1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,627 --> 00:00:15,787 Speaker 2: Coming to your life from the Roaming Giants, and reports 4 00:00:15,787 --> 00:00:19,987 Speaker 2: have emerged in recent days that breakaway rugby competition, Rugby 5 00:00:20,067 --> 00:00:24,147 Speaker 2: three sixty, is gaining some traction. It's designed to commercialize 6 00:00:24,227 --> 00:00:28,867 Speaker 2: rugby for modern audiences and media networks, and proposes a 7 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:32,267 Speaker 2: radical shift in how rugby is structured and sold. It 8 00:00:32,347 --> 00:00:37,947 Speaker 2: promises a fresh format built for digital platforms and global broadcasters, 9 00:00:38,227 --> 00:00:42,627 Speaker 2: with fast paced matches, city festivals and fan first experiences. 10 00:00:42,827 --> 00:00:45,827 Speaker 2: It draws heavily on the IPL and the NFL, city 11 00:00:45,867 --> 00:00:50,667 Speaker 2: based franchises, no relegation, salary caps for parity, and a short, 12 00:00:50,787 --> 00:00:55,987 Speaker 2: dynamic calendar. The reported model is of twelve franchises visiting 13 00:00:56,147 --> 00:01:01,267 Speaker 2: sixteen international venues, and it has reportedly attracted interest from 14 00:01:01,307 --> 00:01:05,387 Speaker 2: potential backers across the Premier League, Formula One and the NFL, 15 00:01:05,787 --> 00:01:10,627 Speaker 2: with multi bids for franchise slots already under consideration now 16 00:01:10,667 --> 00:01:13,707 Speaker 2: back as at targeting the three hundred best players in 17 00:01:13,747 --> 00:01:17,987 Speaker 2: the world across the men's and women's games. Dozens of 18 00:01:18,107 --> 00:01:22,587 Speaker 2: elite players have reportedly signed heads of agreement. The world's 19 00:01:22,667 --> 00:01:25,427 Speaker 2: top forty stars get this, are set to earn more 20 00:01:25,467 --> 00:01:29,547 Speaker 2: than two point three million New Zealand dollars per season. 21 00:01:30,067 --> 00:01:32,107 Speaker 2: That's the sort of money only a handful of players 22 00:01:32,147 --> 00:01:35,027 Speaker 2: can currently command around the globe. And it's not just 23 00:01:35,107 --> 00:01:39,707 Speaker 2: Rugby Union players being targeted. Warriors star Roger Tuivasa Schek, 24 00:01:40,107 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 2: Knights skipper Kayln Ponger and the Storm pair of Ryan 25 00:01:43,987 --> 00:01:47,707 Speaker 2: Poppenhausen and Nelson are so for. Solomona have been linked 26 00:01:47,747 --> 00:01:50,787 Speaker 2: to deals with Rugby three sixty as well, and players 27 00:01:50,787 --> 00:01:54,907 Speaker 2: who join aren't signing for specific franchises, but rather to 28 00:01:54,947 --> 00:01:59,267 Speaker 2: the competition itself, with the possibility of auctions and drafts 29 00:01:59,307 --> 00:02:01,667 Speaker 2: being floated around. So let's find out a bit more 30 00:02:01,667 --> 00:02:05,067 Speaker 2: about it. Leading sports agent Bruce Sharrick is with us. 31 00:02:05,307 --> 00:02:08,347 Speaker 2: Here's a list of elite clients includes Roger to I, 32 00:02:08,427 --> 00:02:12,787 Speaker 2: Vasishek and many current All Black stars. Bruce, thanks for 33 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:15,827 Speaker 2: joining us on the show this afternoon. How realistic a 34 00:02:15,907 --> 00:02:19,227 Speaker 2: concept do you believe Rugby three sixty to be? 35 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:23,667 Speaker 3: We'll berth again a Jason. Look, if you ahead up 36 00:02:23,667 --> 00:02:26,827 Speaker 3: asking me that question six months ago, out of ten, 37 00:02:26,907 --> 00:02:28,747 Speaker 3: I probably would have given it a three or four. 38 00:02:29,867 --> 00:02:33,227 Speaker 3: What we've continued to see over the six months leading 39 00:02:33,307 --> 00:02:36,067 Speaker 3: up to now is a lot of development and a 40 00:02:36,067 --> 00:02:39,307 Speaker 3: lot of progress. So you ask me now for remark 41 00:02:39,387 --> 00:02:41,947 Speaker 3: from what I know, I've suggest it's probably closer to 42 00:02:41,987 --> 00:02:43,307 Speaker 3: an eighth. 