bowling attack. Yeah, 0:01:48.413 --> 0:01:53.533 their batting, they've changed their batting too. Rowat as captain 0:01:53.693 --> 0:01:58.013 seems to have got all them away from individual milestones, 0:01:58.013 --> 0:02:01.773 getting fifties, getting hundreds, that kind of thing, and instead 0:02:01.813 --> 0:02:06.213 he's put in place lots of cameos quite quick, you know, 0:02:06.453 --> 0:02:10.973 thirty or fifteen of twenty two and those kinds of things. 0:02:11.533 --> 0:02:12.653 And that happened again. 0:02:13.293 --> 0:02:16.533 He did it by showing his innings that he played 0:02:16.613 --> 0:02:19.253 himself leading up to the final where he didn't get 0:02:19.293 --> 0:02:24.133 so many runs and they lost three quick wickets, and 0:02:24.173 --> 0:02:27.053 then Coley had to make a decision, didn't he. He 0:02:28.333 --> 0:02:31.893 got started after a pretty poor ans and first over, 0:02:32.773 --> 0:02:35.373 and then he had to choose, am I going to 0:02:35.453 --> 0:02:39.533 bat through here and leave others to take the risks 0:02:39.533 --> 0:02:43.013 as they had all and all the other matches, or 0:02:43.053 --> 0:02:46.973 do I crack on and perhaps lose a fourth wicket myself? 0:02:47.893 --> 0:02:49.933 And in doing so he kind of became a bit 0:02:49.933 --> 0:02:52.573 of a hero, but he could also have been a villain, 0:02:52.613 --> 0:02:53.133 couldn't he? 0:02:53.853 --> 0:02:57.053 Yeah, most definitely, And welcome back to Peter Holland, who 0:02:57.133 --> 0:02:59.853 they weren't paying tea twenty cricket when you were around 0:02:59.853 --> 0:03:00.093 with it. 0:03:00.973 --> 0:03:02.773 They certainly were not in the game. 0:03:04.773 --> 0:03:08.093 What Jerry points out is it has changed as a 0:03:08.093 --> 0:03:10.933 bad game, and I think the conditions in the Caribbean 0:03:11.853 --> 0:03:14.573 demanded that, didn't it, in terms of how you put 0:03:14.573 --> 0:03:15.413 together your innings. 0:03:15.853 --> 0:03:20.293 My observation was, and perhaps this is where our teams 0:03:20.293 --> 0:03:24.013 and others weren't able to adapt coally adapted. Took a 0:03:24.093 --> 0:03:30.013 decision in very difficult circumstances Final World Cup, World Cup Final, 0:03:30.693 --> 0:03:33.453 and he made that decision and could adapt and got 0:03:33.493 --> 0:03:35.413 them and got them through, got them to a number, 0:03:35.693 --> 0:03:37.573 because it could have quite easily been the other way around. 0:03:37.973 --> 0:03:41.973 I'm thinking to myself that now that they have retired 0:03:42.853 --> 0:03:45.293 both O oh it and I think that the Dead 0:03:45.333 --> 0:03:48.533 Asian is also retiring from the twenty twenty. You know, 0:03:48.973 --> 0:03:52.573 you lose that, you lose that experience, and I'm wondering 0:03:53.013 --> 0:03:56.333 without those people at the Helm, how Wendy you will 0:03:56.333 --> 0:03:59.333 be talent, no question, but it's just that ability to 0:04:00.133 --> 0:04:03.933 shift gears or change direction. It was very, very impressive 0:04:04.053 --> 0:04:05.973 and put them in a position to win. 0:04:06.253 --> 0:04:09.253 Key point for me in the game, obviously the class 0:04:09.293 --> 0:04:13.493 and wicket losing that because he played that brilliant over 0:04:13.613 --> 0:04:17.533 against Akshapetel, didn't he where he got twenty four and 0:04:17.653 --> 0:04:20.933 that really put South Africa in with a chance of 0:04:21.013 --> 0:04:24.773 winning the game quite comfortably at that stage. But he 0:04:24.853 --> 0:04:27.213 lost his wicket and you're a bit lucky to get 0:04:27.213 --> 0:04:30.213 that slower ball from Pandia and it got an edge. 0:04:30.813 --> 0:04:33.653 Then it was thirty from thirty. But the catch of 0:04:33.733 --> 0:04:37.653 Surya Kumar is the other point, isn't it really? And 0:04:37.733 --> 0:04:39.413 I don't know what you thought. 