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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Ryan

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Speaker 1: Bridge on Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News Talk zib Good afternoon, it is seven after four

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Speaker 2: News Talk, said b coming up our lead interview after

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Speaker 2: five Nikola Willis on the appalling state of the government's books.

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Speaker 2: What's she going to do about it? Plus we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to Orana Wildlife Park. Why can't we see the reports

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Speaker 2: into the animal desk there? Also this afternoon, while we're

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Speaker 2: all drugged up on prescription medication and Prince Andrew's Andrew's

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Speaker 2: going to be alone at Christmas? Is it his fault

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Speaker 2: or not? We'll ask that just before seven.

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Speaker 3: Bryan Bridge, these books are a massive shush to the Unions,

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Speaker 3: to the gold plated Dunedin Hospital bill, to the turbocharged firies.

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Speaker 2: It's shush, shush, shush to the opposition parties who are

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Speaker 2: demanding we spend billions on this or millions on that.

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Speaker 2: These numbers ask what planet are you on, bro growth

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Speaker 2: Next year, remember survived till twenty five, forget that next

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Speaker 2: year we go backwards per capita again, negative zero point

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Speaker 2: six percent. We're losers again, creative accounting aside, we won't

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Speaker 2: hit surplus until the twenty thirties. The joke here is

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Speaker 2: at the last election, Labor and National for the Record

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Speaker 2: reckon we'd be back in black by twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. Remember all that debt that we took

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Speaker 2: on during COVID to pay for all the nice things

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Speaker 2: like the school lunches and the cameras on the boats

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Speaker 2: and the bloated bureaucracy, and our debt jumped from as

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Speaker 2: a percentage of GDP doubled from twenty to forty percent. Well,

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Speaker 2: we can't start paying back any of that debt until

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Speaker 2: we're in surplus. So not until the twenty thirties do

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Speaker 2: in the early twenty twenties. So we're renewing our COVID

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Speaker 2: debt and we're taking on even more water. We're issuing

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Speaker 2: sixteen percent more debt over the next four years. That

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Speaker 2: is four times more than the economists expected. Our debt

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Speaker 2: to GDP ratio wait for it will hit almost fifty

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Speaker 2: We know what the left's answer will be. It will

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Speaker 2: be more tax but we all know that won't fix

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Speaker 2: our underlying problem, which is productivity and growth. Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: is still increasing spending, She's borrowing more, She's sure leaving

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Speaker 2: the door open to more cuts. But by the sounds

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Speaker 2: elected approach, and I don't think that's gonna last. I

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Speaker 2: just how buggered this boat is. That we've all been

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Speaker 2: sailing in full of holes with shoddy captains who long

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Speaker 1: Praying Bridge.

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Speaker 2: It has just gone now nine minutes after four. The

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Speaker 2: Chief Onwardsman says he has serious concerns about human rights

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Speaker 2: abuses at New Zealand's most secure prison. He's released a

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Speaker 2: report on the prison of the Extreme Risk Unit, which

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Speaker 2: is an Aucand based prison that houses the Christ Church

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Speaker 2: Mosque shooter and other serious criminals. According to the report,

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Speaker 2: conditions in the unit are cruel, inhumane and in breach

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Speaker 2: of the United Nations Convention against Torture. Peter bosh Is,

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Speaker 2: the Chief Bombards Minis with me this afternoon, good afternoon,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon to you, Ryan. What exactly are we doing

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Speaker 4: Well, what we're doing is this. In twenty nineteen, this

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Speaker 4: eighteen cells. It's unlike anything else you'll see in the

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Speaker 4: department's corrections in that it largely self manages, with a

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Speaker 4: minimum oversight from corrections itself. So it practices these things

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Speaker 4: ryan solitary consignment, twenty three hours in the cell each day,

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Speaker 2: So I guess the lessoners don't shoot up a mosque.

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Speaker 4: Whatever one says about why people are in there, the

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Speaker 4: fact is, in New Zealand, we've signed up for minimum standards.

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Speaker 4: We're not reaching those standards. We say we'll do one

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Speaker 4: that's just not good enough, and it's not the way

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Speaker 4: I would have thought New Zealanders would want this rather

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Speaker 2: How many hours per day should the let's take the

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Speaker 2: Christchurch mustrator for example, how many hours per day outside

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Speaker 4: Well, let's not talk about any particular person. What I'd

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Speaker 2: Anyone in the unit, how long should they be getting.

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Speaker 4: They should have a minimum of one hour of fresh air,

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Speaker 4: the so called exercise areas that are joined their cells, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: they're just reading an extension of their own cells there

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Speaker 4: just up to the prisoner themselves. No one else is

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Speaker 4: in this little exercise area. But it's the solitary nature

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Speaker 2: Are we going to rehabilitate these people? And if not,

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Speaker 4: Most prisoners, most prisoners, there are one or two only

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Speaker 4: becoming fairly desperate. So I would have hoped that rehabilitation

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Speaker 2: where are we best to spend our money? I mean,

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Speaker 2: isn't this the last place you would put resource just

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Speaker 2: because of the fact that most of them, well, as

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Speaker 2: you say, some of them might even be getting out.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but when someone comes out of prison and immediately

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Speaker 4: causes a major, serious crime, think of all the victims

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Speaker 4: and all the damage that flows from that. I just

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Speaker 2: Did you go Did you go inside to this unit?

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Speaker 2: Did you talk to the turb Brendon Tarran.

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Speaker 4: I've talked to a range of people inside the unit,

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Speaker 2: I mean, these are the worst of the worst in

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they are pretty normal, normal from the

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And they're not normal to us?

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Speaker 4: No, no, normal from the point of view being. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: and I just think it's worth repeating two comments. The

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Speaker 4: Another it's all darkness and despair, no hope. Another prisoner

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Speaker 4: And I tried to work out how you would actually

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Speaker 2: Peter Bosher, thank you very much for your time, the

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Speaker 2: chief on boardsman. A lot of people would say absolutely yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you have this quote all darkness, despair

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Speaker 6: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Gone eighteen after four news talks, there'd be I'll get

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Speaker 7: Still trying to reel in a cricketer for the program

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Speaker 7: it's not. It's finished and we're still watch seventeen days

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Speaker 7: out from the it's so be it. But victory today

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Speaker 7: who's going to pay first five for the crusaders just

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Speaker 2: Out right now, which is what he wanted, which is

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Speaker 7: Well, it's good, that's Australian swagger and he wants to

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Speaker 2: So good day in Hamilton today, Yeah, Well New Zealand

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Speaker 2: as well. I'll just run you through very quickly, Obi

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Speaker 2: And looking at what's happening around the world. A teacher

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Speaker 1: Five International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent Murray Olds is with us. Murray, good afternoon

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Speaker 2: to you, Hi, Ryan, afternoon. Our mother and daughter who

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Speaker 13: Out of intensive care and where they were briefly in Fiji,

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Speaker 13: I said that right, colada, Yeah, pina colada, hideous drinking.

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Speaker 13: You talk about diabetes and a glass. Anyway, they're going

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Speaker 2: So they've got some of the bottles taking them home testing.

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Speaker 2: The Federal government giving Peter Dutton's a nuclear plan a

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Speaker 6: Mate?

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Speaker 13: This is bare knuckle political fighting over here.

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Speaker 6: Is it going to be the main election issue? I

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Speaker 13: Just simple dollars and cents, the cost of living will

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Speaker 13: Dutton came out last week presented his alternative energy plan

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Speaker 13: So look, it is a it's a very divisive debate.

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Speaker 13: You listen to talk Pack radio over here. You've got

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Speaker 13: as far as I'm concerned, the elite scientists of this country,

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Speaker 13: you said, no, it's not a goer. It'll be too expensive,

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Speaker 13: it'll take too long and won't deliver what we need.

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Speaker 13: And that's you know, but everybody wants the second guest

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Speaker 2: Ir Murray, thank you for that. Murray Olds are Australia

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Speaker 2: That was the plan. However that plan has failed and

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Speaker 2: we are now not going to be able to reverse

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Speaker 2: the band that the previous government put in place until

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Speaker 2: next year, so we've delayed by about three months. What

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Speaker 2: impact will that have? Pet's something we can looked at

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Speaker 2: with Barry after.

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Speaker 1: This Politics with centrics credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, everybody. It is quarter to five on news Talks.

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Speaker 2: Here b Barry Sopers here with politics. Hey Barry, Good afternoon, Ryan.

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Speaker 14: That question your post about oil and gas, if you

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Speaker 14: were a possible and investor in this country, you would

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Speaker 14: look at that and go, well, hang home. They haven't

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Speaker 14: even given a certainty.

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Speaker 2: That we're going to put up money, you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: be able to invest because remember the ban happened out

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Speaker 2: of the blue, So if you're an investor, you're going

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Speaker 2: hang on a minute. They with no warning. The next

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Speaker 2: overnight they ban it, and then they tell us for

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Speaker 2: a year and a half they're going to undo the band.

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Speaker 2: But even then they can't do that. It's not a

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Speaker 2: great sign.

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Speaker 14: It's not a great look at all.

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Speaker 2: Neither's the books better, I know, and it's.

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Speaker 14: Nothing to laugh about. I mean, it's dreadful. There's more

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Speaker 14: figures coming out on Thursday, the GDP figures, and the

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Speaker 14: view is that we will probably see the third technical

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Speaker 14: recession in two years when they come out. So we're

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Speaker 14: in a terrible statius an economy. And in fairness, I mean,

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Speaker 14: I know they've had a year, but if you inherited

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Speaker 14: books as bad as what they did in terms of

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Speaker 14: spending and in terms of debt to GDP, it's very

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Speaker 14: hard to turn that around overnight. And they're finding that.

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Speaker 14: I mean, when you look at a thirteen billion dollar

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Speaker 14: hit to the text take over the next four years,

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Speaker 14: which is pretty extraordinary, there's a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 14: expected on. There'll be more borrowing, which is what the

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Speaker 14: government said it would never want to do, but there

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Speaker 14: will be to make up for that sort of thing.

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Speaker 14: And like you said earlier, I think in your intro

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Speaker 14: that debt to GDP is expected to hit fifty percent

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Speaker 14: and you imagine what that means in the cost of

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Speaker 14: repaying that debt. And we're paying about nine billion dollars

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Speaker 14: now a year to repay the debt that's going to

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Speaker 14: go up quite high when borrows or people that we

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Speaker 14: borrow off look at New Zealand and say, well, it's

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Speaker 14: not such a good bet. But despite all the doom

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Speaker 14: and gloom, Nicol of the Willis was putting on a

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Speaker 14: brave face in Parliament this afternoon.

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Speaker 15: The economy has reached a turning point. Inflation is back

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Speaker 15: under control, and that matters to every New Zealander who

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Speaker 15: has struggled with rising prices over these past three years.

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Speaker 15: The Reserve Bank has begun reducing interest rates and that

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Speaker 15: matters not just to every family with a mortgage, that

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Speaker 15: it matters to the small businesses who are going to

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Speaker 15: see more money flowing into their tills too, as those

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Speaker 15: families have a bit more to spend.

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Speaker 16: And mister speaker, what.

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Speaker 15: These books also show is that household spending and business

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Speaker 15: activity is expected to lift.

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Speaker 2: So she is keeping spending up. Yep, she is borrowing

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Speaker 2: much more, and she's refusing to cut further into government

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Speaker 2: spending than she already has. Is that kind of stick, Well.

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Speaker 14: It's going to be really hard, you know, when it

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Speaker 14: comes to budgets they always have this money that they

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Speaker 14: set aside. She's about two point four billion dollars and

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Speaker 14: that sounds a lot of money, but when you look

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Speaker 14: at the order of things, it's not a lot given

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Speaker 14: what they've been spending on up until now. So you know,

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Speaker 14: good luck.

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Speaker 2: She's on the show. After five, we'll ask you them

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Speaker 2: willing to counsel sticking to their core business. Oh, I

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Speaker 2: won't spend.