43 00:02:43,387 --> 00:02:46,107 Speaker 2: So what's happened in the last six months that's that's 44 00:02:46,187 --> 00:02:47,627 Speaker 2: bumped that number up. 45 00:02:49,027 --> 00:02:54,987 Speaker 3: Investment the airs of broadcast partners and are willingness to 46 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:58,107 Speaker 3: really charge on with what they see as a concept 47 00:02:58,107 --> 00:03:01,627 Speaker 3: that can I guess throw the product of rugby union 48 00:03:01,627 --> 00:03:02,547 Speaker 3: across the globe. 49 00:03:02,907 --> 00:03:05,747 Speaker 2: There's some big numbers being reported. I know you've seen them. 50 00:03:05,747 --> 00:03:08,067 Speaker 2: We've all seen them, you know, the likes of over 51 00:03:08,067 --> 00:03:11,147 Speaker 2: two million New Zealand dollars per year for some of 52 00:03:11,187 --> 00:03:12,067 Speaker 2: the top players. 53 00:03:12,307 --> 00:03:13,427 Speaker 4: Are these numbers real? 54 00:03:15,827 --> 00:03:19,107 Speaker 3: Yes they are, Jason, I can categoriphy tell you there. 55 00:03:20,467 --> 00:03:23,987 Speaker 2: So top players stand to earn over two million New 56 00:03:24,067 --> 00:03:27,347 Speaker 2: Zealand dollars per season in rugby three sixty. 57 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:32,907 Speaker 3: Yes, if they choose to join join the concept. That's 58 00:03:32,907 --> 00:03:36,187 Speaker 3: what's been promoted and clearly earlier on where they were 59 00:03:36,227 --> 00:03:39,667 Speaker 3: looking for commitments from players, the stakes are a little 60 00:03:39,667 --> 00:03:43,507 Speaker 3: bit higher. So like any initiative, you know, they were 61 00:03:43,747 --> 00:03:48,107 Speaker 3: raising mistakes to get some early commitments from players and 62 00:03:48,147 --> 00:03:49,867 Speaker 3: as you can imagine a lot of players are still 63 00:03:49,907 --> 00:03:53,987 Speaker 3: sitting on the fence, so you know that they're working 64 00:03:54,027 --> 00:03:58,107 Speaker 3: through their whole process. But the numbers you're talking about, 65 00:03:58,867 --> 00:04:00,627 Speaker 3: from what I know, are pretty real. 66 00:04:01,267 --> 00:04:02,667 Speaker 4: Where will this money come from? 67 00:04:04,387 --> 00:04:05,987 Speaker 3: You know, I think we look around the globe at 68 00:04:05,987 --> 00:04:08,947 Speaker 3: the moment, there's a real advertise for people to invest 69 00:04:09,307 --> 00:04:12,507 Speaker 3: in sporting franchises. We're seeing it in Bricking at the moment, 70 00:04:13,907 --> 00:04:15,507 Speaker 3: and I just think there's a colleque. Well, I know 71 00:04:15,547 --> 00:04:18,787 Speaker 3: there's a collection of people who are minus shareholders and 72 00:04:18,827 --> 00:04:21,547 Speaker 3: things are NBA and if our those sorts of people 73 00:04:21,587 --> 00:04:26,187 Speaker 3: are coming together to invest in this context. So that's 74 00:04:26,227 --> 00:04:28,067 Speaker 3: my understanding. I mean, one of the things that I 75 00:04:28,107 --> 00:04:31,267 Speaker 3: think has been falsely reported Jason is Seldi backing. This 76 00:04:31,387 --> 00:04:34,947 Speaker 3: isn't CELDi money. And so the reality is, you know, 77 00:04:35,107 --> 00:04:37,507 Speaker 3: there are genuine and legitimate people who are investing in 78 00:04:37,547 --> 00:04:38,987 Speaker 3: the growth of rugby union globally. 