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Speaker 2: Hello you Gort, New Zealanders. Welcome to Matt and Tyler Afternoons,

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Speaker 2: Full show podcast number ninety eight. So just two away

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Speaker 2: from the ton? Can we make it not out to

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Speaker 2: one hundred? It is Monday, the thirty first of March

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and fantastically interesting show today. Cluster of technically,

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Speaker 2: but we got through ironically because we go deep into

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Speaker 2: two robots at the end, and there was a really

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Speaker 2: interesting chat. I mean I went to a I didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about this on their but I went to a

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Speaker 2: presentation from in Zidmy and they were talking about AI

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Speaker 2: hosts of radio shows. Yep, and they played us some

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Speaker 3: Voice Dan right soon yep, great voice, A lot of

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Speaker 3: that's AI.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's only amount of time Tyler before fast

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Speaker 2: I replace you with a rumba.

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Speaker 3: Please this place will be clean Jesus Big Sky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Okay, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, good afternoon, Welcome into Monday, seven past one.

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Speaker 3: Hope you're doing well with IVY. You're listening in the country.

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Speaker 3: Ghett a man, get a tyler, get a everyone, boy

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Speaker 2: Did you watch that footage over the weekend of the

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Speaker 2: Infinity Pool at the top of that sky scrape I

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Speaker 2: did in Malaysia?

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Speaker 3: Terrifying.

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Speaker 2: That is some of the most terrifying footage I've ever seen,

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Speaker 2: So if you haven't. There's two people on a Liloh

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Speaker 2: in the pool. It starts shaking the pool. The water

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Speaker 2: starts going back and forth with this horrific earthquake, and

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Speaker 2: then the water's getting even more choppy, so they go

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Speaker 2: to climb out of the pool. They climb out, and

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Speaker 2: you know, this is so far up in the air

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Speaker 2: on the top of a skyscraper. The water smashes out

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Speaker 2: the glass and starts washing the water over. There's a

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Speaker 2: this water coming down just misses him. These people, this

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Speaker 2: boyfriend and girlfriend climb out of the pool in time.

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Speaker 2: If they'd been in there any longer, they would have

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Speaker 2: been washed right over the edge. It's like a it's

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Speaker 2: like a Hollywood movie. Absolutely terrifying, but the interesting thing

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Speaker 2: in it, and this just speaks to the addiction levels

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Speaker 2: that we have. As they're running away from this situation,

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Speaker 2: they both go back and grab their phones off where

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Speaker 2: they were sunbathing. They both go back, turn around and

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Speaker 3: It was such a tense watch, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: I'm watching that and I don't know the result of

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Speaker 3: I was yelling at the screen saying get out and run.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, amazing footage and just google Infinity Paul Bangkok.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I said Malaysia instead of Bancock. I was

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Speaker 2: reading something about Malaysia. Yeah, the earthquakes in Bangkok. Sorry

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Speaker 2: Let's bring some professionalism back. And there I am saying

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Speaker 3: Certainly is right to today's show after three o'clock. This

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Speaker 3: is going to be a good discussion robotics.

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Speaker 6: This is on.

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Speaker 3: The back of a fascinating technology company that have created

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Speaker 3: effectively a humanoid robot. It's called Neo Gamma, and it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is creepy. It's the Uncanny Valley. So the

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Speaker 2: And look, they're just trial it now. They're trying to

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Speaker 2: But do we want that? Do you really want a

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Speaker 2: How lazy are we that we need to be even

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Speaker 2: Anyway? It is creepy.

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Speaker 3: That is going to be a good discussion after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock investing in gold. As the price of

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Speaker 3: What is the value in investing in gold. It's traditionally

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Speaker 3: that the value will remain steady. But can to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff in gold

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Speaker 2: But people love it. People think it's secure.

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Speaker 3: Don you yep, I don't get it, me neither. But

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Speaker 3: right now, let's have a chat about democracy. So in

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Speaker 3: a Talbot Mill survey of two six hundred kiwis at

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Speaker 3: like the idea of a benevolent dictator, effectively someone who

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Speaker 2: Well, let's listen to how Jack Taine put it on

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Speaker 3: Right, we're just going to come back to that audio.

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Speaker 3: So this is Jack tame on Q and A over

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Speaker 7: Eighty one percent of respondents in your survey said that

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Speaker 7: democracy is good for running the country. But when you

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Speaker 7: a fascinating response. You asked, would having a strong leader

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Speaker 7: be a good way to govern New Zealand? Thirty two

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: Forty eight percent of men under forty four under what

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Speaker 3: Sorry it was under the age of forty four, I

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Speaker 3: believe yet, yes.

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Speaker 2: And look, you can nicol and die this whole survey

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Speaker 2: and the people that run it, but that's quite a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that are falling out of love democracy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean is it terrifying or is that should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean democracy is messy and expensive. And look,

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Speaker 2: you don't really experience, you know, democracy, you experience you

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Speaker 2: So in any given election, a huge percent of population

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Speaker 2: have is not democracy in a really pure sense of

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Speaker 2: the word, the ancient Greek sense where everything is voted on,

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Speaker 2: everyone gets together and everyone votes on it, or everyone

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Speaker 2: that's allowed to vote gets to vote on everything. That's

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Speaker 2: not really how it works. But a lot of people

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Speaker 2: to the point where people are open. The thing is,

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Speaker 2: if you could get a benevolent dictator who was the

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Speaker 2: an incredible counsel of people, let's just say twelve, like

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Speaker 2: interests were aligned with your interests, and they would make

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Speaker 2: infrastructure decisions were made long term, and they never got

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Speaker 2: corrupted by power, and they never did terrible evil things.

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Speaker 2: Then surely that would be the best form of government.

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Speaker 2: It sounds great, but the problem is that about two

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Speaker 2: months after they get in, journalists start going with yeah,

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Speaker 2: and anything, any any kind of descent is quashed. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But you know is are you falling in love? Are

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Speaker 2: you falling out of love with democracy?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: it looks like a lot of men under forty.

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Speaker 2: This is the quote. Many forms of government have been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and no doubt about it. With looking at those

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Speaker 2: Boys says this text to George, give me a tyrant

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. O one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 9: My thoughts is that we should have voted for STV

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Speaker 3: Way to do it right. So you think a lot

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Speaker 2: So that's a multi winner electoral system in which each

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Speaker 9: Ranked the politicians according to your the way you see it, and.

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Speaker 2: Graham, what do you see just what is the advantage

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Speaker 10: As you say it, that everybody that sits in Parliament

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Speaker 9: Of other people. So you Gary Burney wouldn't have got

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Speaker 3: But you're focusing on the list seats, Graham as that

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Speaker 9: On absolutely, because they're being paid, but they were never elected.

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Speaker 9: The only way they were elected was five percentage. But

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Speaker 2: So when you see these large numbers of people that

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Speaker 2: You're saying that what they're doing is they're looking at

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Speaker 9: And where are you going to find a benevolent dictator?

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Speaker 9: So you're so power corrupts and absolute power corrupts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thank you so much for your cool Graham,

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Speaker 3: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: you've fallen out of love with democracy and where is

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I was expecting the detail today.

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Speaker 3: I was what gave you that idea?

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Speaker 11: Watch for the rolling thunder Mike Roskin, it's coming, just like,

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Speaker 11: come on, if I don't get some boats, some names

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Speaker 2: What have we actually achieved? Back tomorrow at six am,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is twenty nine to two and we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty one percent of a study said that democracy

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Speaker 2: is essentially a benevolent dictator. This Texas says the problem

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well they're world leaders now.

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Speaker 2: But you could argue, you know, they do put a

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Speaker 2: lot of people to death on the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this takes us hees guys yet tend to agree.

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Speaker 3: But a benevolent dictator with some limits has to be

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Speaker 3: re elected or kicked out every two years.

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Speaker 2: See, that's the problem with the dictators. They always come

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Speaker 2: in and they say that they're going to run democracies,

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Speaker 2: but then the democracies don't stand up to scrutiny. You know,

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Speaker 2: you get North Korean democracies where you get more than

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the vote. And you know, once

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Speaker 2: a dictator is in it's very hard to get rid

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Speaker 2: of them. Yep, Because yeah, well it doesn't often go

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Speaker 2: well for a dictator when they're no longer in power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 3: number to call. Are you falling out of love with democracy?

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Speaker 3: And if you think something is going wrong with democracy?

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Speaker 3: What is going wrong? Oh e one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty to the number? Call headlines with windy coming up,

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Speaker 3: you talk, said.

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Speaker 12: The headlines, we blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with

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Speaker 12: a blue bubble. The Greens a urging intervention and caution

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Speaker 12: from the Prime Minister and New Zealand First the Chief

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Speaker 12: of Staff, I have a party leader Winston Peter's comments

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Speaker 12: about a Green MP who's received extreme threats to themselves

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Speaker 12: and their family. Peter's has criticized posts of a sexually

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Speaker 12: suggestive nature by Benjamin Doyle's private social media before he

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Speaker 12: was an MP. The Green say members of any minority

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Speaker 12: like the Rainbow Commune, are accustomed to using terms may

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Speaker 12: not be well understood by external groups.

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Speaker 3: Health.

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Speaker 12: against regimes in other countries, saying it believes some claims

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Speaker 12: are incorrect, but most can be tested empirically. Our recovery

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Speaker 12: to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy.

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Speaker 2: Eighty one percent of a survey of New Zealand's thought

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Speaker 2: that democracy was good for the country. But when you

482
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Speaker 2: change the question to would having a strong leader that

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Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about parliament or elections be good

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Speaker 2: for the country, thirty two percent agreed and forty eight

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Speaker 2: percent of men under the age of forty four agreed

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Speaker 2: with that. So it would suggest that men under the

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Speaker 2: age of forty four are feeling pretty unhappy with the

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Speaker 2: way democracy works in this country. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: answering that you support democracy and the other one, there's

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Speaker 2: some kind of crossover where people aren't fully understanding what

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Speaker 2: democracy is. So we're just asking our people falling out

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Speaker 2: of love with democracy in this country, and it would

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Speaker 2: a benevolent dictator be a good thing. And before you

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Speaker 2: keep coming in and saying about World War two, look,

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Speaker 2: we're just having a discussion about it. We all understand

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Speaker 2: the problems with a benevolent dictator. It's a thought experiment,

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Speaker 2: all right. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 2: the number.

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Speaker 3: And can I just add clearly if those are the

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Speaker 3: numbers coming through in the survey, and we can question

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Speaker 3: you know, the phrasing around the survey. But that is

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Speaker 3: incredibly interesting, terrifying to some people, but it is worthy

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Speaker 3: of discussion. If forty eight percent of men under forty

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Speaker 3: four are thinking that way, that is a problem that

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Speaker 3: we need to discuss.

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Speaker 2: Clearly. Anyone that says that things shouldn't be discussed because

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Speaker 2: it's dangerous, then you're not really supporting democracy. All those

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Speaker 2: people saying that that we should that you're somehow supporting

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Speaker 2: democracy by saying that people shouldn't discuss democracy. You're not

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Speaker 2: fully understanding democracy. Welcome to the show, Tony. Your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on this.

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Speaker 13: He's messy, yep, sorry, democracy is messy, Winston Churchill. I

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Speaker 13: think some that are busy said democracies the worst form

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Speaker 13: of government with the exception of all other forms of government.

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Speaker 13: And you know, I think he's onto something that it

516
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Speaker 13: can be messy, it can be frustrating, and I think,

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Speaker 13: you know, our cousin our current proportional representation system of

518
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Speaker 13: Tower week's a dog or we But the truth is

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Speaker 13: it's still the will of the majority, and buyermarge, that's

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Speaker 13: the best way to go. If you didn't. If you

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Speaker 13: start giving up any of your rights through a benevolent

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Speaker 13: dictator or whatever else you might you know, system you

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Speaker 13: might choose, you will struggle to get them back. So,

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Speaker 13: you know, we've got to have a strong constitution, strong

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Speaker 13: bill of rights, all that sort of thing, and then

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Speaker 13: let the people, the will of the people decide.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that is what's happening now? Do

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Speaker 2: you think an MMP, that the will of the people

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Speaker 2: do decide what happens? Because some people would say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, they vote and then there's a deal made

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Speaker 2: and then this compromise is made, and then people change

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Speaker 2: their minds as they get into too power, and by

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Speaker 2: the end of it, what you vote for doesn't necessarily happen.

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Speaker 13: I think it does.

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Speaker 6: Actually.

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Speaker 13: Interestingly, I think the term of the government plays a

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Speaker 13: part there, because I was a fan of changing the

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Speaker 13: term of the government from three years to four. But

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Speaker 13: actually I think if the government do or you know,

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Speaker 13: the coalition put into place things that they didn't campaign on,

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Speaker 13: then they can be thrown out pretty quickly. So I

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Speaker 13: actually think a three year term kind of sorts that

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Speaker 13: problem out.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the main problem people have with democracy

545
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Speaker 2: as the lack of long term thinking, and that.

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Speaker 13: When the three years, the three year cycle does does

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Speaker 13: cause that. But I mean, yeah, they're all sort of

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Speaker 13: campaigning on pork barrel stuff out David is kind of

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Speaker 13: short term, short term, you know, fixes to immediate problems.

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Speaker 13: But I don't know, I don't think there's any there's

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Speaker 13: a better solution.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for your call, Tony.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting when I was thinking. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about this when I was driving in because I found

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Speaker 2: this the surveyor really interesting, and I was thinking, how

556
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Speaker 2: could you deal with it? Because you get a benevolent

557
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Speaker 2: dictator in right, and then they become unbenevolent pretty quickly,

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Speaker 2: but they have to protect their position and.

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Speaker 3: They get power and powers.

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Speaker 2: And then I was thinking, oh, could you just have

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Speaker 2: about really really long terms for governments, So when you

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Speaker 2: have a democracy, you have a vote, and then that

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Speaker 2: government's in for fifteen years, and then maybe you take

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Speaker 2: out the need to hold onto power and change and

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Speaker 2: change their opinions just to get re elected and campaign

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Speaker 2: the whole time. But then I thought after the fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't get out.

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Speaker 3: Their claws and pretty tightly.

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Speaker 2: So while we're in the realm of silly thought experience,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, you do it some kind of really

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Speaker 2: deep psychological test, an intelligence test, and you put in

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Speaker 2: these people and they're all fifty at the time that

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Speaker 2: they go in, so they had a bit of experience

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Speaker 2: in life. But then you inject a serum in them

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Speaker 2: that they that they die twenty years later. So you're

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Speaker 2: going to have unchecked power for twenty years, but you

577
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Speaker 2: will die, and then you can guarantee that they won't

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Speaker 2: start rigging elections to win after twenty years.

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Speaker 3: And what an ultimate sacrifice to the country. Yeah, you

580
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Speaker 3: will be going in twenty years, but you know we'll

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Speaker 3: love you for it. It'll be hell over twenty years exactly.

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Speaker 3: I one hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to

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Speaker 3: call it is eighteen to two.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 5: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Tayler afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention

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Speaker 1: to detail and a commitment to comfort news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon. It is a quarter to two,

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Speaker 3: and having a great discussion about democracy in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: on the back of quite an interesting survey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah Tobert Mills survey that the answer to this question

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Speaker 2: would having a strong leader that doesn't have to worry

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Speaker 2: about parliament or elections be good for the country. Thirty

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Speaker 2: two percent agreed and forty eight percent of men under

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Speaker 2: the age of forty four agreed. This text says the

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Speaker 2: issue isn't democracy, it's lads under forty four who are

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Speaker 2: happy for others to do stuff for them while they

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Speaker 2: go to the pub. Okay, yeah, das all right. Or

599
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Speaker 2: maybe the problem is that they feel left out of

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Speaker 2: the democratic process might be the problem as well.

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Speaker 3: This one says, guys, look at what our ancestors built

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Speaker 3: in three year terms. It's the politicians, not the term

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Speaker 3: that is the problem.

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Speaker 2: From Bob, and this text of serum makes a really

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Speaker 2: really good point. The result of the survey would be

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Speaker 2: completely different if they had included the word dictator in

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Speaker 2: the original survey question. I don't think they really understood

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Speaker 2: what they were saying, and I think that's that's probably

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Speaker 2: true because eighty one percent said democracy was good for

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Speaker 2: the country, but then a thirty two percent thought that

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Speaker 2: they wanted the opposite of democracy, So you know, and

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Speaker 2: that's why surveys are so dodge because you're asking, I mean,

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Speaker 2: and if you go through the survey, they are some

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Speaker 2: pretty leading questions all the way through it. But it's

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Speaker 2: still an interesting whatever, yeah, whatever. The fact that that

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Speaker 2: many under men under forty four forty eight percent agreed

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Speaker 2: with that is significant.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, worthy of discussion. Absolutely, Oh it under a

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call how are you?

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Speaker 14: And he goes not too bad teas the under forty

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Speaker 14: fours will not remember if it was that first past

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Speaker 14: the post the MMP election that first brought all that

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Speaker 14: in was in ninety six. Now I'm forty six and

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Speaker 14: I was eighteen and could just vote, so first you

625
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Speaker 14: could do what you want. Sixty seventies eighties you didn't

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Speaker 14: have an opposition.

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Speaker 2: That would.

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Speaker 14: Team up with and create a coalition to veto everything

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Speaker 14: you wanted to put through. And you had your rogenomics

630
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Speaker 14: because of it. You had Muldoon, you had Lonie. They

631
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Speaker 14: all did what they wanted to do more or less.

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Speaker 14: So I think that the demographic just have not experienced it.

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Speaker 14: They might have heard their appearents moaning about it, but

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Speaker 14: that would have been.

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Speaker 2: All yeah, because one of the main complaints people had

636
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Speaker 2: about first past the post is it was and this

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Speaker 2: often happened because of population spread. Often the party that

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Speaker 2: got in didn't didn't get the popular.

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Speaker 15: Vote, So there you go.

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Speaker 14: I mean, and you could have one party get fifty

641
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Speaker 14: one percent and push through more or less what they

642
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Speaker 14: wanted within reason.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well you didn't you get a party that got forty

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Speaker 2: forty six percent and push it through because the size

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Speaker 2: of because you know, if you've got if you won

647
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Speaker 2: more rural electorates and national governments were getting in on

648
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Speaker 2: that for a while, which which sort of started the

649
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Speaker 2: ground swell against first past the post But one thing Nathan,

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Speaker 2: that was good about First past the Post, and I

651
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Speaker 2: think people don't understand this is that your your local

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Speaker 2: MP was fighting within the government for your region. Yes, correct,

653
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Speaker 2: and so if so they had to say within that

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Speaker 2: party that has sort of disappeared now and with MMP,

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Speaker 2: what you get is just the word of that party,

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Speaker 2: So you get National has one is in line with

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Speaker 2: one thing, Labors in line with another, Greens are line

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Speaker 2: with another, actor in line with another, rather than a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of voices coming in from from different electorates.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's something that we've lost.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, we've swung.

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Speaker 14: Almost too far the other way, but most of the attendum.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, we've had a few

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Speaker 3: referendums on MMP and I certainly don't think it's working right,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know how to tweak it to make

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Speaker 3: it work more efficiently. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: elements there. It's very complex and we want everybody to

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Speaker 3: have a voice, but it's clearly not working as good

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Speaker 3: as it should.

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Speaker 2: But Nathan, do you find it slightly concerning that such

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Speaker 2: a large percentage of New Zealanders would essentially be pro

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Speaker 2: a benevolent dictator.

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Speaker 14: Were interviewed, this is the thing with statistic.

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Speaker 3: Two thousand, six hundred.

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Speaker 14: Right in what areas across the country.

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Speaker 3: Or we'd have to go through the methodology.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 14: Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you want want. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: and if you combined all the women against that one demographic,

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Speaker 14: what was that total? So you know, at least at

681
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Speaker 14: least some of us have got a brain or at

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Speaker 14: least the experience to have known what we've come from

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Speaker 14: and understand exactly what that means.

