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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to on the Front Foot the World

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Speaker 2: Tea Quinsy goes as many expected to India in arguably

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Speaker 2: the best game of the tournament. Our women's team suffer

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Speaker 2: too heavy defeats at the hands of England. The English

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Speaker 2: our poor. Yet another wiki keeper for the test series

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Speaker 2: of the West Indies, a preview of what we can

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Speaker 2: expect in December, and as I welcome well one special

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Speaker 2: guest in Formanusi Kreta, Peter Holland and Jeremy Cony is

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Speaker 2: a regular Inness program. I say, arguably the best game

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Speaker 2: at the World T twenty Jerry, as it seemed to

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Speaker 2: be pretty even in terms of pitch conditions and ground conditions.

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Speaker 2: Did you see it that way.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think I did once. Good match, actually, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: India won the toss and their style was always to

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Speaker 3: was good enough runs to use their strong bowling attack. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: their batting, they've changed their batting too. Rowat as captain

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Speaker 3: seems to have got all them away from individual milestones,

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Speaker 4: And that happened again.

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Speaker 3: He did it by showing his innings that he played

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Speaker 3: then Coley had to make a decision, didn't he. He

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Speaker 3: And in doing so he kind of became a bit

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely, And welcome back to Peter Holland, who

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Speaker 2: they weren't paying tea twenty cricket when you were around

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Speaker 5: They certainly were not in the game.

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Speaker 2: What Jerry points out is it has changed as a

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Speaker 5: My observation was, and perhaps this is where our teams

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Speaker 5: decision in very difficult circumstances Final World Cup, World Cup Final,

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Speaker 5: and he made that decision and could adapt and got

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Speaker 3: Key point for me in the game, obviously the class

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Speaker 3: Wasn't extraordinarily difficult catch. We see those catches kind of

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Speaker 5: Helpful, particularly given the circumstances. As you say, pretty much

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Speaker 3: They had two Boomera overs left, didn't they after the catch?

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Speaker 3: Some of the deliveries he bowled, getting that guy even

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Speaker 3: I didn't think so. Yeah, I thought they were the

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Speaker 3: a silly time to play a final, to be honest

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Speaker 3: an audience, absolutely well you can understand the ICC doing that,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hear of the South Africans. I read an

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Speaker 2: They were unbeaten up to the final, and they showed

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Speaker 5: I think that's undeniable. Will you go through that side?

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Speaker 5: There a lot of talent in there, and they've got

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Speaker 5: this was pretty interesting for them, and and and I

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Speaker 5: teams were in that final, no question about that. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, showing out and the side.

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Speaker 5: Like seeing a game in daylight and a beautiful ground

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we were able to do that because we

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Speaker 4: You're eating a lot wattle.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to do something during the day, nothing

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Speaker 2: But the side that perhaps should be approaching themselves, Peter,

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Speaker 5: At the end of it all, I lost interest pretty quickly, frankly,

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Speaker 5: just it was pretty woeful, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 5: And I don't think they can say any more than that. Really,

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Speaker 5: I think New Zealand's got a lot of thinking to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well Bolt's gone, Sally's coming to the end, Williamson's

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Speaker 2: So it is time for a rethink, Jerry, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've been saying that for some time. It was

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Speaker 3: a poor It was a poor tournament. All the players

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and I'm sure that they will be taking

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Speaker 6: There's positives in both games to take from it. Obviously

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Speaker 2: I really care. So what remedy for this team doing

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Speaker 2: How they better?

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Speaker 5: Oh look, I mean I've just gone back and looked

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Speaker 5: I look at people like Georgia Plummer. Frankly, her output

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Speaker 5: it doesn't seem to be that there's anything coming coming

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Speaker 5: there's some decent players, but they against this sort of

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Speaker 5: may be you know, it gets a hundred, goes and

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Speaker 5: They play red ball cricket, don't they. So there was

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Speaker 5: do that, And that's been consistent watching them when they

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Speaker 2: Say, you've got to be able to bet your fifty

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Speaker 2: go on a tour like this. They've had a lot

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Speaker 2: How do you see it?

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Speaker 3: many of those sixteen versus sixteen. You can do it

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Speaker 3: So games very important. Practice is important, all of it is, really.

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Speaker 3: But these these figures are terrible, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: These are professional players, they are paid well, they'd train

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Speaker 4: In England, India, India.

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Speaker 3: They got six hundred the other day, six hundred in

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Speaker 3: These are ODI matches that these players have played. Now

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Speaker 3: after three weeks. They've been there now in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: I really it's hard to know. They've got two batting

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Speaker 3: You can't really lay the blame that what's been tried

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: And I think as a player, just my last comment

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Speaker 4: You know? How badly do I want this?

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Speaker 3: And there's no impoint in looking around the room and

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Speaker 3: Everybody must sort of go into their own little shell.

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Speaker 3: I can remember in nineteen seventy three my first tour

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Speaker 4: Where we went.

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Speaker 3: After five hours. We had a salad for lunch, short catchers, slipcatchers,

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Speaker 3: got to see play fifty over cricket because that's their

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Speaker 2: Peter, I think there's a message there for you and I.

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Speaker 2: We should have eaten more salads because Congon and Caney

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Speaker 5: I just wondered how Snippets could have possibly cut out

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Speaker 4: Jerry, Yeah, he might have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he might have paid someone snippet. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: and Snippet would have been on that.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 3: I know, we all, we all, we all felt it.

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Speaker 3: But the message came through very strongly. And it was

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Speaker 5: Can I just add something on that? And I was

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Speaker 5: where is their priority? I wonder? And the same would

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Speaker 5: no question? I think it's clear that from your points jury,

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Speaker 5: but perhaps the franket the pointers. If the ability is

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Speaker 5: just not there, no matter what you do, the results

436
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Speaker 5: are probably going to be the same. But batning fifty

437
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Speaker 5: of us would help, wouldn't it.

438
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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, that was challenge that the New Zealand the

439
00:24:32,813 --> 00:24:35,293
Speaker 2: side faces and New Zealand Cricket. They've got a few

440
00:24:35,573 --> 00:24:38,373
Speaker 2: reviews they're going to have to do after the World

441
00:24:38,373 --> 00:24:43,213
Speaker 2: T twenty and also the women's event. Hey, a sign

442
00:24:43,253 --> 00:24:45,293
Speaker 2: of what is going to come here later in the year.