79 00:04:39,307 --> 00:04:44,347 Speaker 2: All right, So it's basically, I guess very rich people 80 00:04:44,507 --> 00:04:46,347 Speaker 2: who want to own a sporting franchise. 81 00:04:46,707 --> 00:04:48,907 Speaker 4: Is that what we're talking about in basic terms? 82 00:04:49,427 --> 00:04:51,987 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, if I couldn't comment on I don't know 83 00:04:52,027 --> 00:04:54,707 Speaker 3: the individual. So I'll put that up front and I 84 00:04:54,747 --> 00:04:57,387 Speaker 3: don't know whether or not they're of individual wealth. What 85 00:04:57,467 --> 00:05:01,627 Speaker 3: I do know is a collector. There are certainly a 86 00:05:01,627 --> 00:05:05,427 Speaker 3: lot of money being put together to pull together these franchises, 87 00:05:06,627 --> 00:05:09,627 Speaker 3: which you know, as I understand now, there have been 88 00:05:09,627 --> 00:05:11,707 Speaker 3: an agreement on who those owners are. 89 00:05:12,867 --> 00:05:16,107 Speaker 2: Involvement in this competition will presumably mean for a New 90 00:05:16,187 --> 00:05:20,067 Speaker 2: Zealand player foregoing the All Blacks. How strong does the 91 00:05:20,147 --> 00:05:23,307 Speaker 2: lure of the black jersey continue to be in keeping 92 00:05:23,307 --> 00:05:24,347 Speaker 2: our top players here? 93 00:05:25,027 --> 00:05:27,267 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you've hit on something that is the critical 94 00:05:27,307 --> 00:05:32,507 Speaker 3: point here. At the end of the day, this concept 95 00:05:32,547 --> 00:05:35,027 Speaker 3: has gone through the front field of World Rugby, World Rugby, 96 00:05:35,107 --> 00:05:37,027 Speaker 3: and all of the unions are aware of it, They've 97 00:05:37,067 --> 00:05:40,227 Speaker 3: met with them, and they're looking to be sanctioned as 98 00:05:40,227 --> 00:05:45,667 Speaker 3: a genuine competition. So I mean, to answer your question, 99 00:05:45,827 --> 00:05:47,867 Speaker 3: it is the biggest lead and the reason why a 100 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:50,147 Speaker 3: lot of players haven't committed yet. I mean, clearly we've 101 00:05:50,147 --> 00:05:52,747 Speaker 3: got a World Cup in twenty twenty seven and for 102 00:05:52,787 --> 00:05:56,307 Speaker 3: those players to effectively put that at risk because we 103 00:05:56,387 --> 00:06:00,627 Speaker 3: don't know the position of the national unions and the 104 00:06:00,627 --> 00:06:04,147 Speaker 3: participation of players from their country to spect the countries. 105 00:06:04,747 --> 00:06:06,707 Speaker 3: So yeah, look, it still has a poll without out 106 00:06:08,027 --> 00:06:10,107 Speaker 3: but I think the hope is and you know, Jason, 107 00:06:10,147 --> 00:06:11,987 Speaker 3: I think for those old enough, if we go back 108 00:06:12,027 --> 00:06:15,547 Speaker 3: to the mid nineties when Kerry Packer tried to come 109 00:06:15,627 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 3: up with a rebel competition, ironically, the concept is very similar. 