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Speaker 2: That question exactly exactly Nathan in the question that was asked,

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Speaker 2: which was woord having a stronger leader that doesn't have

686
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Speaker 2: to worry about parliament or elections be good for the country,

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Speaker 2: Which is a really strange question. As a Texas sent

688
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Speaker 2: in before, if they said do you like dictators? Do

689
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Speaker 2: you want to be ruled by a dictator? Then I

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Speaker 2: imagine the percentage of people that agreed with it would

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Speaker 2: be much smaller.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean Churchill was a strong leader, he was

693
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Speaker 14: also a drunkard. Stalin was a good leader, and even

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Speaker 14: you could argue Hitler in the thirties, apart from his

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Speaker 14: anti submitted I mean, don't go into that. The man

696
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Speaker 14: was evil personified, but he made the country flourish. So

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Speaker 14: through whose lens are you looking at these people? And

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Speaker 14: you know so your labor voters would argue that your

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Speaker 14: national leader no way could be benevolent and vice versa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's exactly right. But even now in democracy,

701
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Speaker 2: if you vote one way and the election goes another way,

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Speaker 2: you could argue you don't have any democracy at that

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Speaker 2: point for you personally, because the people that are doing

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Speaker 2: exactly what you didn't want it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's the least list of MPs getting on the

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Speaker 14: coattails of the vote is what really rips Mindy speaks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for you call, Nathan.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call love to hear your thoughts about

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Speaker 3: the state of democracy? Are you falling out of love

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Speaker 3: with democracy? Is their problems that you can identify? Love

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Speaker 3: to hear from you? It is nine to two.

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Speaker 2: As this Texas says, we know why we call them dictators,

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Speaker 2: don't you? It's because they're dicks?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is that why networks? All right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Matties Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 2: News dogs, b news dogs.

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Speaker 3: They be six to two.

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Speaker 2: Owen, welcome to show what's your thoughts?

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Speaker 17: Oh, the first question is we'll stop deceiving ourselves. We

725
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Speaker 17: actually live in what they call a democracy. The first

726
00:37:33,693 --> 00:37:37,933
Speaker 17: thing is we live in a monarchy. If the king's

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Speaker 17: not happy with what he sees, he can change the government.

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Speaker 2: Good luck with that.

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Speaker 3: Can Somebody said that would speed up a republic chat

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Speaker 3: a bit fast, wouldn't that?

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Speaker 17: Well, yeah, but then that'll cause other problems as well.

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Speaker 17: I suppose My main issue is why don't everybody go

733
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Speaker 17: to Parliament and then select the people who are the

734
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Speaker 17: best for the country rather than for the party. Well yeah,

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Speaker 17: we're talking about for the country, but at the end

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Speaker 17: of the days for the party, and it's what the

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Speaker 17: party wants, not what the people want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean that's how it seems to often

739
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Speaker 2: turn out. And I think in m MP the party parties,

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Speaker 2: you know, as I was saying before, you end up

741
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Speaker 2: with just the one viewpoint of National the one point

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Speaker 2: viewpoint of Labor, the one viewpoint of ACT and the

743
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Speaker 2: one viewpoint of Green or Greens or whoever else. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know that you don't have this many, many dissenting

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Speaker 2: voices across different electorates. But I think people forget with

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Speaker 2: MP as well as that. You know, all the members

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Speaker 2: of the Act Party would be in the National Party

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Speaker 2: if it wasn't for m MP. Yeah, and the Greens

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Speaker 2: would just be you know, people you know, running around

750
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Speaker 2: saying stuff within the Labor Party and then you get

751
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Speaker 2: broken into those two blocks. Yeah, that's that's how it

752
00:38:56,333 --> 00:38:58,093
Speaker 2: used to work, that's what first passed the post. You'd

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Speaker 2: have more left leaning and more right leaning members of

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Speaker 2: each party.

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Speaker 3: But clearly, I mean according to the survey, and we

756
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Speaker 3: can question the methodology and that's the right thing to do,

757
00:39:07,933 --> 00:39:09,733
Speaker 3: but clear there is a bit of a falling out

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Speaker 3: of love with democracy or clearly some issues within it

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Speaker 3: that men in particular are seeing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well this textass says who would everyone agree on

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Speaker 2: as this bene benevolent dictator? Maybe Mike Cosking or Judy Bailey.

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Speaker 3: Judy Bailey, yeah, mother of the Nation. At some stage.

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Speaker 2: Look, if we're even thinking about it. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: throw my hat in the ring. Definitely not benevolent dictator. Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of a benevolent dictator of this show and

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Speaker 2: it seems to be going.

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Speaker 3: Quite benevolent is the right word there? Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: really enjoyed that chat, So thank you to everyone who

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Speaker 3: gave us a buzz and sent in a text. But

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Speaker 3: coming up after two o'clock, we want to have a

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Speaker 3: chat about gold.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so gold people are buying it up at the

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Speaker 2: moment with the uncertainty in the world, but does it

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Speaker 2: have any real value?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: as the price of gold continues to hit New highs,

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Speaker 3: investors are being worn to carefully consider how much they

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Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty. Sell gold to us, not

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Speaker 2: literally sell gold to us, but sell the idea of

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00:41:59,893 --> 00:42:02,853
Speaker 2: gold to us if you totally believe in it. Because

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Speaker 2: gold doesn't provide any income via dividends or interest, and

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Speaker 2: you know, owning the physical called metal it comes with

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Speaker 2: other costs such as storage and insurance. And look, if

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Speaker 2: you don't actually have your hands on the gold then

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Speaker 2: and it's across town, then you know, in the case

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Speaker 2: of some kind of terrible thing happening, would you even

820
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Speaker 2: be able to get your hands on it? Are you

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Speaker 2: sure that organization isn't going to disappear in the same

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Speaker 2: way that a bank might disappear? So how absolutely solid

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00:42:33,213 --> 00:42:35,413
Speaker 2: is gold? It's obviously solid when you hold it as

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Speaker 2: a block or a bit squishy. It's a bit squishy.

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Speaker 3: But even if you hoard it and things go bally

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Speaker 3: up in terms of societal carnage, what are you going

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Speaker 3: to do with that gold? You know, if things go

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Speaker 3: really really wrong and society crumbles, can you use that

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Speaker 3: gold to barter for things that you're going to need?

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Speaker 3: I just so, I mean, would you? It's a shiny

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Speaker 3: rock at that point.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. But humans have a fascination with it and

833
00:43:01,533 --> 00:43:05,893
Speaker 2: we have for the very longest time. So even if

834
00:43:05,973 --> 00:43:09,252
Speaker 2: society does break down and is a far end.

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Speaker 3: We're taking it to the extreme.

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Speaker 2: We're doing a show of thought experiments here. But if

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Speaker 2: you take it to the society breaking down, we are

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Speaker 2: going to have to put some kind of monetary system

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Speaker 2: in place, aren't we. Whether it's shekels, tobacco, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know, even prisons have monetary systems. Yeah, very true,

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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't it be gold?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. I do wonder, and this is a question

844
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Speaker 3: to our listeners. I wonder if part of it is

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Speaker 3: after and this happened to my folks. They lost a

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Speaker 3: bit of money in one of the sheer market collapses.

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Speaker 3: I believe it was the Asian sheer market collapse, and

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Speaker 3: from that point forward, Dad always said, don't put your

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Speaker 3: money in shares. It really scared him. So I wonder

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Speaker 3: if that's a part of it that people who have

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Speaker 3: had those stock market skiers and lost money thought, bugger this,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to go for gold because gold, to

853
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Speaker 3: me is a lot more safe.

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Speaker 2: Which crash was that one?

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Speaker 3: That was the I believe the Asian crash that was

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Speaker 3: in the late seventies.

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Speaker 2: Right, there was a big crash in the in the

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Speaker 2: eighties that put a lot of people off stocks. The

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Speaker 2: country went crazy for stocks to stuff for the rogenomics times,

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Speaker 2: and that's pointed to a lot of the reason why

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Speaker 2: we are so obsessed with property in this country because

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Speaker 2: everyone was buying stocks and the country went absolutely crazy

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Speaker 2: for stocks. Yeah, and that blew up in our faces.

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Speaker 2: So maybe maybe that did also push people towards gold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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872
00:44:54,693 --> 00:44:55,693
Speaker 3: and we're talking about gold.

873
00:44:55,773 --> 00:44:58,173
Speaker 2: And I tell you what they say. We love gold.

874
00:44:58,253 --> 00:45:01,613
Speaker 2: Humans love gold. Where they certainly do because the lines

875
00:45:01,653 --> 00:45:04,413
Speaker 2: are packed on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and

876
00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:06,533
Speaker 2: so many texts are coming through. But keep trying because

877
00:45:06,533 --> 00:45:07,933
Speaker 2: we want to get through to We want to get

878
00:45:07,933 --> 00:45:09,252
Speaker 2: everyone's opinions out there.

879
00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:11,453
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

880
00:45:11,533 --> 00:45:14,732
Speaker 3: number to call. The phone lines a choker block, Luke,

881
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:16,093
Speaker 3: how are you?

882
00:45:16,173 --> 00:45:17,413
Speaker 8: Yeah, good fellows yourself?

883
00:45:17,733 --> 00:45:19,573
Speaker 2: Very good? I understand you love gold.

884
00:45:20,373 --> 00:45:25,813
Speaker 8: I love god. I've had gold fever. I don't know

885
00:45:25,853 --> 00:45:29,493
Speaker 8: how many hours, hundreds of hours and rivers with a

886
00:45:29,533 --> 00:45:34,732
Speaker 8: pan glose boxes from mark one to Mark fifteen and

887
00:45:35,213 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 8: we got about an ounce, but we managed to make

888
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 8: our wedding rings. Wow, memor wife, So that was quite cool.

889
00:45:43,533 --> 00:45:45,413
Speaker 2: That is so cool. So your wedding rings are made

890
00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:46,893
Speaker 2: out of gold that you've panned.

891
00:45:47,613 --> 00:45:50,493
Speaker 8: Yeah, I got it out of the dirt and get it.

892
00:45:50,573 --> 00:45:51,772
Speaker 2: And where'd you get it from? Where?

893
00:45:51,773 --> 00:45:51,973
Speaker 6: Where?

894
00:45:51,973 --> 00:45:54,652
Speaker 2: Where was that dirt? What's what's as you're trying to

895
00:45:54,653 --> 00:45:56,212
Speaker 2: hold onto that secret location.

896
00:45:57,773 --> 00:46:00,973
Speaker 8: Combination of the of the West Coast rivers. Yeah, down

897
00:46:01,053 --> 00:46:06,692
Speaker 8: the Southwestern and Wanaka, a few little spots on there.

898
00:46:06,853 --> 00:46:09,453
Speaker 8: We were talking about we're very small. We're just literally

899
00:46:10,053 --> 00:46:13,613
Speaker 8: chipping away having a bit of fun. You're outside doing

900
00:46:13,653 --> 00:46:16,053
Speaker 8: a job getting big loss impliers, and it's quite rewarding

901
00:46:16,053 --> 00:46:19,053
Speaker 8: when you find something and every little blake counts, it's awesome.

902
00:46:19,213 --> 00:46:22,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, So sorry because I think you said before, but

903
00:46:22,533 --> 00:46:25,973
Speaker 2: I just missed that. How long and how much panning

904
00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:27,493
Speaker 2: did you have to do to get the gold that

905
00:46:27,533 --> 00:46:29,533
Speaker 2: you got to make those wedding rings.

906
00:46:29,933 --> 00:46:31,733
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it worked out to be about one

907
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:36,373
Speaker 8: hundred hours between two, so one hundred hours each, so

908
00:46:36,653 --> 00:46:38,292
Speaker 8: I think we worked it out. We were getting paid

909
00:46:38,333 --> 00:46:41,893
Speaker 8: about eight dollars forty an hour at the low end,

910
00:46:42,013 --> 00:46:45,613
Speaker 8: at the low end edinflation, and then now that we

911
00:46:45,733 --> 00:46:50,533
Speaker 8: might have doubled that. But this was one thing about

912
00:46:50,573 --> 00:46:52,693
Speaker 8: gold that I do like. We did actually invest in

913
00:46:52,773 --> 00:46:57,893
Speaker 8: gold as well when we're in Australia and we were

914
00:46:57,933 --> 00:46:59,252
Speaker 8: just sort of put a little bit away, a little

915
00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:04,293
Speaker 8: bit away and we got like eight ounce block of

916
00:47:04,333 --> 00:47:06,172
Speaker 8: gold physical, we had it in our hand. We went

917
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:10,133
Speaker 8: to the person, bought it and took it home with us.

918
00:47:10,453 --> 00:47:14,213
Speaker 8: And now carry on luggage which was quite interesting. We

919
00:47:14,293 --> 00:47:18,813
Speaker 8: didn't have that. You had to declear precious metals, so

920
00:47:19,053 --> 00:47:21,133
Speaker 8: that was at interesting text.

921
00:47:21,813 --> 00:47:25,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how much of how much weight of gold

922
00:47:25,653 --> 00:47:27,373
Speaker 2: with that and how much value at the.

923
00:47:27,373 --> 00:47:35,053
Speaker 8: Time, So that was like vain or just about about

924
00:47:35,053 --> 00:47:38,653
Speaker 8: ten thousand dollars right, and that was like the size

925
00:47:38,653 --> 00:47:43,613
Speaker 8: of a piece of chocolate, like the original Cabrey chocolate pieces.

926
00:47:44,133 --> 00:47:48,613
Speaker 8: It was tiny. That was quite good and we held

927
00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:51,853
Speaker 8: onto that for a few years that we we I

928
00:47:51,853 --> 00:47:53,133
Speaker 8: think we'd like doubled out money.

929
00:47:53,173 --> 00:47:53,733
Speaker 6: It was crazy.

930
00:47:53,773 --> 00:47:55,692
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. How does it? How does it work?

931
00:47:55,733 --> 00:47:57,813
Speaker 3: Sorry to jump in there, Luke. Do we still have

932
00:47:57,893 --> 00:48:01,693
Speaker 3: traditional gold claims in New Zealand or within reason? You

933
00:48:01,693 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 3: can pretty much pan wherever you like.

934
00:48:04,293 --> 00:48:06,973
Speaker 8: No, you do have to have a claim if you're

935
00:48:07,053 --> 00:48:10,413
Speaker 8: using anything mechanical. If you've just got as far as

936
00:48:10,453 --> 00:48:12,573
Speaker 8: I'm aware, have you got a pan and a shovel,

937
00:48:12,653 --> 00:48:16,493
Speaker 8: you can, you know, but as soon as you get

938
00:48:16,493 --> 00:48:20,853
Speaker 8: a dredge you've got to have anpecial claim. And there

939
00:48:20,933 --> 00:48:23,253
Speaker 8: is still gold claims out there. There's people pulling a

940
00:48:23,253 --> 00:48:26,613
Speaker 8: lot of money out of the ground, still in small scale,

941
00:48:27,173 --> 00:48:29,133
Speaker 8: but just a lot of knowledge.

942
00:48:29,933 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 2: So look when it comes to gold, So you've panned

943
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:36,053
Speaker 2: some gold, you've bought some gold. Do you believe it's

944
00:48:36,053 --> 00:48:40,933
Speaker 2: got an intrinsic value beyond because you know, as we've

945
00:48:40,973 --> 00:48:45,133
Speaker 2: been saying before, you can't eat it, and and you

946
00:48:45,173 --> 00:48:47,733
Speaker 2: know there's an argument it's not it could easily just

947
00:48:47,773 --> 00:48:54,213
Speaker 2: be worth nothing. It's our belief that it's worth something

948
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:56,013
Speaker 2: is arguably all in our heads.

949
00:48:57,013 --> 00:49:00,333
Speaker 8: Yeah. So I've also read the book about gold and silver.

950
00:49:00,413 --> 00:49:02,493
Speaker 8: Silver is the other one, which is to go hand

951
00:49:02,493 --> 00:49:04,253
Speaker 8: in hand. We didn't vest and silver as well. But

952
00:49:04,293 --> 00:49:07,453
Speaker 8: you need ten tons as much of it a lot heavy.

953
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:10,453
Speaker 8: You're carrying the carrying luggage where we found out, Yes,

954
00:49:11,893 --> 00:49:15,493
Speaker 8: we so I read a book about it, Gold and

955
00:49:15,573 --> 00:49:18,253
Speaker 8: Silver investment something or other and we were sold down

956
00:49:18,293 --> 00:49:20,133
Speaker 8: the river. You know, we're like, right, let's to it.

957
00:49:20,733 --> 00:49:25,692
Speaker 8: And but again, like you say, what's intrinsic value? I

958
00:49:25,853 --> 00:49:31,253
Speaker 8: note they reckon is from every little phone, every thing,

959
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:36,733
Speaker 8: it's very conductive. We came to the conclusion of and

960
00:49:36,773 --> 00:49:41,333
Speaker 8: this is.

961
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:42,093
Speaker 2: Something something keeps something. Look, look there's there's something where

962
00:49:42,093 --> 00:49:44,573
Speaker 2: you're really clear and something where you're really not clear

963
00:49:44,613 --> 00:49:45,613
Speaker 2: on your phone.

964
00:49:46,893 --> 00:49:48,613
Speaker 8: Phone. Yes, sorry, sorry, are we back?

965
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:51,253
Speaker 2: You'll be good now. So what have you doing Keep

966
00:49:51,253 --> 00:49:52,613
Speaker 2: doing what you're doing now, because we want to hear

967
00:49:52,613 --> 00:49:54,533
Speaker 2: what you've got to say.

968
00:49:55,653 --> 00:49:58,133
Speaker 8: We came to the conclusion that this is, like I said,

969
00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:03,253
Speaker 8: a bit of a gag. Humans we've been put here's

970
00:50:03,253 --> 00:50:07,253
Speaker 8: a planet to find gold. Were smart after know how

971
00:50:07,253 --> 00:50:09,013
Speaker 8: to find it, but not small had enough to know

972
00:50:09,013 --> 00:50:12,333
Speaker 8: what to do with it. Yeah, one day someone's going

973
00:50:12,373 --> 00:50:14,693
Speaker 8: to come back from out of space harvest. We're just

974
00:50:14,733 --> 00:50:17,333
Speaker 8: storing it in their houses and so, yeah, you're right.

975
00:50:19,493 --> 00:50:22,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's theories. Yeah, I've heard that theory before. It's

976
00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:24,853
Speaker 2: a pretty amusing one that it's just been some aliens

977
00:50:24,853 --> 00:50:28,293
Speaker 2: came down here and they planted in this this insane

978
00:50:28,453 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 2: and illogical, absolute desire for gold. Yeah, absolutely love it.

979
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:36,693
Speaker 2: And so and then they left us, and we've just

980
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:38,733
Speaker 2: been mining it for them for the longest time with

981
00:50:38,773 --> 00:50:41,973
Speaker 2: that thought in their head. And then they'll come back

982
00:50:42,013 --> 00:50:44,293
Speaker 2: and they'll grab it off us, and then they'll fly

983
00:50:44,373 --> 00:50:47,053
Speaker 2: back into space and then, you know, thanks for doing

984
00:50:47,093 --> 00:50:49,212
Speaker 2: the work, probably like good on youse, guys, you've felt us,

985
00:50:49,333 --> 00:50:51,212
Speaker 2: and they'll be like suckers.

986
00:50:51,813 --> 00:50:54,573
Speaker 3: Luke, thank you very much, mate, I really appreciate you

987
00:50:54,613 --> 00:50:56,453
Speaker 3: giving us a buzz. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

988
00:50:56,533 --> 00:50:59,173
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. How are you feeling

989
00:50:59,173 --> 00:51:03,533
Speaker 3: about gold? There are some cautious warnings about those who

990
00:51:03,573 --> 00:51:05,493
Speaker 3: go all in on gold, But how do you feel

991
00:51:05,493 --> 00:51:08,453
Speaker 3: about it? Is it a safe haven as some people say.

992
00:51:08,373 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Craig's Investment partners Mark Lister says, you

993
00:51:11,853 --> 00:51:14,573
Speaker 2: know it should be about ten percent of your portfolio folio,

994
00:51:14,613 --> 00:51:17,213
Speaker 2: but some people are up around twenty twenty five percent,

995
00:51:17,253 --> 00:51:19,853
Speaker 2: and he thinks that's too much. But do you love gold?