443
00:24:45,733 --> 00:24:49,213
Speaker 2: England have gone for a new wicket keeper.

444
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Speaker 3: Now.

445
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Speaker 2: I was reading an article by a guy called Shield Berry,

446
00:24:51,613 --> 00:24:55,853
Speaker 2: who's one of the more respected journalists of cricket in England,

447
00:24:56,053 --> 00:25:00,213
Speaker 2: and he was basically talking about the wicket keepers that

448
00:25:00,253 --> 00:25:04,333
Speaker 2: they have to choose from best o folks, Salt Robinson

449
00:25:04,373 --> 00:25:06,813
Speaker 2: as a keeper over they've got two Robinson's and they're

450
00:25:06,813 --> 00:25:10,853
Speaker 2: both Allis James Rue and Jamie Smith. And they've gone

451
00:25:10,853 --> 00:25:12,973
Speaker 2: for a guy called Jamie Smith. Now I have never

452
00:25:13,013 --> 00:25:16,293
Speaker 2: heard of Jamie Smith Jeremy Kney, but you have because

453
00:25:16,893 --> 00:25:21,333
Speaker 2: you have worked at the Oval as a commentator and

454
00:25:21,413 --> 00:25:22,413
Speaker 2: he's a Surrey man.

455
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Speaker 3: He is, and he's a very powerful batsman wards as well.

456
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Speaker 3: So they are going for the bear Stow type player,

457
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Speaker 3: a batsman who keeps, and so they are forgetting the

458
00:25:37,453 --> 00:25:43,533
Speaker 3: Folks who keeps them bats because Folks also plays for Surrey.

459
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Speaker 4: Who keeps for Surrey in the red bull fixtures Folks.

460
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Speaker 3: Does, so Smith is not keeping when he plays for

461
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Speaker 3: Surrey when he's playing championship matches. He does when it's

462
00:25:55,933 --> 00:25:59,973
Speaker 3: white ball, but not for the red ball game. So

463
00:26:00,653 --> 00:26:06,973
Speaker 3: their priorities quite clearly is to bat first for the

464
00:26:07,053 --> 00:26:09,453
Speaker 3: keeper they need him to be and quickly. He's a

465
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Speaker 3: very attacking batsman too. Jamie Smith good player of course,

466
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Speaker 3: but but do you want to.

467
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Speaker 4: Keep her first? And that's that's the question.

468
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Speaker 3: So that's the way that the McCullum phases has chosen.

469
00:26:26,453 --> 00:26:31,333
Speaker 3: And perhaps not so much in wickets that are turning.

470
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's what they are going to

471
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Speaker 3: be having.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I've looked at these keepers, well four of

473
00:26:37,573 --> 00:26:42,733
Speaker 2: them anyway, assault Folks besto. To my mind, Folks is

474
00:26:43,773 --> 00:26:48,213
Speaker 2: arguably the best glove man, but that doesn't cut it

475
00:26:48,293 --> 00:26:51,693
Speaker 2: these days, so it seems when it comes to selection

476
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Speaker 2: and teams.

477
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Speaker 5: I read this with great interest because I mean I

478
00:26:55,253 --> 00:26:58,573
Speaker 5: Christa just always enjoyed watching folks keep. I mean, he's

479
00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:03,293
Speaker 5: a fabulous keeper, great glove man and frankly, you always

480
00:27:03,333 --> 00:27:05,933
Speaker 5: want those people because otherwise who take the important catches

481
00:27:06,053 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 5: and you know, when you drop one and it doesn't

482
00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:10,093
Speaker 5: quite work, we've got problems. He might be good better.

483
00:27:10,573 --> 00:27:14,133
Speaker 5: So I thought that was a very interesting decision. This

484
00:27:14,213 --> 00:27:16,733
Speaker 5: is a team clearly with an eye of the future,

485
00:27:17,053 --> 00:27:19,973
Speaker 5: and that being the ashes down the down the line

486
00:27:20,773 --> 00:27:24,893
Speaker 5: that dealing with with Robertson, who's who's a very very

487
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:28,693
Speaker 5: talented player bowl of that is, but clearly hasn't cut

488
00:27:28,693 --> 00:27:31,693
Speaker 5: it and doesn't have the support of his captain. So

489
00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:34,213
Speaker 5: this is a meldling of Okay, what do we need

490
00:27:34,253 --> 00:27:38,773
Speaker 5: to have to take on the Aussies in in in

491
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Speaker 5: the coming coming year. So I think this is all

492
00:27:42,813 --> 00:27:46,773
Speaker 5: about planning for the future and giving them somemselves some options.

493
00:27:48,053 --> 00:27:51,973
Speaker 2: Jerry, Jimmy Anderson's getting in the farewell. He's going to

494
00:27:51,973 --> 00:27:54,573
Speaker 2: be playing for one Test and then see you later, Jimmy,

495
00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:56,413
Speaker 2: and thanks very much. He's going to be the bowling

496
00:27:56,533 --> 00:28:00,333
Speaker 2: mentor for England now. But there's a lot of new

497
00:28:00,413 --> 00:28:03,333
Speaker 2: names there that you know are going to have to

498
00:28:04,253 --> 00:28:07,253
Speaker 2: take up the job of bowling. Mark would of course

499
00:28:07,253 --> 00:28:13,133
Speaker 2: from Chris Fokes. But Pennington Potts Atkinson as pace bowler

500
00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:15,573
Speaker 2: is little narn names, aren't they.