0:04:41.773 --> 0:04:42.093 It was. 0:04:42.293 --> 0:04:46.253 Wasn't extraordinarily difficult catch. We see those catches kind of 0:04:46.293 --> 0:04:49.133 a lot nowadays round the boundary, But it was the 0:04:49.213 --> 0:04:50.453 context of the catch. 0:04:50.533 --> 0:04:50.773 For me. 0:04:51.373 --> 0:04:52.493 It was the last over. 0:04:53.133 --> 0:04:56.173 If that goes for six, then it's a big five 0:04:56.253 --> 0:04:59.773 balls coming up with ten required and it's getting tight 0:04:59.853 --> 0:05:03.093 with Miller on strike. And I thought the catch was 0:05:03.133 --> 0:05:07.093 about balance and about knowing where you were relative to 0:05:07.133 --> 0:05:09.533 the boundary, or that the toddler in this case, you know, 0:05:10.973 --> 0:05:14.333 the inside edge of the toddler owns the boundary and 0:05:14.413 --> 0:05:17.893 I just wondered, you know, we often grown about a 0:05:17.933 --> 0:05:20.973 tvump who goes over and over and over dismissals and 0:05:20.973 --> 0:05:23.733 looking at it from different angles, and when it's an 0:05:23.773 --> 0:05:26.853 obvious dismissal. But I just thought, kettlebur in this case, 0:05:27.813 --> 0:05:31.373 he could have taken another kind of look from another angle. 0:05:31.533 --> 0:05:34.693 I thought, a because it was a crucial wicket, it 0:05:34.853 --> 0:05:38.533 was class and it was sorry, it was miller. And secondly, 0:05:39.173 --> 0:05:43.813 because Siria Kumar seized nine and a half clogs, they 0:05:43.813 --> 0:05:49.213 were pretty close to that toddler own and he only 0:05:49.253 --> 0:05:53.813 has to touch it or ruffle it and it would 0:05:53.813 --> 0:05:56.933 have been not out. So I wondered whether another look 0:05:58.773 --> 0:06:00.333 would have been you know, would have been. 0:06:00.333 --> 0:06:04.853 Helpful, particularly given the circumstances. As you say, pretty much 0:06:04.853 --> 0:06:05.893 turned the game, didn't it. 0:06:06.693 --> 0:06:10.533 Yeah. The other situation too was that they at the 0:06:10.573 --> 0:06:15.213 eighteen overstage. India added forty two runs in eighteen, nineteen 0:06:15.253 --> 0:06:19.813 and twenty and that gave them the competitive score. South Africa, 0:06:20.013 --> 0:06:22.333 while they were going strong, were going well, but they 0:06:22.413 --> 0:06:26.133 could only score twenty two off the They're sorry, they 0:06:26.133 --> 0:06:29.373 could only score eighteen off the last three overs and 0:06:29.813 --> 0:06:32.213 they needed twenty two and that was the difference between 0:06:32.613 --> 0:06:33.893 the It's course at the end you can look at 0:06:33.893 --> 0:06:36.853 all sorts of instances, can't you, in these games and 0:06:37.333 --> 0:06:39.333 put a mark on them as the key point. But 0:06:39.813 --> 0:06:43.973 you know that catch, Yeah they practiced those these days, 0:06:44.013 --> 0:06:46.893 don't they They you know the fields out in the deep. 0:06:47.613 --> 0:06:48.453 Yeah, yeah they do. 0:06:49.133 --> 0:06:52.133 I mean what India where they were a bit different 0:06:52.173 --> 0:06:54.693 than other sides. I mean New Zealand tried to do this. 0:06:55.253 --> 0:07:00.053 They had two Boomera overs left, didn't they after the catch? 