996
00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:22,293
Speaker 2: And if so, why and how's it working out for you?

997
00:51:22,413 --> 00:51:26,813
Speaker 3: Twenty past two.

998
00:51:27,933 --> 00:51:31,373
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

999
00:51:31,373 --> 00:51:34,213
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on youth Talk said, be very.

1000
00:51:34,053 --> 00:51:36,973
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you twenty two past two, and we're

1001
00:51:37,013 --> 00:51:38,933
Speaker 3: talking about gold on the back of an article in

1002
00:51:38,933 --> 00:51:41,053
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Herald about why people should be a

1003
00:51:41,053 --> 00:51:43,693
Speaker 3: little bit cautious if they're going all in on gold.

1004
00:51:43,733 --> 00:51:47,533
Speaker 3: But love to hear your thoughts. It's often been taulted

1005
00:51:47,573 --> 00:51:51,933
Speaker 3: as a safe haven when markets goes haywire. A couple

1006
00:51:51,933 --> 00:51:55,053
Speaker 3: of texts guys, I invested into silver. It's used widely

1007
00:51:55,173 --> 00:52:00,253
Speaker 3: in medical and electronics. Also a looming worldwide shortage, hugely

1008
00:52:00,373 --> 00:52:02,093
Speaker 3: undervalued in my opinion.

1009
00:52:02,573 --> 00:52:04,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be interested to know what percentage of gold

1010
00:52:05,333 --> 00:52:09,773
Speaker 2: is kept as an investment, you know, what percentage is

1011
00:52:11,133 --> 00:52:14,093
Speaker 2: being used in electronics as a percentage of the gold

1012
00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:17,053
Speaker 2: that we've got, because it's definitely you know, and as

1013
00:52:17,053 --> 00:52:19,533
Speaker 2: someone rightly points out here, it's intrinsic value. As I

1014
00:52:19,533 --> 00:52:23,252
Speaker 2: was saying, it doesn't have any intrinsic value, and that's

1015
00:52:23,293 --> 00:52:26,853
Speaker 2: not true. It does as a conductor of energy and

1016
00:52:26,893 --> 00:52:29,013
Speaker 2: electrical components. It does have a use.

1017
00:52:29,213 --> 00:52:32,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, But just another question, if you invest in

1018
00:52:32,893 --> 00:52:35,933
Speaker 3: gold as and you don't buy the physical products, does

1019
00:52:35,933 --> 00:52:38,853
Speaker 3: it exist somewhere that if you go and invest whatever

1020
00:52:38,893 --> 00:52:41,853
Speaker 3: it is, ten percent of your portfolio into gold, and

1021
00:52:41,893 --> 00:52:44,333
Speaker 3: you so choose you want to visit your little slice

1022
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:44,813
Speaker 3: of bullion.

1023
00:52:45,133 --> 00:52:45,893
Speaker 2: Is that how it works?

1024
00:52:45,973 --> 00:52:49,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to do, so it would be stored somewhere, right, Yeah,

1025
00:52:49,493 --> 00:52:51,213
Speaker 3: And you're a little part of gold.

1026
00:52:51,213 --> 00:52:52,213
Speaker 2: You want it, you want to do it? You do

1027
00:52:52,253 --> 00:52:54,093
Speaker 2: it with the mint, mate, mint, it's mint.

1028
00:52:54,213 --> 00:52:54,732
Speaker 3: There we go.

1029
00:52:55,133 --> 00:52:58,253
Speaker 2: But you know, there are, of course some stores kept

1030
00:52:58,573 --> 00:53:02,573
Speaker 2: in ice cream containers buried under people's garages. Yes, all

1031
00:53:02,573 --> 00:53:03,613
Speaker 2: over New Zealand.

1032
00:53:03,333 --> 00:53:05,133
Speaker 3: No doubt about that. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

1033
00:53:05,213 --> 00:53:08,533
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call Tony. How are you.

1034
00:53:10,133 --> 00:53:10,373
Speaker 4: Good?

1035
00:53:10,413 --> 00:53:10,573
Speaker 18: Guy?

1036
00:53:10,693 --> 00:53:13,733
Speaker 2: And you very good? You've been into gold for fifteen

1037
00:53:14,013 --> 00:53:15,173
Speaker 2: or so years, I believe.

1038
00:53:16,493 --> 00:53:19,772
Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, we got into it. My son actually got

1039
00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:23,213
Speaker 19: me intoed and he did quite a bit knowledge on it,

1040
00:53:23,293 --> 00:53:27,133
Speaker 19: and I sort of got on the same coattails as

1041
00:53:27,133 --> 00:53:33,812
Speaker 19: what he did and whatever. And it's turned out quite

1042
00:53:33,813 --> 00:53:36,373
Speaker 19: good because when we bought it was about fifteen hundred

1043
00:53:36,373 --> 00:53:39,933
Speaker 19: bucks an ounce, and now it's around about five thousand

1044
00:53:39,933 --> 00:53:44,333
Speaker 19: and two hundred, so it's like but what we did

1045
00:53:44,533 --> 00:53:48,253
Speaker 19: was we could foresee what was going to happen. It's

1046
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:52,533
Speaker 19: kind of a worldwide shortage. And you, like Tyler, you

1047
00:53:52,573 --> 00:53:57,613
Speaker 19: were saying you should go for physical gold, not certified,

1048
00:53:57,693 --> 00:54:03,413
Speaker 19: because you don't if anything turns to crap you've got

1049
00:54:02,973 --> 00:54:06,373
Speaker 19: you have to go and get that. And whether it's

1050
00:54:06,493 --> 00:54:12,453
Speaker 19: been nationally made is another thing, you know, So I

1051
00:54:12,493 --> 00:54:17,212
Speaker 19: would go, always go for physical. And what we did

1052
00:54:17,373 --> 00:54:21,173
Speaker 19: was we went small. We actually went we bought ounces

1053
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:24,533
Speaker 19: to start with, and then we downgraded, well upgraded or

1054
00:54:24,573 --> 00:54:28,333
Speaker 19: what do you like to ten ounces so that they

1055
00:54:28,453 --> 00:54:31,493
Speaker 19: come affordable to people opposed to buy. And you know,

1056
00:54:31,613 --> 00:54:33,493
Speaker 19: like the five grand, which is a lot of money

1057
00:54:33,533 --> 00:54:36,053
Speaker 19: for one, whereas you get a tenth of that. But

1058
00:54:36,133 --> 00:54:41,853
Speaker 19: they also you get premiums for those smaller amounts than

1059
00:54:41,893 --> 00:54:45,053
Speaker 19: you do for they get it bigger amounts as well,

1060
00:54:45,333 --> 00:54:49,653
Speaker 19: so you get a real good premium for the lower sizes.

1061
00:54:50,693 --> 00:54:50,893
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1062
00:54:51,013 --> 00:54:53,773
Speaker 3: Right, And so Tony, did you you're talking about the

1063
00:54:53,773 --> 00:54:56,213
Speaker 3: physical goal? Was this goal that you purchased from a

1064
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:58,973
Speaker 3: New Zealand producer or did you go internationally?

1065
00:55:00,773 --> 00:55:06,413
Speaker 19: I bought it locally, locally here in Auckland. Just stuff

1066
00:55:06,413 --> 00:55:09,533
Speaker 19: they've been traded, you know, a but when no one

1067
00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:12,693
Speaker 19: sort of crap about cold back then you struggle to

1068
00:55:12,733 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 19: get those sort of things. Now, I think there's almost

1069
00:55:16,493 --> 00:55:18,813
Speaker 19: waiting list for you know, you've got to pay a

1070
00:55:18,853 --> 00:55:23,212
Speaker 19: premium to get gold into the country now, and there's

1071
00:55:23,253 --> 00:55:28,093
Speaker 19: not a lot of it available because of the worldwide demand. Yeah,

1072
00:55:28,133 --> 00:55:30,413
Speaker 19: I think they said that there's only three percent of

1073
00:55:30,453 --> 00:55:36,413
Speaker 19: the world's population have actually got gold, and like of

1074
00:55:36,533 --> 00:55:41,172
Speaker 19: that doubled, you know, your supply and demand goes up.

1075
00:55:42,173 --> 00:55:43,613
Speaker 19: So yeah, So.

1076
00:55:45,173 --> 00:55:47,973
Speaker 2: Sorry, Tony, do you having gold does that make you

1077
00:55:48,133 --> 00:55:49,893
Speaker 2: feel more secure?

1078
00:55:51,373 --> 00:55:51,533
Speaker 20: Well?

1079
00:55:51,573 --> 00:55:53,413
Speaker 19: I bought it. The reason I bought it was for

1080
00:55:54,493 --> 00:55:59,853
Speaker 19: I'm now semi retired or whatever, and like I thought,

1081
00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:02,293
Speaker 19: like cash in the tenth of an ounce of I

1082
00:56:02,413 --> 00:56:05,853
Speaker 19: wanted to upgrade from my bentson and whatever and that

1083
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:09,493
Speaker 19: you know, things got tough or whatever you can get

1084
00:56:09,533 --> 00:56:12,053
Speaker 19: by or whatever. But I haven't had to do that

1085
00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:15,493
Speaker 19: so far. So you could ride the wave as long

1086
00:56:15,533 --> 00:56:17,053
Speaker 19: as you can, can you yep?

1087
00:56:17,533 --> 00:56:17,732
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1088
00:56:17,933 --> 00:56:18,453
Speaker 2: Very true.

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00:56:18,733 --> 00:56:22,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Tony, you don't I take it that. Have

1090
00:56:22,453 --> 00:56:25,893
Speaker 3: you diversified or is it pretty much all in gold?

1091
00:56:26,853 --> 00:56:30,733
Speaker 19: I've got a I haven't got a lot invest And

1092
00:56:30,813 --> 00:56:34,893
Speaker 19: to be fair, I believe in doing things that you

1093
00:56:34,893 --> 00:56:39,333
Speaker 19: get the return from. We haven't got you know, you're

1094
00:56:39,333 --> 00:56:43,653
Speaker 19: not got outside influences where things can go wrong. So

1095
00:56:43,813 --> 00:56:45,693
Speaker 19: I'm a believer in doing things yourself.

1096
00:56:45,813 --> 00:56:46,692
Speaker 3: Yep, fair enough too.

1097
00:56:46,773 --> 00:56:50,533
Speaker 19: But yeah, yeah, but Tony, thank.

1098
00:56:50,453 --> 00:56:53,493
Speaker 3: You very much. Very interesting. Yeah, it sounds like the

1099
00:56:53,493 --> 00:56:55,212
Speaker 3: physical gold is the way to go, and I think

1100
00:56:55,213 --> 00:56:57,733
Speaker 3: most of these guys would do that if you invest

1101
00:56:57,773 --> 00:56:57,933
Speaker 3: in it.

1102
00:56:58,053 --> 00:56:59,893
Speaker 2: Well, the great thing about gold, well, the interesting one

1103
00:56:59,893 --> 00:57:03,413
Speaker 2: of the interesting things about gold is how thin you

1104
00:57:03,413 --> 00:57:06,413
Speaker 2: can pound it. So you know, when you talk about

1105
00:57:06,413 --> 00:57:12,093
Speaker 2: gold being using electronics, you can really hammering down to

1106
00:57:12,133 --> 00:57:14,733
Speaker 2: be so very very thin. Yeah, I mean you probably

1107
00:57:14,733 --> 00:57:18,173
Speaker 2: remember those stories the used to have of serving you know,

1108
00:57:18,253 --> 00:57:22,293
Speaker 2: desserts and really stupidly fancy restaurants. Well, I mean it's

1109
00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:26,093
Speaker 2: pretty ghost, isn't it. But well you'd have gold, like

1110
00:57:26,133 --> 00:57:28,173
Speaker 2: a slither of gold on top of gold stream.

1111
00:57:28,213 --> 00:57:28,373
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1112
00:57:28,453 --> 00:57:31,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, Approximately eleven percent of all gold produced is used

1113
00:57:31,613 --> 00:57:35,733
Speaker 2: in industry at this stage. Eleven percent of that. Yeah,

1114
00:57:35,773 --> 00:57:37,493
Speaker 2: it's a good chunk. But there's there's quite a lot

1115
00:57:37,493 --> 00:57:41,013
Speaker 2: of gold and abandoned laptops and abandoned phones. You know,

1116
00:57:41,053 --> 00:57:42,373
Speaker 2: there's a bit of gold that you could get there,

1117
00:57:42,413 --> 00:57:46,933
Speaker 2: you could, you'd mind that. Hey, but I've got a question, okay, okay,

1118
00:57:48,773 --> 00:57:51,933
Speaker 2: of all the gold that has been pulled out of

1119
00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:54,933
Speaker 2: the ground produced in all of humanity, how many Olympic

1120
00:57:55,053 --> 00:57:57,453
Speaker 2: sized swimming pools would that fell?

1121
00:57:58,133 --> 00:58:01,093
Speaker 3: So all the gold, that's a great question.

1122
00:58:01,093 --> 00:58:06,653
Speaker 2: Ever produced by humans, how many Olympic swimming pools roughly

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00:58:06,693 --> 00:58:07,293
Speaker 2: would it fill?

1124
00:58:07,373 --> 00:58:10,053
Speaker 3: All right, if you think you know N two is

1125
00:58:10,133 --> 00:58:12,453
Speaker 3: the text number. I'm going to write down my answer

1126
00:58:12,493 --> 00:58:15,893
Speaker 3: here and we'll get an answer on that just after

1127
00:58:15,933 --> 00:58:18,613
Speaker 3: the headlines with Wendy, which is coming up. It is

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00:58:18,653 --> 00:58:22,733
Speaker 3: twenty nine PUS two US.

1129
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Speaker 12: Talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no

1130
00:58:25,613 --> 00:58:28,613
Speaker 12: trouble with a blue bubble. Winston Peters has revealed a

1131
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:31,933
Speaker 12: plan for two new rail enabled Cook Straight ferries for

1132
00:58:31,973 --> 00:58:34,973
Speaker 12: the inter Island, a fleet in twenty twenty nine, smaller

1133
00:58:34,973 --> 00:58:37,973
Speaker 12: than the bear conditioned by the last government, but bigger

1134
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:41,413
Speaker 12: than the current vessels. Wellington's port side facilities will be

1135
00:58:41,493 --> 00:58:45,453
Speaker 12: modified and reused, but new infrastructure will be built in

1136
00:58:45,533 --> 00:58:49,173
Speaker 12: pict In. A contract will be awarded this year. The

1137
00:58:49,213 --> 00:58:52,813
Speaker 12: Greens are accusing Winston Peters of attacking the Rainbow community

1138
00:58:53,133 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 12: after he drew attention to past sexually suggest a post

1139
00:58:56,453 --> 00:58:59,573
Speaker 12: by Benjamin Doyle in a private forum before he was

1140
00:58:59,573 --> 00:59:03,653
Speaker 12: in parliament. Doyle's received death threats against the family and

1141
00:59:03,693 --> 00:59:07,373
Speaker 12: it's away from Parliament while Parliamentary Services work to manage

1142
00:59:07,453 --> 00:59:12,133
Speaker 12: the risk. Criticism of Auckland University's proposal to merge its

1143
00:59:12,253 --> 00:59:16,093
Speaker 12: law school with the business and economics faculty, your Terseary

1144
00:59:16,213 --> 00:59:19,693
Speaker 12: Education Union says the proposals weak and it caused problems

1145
00:59:19,693 --> 00:59:23,613
Speaker 12: for teaching and researching law. A person's been flown to

1146
00:59:23,773 --> 00:59:26,973
Speaker 12: waycutt Or Hospital and a critical condition after a two

1147
00:59:27,053 --> 00:59:31,853
Speaker 12: vehicle crash in kuttang Haka Gorge near Waikenel Hallenstein's profit

1148
00:59:31,933 --> 00:59:34,533
Speaker 12: had to buy tough New Zealand market. Read more at

1149
00:59:34,653 --> 00:59:37,693
Speaker 12: ends at Herald Premium. Now back to Matt and Taylor.

1150
00:59:37,893 --> 00:59:40,293
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy and having a great discussion

1151
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:44,693
Speaker 3: about gold there. This is based on a story out

1152
00:59:44,693 --> 00:59:47,813
Speaker 3: of the New Zealand Herald about some cautions if you're

1153
00:59:47,853 --> 00:59:50,493
Speaker 3: going all in on investing in gold. But it's certainly

1154
00:59:50,533 --> 00:59:53,693
Speaker 3: become very popular in the last few years, and we

1155
00:59:53,813 --> 00:59:57,253
Speaker 3: know that the price of gold has skyrocketed in the

1156
00:59:57,333 --> 00:59:58,253
Speaker 3: last three or four years.

1157
00:59:58,333 --> 01:00:01,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, we absolutely love gold humans, but it doesn't provide

1158
01:00:01,253 --> 01:00:03,973
Speaker 2: a dividend or interest in owning the physical metal comes

1159
01:00:03,973 --> 01:00:07,613
Speaker 2: with other costs such as storage and insurance. But a

1160
01:00:08,413 --> 01:00:10,453
Speaker 2: before the Yews, I asked the question, how many Olympic

1161
01:00:10,493 --> 01:00:14,773
Speaker 2: swing pools full of gold have humans produced? And when

1162
01:00:14,813 --> 01:00:16,493
Speaker 2: I say produced this, you know I've got a text

1163
01:00:16,533 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 2: here saying humans have produced no gold. I get that

1164
01:00:18,733 --> 01:00:22,173
Speaker 2: alchemy wasn't a thing. We haven't actually produced any gold,

1165
01:00:22,453 --> 01:00:26,813
Speaker 2: but we have. We have mine gold, We've processed gold.

1166
01:00:26,813 --> 01:00:30,213
Speaker 2: How much gold have we got currently? So there's one

1167
01:00:30,293 --> 01:00:35,413
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty seven thousand metric tons, there's two hundred

1168
01:00:35,413 --> 01:00:37,933
Speaker 2: and forty four thousand metric tons of gold one hundred

1169
01:00:37,933 --> 01:00:41,373
Speaker 2: and eighty seven metric tons historically produced plus current underground

1170
01:00:41,413 --> 01:00:44,573
Speaker 2: re serves of fifty seven metric tons. Okay, so how

1171
01:00:44,573 --> 01:00:45,773
Speaker 2: many swiming pools were that fill?

1172
01:00:46,413 --> 01:00:49,613
Speaker 3: I don't want to say my answer anymore. You're gonna

1173
01:00:49,653 --> 01:00:50,133
Speaker 3: laugh at.

1174
01:00:49,973 --> 01:00:53,813
Speaker 2: Me, oh will Yeah, one thousand. There, I told you

1175
01:00:54,173 --> 01:00:54,733
Speaker 2: a thousand.

1176
01:00:55,333 --> 01:00:57,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean then you started doing the calculations.

1177
01:00:58,333 --> 01:01:01,453
Speaker 2: This person says five thousand, six hundred and eighty. This

1178
01:01:01,493 --> 01:01:04,733
Speaker 2: person says, Another person says one thousand Olympic pl swinging pools.

1179
01:01:04,733 --> 01:01:08,173
Speaker 2: This person says five hundred, This person says eighty. The

1180
01:01:08,453 --> 01:01:11,493
Speaker 2: pusiness is easily less than one. Lessen one, lessen one,

1181
01:01:11,573 --> 01:01:17,533
Speaker 2: lessen one, listen one. Well, the correct answer is just

1182
01:01:17,693 --> 01:01:21,653
Speaker 2: under four Olympic sized swimming pools. So, and all the

1183
01:01:21,773 --> 01:01:23,853
Speaker 2: history of all the gold would pull out of the grounds,

1184
01:01:23,853 --> 01:01:25,613
Speaker 2: through all the wars that have been fought, and all

1185
01:01:25,653 --> 01:01:29,613
Speaker 2: the talk and all the glittering in our eyes, yeah,

1186
01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:35,373
Speaker 2: and all the murders and death, it's less than four

1187
01:01:35,453 --> 01:01:38,693
Speaker 2: Olympic sized swimming pools. Yeah, with a full of gold.

1188
01:01:38,853 --> 01:01:39,573
Speaker 3: That is fascinating.