110 00:06:19,507 --> 00:06:22,467 Speaker 3: What he wanted to do was taking competition global, and 111 00:06:22,587 --> 00:06:25,067 Speaker 3: he wanted to take a competition around the world to 112 00:06:25,107 --> 00:06:28,587 Speaker 3: elevate the sort of rugby union. Clearly what that triggered 113 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:31,027 Speaker 3: was New Zealan being one of them, but a lot 114 00:06:31,067 --> 00:06:34,627 Speaker 3: of unions becoming professional. Who knows what this may trigger 115 00:06:34,747 --> 00:06:36,707 Speaker 3: and what it may do to bring you know, I 116 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:39,427 Speaker 3: guess the game together and go, how do we elevate 117 00:06:39,547 --> 00:06:43,707 Speaker 3: this game of rugby to be relevant globally for the 118 00:06:43,787 --> 00:06:44,747 Speaker 3: next twenty five years. 119 00:06:45,267 --> 00:06:48,387 Speaker 2: So Rugby three sixty, if it becomes sanctioned, then would 120 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:51,267 Speaker 2: presumably run alongside the international program. 121 00:06:51,387 --> 00:06:54,107 Speaker 4: But what about all of the other club programs. 122 00:06:54,187 --> 00:06:56,707 Speaker 2: We talk about Super Rugby, A player surely couldn't play 123 00:06:56,787 --> 00:07:00,067 Speaker 2: Super rugby Rugby three sixty and for the All Blacks. 124 00:07:00,547 --> 00:07:03,267 Speaker 3: Correct, And I think that's where the parties need to 125 00:07:03,307 --> 00:07:06,587 Speaker 3: sit down and seecure of some middle point here. What 126 00:07:06,747 --> 00:07:09,507 Speaker 3: they have done with the calendar that's been promoted is 127 00:07:09,787 --> 00:07:12,107 Speaker 3: they're a windows for international rugby. I think for us 128 00:07:12,147 --> 00:07:14,867 Speaker 3: here in New Zealand the Rugby Championship would need to 129 00:07:14,867 --> 00:07:18,027 Speaker 3: be realigned. But as you know, there are conversations about 130 00:07:18,067 --> 00:07:21,867 Speaker 3: trying to align those calendars anyway. And you're right, they 131 00:07:21,907 --> 00:07:24,347 Speaker 3: couldn't play three to six the international rugby and the 132 00:07:24,427 --> 00:07:26,987 Speaker 3: domestic comp So that's where the pressure point is in 133 00:07:27,067 --> 00:07:29,227 Speaker 3: my head at least, And again I don't notice, I'm 134 00:07:29,307 --> 00:07:32,587 Speaker 3: just surmising it to someone who's observed the industry over 135 00:07:32,667 --> 00:07:37,347 Speaker 3: many many years. Your domestic competition being Super Rugby here 136 00:07:38,427 --> 00:07:43,747 Speaker 3: and Premiership and Top fourteen in France, etc. That is 137 00:07:43,827 --> 00:07:45,627 Speaker 3: going to be challenged because if you take out of 138 00:07:45,707 --> 00:07:50,507 Speaker 3: it twenty thirty forty leading players from those competitions, there's 139 00:07:50,547 --> 00:07:52,987 Speaker 3: a real discussion that you had whether or not that 140 00:07:53,107 --> 00:07:58,547 Speaker 3: domestic comp is then the premier comp domestically. So look, 141 00:07:58,787 --> 00:08:01,067 Speaker 3: I don't have the answer to that. I guess my 142 00:08:01,267 --> 00:08:03,067 Speaker 3: role in all of this is to try and understand 143 00:08:03,267 --> 00:08:06,027 Speaker 3: how real it is and provide these options to our players, 144 00:08:06,867 --> 00:08:08,387 Speaker 3: and clearly Roger is one of those. 145 00:08:09,987 --> 00:08:11,707 Speaker 5: Yeah, as I say, where. 146 00:08:11,867 --> 00:08:14,667 Speaker 3: We're charged with the responsibility of being aware of global 147 00:08:14,747 --> 00:08:17,587 Speaker 3: rugby and Wasson and now which was formerly U sportif 148 00:08:18,067 --> 00:08:20,347 Speaker 3: are the most connected agency globally and we're very close 149 00:08:20,427 --> 00:08:20,587 Speaker 3: to it. 150 00:08:20,707 --> 00:08:21,787 Speaker 5: We understand what's going wrong. 