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Speaker 1: Nine two nine two is the numbers of text. Trump says,

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Speaker 1: don't take panadole. They call it tarlanole if you're pregnant,

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Speaker 1: because your baby might get autism. True story. Have a listen.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I think I could say that

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Speaker 2: there are certain groups of people that don't take vaccines

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Speaker 2: and don't take any pills that have no autism. Does

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Speaker 2: that tell you something that's currently Is that a correct statement?

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Speaker 2: By the way, there.

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Speaker 1: Are some studies that suggested, say yeah, with the Amish,

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Speaker 1: for example.

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Speaker 2: The Amish, Yeah, virtually No, I heard none.

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Speaker 1: Right, that was RFK Junior you heard in the background.

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Speaker 1: He wants a form of folic acid approved as a

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Speaker 1: treatment for children with autism, calling it an epidemic. Medsafe,

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Speaker 1: by the way, says there's no proven link between parasittamol

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Speaker 1: and autism. Dane Duggan is Autism New Zealand Chief Executive

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Speaker 1: with me this afternoon. Hi Dane, Hey Ryan, how are

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Speaker 1: you very well? Thank you? What did you make of

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Speaker 1: that press conference?

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Speaker 3: Ah? It was hard to watch.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We've got serious concerns about these misleading claims. As you

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Speaker 3: mentioned before, Medsafe said there is no lack or sorry,

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Speaker 3: there is no evidence at all to show there's a

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Speaker 3: link between paracetamo and autism when the mother's pregnant. It

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Speaker 3: can be really harmful these types of statements because you

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Speaker 3: start to be blaming the mother if the mother took

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Speaker 3: paracetamol during pregnancy that cause autism creates a lot of

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Speaker 3: issues in it itself, and there's a real risk that

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Speaker 3: we're going to have premature medical endorsements over in the

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Speaker 3: United States for things that don't have any cause or

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Speaker 3: link at all at this point in time. So it's

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Speaker 3: really really concerning. As concerning as that is, the way

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Speaker 3: that the whole press conference was actually framed, it was

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Speaker 3: very negative. It was caused it was talking about autism

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Speaker 3: as a major issue. We take a very neuro affirm

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Speaker 3: approach to autism, where we know that having diversity and

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Speaker 3: society can make a really positive difference in society, and

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Speaker 3: we also know that our community, you get the right

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Speaker 3: supports around them, can live a very productive, fulfilling life,

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Speaker 3: and really, at the end of the day, that's the

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Speaker 3: main thing. So nothing about the press conference this morning

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Speaker 3: was overly optimistic from our perspective.

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Speaker 1: Dane, he says, it's an epidemic and We've heard this before,

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Speaker 1: that there are more and more people kids with autism

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Speaker 1: now than there have ever been before. I think Trump

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Speaker 1: said I've never met a seventy year old man with autism.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to laugh, But is it true.

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Speaker 3: No, So as our understanding of autism has grown and evolved,

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Speaker 3: things have evolved with that. So the actual criteria to

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Speaker 3: actually diagnose people as autistic has changed over those years,

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Speaker 3: which has led to more people being diagnosed, which I

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Speaker 3: think is a positive thing because it allows them to

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Speaker 3: understand themselves a bit better. One of the first people

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Speaker 3: I met in this job, actually, Ryan, I been in

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Speaker 3: a job for twelve years, was a lady that got

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Speaker 3: diagnosed in her sixties. So I have met a sixty

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Speaker 3: year old woman and many of them who have been

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Speaker 3: diagnosed as autistic as well. But also there's clearly a

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Speaker 3: genetic length, there's no doubt about that. That's been definitively proved.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of the time you'll go in and

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Speaker 3: get your son or daughter diagnose, and you look at

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Speaker 3: someone else in the family and they may get diagnosed,

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Speaker 3: which means that jumps in numbers as well. So I

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Speaker 3: think it's set in about right probably the numbers. We

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Speaker 3: don't actually capture numbers in New Zealand because people get

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Speaker 3: diagnosed in many different ways. But it seems about right

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Speaker 3: to me. And look, whether it's about support or not,

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Speaker 3: it's actually about self understanding and self awareness as well.

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Speaker 3: And when I talk to adults who have been diagnosed

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Speaker 3: at adults, it's a really really important part for them

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Speaker 3: as understanding themselves and their journie and life and how

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Speaker 3: they've got to where they are.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dane, appreciate your time this afternoon. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with me, Dame Dagan, who's Autism New Zealand Chief Executive.

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