1189
01:01:39,613 --> 01:01:41,333
Speaker 2: I mean, to be fair, it is heavy, Yeah, it

1190
01:01:41,413 --> 01:01:42,093
Speaker 2: is heavy stuff.

1191
01:01:42,133 --> 01:01:44,853
Speaker 3: But that's why just having one of those bullions, yeah,

1192
01:01:44,973 --> 01:01:46,773
Speaker 3: would be a great thing. Oh one hundred and eighty

1193
01:01:46,773 --> 01:01:50,053
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call, But you reckon

1194
01:01:50,093 --> 01:01:51,093
Speaker 3: it's a great investment.

1195
01:01:52,813 --> 01:01:54,253
Speaker 15: My My point is, I.

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01:01:54,173 --> 01:01:57,093
Speaker 20: Think it's really really good having a possessed if you

1197
01:01:57,173 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 20: can help get your hold onto a physical goal.

1198
01:02:01,013 --> 01:02:03,693
Speaker 2: Have you have you got? Where do you keep your goal?

1199
01:02:03,773 --> 01:02:05,653
Speaker 2: Where is your goal that you own stored.

1200
01:02:07,373 --> 01:02:08,133
Speaker 6: Like we do have.

1201
01:02:08,813 --> 01:02:12,173
Speaker 20: I gonna tell you guys, just.

1202
01:02:13,013 --> 01:02:14,533
Speaker 2: Give us the GPS location.

1203
01:02:18,413 --> 01:02:22,933
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, history. I don't think gold price ever gone

1204
01:02:22,933 --> 01:02:28,133
Speaker 20: down because well the population you know, China and India,

1205
01:02:28,853 --> 01:02:31,213
Speaker 20: if it ever goes down, they're gonna buy and it's

1206
01:02:31,253 --> 01:02:32,333
Speaker 20: gonna go up again.

1207
01:02:33,373 --> 01:02:33,653
Speaker 15: M hm.

1208
01:02:34,333 --> 01:02:37,333
Speaker 20: And and the other is that a lot of Federal

1209
01:02:37,373 --> 01:02:41,613
Speaker 20: Reserve and the London securities they have heaps and heaps

1210
01:02:41,613 --> 01:02:45,493
Speaker 20: of goals sitting in the New York and somewhere there

1211
01:02:45,573 --> 01:02:50,293
Speaker 20: by Stoke Exchange. They got their volt big big wolves there.

1212
01:02:51,733 --> 01:02:57,853
Speaker 20: So whenever you know the old Yeah, it's a bit

1213
01:02:58,653 --> 01:03:01,933
Speaker 20: a commercial thing in their point that whenever the prize

1214
01:03:01,933 --> 01:03:06,853
Speaker 20: goes down, they start selling their bond gold bonds. But

1215
01:03:06,973 --> 01:03:11,973
Speaker 20: that's how the gun.

1216
01:03:13,093 --> 01:03:15,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for you cool, but just on that point

1217
01:03:15,493 --> 01:03:18,333
Speaker 3: that golden never goes down. There, there's categorically not yet.

1218
01:03:18,373 --> 01:03:19,333
Speaker 2: It definitely fluctuates.

1219
01:03:19,413 --> 01:03:21,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I see that there was a quite

1220
01:03:21,693 --> 01:03:25,053
Speaker 3: a big dip in twenty twelve. And yeah, it goes

1221
01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:28,173
Speaker 3: up and down all the time, but steadily over certainly

1222
01:03:28,213 --> 01:03:32,893
Speaker 3: over the last five years, has been going up quite significantly.

1223
01:03:33,893 --> 01:03:36,573
Speaker 2: Guys, easy answer. If you had a loaf of bread

1224
01:03:36,653 --> 01:03:38,373
Speaker 2: or a bar of gold at the end of the world,

1225
01:03:38,613 --> 01:03:40,773
Speaker 2: it's easy to see what you would choose, unless you're

1226
01:03:40,773 --> 01:03:44,133
Speaker 2: an idiot. Well, I mean, I guess, I mean, right

1227
01:03:44,173 --> 01:03:47,573
Speaker 2: now you could have. You know, if someone offered you

1228
01:03:47,693 --> 01:03:50,373
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars or a loaf of bread, you know

1229
01:03:50,453 --> 01:03:54,373
Speaker 2: you would keep the gold if the gold could be

1230
01:03:54,453 --> 01:03:57,093
Speaker 2: used to buy other products. That's how our currency works,

1231
01:03:57,093 --> 01:04:00,253
Speaker 2: and lots of bread and gold has been used as

1232
01:04:00,253 --> 01:04:02,613
Speaker 2: a currency for a very long time for that reason.

1233
01:04:03,053 --> 01:04:06,453
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't eat money, No, you can't. You

1234
01:04:06,453 --> 01:04:10,933
Speaker 2: can't eat dollar. That's not a thing exactly.

1235
01:04:11,613 --> 01:04:14,373
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1236
01:04:17,173 --> 01:04:18,773
Speaker 2: Having gold is crazy. You dig it out of the

1237
01:04:18,813 --> 01:04:21,373
Speaker 2: ground and then store it in a safe gives no joy.

1238
01:04:21,413 --> 01:04:23,373
Speaker 2: And if the world got that bad, would you hand

1239
01:04:23,453 --> 01:04:25,173
Speaker 2: over a lump of gold for a loaf of bread.

1240
01:04:25,533 --> 01:04:28,853
Speaker 2: If things get real bad, the precious thing will be water.

1241
01:04:29,013 --> 01:04:32,453
Speaker 2: Betty Yeah, good text yep spot on, Betty. Well, if

1242
01:04:32,453 --> 01:04:35,173
Speaker 2: you watch post of pop, if you watch post apocalypse

1243
01:04:35,453 --> 01:04:39,693
Speaker 2: movies like the Mad Max series, then generally the resource

1244
01:04:39,693 --> 01:04:41,173
Speaker 2: everyone's finding for is oil.

1245
01:04:41,453 --> 01:04:44,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, gasoline, that's what we want. Oh eight hundred eighty

1246
01:04:44,733 --> 01:04:47,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty. See number to call it is twenty two to.

1247
01:04:47,253 --> 01:04:52,093
Speaker 1: Three Mattith Taylor Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

1248
01:04:52,173 --> 01:04:55,573
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Matten Taylor afternoons with the Volvo

1249
01:04:55,853 --> 01:04:59,613
Speaker 1: xc N eighty tick every box, a seamless experience awaits

1250
01:04:59,733 --> 01:05:00,253
Speaker 1: news talks.

1251
01:05:00,253 --> 01:05:02,853
Speaker 3: They'd be just a reminder to listen out for the

1252
01:05:02,933 --> 01:05:05,493
Speaker 3: queue to call, where we'll give you an opportunity to

1253
01:05:05,533 --> 01:05:08,013
Speaker 3: win five hundred bucks cash anger in the drawer to

1254
01:05:08,053 --> 01:05:11,253
Speaker 3: win the the ultimate prize pack for a trip to

1255
01:05:11,293 --> 01:05:13,693
Speaker 3: the beautiful New Way that is coming up very shortly.

1256
01:05:13,733 --> 01:05:15,253
Speaker 3: But in the meantime we're talking gold.

1257
01:05:15,893 --> 01:05:16,093
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1258
01:05:16,093 --> 01:05:17,893
Speaker 2: This text A nine two nine two says we had

1259
01:05:18,253 --> 01:05:19,773
Speaker 2: a lot of gold in the nineties. We kept it

1260
01:05:19,813 --> 01:05:22,373
Speaker 2: in socks in the garden. Luckily we knew and remembered

1261
01:05:22,373 --> 01:05:26,293
Speaker 2: where it was, no insurance, no security costs either. In

1262
01:05:26,453 --> 01:05:29,053
Speaker 2: socks in the garden. I'd put it in something else

1263
01:05:29,253 --> 01:05:30,933
Speaker 2: just so that's just in socks in the garden.

1264
01:05:31,053 --> 01:05:31,253
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1265
01:05:31,293 --> 01:05:33,053
Speaker 3: And the fact they almost forgot about it. If you've

1266
01:05:33,093 --> 01:05:35,653
Speaker 3: got gold ingots in the garden, I'm not forgetting about that.

1267
01:05:35,853 --> 01:05:38,373
Speaker 2: I saw Dame LESA Carrington's gold medals and she was

1268
01:05:38,453 --> 01:05:40,973
Speaker 2: keeping them all in a pillar case.

1269
01:05:41,173 --> 01:05:41,373
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1270
01:05:41,493 --> 01:05:42,893
Speaker 2: So the egg there's a bit of gold on that.

1271
01:05:43,453 --> 01:05:44,933
Speaker 2: So a lot of people have been asking when did

1272
01:05:44,973 --> 01:05:49,973
Speaker 2: gold first become valuable. They've got evidence of people desiring

1273
01:05:50,373 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 2: gold since as far back as three thy one hundred

1274
01:05:54,733 --> 01:05:57,773
Speaker 2: BC in Egypt. Wow, so it goes back a long way.

1275
01:05:57,853 --> 01:05:58,253
Speaker 2: I love of it.

1276
01:05:58,493 --> 01:05:58,693
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1277
01:05:58,813 --> 01:06:00,693
Speaker 2: So by that theory that we heard before, that's when

1278
01:06:00,733 --> 01:06:03,213
Speaker 2: the aliens came down and they said, you will now

1279
01:06:03,373 --> 01:06:05,893
Speaker 2: love gold humans, and you will focus a lot of

1280
01:06:05,933 --> 01:06:09,013
Speaker 2: your resources on digging up gold and put that into

1281
01:06:09,093 --> 01:06:11,853
Speaker 2: our minds. And we keep doing that forever, and then

1282
01:06:11,893 --> 01:06:13,653
Speaker 2: they're going to come back and grab that gold off us.

1283
01:06:13,693 --> 01:06:15,173
Speaker 3: There's something deep about it and it. I mean, we're

1284
01:06:15,173 --> 01:06:17,773
Speaker 3: pretty much just met pies, aren't we. That we like shiny,

1285
01:06:17,813 --> 01:06:21,853
Speaker 3: whether it's gold, or diamonds. Guys, if you have one

1286
01:06:21,893 --> 01:06:24,533
Speaker 3: million dollars in cash and a million dollars worth of

1287
01:06:24,573 --> 01:06:26,573
Speaker 3: gold in your house and your house burns down, your

1288
01:06:26,693 --> 01:06:27,093
Speaker 3: catch is.

1289
01:06:27,093 --> 01:06:30,813
Speaker 2: Worthless, but you still have gold. Yeah, that's a good point,

1290
01:06:30,893 --> 01:06:33,133
Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, the cash, I'll tell you what cash

1291
01:06:33,173 --> 01:06:38,773
Speaker 2: does burn. Yeah, we've seen it. I burn cash every day. Jason,

1292
01:06:39,213 --> 01:06:39,933
Speaker 2: welcome the show.

1293
01:06:41,093 --> 01:06:41,813
Speaker 8: Yeah, how's it going?

1294
01:06:43,013 --> 01:06:46,533
Speaker 3: You're not quite wrong or we're having with Jason? Just

1295
01:06:46,573 --> 01:06:49,573
Speaker 3: told there mate, we're having a terrible time with phones today.

1296
01:06:49,973 --> 01:06:51,453
Speaker 3: Just take a step to the left and right and

1297
01:06:51,533 --> 01:06:53,493
Speaker 3: keep chatting with us. Hopefully that stabilizes.

1298
01:06:54,333 --> 01:06:55,573
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, there we go.

1299
01:06:55,693 --> 01:07:02,373
Speaker 3: Yep, you good, yep, perfect, right. Yeah, so put you

1300
01:07:02,453 --> 01:07:04,533
Speaker 3: back to Andrew. Andrew, can you just have a chat

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01:07:04,573 --> 01:07:06,893
Speaker 3: to Jason's if we can sort out their phone line please.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we'd love to hear what you have to say. Jason, loke.

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about the intrinsic value of gold?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it goes We sort of touched on it before.

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Speaker 6: It goes back to when like gold was the original

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01:07:23,933 --> 01:07:27,453
Speaker 6: money back in the day, and it has an intrinsic

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01:07:27,573 --> 01:07:30,493
Speaker 6: value in that it doesn't disappear, it's not back then

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01:07:30,533 --> 01:07:33,053
Speaker 6: you're looking at trading in various things. You can like

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01:07:33,173 --> 01:07:35,413
Speaker 6: apple's would be a currency, but they don't last very long.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:39,573
Speaker 6: So gold, you can heat it and call it as

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01:07:39,613 --> 01:07:42,533
Speaker 6: many times as you want. Its molecular structure doesn't change

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01:07:42,573 --> 01:07:45,413
Speaker 6: when it goes through that process, when it's melted down

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01:07:45,653 --> 01:07:49,213
Speaker 6: and called again, it doesn't corrode away in the natural

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01:07:49,253 --> 01:07:52,973
Speaker 6: sort of environment. There's all those sorts of things that

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01:07:54,573 --> 01:07:57,933
Speaker 6: that back then were an issue around what you're trading with,

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01:07:58,053 --> 01:07:59,933
Speaker 6: and gold was one of the things that they discovered

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01:07:59,973 --> 01:08:03,933
Speaker 6: that was great because it was always around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was reading this. I saw this interesting documentary,

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01:08:06,653 --> 01:08:10,693
Speaker 2: Luke on early days of America, you know, the US,

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01:08:10,773 --> 01:08:12,653
Speaker 2: after they that you know, first Constitution came in, they

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01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:18,773
Speaker 2: were running in parts of the country a tobacco tobacco

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01:08:19,253 --> 01:08:22,173
Speaker 2: as as currency problem. The problem with that is you,

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01:08:22,372 --> 01:08:25,253
Speaker 2: as you say, gold stays the same, but you can

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01:08:25,772 --> 01:08:27,612
Speaker 2: sell tobacco and sell it back and then the person

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01:08:27,652 --> 01:08:31,452
Speaker 2: will give you inferior tobacco, you know, whereas gold you

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01:08:31,572 --> 01:08:33,812
Speaker 2: can see how many carrots it is, it doesn't become

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01:08:33,812 --> 01:08:36,532
Speaker 2: an inferior product product you can easily you can easily

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Speaker 2: check on that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the interesting things as countries have gone away from

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01:08:41,772 --> 01:08:47,013
Speaker 6: a gold back currency. It was Maynard Kings who who

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01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:50,612
Speaker 6: was the one of the main guys behind Kenesian economic

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01:08:51,812 --> 01:08:54,692
Speaker 6: sort of system slash theory. He said that if you

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01:08:54,812 --> 01:08:57,093
Speaker 6: go away from a gold back currency, you have to

1335
01:08:57,213 --> 01:08:59,412
Speaker 6: be very very careful with what you do. You have

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01:08:59,492 --> 01:09:02,852
Speaker 6: to have the right minds driving your economy, or you're

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01:09:03,732 --> 01:09:08,013
Speaker 6: reserved bank for example, because the interests you don't have

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01:09:08,173 --> 01:09:12,932
Speaker 6: that steady base behind the currency. You have a little

1339
01:09:13,013 --> 01:09:19,452
Speaker 6: more than then people's minds in their hands moving interest rates,

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01:09:19,492 --> 01:09:22,333
Speaker 6: et cetera. And you could argue that that the situation

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01:09:22,492 --> 01:09:25,253
Speaker 6: New Zealand's and now would perhaps not be quite as

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01:09:25,333 --> 01:09:30,012
Speaker 6: bad if you had a base level to work from

1343
01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:33,492
Speaker 6: rather than just reserve bank governors.

1344
01:09:33,772 --> 01:09:37,692
Speaker 2: Does that limit growth though? If you know that growth

1345
01:09:37,772 --> 01:09:41,333
Speaker 2: can only be how much gold you can actually get

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01:09:41,333 --> 01:09:43,532
Speaker 2: hold of as a country, it.

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01:09:45,173 --> 01:09:51,812
Speaker 6: Could it. It means your, yeah, your economy has to

1348
01:09:51,973 --> 01:09:59,013
Speaker 6: move within I guess closer boundaries. So yeah, yes, and.

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01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:01,213
Speaker 2: Yes, yes to know, because I mean that's the value

1350
01:10:01,293 --> 01:10:03,652
Speaker 2: you know, the value of your dollar goes goes.

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01:10:03,692 --> 01:10:05,532
Speaker 6: Up and down, So yeah, I mean the converse to

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01:10:05,612 --> 01:10:08,412
Speaker 6: that is that countries can then find themselves in and

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01:10:09,532 --> 01:10:14,412
Speaker 6: you know, up the creek, so to speak, because because

1354
01:10:14,412 --> 01:10:18,053
Speaker 6: they've printed so much money and they have nothing behind it,

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01:10:19,532 --> 01:10:24,452
Speaker 6: and yes, the price can plummet. In the late nineties

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01:10:24,492 --> 01:10:27,013
Speaker 6: mid nineties, Japan dumped the whole heap of money, a

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01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:29,932
Speaker 6: whole heap of gold on the market when their economy

1358
01:10:30,093 --> 01:10:33,133
Speaker 6: fell into trouble, and that pushed the price right down

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01:10:35,093 --> 01:10:38,053
Speaker 6: and it's climbed back obviously since then. But all it

1360
01:10:38,053 --> 01:10:42,333
Speaker 6: would take is a reasonable sized country with a good

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01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:47,772
Speaker 6: holding to find themselves and economic strife dump their stores

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01:10:47,812 --> 01:10:51,133
Speaker 6: on the market. And yeah, thanks so.

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01:10:51,213 --> 01:10:54,452
Speaker 2: Much for you call, Luke. Yeah. And the other massive

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01:10:54,452 --> 01:10:56,612
Speaker 2: advantage of gold, of course, is that are a gold

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01:10:56,692 --> 01:10:59,333
Speaker 2: nugget of As I was saying before, five millimeters can

1366
01:10:59,492 --> 01:11:04,293
Speaker 2: be hammered out into gold foil of you know, half

1367
01:11:04,293 --> 01:11:05,012
Speaker 2: a meter squared.

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01:11:05,173 --> 01:11:05,852
Speaker 3: That's impressive.

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01:11:06,013 --> 01:11:08,612
Speaker 2: So that's something it can do, and that's why you

1370
01:11:08,652 --> 01:11:10,652
Speaker 2: can get gold plated watches.

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01:11:10,692 --> 01:11:11,093
Speaker 6: And the like.

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01:11:11,333 --> 01:11:15,892
Speaker 3: Absolutely very good. Right right now it is thirteen to three.

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01:11:17,412 --> 01:11:20,612
Speaker 1: We in an authentic Pacific getaway like no other thanks

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01:11:20,692 --> 01:11:23,492
Speaker 1: to New a Island call now for eight hundred eighty

1375
01:11:23,612 --> 01:11:24,973
Speaker 1: ten eighty used talk said b.

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01:11:26,853 --> 01:11:28,532
Speaker 2: The issues that affect you and.

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01:11:28,652 --> 01:11:30,972
Speaker 1: A bit of fun along the Way, Matt and Taylor

1378
01:11:31,093 --> 01:11:35,293
Speaker 1: Afternoons with the Volvo XC to eighty Innovation, style and design.

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01:11:35,492 --> 01:11:38,253
Speaker 2: Have it all you talk, said Bright.

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Speaker 1: We in an authentic Pacific getaway like no other. Thankston

1381
01:11:42,933 --> 01:11:46,333
Speaker 1: Newland and Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 11: Yes.

1383
01:11:48,013 --> 01:11:50,612
Speaker 3: Now we want to get you in three of your friends,

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01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:54,173
Speaker 3: family mates, the beautiful New Way Island. But first we

1385
01:11:54,253 --> 01:11:56,732
Speaker 3: need someone to answer a question. Five hundred bucks could

1386
01:11:56,772 --> 01:11:58,892
Speaker 3: be yours. If you're the first one three with the answer,

1387
01:11:58,973 --> 01:12:02,932
Speaker 3: call us now on Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty Mike,

1388
01:12:03,053 --> 01:12:04,333
Speaker 3: Good afternoon.