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Speaker 14: Much time and just on this, just to say, isn't

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Speaker 14: it ironic? The day after the Government says that councils

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Speaker 14: should be sticking to their knitting like potholes and cycle

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Speaker 14: not doing cycle ways and looking after their water infrastructure,

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Speaker 14: you've got the Wellington City Council finest a final sitting

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Speaker 14: of the year. They debate with to write a submission

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Speaker 14: against the Treaty Principal's Bill. They know it's not going

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Speaker 14: to become law. Why are they involving ratepayers money, time

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Speaker 14: and effort doing something. They're just bloody stupid.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it had a fast tracked law. It's

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Speaker 2: through its final stage this afternoon the House.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, and this is you know, this is a big

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Speaker 14: deal because there's so much been talked about this it's

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Speaker 14: driving forces the Minister Chris Bishop who told Parliament it'll

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Speaker 14: remove the sticky beaks on councils aforementioned and they of

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Speaker 14: course always a prolonged project which means they cost a

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Speaker 14: lot more.

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Speaker 17: So here he is, we have to stop giving into

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Speaker 17: the nimby low growth status quo minority.

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Speaker 2: We deserve a country we're.

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Speaker 17: Thriving infrastructure and world class industry when these illinders can

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Speaker 17: live the lives they want to live without having to

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Speaker 17: get sign off from the local council for every single

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Speaker 17: thing they do. Fass Trak is about saying yes when

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Speaker 17: for too long.

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Speaker 2: We have said no.

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Speaker 14: And that is true. I mean you look at the RAMA,

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Speaker 14: the handiwork of our old law professor, Sir Jeffrey Palmer.

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Speaker 14: I mean, honestly, should never let a law expert before

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Speaker 14: into a parliament and make laws like the RAMA.

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Speaker 2: And yet he's right. Look at the growth track that

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Speaker 2: we're on for the next couple of years and I

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Speaker 2: mean per capita we're still we're going backwards again next year.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to do something. It's a real worry

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Speaker 2: the outcome of the investigation into the monydableman I and

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Speaker 2: rigging won't be known until next year.

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Speaker 14: Now, yeah, that's a real problem because of course the

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Speaker 14: multi party and the thick of this, and the police

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Speaker 14: are looking at it, the Privacy commissioners looking at it,

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Speaker 14: a whole lot of government departments are looking at it.

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Speaker 14: This is where census information was used by the Mudai

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Speaker 14: that the chief Executive was also a candidate for the

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Speaker 14: Maldi party. The Moldy Party has been accused of exploiting

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Speaker 14: what should have been confidential data handed over in the census.

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Speaker 14: But in Parliament this afternoon their co leader Rivalry waited

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Speaker 14: tea we're showing no signs of the pressure, accusing the

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Speaker 14: Prime Minister of forgetting those at the bottom of the heap.

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Speaker 11: Seventeen thousand children are going to be taken out of

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Speaker 11: poverty compared to the last year of the Labor governments,

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Speaker 11: where twenty three thousand more children were put in poverty.

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Speaker 18: What does he say to Logan, a seven year old

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Speaker 18: to Mati who wrote you Tanta asking for burger to share.

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Speaker 6: With his mum for Christmas.

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Speaker 11: I acknowledge that across his element, it's a pretty tough time.

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Speaker 11: That's what happens when you don't run an economy.

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Speaker 18: Well, if I sold three houses and seven hundred and

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Speaker 18: sixty nine thousand, five hundred and non tax capital gains.

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Speaker 6: How many burgers can I buy?

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Speaker 2: The logan?

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Speaker 18: And honestly, the Prime Minister cannot be expected to know

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Speaker 18: the fluctuating price of burger.

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Speaker 10: Skiing wheel of the world, let alone new Land questions

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Speaker 10: out of order.

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Speaker 18: That sort of question is outrageous.

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Speaker 13: Extremis that have gone extreme and would not be accepting

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Speaker 13: any first world parliament, let alone this one.

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Speaker 7: He has been going since eighteen fifty four.

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Speaker 18: Has he read the book by Mary McHugh How not

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Speaker 18: to become a prodigy old man?

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Speaker 14: I think he should do a bit of reading himself

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Speaker 14: before he gets up in parliament mass questions.

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Speaker 2: That's very Soper politics. What a mess. Jerry would know

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Speaker 2: the pass of the burger, wouldn't He.

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Speaker 14: Don't be unkind?

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Speaker 2: Eight to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfast with us.

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Speaker 19: Is the Prime Minister Chris Lux and the phone in

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Speaker 19: school's band.

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Speaker 11: I was very passionate about it. I'd seen it in

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Speaker 11: other parts of the world. We've seen the advice actually

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Speaker 11: from schools that already had it, and we got that

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Speaker 11: through which is great and we.

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Speaker 6: Got it done fast.

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Speaker 2: Why did you care so much about it?

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Speaker 11: Basically, principals, teachers, parents, kids felt out of control about it.

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Speaker 11: The reality was at the massive distraction in the classroom.

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Speaker 11: We've got serious issues around literacy and numeracies. We've talked

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Speaker 11: before in school attendance. Those are the three things we've

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Speaker 11: got to focus on. And it's been cool because actually, yes,

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Speaker 11: we took a bit of grief from the media in

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Speaker 11: the beginning and they're position But the point is the

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Speaker 11: principles the same rug. People are going through windows again,

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Speaker 11: kids are actually talking to each other, cyber bullying is down,

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Speaker 11: and kids are less distracted. So all that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplus on the mic Hosking Breakfasts back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with the Jaguar f Base on Newstalks dB.

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Speaker 2: It is five to five News Talks edb Vanuata is

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Speaker 2: a beautiful little country with such a big heart, and

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Speaker 2: they've been struck by a seven point three magnitude earthquake

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Speaker 2: today followed by a five point five after shock. Now

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Speaker 2: there is a video out there showing buildings shaking, some

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Speaker 2: buildings wrecked, some buildings with damage to them. There's a

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Speaker 2: video of the building that's home to the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: High Commission, also home to the US Embassy, the French Embassy,

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Speaker 2: and it shows huge cracks going down the side. It's

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Speaker 2: got windows caved in. It looks like the bottom floor

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Speaker 2: of it may have collapsed as well, So it looks

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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of damage there. We've reached out

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Speaker 2: to m FACT to see if any reports of injuries.

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Speaker 2: But for anyone who's been there, you'll know they're beautiful people.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful place and at the moment, Port Vila,

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Speaker 2: the capital, looks quite wrecked, quite ruined. We'll keep your

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Speaker 2: cross any developments from Vandawata as they come to hand

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. Also Canada. Actually I might have to come

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Speaker 2: back to this, come back to Canada because Trudeau is

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Speaker 2: going to lose the election. In fact, after nine years

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Speaker 2: just go, you know, like just no one likes you anymore.

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Speaker 2: You're a lame duck. Anyway, he's now faced because he's

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Speaker 2: obviously down in the polls. He's having a real bad

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Speaker 2: time politically, and there's an election coming up next year

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Speaker 2: midway through next year which he's going to lose. But

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Speaker 2: he's today lost his deputy Prime Minister and her name

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Speaker 2: is Christia Freeman, and they reckon that she has resigned

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Speaker 2: to distance herself from him because she wants to take over.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. It's all over the budget. Of course,

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Speaker 2: no one's having a good time with their budgets at

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Speaker 2: the moment, are they anywhere in the world. No matter

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Speaker 2: where you look. France collapse, the government, they still haven't

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Speaker 2: got a new one. Germany everywhere, all including here in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. And Nikola Willis will join us on that afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Wal Oh, the only drive show you can trust to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, get the answers, finder facts and give

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Speaker 1: the analysis. Ryan Bridge on Heather Duplessy Ellen Drive with

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Speaker 1: One New Zealand. Let's get connected news talk as z'b.

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Speaker 2: Good evening. It is seven after five. New Zealand's financial

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Speaker 2: troubles confirm today and things look even worse than we fared.

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Speaker 2: There's no surplus in sight and the books will stay

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Speaker 2: in the read until at least twenty twenty nine. And

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Speaker 2: that's only thanks to a bit of accounting trickery that

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Speaker 2: will see ACC's deficit removed from the books. The Finance Minister,

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willison with me on the show. Minister, thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for your time. On a scale of one

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Speaker 2: to ten, where do you put this? How bad do

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Speaker 2: you put this?

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Speaker 20: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Well, look, this is a tough set of books, there's

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Speaker 8: no question about it. We've seen a downgrade in the

657
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Speaker 8: forecast assumptions that Treasury were making prior to the election.

658
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Speaker 8: They were essentially too optimistic before the election and that

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Speaker 8: has an impact both on the growth rate we're expecting,

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Speaker 8: the revenue we're going to receive, and our path back

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Speaker 8: to getting the books back in balance. But we remain

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Speaker 8: resolute what we need to do now is keep that

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Speaker 8: fiscal discipline, that careful spending going and really drive growth

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Speaker 8: across the economy. And the good news is that's what

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Speaker 8: we're doing. And there is a forecast recovery to sustained

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Speaker 8: growth next year and that's exactly what New Zealand needs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but on a per capita basis, it's down point

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Speaker 2: six percent next year, it's hardly thrived to twenty five.

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Speaker 8: Look, we've inherited a very tough set of economic conditions

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Speaker 8: and as we look ahead, we are seeing the scars

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Speaker 8: that were left by the huge spending policy. These are

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Speaker 8: the last government and the wake of COVID, they set

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Speaker 8: us on a path that was not sustainable. We've now

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Speaker 8: got the tough job of cleaning it up, and we're

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Speaker 8: going to get on and do exactly that. The good

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Speaker 8: news is New Zealanders have elected a government that's up

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Speaker 8: to this task.

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Speaker 2: You're spending less than they were, but you're still spending more.

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Speaker 2: You're still borrowing more and not cutting as much. In

680
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Speaker 2: other words, we're still having You know, our borrowing is

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Speaker 2: going to go up sixteen percent, Our government debt is

682
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Speaker 2: going to go up sixteen percent at assuing of bonds.

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Speaker 2: Because of this, it's four times more than the economist's thought.

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Speaker 8: The important thing there is that is not the result

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Speaker 8: of any fiscal or policy decisions the government's taken. That

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Speaker 8: is the result of adjust months and the Treasury's forecast

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Speaker 8: assumptions about long run productivity and the size of the

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Speaker 8: recession we've been in. So what we're doing is controlling

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Speaker 8: what we can.

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Speaker 2: But you haven't responded with fiscal policy changes.

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Speaker 8: We have responded strongly to the fiscal situation at budget

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Speaker 8: time by reducing our not just training allowances, not this time.

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Speaker 2: Why haven't you given the books have deteriorated so much

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Speaker 2: between budget and now, have you not changed your fiscals now?

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Speaker 8: Well, I've always said that I'm not going to overreact

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Speaker 8: to changes in the forecasts up or down, and that

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Speaker 8: we are deliberately taking a medium turn sustainable approach to

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Speaker 8: fiscal consolidation. You're right, there is an alternative with more

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Speaker 8: aggressive short term measures like a big increase in tax

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Speaker 8: or big slashing to spending. And the judgment we've made

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Speaker 8: is actually that would come at a cost both to

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Speaker 8: the economy and its recovery, but also to New Zealanders.

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Speaker 8: So ours is a balanced course that we're charting. It's

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Speaker 8: still going to be challenging. It's still going to involve

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Speaker 8: significant trade offs. In order to put the extra spending

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Speaker 8: into health, into education, into the police, into areas that

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Speaker 8: really need it, We're going to have to reprioritize lower

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Speaker 8: value spending from other parts of government and rarely keep

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Speaker 8: a lid on that in a way that hasn't been

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Speaker 8: the case in recent years. So you are going to

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Speaker 8: see a much more fiscally disciplined approach from US.

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Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union says. The fact is, despite the government being

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Speaker 2: elect on a platform of cutting spending. Nickeola with us

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Speaker 2: continues to spend even more than Grant Robertson and kick

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Speaker 2: the fiscal can down the road.

