1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: From the UK Rob Little, good morning, Good morning mate. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you've got a new government. Who saw the coming? 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we all did. I mean, in 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: many ways, it's a bizarre election in that Labor has 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: been elected with this massive maturity but with only just 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: under two percent more than they got wedding Jeremy Corbyn 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: was the leader of the party. It's absolutely clear that 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: you know, within this country, nobody really wants Labor or 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: Tory to run the country. So they are I think 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: they know that. I think the Labor Party knows that 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: that they have a lot of winning over to do 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: before they go into the next election five years from now. 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: Because you know, the votes which went to the smaller 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: parties the Green Party, the Reform Party, the Independence or 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: the Workers Party applied simply were outweighed what was voted 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: for the two main parties. And this is a problem 17 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: with the electoral system. You know, first part of the 18 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: post is great if it's just two parties going for it, 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: but it doesn't work so well if there's four or 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: five going for it. 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: But we've got MMP here. So it's great looking at 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: FPP and seeing oh that's how it works, because you know, 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the Labor Party did win Wales, and they did win Scotland, 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: and they did win in England, and so you realize 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: that's why they won. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well no indeed. But the remarkable thing is, 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: you know the actual vote and the election, that turnout 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: was down massively and Labor only our thirty four percent 29 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: of the vote, which is the sort of fifty you 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: would expect a party to lose with. 31 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: But you're quite right though, the real story here is 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: not the Labor Party, because they will just sit there 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: and go can we actually not make any mistakes for 34 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: five year? Is the real question is is it possible 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: for the Conservatives to rebuild because this is the worse 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: the being. 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: It's undoubtedly the biggest question at the moment. I mean, 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: there is an awful lot of goodwill towards the new 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: Labor government. Let's not disguise that even in Tory supporting newspapers, 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: there's some good will towards the idea that we've got 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: out of this era of chaos which we had for 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: the last four or five years under the Tories, and 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: got back to, as people keep putting it rather annoyingly, 44 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: the grown ups are back in the room. Well, maybe 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: let's see, but yeah, one of the tourists. Do now 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: do they make an alliance with Nigel Farage on the 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: populist side of the party or do they try to 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: retreat back into this kind of idea of a one 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: nation conservative party. And that's a very interesting question. And 50 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: I've been talking to a lot of MPs over the 51 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: last forty eight hours and all of them are saying, 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: we need a deal with Nigel Farage. We need to 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: to say to the Labor Party, immigration is the problem. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: And Tony Blair has weighed in over the last day 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 2: or two to say, yeah, immigration really is the problem. 56 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: If Labor doesn't get immigration under control, then there will 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: be a problem for the Labor government, which is rich 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 2: coming from the man who effectively opened the doors to 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: unfanneled immigration, you know, twenty odd years ago. 60 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: So on an interesting article the other day talking about 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: European politics and how you know the difference between the 62 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: right and the left and the rise of the right, 63 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: and how you define the right and the lift you know, 64 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: and in America it's very simple. It's immigrating. And it's 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: only now that Europe and now England learning immigration is 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: it is the great divider between right and lift. 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Yes, and it shouldn't be. It really shouldn't be. You see, 68 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm I'm I always consider myself on the left. Many 69 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: people over here consider me on the right. But I 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: argued for ages, immigration was the thing which held down 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: wages for the working class people of this country. And 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: that's kind of the same argument which is playing out 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: across Europe, plays out very much in American politics, in 74 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 2: which Trump tapped into so very ably back in twenty sixteen. 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: But immigration is the key issue, and I don't think 76 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: at the moment that the Labor Party has any idea 77 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: as to what to do about the levels of immigration 78 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: into outcome. 79 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: And oh dear, what will Rishie do next? Who cares? 80 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: Who will be the next Rishie? 81 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: Probably Kenny Badanock, which means that the Conservative Party tilts 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: to the right and will probably be called by the 83 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: BBC far right. If she can do some sort of 84 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: deal with reform, then there is a sort of fairly 85 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: fairly coach and response from the right to this government 86 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: because both again you have to keep saying it, this 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: Labor government, and I don't blame them for playing this down, 88 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: and I think they deserve their term in the government 89 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 2: was elected by thirty four percent of the country, which 90 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: is a terribly terribly low amount. 91 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, now, good luck for the semi final tomorrow. 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: Cheers mate, Yeah, we're all going to be hiding behind 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: our sofas, gnawing our fingernails down and eating really really 94 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: bad food. So yeah, thanks, We could do with your support. 95 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, no problem, no problem. England Netherlands actually is 96 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: not tomorrow's the day after, but anyway, Rod Little, I 97 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Tomorrow's Spain France. Spain's going to 98 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: win the whole thing. Spain is by far the by 99 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: side there. Spain is beautiful, and Buddy is playing for France. 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: He's got a mask on. He looks like he's straight 101 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: out of a Marvel movie. England, Netherland Thursday Morning. 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