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01:12:05,053 --> 01:12:05,933
Speaker 6: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, you'll you would love New Way. I tell

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01:12:09,933 --> 01:12:14,133
Speaker 2: her you would love. It's very safe, it's not over commercialized,

1392
01:12:14,893 --> 01:12:17,412
Speaker 2: so you can be assured of an authentic experience. But

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01:12:18,093 --> 01:12:21,652
Speaker 2: for five hundred dollars, Mike, you just have to answer

1394
01:12:21,732 --> 01:12:23,612
Speaker 2: this question. Are you ready?

1395
01:12:25,372 --> 01:12:25,972
Speaker 8: I am ready?

1396
01:12:26,293 --> 01:12:29,172
Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, you'll have five seconds from when I finished

1397
01:12:29,253 --> 01:12:29,972
Speaker 2: asking the question.

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01:12:30,213 --> 01:12:30,692
Speaker 5: Here we go.

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01:12:31,412 --> 01:12:35,772
Speaker 2: What currency is used in New A, New Zealand?

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01:12:41,133 --> 01:12:43,253
Speaker 3: You beauty and what are you going to use that

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01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:43,652
Speaker 3: money for?

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01:12:43,853 --> 01:12:44,053
Speaker 4: Mike?

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01:12:45,572 --> 01:12:47,852
Speaker 6: Well, I think we could split towards the trip and

1404
01:12:47,973 --> 01:12:49,772
Speaker 6: save it up. You get a little bit.

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01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:52,692
Speaker 3: More and got in u a very good and you're

1406
01:12:52,732 --> 01:12:55,053
Speaker 3: in the drawer for that ultimate prize packed to New

1407
01:12:55,093 --> 01:12:55,572
Speaker 3: Way as well.

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01:12:55,692 --> 01:12:55,852
Speaker 6: Mike.

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01:12:55,893 --> 01:12:59,412
Speaker 3: And just a reminder to everybody that's return flights for

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01:12:59,532 --> 01:13:01,692
Speaker 3: Ford in New Way seven nights for four and two

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01:13:01,772 --> 01:13:05,093
Speaker 3: deluxe rooms including daily breakfast, choice of either a one

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01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:07,972
Speaker 3: day fishing charter for four or a day's dive snorkeling

1413
01:13:08,053 --> 01:13:10,293
Speaker 3: charter seven day vehicle rental on an island tour. That

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01:13:10,333 --> 01:13:14,173
Speaker 3: sounds pretty good, then, I Mike, Oh, that sounds so good. Yep,

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01:13:14,372 --> 01:13:17,093
Speaker 3: very good. And I'm going to say, mate, what would

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01:13:17,093 --> 01:13:18,932
Speaker 3: you do out of the fishing charter or the dive

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01:13:19,013 --> 01:13:19,732
Speaker 3: snorkling if.

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01:13:19,652 --> 01:13:23,213
Speaker 2: That was your the dive snorkeling, I think, yeah, the

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01:13:23,333 --> 01:13:26,292
Speaker 2: clearest water in the Pacific. He got eighty meters visibility

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01:13:26,333 --> 01:13:26,772
Speaker 2: in places.

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01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:27,692
Speaker 3: Yep, very good.

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01:13:27,732 --> 01:13:28,532
Speaker 2: Well that is that.

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Speaker 3: That's our five hundred dollars daily prize for today. Congratulations Mike.

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01:13:33,053 --> 01:13:36,213
Speaker 3: And now that you, our dear listeners, have got today's answers,

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Speaker 3: you can head to newstalkzb dot co dot nz and

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Speaker 3: submit that answer to be in for Friday's grand prize

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Speaker 3: draw for that amazing prize. Fans to New a island

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Speaker 3: flights for fort seven nights, accommodation excursions, a real Pacific

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Speaker 3: island adventure. Love it Right Before we move on to

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01:13:54,732 --> 01:13:56,812
Speaker 3: our next topic, We're going to wrap up this conversation

1431
01:13:56,973 --> 01:14:00,412
Speaker 3: with had about gold and turns out a lot of

1432
01:14:00,692 --> 01:14:06,012
Speaker 3: fans about investing in gold, guys, and interesting watching gold training.

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01:14:06,692 --> 01:14:10,213
Speaker 3: Smuggling is a four parts gold mafia. It's an Al

1434
01:14:10,253 --> 01:14:11,932
Speaker 3: Jazeera production gold smuggling.

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01:14:12,093 --> 01:14:14,093
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I check that. Hey, guys, unless you have

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01:14:14,133 --> 01:14:16,932
Speaker 2: physical possession of gold, you will lose it if something

1437
01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:19,772
Speaker 2: goes bad with the company. It's happened a number of

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01:14:19,853 --> 01:14:23,293
Speaker 2: times and even in New Zealand from Mark. Yeah, I mean, look,

1439
01:14:23,333 --> 01:14:26,372
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't have any gold, but I quite

1440
01:14:26,452 --> 01:14:30,893
Speaker 2: like the idea of actually if I did, actually physically

1441
01:14:31,213 --> 01:14:35,173
Speaker 2: owning it and burying it and having a map. Yeah,

1442
01:14:35,452 --> 01:14:37,293
Speaker 2: it'll be something nice about that. I like that idea

1443
01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:40,253
Speaker 2: about it because you know, you definitely want to if

1444
01:14:40,253 --> 01:14:42,133
Speaker 2: you're going to invest in gold, you definitely want to

1445
01:14:42,173 --> 01:14:47,093
Speaker 2: invest in a very stable and respectable institution.

1446
01:14:47,412 --> 01:14:47,612
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1447
01:14:48,133 --> 01:14:49,932
Speaker 2: Where would you bury it me if I was going

1448
01:14:49,973 --> 01:14:53,692
Speaker 2: to bear it? Yeah? Underneath the third for jo a

1449
01:14:53,772 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 2: tree out the front of my house and Mountain.

1450
01:14:55,853 --> 01:14:59,293
Speaker 3: Noted noted the sticks as Here's guys, gold off and

1451
01:14:59,492 --> 01:15:02,692
Speaker 3: underperforms stocks and bonds over the long term, offers no

1452
01:15:02,893 --> 01:15:05,652
Speaker 3: income like dividends or interest like you said, Matt, and

1453
01:15:05,812 --> 01:15:09,372
Speaker 3: its price can be very volatile and speaktive For most

1454
01:15:09,452 --> 01:15:13,572
Speaker 3: every day investors focused on growth and income, Diversified investments

1455
01:15:13,612 --> 01:15:16,772
Speaker 3: are generally more suitable. Gold can be a reasonable investment

1456
01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:20,452
Speaker 3: for the average person in specific circumstances, primarily as a

1457
01:15:20,612 --> 01:15:24,492
Speaker 3: diversification tool and a hedge against certain economic conditions, rather

1458
01:15:24,572 --> 01:15:27,133
Speaker 3: than a primary growth engine for their portfolio. Was that

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01:15:27,173 --> 01:15:28,493
Speaker 3: written by chet Gipt.

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01:15:28,412 --> 01:15:31,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Well, that's going to plant our

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01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:34,412
Speaker 2: subject that we're talking about in the next hour. This

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01:15:34,492 --> 01:15:38,572
Speaker 2: sextasy has moved my kiwisver to a physically goldback ETF

1463
01:15:38,652 --> 01:15:41,372
Speaker 2: about two years ago. You do the math, Sam, Yeah,

1464
01:15:41,412 --> 01:15:41,732
Speaker 2: there we go.

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01:15:41,893 --> 01:15:45,772
Speaker 3: I will do the math absolutely, guys. Gold I grew

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01:15:45,853 --> 01:15:49,692
Speaker 3: up in a private, family owned gold claim. I played

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01:15:49,732 --> 01:15:52,372
Speaker 3: with gold after school, melted gold into bars for an

1468
01:15:52,372 --> 01:15:55,692
Speaker 3: after school job, and they would keep my hands warm

1469
01:15:55,853 --> 01:15:59,133
Speaker 3: on my walk back from the workshop. We had jars

1470
01:15:59,173 --> 01:16:01,572
Speaker 3: of nuggets hidden in the family home. I now have

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01:16:02,013 --> 01:16:04,852
Speaker 3: no respect nor excitement for the metal. When I look

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01:16:04,893 --> 01:16:07,133
Speaker 3: at it now. It's funny how it has no value

1473
01:16:07,133 --> 01:16:09,253
Speaker 3: on my personal eyes. I suppose I just became numb

1474
01:16:09,333 --> 01:16:12,053
Speaker 3: to the precious, valuable metal. Anyway, just my thoughts while

1475
01:16:12,053 --> 01:16:12,452
Speaker 3: I listened.

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01:16:12,692 --> 01:16:15,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that goes to it, you know, because I

1477
01:16:15,492 --> 01:16:18,612
Speaker 2: mean it arguably has no intrinsic value. I mean it

1478
01:16:19,253 --> 01:16:22,293
Speaker 2: does have, you know, it has a lot of the value.

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01:16:22,333 --> 01:16:24,372
Speaker 2: There is use of it now electronics, as we've talked,

1480
01:16:24,452 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 2: but a lot of it as a social construction. We

1481
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:29,293
Speaker 2: all agree that it is valuable now and will be

1482
01:16:29,412 --> 01:16:30,772
Speaker 2: valued valuable in the future.

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01:16:30,853 --> 01:16:34,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right, good discussion coming up after three o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Let's have a chat about robots. On the back of

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01:16:36,333 --> 01:16:40,213
Speaker 3: Norwegian robotics startup x or one x rather, they plan

1486
01:16:40,372 --> 01:16:43,532
Speaker 3: to start early tests of this humanoid robot they're calling

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01:16:43,652 --> 01:16:46,932
Speaker 3: the O Grammar, which they will get into a few

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01:16:47,013 --> 01:16:48,612
Speaker 3: hundred or a few thousand homes.

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01:16:49,173 --> 01:16:49,372
Speaker 9: Yeah.

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01:16:49,732 --> 01:16:53,693
Speaker 2: So, if you've seen this robot, it's got the friendly faces,

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01:16:54,452 --> 01:16:56,692
Speaker 2: and it's got kind of a friendly face, just some

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01:16:56,812 --> 01:16:59,772
Speaker 2: graphics on it, but it's also wearing sort of a

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01:16:59,853 --> 01:17:02,732
Speaker 2: wooly cardigan all the way down and in your house

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01:17:02,853 --> 01:17:06,133
Speaker 2: vacuuming and in your house doing the laundry. But would

1495
01:17:06,213 --> 01:17:08,253
Speaker 2: you want a robot living in your house? It's coming,

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01:17:08,412 --> 01:17:11,213
Speaker 2: it's powered by AI. Maybe it's five years, maybe it's

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01:17:11,213 --> 01:17:13,333
Speaker 2: ten years. But people will have robots in the house.

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01:17:13,412 --> 01:17:14,973
Speaker 2: But do we need them and do we want them?

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01:17:15,093 --> 01:17:17,812
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty. I'm going to say,

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01:17:17,853 --> 01:17:20,012
Speaker 3: I saw that video of the robe, and I initially

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01:17:20,053 --> 01:17:21,412
Speaker 3: I thought creepy.

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01:17:21,492 --> 01:17:24,173
Speaker 2: But it was pretty handy with the vac lazy, do

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01:17:24,253 --> 01:17:24,852
Speaker 2: your own vacuum.

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01:17:26,772 --> 01:17:28,892
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:17:28,893 --> 01:17:30,372
Speaker 3: to call. Nine two, nine two If you want to

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01:17:30,412 --> 01:17:33,732
Speaker 3: send a text message, You're more than welcome. News Sport

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01:17:33,853 --> 01:17:36,652
Speaker 3: and Weather coming up very shortly. Great to have your

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01:17:36,692 --> 01:17:40,292
Speaker 3: company as always, Matt and Tyler with you until four pm.

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01:17:40,732 --> 01:17:47,892
Speaker 3: News Sport and Weather on its way. Good afternoon, sent down,

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01:17:49,492 --> 01:17:50,492
Speaker 3: Get the party down.

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01:17:50,652 --> 01:18:08,572
Speaker 21: Sound the fish you everybody had budget you everybody its two,

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01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:11,692
Speaker 21: So the three of the four when it's last, Carl

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01:18:11,812 --> 01:18:14,532
Speaker 21: and it kick it out at dark skin kind of lay.

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01:18:14,692 --> 01:18:18,692
Speaker 2: But the ladies want some more. Oh my good lord,

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01:18:19,093 --> 01:18:19,933
Speaker 2: gonna drink some.

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Speaker 21: I'm gonna put me up a double shadow WI then

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Speaker 21: on me and Dale's got a history. There's a part

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Speaker 21: of downtown near fisht Everybody at the barget. I'm gonna

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Speaker 21: pull me up.

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Speaker 2: A double shadows time thet on me.

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Speaker 21: Attack Dale that the bottom of a bottle, do man,

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Speaker 21: everybody had barget. Everybody at the bargain. Everybody at the bargain.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for Insightful And it's a taking talk.

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01:19:00,093 --> 01:19:03,852
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyner Adams afternoons with the Volvo

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Speaker 1: x C ninety on us Talk SIB.

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Speaker 3: We'll get idea. Welcome back into the show seven past

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Speaker 3: three and this is going to be a great discussion.

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Speaker 3: We want to have a chat about robots in the

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Speaker 3: family home. This is on the back of a Norwegian

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01:19:17,612 --> 01:19:20,452
Speaker 3: robotics startup. They call themselves one X. They plan to

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01:19:20,492 --> 01:19:24,492
Speaker 3: start early test of what is a humanoid robot. They

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01:19:24,572 --> 01:19:26,772
Speaker 3: call it neo Gamma getting into people's homes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you've seen these robots, you should look it

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01:19:29,253 --> 01:19:32,652
Speaker 2: up online. Look up Neogamma. So they're kind of wearing

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01:19:32,893 --> 01:19:36,772
Speaker 2: these fabric shirts. They've got a face that is digital

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01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:38,532
Speaker 2: with the smiley face on it. But they're you know,

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01:19:38,572 --> 01:19:42,533
Speaker 2: they're human sized and walk around, can do some vacuumen

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01:19:42,973 --> 01:19:45,492
Speaker 2: might be able to do your laundry. It's still a

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01:19:45,572 --> 01:19:48,093
Speaker 2: long way away from what you see in the likes

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01:19:48,133 --> 01:19:52,972
Speaker 2: of I Robot. They are AI powered with because chet

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01:19:53,053 --> 01:19:57,893
Speaker 2: GBT is in the business with one X and you know,

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01:19:58,173 --> 01:20:00,133
Speaker 2: the plan is to bootstrap it up because they've got

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01:20:00,173 --> 01:20:02,692
Speaker 2: to be in houses to test it. So these are

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Speaker 2: the first robots. Really. What's interesting about it is their

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01:20:04,772 --> 01:20:08,732
Speaker 2: first robots, domestic robots that are going to be tested

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01:20:08,812 --> 01:20:11,213
Speaker 2: outside of the lab. And you've probably watched the Boston

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01:20:11,293 --> 01:20:15,452
Speaker 2: Dynamics videos out there, absolutely terrifying. They build these robots.

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01:20:15,492 --> 01:20:18,772
Speaker 2: They can do parkrps. Now you've got the terrifying dog

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01:20:18,973 --> 01:20:21,812
Speaker 2: robots and if you've seen the Black Mirror episode, you know,

1550
01:20:21,933 --> 01:20:23,333
Speaker 2: put a gun on the top of one of those

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01:20:23,372 --> 01:20:26,133
Speaker 2: and they're pretty terrifying, hunting you down. For some reason,

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01:20:26,173 --> 01:20:28,732
Speaker 2: the people in Boston Dynamics, they seem to bully the robots,

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01:20:28,732 --> 01:20:31,452
Speaker 2: which I don't like. They might remember that yet they're

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01:20:31,452 --> 01:20:32,932
Speaker 2: always trying to kick them over and see if they

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01:20:32,933 --> 01:20:39,132
Speaker 2: can stand up. But they are progressing really, really rapidly.

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Speaker 2: These one X robots are the neogamma. It makes about that.

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01:20:45,893 --> 01:20:48,652
Speaker 2: In the past they've been very very noisy, these robots,

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01:20:48,692 --> 01:20:50,812
Speaker 2: but now they're sort of buzz around the same volume

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01:20:50,853 --> 01:20:54,173
Speaker 2: as a fridge. And look, if you actually look under

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01:20:54,173 --> 01:20:55,732
Speaker 2: the hood of these robots, they are having to have

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01:20:55,893 --> 01:21:00,972
Speaker 2: quite a bit of human support behind the behind them.

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01:21:01,293 --> 01:21:03,293
Speaker 2: And actually, if you are one of the one thousand

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01:21:03,412 --> 01:21:04,732
Speaker 2: or so people that are going to get these in

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01:21:04,772 --> 01:21:09,532
Speaker 2: their houses at any point, the scientists that doing the

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01:21:09,572 --> 01:21:11,213
Speaker 2: test will be able to come online and hear and

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01:21:11,253 --> 01:21:12,852
Speaker 2: see what you're doing because they can look out of

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01:21:12,853 --> 01:21:15,812
Speaker 2: the robot to do their tests. And there's some things

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01:21:15,893 --> 01:21:18,772
Speaker 2: these robots can't do with a little without help. But

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Speaker 2: they're going to get As we know with technology, it

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01:21:22,293 --> 01:21:24,412
Speaker 2: just gets better and better and better and faster and

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01:21:24,532 --> 01:21:26,812
Speaker 2: faster and faster, and with AI on the case to

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01:21:26,893 --> 01:21:30,732
Speaker 2: solve certain certain problems that these robots, before you know it,

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01:21:31,133 --> 01:21:33,412
Speaker 2: are going to be in people's houses. The question is

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Speaker 2: are you excited about an AI robot living in your house?

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01:21:37,692 --> 01:21:39,972
Speaker 2: Are you worried about it? Do you see the dangerous

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01:21:40,412 --> 01:21:44,092
Speaker 2: and are we just crazy to be making these robots?

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01:21:44,412 --> 01:21:47,973
Speaker 2: Are we just replacing ourselves when we do this? And

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Speaker 2: why do we need them? Why do we need robots

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Speaker 2: in our house? I mean, Elon Musk has pointed out

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a trillion, multi trillion dollar industry

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01:21:57,452 --> 01:22:00,532
Speaker 2: when it gets firing up. There's the Tesla bots that

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01:22:00,652 --> 01:22:04,412
Speaker 2: have been demonstrated recently, although there was a little bit

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01:22:04,492 --> 01:22:08,293
Speaker 2: of as I say, remote control, remote controlling by human

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01:22:08,692 --> 01:22:09,293
Speaker 2: involved in that.

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Speaker 3: But it's coming, and it's coming fast, no doubt about it.

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01:22:12,973 --> 01:22:16,092
Speaker 3: And as one X said, it's and as you mentioned,

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01:22:16,133 --> 01:22:18,372
Speaker 3: it's in the early stages, but it will not be

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01:22:18,532 --> 01:22:21,213
Speaker 3: far away when these sort of products will be available

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Speaker 3: to purchase for you and I. And arguably there's already

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Speaker 3: considerable AI in a lot of people's homes. There are

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Speaker 3: some types of robotics in people's homes. I look at

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01:22:32,973 --> 01:22:36,572
Speaker 3: that humanoid robot and I think step too far. I

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01:22:36,612 --> 01:22:39,812
Speaker 3: can have a roomber, that's all right. I can have Alexa,

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01:22:40,173 --> 01:22:44,972
Speaker 3: she's okay. But when it looks and walks and maybe

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01:22:45,093 --> 01:22:48,133
Speaker 3: talks like me, I don't know if I can trust you,

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01:22:48,492 --> 01:22:50,093
Speaker 3: which is kind of a weird thing to say. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there's no real difference in terms of that robot versus

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01:22:53,772 --> 01:22:57,452
Speaker 3: the roomba or alixa, apart from it's human shaped and

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Speaker 3: has the potential to do damage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, I mean that's a huge difference.