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Speaker 8: Well, I would just put my operating allowances up against

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Speaker 8: his any day of the week. They are the lowest

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Speaker 8: they've been since twenty seventeen. That's our discretion re spending.

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Speaker 8: The last budget, we delivered twenty three billion dollars worth

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Speaker 8: of savings, and we did that with just a few

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Speaker 8: months to find them. We've now had a year. We're

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Speaker 8: going to find more savings and it's important that we

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Speaker 8: do because everyone needs to remember that the money doesn't

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Speaker 8: come from a magic tree at the bottom of the garden.

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Speaker 8: It comes from New Zealander's pockets. And we're a government

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Speaker 8: that wants to make sure that we keep the finances

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Speaker 8: in good order. But we do it by being disciplined

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Speaker 8: about our own spending.

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Speaker 2: Excluding the ACC deficit from your books makes them look better.

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Speaker 2: But is it the right thing to do? Treasury says no.

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Speaker 8: Well, actually, there's been an independent economist who's just come out.

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Speaker 8: He's from B and Z and he makes the point

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Speaker 8: that ACC is a self funded crown entity and that

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Speaker 8: fiscal policy should not be adjusted to compensate for what

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Speaker 8: should be a long run thing. And he agrees with

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Speaker 8: that stance. So it's not just me who thinks this

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Speaker 8: is sensible. This is about saying, look, ac ses a

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Speaker 8: long run insurance scheme. It needs to fund itself over

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Speaker 8: the long term. It's inappropriate to make immediate changes to

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Speaker 8: our fiscal policy in the next four years to compensate

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Speaker 8: for a deficit or surplus in any one year.

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Speaker 2: Are there other government agencies in similar positions that you

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Speaker 2: could look to pick off and take out and improve

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Speaker 2: the look of the books.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to do that.

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Speaker 8: This was the result of a review. No, we're happy

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Speaker 8: with our obergarleex measure. That's going to be what we're

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Speaker 8: going to target. We're targeting a surplus in twenty seven

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Speaker 8: twenty eight financial year by this measure. We think that's

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Speaker 8: the appropriate way to measure the government's spending balance.

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Speaker 2: Minister, when will people feel like when are we going

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Speaker 2: to feel like we're actually getting somewhere as a country,

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Speaker 2: Because we haven't felt like that in a very long time.

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Speaker 2: And next year we're looking at and we're not even

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Speaker 2: looking at growth on a per capita next year. It's

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Speaker 2: not until the year after that we get to experience

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Speaker 2: that again, that feeling.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. New Zealand has

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Speaker 8: been through an incredibly tough time. But what we know

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Speaker 8: now is that for the first time in a long while,

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Speaker 8: we're now forecasting a consolidated period of growth, a sustained

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Speaker 8: period from growth. And that upturn has been a long

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Speaker 8: time coming, but it is now happening. And that means

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Speaker 8: that businesses and households are expected to be investing and

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Speaker 8: spending more, that we are expecting the economy to be

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Speaker 8: growing now. I want to drive that harder. I'm not

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Speaker 8: happy with just saying, oh, well, there's going to be

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Speaker 8: a cyclical return. That's why the government's driving our agenda

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Speaker 8: of doing things like fast track legislation to get development

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Speaker 8: and progress underway. That's why we're fixing the basics in

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Speaker 8: our schools. It's why we are taking new approaches to

772
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Speaker 8: infrastructure investment, getting sensible about overseas investment, because all of

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Speaker 8: those things cumulative improve the productive capacity of our economy

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Speaker 8: and that's actually where more income comes from. That's where

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Speaker 8: more opportunities come from.

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Speaker 2: Minister, Thank you very much for your time. That is

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Speaker 2: the Finance Minister Nikola Willis on the HAIFU results that

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Speaker 2: have come out today in the budget policy statement. It

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Speaker 2: has just gone thirteen minutes after five on news talks.

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Speaker 2: There be coming up next the Orana Wildlife Park in

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Speaker 2: christ Church. All these reports there was a gorilla with

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Speaker 2: an infection that died, a giraffe or the dislocated next

783
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Speaker 2: of horrible reports. Well, now they have the results of

784
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Speaker 2: the investigations into Orana Wildlife Park and they're not making

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Speaker 2: them public.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 2: We'll ask them next. It is sixteen after five news talks.

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Speaker 2: There be We're going to talk to brad Elson after

789
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Speaker 2: sex about the change to the government's bottom line that

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Speaker 2: we've looked at today and whether that's the right and

791
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Speaker 2: just thing to do or not. The review into Orana

792
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Speaker 2: Wildlife Park and christ Church has come out today and

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Speaker 2: the zoo is having to make a couple of changes.

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Speaker 2: It was commissioned after a string of complaints you remember

795
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Speaker 2: this former staff had regarding animal death and animal welfare.

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Speaker 2: The report doesn't raise any immediate concerns over the animals,

797
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Speaker 2: but the zoo has been told to strengthen its processes

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Speaker 2: and not to take on any new animals for at

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Speaker 2: least the next six months. Professor Ken Huey as co

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Speaker 2: chair of the or on a Wildlife Trust board, and

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Speaker 2: he's with me this evening, good evening, good evening. Why

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Speaker 2: don't you release the full reports here?

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Speaker 16: So we've released the recommendations, the full set of recommendations

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Speaker 16: in the animal welfare and asset management space. We haven't

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Speaker 16: in terms of the culture space because all of the

806
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Speaker 16: analysis was undertaken after a full set of interviews and

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Speaker 16: surveys with all of our staff, and we had guaranteed

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Speaker 16: them anonymity, and that's really important for us. However, we're

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Speaker 16: really clear on what we have to do in the

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Speaker 16: culture space, and now we're also clear in the other spaces.

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Speaker 2: What happened with the deaths, the gorilla infection, what happened

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Speaker 2: with that.

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Speaker 16: So in terms of all of those animals, we've had

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Speaker 16: a report from and that report shows there is nothing

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Speaker 16: that the park could have done to prevent those deaths. Naturally,

816
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Speaker 16: animals do die, and in terms of some of those animals,

817
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Speaker 16: or at least one of them, the disease that it

818
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Speaker 16: contracted was so rare it had never been before reported.

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Speaker 2: So these sort of.

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Speaker 16: Things do happen to animals. We do have veterinary services

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Speaker 16: on tap and we're seeking to strengthen those services going forward.

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Speaker 2: And the giraffa disticated its neck.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: So accidents also happen the irrespective of the best laid

825
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Speaker 16: plans of mice and men, and where there is a

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Speaker 16: need for corrective actions and those actions are taken. But

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Speaker 16: again that was no fault of our own.

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Speaker 6: Incidents like this do a care And what about.

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Speaker 2: The otter that was trapped in the pul suction pipe?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so again, accidents happen.

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Speaker 16: What we have done is we've learned from all of

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Speaker 16: these incidents and so of others, and we've put in

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Speaker 16: place corrective actions. So the otter is a really good example.

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Speaker 16: We've put in place of structure and that structure hopefully

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Speaker 16: will prevent a similar incident from occurring. Fair Enough, you

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Speaker 16: can never guarantee absolute certainty.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would expect that. But one of

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Speaker 2: the issues the staff had is that you were covering

839
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Speaker 2: these up. How long between deaths and public being informed

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Speaker 2: about what really happened.

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Speaker 16: Okay, so we inform our MPI anytime there is an incident.

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Speaker 16: We do that on a regular basis, much more often

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Speaker 16: than annually, so the Ministry for Primary Industries is well

844
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Speaker 16: aware of this. We inform the public as necessary. So

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Speaker 16: just recently we fully informed the public around six deaths

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Speaker 16: of animals that had occurred at the park. They were

847
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Speaker 16: all deaths that were natural, so we're being really transparent

848
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Speaker 16: about this Australia. So they occurred over a ten year period,

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Speaker 16: not over a one year period.

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Speaker 2: Right, But how long between when the deaths occurred and

851
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Speaker 2: when you actually told the public that.

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Speaker 16: Well, it depends on what the deaths are. We're not

853
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Speaker 16: going to tell the public, for example, the death of

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Speaker 16: every single We've got over a thousand animals at the park,

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Speaker 16: so naturally substantial number do die each year, so we're

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Speaker 16: not going to tell the public about every single death.

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Speaker 16: What we will do, though, is tell the public when

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Speaker 16: there is a significant death, and we do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you think some of your staff will perhaps

860
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Speaker 2: being a bit sensitive, No, I don't.

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Speaker 16: I'm really empathetic with the staff in this case. I

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Speaker 16: love these animals, i love nature conservation, and I'm really

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Speaker 16: concerned when an animal dies if there is a preventative

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Speaker 16: action that we could have taken. So it's really important

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Speaker 16: to have staff, and we do have them that are

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Speaker 16: absolutely committed to the park. Every single staff member is.

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Speaker 16: So if they've got concerns, naturally we want those concerns raised.

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Speaker 16: What we really want to do as we move into

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Speaker 16: our future focus is set in place systems that the

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Speaker 16: staff are really confident in, that they trust that they

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Speaker 16: can upwardly report those and they know they're going to

872
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Speaker 16: see appropriate action.

873
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave it. There are no more animals

874
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Speaker 2: at least for the next six months anyway, for or

875
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Speaker 2: on a wildlife park. That's Professor Ken Huey, or on

876
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: a Wildlife Trust board coach here with me. It has

877
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: just gone twenty one minutes after five Bridge Rich. Now

878
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Speaker 2: you want to know about well, two quick things. One

879
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: thing first, Ikea has opened a store in New Zealand,

880
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: and I went, wow, that's you know, because there's headlines

881
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,320
Speaker 2: in the Herald. There's my producer Laura saying, you know,

882
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: my goodness, as you hear about Ikea, do you know

883
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: what's happened? Ikea has opened a warehouse with nothing in

884
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: it until next May, and people have lost their minds.

885
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: So just don't worry about that reading that story. Nothing's happened,

886
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: but people do get very excited about Ikea because they've

887
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: got cool products. Also, bad day at the office for

888
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: this CNN reporter. So she actually quote from the CNN reporter,

889
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: this was after the fall of the SAD regime over

890
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: in Syria. She told some and never do this, people

891
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: told a media outlet. This was area highlight for me

892
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: when she did this interview with a guy who she

893
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: was taking out of a prison, and she presented him

894
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: to the public as a victim. Right, had been tortured,

895
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: had been stuck in this thing for days. Anyway, she

896
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: holds him his arms, she escorts him out into the daylight.

897
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful moment. Have a listened.

898
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: The light.

899
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 15: Oh God, there is light there.

900
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: Ste peace again and again now bad news. According to

901
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: local media, he was actually one of a Sad's henchmen.

902
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Speaker 2: He was one of the torturers at at the prison,

903
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Speaker 2: one of the worst of the worst. They still investigating

904
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: to confirm his ID. But boy, that's a bad look,

905
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: isn't it. Twenty three after five.

906
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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

907
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home, it's Ryan Bridge on

908
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: Heather Duper see Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's

909
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Speaker 1: Get Connected and News Talk.

910
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: Z twenty five. After five News Talks ZID, someone says,

911
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I have to tell my dad about this.

912
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: I've just been retelling the story of the CNN reporter

913
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Speaker 2: who was helping to rescue what she thought was a

914
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Speaker 2: survivor from one of Asad's Basharlissard's prisons in Syria. Actually

915
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Speaker 2: it turns out he might have been one of the

916
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Speaker 2: worst of the worst henchmen of Basharlistad and one of

917
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Speaker 2: the main tortures there. Oh my goodness, is this texture.

918
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Speaker 2: I have to tell my dad about this, he said

919
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: as we were watching the tally. I bet you that

920
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Speaker 2: guy that they've just found is actually someone involved. I

921
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: did think he came across a bit odd when he

922
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Speaker 2: was found and didn't look like he'd been starving for days.

