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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Find.

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Speaker 2: You're one of the guys right on the huddle with us.

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Speaker 2: It's even got Ben Thomas and Craig Reeney. How are

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Speaker 2: you too, Craig? This seems like a ridiculous rule, doesn't

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Speaker 2: it It does.

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Speaker 3: It seems like the sort of rule that was invented

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Speaker 3: because at some point in time somebody somewhere cheated. But

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Speaker 3: I would hope that a little bit of common sense

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Speaker 3: this sort of space.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, is spending because cheated? I mean training

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Speaker 2: extra in a day is not cheating, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: training extra in a day is just being passionate about it,

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Speaker 2: and surely we should be encouraging that rather than say

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Speaker 2: kings can't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think it's probably been designed to stop

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Speaker 3: particularly ambitious parents pushing their kids into lots and lots

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Speaker 3: of training. And I think you know that it's aw

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Speaker 3: as a consequence. It seems like a rule that's designed

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Speaker 3: for one thing, and certainly not for the case here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you reckon, Ben? I mean you've worked in

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Speaker 4: Uh is it a policy? Is it? Is it a regulation?

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's a rule set by

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Speaker 4: Well, look, if it's a regulation, we could get the

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Speaker 4: Regulation Review Committee onto it like they did the Tea

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Speaker 4: Kanger continuing legal education. They might. They might have a

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Speaker 4: taste for blood now, but I mean, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: No, it's public pressure, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Ben, Well, look it's it seems like the sort of

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Speaker 4: rule that makes a lot of sense if you're talking

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Speaker 4: about say, college sports in the state, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: is anyone really incentivized to sort of make big money

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Speaker 4: on the primary school mountain bike circuit by calling their

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Speaker 4: kids out of classes? That it all seems that it's silly.

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Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: But are you still in Auckland? Do you own a

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Speaker 2: house in Auckland by any chance?

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Speaker 4: I've got a place in Auckland. Yeah, but I'm down

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Speaker 4: at Wellington most of the time. So worst of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so did you have a look the valuation today?

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Speaker 4: No? No, haven't had a look. Although look, my sins

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Speaker 4: is an Auckland I understand people are pretty disappointed about it.

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Speaker 4: But I always thought there as an Auckland. In the

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Speaker 4: same way that Huntergether has always sort of knew where

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Speaker 4: roughly know the market price of their hunt.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think they probably do, Craig, But I think

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Speaker 2: there's a difference, isn't there between what you think your

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Speaker 2: house is worth and then you see the thing written

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Speaker 2: down on the bit of paper and it's shocking.

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Speaker 3: Oh. I think some people have had a very nasty

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Speaker 3: surprise thinking that their properties have been immune from the

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Speaker 2: But being a good man of the left, you'll be pleased.

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Speaker 2: You'd be like, this is what we need. Downturn and

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Speaker 2: the property prices.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know about that. I think I would

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Speaker 3: support some stability housing prices going up and down really

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Speaker 3: quickly doesn't help anyone, and so as Actually, if we

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Speaker 3: can make properties stand stalin as the previous and I said,

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Speaker 3: you have a beautiful delevering overcame, that would be infinitely

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Speaker 3: preferable then people losing you know, quite big sums of

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon the been? I mean obviously between

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Speaker 2: like okay, so these these valuations have come out and

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Speaker 2: they have definitely I think shocked a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: just based on the people in my life. We have

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Speaker 2: upcoming local body elections in just a few months time,

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Speaker 2: and then we've got central like central government elections in

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Speaker 4: Ben No, Look, I wouldn't have thought so. I mean, remember,

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Speaker 4: it's a bit of a lagging indicator. These are the

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Speaker 4: from twenty twenty one, which themselves was sort of you know,

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Speaker 4: pricing in a lot of growth from the absolutely insane

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Speaker 4: People will be paying less for the mortgages as the

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Speaker 4: interras rate reductions flow through. So look, I think people

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Speaker 4: that their property is fallen and jail you. But look,

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Speaker 4: Right now, They'll probably be feeling a bit rosy accountliction.