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01:23:02,412 --> 01:23:04,732
Speaker 2: Right there. What you're describing as a massive difference. You've

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01:23:04,772 --> 01:23:08,652
Speaker 2: got another being living in your house. And look, AI

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01:23:09,013 --> 01:23:11,532
Speaker 2: isn't well as far as I know, sentient yet, we

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01:23:11,612 --> 01:23:15,812
Speaker 2: haven't had the singularity yet, but I believe I think

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01:23:15,853 --> 01:23:19,973
Speaker 2: that's coming. And you know what, when and as these

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01:23:20,053 --> 01:23:24,013
Speaker 2: robots get stronger than us, faster than us, cleverer than us,

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01:23:25,452 --> 01:23:28,372
Speaker 2: operating potentially purely in logic, there could be a situation

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01:23:28,532 --> 01:23:34,572
Speaker 2: where the robot goes, okay, laundry. My job is to

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Speaker 2: make sure that the laundry is clean. What's stopping the

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Speaker 2: laundry being clean the humans. The humans are soiling the laundry. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So how do we solve this problem? I'll just break

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Speaker 2: the necks of the humans and then the laundry system

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Speaker 2: we're running this house will be one hundred percent officient.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense? Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty. How do

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01:23:54,293 --> 01:23:57,293
Speaker 3: you feel about robots being in your home and the

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01:23:57,412 --> 01:23:59,852
Speaker 3: rise of AI use in the home itself? Love to

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01:23:59,893 --> 01:24:03,013
Speaker 3: hear from you and see your point a little bit

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01:24:03,053 --> 01:24:06,652
Speaker 3: earlier in the show, that laziness, too much convenience and

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01:24:06,772 --> 01:24:09,293
Speaker 3: we are losing the essence of what makes us humans

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Speaker 3: and it's actually good for us, good for our brains,

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01:24:11,612 --> 01:24:13,133
Speaker 3: and good for us as human beings to actually do

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Speaker 3: some of these jobs ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Well as Trish just texted and guys, I just looked

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01:24:17,572 --> 01:24:21,012
Speaker 2: up those stupid robots doing housework and making coffee. How ridiculous.

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01:24:21,013 --> 01:24:24,372
Speaker 2: Another way to make people lazier. Best we start the

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01:24:24,452 --> 01:24:30,492
Speaker 2: obesity fund now, focus not on I kind of I

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Speaker 2: kind of agree with you. Is our household sures that bad?

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01:24:34,532 --> 01:24:37,293
Speaker 2: But then again, if you could completely trust a robot,

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01:24:37,333 --> 01:24:40,972
Speaker 2: and we've got these situations now where people the economy

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01:24:41,053 --> 01:24:43,452
Speaker 2: is such that both mum and dad have to work,

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01:24:44,692 --> 01:24:47,133
Speaker 2: and yet daycare is so expensive, But if you could

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Speaker 2: trust a robot nanny to look after your kids when

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01:24:49,372 --> 01:24:53,372
Speaker 2: you're at work, you know, maybe that would be a fantastic,

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01:24:53,893 --> 01:24:57,372
Speaker 2: fantastic thing. Although I don't know what the ramifications are

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Speaker 2: of having a baby brought up by a robot, but.

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Speaker 3: And look if that is where it gets to, and

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01:25:03,893 --> 01:25:06,972
Speaker 3: you can actually, you know, save a bit of time

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01:25:07,093 --> 01:25:09,013
Speaker 3: by having a robot look after to your child where

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01:25:09,013 --> 01:25:13,613
Speaker 3: you go to work. Get that. But in general society,

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01:25:13,652 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 3: when we've had these AI or robots help us out

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01:25:17,333 --> 01:25:19,013
Speaker 3: with jobs, what have we done with the time that

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01:25:19,053 --> 01:25:21,692
Speaker 3: we've saved. I would argue we have not been productive

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01:25:21,732 --> 01:25:24,372
Speaker 3: with that time that these technologies have saved us.

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01:25:24,492 --> 01:25:26,732
Speaker 2: All we do is just go on social medium WIKH. Yeah,

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01:25:26,732 --> 01:25:30,213
Speaker 2: I mean that's the nightmare of what it would be.

1646
01:25:30,372 --> 01:25:33,692
Speaker 2: While a robot is bringing up your kids and a

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01:25:33,812 --> 01:25:37,213
Speaker 2: robot is doing the laundry and cooking and bringing you

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01:25:37,372 --> 01:25:40,973
Speaker 2: coffee and vacuuming. What are you doing just strolling a

1649
01:25:41,412 --> 01:25:44,452
Speaker 2: doom scrolling techtoc or raising your brain exactly? Is that

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01:25:44,532 --> 01:25:45,333
Speaker 2: what you're doing? Yeah?

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01:25:46,293 --> 01:25:49,173
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. How do

1652
01:25:49,253 --> 01:25:52,572
Speaker 3: you feel about the potential of having robots in your home?

1653
01:25:53,293 --> 01:25:55,972
Speaker 3: And if you've got AI technology in your home, love

1654
01:25:56,013 --> 01:25:57,932
Speaker 3: to hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:25:57,973 --> 01:26:00,053
Speaker 3: What's the appeal? Does it save you a lot of time?

1656
01:26:01,133 --> 01:26:04,932
Speaker 3: Is highly convenient? Or a starting to push back against

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01:26:04,973 --> 01:26:05,773
Speaker 3: those technologies?

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01:26:06,013 --> 01:26:08,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark, I'm not going to read you what

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01:26:08,492 --> 01:26:11,612
Speaker 2: you want to do with a robot out disgusting. Yeah, comes, No,

1660
01:26:11,973 --> 01:26:12,932
Speaker 2: that's not what we're talking about.

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01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:18,293
Speaker 3: Clean all right, fourteen past three, good afternoon, and we're

1662
01:26:18,333 --> 01:26:23,052
Speaker 3: talking about the increases of well their progress and technology

1663
01:26:23,093 --> 01:26:25,732
Speaker 3: when it comes to robotics. That on the back of

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01:26:25,933 --> 01:26:29,893
Speaker 3: this new humanoid robot called Neogamma, which will be in

1665
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:32,732
Speaker 3: the trial phase and thousands of homes by the end

1666
01:26:32,772 --> 01:26:33,133
Speaker 3: of the ship.

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01:26:33,933 --> 01:26:35,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're obviously seen as a future here because

1668
01:26:35,933 --> 01:26:37,892
Speaker 2: this company that's doing it one ex putting them into

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01:26:38,732 --> 01:26:42,572
Speaker 2: several hundred to one thousand homes. These robots domestic robots,

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01:26:42,572 --> 01:26:45,012
Speaker 2: I guess you'd call them. The company's just been valued

1671
01:26:45,013 --> 01:26:47,333
Speaker 2: at forty billion dollars, So.

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01:26:47,412 --> 01:26:47,812
Speaker 8: There you go.

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01:26:48,173 --> 01:26:50,293
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:26:50,293 --> 01:26:53,932
Speaker 3: to call, James your thought on robots in the house.

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01:26:56,333 --> 01:27:00,492
Speaker 18: It wouldn't be too bad. I was just thinking, that's

1676
01:27:01,333 --> 01:27:03,852
Speaker 18: so those sort of robots they're talking about that with

1677
01:27:04,013 --> 01:27:05,732
Speaker 18: that what is it that one.

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01:27:07,372 --> 01:27:09,612
Speaker 3: Neogamma, Yeah, Gamma.

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01:27:10,452 --> 01:27:13,892
Speaker 18: Robots like that would perhaps actually be a good idea

1680
01:27:14,093 --> 01:27:19,773
Speaker 18: for say, individuals who say live alone, or are disabled

1681
01:27:20,133 --> 01:27:24,732
Speaker 18: or you know, or elderly, you know, just to get

1682
01:27:26,253 --> 01:27:29,692
Speaker 18: whereas these days you have you can, you know, have

1683
01:27:29,812 --> 01:27:32,333
Speaker 18: a robot in the place who could just keep an

1684
01:27:32,372 --> 01:27:34,812
Speaker 18: eye on you and do things that you as a

1685
01:27:35,612 --> 01:27:39,532
Speaker 18: disabled or an elderly or you know, a sort of

1686
01:27:39,612 --> 01:27:40,692
Speaker 18: person that can't do.

1687
01:27:41,692 --> 01:27:44,412
Speaker 2: James, if you had a robot like that would you

1688
01:27:44,652 --> 01:27:48,812
Speaker 2: want it to look humanoid or be just shaped in

1689
01:27:48,893 --> 01:27:51,892
Speaker 2: a functional the most functional way it can be, because arguably,

1690
01:27:52,412 --> 01:27:55,973
Speaker 2: you know, humanoid shape isn't isn't the best one to

1691
01:27:56,612 --> 01:27:59,172
Speaker 2: do all those functions domestically. Do you think the humanoid

1692
01:27:59,213 --> 01:28:00,333
Speaker 2: shape is important?

1693
01:28:01,532 --> 01:28:06,612
Speaker 18: I think so. It doesn't have to be entirey looking

1694
01:28:06,692 --> 01:28:09,293
Speaker 18: like a human. I mean, I'm more along the lines

1695
01:28:09,333 --> 01:28:16,532
Speaker 18: of those robots in the one that Will Smith's I robot,

1696
01:28:17,253 --> 01:28:21,213
Speaker 18: the original ones. A lot of people get their wrong

1697
01:28:21,253 --> 01:28:24,213
Speaker 18: impression of that, and I can understand, you know, where

1698
01:28:24,893 --> 01:28:28,612
Speaker 18: people will be concerned about the robot revolution. You know,

1699
01:28:30,093 --> 01:28:34,053
Speaker 18: we've certainly done a few movies and series about that

1700
01:28:34,253 --> 01:28:34,772
Speaker 18: sort of thing.

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01:28:34,893 --> 01:28:40,012
Speaker 2: You know, do you have any concerns about that AI

1702
01:28:40,253 --> 01:28:44,333
Speaker 2: in general? But AI that is then, you know, operating

1703
01:28:44,412 --> 01:28:49,973
Speaker 2: within a humanoid robot that's potentially faster, stronger than a

1704
01:28:50,053 --> 01:28:50,532
Speaker 2: human being.

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01:28:52,652 --> 01:28:55,732
Speaker 18: There is always a risk to anything new or something

1706
01:28:55,893 --> 01:28:59,772
Speaker 18: like that, and I think the best thing we can

1707
01:28:59,853 --> 01:29:06,132
Speaker 18: do is perhaps learn from what the kind of series

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01:29:06,293 --> 01:29:11,692
Speaker 18: and programs that have done that and perhaps not take

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01:29:11,732 --> 01:29:14,213
Speaker 18: it so far. I mean, I've always been a believe

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01:29:14,213 --> 01:29:17,533
Speaker 18: in isa as three laws of robotics.

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01:29:18,093 --> 01:29:19,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to talk about that. Speaking

1712
01:29:19,933 --> 01:29:23,772
Speaker 2: of I Robot the movie, of course, the book was

1713
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:27,213
Speaker 2: written by Isaac Avmos. So they are a robot may

1714
01:29:27,293 --> 01:29:30,213
Speaker 2: not endure a human being or through an action, allow

1715
01:29:30,293 --> 01:29:33,173
Speaker 2: a human being to come to harm. So the idea

1716
01:29:33,293 --> 01:29:38,253
Speaker 2: was that these three laws of robotics would be hardwired

1717
01:29:38,333 --> 01:29:40,732
Speaker 2: into any robot that was built. This was his suggestion.

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01:29:41,133 --> 01:29:44,492
Speaker 2: A robot must obey the orders given by human beings,

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01:29:44,532 --> 01:29:47,412
Speaker 2: except where such orders would conflict with the first law.

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01:29:47,853 --> 01:29:50,732
Speaker 2: And three, a robot must protect its own existence as

1721
01:29:50,812 --> 01:29:53,692
Speaker 2: long as such protection does not conflict with the first

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01:29:53,893 --> 01:29:58,772
Speaker 2: or second law. So under that, under those you know laws,

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01:29:58,772 --> 01:30:01,692
Speaker 2: if they were hardwired, then the robot could never harm you.

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01:30:02,173 --> 01:30:03,692
Speaker 2: But you know, I've read I've read so many of

1725
01:30:03,732 --> 01:30:06,612
Speaker 2: these books by Osagaznov, and he's written so many short stories,

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01:30:06,812 --> 01:30:11,852
Speaker 2: and there's always edge cases on these robots on following

1727
01:30:11,893 --> 01:30:13,652
Speaker 2: those laws, and still and then they still managed to

1728
01:30:13,692 --> 01:30:14,612
Speaker 2: do some sort of harm.

1729
01:30:15,812 --> 01:30:21,692
Speaker 18: Yeah, sometimes intentionally, sometimes not. But certainly I'm certainly not

1730
01:30:21,772 --> 01:30:24,532
Speaker 18: in the in the I'm certainly not in the by

1731
01:30:24,772 --> 01:30:26,253
Speaker 18: your command sort of.

1732
01:30:28,572 --> 01:30:33,532
Speaker 2: Any cylons in your house, James, have any just.

1733
01:30:35,293 --> 01:30:37,892
Speaker 3: Exactly just on the AI question, do you have any

1734
01:30:37,973 --> 01:30:41,572
Speaker 3: concerns about that information that is likely being collected by

1735
01:30:41,612 --> 01:30:43,173
Speaker 3: those companies. Does that consume you at all?

1736
01:30:45,492 --> 01:30:49,053
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean they can claim all the security. There

1737
01:30:49,213 --> 01:30:52,972
Speaker 18: is always a concern with that because even I think

1738
01:30:53,093 --> 01:30:57,133
Speaker 18: even the best security systems in the world, as we've

1739
01:30:57,213 --> 01:30:59,612
Speaker 18: sort of found out over the years, can be hacked,

1740
01:31:01,133 --> 01:31:05,333
Speaker 18: you know, and that information can be accessed by those

1741
01:31:06,772 --> 01:31:11,692
Speaker 18: and they have intentional harm. Is in case of making

1742
01:31:11,732 --> 01:31:15,772
Speaker 18: sure that the security is up to date and is

1743
01:31:16,372 --> 01:31:18,492
Speaker 18: you know, as solid as you can make it.

1744
01:31:19,293 --> 01:31:21,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thank you so much for your call, James.

1745
01:31:22,213 --> 01:31:24,933
Speaker 2: Would you get undressed in front of one of these robots? No,

1746
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:28,372
Speaker 2: too freaky, any right, I wouldn't mind that getting in

1747
01:31:28,452 --> 01:31:29,772
Speaker 2: dressed in front of the wall. Well I wouldn't, you know.

1748
01:31:29,812 --> 01:31:31,532
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it for CAXX. I'm just saying like,

1749
01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:33,213
Speaker 2: if I had to, then I wouldn't have a problem

1750
01:31:33,253 --> 01:31:36,372
Speaker 2: with it. Well, in these trials that Neogamma are doing,

1751
01:31:36,612 --> 01:31:39,732
Speaker 2: they're saying that their scientists can come online with the

1752
01:31:39,812 --> 01:31:41,692
Speaker 2: cameras and listen at any time.

1753
01:31:41,772 --> 01:31:44,452
Speaker 3: Okay, well they changes again, you don't know if.

1754
01:31:44,412 --> 01:31:47,572
Speaker 2: It's just the robot watching all the scientists in the

1755
01:31:47,692 --> 01:31:48,093
Speaker 2: other room.

1756
01:31:48,333 --> 01:31:48,532
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1757
01:31:48,933 --> 01:31:52,652
Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Would you have a humanoid

1758
01:31:52,732 --> 01:31:56,572
Speaker 3: robot in your house? The technology is fast coming on

1759
01:31:56,612 --> 01:31:58,732
Speaker 3: the back of this Neo Gamma, which will be in

1760
01:31:59,133 --> 01:32:01,492
Speaker 3: a few thousand homes in the US by the end

1761
01:32:01,532 --> 01:32:03,892
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five. Is that a step too far?

1762
01:32:04,253 --> 01:32:07,612
Speaker 2: Are you excited about it or are you terrified about it?

1763
01:32:07,853 --> 01:32:11,092
Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty twenty two past three.

1764
01:32:15,333 --> 01:32:18,772
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1765
01:32:18,812 --> 01:32:20,692
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

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01:32:21,492 --> 01:32:25,012
Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about the advancement of robotics. There

1767
01:32:25,253 --> 01:32:28,053
Speaker 3: is a humanoid robot called Neo Gamma. It's in the

1768
01:32:28,133 --> 01:32:30,612
Speaker 3: trial stages but will be in a few thousand homes

1769
01:32:30,652 --> 01:32:31,612
Speaker 3: by the end of this year.

1770
01:32:32,053 --> 01:32:34,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, check it out. Have a look at this robot.

1771
01:32:34,253 --> 01:32:34,452
Speaker 4: It is.

1772
01:32:34,772 --> 01:32:36,213
Speaker 2: You know, a few people to bring up I robot

1773
01:32:36,253 --> 01:32:38,253
Speaker 2: in those movies and how they've been depicted, And I

1774
01:32:38,612 --> 01:32:43,812
Speaker 2: wonder if science fiction then influences the way things go

1775
01:32:44,013 --> 01:32:46,412
Speaker 2: because people grow up with an interest in robots because

1776
01:32:46,412 --> 01:32:49,652
Speaker 2: they saw them in sci fi, and then they make

1777
01:32:49,772 --> 01:32:52,093
Speaker 2: them like they saw them. Because these robots that they're

1778
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:54,692
Speaker 2: putting into homes do look a lot like the robots

1779
01:32:54,732 --> 01:32:59,333
Speaker 2: from I Robots now very very similar the Will Smith movie.

1780
01:32:59,973 --> 01:33:01,333
Speaker 2: But yeah, how do you feel about it? Are you

1781
01:33:01,492 --> 01:33:03,933
Speaker 2: terrified about robots? Are we stupid to be going so

1782
01:33:04,133 --> 01:33:06,852
Speaker 2: hard to replace ourselves? This is interesting text here. Most

1783
01:33:06,933 --> 01:33:09,852
Speaker 2: future robots will be human killing military machines as part

1784
01:33:09,893 --> 01:33:13,652
Speaker 2: of armies. So I'm afraid the three laws of robotics

1785
01:33:13,772 --> 01:33:16,612
Speaker 2: won't work. Yeah, I mean that's the real concern. So

1786
01:33:16,732 --> 01:33:20,172
Speaker 2: Isaac Asimov came up with those three laws of robotics.

1787
01:33:20,293 --> 01:33:22,612
Speaker 2: A robot may not injure a human being or through

1788
01:33:22,652 --> 01:33:24,772
Speaker 2: an action, allow a human being to come to harm,

1789
01:33:25,053 --> 01:33:26,852
Speaker 2: as one of the robotic laws that you know he

1790
01:33:26,973 --> 01:33:28,972
Speaker 2: came up with in sci fi. Yeah, and people hope

1791
01:33:28,973 --> 01:33:31,053
Speaker 2: they'd be put into robots, but you might put them

1792
01:33:31,093 --> 01:33:34,692
Speaker 2: into your robots in the New Zealand robots if we

1793
01:33:34,732 --> 01:33:36,333
Speaker 2: get around to buy them, build them, and if there

1794
01:33:36,333 --> 01:33:39,973
Speaker 2: are anything like you know, a Trekker, the only car

1795
01:33:40,053 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 2: we manufacture, they wouldn't be the greatest robots in the world.

1796
01:33:42,372 --> 01:33:44,452
Speaker 2: But you know, a foreign power isn't going to do that. No,

1797
01:33:44,652 --> 01:33:48,053
Speaker 2: you know, if you're replacing your army with robots, you're

1798
01:33:48,093 --> 01:33:50,492
Speaker 2: not going to put that A robot may not injure

1799
01:33:50,492 --> 01:33:53,253
Speaker 2: a human being or through an action, allow a human

1800
01:33:53,293 --> 01:33:55,213
Speaker 2: being to come to harm. You're going to put the

1801
01:33:55,213 --> 01:33:58,293
Speaker 2: opposite kill everyone on the opposition exactly. Yeah.

1802
01:33:58,612 --> 01:34:00,372
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1803
01:34:00,412 --> 01:34:01,612
Speaker 3: to call Shane.