501
00:28:16,093 --> 00:28:19,373
Speaker 3: Yep, that's right. Just to go back to the batsman

502
00:28:19,493 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 3: very quickly. Bear Stow's out completely, isn't he? That should

503
00:28:22,893 --> 00:28:27,573
Speaker 3: be mentioned. Dan Lawrence is the extra batsman and otherwise

504
00:28:27,613 --> 00:28:30,293
Speaker 3: the top six are all the same. We've mentioned the

505
00:28:30,373 --> 00:28:33,813
Speaker 3: keeper Josh Tungue is injured and so it was Jamie

506
00:28:33,853 --> 00:28:36,973
Speaker 3: Overden for the bowling. This guy Pennington, you might not

507
00:28:37,013 --> 00:28:39,453
Speaker 3: have heard of him so much. He was in England

508
00:28:39,533 --> 00:28:43,413
Speaker 3: under twenty six foot four tall, fella blonde guy, and

509
00:28:43,453 --> 00:28:47,893
Speaker 3: he's now at Nottingham with Peter Moores, who's considered quite

510
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:50,613
Speaker 3: a good coach of younger players. He's twenty in his

511
00:28:50,693 --> 00:28:56,453
Speaker 3: early twenties Pennington and in particular Kevin Shine who was

512
00:28:56,453 --> 00:29:00,213
Speaker 3: the former ECB bowling coach, and he's changed his little

513
00:29:00,693 --> 00:29:03,973
Speaker 3: lead up in his bowling prior to releasing the ball

514
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,213
Speaker 3: a little bit. He isn't the pace of Atkinson, who's

515
00:29:07,253 --> 00:29:11,173
Speaker 3: also in that site, but he's fast enough about eighty

516
00:29:11,253 --> 00:29:14,013
Speaker 3: and the mid eighties, so he's one thirty six what

517
00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:19,213
Speaker 3: to one thirty eight. K's no room for Robinson, he's

518
00:29:19,253 --> 00:29:22,453
Speaker 3: not He's had a bad Test match recently in India.

519
00:29:22,733 --> 00:29:25,613
Speaker 3: They don't want him back. Pots is there, as you say,

520
00:29:25,613 --> 00:29:31,013
Speaker 3: and Wokes so yes, different They are embracing the change,

521
00:29:31,013 --> 00:29:34,413
Speaker 3: aren't they. We've just been saying New Zealand sort of

522
00:29:34,453 --> 00:29:38,413
Speaker 3: hanging on with their bowlers at the time when perhaps

523
00:29:38,453 --> 00:29:40,293
Speaker 3: we need to slide them in and I think we'll

524
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:43,853
Speaker 3: see them coming. But yeah, there are some changes there,

525
00:29:43,853 --> 00:29:46,533
Speaker 3: no doubt. And Basher is the spinner. That's an interesting

526
00:29:46,573 --> 00:29:50,613
Speaker 3: one too, ahead of Leech because both of them play

527
00:29:50,653 --> 00:29:53,813
Speaker 3: for Somerset and the club has kept Leech as their

528
00:29:53,893 --> 00:29:58,853
Speaker 3: number one bowler and sent Basher on loan to another county.

529
00:29:59,213 --> 00:30:03,453
Speaker 3: So they, like all, a man who spins it gets

530
00:30:03,493 --> 00:30:05,533
Speaker 3: it to drop a little bit. And what Moose was

531
00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:08,293
Speaker 3: saying there about the Aussies on Ossie pictures, he might

532
00:30:08,493 --> 00:30:11,133
Speaker 3: get a bit more bounce and they can go in

533
00:30:11,253 --> 00:30:14,453
Speaker 3: with four seamers and one spinner a little bit like

534
00:30:14,453 --> 00:30:15,933
Speaker 3: the Aussies do with Lyon.

535
00:30:17,253 --> 00:30:19,053
Speaker 4: But they really lack a left.

536
00:30:18,933 --> 00:30:23,173
Speaker 3: Arm quick like us, you know, to change an angle

537
00:30:23,213 --> 00:30:23,693
Speaker 3: as well.

538
00:30:24,613 --> 00:30:29,173
Speaker 5: Yeah, just on robertson material and Wads, I saw here

539
00:30:29,773 --> 00:30:33,973
Speaker 5: that he has seventy six Test wickets from twenty games

540
00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:38,133
Speaker 5: at twenty two point ninety two. Yeah, pretty, Ollie Robinson.

541
00:30:38,173 --> 00:30:40,933
Speaker 5: I mean the guy's are talent. And then I read

542
00:30:41,053 --> 00:30:43,493
Speaker 5: down that when he was went to India he was

543
00:30:43,533 --> 00:30:49,413
Speaker 5: accompanied by his new partner, a social media influencer. He

544
00:30:49,533 --> 00:30:54,853
Speaker 5: launched a post while in India. So yes, that didn't

545
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:55,733
Speaker 5: go well, did it.

546
00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:01,813
Speaker 2: And he has a fitness problem too, doesn't He tends

547
00:31:01,853 --> 00:31:03,173
Speaker 2: to like to eat and.

548
00:31:03,173 --> 00:31:06,893
Speaker 5: Correct correctly deliver the You just sort of think that's

549
00:31:06,893 --> 00:31:07,533
Speaker 5: a great shame.

550
00:31:07,773 --> 00:31:10,453
Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting series to see England

551
00:31:10,813 --> 00:31:13,093
Speaker 2: because it is a new look side and you bring

552
00:31:13,093 --> 00:31:15,173
Speaker 2: in bowlers like that, and New Zealand are going to

553
00:31:15,213 --> 00:31:17,053
Speaker 2: have to do that, aren't they. Because they've lost Wagon,

554
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:20,093
Speaker 2: they've lost Bolt, they've lost or losing Southy. Surely you

555
00:31:20,093 --> 00:31:21,933
Speaker 2: know he's not going to get around forever and we're

556
00:31:21,933 --> 00:31:23,853
Speaker 2: going to have to look at the likes of O'Rourke

557
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:31,893
Speaker 2: and those players Sears. So hopefully they've got Jamison back

558
00:31:32,053 --> 00:31:34,973
Speaker 2: fit and ready to go and that will be the

559
00:31:34,973 --> 00:31:36,693
Speaker 2: start of a new but it will be a new

560
00:31:36,733 --> 00:31:39,413
Speaker 2: bowling attack for New Zealand, won't it. They You know

561
00:31:39,453 --> 00:31:42,013
Speaker 2: the four they've relied on and have done bloody well.

562
00:31:42,173 --> 00:31:45,413
Speaker 2: You know when you think about the the work they've done.

563
00:31:45,453 --> 00:31:49,013
Speaker 2: They'll have Matt Henry back there as well with them.