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Speaker 3: Time's coming up, because I think as an economist, I'm

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Speaker 3: just sort of that there's one thing that does affect that,

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Speaker 3: which is what I think we call an economics the

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Speaker 3: wealth effect. Absolutely, when you see your house press keep

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Speaker 3: going up, you feel wealthier, so you go out and

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Speaker 3: you spend more money you because you're assuming the house

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Speaker 3: for saving later on. And if people have lost that

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Speaker 3: wealth effect, not only will they be feeling grumpy at

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Speaker 3: becomes a self fulfilling prophecy in terms of the economy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it fair to say that you would

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Speaker 3: I think what you would see is people not perhaps

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Speaker 3: and as a consequence, there's long durables. Those sorts of

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Speaker 3: things might see not quite the increase because people aren't

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Speaker 3: all else fails, they can sell their house and they

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Speaker 2: Death okay, and so as a result, we go further

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Speaker 2: into the slum that we're at, slump that we're in

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Speaker 2: at the moment. All right, guys, take a break, come

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Speaker 2: back shortly.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

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Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 2: Are you beg of the huddle, Craig Rinny and being

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Speaker 2: Thomas Craig, do you believe that corruption is increasing in

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Speaker 3: I think we've fallen down the perceptions of corruption and

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Speaker 3: transparency indexes. I think we've always probably had corruption. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's whether or not we're prepared to admit it, and

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Speaker 3: whether or not we've got more of it or less it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not entirely sure about that book. We should never

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Speaker 2: No, of course we've had it, and of course it's

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Speaker 2: got worse. Being I mean, you can put all of

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Speaker 2: what do you do about it? Like, is there anything

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think we have to live with

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Speaker 4: news corruption in New Zealand has been ever present, but

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Speaker 4: it's more that sort of makes it. It makes favors,

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Speaker 4: as opposed to really organized crime. And you know, I

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Speaker 4: think you made a very good point earlier, you know,

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Speaker 4: strategically placing people to sort of you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you know, smuggle the drugs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and and and find themselves inside organizations. Look, no,

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Speaker 4: organized crime huge problem with its genesis. I think in

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Speaker 4: it's a very slow way back for our police and

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Speaker 4: for our authority. It means a lot, a lot more strictness,

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Speaker 4: So it's not just fitting people, you know, at the

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Speaker 2: Graig, is Chippy really going to leave farmers out of

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Speaker 3: I have absolutely no idea. What I do know is

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Speaker 3: that there's a policy process that the later parties going

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Speaker 3: I think what he was saying to you guys, we're

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Speaker 3: talking about all the policies in the party manifesto, and

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Speaker 3: we're talking to you know, affected parties in various situations.

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Speaker 3: And as a consequence, it's just like we would be

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Speaker 2: This must be hard for you guys because you know,

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Speaker 2: is it really hard for you to figure out where

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Speaker 3: Well, we're a party of our values and there's a consequence,

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Speaker 3: you know, when we're selling our policies, that's the things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, but Craig, come on, you know

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Speaker 2: you've been doing this for a long time. We've all

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Speaker 3: Right, I think all parties have to consider what their

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Speaker 2: True? Okay, Ben? Do you ever load up your online

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, it's almost like windows shopping or putting

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Speaker 2: You putting in your shopping trolley? Like muscaa wine food?

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Speaker 4: The risk of sounding lame? Second hand books it's second

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Speaker 4: hand books and occasionally you know, ice hockey jerseys. Really yeah,

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Speaker 4: well they're you know, they're they're they're they're comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Sep you know, so it's not necessarily an ice hockey fair.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Just get that old County one on.

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Speaker 2: What about you, Craig, do you do this thing?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah all the time. It's just I think Ben's

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Speaker 3: exactly right. It's basically windows shopping, yeah, because it's so

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Speaker 3: but then I'll make a decision later. And what are you?

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Speaker 2: You're probably a book guy.

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Speaker 3: I am a I am a book guy. Records vinyl

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Speaker 2: Are you putting in? They're putting a bit of pink Floyd.

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Speaker 3: No, no, god, no, no, no, much more so the Pixies

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