0:07:00.573 --> 0:07:03.893 And you know they like Williamson against the West End, 0:07:03.973 --> 0:07:07.253 he's tried to push the game out the one run, 0:07:07.653 --> 0:07:11.453 you know, raised run rate or two claim a wicket 0:07:11.493 --> 0:07:14.573 And India had bitter bowlers with Boomera and arsh Deep 0:07:15.213 --> 0:07:17.093 and then they used Pandia who was a bit hit 0:07:17.133 --> 0:07:19.373 and miss, but he got wickets because I reckon the 0:07:19.413 --> 0:07:22.973 South African saw that as being easier to score off 0:07:23.013 --> 0:07:26.293 than the other two. But Boomer was fantastic, wasn't he. 0:07:26.893 --> 0:07:27.333 You know. 0:07:29.013 --> 0:07:31.453 Some of the deliveries he bowled, getting that guy even 0:07:31.573 --> 0:07:35.693 right early on, getting Hendrix with a wonderful delivery that 0:07:35.893 --> 0:07:39.093 just was aiming at leg stump and then it straightens 0:07:39.173 --> 0:07:41.933 up and swings out slightly, hits the top of off 0:07:42.413 --> 0:07:45.453 and then getting Yunsen were just carrying on and hit 0:07:45.493 --> 0:07:48.693 the leg stump and then arshep. Wasn't that easy to hit? 0:07:48.773 --> 0:07:51.533 I didn't think so. Yeah, I thought they were the 0:07:51.573 --> 0:07:55.333 best side was actually in the tournament, never mind all 0:07:55.413 --> 0:07:58.853 the nonsense that they got around for every game they 0:07:58.893 --> 0:08:00.813 played was a day game. I thought ten thirty was 0:08:00.853 --> 0:08:03.613 a silly time to play a final, to be honest 0:08:04.173 --> 0:08:06.853 or whatever it was. You know, throughout the tournament as 0:08:06.893 --> 0:08:12.853 an audience, absolutely well you can understand the ICC doing that, 0:08:12.893 --> 0:08:15.093 can't you, Because then they can charge more for the 0:08:15.133 --> 0:08:19.133 broadcast and they can get more cash. I can get 0:08:19.173 --> 0:08:21.613 that and that also if it rains, you've still got 0:08:21.653 --> 0:08:24.973 time in the day. But I think T twenties for 0:08:25.013 --> 0:08:28.293 an audience, don't you. I mean, it's a format that's 0:08:28.333 --> 0:08:31.413 a televisual thing. It's night at nighttime's lights, it's a 0:08:31.453 --> 0:08:37.613 couple of drinks and a close match. Yeah, so anyway, 0:08:37.813 --> 0:08:40.573 that's those are That's what I thought about the final. 0:08:41.733 --> 0:08:45.373 Yeah, well, hear of the South Africans. I read an 0:08:45.413 --> 0:08:47.013 article that said, you know, they've got it, Where do 0:08:47.053 --> 0:08:49.733 they go to from here? They've failed to win these 0:08:49.733 --> 0:08:51.973 big tournaments but I don't think they need to reproach 0:08:52.013 --> 0:08:55.213 themselves in any way, do they. They They performed well, 0:08:55.213 --> 0:08:58.093 They were unbeaten up to the final, and they showed 0:08:58.093 --> 0:09:00.973 some consistency that we haven't seen in the past from them. 0:09:01.653 --> 0:09:05.333 I think that's undeniable. Will you go through that side? 0:09:05.413 --> 0:09:09.413 There a lot of talent in there, and they've got 0:09:09.693 --> 0:09:12.413 they've got the balance too, They've got some genuine quicks. 0:09:12.893 --> 0:09:17.853 They've got useful spinners, phenomenal middle order which can go, 0:09:18.333 --> 0:09:21.613 can change gears. Yeah, you got. You've got to say, well, 0:09:21.613 --> 0:09:24.693 this was pretty interesting for them, and and and I 0:09:24.773 --> 0:09:27.533 reckon on the face of it, they were that if 0:09:27.573 --> 0:09:30.333 India were the best in South Africa, the best two 0:09:30.333 --> 0:09:32.773 teams were in that final, no question about that. I 0:09:32.773 --> 0:09:35.613 think the future looks looks pretty pretty good for them 0:09:35.653 --> 