564
00:31:49,493 --> 00:31:52,093
Speaker 2: But you know there's a there's a bit of Test

565
00:31:52,093 --> 00:31:54,693
Speaker 2: match cricket coming up for this New Zealand side. They've

566
00:31:54,733 --> 00:32:00,493
Speaker 2: got one against Afghanistan, we've got three against India and

567
00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:04,933
Speaker 2: three home here against England, so you know that's a

568
00:32:05,013 --> 00:32:09,093
Speaker 2: real challenging situation for New Zealand as well.

569
00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:14,093
Speaker 4: Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the Front Foot True.

570
00:32:13,893 --> 00:32:16,693
Speaker 2: To the Spirit of Cricket, A biography of Don Neely

571
00:32:16,733 --> 00:32:21,493
Speaker 2: by Bill Francis his nineteenth book and it's an enjoyable

572
00:32:21,493 --> 00:32:25,853
Speaker 2: addition to the Cricket Library, launched this week at Neely's

573
00:32:25,893 --> 00:32:29,813
Speaker 2: favored ground at the Basin Reserve, where of course there's

574
00:32:30,173 --> 00:32:33,653
Speaker 2: the Don Neely scoreboard. Bill Francis has written a number

575
00:32:33,653 --> 00:32:36,613
Speaker 2: of books about former Black capspev and Congdon Mark Burgess,

576
00:32:36,653 --> 00:32:40,853
Speaker 2: Bruce Taylor, Barry Sinclair and Juwey Dempster, to name a few,

577
00:32:41,773 --> 00:32:45,133
Speaker 2: and we gathered at a launch this week where a

578
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:48,333
Speaker 2: number of players post to Neelie over the years, like

579
00:32:48,733 --> 00:32:51,853
Speaker 2: Bruce Edgar attended a family friend of the Neely since

580
00:32:51,853 --> 00:32:53,213
Speaker 2: his primary school days.

581
00:32:53,813 --> 00:32:56,373
Speaker 7: It was over at Colberni Park and there was do

582
00:32:56,533 --> 00:33:01,013
Speaker 7: O and Barry Sinkley together and I remember them so vividly,

583
00:33:01,053 --> 00:33:05,853
Speaker 7: and I always track back to watching them play and

584
00:33:05,893 --> 00:33:10,053
Speaker 7: how they went about their business and thinking, hmm, I'm

585
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:14,053
Speaker 7: learning just watching them, learning, just watching them.

586
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,573
Speaker 2: What did Doo teach you? What did he reveal to

587
00:33:17,613 --> 00:33:20,013
Speaker 2: you in terms of your game and your abilities?

588
00:33:21,853 --> 00:33:24,853
Speaker 7: I was lucky to be mentored by him and coached

589
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Speaker 7: by him.

590
00:33:25,213 --> 00:33:25,373
Speaker 5: You know.

591
00:33:26,293 --> 00:33:28,533
Speaker 7: I'd look back over the years and say who actually

592
00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:30,893
Speaker 7: coached you? And I'd say Don, because we never had

593
00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:33,173
Speaker 7: four more coaches in those days like you do today.

594
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Speaker 7: And I'd look back and say, Don was one of

595
00:33:36,533 --> 00:33:40,133
Speaker 7: my coaches for sure. And one of the things that

596
00:33:40,213 --> 00:33:42,813
Speaker 7: we used to talk about was how could we do

597
00:33:42,853 --> 00:33:48,493
Speaker 7: things differently, like a man with incredible values innovation, how

598
00:33:48,533 --> 00:33:51,373
Speaker 7: can we do things differently and how can we actually

599
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:55,533
Speaker 7: outsmart the opposition? And if you look at his tenure

600
00:33:55,613 --> 00:34:00,093
Speaker 7: as a selector when I was playing, I started in

601
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:03,973
Speaker 7: seventy eight for Museum. He was down here selecting for

602
00:34:04,053 --> 00:34:08,533
Speaker 7: Wellington in the late seventies and then moved to the

603
00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:11,853
Speaker 7: New Zealand team, I think around seventy nine, So seeing

604
00:34:11,853 --> 00:34:13,893
Speaker 7: Don what he did for Wellings and then moving on

605
00:34:13,973 --> 00:34:17,653
Speaker 7: to seeing what he did for the black Caps and

606
00:34:17,733 --> 00:34:19,013
Speaker 7: being involved with him.

607
00:34:19,293 --> 00:34:20,373
Speaker 2: And I always.

608
00:34:20,093 --> 00:34:23,133
Speaker 7: Vividly remember on the old classical hand lines, the phone

609
00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:29,973
Speaker 7: would ring. I'll pick it up, Bruce, Don I go,

610
00:34:30,053 --> 00:34:32,373
Speaker 7: here we go if this is going to be an

611
00:34:32,413 --> 00:34:36,373
Speaker 7: hour's conversation. And it was often on a Sunday night,

612
00:34:36,493 --> 00:34:39,573
Speaker 7: quite late on Sunday night, and we would talk and

613
00:34:39,613 --> 00:34:43,253
Speaker 7: we would talk about, you know, playing, how you're getting on.

614
00:34:43,333 --> 00:34:45,773
Speaker 7: He would check in what have you lad, what have

615
00:34:45,813 --> 00:34:49,733
Speaker 7: you been doing? And then he'd come up to you'd say,

616
00:34:49,733 --> 00:34:51,853
Speaker 7: you're going up to Newtown Park tore doing some running,

617
00:34:52,653 --> 00:34:56,093
Speaker 7: heavy ball, throwing weights with Hugh Lawrence. You know, how

618
00:34:56,093 --> 00:34:58,453
Speaker 7: are you going to get fitter, faster, stronger, and how

619
00:34:58,453 --> 00:35:00,573
Speaker 7: are you going to throw the ball faster?

620
00:35:01,453 --> 00:35:04,653
Speaker 4: So it was always connected. And then the other thing

621
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:05,253
Speaker 4: about Don.