923
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Speaker 2: I thought the same thing when you look at it

924
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Speaker 2: and you're like, have you really been struggling under a

925
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Speaker 2: pile of bricks and the rubble? Erica Stanford is on

926
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Speaker 2: the show after the News at five point thirty, why

927
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Speaker 2: the government's going to make some changes to their credit

928
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Speaker 2: employers scheme. Do you know what's interesting We've been talking

929
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: today about economic growth and next year is not looking

930
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: that great. Year after that looking okay, year after that

931
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: looking okay again. But one of the big problems we

932
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Speaker 2: have is productivity. And one of the things that the

933
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Speaker 2: reports tell us is you've got to look at your labor,

934
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 2: your incoming migration, and about eighty percent of our migrant

935
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Speaker 2: labor that's been coming in over the past couple of years,

936
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Speaker 2: eighty percent is low and medium skilled workers. That's not

937
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Speaker 2: good for productivity. And the change that the government's announced today,

938
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Speaker 2: alongside the books that they've opened, might actually make that worse.

939
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Speaker 2: So we'll talk to Erica Stamford about that after the

940
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Speaker 2: News at five point thirty the plus, we've got our

941
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Speaker 2: huddle this afternoon, Morris Williamson Andclared The law and whether

942
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: you're feeling sorry for Prince Andrew this Christmas. We've been

943
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: having a bit of debate about this today because he

944
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: does a lot of things wrong. Let's face at Prince Andrew.

945
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Speaker 2: Do we feel sorry from this Christmas or not? That story?

946
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 2: After six news talks, I've.

947
00:48:50,560 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: Been Lion Bridge cutting through the noise to get the facts.

948
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on either duper see Alan drive with

949
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: one New Zealand. Let's get connected and you talk as

950
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: Z B. James.

951
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 2: Good evening, It is great to have your company twenty

952
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: five minutes away from six on News Talk ZB. After six,

953
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to Alan McDonald from the Employers'

954
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: Manufacturers Association. One and a half percent increased to the

955
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: minimum wage today. What a business is going to make

956
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: and do with that? We'll ask him. Hi, Ryan, we're dreaming.

957
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 2: This is on the back of the government's books today,

958
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: a text from Angus. We're dreaming. If we think we

959
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 2: will return to surplus without significant structural reforms superannuation. Don't

960
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: say the S word, Angus. Superannuation is number one for reform.

961
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: Time to get real and cut our cloth accordingly. That'll

962
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: get people going. I'm sure. And by the way, any

963
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: change to super annuation. And I'm just looking at our

964
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: guests and the huddle her are sitting in front of me.

965
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Speaker 2: Clear to Laura and Morris Williamson will come to them shortly,

966
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: but they're both shaking when when Angus mentioned superannuation. But

967
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: any change to superannuation wouldn't happen for ages, right, if

968
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: you're about to get superannuation, No, one is going to

969
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: pull the rug out from underneath you, so you can relax.

970
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 2: Clear and Morris, all right, take a breath. Twenty four away.

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Speaker 6: From Sex Ryan Bridge, the.

972
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Speaker 2: Government's making changes to the Accredited Employer Visa to make

973
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: it easier for businesses to hire migrants. From March, the

974
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Speaker 2: minimum experience requirement and the median wage threshold of thirty

975
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Speaker 2: one dollars an hour for skilled migrants will be gone.

976
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Speaker 2: The labor market test will also be simplified significantly. Immigration

977
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Speaker 2: Minister Erica Stamford is with me tonight, minister, good evening,

978
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: good evening. How are you very well? Thank you, Nice

979
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: to have you on the program. Is this just going

980
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: to be a race to the bottom? Then you can

981
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: do you know, more more workers coming in, skilled workers

982
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: coming in and just pay them whatever you want.

983
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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 21: And the reason I'm saying no is earlier in the

985
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Speaker 21: year we put some things in place to make sure

986
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Speaker 21: that we're altering the skills MAX to more highly skilled

987
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 21: migrants and fewer lower skilled migrants. And the way that

988
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 21: we did that was we said, look, you need to

989
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 21: come in with a certain number of years experience we

990
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 21: said three years, and you need to speak English, which

991
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 21: is actually a good proxy for skill, and so any

992
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 21: migrants that are coming in are going to have to

993
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 21: have We've been talking to the few different sectors and

994
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 21: fed farmers in particular, who have said, actually two years

995
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 21: skill is a much better workable solution for them, and

996
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 21: we've listened to the sector and so it actually that

997
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 21: makes good sense, and so we've made a few tweaks,

998
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 21: but essentially we are still making sure that New Zealanders

999
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 21: are being put forward first for those entry level jobs

1000
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 21: because we know we've got a number of young people

1001
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 21: coming out of school who need access into the labor market,

1002
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Speaker 21: and so those jobs will be available first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: Four keywis what do you expect that they will be paid?

1004
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 2: If the median threshold of thirty one dollars is too high,

1005
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: what do you expect that these people with two years

1006
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Speaker 2: of experienced minimum and English will be paid?

1007
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 21: Well, they'll be paid at a rate that is commensurate

1008
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 21: with their skills and experience, which is what you do

1009
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 21: with every key we worker in this country. The problem

1010
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 21: we've had ryan over the last few years under the

1011
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 21: previous government, as you've been bringing in low skilled workers

1012
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 21: to fill low skilled roles and having to pay them

1013
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 21: the median wage, which is paying them more than the

1014
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Speaker 21: key we standing next to them, and it's caused huge

1015
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 21: problems for employers, you know, who've got their key workers

1016
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 21: sitting there doing the same job for and being paid

1017
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 21: at a lower amount. And so it's really skewed the market.

1018
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 21: So there will be you know, when we're bringing people,

1019
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 21: and of course immigration officers on the front line will

1020
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 21: be looking at what is the you know, the market

1021
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 21: rate for someone and knowing that you know, a migrant

1022
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Speaker 21: is coming in with two years experience, they would question

1023
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 21: any employer bringing someone in on the minimum wage. That

1024
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,280
Speaker 21: would raise a red red flag for an immigration officer

1025
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 21: on the ground.

1026
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: Are you worried this will mean businesses choose to hire

1027
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: migrants over New Zealanders when they might have gone with

1028
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 2: the kiwis in the first place.

1029
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 21: No, I don't think so, because it is still more

1030
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 21: expensive and more cumbersome to bring a migrant into the country.

1031
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 21: You know, you have to be accredited, you have to

1032
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 21: get a job check, then you've got to go through

1033
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 21: the visa process and that takes time. Employers, you know,

1034
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 21: if and you will have to hire someone who's got

1035
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 21: a minimum level of skills and experience, where if you

1036
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 21: wanted to hire a ke keiwi, it's much quicker, much simpler,

1037
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Speaker 21: and much more.

1038
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: Cost Why were we doing it in the first place?

1039
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean they must be better workers than us. Then,

1040
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: oh you'll have to ask that.

1041
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 21: You know, the previous government why they had those settings

1042
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 21: in place. But this is going to make this is

1043
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 21: going to mean a lot business.

1044
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Tho, If you're an

1045
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: employer and you have to pay the migrant more than

1046
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: you do the kiwi, why would you bother getting the migrants?

1047
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 21: Because you have to remember when after after COVID, we

1048
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 21: had a huge labor market shortage because everybody left to

1049
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 21: New Zealand and people were desperate, and it didn't They

1050
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 21: just got people in warm bodies. That's what they've said

1051
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 21: to me. We've got bought warm bodies in and we

1052
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 21: had to pay them the median wage even for doing

1053
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 21: completely unskilled jobs because there was just a massive need

1054
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 21: for it. And it's massively skewed the market.

1055
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 2: All right, Hey minister, how does it feel everyone saying

1056
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: you're the best Minister of the year and all that

1057
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

1058
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 21: Ah, I don't like I don't pay attention to that.

1059
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 21: It's a team effort and you know, as you know,

1060
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 21: I couldn't do my job without the support of our

1061
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 21: incredible Prime minister.

1062
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 2: Ah, there we go, very humble, very humbley what a politician,

1063
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: Eric and Master said to you again. Eric is Stanford

1064
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: Immigration Minister and number one in many's books.

1065
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: It's ten to six the huddle with New Zealand's Tutherby's

1066
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: International Realty, local and global exposure like no other.

1067
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Speaker 2: A journalist clear Dolores with us this evening. Good evening

1068
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 2: to you, Good evening, right and Marris Williams and Aukland

1069
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: councilor good evening, former minister, Good evening, Good to have

1070
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: you both here. The government books opening today. Look, Nicola

1071
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: Willis's is basically keeping on with the speed and not

1072
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 2: making huge cuts. She's got n eye to the election obviously,

1073
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: Morris doesn't. She can't cut too hard.

1074
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Speaker 22: Yeah, I disagree. I think you have to take quite

1075
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 22: severe medicine to try and fix the patient here. I

1076
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 22: was part of the incoming National government nineteen ninety where

1077
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 22: we did the mother of all budgets with Ruth. It

1078
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 22: was pretty tough stuff. We were hated by people we

1079
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 22: were told you'll never see the light of day again.

1080
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 22: And as a government, and within two and a half

1081
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 22: years of that budget, the economy had recovered so well,

1082
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 22: things were going so right. We actually got re elected,

1083
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 22: only just, but we got re elected. I think if

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Speaker 22: you just do the modest stuff that's been done right now,

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Speaker 22: the pain.

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00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: Prolongs, it, prolongs it for some time. Do you think

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00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 2: that this will clear silence that you know, the people

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00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: who want the super scions to need in hospital and

1089
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: the bigger fairies and everything. Do you think this is

1090
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: going to be enough to silence those critics?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 20: I think we have such a polarized population now. There

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00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 20: are people who just want to carry on as we

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 20: have and will not accept that actually that isn't an option.

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00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 20: And then there are those like Morris who would go

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 20: for deeper and deeper cuts. And I guess I am

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00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 20: predictably because I'm a centrist somewhere in the middle, because

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00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 20: I think what the government is at the moment flailing

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00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,959
Speaker 20: about with is showing where it's leading and giving people

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Speaker 20: any sort of optimism for the future. Business confidence is

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 20: really low, and if you ask people you know about

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00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 20: their intentions to the future even really sort of some

1103
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 20: smaller successful businesses, they're not banking on being around next year.

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00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: So it's come back. I mean, business sentiment has come

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00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: back somewhat, but it's not you know, through the roof.

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Speaker 22: But Ryan, if you take a country that was a

1107
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 22: way bigger basket case than us by a million miles, Argentina,

1108
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 22: their new president's got them and said this stops now.

1109
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: But you can't compare. I saw Houghton's column on this,

1110
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 2: and you can't.

1111
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 20: They're not apples and apples, and in living memory they

1112
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 20: have been right. They've been right to the bottom in

1113
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 20: living memory for many of them. And I think you

1114
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 20: know that we are sort of different countries. They've been

1115
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,479
Speaker 20: through dictatorships, for example, and we have not been.

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 2: There two hundred percent.

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00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 22: But you could learn something from what they're doing. I mean,

1118
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 22: he's gone and he's told every minister.

1119
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 22: If any minister in his cabinet ever goes out and

1121
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 22: tells people that service is free, they'll be sacked. They've

1122
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 22: got to go out and say the taxpayer is funding

1123
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 22: that service for you.

1124
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Speaker 2: Guys. We'll be back in just a second. Our huddle

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Speaker 2: for tonight cleared the law and Marris Williamson. Seventeen away

1126
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Speaker 2: from six News Talks, here'd be the huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, elevate the marketing of

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Speaker 1: your home.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen away from six News Talks, Here be clear to

1130
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Speaker 2: the lawd journalist and Marris Williams and Aukland councilor former

1131
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: minister with us. Good evening back, well, welcome back to

1132
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Speaker 2: both of you. Let's go to Wellington. So yesterday the

1133
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: Government says comes out and bangs it's big stack and says,

1134
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Speaker 2: don't do anything that's you know, don't mark around, don't

1135
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: waste your time, get back to the basics and do

1136
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Speaker 2: things properly. And today Wellington City Council comes out and

1137
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: says we're going to make this submission on the Government's

1138
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: Treaty Principles Bill. Clear. Do you think that's a good

1139
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 2: use of time.