0:09:40.053 if they can just hold that together. That was over impressive. Yeah, 0:09:40.133 --> 0:09:42.213 and I think there was quite a difference between them 0:09:42.213 --> 0:09:43.053 and everyone else. 0:09:44.333 --> 0:09:46.173 Yeah, showing out and the side. 0:09:47.373 --> 0:09:50.413 Like seeing a game in daylight and a beautiful ground 0:09:50.693 --> 0:09:54.493 in the middle of Barbados, it was rather spectacular. Maybe 0:09:54.493 --> 0:09:57.213 that's just me being somewhat of a blood eite and 0:09:57.453 --> 0:09:59.853 liking things sporting daylight. I don't know. 0:10:00.813 --> 0:10:02.573 Yeah, well we were able to do that because we 0:10:02.573 --> 0:10:04.613 were able to sit at home. They have morning tea 0:10:04.693 --> 0:10:08.493 or breakfast and or late lunch or late breakfast to 0:10:08.493 --> 0:10:12.053 to watch them, and that has advantages. 0:10:14.653 --> 0:10:16.013 You're eating a lot wattle. 0:10:18.253 --> 0:10:20.973 Well, I have to do something during the day, nothing 0:10:20.973 --> 0:10:23.293 else to do. I could go and play golf with 0:10:23.333 --> 0:10:24.733 Peter Holland I suppose couldn't. 0:10:24.733 --> 0:10:32.093 I tears two four, probably me. 0:10:34.253 --> 0:10:37.773 But the side that perhaps should be approaching themselves, Peter, 0:10:37.933 --> 0:10:42.613 is the New Zealand side. You know. I can accept 0:10:42.613 --> 0:10:45.053 the fact you're going to lose games. That happens in 0:10:45.093 --> 0:10:47.933 the game, but it's the manner with which they lost 0:10:47.973 --> 0:10:50.813 games and the way they played those games. To me, 0:10:51.173 --> 0:10:53.173 it looked as though we we just want to make 0:10:53.173 --> 0:10:54.893 them the numbers and take our paycheck. 0:10:54.893 --> 0:10:57.813 At the end of it all, I lost interest pretty quickly, frankly, 0:10:57.893 --> 0:11:02.733 because I just couldn't see. It seemed like a disjointed unit. 0:11:03.653 --> 0:11:06.173 On the face of it. There seemed to be a 0:11:06.253 --> 0:11:08.933 lack of lack of thought. It was interesting that that 0:11:08.933 --> 0:11:11.213 that India was preferred to bat first, but we preferred 0:11:11.213 --> 0:11:14.133 about second. There was players that there were players there 0:11:14.173 --> 0:11:18.373 that that that that hadn't played any cricket, the lack 0:11:18.413 --> 0:11:20.773 of preparation, It's all been gone over before, but it's 0:11:20.853 --> 0:11:24.053 just it was pretty woeful, wasn't it? 0:11:24.093 --> 0:11:24.373 Really? 0:11:24.973 --> 0:11:28.613 And I don't think they can say any more than that. Really, 0:11:29.573 --> 0:11:32.293 I think New Zealand's got a lot of thinking to 0:11:32.333 --> 0:11:37.133 do and direction, particularly around how they how they bring 0:11:37.213 --> 0:11:40.733 on new people because the older, the older guard, the 0:11:40.773 --> 0:11:44.173 world class players that we've had are leaving the room, 0:11:44.213 --> 0:11:44.813 so to speak. 0:11:45.173 --> 0:11:50.053 Yeah, well Bolt's gone, Sally's coming to the end, Williamson's 0:11:50.413 --> 0:11:52.733 going to be doing other things for a period of time, 0:11:52.853 --> 0:11:55.853 So it is time for a rethink, Jerry, isn't it. 0:11:56.173 --> 0:12:00.013 Yeah, We've been saying that for some time. It was 0:12:00.053 --> 0:12:02.293 a poor It was a poor tournament. All the players 0:12:02.413 --> 0:12:06.373 know that, and then will be We've said a review 0:12:06.973 --> 0:12:10.573 and I hope something from it. Really, they need to 0:12:10.573 --> 0:12:12.253 make some decisions. 