622
00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:09,853
Speaker 7: We're playing at Eden Parking, Australia in ninety eighty two

623
00:35:10,893 --> 00:35:12,733
Speaker 7: and I bat it for a while. It might have

624
00:35:12,773 --> 00:35:17,373
Speaker 7: been about three days, maybe put ether people watching, But anyway,

625
00:35:17,413 --> 00:35:19,893
Speaker 7: that's another story. How did you get I got one

626
00:35:19,933 --> 00:35:23,293
Speaker 7: hundred and sixty? Oh yeah, So it was. It wasn't

627
00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:25,213
Speaker 7: a slow fifty. It might have been a slow one

628
00:35:25,293 --> 00:35:28,813
Speaker 7: hundred and fifty. But Don Wood he would always come

629
00:35:28,853 --> 00:35:31,933
Speaker 7: in at each break and sit with me and just

630
00:35:32,053 --> 00:35:33,693
Speaker 7: chat and we'd have a cup of tea. In those days,

631
00:35:33,693 --> 00:35:34,813
Speaker 7: you had a cup of tea. You know, it was

632
00:35:34,893 --> 00:35:38,133
Speaker 7: not nothing, no power aid like you get today. We're

633
00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:39,533
Speaker 7: sit there and have a cup of tea and he

634
00:35:40,093 --> 00:35:42,893
Speaker 7: just check in at each break. So there was lots

635
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:44,973
Speaker 7: of There was lunch breaks, there was an afternoon tea breaks,

636
00:35:45,013 --> 00:35:48,173
Speaker 7: and then there was the next morning another another lunch break.

637
00:35:48,173 --> 00:35:50,453
Speaker 7: But Don would be there and he would just sidle

638
00:35:50,573 --> 00:35:52,733
Speaker 7: up next to me and just check him see how

639
00:35:52,773 --> 00:35:55,973
Speaker 7: you go. He was so reassuring, and he would say, look,

640
00:35:56,693 --> 00:36:00,933
Speaker 7: you're seeing the ball, well you're concentrating, well, focus, keep

641
00:36:00,973 --> 00:36:03,893
Speaker 7: going and that's well, what do you expect from a guys?

642
00:36:03,933 --> 00:36:07,133
Speaker 7: Just that give you that conference? And someone said to me,

643
00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:11,293
Speaker 7: I was going back a few years. If there was

644
00:36:11,333 --> 00:36:12,853
Speaker 7: someone that you would like to be, who would you

645
00:36:12,933 --> 00:36:17,533
Speaker 7: like to be? And I said Don Nearly And they

646
00:36:17,573 --> 00:36:21,053
Speaker 7: said why And I said, what he stands for in cricket,

647
00:36:21,573 --> 00:36:23,013
Speaker 7: what he absolutely stands for.

648
00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:28,133
Speaker 2: Richard Reid, son of j R. And imaginatively nicknamed Rido

649
00:36:28,853 --> 00:36:32,293
Speaker 2: by his friends. Has some fond memories of do O.

650
00:36:32,693 --> 00:36:34,773
Speaker 8: Well, he's the only person I ever knew who had

651
00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:44,013
Speaker 8: whites designed by Rembrandt toorally elegant, never here out of place.

652
00:36:45,533 --> 00:36:48,973
Speaker 8: I remember he when I first started playing club cricket,

653
00:36:49,053 --> 00:36:53,333
Speaker 8: must have been mid late seventies. Do came back and

654
00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:57,173
Speaker 8: was fillin and for Colbernie, and he was awful by then.

655
00:36:57,693 --> 00:36:58,613
Speaker 5: He was, you know, he was.

656
00:36:59,813 --> 00:37:03,213
Speaker 8: He managed to make batting for a very elegant man.

657
00:37:03,253 --> 00:37:03,893
Speaker 8: He managed to.

658
00:37:03,853 --> 00:37:05,733
Speaker 4: Make batting reasonably ugly.

659
00:37:07,413 --> 00:37:09,213
Speaker 8: But in those days was I don't know I had,

660
00:37:09,293 --> 00:37:12,733
Speaker 8: and he must have been in his early forties, and

661
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:16,213
Speaker 8: he would you you remember those tea towels that used

662
00:37:16,213 --> 00:37:19,093
Speaker 8: to be a be around, and they had things like

663
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,613
Speaker 8: the draw shot, you know, with those curved bats.

664
00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:25,253
Speaker 5: And I was at keeping for some reason, and do

665
00:37:25,413 --> 00:37:27,173
Speaker 5: O wasu hopeless.

666
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:30,213
Speaker 8: And I remember saying to him, I said, when did

667
00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:32,093
Speaker 8: earth did you learn to play that shot off a

668
00:37:32,213 --> 00:37:36,493
Speaker 8: tea towel? And he just about wheezed himself at the crease,

669
00:37:36,573 --> 00:37:40,053
Speaker 8: which was possible. But one of the one of the

670
00:37:40,093 --> 00:37:43,093
Speaker 8: things I always remember about do because it's been miss

671
00:37:43,253 --> 00:37:47,773
Speaker 8: it's been just glossed over just briefly in this setting

672
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:51,493
Speaker 8: is that he lived in Auckland for a while, so

673
00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:53,013
Speaker 8: it was a little known fact pat in it.

674
00:37:53,573 --> 00:37:56,613
Speaker 5: And he played for north Shore, which was my club.

675
00:37:56,413 --> 00:37:59,173
Speaker 8: When I lived in Auckland. And in nineteen eighty eight,

676
00:37:59,413 --> 00:38:02,973
Speaker 8: March nineteen eighty eight, this is before cell phones, remember,

677
00:38:03,253 --> 00:38:06,893
Speaker 8: no such thing as fax machines yet, and we had

678
00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:10,613
Speaker 8: just won the championship on the last day and I

679
00:38:10,773 --> 00:38:15,413
Speaker 8: rushed home to get changed and probably get some money

680
00:38:15,413 --> 00:38:16,133
Speaker 8: and to go.

681
00:38:16,053 --> 00:38:16,893
Speaker 5: Out to celebrate.

682
00:38:16,933 --> 00:38:20,733
Speaker 8: The phone ring it was do O and I thought,

683
00:38:21,213 --> 00:38:23,453
Speaker 8: it's so nice of you to ring Deo because if

684
00:38:23,493 --> 00:38:28,413
Speaker 8: you congratulate on winning, on winning the championship, it's.