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 20: I think it's a waste of time and money. The

1142
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 20: bill is not going to progress any further, and it

1143
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 20: doesn't mean there isn't going to be some sort of

1144
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 20: a gender and you know sort of platform that's built

1145
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 20: up on the back of it. However, I think for

1146
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 20: the council to do that. Wellington Council seems to be

1147
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 20: belligerently intent on a confrontation with the government, and you know,

1148
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 20: are they begging for a commissioner to be put in

1149
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 20: at some stage? It's still looking pretty rough there. I

1150
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 20: think they've got, you know, a chance to show that

1151
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 20: they're really serious about Wellington. They've got buildings sitting there, rotting,

1152
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 20: waiting for things to happen. There's still water popping up

1153
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 20: out of the foot paths occasionally get on with the

1154
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 20: basic jobs. I really think it is wasteful and.

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00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: I've got I saw what she saw today. They had

1156
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: Sam Neil jumping and saying they should keep that city

1157
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: to see bridge. Did you see that? Morris?

1158
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 22: I mean, can I talk about Auckland Council because we

1159
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 22: did something worse than that vapor that came to us

1160
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 22: as counselors was that we make a submission on the

1161
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 22: Treaty Principal's Bill, which I was quite flummixed by what

1162
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 22: the hell are we doing that? Why aren't we fixing

1163
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 22: roads and foot paths and so on? But at least

1164
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 22: it was neutral and then the Chairman put to us

1165
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 22: finally an amended paper on the day that we oppose

1166
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 22: not just put a submission, but we oppose the Treaty

1167
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 22: Principal's Bill, and several of us fought against it but lost.

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 22: And so now oorkand Council have got staff working away

1169
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 22: developing up a submission on a post that's going nowhere correct,

1170
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 22: And what's that got to do with us any rate?

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00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Our role?

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00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 22: And I love the way the governments come up with

1173
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 22: getting your role and function sorted. You're actually there to

1174
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 22: do a whole range of things, water and wastewater and

1175
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 22: foot paths and parks and so on.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 20: They're too hard, They're just too hard. So this is

1178
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 20: sort of like an easy, an easy swipe.

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00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: Plus I have a theory that there's a whole bunch

1180
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: of people who sort of wish they were running the world.

1181
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 2: They wish they were working at the United Nations, sided

1182
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: in some Security Council meeting, but actually the just running

1183
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: the white and matar board. You know, it's like, get

1184
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: over yourselves. You don't need to have an opinion on everything.

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Speaker 22: And we've had several people try to move emotions about Gaza.

1186
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 22: Now Gaza's ghastly and awful and sol on it's got

1187
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 22: nothing to do with Auckland council.

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: Go and fix a pipe for goodness, that's correct. Hey,

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Speaker 2: lots to talk about. We've just heard from Erica Stanford

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01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: on migrants. But I want to get to s PQR.

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01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 2: For those who aren't familiar. It's a bit of an institution,

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: would you say, in Auckland, a restaurant. And they've announced

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Speaker 2: the new name for s PQR, which is an iconic name,

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 2: and you know, I certainly learned about it once I

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01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: moved here. The new name is Jacuzzi.

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Speaker 20: Clear well, first of all, big ups to these young

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01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 20: women who are restarting. There was never my cup of

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Speaker 20: tea actually, but.

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Speaker 13: There you go.

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Speaker 20: But I think Jacuzzi it's got a kind of a

1201
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 20: wisty vibe about it, don't you think?

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01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 6: You know?

1203
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 20: It could have been from you know, from some soap

1204
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 20: opera set in the.

1205
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 22: Okay, Chris question, what did s peak? And it's Roman

1206
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 22: and I it was on their sign on their banners.

1207
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 22: What does it actually stand for?

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01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 2: Have no idea?

1209
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 22: You know, yes, it's to do with the triumphant of

1210
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 22: the nation in Latin.

1211
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: But Jacuzzi sounds like somewhere you go to get a rash.

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 20: You know, well that may be, don't I think we honestly, seriously,

1213
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 20: apart from the dread I think it's a pretty dreadful name.

1214
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 20: I do wish them well, but it's a brave move.

1215
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 20: You've got to say, God on you for having a

1216
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 20: go because this climate is not good for them. But

1217
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 20: you know, the names and a little bit of a

1218
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 20: hard cell. But if it works, let's go support it.

1219
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: And actually there's a number now. I think that's the

1220
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: third bar I've read about in the last month that

1221
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: is opening in central Auckland, which is a wonderful thing

1222
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: to hear about because I mean you look at Wellington

1223
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: and even in Auckland there are places where bars are

1224
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: still closing.

1225
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 22: Mars I speak, I had such a name. I've been

1226
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 22: there several times and that's such a shock me wonderful

1227
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 22: and I just don't were they not allowed to carry

1228
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 22: on using that name?

1229
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 6: Well?

1230
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, good question. Actually I'm not sure whether you think if.

1231
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 20: You're starting a fresh are starting a fresh I reckon?

1232
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 22: Well, yeah, I reckon what lots of people take over

1233
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 22: restaurants and keep your name when they moved to new ownership.

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 20: Well, Morris, when you and I are in the business.

1235
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: Let's show them.

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01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 22: Will you go to Jacuzzi not after the idea about

1237
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 22: catching a rash? No, that's here, the hell of me.

1238
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: If I haven't done any brand damage. Clear, thank you

1239
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: very well.

1240
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 20: They say it's going to be immersive, it's going to

1241
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 20: have it, So I'm wondering is there going to be

1242
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 20: like a little pool there?

1243
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: Who knows? All right? Clear, thank you very much for

1244
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: coming and lovely to meet you. Clear to the Lord

1245
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 2: journalist and Morris Williamson Auckland counselor. It is nine minutes

1246
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: away from six. Sorry, yes, nine minutes away from six

1247
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: news talks.

1248
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 6: It be.

1249
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1250
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: battleground states? The latest on the US election. It's Heather

1251
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: Duplicy allan drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

1252
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 6: Use talks, b.

1253
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: Use talks B seven A sorry, six away from six now.

1254
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: Just an update on the situation of Vanawachi. They had

1255
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: a set point three magnitude earthquake there today there was

1256
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: a tsunami warning that has been lifted, so I needed

1257
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 2: to worry. However, we've got in contact with Ministry of

1258
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: Foreign Fairs and Trade, in fact confirming to us that

1259
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: the building of the New Zealand High Commission in Port

1260
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: Vila has sustained significant damage. We saw on social media

1261
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 2: a video earlier that showed huge cracks up the side

1262
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 2: of the building. There were broken windows, potentially a pancaked

1263
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: bottom floor as well. Mfat says it's still in the

1264
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: process of checking that it's staff there are safe, so

1265
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: fingers crossed everybody has been accounted for. Vanuatu media are

1266
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: reporting that one person has been confirmed dead sadly, with

1267
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 2: at least three people seriously injured across Port Vila. Lots

1268
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: of your texts coming in. We just spoke to Erica Stanford,

1269
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 2: immigration Minister. They're changing the rules around migrants who were

1270
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 2: coming here and the amount you have to pay them

1271
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: and the skill level that they need, basically lowering the

1272
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: bar a bit. This is an interesting one from one

1273
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: of our listeners. Just heard your interview with Erica Stanford.

1274
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 2: You question why an employer would want to employ migrants

1275
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 2: and pay them more as opposed to a Kiwi. The

1276
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: answer is they turn up to work every day. I'm

1277
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: a manager of a factory employing nearly one hundred staff.

1278
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: We can't find staff with good attendance performance. Most KIWI

1279
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 2: staff always have reasons why they can't do more than

1280
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: about fifteen days before they feel the need to take

1281
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 2: sick leave, unpaid leave, or mental health days. It's just

1282
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 2: gone five to six. I guess it answers your question,

1283
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: doesn't it?

1284
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: Ray and Bridge?

1285
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 2: Right before we get to the news at the top

1286
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: of the owl, I wanted to draw your attention to

1287
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew. So do you feel sorry for Prince Andrew

1288
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 2: this Christmas? He's going to be spending it alone. We'll

1289
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: not quite alone, He'll be spending it with Fergi, just

1290
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 2: him and Fergie up on the couch wherever they're living now.

1291
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 2: Actually he's had to be moved, isn't he, So I

1292
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: don't know where they're living. Probably, Look they're not on

1293
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 2: the street, okay, but they are going to be just

1294
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: those two because their daughters are going to be with

1295
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 2: the in laws. So it's just them this Christmas. And

1296
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: the reason that they're not being invited to the big,

1297
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: the big, you know, Buckingham Palace to is because Prince

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Speaker 2: Andrew has been hobnobbing with a spy, a Chinese spy

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Speaker 2: and Laura and I Laura, who's the executive producer here

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Speaker 2: were debating this earlier, and she was saying, I feel

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Speaker 2: a bit sorry for Prince Andrew, and I said, I

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Speaker 2: just hang on enough. Don't ever repeat that, you know,

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Speaker 2: don't ever say that out loud. But but Laura has

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Speaker 2: a point. He's a spy and we've all just found

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Speaker 2: out that his name is Yang Tingbo from China. But

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Speaker 2: if no one else knew he was a spy, how

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Speaker 2: was Prince Andrew supposed to know he was a spy?

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Speaker 2: So how can we blame him for being friends with

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Speaker 2: the spy? The logic follows the only thing we don't know,

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Speaker 2: and given his track record, I wouldn't be surprised. The

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Speaker 2: only thing we don't know is is did he actually

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Speaker 2: know that he was a spy and he was feeding

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Speaker 2: him secrets? You know, because that's let's let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: that's something that old Randy Andy would probably be up to.

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Speaker 2: Remember when Fugie was selling information to News of the

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Speaker 2: World over a glass of wine at that hotel room

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Speaker 2: with a suitcase full of cash. Remember that it could

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Speaker 2: be another one of those situations. Wild Speculation three Away

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Speaker 2: from Sex News two three.

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Speaker 1: We're Business Insight The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and

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Speaker 1: my Hr on News Talks, Good.

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Speaker 2: Evening seven after Sex News talksb after the earthquake in Vanuatu.

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Speaker 2: Today we're getting reports of a five point one in

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Speaker 2: Wellington and Paul Lane, who is in Stead and just

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Speaker 2: said that there was a four point nine in christ Church,

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Speaker 2: will keep you up to date with that. Plus Brad

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Speaker 2: Olsen on the books. Next, the minimum wage will increase

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Speaker 2: spy one and a half percent or thirty five cents

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Speaker 2: to twenty three dollars fifteen hour from April. Training wages

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Speaker 2: and starting wages will increase to eighteen eighty, remaining at

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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the minimum wage, as they always do.

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Speaker 2: The worker unions have criticized the move. They say it's

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Speaker 2: effectively a pay cup for low paid workers. Alan McDonald

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Speaker 2: is the Employees and Manufacturers Association head of Advocacy, finance

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Speaker 2: and strategy. Alan, Good evening, Good here, Good to have

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Speaker 2: you on the show. Do you think this is a

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Speaker 2: fear increase.

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Speaker 5: Well, just look at the announcement earlier today and look

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Speaker 5: at the economic conditions. You know, there's no money in

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Speaker 5: the tin, so a moderate increase after several years of

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Speaker 5: quite large ones is probably the right balance.

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Speaker 2: Is this still high enough that businesses might look at

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Speaker 2: either laying staff off or reducing hours.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's there. It's just every cost at

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Speaker 5: the moment is something that business is taking into account.

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Speaker 5: And not sure it will cause them to lay off people,

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Speaker 5: but what it will do, I think make them think

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Speaker 5: about who the people are that they're going to take on.