151 00:08:22,907 --> 00:08:25,147 Speaker 4: How should New Zealand Rugby be reacting to this. 152 00:08:26,867 --> 00:08:27,667 Speaker 5: With an open mind? 153 00:08:28,227 --> 00:08:31,867 Speaker 3: In my view, Look, there are a lot of considerations 154 00:08:32,027 --> 00:08:34,827 Speaker 3: and look I get it from the New Zealand rank perspective. 155 00:08:36,067 --> 00:08:38,827 Speaker 3: You know, the major revenue streams are coming from broadcasts, 156 00:08:39,547 --> 00:08:43,147 Speaker 3: They're coming from sponsors and effectively coming. 157 00:08:42,987 --> 00:08:43,907 Speaker 5: From walk up crowds. 158 00:08:44,667 --> 00:08:48,107 Speaker 3: So you know if SkyTV, as an example, saw this 159 00:08:48,387 --> 00:08:52,747 Speaker 3: watered down Super Rugby competition and circ one hundred million 160 00:08:52,787 --> 00:08:56,107 Speaker 3: turned into fifty million, that's a financial challenge. But is 161 00:08:56,147 --> 00:08:57,107 Speaker 3: there a way around us? 162 00:08:57,227 --> 00:09:00,107 Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm surviving. I guess what I'm. 163 00:08:59,987 --> 00:09:04,867 Speaker 3: Motivated by, Jason and excited by is this an opportunity 164 00:09:04,907 --> 00:09:06,867 Speaker 3: for us to sit down and see if we engage 165 00:09:06,907 --> 00:09:11,867 Speaker 3: a wider global community of rugby fans and really elevates 166 00:09:11,947 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 3: the game and give it relevant for another quarter. 167 00:09:14,467 --> 00:09:15,027 Speaker 5: Of a decade. 168 00:09:15,467 --> 00:09:16,907 Speaker 4: Do you think it is? Do you think it could be? 169 00:09:17,987 --> 00:09:20,147 Speaker 3: Yeah? I do you know with the right people at 170 00:09:20,187 --> 00:09:22,307 Speaker 3: the helm and sitting around, I mean, I think on 171 00:09:22,427 --> 00:09:25,027 Speaker 3: the pure commercials of it, there are a group of 172 00:09:25,147 --> 00:09:28,267 Speaker 3: people who have or are looking to invest circuit two 173 00:09:28,307 --> 00:09:32,027 Speaker 3: fifty odd millions. It's outside investment into this game. They 174 00:09:32,187 --> 00:09:35,427 Speaker 3: clearly have a commercial model that they're looking at that 175 00:09:35,707 --> 00:09:38,347 Speaker 3: seeds some return on it. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. 176 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:42,307 Speaker 3: So you know, there are some very smart people. I 177 00:09:42,507 --> 00:09:45,507 Speaker 3: know for a fact that they're resourcing up. They've got 178 00:09:45,507 --> 00:09:48,027 Speaker 3: a finance division, they've got a legal division, and they're 179 00:09:48,027 --> 00:09:50,747 Speaker 3: building an operations division. Because you've got to move a 180 00:09:51,387 --> 00:09:53,987 Speaker 3: rugby circus around the globe rating weeks of the year, 181 00:09:54,747 --> 00:09:57,707 Speaker 3: and that is the concept that's going to I guess, 182 00:09:57,787 --> 00:10:02,107 Speaker 3: really well known destinations globally and playing a series and 183 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:06,227 Speaker 3: carnival of footy on a Friday of international world class 184 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:10,027 Speaker 3: potentially on Saturday, and rolling into another set of games 185 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:13,387 Speaker 3: on a Sunday, and the fans of those respective cities 186 00:10:13,667 --> 00:10:16,987 Speaker 3: would be taking in some high level rugby unions. 