685
00:38:28,213 --> 00:38:31,213
Speaker 5: Just fantastic, so thoughtful. He said, I'm.

686
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:32,693
Speaker 8: Ringing to tell you need to be in theneed and

687
00:38:32,733 --> 00:38:38,933
Speaker 8: on Tuesday you're playing against England. Okay, we shouldn't stop

688
00:38:38,933 --> 00:38:40,253
Speaker 8: me going out on the seturday.

689
00:38:39,933 --> 00:38:46,253
Speaker 2: Night and John mister Morrison shared his memories as well. Yeah, yeah, no,

690
00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:46,693
Speaker 2: do O.

691
00:38:47,293 --> 00:38:47,493
Speaker 6: Yeah.

692
00:38:47,533 --> 00:38:51,053
Speaker 9: He was captain when I first came out of school

693
00:38:51,133 --> 00:38:55,373
Speaker 9: to the Lincoln and he gave me a hard time. Actually,

694
00:38:55,413 --> 00:38:58,013
Speaker 9: he said, how the hell do you ever get anyone out?

695
00:38:58,333 --> 00:39:00,573
Speaker 9: I said, well, it's like taking candy from a baby,

696
00:39:00,653 --> 00:39:03,133
Speaker 9: do you. And he said, you don't do anything with

697
00:39:03,293 --> 00:39:06,213
Speaker 9: the balls, said, that's why they get out.

698
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:08,853
Speaker 2: They think I'm going to.

699
00:39:10,733 --> 00:39:15,093
Speaker 9: Anyway, he took the piss constantly at practice here. We

700
00:39:15,253 --> 00:39:17,493
Speaker 9: used to go over to the Rows and Crown for

701
00:39:17,533 --> 00:39:21,373
Speaker 9: a drink afterwards, which probably spoiled everything we've done over here.

702
00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:27,573
Speaker 9: And finally he was caught. He said, you're a mystery

703
00:39:27,573 --> 00:39:30,453
Speaker 9: bloody bowler. And he said, I don't know how you

704
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:34,693
Speaker 9: get a wicket anyway. I said, well, let's put ten

705
00:39:34,733 --> 00:39:37,813
Speaker 9: bucks in the middle of the table. Whoever gets the

706
00:39:37,853 --> 00:39:41,413
Speaker 9: most wickets on Club Creek in Club Cricket on Saturday

707
00:39:42,053 --> 00:39:46,373
Speaker 9: takes the polls. And I think the bill's written about this,

708
00:39:46,453 --> 00:39:47,693
Speaker 9: and you want to have to buy the book to

709
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:51,453
Speaker 9: find out the answer. Anyway, I got four for none.

710
00:39:52,453 --> 00:39:54,413
Speaker 9: It's like taking care of Crawy.

711
00:39:54,453 --> 00:39:55,173
Speaker 2: Of course.

712
00:39:57,853 --> 00:40:01,333
Speaker 9: We did have an easy game, but most of them

713
00:40:01,333 --> 00:40:03,773
Speaker 9: were caught on the boundary. But four of us four

714
00:40:03,773 --> 00:40:06,253
Speaker 9: wickets for no runs. And of course I was a

715
00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:09,053
Speaker 9: pain in the ars of practice on Tuesday. Thank you

716
00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:11,693
Speaker 9: lines one, Thank you ball boys, Thank you do o,

717
00:40:11,893 --> 00:40:15,173
Speaker 9: he said, John, believe it. I mean he made some

718
00:40:15,293 --> 00:40:18,493
Speaker 9: mistakes as a selector, because I got jumped a couple

719
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:23,293
Speaker 9: of times to disgrace. Yeah, just when I was on

720
00:40:23,413 --> 00:40:27,093
Speaker 9: form as well, I said to do none. I know

721
00:40:27,453 --> 00:40:29,453
Speaker 9: I was bowling me. I didn't even get a bowl

722
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:32,373
Speaker 9: when do Over was catching. And of course so that

723
00:40:32,533 --> 00:40:36,933
Speaker 9: when Bruceie got one hundred and sixty, no one mentions

724
00:40:36,933 --> 00:40:39,653
Speaker 9: that I bowled thirty five overs in a row won

725
00:40:39,693 --> 00:40:43,253
Speaker 9: the bloody game for us, he gets all the credit.

726
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:49,253
Speaker 2: John Morrison full of laughs as ever, thirty five overs,

727
00:40:49,293 --> 00:40:54,333
Speaker 2: he claimed. I thought, well, who would bowl Morrison thirty

728
00:40:54,373 --> 00:40:54,973
Speaker 2: five overs?

729
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:55,293
Speaker 5: Jerry?

730
00:40:55,573 --> 00:40:57,053
Speaker 2: Then I looked up the score and he did. He

731
00:40:57,133 --> 00:40:59,493
Speaker 2: bowled thirty five overs and got two wickets.

732
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:01,653
Speaker 3: He obviously put a lot of effort and didn't he

733
00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:05,093
Speaker 3: because he still remembers it today.

734
00:41:05,493 --> 00:41:05,733
Speaker 6: I do.

735
00:41:07,053 --> 00:41:09,253
Speaker 3: I was playing that match and I do remember him.

736
00:41:09,253 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 3: And he got a couple of wickets too. I think

737
00:41:10,973 --> 00:41:12,693
Speaker 3: he got one over the top of the keeper and

738
00:41:12,853 --> 00:41:16,213
Speaker 3: was caught by a sort of a short long stop.

739
00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:20,093
Speaker 4: Really, but he was he could, he could do a job.

740
00:41:20,293 --> 00:41:23,013
Speaker 3: He was a nice and tidy line and the picture

741
00:41:23,053 --> 00:41:25,493
Speaker 3: was just holding up a bit. So yeah, No, mystery

742
00:41:25,573 --> 00:41:29,213
Speaker 3: was always good fun, really good team man, especially when

743
00:41:29,253 --> 00:41:30,093
Speaker 3: times were a bit hard.

744
00:41:30,773 --> 00:41:34,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, like you very close to d o'neally.

745
00:41:34,213 --> 00:41:37,773
Speaker 2: I mean he had he had a lot of good

746
00:41:38,093 --> 00:41:40,333
Speaker 2: mates who spent a lot of time talking crickly. Of

747
00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:42,173
Speaker 2: course you used to stay with him when you came

748
00:41:42,213 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 2: to Wellington for test matches.