0:12:12.373 --> 0:12:14.973 Yes, indeed, and I'm sure that they will be taking 0:12:14.973 --> 0:12:17.253 a time for reflection. I guess they need to make 0:12:17.293 --> 0:12:21.093 some decisions too about how women's team, the White Ferns. 0:12:21.733 --> 0:12:24.973 They haven't achieved much done their tour to England so far. 0:12:25.053 --> 0:12:27.173 They played three games, one of them was a warm 0:12:27.253 --> 0:12:31.213 up game. Two od eyes heavily beaten, unable to bet 0:12:31.253 --> 0:12:35.653 fifty overs. There were some individual performances for modest returns 0:12:36.133 --> 0:12:39.413 merely a curve. Acknowledged their plight after their second game 0:12:39.973 --> 0:12:40.933 in Worcester. 0:12:41.893 --> 0:12:44.693 We basically haven't got enough runs in both games. And 0:12:45.133 --> 0:12:47.213 the first one we obviously got off to a flyer 0:12:47.253 --> 0:12:49.053 and I thought it was a great wicket and outfield, 0:12:49.053 --> 0:12:52.613 and then today I thought they bowled extremely well, very accurate, 0:12:52.773 --> 0:12:55.573 and the wicket was a little bit slower. But I 0:12:55.693 --> 0:12:58.573 think we got to positions where we got partnerships and 0:12:58.613 --> 0:13:00.493 got in and did all the hard work and then 0:13:00.813 --> 0:13:04.333 obviously lost wickets and clumps, and you know, they're still 0:13:04.373 --> 0:13:06.413 one more game in the series, which is really important 0:13:06.453 --> 0:13:08.813 to us and we know of and a lot of 0:13:08.853 --> 0:13:11.973 work over our I guess leave and winter period to 0:13:12.013 --> 0:13:14.493 come over here and prepare, and it's you're still going 0:13:14.533 --> 0:13:16.213 to have the belief to keep backing mad and what 0:13:16.253 --> 0:13:20.053 you do well, and it's just doing those hard parts 0:13:20.093 --> 0:13:22.573 for longer and once we get ourselves in cashing in 0:13:22.733 --> 0:13:25.653 and then if we do bol second, giving the bowlers 0:13:25.653 --> 0:13:26.653 a bit more to defend. 0:13:26.933 --> 0:13:29.613 It was made a little bit tougher too by the 0:13:29.813 --> 0:13:32.213 exceptional bowling talents of Sophie Ecleston. 0:13:33.173 --> 0:13:36.173 Yeah, she's a world class bowler and she seems to 0:13:36.213 --> 0:13:39.693 pick up a lot of wickets, so another five wicket 0:13:39.733 --> 0:13:42.333 bag for her. And she's very good at what she does. 0:13:42.373 --> 0:13:46.173 She's extremely accurate and has great control over her deliveries, 0:13:46.253 --> 0:13:50.573 so she bowl extremely well. I mean, I think she's 0:13:50.653 --> 0:13:52.733 a real key for England. She's one of the best. 0:13:52.773 --> 0:13:55.133 She is the best bowler in the world, So how 0:13:55.173 --> 0:13:57.333 can we deny her wickets and keep her out of 0:13:57.373 --> 0:13:59.773 the game. But you also got to take your hat 0:13:59.813 --> 0:14:01.773 off and say say well bold. 0:14:01.573 --> 0:14:04.133 Also, so what can they take from the first two 0:14:04.213 --> 0:14:08.773 games to help prepare them for the third game against 0:14:08.813 --> 0:14:10.293 this very good England side. 0:14:10.453 --> 0:14:13.293 There's positives in both games to take from it. Obviously 0:14:13.373 --> 0:14:16.013 the first game, the way Georgia and Brooke played I 0:14:16.053 --> 0:14:18.693 thought was outstanding and that was really positive with the 0:14:18.733 --> 0:14:22.293 bat and today was I think a tougher wicker to 0:14:22.333 --> 0:14:25.893 slower outfield and I think people fought through some pretty 0:14:25.893 --> 0:14:29.493 hard moments in the game. I think Maddie was outstanding, 0:14:29.533 --> 0:14:31.573 like she struggled