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Speaker 5: Because if you're thinking about hiring people, and people are

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Speaker 5: still hiring people, if you can get someone for like

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Speaker 5: twenty five bucks an hour something like that, twenty six

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Speaker 5: who's done a couple of years in the workforce with

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Speaker 5: a proven track record, are you going on somebody at

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Speaker 5: twenty three and it doesn't have that kind of track record?

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Speaker 5: And sometimes you know, that decision comes down to all

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Speaker 5: how much time and work and effort training do I

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Speaker 5: have put into that new person as opposed to someone

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Speaker 5: with a track record. So it may affect who they

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Speaker 5: hire rather than they're hiring intentions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, true, there'll be minimum wage workers listening to this

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Speaker 2: will go well. Actually, inflations up, you know, two point

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Speaker 2: two percent to the September quarter. This is less than inflation.

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Speaker 2: I've got rent to pay. Rents are up four point

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Speaker 2: four percent. A four point one percent, I should say,

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Speaker 2: from November in November this year. You know, surely you

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Speaker 2: can find it in yourselves.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, the minimum wage ring up forty five

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Speaker 5: percent and five years, which was well of heading inflation.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think anyone in the workforce is getting

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Speaker 5: or won't They haven't for the last couple of years anyway,

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Speaker 5: got anything that even looked close to matching inflation. So

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Speaker 5: you know, we are all doing it a bit tough

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Speaker 5: at the moment. And thirteen and a half billion short

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Speaker 5: on revenue.

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Speaker 6: Said that this morning, that.

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Speaker 2: Books that you mentioned earlier, I personally quite sad and

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Speaker 2: like almost upset looking at the government's books today, especially

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Speaker 2: when you look ahead. Everyone's saying survive to twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: and then you look at growth of twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: and it's a kneemic to the point where on a

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Speaker 2: per capita basis, we're still going backwards in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: How do businesses feel about those books.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they've taken note of that and just gone, well,

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Speaker 5: we could have told you that was going to be

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Speaker 5: the case, because business is are still doing it very hard.

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Speaker 5: And while the Finance Minister is quite right. Some of

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Speaker 5: the indicators are turning, it's still probably at least six

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Speaker 5: and more likely twelve months before that kind of turn

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Speaker 5: is going to happen. And even then, as you said,

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Speaker 5: it looks pretty anemic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Allen, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 2: Alan McDonald Employer's Manufacturers Association with US talking about the

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Speaker 2: increase to the minimum wage one and a half percent.

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Speaker 2: Brad Olsen on the books coming up next, including the

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Speaker 2: change to the way that the government calculates its surplus,

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Speaker 2: which means, I mean we technically, if we look at

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Speaker 2: the traditional way of calculating a surplus, then you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be in surplus until actually we're not even sure because

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Speaker 2: these results are announced today don't even cover the period,

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Speaker 2: but it would be in the twenty thirties. However, they've

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Speaker 2: changed the rules and now suddenly we will hopefully be

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Speaker 2: in surplus by twenty twenty nine. Is that fair? And

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Speaker 2: is that right? Brad Olsen?

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Speaker 1: Next analysis from the experts, bringing you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know on the US. It's The Business Hour with

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Allen and myhrhr solution for busy SMEs News

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Speaker 1: talks 'b.

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Speaker 2: News Talk zb fourteen after six on ron Bridge. Great

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Speaker 2: to have your company tonight. The Finance Minister, Nicola Willis

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Speaker 2: certainly isn't sugar coating our financial situation. She says, it

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Speaker 2: is dire. Debt is up, the tax takers down. Brad

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Speaker 2: Olsen is the infametric's principal economies with us tonight, Brad,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Good evening. Let's start with the A couple

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Speaker 2: of numbers jump out at me. Firstly, forty seven percent

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Speaker 2: of GDP. That's that's government debt to GDP forty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: It will peak at Is that have we been? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we have been higher, but certainly not in

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Speaker 2: the last week, while before COVID we were at about twenty.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Look, I mean that debt figure is ugly, and I

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Speaker 19: think it highlights that over time we've built up that

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Speaker 19: level of debt time and time again to get through

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Speaker 19: some pretty challenging economic times. Recently, of course, the pandemic

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Speaker 19: was still a pretty big hit and the government did

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Speaker 19: need to respond to it.

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Speaker 2: The challenge, of.

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Speaker 19: Course, is that having racked up so much debt to

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Speaker 19: do that, at some point the bill comes for repayment

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Speaker 19: and we're still continuing to see the government spend more

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Speaker 19: than it's earning for the next couple of years, which

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Speaker 19: means that we're not actually even starting to pay it down.

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Speaker 19: We're just sort of adding more and more on. So

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Speaker 19: the fiscals have gotten a bit out of kilter given

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Speaker 19: the fact that that debt's higher. But that's also coming

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Speaker 19: about because government revenue is expected to be thirteen billion

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Speaker 19: dollars less over the four cast period than expected at budget,

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Speaker 19: but the government will be spending nearly six billion dollars

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Speaker 19: more than they thought at budget time. That wider gap

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Speaker 19: with more spending less money coming in, that's a very

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Speaker 19: difficult place to get yourself.

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Speaker 2: Out of, and that's why we're going to borrow Barbie.

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Speaker 2: Is there a number where because we're a small trading nation,

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Speaker 2: I know there are lots of countries around the world

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Speaker 2: with far worse ratios than that, But is there a

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Speaker 2: number at which you start to go alarm bells ring?

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Speaker 19: I mean, certainly Treasury has highlighted before that somewhere between.

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Speaker 19: Once you get up to it sort of over fifty,

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Speaker 19: you really start to get quite worried, just because if

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Speaker 19: there is another shock of any sort, you know, be

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Speaker 19: it a something that hits our primary and export markets.

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Speaker 19: If you have another natural disaster and other pandemic, New

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Speaker 19: Zealand needs the ability to respond and we know that

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Speaker 19: in those tough times we often can't rely on our

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Speaker 19: own self sufficiency quite as much. Now you look at

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Speaker 19: other bigger economies, they just have a little bit more

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Speaker 19: sort of natural heft. They can trade amongst themselves locally

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Speaker 19: a lot more. We can't quite as much in New Zealand.

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Speaker 19: We're a lot more dictated by how global economic growth

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Speaker 19: goes and how our exports and production go. So if

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Speaker 19: those get hit, we do need a little bit more

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Speaker 19: buffer room to get ourselves out of the pickle that

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Speaker 19: we might find ourselves in. That's where that deck capacity

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Speaker 19: becomes so important. And again we know that we've got

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Speaker 19: a lot of infrastructure we need to invest in and

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Speaker 19: that's important. But with the fact that government is still

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Speaker 19: going to be spending more than it's earning over quite

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Speaker 19: a long period of time, we're still borrowing for just

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Speaker 19: the day to day costs and that is quite challenging

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Speaker 19: and it means we're still half a decade away from

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Speaker 19: seeing the books back in surplus. That's a long time

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Speaker 19: to wait.

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. Tell me what is you all read

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Speaker 2: on the OBI gal X. Is it justified that we

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Speaker 2: are taking the acc deficit basically off the books?

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Speaker 19: I mean, I think it's very convenient timing, of course,

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Speaker 19: to come out with the change at the moment. To

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Speaker 19: be fair, even with the change, the effective surplus has

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Speaker 19: been pushed out nearly two years, so again it's sort

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Speaker 19: of quite a big shift there. Realistically, I think there

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Speaker 19: is some merit into what the government has done with

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Speaker 19: that figure, but I don't think it helps that there's

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Speaker 19: all these different numbers that we now cast about on

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Speaker 19: so may be useful, but to be fair, I think

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Speaker 19: we're all trying to get our heads around it. Having

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Speaker 19: had it dropped on us, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 19: hours ago. It still will take us some time to

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Speaker 19: read through it, but definitely a change that I think

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Speaker 19: we're all going to have to get our heads around.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised to see the Finance Minister basically stick

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Speaker 2: to her guns that the books have changed quite drastically,

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Speaker 2: deteriorated quite drastically between the budget and now her fiscal

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Speaker 2: position is basically the same.

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Speaker 19: I was a little bit surprised that the government isn't

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Speaker 19: looking to, in fact, almost go steeper and deeper when

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Speaker 19: it comes to making some pretty tough choices around spending.

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Speaker 19: The Finance Minister, of course confirmed those two point four

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Speaker 19: billion dollar operating allowances, but I think that also highlights

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Speaker 19: the current economic reality for the government, which is that

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Speaker 19: we've made such big commitments on government spending the last

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Speaker 19: couple of years.

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Speaker 2: It's very easy to do.

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Speaker 19: Those and to commit them at the time, very hard

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Speaker 19: to unwind them back. And so you know, some people

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Speaker 19: are saying, well, geez, we feel like we're in austerity politics.

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Speaker 19: I mean, really, at two point four billion each and every.

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Speaker 2: Year, we're clearly not.

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Speaker 19: But even then, even with what are some of the

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Speaker 19: smallest budget allowances in a reasonable amount of time, the

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Speaker 19: government is still going to be spending more than thirty

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Speaker 19: percent of GDP on operating expenses all the way out

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Speaker 19: to twenty twenty nine. I mean, it highlights that we're

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01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 19: not getting our sort of spending relative to income under

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 19: control particularly quickly. But I think as well, the minister's

1514
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 19: probably stuck between a bit of a rock and a

1515
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:08,559
Speaker 19: hard place here.

1516
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 13: Ryan.

1517
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 2: If you had you'd have some people.

1518
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,640
Speaker 19: If the minister cuts the allowancers say well, government's not

1519
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 19: spending enough on New Zealand, and other people probably saying

1520
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 19: the government's spending too much. I mean, you really can't

1521
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 19: win when you're the Minister of Finance.

1522
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: No, and she has an election to worry about in

1523
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and the last thing she would want

1524
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,600
Speaker 2: to do would be to look like Ruth Richardson and

1525
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 2: then you know, throw throw a one term government out

1526
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: the window. Let's look at the GDP twenty twenty five

1527
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: one point six percent, twenty twenty six three point four percent,

1528
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven two point seven percent. Now, if you

1529
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 2: look at per capita, we're actually still going backwards in

1530
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. But why is it that we go

1531
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: up and then down again, Brad In twenty twenty six

1532
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: we're at three point four and then in twenty twenty

1533
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 2: seven we go down to two point seven.

1534
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 19: I think there's sort of two elements coming through there.

1535
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 19: One is a bit of a mathematical bounce back that

1536
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 19: as those interest rates can down and you start to

1537
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 19: see the economy unlocked, there's a little bit of pent

1538
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 19: up demand that likely comes through after some weaker grows

1539
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 19: because you didn't have where you had negative levels of

1540
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 19: activity this year, you get slightly better next year, but

1541
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 19: still not amazing. Then the year after once you really

1542
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 19: sort of get the economic motor running again. Mathematically, that

1543
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 19: looks a touch faster than before. After that, though, that

1544
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 19: sort of trend slow down comes through because we just

1545
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 19: don't expect to be getting that same level of productivity

1546
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 19: coming forward. And I think that the worry as well

1547
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 19: is that when we look at the different components of

1548
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 19: the economy, the government clearly isn't going to be stimulating

1549
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 19: a huge amount of activity. We're worried about the likes

1550
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 19: of global factors, and so we're not quite so sure

1551
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,759
Speaker 19: that exports are really going to drive things into the future.

1552
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 19: We know that productivity hit means that sort of general

1553
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 19: business profitability isn't going to be amazing, and so it

1554
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 19: won't be contributing huge amounts, which sort of leads households

1555
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 19: as the main potential driver of the economy going forward.

1556
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 19: That's sort of a difficult proposition when interests are not

1557
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 19: going to drop low, they're just going to go back

1558
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 19: to sort of normal. So I think that the sort

1559
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 19: of growth center for the economy is a little bit

1560
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 19: harder to pick at the moment, and again that makes

1561
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 19: Treasury's job quite hard because there's a lot of stuff

1562
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 19: that everyone wants to spend on, but without stronger economic growth,

1563
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 19: you don't get as much tax take and you don't

1564
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 19: have the money that you want to spend.