749
00:41:45,293 --> 00:41:48,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, lovely man, love you know, he and Patty an

750
00:41:49,693 --> 00:41:51,653
Speaker 3: terrific people to go and start with. I was very

751
00:41:51,733 --> 00:41:57,453
Speaker 3: lucky and enjoyed, always enjoyed Don's He had a gentle humor,

752
00:41:58,653 --> 00:42:02,893
Speaker 3: loved talking obviously about cricket. Just a cricket man through

753
00:42:02,933 --> 00:42:05,373
Speaker 3: and through. You know, you think of that. I don't

754
00:42:05,373 --> 00:42:08,973
Speaker 3: know if I go for a month, I always looking

755
00:42:09,093 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 3: up and diving into men in white. What a Bible

756
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:14,413
Speaker 3: letters for all of us? Really, I'm sure you're the

757
00:42:14,453 --> 00:42:18,693
Speaker 3: same all those cricket annuals that he did right through

758
00:42:18,733 --> 00:42:22,613
Speaker 3: the seventies, at the end of every year out she'd come.

759
00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:26,253
Speaker 3: And then he widened his scope, didn't He went to

760
00:42:26,333 --> 00:42:28,493
Speaker 3: the Basin. He wrote all about the Basin and the

761
00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:31,613
Speaker 3: different things that had gone on there. You said, a

762
00:42:31,693 --> 00:42:34,133
Speaker 3: place that he loved, Yeah, sort of his second home

763
00:42:34,173 --> 00:42:37,293
Speaker 3: away from home, wasn't it. And then the summer game.

764
00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:39,853
Speaker 3: I mean he wrote, I mean he was a man

765
00:42:39,893 --> 00:42:44,253
Speaker 3: who looked forwards because he was he was always thinking

766
00:42:44,293 --> 00:42:49,013
Speaker 3: about what was next in the game and learning from

767
00:42:49,053 --> 00:42:54,333
Speaker 3: other sports. I remember the time he convinced Brian cedar

768
00:42:54,373 --> 00:42:56,253
Speaker 3: Wall because of his he was bowling a few no

769
00:42:56,413 --> 00:42:59,773
Speaker 3: balls that he would he would suggest, just like watching

770
00:43:00,613 --> 00:43:03,213
Speaker 3: someone with a javelin or something, or a run up

771
00:43:03,253 --> 00:43:08,293
Speaker 3: for the hop, step and jump, he would say, look,

772
00:43:08,613 --> 00:43:11,453
Speaker 3: measure their run ups. Why don't we do that? And

773
00:43:11,493 --> 00:43:17,373
Speaker 3: so Seeds carried this rope around for a whole season

774
00:43:17,573 --> 00:43:21,013
Speaker 3: in his cricket offfen and he had uncoil it and

775
00:43:21,093 --> 00:43:24,053
Speaker 3: out he'd go. They do it all nowadays it's done

776
00:43:24,053 --> 00:43:26,533
Speaker 3: for the bowlders, but he did it back then, you know,

777
00:43:26,613 --> 00:43:28,853
Speaker 3: and he was the first one to do that. So

778
00:43:28,893 --> 00:43:33,093
Speaker 3: he looked forwards always in games. But he also, obviously

779
00:43:33,133 --> 00:43:35,293
Speaker 3: because of all the books and things, he looked backwards.

780
00:43:35,293 --> 00:43:40,013
Speaker 3: And he was a historian as well. But I can

781
00:43:40,133 --> 00:43:45,373
Speaker 3: kind of remember a couple of things looking forward when

782
00:43:45,573 --> 00:43:49,093
Speaker 3: I mentioned that, how he prepared me for facing Gharana

783
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,693
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five going to the West Indies. He

784
00:43:52,773 --> 00:43:56,573
Speaker 3: took me down to Colburni Cricket Ground and there's a

785
00:43:56,573 --> 00:43:58,933
Speaker 3: little area where all you could sit on a few

786
00:43:58,933 --> 00:44:02,773
Speaker 3: little brick steps and so on near the road end.

787
00:44:04,013 --> 00:44:08,413
Speaker 3: And as you're going from the airport, and he took

788
00:44:08,453 --> 00:44:12,933
Speaker 3: his moa down and we sort of just we pushed moa.

789
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:16,693
Speaker 3: How we got into the outfield and made a little

790
00:44:16,733 --> 00:44:19,373
Speaker 3: sort of prepared pitch that was only about sort of

791
00:44:19,413 --> 00:44:22,653
Speaker 3: ten ten meters long, put a net up. He had

792
00:44:22,653 --> 00:44:25,213
Speaker 3: to grabbed a net, and then he climbed up the

793
00:44:25,293 --> 00:44:28,013
Speaker 3: steps about three steps, because he wasn't a tall man,

794
00:44:28,893 --> 00:44:32,493
Speaker 3: and so he was about the height of Joel Garner.

795
00:44:33,813 --> 00:44:36,453
Speaker 4: And then he threw the ball.

796
00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:38,733
Speaker 3: And he got some stumps that round in the net,

797
00:44:38,933 --> 00:44:42,533
Speaker 3: and I padded up, got all my helmet on and things,

798
00:44:42,573 --> 00:44:46,013
Speaker 3: and he then threw the ball as hard as he

799
00:44:46,253 --> 00:44:49,333
Speaker 3: could at me. Some of them were on the full,

800
00:44:49,413 --> 00:44:51,693
Speaker 3: some of them were short, so it didn't the length

801
00:44:53,493 --> 00:44:56,893
Speaker 3: to prepare me for the optics of just looking up

802
00:44:57,573 --> 00:44:58,333
Speaker 3: higher than.

803
00:44:58,213 --> 00:44:59,053
Speaker 4: You normally do.

804
00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:03,293
Speaker 3: And he was preparing me for just doing that, of

805
00:45:03,293 --> 00:45:06,253
Speaker 3: getting used to looking up at a different height. And

806
00:45:06,293 --> 00:45:08,693
Speaker 3: that's the sort of level he used to used to

807
00:45:08,773 --> 00:45:11,173
Speaker 3: think about clearly those things.

