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Speaker 2: Been well Today the Public Service Commission on his report

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Speaker 2: and Taffaran Field is in this Thursday Morning are along

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Speaker 2: with Rod who does Great Britain for it, Pasking Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the day. Seven past six s and p Standard

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Speaker 2: and Paws have made an interesting observation over our water reforms.

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Speaker 2: They worry that the new system local water done well

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Speaker 2: So score one for labor if you're playing politics on

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Speaker 2: this one. Now to their point, which is more based

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Speaker 2: It points out the councils, although they have a lot

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Speaker 2: It's your water. You can do it well for yourself. Now,

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Speaker 2: There is also a lesson, I would hope in this

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Speaker 2: The mechanism set up allows councils to borrow from a

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Speaker 2: and not fundamentals like water. Not all councils, of course,

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Speaker 2: but a lot. So this is a kind of lesson

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Speaker 2: how much simpler life is. Does their predicament brought about

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Speaker 2: by death and largest present risk as it and p sagest. Yes,

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Speaker 2: But it's your area, your water, your problem.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds from the.

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Speaker 2: Old geopolitical file, What have I got for your Trump's

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Speaker 2: interest in Venezuela's been met with a philly hefty old

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Speaker 2: deployment of troops by a Maduro.

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Speaker 3: We have truth and reason on our side. We stand

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Speaker 3: on the right side of history. We defend the most

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Speaker 3: sacred cause ever defended in Britain.

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Speaker 2: We may well have the beginnings of a coup on

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Speaker 2: star and civil names are in the mix, but the

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Speaker 2: hot money seems to be on wez streeting.

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Speaker 4: I've got a harder job already, so I'm quite enjoying

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Speaker 4: DNIS one, Thank you very much, and I'm definitely not

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Speaker 4: going to say anything today that adds to the silly

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Speaker 2: File tories, of course lapping it up.

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Speaker 5: The Prime Minister's advisors had been reduced to briefing that

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Speaker 5: MPs can't get rid of him because it would destabilize

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Speaker 5: international markets. Why does the Prime Minister think that there

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Speaker 5: would be a market meltdown if the health sextree took over.

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Speaker 2: Doing his best?

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Speaker 6: This is a.

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Speaker 7: United team and grew up a living together.

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Speaker 5: The Sun five interest rate cuts.

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Speaker 2: He's in trouble. More from Rod Lader. We also have

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Speaker 2: a report on a detention sinto where a bloke called

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Speaker 2: ago for sexual abuse. He's now dead. Others abuse happened

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Speaker 8: Widespread physical abuse was present from the day Medensley opened

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Speaker 2: Britain just seems to be a country of less reports,

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Speaker 2: right now numbers of this Morning Show mortgage DeMar is

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Speaker 2: But still there are those who say it's all two

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Speaker 4: They're not subsidized by their families or parents, forget about it.

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Speaker 2: Finally, Toto Wolf looking to sell part of a stake

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Speaker 2: News of the world in ninety inflation in India, What

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Speaker 2: have we got zero point two five percent for October?

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Speaker 2: Is that good? Yes, it's cooler than expected, So they

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Speaker 2: think the RB might be moving on that, and weimo.

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Speaker 2: If you're holidaying over Christmas and you're heading to San

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Speaker 2: way moo ROBOTAXI, they can take you on the free now.

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Speaker 2: They're also expanding into San Jose. Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Evy day forty three of the shutdown vote this afternoon

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Speaker 9: Global company, true long term vision, big part of local

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Speaker 10: The share price has been under a bit of pressure recently.

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Speaker 10: America's the America's Area hard Work posted a first half loss.

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Speaker 10: That's a tough environment. They did maintain shareholders will enjoy this.

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Speaker 10: Braid said they're improving market share, feeling more positive.

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Speaker 9: But I really took note of his comments on New Zealand, Mike.

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Speaker 10: He said things are improving, and that follows a number

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Speaker 9: For somebody like main freight looking forward could be to

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Speaker 9: You know big projects.

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Speaker 10: You've built a stadium, I suppose you get a big

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Speaker 10: I mean, if you look at historically when you've come

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Speaker 9: And the expectation, of course.