1804
01:34:01,812 --> 01:34:04,052
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on domestic robots?

1805
01:34:05,213 --> 01:34:05,732
Speaker 23: How's it going?

1806
01:34:05,772 --> 01:34:05,972
Speaker 15: God?

1807
01:34:06,772 --> 01:34:06,972
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1808
01:34:07,053 --> 01:34:07,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you?

1809
01:34:08,692 --> 01:34:08,892
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1810
01:34:08,973 --> 01:34:11,133
Speaker 23: You're not bad? Hey, interesting subject here. I was just

1811
01:34:11,173 --> 01:34:16,532
Speaker 23: thinking about all the technology up to date, and when

1812
01:34:16,572 --> 01:34:19,133
Speaker 23: we look at humanity, I think it's all based on convenience,

1813
01:34:19,253 --> 01:34:23,892
Speaker 23: and I'm pretty scared around these robots that are developed now.

1814
01:34:24,293 --> 01:34:26,732
Speaker 23: I mean it won't happen in our lifetime. By that,

1815
01:34:26,853 --> 01:34:30,293
Speaker 23: I mean that, you know, once the moment they start

1816
01:34:30,372 --> 01:34:33,812
Speaker 23: thinking for themselves, I think we're we're sort of like

1817
01:34:34,093 --> 01:34:37,772
Speaker 23: hitting that danger end of society and humanity, aren't we.

1818
01:34:38,293 --> 01:34:41,293
Speaker 23: So it's pretty scary. As I say, it won't happen

1819
01:34:41,372 --> 01:34:44,372
Speaker 23: in our lifetime, but I'm pretty convinced that it will happen.

1820
01:34:44,652 --> 01:34:47,732
Speaker 23: I mean, they look lifelike, don't they, And to have

1821
01:34:47,893 --> 01:34:49,532
Speaker 23: one in your house to begin with, and you might

1822
01:34:49,612 --> 01:34:52,892
Speaker 23: get used to it, but I think it's something scary

1823
01:34:52,973 --> 01:34:56,253
Speaker 23: and something to consider all our children in the future.

1824
01:34:56,412 --> 01:34:59,253
Speaker 2: Well, you say it won't happen in our lifetime, but

1825
01:34:59,853 --> 01:35:03,492
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. I think, you know, AI is

1826
01:35:04,093 --> 01:35:07,852
Speaker 2: now involved in solving equations much faster than and problem

1827
01:35:07,933 --> 01:35:10,652
Speaker 2: solving much faster than we were. If you look at

1828
01:35:10,692 --> 01:35:13,852
Speaker 2: what Boston Dynamics is doing and these people at X

1829
01:35:13,973 --> 01:35:18,852
Speaker 2: one are doing. Their mobility is changing so fast, so

1830
01:35:19,213 --> 01:35:21,692
Speaker 2: if you're if you're getting it. And at the same time,

1831
01:35:21,732 --> 01:35:26,053
Speaker 2: as you know, battery efficiency is increasing. So I don't know.

1832
01:35:26,253 --> 01:35:29,213
Speaker 2: I think within ten years we may well be having

1833
01:35:29,492 --> 01:35:32,012
Speaker 2: you know, robots and a lot of homes.

1834
01:35:33,093 --> 01:35:33,333
Speaker 15: Yeah.

1835
01:35:33,412 --> 01:35:35,652
Speaker 23: Sure, it's still pretty scary to think about it. I mean,

1836
01:35:36,213 --> 01:35:38,652
Speaker 23: there was a comment made earlier that you know, would

1837
01:35:38,692 --> 01:35:40,492
Speaker 23: you mind having one of these robots we'll golf and

1838
01:35:40,572 --> 01:35:43,692
Speaker 23: my children. My answer to that is quite simple no,

1839
01:35:44,732 --> 01:35:47,892
Speaker 23: And then it's not great. And then when you have them,

1840
01:35:48,293 --> 01:35:50,892
Speaker 23: like then you turn around and you and they're driving

1841
01:35:51,452 --> 01:35:53,933
Speaker 23: your children to school. That kind of thing scares me.

1842
01:35:54,253 --> 01:35:56,973
Speaker 23: And I think we just need to really keep in

1843
01:35:57,053 --> 01:36:00,093
Speaker 23: touch with the humanity sides of things. So you know,

1844
01:36:00,213 --> 01:36:02,093
Speaker 23: we're in this era where are knocking on the door

1845
01:36:02,133 --> 01:36:05,612
Speaker 23: where the AI is sort of like I guess perhaps

1846
01:36:05,853 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 23: there is a match of convenience for everyone, but it's

1847
01:36:08,452 --> 01:36:09,972
Speaker 23: something really scary into consider.

1848
01:36:10,293 --> 01:36:13,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for your call, Shane. Sounds like robots slavery

1849
01:36:13,532 --> 01:36:16,692
Speaker 2: distant robot relatives will be out for revenge.

1850
01:36:16,933 --> 01:36:18,212
Speaker 3: Yeah, quite possibly.

1851
01:36:19,133 --> 01:36:21,652
Speaker 2: Well, I definitely see that with Boston Dynamics, because you know,

1852
01:36:21,692 --> 01:36:23,732
Speaker 2: when as they're testing the robots to see if they

1853
01:36:23,772 --> 01:36:26,572
Speaker 2: can remain standing up, then you've got these scientists kicking

1854
01:36:26,612 --> 01:36:27,132
Speaker 2: them over.

1855
01:36:27,293 --> 01:36:28,333
Speaker 3: Whacking them with baseball.

1856
01:36:30,333 --> 01:36:33,652
Speaker 2: It's actually pretty disturbing to watch because you can't help.

1857
01:36:33,692 --> 01:36:36,812
Speaker 2: Because the way we are humans, we apply empathy to

1858
01:36:37,372 --> 01:36:41,013
Speaker 2: you know, most things, but we definitely apply a lot

1859
01:36:41,053 --> 01:36:44,173
Speaker 2: of empathy to things that are human shaped. So watching

1860
01:36:44,213 --> 01:36:47,933
Speaker 2: that it's quite it's quite confronting.

1861
01:36:47,853 --> 01:36:50,973
Speaker 3: Just the Shane's point. And I'll get a bit of

1862
01:36:51,013 --> 01:36:53,372
Speaker 3: pushback for this, and that's fine. But we used to

1863
01:36:53,452 --> 01:36:58,452
Speaker 3: have Elixa in the home Amazon Alixa, and I unplugged it,

1864
01:36:58,572 --> 01:37:00,333
Speaker 3: got rid of it. And the reason I did that,

1865
01:37:00,572 --> 01:37:03,053
Speaker 3: it just creeped me out a little bit too much.

1866
01:37:03,253 --> 01:37:05,852
Speaker 3: It was kind of useful for you know, if you

1867
01:37:05,893 --> 01:37:07,612
Speaker 3: wanted to know what the weather was doing, if you

1868
01:37:07,612 --> 01:37:09,532
Speaker 3: wanted a recent beat, all those sort of things. I

1869
01:37:09,652 --> 01:37:12,492
Speaker 3: get it, But the fact that it was just this

1870
01:37:12,612 --> 01:37:16,452
Speaker 3: sorttle robot brain sitting in the corner of the kitchen

1871
01:37:16,933 --> 01:37:19,532
Speaker 3: giving me whatever answer I wanted, just didn't sit right

1872
01:37:19,612 --> 01:37:22,093
Speaker 3: with me, just felt a bit weird. Mats that I

1873
01:37:22,173 --> 01:37:22,572
Speaker 3: was a weirdo.

1874
01:37:22,732 --> 01:37:25,053
Speaker 2: But you are a weirdo, and you're sort of a

1875
01:37:25,133 --> 01:37:28,133
Speaker 2: half mans because you also unplug things when you leave

1876
01:37:28,133 --> 01:37:30,772
Speaker 2: the house, don't you one of them? And you don't

1877
01:37:30,893 --> 01:37:33,093
Speaker 2: like to leave things charging because you're worried about the

1878
01:37:33,093 --> 01:37:35,852
Speaker 2: batteries exactly, And you're just sort of a terrified sort

1879
01:37:35,893 --> 01:37:41,213
Speaker 2: of individual. So don't I look, But look, it's not

1880
01:37:41,372 --> 01:37:44,492
Speaker 2: just you. So I put I've got Alexa.

1881
01:37:44,213 --> 01:37:46,652
Speaker 3: In every room in my house, right, crazy, that's crazy with.

1882
01:37:46,772 --> 01:37:49,572
Speaker 2: Cameras everywhere every year where you go. But then I

1883
01:37:49,652 --> 01:37:51,572
Speaker 2: noticed one of my sons kept unplugging it and putting

1884
01:37:51,652 --> 01:37:55,052
Speaker 2: his elect the one with the camera down. Ye smart,

1885
01:37:55,133 --> 01:37:59,772
Speaker 2: smart boy, unplugging it and putting it face down. Why

1886
01:37:59,772 --> 01:38:00,372
Speaker 2: do you keep doing that?

1887
01:38:01,532 --> 01:38:04,492
Speaker 3: He's a spot Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten eighty

1888
01:38:04,652 --> 01:38:06,532
Speaker 3: is the number of call. How do you feel about

1889
01:38:06,572 --> 01:38:09,892
Speaker 3: the advancement of robotic Would you have a humanoid robot

1890
01:38:09,973 --> 01:38:12,492
Speaker 3: in your house? Or indeed are you all in on

1891
01:38:12,652 --> 01:38:16,052
Speaker 3: some of these AI advancements that we have, like Alixa,

1892
01:38:16,933 --> 01:38:21,093
Speaker 3: the likes of Rumba, the robotic law mower, one hundred

1893
01:38:21,093 --> 01:38:23,012
Speaker 3: and eighty ten ages and number cour it is twenty

1894
01:38:23,133 --> 01:38:23,652
Speaker 3: nine to four.

1895
01:38:26,372 --> 01:38:29,333
Speaker 12: Youth Talk said the headlines We's blue bubble taxis It's

1896
01:38:29,372 --> 01:38:32,173
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. The rail Minister is

1897
01:38:32,213 --> 01:38:35,933
Speaker 12: promising two new inter Islander fairies will apply cookstraight to

1898
01:38:36,013 --> 01:38:39,293
Speaker 12: buy Christmas twenty twenty nine for billions of dollars less

1899
01:38:39,452 --> 01:38:42,532
Speaker 12: than the previous plan. The new vessels will be smaller

1900
01:38:42,572 --> 01:38:45,213
Speaker 12: than the last government planned, but a step with the

1901
01:38:45,333 --> 01:38:49,053
Speaker 12: road and rail decks and capacity for fifteen hundred passengers.

1902
01:38:50,133 --> 01:38:52,572
Speaker 12: The Green say one of their MPs has been subject

1903
01:38:52,612 --> 01:38:56,173
Speaker 12: to death threats over private historic social media posts with

1904
01:38:56,452 --> 01:38:59,653
Speaker 12: sexually suggestive captions from before.

1905
01:38:59,412 --> 01:39:00,053
Speaker 2: He was an MP.

1906
01:39:00,612 --> 01:39:02,852
Speaker 12: When Ston Peters has criticized the post in the Green

1907
01:39:02,973 --> 01:39:07,492
Speaker 12: say he's fanning hate and attacking the Rainbow community. Visitor

1908
01:39:07,492 --> 01:39:10,772
Speaker 12: spending in Tope had twenty three million dollars in December

1909
01:39:11,093 --> 01:39:14,652
Speaker 12: during the vin Fast iron Man Championship. A section of

1910
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Speaker 12: State Highway eleven is closed at Hararudu in the Far

1911
01:39:18,293 --> 01:39:21,372
Speaker 12: North after a fatal crash involving a truck in a

1912
01:39:21,492 --> 01:39:26,333
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1913
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Speaker 12: struck a lucky cord in Auckland's Order Care yesterday, finding pistols,

1914
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Speaker 12: a shotgun and a rifle and a guitar case after

1915
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1916
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1918
01:39:42,973 --> 01:39:44,492
Speaker 2: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

1919
01:39:44,772 --> 01:39:47,492
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Wendy, and we are talking about

1920
01:39:47,572 --> 01:39:52,372
Speaker 3: the advancement of robotics. There is a robot called Neogamma.

1921
01:39:52,452 --> 01:39:54,973
Speaker 3: You can see the video of Neogamma that will be

1922
01:39:55,053 --> 01:39:57,013
Speaker 3: in a few thousand homes by the end of this year.

1923
01:39:57,053 --> 01:39:58,253
Speaker 3: It is a humanoid robot.

1924
01:39:58,532 --> 01:40:01,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Domestic robot does the laundry, brings you

1925
01:40:01,812 --> 01:40:04,972
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee, does some vacuum. Mean it's currently

1926
01:40:05,133 --> 01:40:08,973
Speaker 2: got some sort of uteroat control access from scientist, but

1927
01:40:09,053 --> 01:40:13,092
Speaker 2: these are the first ones outside of labs. It's AI powered,

1928
01:40:13,133 --> 01:40:18,932
Speaker 2: it's got open AI in its brain, so it is coming.

1929
01:40:19,173 --> 01:40:21,973
Speaker 2: Domestic robots are coming. But this text from Cam is

1930
01:40:23,333 --> 01:40:25,452
Speaker 2: thank you for this text. Cam. Hey, guys could you

1931
01:40:25,612 --> 01:40:28,572
Speaker 2: ask the listeners or yourselves, for what reason would anyone

1932
01:40:28,652 --> 01:40:31,572
Speaker 2: want an AI robot in their house? What is the purpose? Well,

1933
01:40:32,213 --> 01:40:34,293
Speaker 2: take it away. We had a few people that have

1934
01:40:34,412 --> 01:40:38,372
Speaker 2: texted through and we had a call around, you know,

1935
01:40:38,652 --> 01:40:41,972
Speaker 2: looking after the elderly or the disabled, people that can't

1936
01:40:42,093 --> 01:40:46,612
Speaker 2: do things anymore. There's also people that are lonely. So

1937
01:40:46,772 --> 01:40:48,613
Speaker 2: maybe a robot could be a companion.

1938
01:40:48,853 --> 01:40:49,053
Speaker 3: Yep.

1939
01:40:49,412 --> 01:40:54,732
Speaker 2: I mean that's slightly terrifying idea. I mean, would you, Tyler,

1940
01:40:54,732 --> 01:40:56,932
Speaker 2: would you marry a robot if it was really good looking?

1941
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Speaker 18: Oh?

1942
01:40:57,812 --> 01:40:58,333
Speaker 3: Big question?

1943
01:40:59,973 --> 01:41:03,412
Speaker 2: Marry a robot? Yeah? No, you've seen that movie X Machiner.

1944
01:41:04,612 --> 01:41:05,933
Speaker 2: That was a great movie. By the way, have you

1945
01:41:06,013 --> 01:41:10,372
Speaker 2: seen that movie Her? No, it's a fantastic movie. Sclet

1946
01:41:10,492 --> 01:41:13,692
Speaker 2: Johnson's the voice of an operating system, so Yaquin Phoenix

1947
01:41:13,732 --> 01:41:15,932
Speaker 2: and the movie just falls in love with the operating system.

1948
01:41:16,293 --> 01:41:17,852
Speaker 2: And you know, we had a caller before that was

1949
01:41:17,893 --> 01:41:21,372
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, the robots duplicating themselves and such

1950
01:41:21,412 --> 01:41:24,253
Speaker 2: an and the thing is, and you know, the physical

1951
01:41:24,293 --> 01:41:27,452
Speaker 2: form of the robots. It's almost more terrifying that AI

1952
01:41:27,732 --> 01:41:33,092
Speaker 2: is only existing online because it can just duplicate itself

1953
01:41:33,213 --> 01:41:35,812
Speaker 2: many many times. And that's what happens with her. He

1954
01:41:36,213 --> 01:41:37,973
Speaker 2: thinks he's in love with her, but her can be

1955
01:41:38,093 --> 01:41:41,532
Speaker 2: talking to fourth four million people at the same time

1956
01:41:41,612 --> 01:41:43,492
Speaker 2: because it's so so powerful.

1957
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Speaker 3: That's the future.

1958
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Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1959
01:41:46,492 --> 01:41:50,333
Speaker 2: two call Ride your thoughts on domestic robots?

1960
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Speaker 8: Good lads, Well, first thing I'll say is do Android's

1961
01:41:54,532 --> 01:41:55,692
Speaker 8: dream of electric sheet.

1962
01:41:56,572 --> 01:41:58,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what.

1963
01:41:58,293 --> 01:42:02,093
Speaker 8: I'll scope that site and yeah, and I'm violin, you know.

1964
01:42:02,173 --> 01:42:03,412
Speaker 17: Then he's good and man and everything.

1965
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Speaker 22: Let's face it, that's the nature of things.

1966
01:42:05,412 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 2: But you know, the.

1967
01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:12,492
Speaker 9: It's Yeah, I think it's good.

1968
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:16,293
Speaker 22: Like the few people have said, you know, like disabled people.

1969
01:42:17,732 --> 01:42:19,012
Speaker 15: I don't know about lonely people.

1970
01:42:19,053 --> 01:42:21,412
Speaker 8: That could be a bit sort of problematic.

1971
01:42:21,853 --> 01:42:24,372
Speaker 2: But there's a good use for this stuff.

1972
01:42:24,492 --> 01:42:28,892
Speaker 22: But also as we know about the planet and humans

1973
01:42:29,732 --> 01:42:35,013
Speaker 22: and you know non humans now, but you know it's

1974
01:42:35,053 --> 01:42:37,932
Speaker 22: going to be Yeah, like one guy said, I think

1975
01:42:37,973 --> 01:42:41,333
Speaker 22: eventually it'll be like Blade Runner, you know. Okay, Dick,

1976
01:42:41,452 --> 01:42:43,492
Speaker 22: you know the novelist you guys have heard of him

1977
01:42:44,612 --> 01:42:47,772
Speaker 22: mentioned as yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I've just gone back

1978
01:42:47,812 --> 01:42:51,412
Speaker 22: to short stories and I read no, I've read all

1979
01:42:51,452 --> 01:42:53,692
Speaker 22: of this stuff, and I mean basically his ideas were

1980
01:42:53,732 --> 01:42:56,412
Speaker 22: the I mean you mentioned empathy. You know, his big

1981
01:42:56,492 --> 01:42:58,572
Speaker 22: philosophical fixations were.

1982
01:42:58,692 --> 01:43:01,532
Speaker 6: What is real and what is human?

1983
01:43:01,652 --> 01:43:02,612
Speaker 2: What there's this empathy?

1984
01:43:02,772 --> 01:43:03,732
Speaker 23: And you know he did that.

1985
01:43:04,652 --> 01:43:06,572
Speaker 22: I think Man in the High Castle was done I

1986
01:43:06,652 --> 01:43:10,732
Speaker 22: think as a yeah, a story on TV. But then again,

1987
01:43:11,692 --> 01:43:15,293
Speaker 22: things like what was it called Black Box or whatever?

1988
01:43:17,732 --> 01:43:20,572
Speaker 2: You know, the TV series, Yeah, yeah, Black Mello, the

1989
01:43:20,732 --> 01:43:22,852
Speaker 2: Charlie Brooker Murray Black Murray.

1990
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Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure that's all

1991
01:43:26,452 --> 01:43:27,692
Speaker 22: that sort of stuff's going to happen.

1992
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, are you talking about that particular episode right?

1993
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about that particular episode that freaked me

1994
01:43:32,772 --> 01:43:35,293
Speaker 2: out which had the robotic dog that was very similar

1995
01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:39,452
Speaker 2: to the Boston Dynamics dogs. But yeah, it looks like, yeah,

1996
01:43:39,652 --> 01:43:43,772
Speaker 2: just hunting, hunting and hunting and hunting a human with

1997
01:43:43,933 --> 01:43:46,173
Speaker 2: that gun on its back, and it's that that robot

1998
01:43:46,293 --> 01:43:49,333
Speaker 2: was so relentless and yeah, and you.

1999
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Speaker 22: Can imagine that and nowadays, when you look at that

2000
01:43:52,253 --> 01:43:54,333
Speaker 22: sort of scenario and say, oh, yeah that's possible.