808
00:45:12,613 --> 00:45:13,613
Speaker 4: He was a lovely man.

809
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:16,653
Speaker 3: And I'm so pleased the book, you know, has been

810
00:45:16,693 --> 00:45:17,733
Speaker 3: written about him.

811
00:45:17,613 --> 00:45:21,333
Speaker 2: Bill Francis book on Nearly True to the Spirit of Cricket,

812
00:45:21,373 --> 00:45:24,133
Speaker 2: And of course he used a lot of help from

813
00:45:24,693 --> 00:45:30,533
Speaker 2: players who've worked and played under Don Neely right through

814
00:45:30,853 --> 00:45:33,573
Speaker 2: the time of his involvement in cricket, and he's been

815
00:45:33,653 --> 00:45:37,213
Speaker 2: certainly a great contributor to the game and remembered in

816
00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:41,693
Speaker 2: this book True to the Spirit of Cricket. I'm going

817
00:45:41,733 --> 00:45:44,693
Speaker 2: to finish off on an interesting note. I don't know

818
00:45:44,773 --> 00:45:49,053
Speaker 2: whether you played in this game, mostly the game in

819
00:45:49,093 --> 00:45:51,813
Speaker 2: Wellington where Bert Vance got smacked around. And I see

820
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:55,973
Speaker 2: where Ollie Robinson was carted for forty three off one

821
00:45:56,053 --> 00:46:00,333
Speaker 2: over in a county game forty three runs.

822
00:46:02,093 --> 00:46:04,293
Speaker 5: I did see that, and yes I was there when

823
00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:05,293
Speaker 5: Bert went for plenty.

824
00:46:07,173 --> 00:46:09,933
Speaker 3: I do remember where were you fielding Moose? Were you

825
00:46:09,973 --> 00:46:10,853
Speaker 3: at third slip?

826
00:46:13,453 --> 00:46:15,933
Speaker 5: I always liked grazing down and down at third man.

827
00:46:16,013 --> 00:46:18,733
Speaker 5: As you know, Jerry's keeping as far away as possible.

828
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:24,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you how do you explain forty three runs?

829
00:46:24,613 --> 00:46:26,893
Speaker 2: I mean, you can understand the Bert Vart situation that

830
00:46:27,013 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 2: that's easily explained, but forty three runs off and over

831
00:46:31,493 --> 00:46:37,453
Speaker 2: and they cost nobles cost two rather than one in

832
00:46:37,693 --> 00:46:40,213
Speaker 2: County cricket, so I'm told. So you know it's it's

833
00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:43,053
Speaker 2: an interesting situation. I mean I've spoken to Jerry about

834
00:46:43,053 --> 00:46:45,133
Speaker 2: this before and he never went for forty three when

835
00:46:45,173 --> 00:46:46,133
Speaker 2: he was bowling.

836
00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:50,973
Speaker 5: Because he was a Kenny and wiley, wiley man and

837
00:46:51,293 --> 00:46:52,413
Speaker 5: bold with beautiful gile.

838
00:46:53,133 --> 00:47:00,293
Speaker 3: What can I say, not interrupting any of you, the

839
00:47:00,453 --> 00:47:01,173
Speaker 3: sping of gile.

840
00:47:01,413 --> 00:47:05,613
Speaker 5: I see Jimmy Anderson got seven wickets against Knots the

841
00:47:05,653 --> 00:47:08,573
Speaker 5: other day. So for a bloke is what is he

842
00:47:09,213 --> 00:47:14,773
Speaker 5: fifty five or something? I don't know, he's nearly jury's pension.

843
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:18,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did a good job for a Worcestershire in

844
00:47:18,533 --> 00:47:20,533
Speaker 2: a game and he played two lots of four and

845
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:23,933
Speaker 2: they won a game against the Durham So a good

846
00:47:23,933 --> 00:47:28,173
Speaker 2: effort from him. He's having an interesting season playing in

847
00:47:28,213 --> 00:47:32,053
Speaker 2: the county cricket for Worcestershire. Guys, thanks very much for

848
00:47:32,253 --> 00:47:38,173
Speaker 2: joining us, Peter Holland who has taken special time out

849
00:47:38,213 --> 00:47:40,453
Speaker 2: to join us, and I'm sure we will have him

850
00:47:40,453 --> 00:47:44,693
Speaker 2: back again. You'll be free to offer some words of

851
00:47:44,693 --> 00:47:47,333
Speaker 2: wisdom most in the near future, I.

852
00:47:47,293 --> 00:47:50,133
Speaker 5: Hope, so certainly want to look forward to it. Can

853
00:47:50,173 --> 00:47:52,213
Speaker 5: I just can I just make a little quick point.

854
00:47:52,813 --> 00:47:55,853
Speaker 5: I've been in the Netherlands recently to bid farewell to

855
00:47:56,573 --> 00:48:00,893
Speaker 5: to a lovely cricket eating man, Pim Kurt, who passed

856
00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:03,733
Speaker 5: away on the weekend, who I first met when I

857
00:48:03,773 --> 00:48:06,213
Speaker 5: went over there to play for bloom and Dale. He

858
00:48:06,373 --> 00:48:09,653
Speaker 5: is the essence of what cricket is about. Played cricket

859
00:48:09,653 --> 00:48:13,613
Speaker 5: for many, many years, good spirited, played it for all

860
00:48:13,613 --> 00:48:16,573
Speaker 5: the right reasons. And that's why we love the game.

861
00:48:17,053 --> 00:48:21,453
Speaker 5: And vallet Pim, as they say, I just want to

862
00:48:21,453 --> 00:48:23,053
Speaker 5: acknowledge that that's why we love it.

863
00:48:23,973 --> 00:48:25,613
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, well said Most.

864
00:48:26,813 --> 00:48:30,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks to you, Jimmy. We'll talk again next week.

865
00:48:31,053 --> 00:48:31,253
Speaker 4: Yep.

866
00:48:31,493 --> 00:48:33,773
Speaker 3: No worries once. Yeah, good, good to see you.

867
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Speaker 5: Most.

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Speaker 5: Did, Yes, I did, Okay All.

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