187 00:10:17,787 --> 00:10:20,627 Speaker 2: You're doing your job as an agent by presenting these options, 188 00:10:20,667 --> 00:10:23,347 Speaker 2: whatever they might excuse me, whatever they might be, to 189 00:10:23,427 --> 00:10:28,907 Speaker 2: your clients. What, without being specific about players, what's the 190 00:10:29,027 --> 00:10:32,747 Speaker 2: general feedback you're getting when you're presenting the Rugby three 191 00:10:32,907 --> 00:10:33,707 Speaker 2: sixty concept. 192 00:10:35,027 --> 00:10:37,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, eyes wide open. As the first reaction. However, 193 00:10:38,107 --> 00:10:40,827 Speaker 3: you know, again it's our role. If someone holds an 194 00:10:40,867 --> 00:10:45,267 Speaker 3: inspiration to play international rugby, then enter with extreme caution 195 00:10:46,027 --> 00:10:47,987 Speaker 3: because at this stage you do not want to put 196 00:10:48,027 --> 00:10:51,467 Speaker 3: that at roots. So many of our current internationals are 197 00:10:51,507 --> 00:10:54,347 Speaker 3: aware of the competition, but you know it's not the 198 00:10:54,467 --> 00:10:55,587 Speaker 3: thing for them at this stage. 199 00:10:55,667 --> 00:10:58,627 Speaker 5: It really isn't. But there are many other players both 200 00:10:58,787 --> 00:11:00,187 Speaker 5: not only here in New Zealand. 201 00:10:59,907 --> 00:11:02,507 Speaker 3: But expats playing in Japan, playing in France, playing in 202 00:11:02,547 --> 00:11:05,787 Speaker 3: the UK that could be coming off contractor in twenty 203 00:11:05,867 --> 00:11:09,027 Speaker 3: six or twenty seven and say, hey, there's another confidence, 204 00:11:09,107 --> 00:11:09,667 Speaker 3: another option. 205 00:11:10,227 --> 00:11:11,307 Speaker 5: Should we be looking at it? 206 00:11:12,027 --> 00:11:14,707 Speaker 3: So you know, that's our role, as you say, to 207 00:11:14,787 --> 00:11:17,627 Speaker 3: put it in front of them and to give them choice. 208 00:11:17,667 --> 00:11:19,907 Speaker 3: And the way that I see it, I guess is 209 00:11:19,987 --> 00:11:24,387 Speaker 3: that it's another international competition that players who want, they 210 00:11:24,507 --> 00:11:28,467 Speaker 3: feel they may have exhausted their domestic opportunity can look 211 00:11:28,507 --> 00:11:30,187 Speaker 3: further afield and maybe engage in it. 212 00:11:30,947 --> 00:11:33,307 Speaker 2: When the IPL came and it was only the IPL, 213 00:11:33,587 --> 00:11:35,867 Speaker 2: if we use a cricket analogy, now there are any 214 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:39,427 Speaker 2: number of franchise leagues around the world. Bruce, can you 215 00:11:39,507 --> 00:11:42,307 Speaker 2: ever see a time when rugby becomes a bit like 216 00:11:42,427 --> 00:11:45,947 Speaker 2: cricket with more than one option of this type available 217 00:11:46,027 --> 00:11:46,507 Speaker 2: to players. 218 00:11:48,267 --> 00:11:52,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I guess I can. And that's this sort 219 00:11:52,947 --> 00:11:54,867 Speaker 3: of individual I am. You know, I don't like sitting 220 00:11:54,947 --> 00:11:58,267 Speaker 3: spell and who knows, it'll be a bit beyond lie 221 00:11:58,387 --> 00:12:00,947 Speaker 3: time in the game. But you know, if we're going 222 00:12:00,987 --> 00:12:04,227 Speaker 3: to maintain relevance, we have to move with what the 223 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:07,147 Speaker 3: world is doing, and maybe cricket is a model. Let 224 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:09,507 Speaker 3: me look at you know, there are certain things within 225 00:12:09,627 --> 00:12:11,947 Speaker 3: Rugby that you know, I treat you like everybody else, 226 00:12:12,147 --> 00:12:15,227 Speaker 3: and it's the heritage, it's the past, it's the tradition. 