at the start, but then to kick 0:14:31.613 --> 0:14:33.773 on and not give a wicket away and build a 0:14:33.773 --> 0:14:36.813 partnership was awesome. And I think there's moments like that 0:14:36.893 --> 0:14:40.973 where kicking on from there is really important. And there's 0:14:40.973 --> 0:14:42.733 moments where we've done a lot of the hard work 0:14:42.773 --> 0:14:45.653 and got ourselves into good positions and then we get 0:14:45.693 --> 0:14:47.573 out And I think that's work on to just be 0:14:47.613 --> 0:14:50.373 a bit more relentless and ruthless and how we go 0:14:50.453 --> 0:14:54.973 about things. And everyone's got talent and skill and works 0:14:54.973 --> 0:14:57.573 bloody hard at what they do. So we've just got 0:14:57.613 --> 0:15:00.493 to have the confidence to turn up for the next ODI, 0:15:01.213 --> 0:15:03.533 play our best cricket for that, give ourselves a chance, 0:15:03.573 --> 0:15:05.053 and then we'll head into the t twenties. 0:15:05.773 --> 0:15:08.973 I really care. So what remedy for this team doing 0:15:08.973 --> 0:15:11.693 the same thing and expecting a different outcome isn't working? 0:15:12.293 --> 0:15:14.253 How do you remedy a situation like that? When a 0:15:14.293 --> 0:15:17.813 side is really struggling, they are looking second class against 0:15:18.053 --> 0:15:20.893 a world class England side. We've got some pretty useful players. 0:15:21.013 --> 0:15:21.613 How they better? 0:15:22.453 --> 0:15:25.493 Oh look, I mean I've just gone back and looked 0:15:25.493 --> 0:15:28.693 at the returns we're getting from our so called world 0:15:28.693 --> 0:15:31.733 class players, which you mean could is out undoubtedly that, 0:15:32.373 --> 0:15:37.093 But then you look at Sophie Devine sushi baks. Really 0:15:37.133 --> 0:15:40.453 we're not getting the output that say, the England teams 0:15:40.453 --> 0:15:43.213 are getting, and I just think that there's a class 0:15:43.253 --> 0:15:47.173 gap and the team's overall quite significant on the face 0:15:47.173 --> 0:15:49.173 of it. But I when I'm looking at the media 0:15:49.173 --> 0:15:52.413 occur in the last tens she hasn't got above fifty. 0:15:52.973 --> 0:15:56.093 Now that's pretty poor for someone of that ability that 0:15:56.213 --> 0:16:00.253 I look at people like Georgia Plummer. Frankly, her output 0:16:00.333 --> 0:16:05.693 is how can I say, pretty workful, and yet she's 0:16:05.813 --> 0:16:09.373 one of the shining lights so called. It has shades 0:16:09.413 --> 0:16:13.333 of the New Zealand men's team where our our world 0:16:13.333 --> 0:16:17.253 class players will formerly world class players like them, like 0:16:17.733 --> 0:16:21.973 Divine and Baits are on the on the decline and 0:16:22.013 --> 0:16:24.813 it doesn't seem to be that there's anything coming coming 0:16:24.853 --> 0:16:32.493 through with with any particular great signs of promise. I mean, 0:16:32.533 --> 0:16:35.333 there's some decent players, but they against this sort of 0:16:35.333 --> 0:16:38.653 class side, like like England. And I was really impressed 0:16:38.653 --> 0:16:40.813 by by them when you're watching them when they were 0:16:40.813 --> 0:16:46.253 here in New Zealand. That beautiful left arm spinner, Fabins, 0:16:46.773 --> 0:16:50.933 the keeper as a Jones, just beautiful man's and and 0:16:50.933 --> 0:16:55.253 and you know, just just absolutely phenomenal to watch. And 0:16:55.293 --> 0:16:57.413 then they're bad as this this New new players that 0:16:57.533 --> 0:17:02.253 may be you know, it gets a hundred, goes and 0:17:02.293 --> 0:17:05.373 gets a hundred. It seems to