1565
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 2: Great points, Brad brad Olsen, Info Metrics, Principal Economists, twenty

1566
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 2: one minutes after six brand. That's the question, isn't it?

1567
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: What on earth is New Zealand good at anymore? You

1568
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 2: thank God for dairy and thank god that we're seeing

1569
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: some primary industry export numbers come up, particularly dairy with

1570
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 2: numbers going over ten dollars per kilogram of milk solids.

1571
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: Thank goodness we have something like that to fall back on,

1572
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 2: although there are people in this country who would like

1573
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: to rip that out from underneath us, and so now

1574
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 2: we can't do that because of climate change. We can't

1575
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: do that because what are we going to do as

1576
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: a country. Our productivity since COVID has been going down,

1577
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 2: Our economic growth, as I said next year, down zero

1578
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: point six percent on a per capita basis, What are

1579
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: we good at? Housing? Migration? That's basically what's been propping

1580
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 2: up our economy for the last couple for the last

1581
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 2: decade at least. What are we good at New Zealand?

1582
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 2: What do we want to invest in? What is the

1583
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 2: next big thing? If we have decided some people have

1584
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: that our primary industries are going to hell in a

1585
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 2: hand basket with climate change, what are we supposed to

1586
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: do Because we can't just sit back and hope that

1587
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 2: somedays some government will come up with some hairbrain scheme

1588
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: that will get us out of this, because it ain't

1589
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 2: going to happen. We're going to have to do this

1590
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: on our own. So what's the plan? Twenty two after

1591
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 2: Sex News Talks eben.

1592
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Everything from SME's the Big Corporates, The Business Hour with

1593
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge and my HR The HR Solution for Busy

1594
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: SMEs on News TALKSBB.

1595
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes after six Look. I was after some

1596
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: serious ideas about how we get this country moving again,

1597
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 2: how we get this country productive again, And what you've

1598
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 2: given me is text Like Ryan, the plan is to

1599
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 2: employ more wonderfully skilled people in regulation and compliance. Is

1600
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: it any wonder that productivity is an ongoing decline? Ryan?

1601
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 2: So the economy is worse now than what it was

1602
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: when labor was in power, labor would have improved the economy,

1603
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 2: says this Texter, because they wouldn't have paid out tax

1604
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: cuts or made thousands of workers redundant who are now beneficiaries.

1605
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: How much does this government waste on consultants, many of

1606
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,560
Speaker 2: whom would have cost us less as public servants. The

1607
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 2: whole thing about the tax cuts, I don't get what

1608
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 2: the argument is here. If the argument, I mean the

1609
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,839
Speaker 2: money would have either been spent by labor on something

1610
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 2: that we probably wouldn't have needed, or would have just

1611
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: gone into some giant hole, which is where it seems

1612
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: a lot of what they spent went, or it's in

1613
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 2: your pocket. Where would you rather at? I know I'd

1614
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 2: rather that money went. Ryan, We are excellent at talking

1615
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: shite in New Zealand, and we do very little, and

1616
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 2: finally when we do a little, it is usually a

1617
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 2: massive cock up. Anyway, we have so much faith in

1618
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 2: our country, don't we. Coming up after the news at

1619
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: six City, we're going to talk about We're going to

1620
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: talk to our UK correspondent about Prince Andrew, but we're

1621
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 2: also going to talk drugs, and not just not illegal drugs,

1622
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: but actually prescription drugs that you get from your doctor.

1623
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Apparently it's becoming more and more of a problem in

1624
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: New Zealand. People are using them recreationally. One in four

1625
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 2: kiw is using them recreationally. So we'll ask what that's

1626
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 2: doing to our bodies. Twenty seven after six nest Talks

1627
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 2: it there.

1628
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 6: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1629
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and my HR The

1630
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: HR Solution for busy smys on News Talk ZB.

1631
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven News Talks V. I've been

1632
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: asking you this evening, what is it that New Zealand

1633
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: is good at? What do we need to do to

1634
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: get our a entergy? Basically looking at the government opening

1635
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: its books today, productivity not looking great going into the future.

1636
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people have mentioned power and energy. Ryan,

1637
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: the way to kick start in New Zealand is to

1638
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: make cheap power, more dams, more clean coal power plants,

1639
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: et cetera. All of the rich countries in the world

1640
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 2: have one thing in common, and that that is cheap power,

1641
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 2: cheap energy. That is true. Another says, what are we

1642
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: good at? Soware as a service? Three point six billion

1643
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 2: dollar annual export revenue predicted to exceed meat exports by

1644
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 2: twenty thirty, says Tim, that's an interesting one. That's stuff

1645
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: you do on apps over the internet, basically like zero,

1646
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 2: which is a huge success story for us. So yes,

1647
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: please more of that. Twenty four away from seven Bryan Bridge.

1648
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: The survey from Massi University has sparks concerns that people

1649
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: using prescription drugs are using them for recreational use. One

1650
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,879
Speaker 2: in four surveyed reported using pharmaceuticals for non medical purposes

1651
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 2: in the previous six months. But how easy is it

1652
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 2: for someone to actually become addicted to this kind of medication?

1653
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,600
Speaker 2: Chair of General Practice, New Zealand, doctor Brian Betty is

1654
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 2: with me this evening. Brian, good evening, Well, good evening, Ryan,

1655
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 2: nice to be here, great to have you. Are you

1656
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 2: worried one in four? Well, first of all, does that

1657
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: sound right to you? One in four?

1658
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 9: Oh, look, it sounds very high. I've got to say. However,

1659
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 9: we know there has been issues around about in appropriate

1660
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 9: use of medication and the potential for addiction with certain

1661
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 9: medications and the illicit use of some medications. So this

1662
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 9: has been something that's been around for a while, and

1663
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 9: I suppose it is worth highlighting that there are issues

1664
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 9: around certain medications we do prescribe.

1665
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 2: What drugs do people like?

1666
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1667
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 9: Look, good question. I suppose The ones we think of

1668
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 9: often are pain medications, things like opioids, seditives, benzodiazepines in particular,

1669
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 9: and something called gather pentons, which are a particular medication

1670
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 9: that can be used for pain or epilepsy. The other

1671
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 9: one that is around is ADHD medication, so that can

1672
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 9: be abused and that can actually be addictive. And there

1673
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 9: are instances where medications dot mesulphenidate, which is used for

1674
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 9: a DHD can be crushed and used intravenously or snorted

1675
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 9: to give a high because in high doses or very

1676
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 9: fast release can give a very high addictive property which

1677
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 9: people like. And those are the other medications where diversion

1678
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 9: as we call it can occur.

1679
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 2: How easy is it for a GP to prescribe the

1680
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: drugs that you just outlined?

1681
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 9: Look varies, So things like opioids and ADHD have to

1682
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 9: be prescribed monthly, so they are described every month, not

1683
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 9: three monthly lots, and so there is restriction in terms

1684
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 9: of how they used. And in fact, opioids are prescribed

1685
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 9: generally every ten days, so there is restricted access to them.

1686
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 9: And we use opioids often in palliative care or pain medication,

1687
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 9: and these medications, all of them, when used appropriately, are

1688
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 9: very very beneficial and have a real role to play.

1689
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 9: So there are restrictions and how they are used, and

1690
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 9: most gps are very careful with how they prescribe these

1691
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 9: medications and will often do things like say, prescribed ten

1692
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 9: daily if I've got concerns, We'll only give three days

1693
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 9: worth at once if if something is happening. But we

1694
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 9: do know that there are appalled of patients who have

1695
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 9: addictive who are addicted to medication, who do doctor shop

1696
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,560
Speaker 9: and look for amount of these medications to accumulate, so

1697
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 9: it can be a problem, but most gps are aware

1698
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 9: of the issue and are very careful when prescribing these medications.

1699
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: What impact do these Like you talked about the opioids

1700
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 2: in particular, what impact do they have on your body?

1701
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: If you're if you're using them at the dose that

1702
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: your doctor has prescribed, does that mean no impact on

1703
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 2: the body and only if you go over that does

1704
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 2: it start to affect you long term?

1705
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, we need to be very careful about why the

1706
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 9: medication is being used. So for instance, where a lot

1707
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 9: of these medications are used as actually impallative care end

1708
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 9: of life, and where they're being used for pain, there

1709
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 9: is really no risk of addiction to the person they've

1710
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 9: been used with, and we need to be very very

1711
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 9: clear on that. Where they used for the purposes of

1712
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 9: pain and palliative care, they're not addictive and they're totally appropriate.

1713
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 9: They can be titraded, and they need to be used

1714
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 9: where the problem arises. We know that, particularly things like opioids,

1715
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 9: where they are used inappropriately, that is the weather they're

1716
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 9: not used for for severe pain. So in a palliad

1717
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 9: of care situation, they do can give a you for

1718
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 9: a very addictive type property when they're not used for pain,

1719
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,879
Speaker 9: and it's in that that people can become very addicted

1720
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 9: to them. And in fact, opioids have a very very

1721
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 9: strong addictive property. So when they used outside of their indication,

1722
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 9: which in this case is for severe pain, there is

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Speaker 9: certainly a problem in terms of what they do to

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Speaker 9: the body and the potential for addiction.

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Speaker 2: But is the problem that you would take the dose

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01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: and double it and that affects your body, or could

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01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 2: you actually take a prescribed dose that a doctor would

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01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,679
Speaker 2: give you for pain for the rest of your life

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01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: then actually experience no side effects on your body.

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Speaker 9: Well, but that potentially happens. But again I go back

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Speaker 9: to the basic premise that if you are being prescribed

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Speaker 9: it for pain for a say, cancer for instance, then

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Speaker 9: it's absolutely appropriate and we don't get too concerned about

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Speaker 9: addictive properties in those situations totally. It's when it's been

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Speaker 9: diverted outside of that that's the way the problem starts

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Speaker 9: to arise.

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Speaker 2: I mean, forgot to say, if you've got cancer, the

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01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:26,640
Speaker 2: last thing you've worried about it whether you're addicted to

1739
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: some medicine. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 9: And we have to be very careful of that, that

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01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 9: the message that goes out that these medications do have

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Speaker 9: an absolute role to play. They are incredibly beneficial in

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01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 9: certain circumstances. Do you worry you need to be used

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Speaker 9: to the right place?

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Speaker 2: Do you worry sometimes that the more we talk about this,

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Speaker 2: that we might start regulating medicines like this and take

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Speaker 2: them away from people who need them.

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Speaker 9: Look, I think this is always a balancing act between

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Speaker 9: how much regulation do you put in place, because there

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01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 9: is perceptional there is an actual problem versus you know,

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01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 9: denying people who actually need access to these medications. I mean,

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01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 9: the other one I insted was ADHD medication that is

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 9: incredibly beneficial for patients who do suffer from ADHD, and

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Speaker 9: it is an incredibly important medication for those patients. But

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01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 9: again when it's used appropriately, it becomes a problem. So yes,

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Speaker 9: it's always this balancing act between how much restriction versus

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Speaker 9: making sure we do give access to these medications to

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Speaker 9: those that need it.

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Speaker 2: Brian, thank you, great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Brian Betty, Chair of General Practice and his Dylan

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01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 2: just gone eighteen minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour thanks to my HR

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01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: the HR solution for busy Smy's on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: I think the weirdest story of the day at quarter

1766
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 2: to seven is from Bishara Lesad, who's come out and

1767
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: said I didn't mean to flee the country, Like, why

1768
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 2: are you sharing this information with us? He's done it

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01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 2: over telegram, over social media? What is what kind of

1770
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 2: reaction does he expect from us?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't mean to flee the regime. I didn't

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01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 2: mean for Damascus to fall. I just ended up in

1774
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Russia by mistake. Okay, cool, like you're a tough guy.