227 00:12:16,147 --> 00:12:18,027 Speaker 3: To me, you hang on to those the best you can, 228 00:12:18,267 --> 00:12:19,947 Speaker 3: but you can't live in the past and you have 229 00:12:20,067 --> 00:12:22,747 Speaker 3: to come forward in some way, shape or form to 230 00:12:22,907 --> 00:12:24,387 Speaker 3: maintain relevance. 231 00:12:23,987 --> 00:12:25,827 Speaker 5: With a new audience. 232 00:12:25,867 --> 00:12:28,827 Speaker 3: I mean, the people consuming a product today are totally 233 00:12:28,867 --> 00:12:30,307 Speaker 3: different to what they're were when you and I were 234 00:12:30,307 --> 00:12:31,187 Speaker 3: watching past. 235 00:12:30,987 --> 00:12:34,507 Speaker 4: And so really, well, so Rugby three sixty is not 236 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:35,347 Speaker 4: a fairy tale. 237 00:12:36,387 --> 00:12:39,667 Speaker 3: I don't think so, as I say, I would market 238 00:12:39,667 --> 00:12:42,427 Speaker 3: an eight out of ten given what I know, we're 239 00:12:42,467 --> 00:12:44,427 Speaker 3: going to know within the next two or three months 240 00:12:44,787 --> 00:12:47,867 Speaker 3: whether or not this is the reality, and so you 241 00:12:47,987 --> 00:12:51,107 Speaker 3: know that it's something that needs to be considered in 242 00:12:51,267 --> 00:12:54,187 Speaker 3: certain exits about a broad level and around the place. 243 00:12:54,347 --> 00:12:57,227 Speaker 3: Because you know, and I said this the other night. 244 00:12:58,027 --> 00:12:59,907 Speaker 5: Hidden the stand for me is not a strategy. 245 00:13:00,187 --> 00:13:02,427 Speaker 3: The things are happening around you. I'd rather be part 246 00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:03,907 Speaker 3: of a change and not. 247 00:13:04,107 --> 00:13:05,947 Speaker 5: Told what to do as a result of a change. 248 00:13:06,587 --> 00:13:09,627 Speaker 3: So, you know, engage further, find out what's going on, 249 00:13:09,947 --> 00:13:12,387 Speaker 3: find out if there is some middle ground, and we 250 00:13:12,467 --> 00:13:14,747 Speaker 3: can turn rugby and we all come together with the 251 00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:18,867 Speaker 3: United interests here that is to make rugby a very 252 00:13:18,987 --> 00:13:21,827 Speaker 3: very relevant sports globally. And if we can do that 253 00:13:21,947 --> 00:13:25,787 Speaker 3: on the back of private and new investment, why wouldn't. 254 00:13:25,387 --> 00:13:30,947 Speaker 2: You terrific insight and hugely interesting comments from you, as always, Bruce, 255 00:13:30,987 --> 00:13:32,547 Speaker 2: our audience will have a lot to say. I'm sure 256 00:13:32,587 --> 00:13:34,307 Speaker 2: thanks for joining us this afternoon, Mate. 257 00:13:34,227 --> 00:13:37,227 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, and go to the All Black suceeding Yeah. 258 00:13:37,067 --> 00:13:39,787 Speaker 2: Go the All Blacks. Indeed, thanks Bruce, Bruce Sharik. They're 259 00:13:39,827 --> 00:13:43,227 Speaker 2: one of our leading sports agents with some very very 260 00:13:43,347 --> 00:13:45,467 Speaker 2: interesting thoughts. Indeed. 261 00:13:46,067 --> 00:13:49,227 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Faine, listen live 262 00:13:49,347 --> 00:13:52,627 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday or follow 263 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:54,267 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.