me that they play play. 0:17:06.213 --> 0:17:08.213 They play red ball cricket, don't they. So there was 0:17:08.213 --> 0:17:11.173 the then how to build innings, whereas I don't think 0:17:11.253 --> 0:17:13.893 I didn't see any of that, the ability to, like 0:17:14.053 --> 0:17:19.613 Kohley did, shift direction. Let's bat the fifty overs, let's 0:17:19.613 --> 0:17:22.653 do that, And that's been consistent watching them when they 0:17:22.693 --> 0:17:26.093 were here, playing against England in New Zealand, and clearly 0:17:26.213 --> 0:17:28.573 evident in the last couple of games over there. So 0:17:28.693 --> 0:17:30.893 there's some concerns, shall we. 0:17:30.893 --> 0:17:33.653 Say, you've got to be able to bet your fifty 0:17:33.653 --> 0:17:35.613 overs in these games, Jerry. I just wonder when you 0:17:35.653 --> 0:17:38.053 go on a tour like this. They've had a lot 0:17:38.133 --> 0:17:40.413 of net practice. They had one warm up game where 0:17:40.453 --> 0:17:42.973 everybody plays, you know how you have sort of sixteen 0:17:43.013 --> 0:17:46.053 and everybody has a bat in the bowl and then 0:17:46.093 --> 0:17:48.653 you have net practice. I just wonder whether they should 0:17:48.693 --> 0:17:52.773 be playing games and trying to bat fifty overs against 0:17:52.773 --> 0:17:57.813 the lesser sides as a build up for an international 0:17:57.893 --> 0:18:01.493 against England. Is net practice more important than match play? 0:18:02.253 --> 0:18:02.933 How do you see it? 0:18:03.973 --> 0:18:07.333 I'm not sure. Well, games are certainly. 0:18:08.733 --> 0:18:12.053 Are important onds because there's more pressure and when you're out, 0:18:12.093 --> 0:18:14.693 you're out. I don't I'm not a fan of too 0:18:14.773 --> 0:18:17.333 many of those sixteen versus sixteen. You can do it 0:18:17.333 --> 0:18:20.333 once or twice to give everyone a hit, but you 0:18:20.373 --> 0:18:22.613 can't let people go out and then come back in again, 0:18:22.733 --> 0:18:25.733 those those kinds of things to give them another innings. 0:18:27.373 --> 0:18:33.813 So games very important. Practice is important, all of it is, really. 0:18:34.213 --> 0:18:36.773 But these these figures are terrible, aren't they. 0:18:38.493 --> 0:18:39.093 I don't know. 0:18:39.133 --> 0:18:44.173 These are professional players, they are paid well, they'd train 0:18:45.133 --> 0:18:48.973 or have the opportunity to train every day. And we 0:18:49.013 --> 0:18:52.413 are afraid we are slipping, as Moose says, we're down 0:18:52.453 --> 0:18:54.453 behind Australia obviously. 0:18:54.053 --> 0:18:57.373 In England, India, India. 0:18:56.933 --> 0:18:59.733 They got six hundred the other day, six hundred in 0:18:59.773 --> 0:19:03.213 a Test match. So and they're playing Red Bull cricket 0:19:03.213 --> 0:19:06.773 against South Africa. We're mal heind South Africa now. Sri 0:19:06.853 --> 0:19:11.973 Lanka beat US last year. Look, I if these were 0:19:12.013 --> 0:19:15.373 T twenty games, I wouldn't feel so concerned. These are 0:19:15.413 --> 0:19:18.813 ODIs one fifty six and the T twenty matches. Okay, 0:19:19.253 --> 0:19:21.813 one forty one a bit light, which was their second 0:19:22.173 --> 0:19:25.813 total in the ODI. But it shows that we can't 0:19:25.853 --> 0:19:29.013 have much of a concept of fifty over cricket. And 0:19:29.093 --> 0:19:31.653 yet you look at Bates, who's had one hundred and 0:19:31.693 --> 0:19:37.453 sixty one ODIs per ameliacuse seventy two Divine, one hundred 0:19:37.453 --> 0:19:42.693 and forty five Green seventy one, row fifty six Halliday thirty. 