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Speaker 2: We get it. You didn't you know? You didn't run

1776
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 2: away with your towel between your legs, did you. It's

1777
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 2: a very weird thing that's happened. So when on telegram

1778
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 2: he said, basically what happened was on the day that

1779
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Speaker 2: the regime fell, he went to a Russian military base

1780
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Speaker 2: on the advice of the Russians. He said, the Syrian

1781
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 2: troops there had abandoned their station and Russia, not him.

1782
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Speaker 2: Russia made the call for him to be airlifted out.

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Speaker 2: At no point, he writes, during these events, did I

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Speaker 2: consider stepping down or seeking refuge, Nor was such a

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01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 2: proposal made by any individual or party. Cool, bro, you

1786
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: didn't surrender. Good for you. Fourteen away from seven ran

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Speaker 2: Bridge in the Brady is a UK correspondent. He's with

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Speaker 2: us live tonight in the Good Evening.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Ryan, love it to speak to you again, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Now, Prince Andrew won't be at the Royal Christmas celebrations

1791
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 2: because of Spygate. But did he know that he was

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01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 2: dealing with a spy? And do we know whether he

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01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: knew or not?

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01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 6: Oh? Look, Prince Andrew generally doesn't know what day of

1795
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 6: the week it is. He is by far of a

1796
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 6: not very bright family. He is top of the tree.

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Speaker 23: He is the Christmas shining star in the House of Windsor,

1798
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 23: and he's the gift that keeps on taking Ryan. Honestly,

1799
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 23: you couldn't make this guy up. Look, whether he knew

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Speaker 23: or not, if I was in his position with access

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01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 23: to everything he has access to people, information, money. The

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01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 23: very first thing that would cross my mind is if

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Speaker 23: some Chinese business person suddenly wanted to befriend me and

1804
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 23: promised me the sun, moon, and stars. I'd be thinking

1805
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 23: this guy's a spy. But that's the difference between having

1806
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,440
Speaker 23: half a brain and no brain. The guy's an embarrassment,

1807
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 23: and look, he can enjoy a very small Christmas now

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01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 23: with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson in a house that

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01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 23: his brother and the taxpayer are still paying for. I mean,

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Speaker 23: you just, at some point, people just need to put

1811
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 23: this guy out the pasture. He has done nothing but

1812
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 23: embarrassed himself and his family for decades.

1813
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Speaker 2: Goodness, so he won't be coming to your place for Christmas.

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Speaker 23: Honestly, I've had dinner with him once, I've had dinner

1815
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,560
Speaker 23: with the guy once at the Irish Embassy, and I

1816
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 23: left before dessert because I just found I found him,

1817
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 23: I found him rude and thick, and there we go. Yeah, honestly,

1818
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,839
Speaker 23: the whole spy thing is very serious, actually a personal

1819
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 23: dislike to one side. It's very serious because you have

1820
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 23: a situation where this guy was clearly being groomed by

1821
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 23: the alleged Chinese spy, and you just think, well, hang on.

1822
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 6: The Chinese must have.

1823
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Speaker 23: Been rubbing their hands with glee getting their man inside

1824
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 23: Bookingham Palace, Windsor Castle, Parliament, meeting David Cameron, meeting Theresa May.

1825
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Speaker 6: It was all so easy.

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Speaker 2: The UK government must have known that the sky was

1827
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 2: a by though right, or at least had suspicions. And

1828
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Speaker 2: if so, why are they letting Prince Andrew near him?

1829
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Speaker 2: Or are they actually keeping Prince Andrew in the dark.

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Speaker 23: I think possibly someone made the decision that it's only

1831
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,600
Speaker 23: Andrew just led. What harm or what damage could he

1832
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Speaker 23: possibly do? But look, the damage is done and it's

1833
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 23: at a really awkward time. I feel sorry for Ker

1834
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 23: Starmer now because he's been trying to build a relationship

1835
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Speaker 23: with Shijingping and Beijing and obviously Britain needs trade, Britain

1836
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 23: needs investment, so it's it's a fine balance and the

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Speaker 23: Prime Minister, I think will be very very angry. He

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01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 23: could certainly have done without this Prince Andrew sized fly

1839
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 23: in the ointment the.

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01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: UK is allocated. It's funding for the next Olympics, which

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01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 2: sport is unhappy.

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Speaker 23: So athletics not happy at all their investments. So at

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01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 23: six hundred and sixty million dollars, team GB have got

1844
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 23: to play with in terms of financing and funding all

1845
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 23: the athletes and sports for the next four years to

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01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 23: get people to LA. Athletics dropping by four million dollars

1847
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 23: and basketball is getting a six million dollars and a

1848
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 23: lot of people are saying, hang on, there's far more

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01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 23: chance of British athletes actually winning something in athletics in

1850
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 23: four years time in LA than any prospect of the

1851
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 23: British basketball team knocking the USA or others.

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01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 6: Of their perch in Los Angeles. It's just not going

1853
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 6: to happen.

1854
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 23: Will be happy, and I guess ultimately the decision was

1855
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 23: taken that, you know, to improve participation levels as well.

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01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 23: The cyclists of course should be very happy they've got

1857
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 23: sixty million dollars to play with, so Team GB clearly

1858
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 23: betting for more medals.

1859
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 6: On the cycling track, someone's lakes.

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01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 2: Manchester United's team shape before the big debby against Manchester City.

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Speaker 2: Who did that?

1862
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 6: So investigation on the way. Internally.

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01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 23: Manchester United actually won this derby match at the weekend

1864
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 23: in the dying minutes of the game in spectacular fashion

1865
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 23: they won two one. It was a stunning win. I

1866
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 23: didn't see it coming. There are one nil down with

1867
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 23: about six minutes to go, but the team sheet was

1868
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:09,520
Speaker 23: online twenty.

1869
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 6: For the match. So there's a new manager who's coming in.

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Speaker 23: I think he's ruffled a few feathers perhaps, And now

1871
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 23: there are questions here who has this ended up on

1872
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,640
Speaker 23: social media? Very embarrassing, you know, club the size of

1873
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 23: Manchester United and whoever leaked it?

1874
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:28,480
Speaker 6: It was the actual eleven who took to the field.

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Speaker 2: In the Brady. Thank you very much for your time.

1876
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Our UK correspondent just gone ten away from seven actually

1877
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 2: before we go to break. I should it reminds me

1878
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: the Chinese and the spying and London. There's an excellent

1879
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: show on Netflix called Black Doves. If anyone hasn't seen it,

1880
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 2: you should. It's sit in London. It's a gritty spy

1881
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:52,679
Speaker 2: thriller involving Chinese spies and acted by Kiera Knightley. Brilliantly

1882
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 2: acted by Kieran Knightley, really really good and it's actually

1883
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 2: sat at Christmas time, so it's almost a Christmas movie

1884
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 2: as well. Highly recommend it is nine from seven News Talk,

1885
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 2: zaid B.

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01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Getting ready for a new administration in the US, what

1887
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: will be the impact? It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

1888
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: Allen and my Hr. The HR solution for busy SMEs

1889
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:14,560
Speaker 1: News Talk, said B.

1890
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: Seven away from seven, Karen has just asked, can you

1891
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,280
Speaker 2: please repeat the title of the Chinese spy movie that

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01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 2: I mentioned before the break. It's called Black Doves and

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01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 2: it's on Netflix and it's very good and you should

1894
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: watch it if you have Netflix. Of course. Actually they

1895
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 2: put the prices of Netflix up. I said to my

1896
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 2: partner the other day, I was like, do we at

1897
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: what point do we stop paying all these people living

1898
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: in I don't know, Silicon Valley just rubbing their great

1899
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: little hands together, and at what point do you start

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01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 2: being more strategic and saying we'll have Netflix for this

1901
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 2: month and then we'll change to the other one for

1902
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 2: the next month and watch everything that they've got on there.

1903
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:49,560
Speaker 22: How do you not already do this?

1904
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:49,920
Speaker 9: Ryan?

1905
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 24: Oh, yeah, you're dead right. You need to sit down

1906
01:36:52,479 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 24: with your partner and just sort it out things. It's

1907
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:59,120
Speaker 24: quite hard to work out how to cancel a subscription, especially.

1908
01:36:58,760 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 9: If I do.

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01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 24: I do it times a year. Do you it's so possible? Yeah, yeah,

1910
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 24: you just got to click through with it. We're like, oh,

1911
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 24: are you really sure?

1912
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 6: Oh?

1913
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,639
Speaker 24: Can you please tell us why? You're like, You're like, look,

1914
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 24: it's not a relationship, right, I'm not breaking up with you.

1915
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 24: I'm canceling a thing I've tried.

1916
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 2: There's one in particular. I think it's Neon. Yeah, Neon.

1917
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,000
Speaker 2: I've tried to cancel Neon about I don't know eight

1918
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Speaker 2: hundred times in the last three years. Never seem to

1919
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 2: get rid of it, like a as you say, like

1920
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 2: like an X that you just can't shake anyway. That

1921
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 2: is what it's called black Doves. Hey, very quickly, do

1922
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 2: we have time for this? What are we five away

1923
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 2: from seven? And what's our song for going out tonight?

1924
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 2: As we get to it, I'll tell you very quick

1925
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 2: word of the day dart titis. Do you know what

1926
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: that means. No, I learned about it today too. It

1927
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 2: is when you go to throw a dart, which stupid game.

1928
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 2: People get drunk, legless, drunk and a pub and throw

1929
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 2: sharp objects around darts. You know anyway, dart ititis is

1930
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 2: what you want them to have. It's where you can't

1931
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 2: throw the dart. It's a psychological problem where you have

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01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: the dart in your hand. There's a guy been playing

1933
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 2: darts for forty years, a professional. He now has dart itis.

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Speaker 2: He's been diagnosed. You have it in your hand and

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Speaker 2: you you want it to leave your fingers, but it

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Speaker 2: just won't. Apparently it's a real thing, dart itis. You're

1937
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Speaker 2: in shock. Apparently, he says, I stood there for ages.

1938
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,360
Speaker 2: I just couldn't get my arm up to let go

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Speaker 2: of the dart. Kevin was suffering from dart ititis, a

1940
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Speaker 2: mental condition where the brain stops the player from being

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Speaker 2: able to release the dart. There you go.

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Speaker 24: Is there a related condition, Ryan where the dart does

1943
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Speaker 24: leave your hand, but it goes absolutely nowhere? Neyar of

1944
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Speaker 24: the bit of the board that you wanted it to hurt.

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Speaker 24: Because I tell you, especially after I've had a couple,

1946
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Speaker 24: it tem to be suffering from that one when I try.

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Speaker 6: And him run.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's a dangerous game here.

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Speaker 24: I tell you what, you gotta be careful. Gracey Abrams,

1950
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Speaker 24: I love you. I'm sorry to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 24: Gracie Abrams was the musical guest on Saturday Night Live,

1952
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Speaker 24: the American TV show over the weekend. And you wonder, oh,

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Speaker 24: who still watches these shows?

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Speaker 22: What turns up?

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Speaker 24: Barbara Streisand Barbara streisand loves watching Saturday Night Live. And

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Speaker 24: we know that because she's now. She had on social

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Speaker 24: media saw a wonderful new singer. I mean she's been

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Speaker 24: around for a little bit while, but I guess everyone

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Speaker 24: is still finding out about it named Gracie Abrams on

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Speaker 24: Saturday Night Live this weekend. She's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: And did you know she's the daughter of my friend J.

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Speaker 24: J Abrams, So there you go, JJ Abrams of course,

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Speaker 24: being the movie director in here, that's the other fun

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Speaker 24: fact everyone finds out about Gracie. So welcome to the party,

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Speaker 24: Barbara Glen. I'm glad to see her being positive and

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Speaker 24: supporting new young stars coming through brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for their aunts and enjoy your evening. Everyone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for all of your feedback. Have a great evening,

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Speaker 2: Star at the Crash. Actually man never ands wrong again.

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Speaker 10: That cause.

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Speaker 2: Call flatter, make it follow me?

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Speaker 13: Hello?

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Speaker 1: Sorry for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live

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