1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Heather Duke now Federated Farmers, as I was just telling 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: you before a sounding the alarm about some pretty radical 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: suggestions for how we meet a climate target, a new 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: one the Climate Change Commission reckons what we need to 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: do is the following. Get rid of up to fifteen 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: percent of our dairy cows, get rid of up to 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: a quarter of our sheep and beef stock, and then 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: just plant a whole bunch of trees. Federated Farmers Toby 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Williams is with us. Now, hey, Toby, hey, here that 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: how many trees are we planting? 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Well eight hundred and fifty thousand hectears of what their 12 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: target is, which is about five hundred thousand hectears more 13 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: than what they wanted a couple of years ago. So 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: they seem to have, you know, been smoking something there 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: reckon and not quite getting their figures right. 16 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Because it's a lot of trees. I mean, that is 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: a lot of lot of trees, isn't it. 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if you I'm a round scared, you 19 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: could plant all of the Gisbon viral region and probably 20 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: all of Hawk's Bay. Still need to go and find 21 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: somewhere else all the part of all the flat everything. 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: All that food producing company sounds real doable. 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: And then once we've shot all of the animals, so 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: a quarter of our sheep and beef and fifteen percent 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: of our dairy farm a dairy cows. How poor are 26 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: we at this stage? 27 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: I think, you know, we're all biggest on the on 28 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: the side of the streets. Absolutely ridiculous. And we've just 29 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: been through a winter where people couldn't afford to buy 30 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: and his head and beef and lambs we reported Australian stuff. 31 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: Everybody's you know, shock and amazing. I mean that's just 32 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: if they're weare a heap of this, they're No one 33 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: in his edit is ever going to be able to 34 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: buy our dairy, our beef and our lamb is going 35 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: to be too expensive for them. So we're going to 36 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: start becoming a net food importer, which is just absolute madness. 37 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: Now, Toby, when you hear stuff like this, I mean, 38 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: this has because it is so wild and so it 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: would do so much harm to We'd be doing so 40 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: much harm to ourselves economically. When you hear stuff like this, 41 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: doesn't this just reduce the credibility of something like the 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Paris Agreement? 43 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 2: Well, it does? It just shows you what a you know, 44 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: what an absolute mind sild and what a croc really 45 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: that it is. You know, we're a very small agricultural 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: producing nation. You know, China and India and America more 47 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: emissions every day than our entire country does. Yet we 48 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: seem to have these people, the Climate Change Commission and 49 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: some politicians who I think it's the greatest thing in 50 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: the world that we have to do our but and 51 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: we have to sacrifice everything that we have, sacrifice our nation, 52 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: sacrifice our rural people and our rural communities, just so 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: we can agree to a piece of paper that was 54 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: signed in Paris less ago. It's crazy. 55 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: So I'm getting the feeling that you're the kind of 56 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: guy who's not going to have a big cry at 57 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: the fact that Donald Trump is straightening to pull out 58 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: of this thing. 59 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: No, definitely not. I don't like Donald Trump, you know, 60 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: I don't think he's time first that I would vote for. However, 61 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: he's showing some leadership there. He's standing up to all 62 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: these woite greenies and all the greater tim books in 63 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: this world and saying, you know what, you don't know 64 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: how to run my country. I know how to run 65 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 2: my country. This is what we're doing, and climate change 66 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: is important. You know, we need to do our bits. 67 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Planting vast ways of our country and highly flammable weeds 68 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: in terms of a pine tree, isn't the solution we 69 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 2: need to do when need to be looking at how 70 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: do we reduce our gross emissions, not how do we 71 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: put a bandit on it and pretend we've done the 72 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: world of favor by offsetting them with some pine trees. 73 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: Toby, you can come back on the show anytime you want. 74 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 2: Okay, God, thanks you. 75 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, love that. Thank you. Toby Williams, Federated Farmers. 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