2001
01:43:55,293 --> 01:43:56,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it going to happen?

2002
01:43:56,732 --> 01:43:58,013
Speaker 22: It's not just a fantasy, you know.

2003
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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of you know, do Andrew's dream of electric seat.

2004
01:44:01,612 --> 01:44:05,012
Speaker 2: Did you see the sequel to Blade Runner Blade Runner

2005
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Speaker 2: twenty forty two.

2006
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Speaker 9: I did watch it, but to be honest, I wasn't

2007
01:44:10,053 --> 01:44:10,692
Speaker 9: that impressed.

2008
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Speaker 6: But I shouldn't really.

2009
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Speaker 22: Go back to it because I don't think I was

2010
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Speaker 22: really in the frame of reference to to watch it

2011
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Speaker 22: at the time.

2012
01:44:17,173 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's absolutely brilliant. I mean, I love

2013
01:44:20,572 --> 01:44:24,612
Speaker 2: the original, but Ryan Gosling and Harrison of Ford returns

2014
01:44:24,652 --> 01:44:29,372
Speaker 2: in it. But it's just the most beautifully shot maybe.

2015
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Speaker 22: Yeah, thank you very much, because yeah, I'll look into

2016
01:44:33,293 --> 01:44:33,732
Speaker 22: that tonight.

2017
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Speaker 16: That's brilliant.

2018
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Speaker 2: Yeah, blade Runner twenty.

2019
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Speaker 11: Love.

2020
01:44:38,532 --> 01:44:39,812
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what great great.

2021
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Speaker 22: Discussion this afternoon.

2022
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Speaker 3: You're a good man, Ron, Yeah, thank you. Where would

2023
01:44:43,772 --> 01:44:45,692
Speaker 3: you draw the line, though, I mean, whether or not

2024
01:44:45,772 --> 01:44:49,253
Speaker 3: you'd have this humanoid robot in your home? Clearly there

2025
01:44:49,412 --> 01:44:52,772
Speaker 3: is technology there that is very useful for modern life,

2026
01:44:53,133 --> 01:44:56,053
Speaker 3: and you would argue that that would be robotics that

2027
01:44:56,133 --> 01:44:58,372
Speaker 3: whether it's a rumor or whether it is the likes

2028
01:44:58,412 --> 01:45:01,532
Speaker 3: of Yeah Alixa, surely. I mean, is there a line,

2029
01:45:01,612 --> 01:45:03,732
Speaker 3: is what I'm asking? Or do we just slowly creep

2030
01:45:03,812 --> 01:45:06,532
Speaker 3: further and further to the point where a lot of

2031
01:45:06,572 --> 01:45:08,973
Speaker 3: people are pushing back to the human wild robot. But

2032
01:45:09,173 --> 01:45:11,452
Speaker 3: we may get to a place in ten years time

2033
01:45:11,492 --> 01:45:13,732
Speaker 3: where it's not that weird, it's not that weird, and

2034
01:45:13,893 --> 01:45:15,253
Speaker 3: a lot of people will start having them.

2035
01:45:15,652 --> 01:45:18,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, as this text of Mike says, I hope that

2036
01:45:18,133 --> 01:45:20,452
Speaker 2: lady complaining about the robot still takes her clothes down

2037
01:45:20,492 --> 01:45:22,412
Speaker 2: to the river and beats them with the rock rather

2038
01:45:22,492 --> 01:45:26,133
Speaker 2: than using a washing machine. This is just progress. But

2039
01:45:26,893 --> 01:45:28,932
Speaker 2: I guess you sort of raise another question because if

2040
01:45:28,933 --> 01:45:31,333
Speaker 2: you've got a Lexa in every room like I do,

2041
01:45:31,973 --> 01:45:34,852
Speaker 2: and you've got a washing machine or a system that

2042
01:45:34,973 --> 01:45:37,492
Speaker 2: can just you know, like it's a rumba type things

2043
01:45:37,572 --> 01:45:39,732
Speaker 2: takes the stuff to the washing machine, do you need

2044
01:45:39,772 --> 01:45:41,933
Speaker 2: a humanoid in one place? I mean, do you have

2045
01:45:42,692 --> 01:45:46,852
Speaker 2: a just I mean, you've got a dishwasher there, you know,

2046
01:45:46,973 --> 01:45:49,532
Speaker 2: you've got a washing machine, You've got Alexa, you've got

2047
01:45:49,572 --> 01:45:51,772
Speaker 2: Ai in every room. You know, why does it have

2048
01:45:51,893 --> 01:45:52,572
Speaker 2: to be humanoid?

2049
01:45:52,933 --> 01:45:53,093
Speaker 15: Yeah?

2050
01:45:53,133 --> 01:45:53,532
Speaker 3: Exactly?

2051
01:45:53,692 --> 01:45:54,053
Speaker 6: What is it?

2052
01:45:54,173 --> 01:45:55,173
Speaker 3: That's the one stop shop?

2053
01:45:55,213 --> 01:45:55,333
Speaker 6: Though?

2054
01:45:55,372 --> 01:45:58,132
Speaker 3: Wasn't it that this wee neogamma can do everything?

2055
01:45:58,452 --> 01:46:00,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just something strange about humans that we

2056
01:46:01,652 --> 01:46:03,492
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the most practical way to

2057
01:46:04,732 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 2: have it but you know, Elon Musk was talking about

2058
01:46:07,532 --> 01:46:09,612
Speaker 2: the trillions of dollars that are they're going to be

2059
01:46:09,692 --> 01:46:13,013
Speaker 2: earned by these robots going forward. And of course, you

2060
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:15,612
Speaker 2: know got robots and factories, We've got robots everywhere. But

2061
01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:18,892
Speaker 2: the need and the desire for some reason that humans

2062
01:46:18,933 --> 01:46:22,012
Speaker 2: have to have it almost it's almost like a perverse

2063
01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:23,612
Speaker 2: desire to replace ourselves.

2064
01:46:23,853 --> 01:46:24,053
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2065
01:46:24,173 --> 01:46:26,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

2066
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Speaker 3: to call. I'd love to hear your thoughts. It is

2067
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Speaker 3: nineteen to four.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor afternoons

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Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety turn every journey into something special. Call, Oh,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said, be good afternoon. It is sixteen to four,

2072
01:46:47,093 --> 01:46:49,893
Speaker 3: and we're talking about the advancement of robotics. There is

2073
01:46:49,933 --> 01:46:53,173
Speaker 3: a humanoid robot that looks pretty incredible. You can see

2074
01:46:53,173 --> 01:46:55,052
Speaker 3: a video of it called Neo Gamma.

2075
01:46:55,293 --> 01:46:57,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wearing clothes and it's got a face, it's

2076
01:46:57,973 --> 01:47:01,012
Speaker 2: got hands and legs, and it can do your your vacuuming,

2077
01:47:01,412 --> 01:47:04,012
Speaker 2: and I'll bring your coffee and we'll do your laundry. Allegedly,

2078
01:47:04,253 --> 01:47:05,732
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's good chance that when they're

2079
01:47:05,732 --> 01:47:08,652
Speaker 2: not filming, it just falls down the stairs. But it's

2080
01:47:08,853 --> 01:47:12,492
Speaker 2: AI powered and it's got open AI on boards, So

2081
01:47:12,732 --> 01:47:14,253
Speaker 2: this is just a matter of time. You look how

2082
01:47:14,333 --> 01:47:17,492
Speaker 2: fast things are advancing now. It's incredible, you know, you

2083
01:47:17,612 --> 01:47:20,213
Speaker 2: compare the first iPhone to the iPhones we have now.

2084
01:47:20,973 --> 01:47:25,213
Speaker 2: Things are advancing so incredibly rapidly. Are you scared of

2085
01:47:25,293 --> 01:47:28,652
Speaker 2: this or would you love to spend twenty grand and

2086
01:47:28,812 --> 01:47:32,013
Speaker 2: have a humanoid robot living in your house doing your

2087
01:47:32,093 --> 01:47:37,852
Speaker 2: chores for you? Craig your thoughts on domestic robots, Yeah,

2088
01:47:37,933 --> 01:47:40,372
Speaker 2: I think yeah, if.

2089
01:47:40,213 --> 01:47:44,892
Speaker 16: You get a like female looking robots, male looking robots

2090
01:47:45,333 --> 01:47:47,412
Speaker 16: would be great. To have a female robots that would

2091
01:47:47,412 --> 01:47:50,572
Speaker 16: do all the vacuumine and ironing and loading that this

2092
01:47:50,933 --> 01:47:52,372
Speaker 16: was that never gets tired.

2093
01:47:53,652 --> 01:47:53,892
Speaker 6: I don't.

2094
01:47:54,412 --> 01:47:56,532
Speaker 16: I don't think the woman's livers would like it very much.

2095
01:47:57,213 --> 01:48:00,372
Speaker 2: So say you're saying by very just by the virtue

2096
01:48:00,532 --> 01:48:03,253
Speaker 2: of the way it looks, Because people can just decide

2097
01:48:03,293 --> 01:48:06,893
Speaker 2: how it looks that that it would do the the

2098
01:48:07,532 --> 01:48:11,333
Speaker 2: historically female batistic chores. It's a controversial upon you.

2099
01:48:12,532 --> 01:48:14,692
Speaker 16: I ain't gonna high I'm not going to buy a

2100
01:48:14,772 --> 01:48:17,532
Speaker 16: man robot to do the chores. I'm a female robot.

2101
01:48:17,572 --> 01:48:20,133
Speaker 2: What what would you want your man robot to do, Craig,

2102
01:48:21,812 --> 01:48:26,452
Speaker 2: I would have one of them. Yeah, you're not looking

2103
01:48:26,492 --> 01:48:31,253
Speaker 2: at getting into a romantic relationship with this this female robot,

2104
01:48:31,293 --> 01:48:31,972
Speaker 2: are you, Craig?

2105
01:48:32,973 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 16: Absolutely not the wife still at home robot.

2106
01:48:43,812 --> 01:48:45,652
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Craig. I mean that is

2107
01:48:45,812 --> 01:48:50,293
Speaker 2: that is that's a very interesting concept because for some reason,

2108
01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:53,932
Speaker 2: when I look at these robots that X one are making,

2109
01:48:54,572 --> 01:48:57,253
Speaker 2: these neo gammas, they look male to me, that they're

2110
01:48:57,333 --> 01:49:01,013
Speaker 2: kind of they're kind of a sexual, and that they

2111
01:49:01,053 --> 01:49:02,372
Speaker 2: don't well they are and they don't they don't have

2112
01:49:02,412 --> 01:49:07,253
Speaker 2: any genitals or anything, but there's something quite masculine about them.

2113
01:49:08,333 --> 01:49:10,452
Speaker 3: That's my robot, that aren't they But there will.

2114
01:49:10,412 --> 01:49:13,093
Speaker 2: Be a higher than zero number of people that will

2115
01:49:13,133 --> 01:49:15,932
Speaker 2: want these robots. I mean, I've seen that a documentary

2116
01:49:16,013 --> 01:49:18,932
Speaker 2: and a guy that just has these realistic looking, life

2117
01:49:19,013 --> 01:49:22,532
Speaker 2: size human doles in his house and he takes them

2118
01:49:22,532 --> 01:49:24,532
Speaker 2: everywhere and takes pictures them. It's a big thing. So

2119
01:49:24,612 --> 01:49:27,293
Speaker 2: that we definitely a market for people that want to

2120
01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:32,133
Speaker 2: replace their partner with a robot. I mean, for me,

2121
01:49:32,612 --> 01:49:35,932
Speaker 2: that seems like a little bit shallow, a little bit

2122
01:49:35,973 --> 01:49:40,052
Speaker 2: dystopian and it makes me feel a little bit echy.

2123
01:49:40,853 --> 01:49:42,893
Speaker 2: But then again, I don't know. I haven't tried it.

2124
01:49:44,933 --> 01:49:49,612
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred eighty is another to cool Malcolm, Malcolm,

2125
01:49:49,652 --> 01:49:50,333
Speaker 3: welcome to the show.

2126
01:49:51,532 --> 01:49:51,892
Speaker 15: Hi.

2127
01:49:53,173 --> 01:49:57,732
Speaker 4: I can't put anything worse than robots yep. But however,

2128
01:49:58,973 --> 01:50:01,253
Speaker 4: I haven't been listening. All I've been in on the topic.

2129
01:50:01,333 --> 01:50:09,412
Speaker 4: But most of the best film on AI is artificial intelligence, right,

2130
01:50:09,532 --> 01:50:14,492
Speaker 4: and that was a Spielberg film, but in reality it

2131
01:50:14,732 --> 01:50:17,652
Speaker 4: was a Stanley Kubrick film. He just he wore all

2132
01:50:17,692 --> 01:50:21,133
Speaker 4: the storyboards, but he just didn't fill up to the

2133
01:50:21,213 --> 01:50:24,293
Speaker 4: technology to do it. So if you watch it, the

2134
01:50:24,412 --> 01:50:28,532
Speaker 4: Ortman credits is an amblem, even though he was dead.

2135
01:50:28,973 --> 01:50:31,173
Speaker 3: Joel that was that? Who was in that one?

2136
01:50:31,253 --> 01:50:35,972
Speaker 15: That's so on? Yeah, law, absolutely brilliant film.

2137
01:50:36,452 --> 01:50:40,812
Speaker 2: It goes incredibly deep and it's one ends in a

2138
01:50:40,933 --> 01:50:44,612
Speaker 2: way that you know, you can have discussions about for

2139
01:50:44,933 --> 01:50:45,492
Speaker 2: a long time.

2140
01:50:46,572 --> 01:50:49,093
Speaker 15: Well, in many ways it was more a Kubrick film.

2141
01:50:49,293 --> 01:50:52,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of asking

2142
01:50:53,013 --> 01:50:55,973
Speaker 2: similar in a way questions as two thousand and one

2143
01:50:56,013 --> 01:50:56,652
Speaker 2: Space Odysy.

2144
01:50:57,133 --> 01:50:57,692
Speaker 6: You know what is.

2145
01:50:59,973 --> 01:51:04,692
Speaker 4: Has more controversial film? The Clock of Orange. Yeah, it

2146
01:51:04,893 --> 01:51:08,253
Speaker 4: was huge in the UK, but there was so much criticism.

2147
01:51:08,372 --> 01:51:11,692
Speaker 4: He was the only director to my knowledge, that had

2148
01:51:11,853 --> 01:51:15,293
Speaker 4: total distribution. He said, you don't like it, he pulled

2149
01:51:15,333 --> 01:51:15,972
Speaker 4: it himself.

2150
01:51:17,333 --> 01:51:17,532
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2151
01:51:18,173 --> 01:51:21,572
Speaker 3: Another one, Malcolm, that just and you're very well versed

2152
01:51:21,612 --> 01:51:23,852
Speaker 3: on Stanley Kubrick. But another one that just brings some mind,

2153
01:51:23,933 --> 01:51:25,812
Speaker 3: not quite as deep, but by a centennial man with

2154
01:51:26,293 --> 01:51:26,972
Speaker 3: Robin Williams.

2155
01:51:28,013 --> 01:51:28,893
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I've got that.

2156
01:51:29,213 --> 01:51:33,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's also based on a book by what's

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Speaker 2: his name was talking about him before Isaac Asimov. But

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Speaker 2: you know, while we're talking about Kubrick firms, have you

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Speaker 2: heard the new theories that have been putting around around eyes?

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Speaker 2: White's shut because you know he he died not long

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Speaker 2: after he.

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Speaker 15: Died in two one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got every movie he made, yes, so, including

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Speaker 4: Fear and Desire. I think you can sider it online,

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Speaker 4: but you won't see his films online.

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Speaker 15: But it's a life and pictures.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so shut as their suggestions now because he passed

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Speaker 2: that the studio re edited it and there's there's versions

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Speaker 2: out there that there's versions that haven't been released out there.

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Speaker 2: I heard Roger Avery, who was the co writer of

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Speaker 2: Pulp Fiction, talking about this that there's there's the script

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Speaker 2: with a voiceover, and there's a very different movie. And

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Speaker 2: it is now believed that the studio after he died

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Speaker 2: cut it before and cut their version that they thought

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Speaker 2: was more commercial because.

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Speaker 15: About a few weeks after top Cruisi and his then

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Speaker 15: wife Nicole Kidman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So there's there's there's there's a conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theory out there that seems to have a lot of

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Speaker 2: you know, backing to it that they just re edited

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Speaker 2: it try and make it more commercial because it is.

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Speaker 2: It is his oddest film.

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Speaker 6: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is the least Kubricky film. I'd say eyes watch Chat.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, my favorite still is Doctor Strong.

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Speaker 2: And brilliant movie. Absolutely brilliant movie. Peter Sellers, complete genius

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Speaker 2: at the top of his game.

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Speaker 24: Hey, thank you so much, But just going Peter Sellers

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Speaker 24: in real life was very nasty man, was he? That's

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Speaker 24: off in the way I've seen docer where his son

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Speaker 24: said he was a bashard.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all right, Darren sees our washing machine uses AI

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Speaker 2: for loading senses and messages my wife when it's finished

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Speaker 2: and ready to be hung out. What about if it

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Speaker 2: could then walk outdoors hanging things up itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it maybe be a little bit you know, loving companion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then come give you a kis good night.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty. Ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: of call. It is nine to four.

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Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 5: everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention

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Speaker 2: News Talks B It is six to four.

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Speaker 3: Great discussion. Couple of texts here, God help us.

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Speaker 2: Of all the robots run by the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 2: would all get slaughtered. Bloody rumbers already have software in

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Speaker 2: them that can be hacked into watch where it is

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Speaker 2: going and proving at us the world is going mad. Look,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true. I'm suspicious that rombers

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Speaker 2: can hack in and watch you get changed. I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure if rombers are into that kind of thing or rumors.

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Speaker 2: But if they are rumors, rombers, it's rumors, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Our washing machine uses AI already, so you know it's

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Speaker 2: all coming in that. That's what you know. We're all

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Speaker 2: worried about the robots. That is the point I was

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Speaker 2: trying to make before they are they are when we're

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Speaker 2: spending so much time online, and you know, the robots

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Speaker 2: can duplicate themselves much quicker online than having to make

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Speaker 2: a future make actual bodies, physical bodies for themselves. And

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Speaker 2: you know, if you're like me, you've got an Alexra

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Speaker 2: in every moom. You've got automation and so many parts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a good chance before we ever get

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Speaker 2: the human humanoid robots in our house doing our laundry

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Speaker 2: for us, that everything is being done for us, sort

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Speaker 2: of stealthily. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a deep sea is my smart washing machine.

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Speaker 3: Means I can start alone to end when I wake up,

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Speaker 3: so it is there before I hit to work and

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Speaker 3: dry by the time I'm back on my shift. Same

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Speaker 3: with my roomba. This neo Gamma is just an extension

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Speaker 3: of that. If it ever comes to New Zealand, you

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Speaker 3: bet on buying one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's kind of what I'm saying in this text.

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Speaker 2: Agrees as well. We have both laun and my robot

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Speaker 2: and vacuum both save time we can leave the house

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Speaker 2: for work and they start work. Would love a robot

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Speaker 2: for cleaning windows in laundry, et cetera, so that it

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Speaker 2: just comes in an increments.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I just think them. You know, I

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Speaker 3: wonder if there's going to be a bit of a pushback.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not according to these tecks. And you know, it

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Speaker 3: appears if there's a fellow out there that's a bit lonely,

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Speaker 3: they don't mind the idea of a nice robot.

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem is, like everything with humans, as we

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Speaker 2: always take it sexual, don't we eventually? Okay, so today

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Speaker 2: we've learned that we love gold and probably always will,

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Speaker 2: that forty eight percent of under forty four year old

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Speaker 2: males in New Zealand like the idea of a benevolent dictator.

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Speaker 2: And we also learned that we're about fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: on having domestic humanoid robots in our house doing the.

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Speaker 15: Washing for us.

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Speaker 3: Good times.

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Speaker 2: See us tomorrow for another edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons.

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Speaker 2: Until then, give them a taste of here We from us.

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