0:19:43.013 --> 0:19:48.133 These are ODI matches that these players have played. Now 0:19:48.493 --> 0:19:51.573 to me, to be beaten by nine wickets and twenty 0:19:51.613 --> 0:19:55.413 eight overs remaining and eight wickets were twenty five point 0:19:55.453 --> 0:19:59.213 three overs remaining, I mean that's half the overs left 0:19:59.253 --> 0:20:03.933 in each game. I mean England's number five hasn't battered 0:20:04.933 --> 0:20:09.093 in two games. You know, I just wonder what their 0:20:09.133 --> 0:20:16.933 players are thinking. They must be muttering, you know, there's 0:20:16.973 --> 0:20:20.773 no challenge here. I wonder what the ECB are doing 0:20:20.933 --> 0:20:23.773 after three weeks. They've been there now in New Zealand 0:20:24.133 --> 0:20:27.493 three games, as you say, what and we're getting those results. 0:20:28.453 --> 0:20:31.373 I really it's hard to know. They've got two batting 0:20:31.453 --> 0:20:35.773 coaches over there, Dean Brownlee and Craig McMillan. They've got 0:20:35.813 --> 0:20:39.533 a coach from Luughborough who's the women's head coach Luughborough 0:20:39.893 --> 0:20:44.173 called Gareth Davis, and he's also the Worcestershire women's coach. 0:20:44.613 --> 0:20:47.613 He's also the assistant coach for the Birmingham Phoenix and 0:20:47.653 --> 0:20:51.213 the Hundred for the women, so he's an experienced coach. 0:20:51.573 --> 0:20:54.653 You can't really lay the blame that what's been tried 0:20:54.693 --> 0:20:59.093 to improve. They must be reeling those coaches. 0:21:00.293 --> 0:21:00.573 You know. 0:21:00.813 --> 0:21:03.093 And I think as a player, just my last comment 0:21:03.173 --> 0:21:07.413 would be every player on that team has to delve 0:21:07.533 --> 0:21:12.573 down into them and just what sort of person am I? 0:21:13.973 --> 0:21:15.613 You know? How badly do I want this? 0:21:17.213 --> 0:21:20.053 And there's no impoint in looking around the room and 0:21:20.973 --> 0:21:23.453 showing with your eyes it was your fault, wasn't mine. 0:21:24.453 --> 0:21:27.253 Everybody must sort of go into their own little shell. 0:21:27.373 --> 0:21:29.773 I can remember in nineteen seventy three my first tour 0:21:30.333 --> 0:21:32.293 and we were beaten. I was twelfth man. We were 0:21:32.333 --> 0:21:36.653 beaten by Australia badly and Congo. Our captain took us 0:21:36.693 --> 0:21:39.493 to Sydney for the second Test and he gave us 0:21:39.653 --> 0:21:44.133 five hours of fielding practice every day and then we 0:21:44.133 --> 0:21:46.053 took us to the nets where that's. 0:21:45.893 --> 0:21:46.333 Where we went. 0:21:46.413 --> 0:21:52.173 After five hours. We had a salad for lunch, short catchers, slipcatchers, 0:21:52.293 --> 0:21:56.293 high catches, flat catchers, backing up, throwing and then and 0:21:56.373 --> 0:21:58.613 then when you bruised hands and that sort of thing, 0:21:58.853 --> 0:22:01.693 then you went to the nets. Now that was his 0:22:01.813 --> 0:22:05.333 way of doing it. That was Congo. But really I 0:22:05.373 --> 0:22:10.813 think this team clearly behind the opposite well behind, and 0:22:10.853 --> 0:22:14.293 it shouldn't be too hard because of the gap to 0:22:14.373 --> 0:22:17.453 close it, to move up a bit. That's what we've 0:22:17.453 --> 0:22:20.693 got to see play fifty over cricket because that's their 0:22:20.733 --> 0:22:21.693 longest type. 0:22:22.253 --> 0:22:24.533 Peter, I think there's a message there for you and I. 0:22:24.573 --> 0:22:27.373 We should have eaten more salads because Congon and Caney 0:22:27.413 --> 0:22:30.413 were very slim and grim, weren't they, And we probably 0:22:30.413 --> 0:22:31.693