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Speaker 1: No, you would have seen sever rees yesterday of cause.

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Speaker 1: Very apologetic, having been discharged without conviction following a post

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Speaker 1: Cup Day party. He was initially facing a couple of

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Speaker 1: charges of intentional damage taking a card dishonestly without claim.

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Speaker 1: One charge was dropped. In New Zealand, Planers Association boss

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Speaker 1: Rob Nichols with this morning.

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Speaker 2: Good body of mine.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to point out, isn't it. In

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Speaker 1: this case the judge said anyone would have been treated

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Speaker 1: the same way, so he didn't get a special deal

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Speaker 1: because of who he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, at some point we've all got to

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Speaker 2: step back and trust judicial system. But it is interesting

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Speaker 2: whether it's a rugby player or another person with a

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Speaker 2: high profile, as they're involved in an incident that ultimately

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Speaker 2: needs police tour intervene. You know, there's an intensity and

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Speaker 2: scrutiny on the police to get it right. So that

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Speaker 2: tends to mean that they're definitely how to account and

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Speaker 2: put before the courts when they do go before the courts.

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Speaker 2: Because of the attention, we find the courts are pretty

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Speaker 2: good about name suppression. To allow people to gather themselves,

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Speaker 2: get me good advice, take stock of the situation and

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Speaker 2: then as the process goes on, as a very high

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Speaker 2: threshold put against people with profile, and for them to

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Speaker 2: get a discharge without conviction, they have to demonstrate a

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Speaker 2: lot to the court, probably more than a normal person.

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Speaker 2: But that's part of the package.

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Speaker 1: Do you argue with these guys that if they ever

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Speaker 1: end up in the situation he did, that you don't

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Speaker 1: chase down name suppression in other words, try to hide

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Speaker 1: from it. Is there an instruction there or not?

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Speaker 2: There's no instruction. I mean, it's very much about the

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Speaker 2: individual person getting their own legal advice. But by and

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Speaker 2: large our approach to be perfectly honest is normally heavy

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Speaker 2: stuffed up here or not, because if you did our

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Speaker 2: expectation as you own it, and in owning it, yes,

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Speaker 2: you've got to get your advice and initial name suppression,

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Speaker 2: which the courts are pretty good at granting, just because

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Speaker 2: of the media scrutiny not just on the person of

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Speaker 2: profile that's involved, but also on the victim or complainants

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Speaker 2: in these situations. You know, often when these things come

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Speaker 2: before the courts, everyone needs a bit of time to

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Speaker 2: gather themselves, and having the whole country in some cases

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Speaker 2: the world aware of it doesn't help anyone. So the

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Speaker 2: courts are pretty good about that side of it. But

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Speaker 2: we're very much about if you didn't do it, and

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Speaker 2: you're going to defend, then fair call. But if you

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Speaker 2: did do it, you know the way in which you

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Speaker 2: approach it, the way you own the situation, the way

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Speaker 2: you demonstrate to everyone, including the victims and complaints, that

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Speaker 2: you have recognized your stuffed up and you take positive steps.

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Speaker 2: And if the court sees that, that tends to help.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter whether you're a personal profile or not.

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Speaker 2: But I tell you what, discharge without conviction. But you're

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Speaker 2: still all over the TV, You're all over the media.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a person in the country that

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Speaker 2: won't know what's taking place here and that that brings

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Speaker 2: a level of accountability on their actions. You know, Sevu's

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Speaker 2: stopped drinking, he's taken a lot of steps and shown

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Speaker 2: actually really good growth over the last year and a half.

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Speaker 2: So whilst they have a lot of empathy for the

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Speaker 2: victims in the situation, it's also actually a good thing

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Speaker 2: for him in terms of the steps he's taken. And

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Speaker 2: I guess that's what we want from a judicial system, right.

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Speaker 1: I think so Okay, I appreciate it. Rob Nickol out

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Speaker 1: of the Plaza says yes.

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