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Speaker 2: It'd be difficulty finding out how Elon's going to get

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Speaker 6: Hello, it's Trevor Bingley from House its Deluxe. We aren't

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Speaker 2: Well you should see his mother soon, Netflix, December eleven.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this time yesterday we were talking about

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Speaker 2: Weird a story in the world. There is a claim

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Speaker 2: this morning and investigation has been opened in Milan Italians

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Speaker 2: the Bosnia Herzegovina War. How is this possible. Catherine Field

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Speaker 2: with us. Roger, good morning, Good morning, Mike. Now, the

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Speaker 11: I think to sign it both, Mike. We've certainly seen

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Speaker 2: Now, you can't well, do you. Their claim yesterday was

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Speaker 11: There's no doubt that any price increase within the supply

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Speaker 2: So if they pay more and get a better service,

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Speaker 11: No, we aren't in monopoly, which is the line A

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Speaker 2: When you say you're not a monopoly, you are, and

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Speaker 11: Well, Mike, you know the Port of Tartong has been

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Speaker 11: And what we've started to do is claw back what was,

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Speaker 2: Okay. Fun text Mike when talking to the Auckland Port's boss,

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Speaker 2: Speaking of costs inflation, you know what's everything from your

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Speaker 2: something needs to be blown up. And it's expensive to

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Speaker 2: blow stuff up. And if it's expensive to blow stuff up,

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Speaker 2: the end product becomes expensive. Why they should have T

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Speaker 2: and T the war six forty.

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Speaker 1: Five International correspondence with Nzen Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: And Francis Morning Carera, How are you? I'm good, Thank you, Mike.

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Speaker 2: This Bosnia thing has there been around at all? I've

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Speaker 2: not heard anything. All of a sudden this morning in

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Speaker 2: Milan they're launching this investigation. Rich Italians going out shooting people.

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Speaker 2: What the hell's are going on?

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Speaker 6: It will There have been allegations that get really right

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Speaker 6: back from when it actually happened during the Bosnian War.

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Speaker 6: Let's not forget that was nineteen ninety two to nineteen

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Speaker 6: ninety six, during the same siege of Sarajevo. There were

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Speaker 6: rumors about it, people sort of talked about it, But

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Speaker 6: now finally it seems that prosecutors in Milan say they

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Speaker 6: have got enough information to open an investigation into as

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Speaker 6: many as one hundred well they call them tourists, which

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Speaker 6: were Italians, German, French and British who paid up to

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Speaker 6: one hundred and sixty thousand New Zealand dollars to fly

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Speaker 6: to Belgrade and then be transported by Bosnian Serve army

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Speaker 6: to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so they could take part

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Speaker 6: more was known as a Sarajevo safari, So you'd be

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Speaker 6: up on the hell above Sarajovo and could shoot down

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Speaker 6: at the residents the civilians below who were running around

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Speaker 6: trying to make their way during this wartime. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, the geography of Sarajevo, Mike is such that

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Speaker 6: it's an a basin, It was surrounded by mountains, and

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Speaker 6: what the Bosnian Serbs did was they would have their

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Speaker 6: own troops and these so called sniper tourists who would

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Speaker 6: stay up above the hill and would just shoot down

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Speaker 6: into the population. The prosecutors say they do have names,

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Speaker 6: they will be following up these people. But really extraordinary

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Speaker 6: story and it would seemed that the man behind it

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Speaker 6: who knew all about it was, of course, the head

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Speaker 6: of the Bosnian Serb Army Redvan Carriage, who is currently

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Speaker 6: serving forty years prison given down by the Hague International

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Speaker 6: Criminal Court because he was found guilty of genocide.

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Speaker 2: We've got a problem with timing. I would have thought

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Speaker 2: evidence and all that usual sort of stuff. But if

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Speaker 2: you find somebody who did, what on earth do you

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Speaker 2: charge them with?

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Speaker 6: Ah, they are charged with voluntary murder aggravated by cruelty

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Speaker 6: and abject force.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's known as.

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Speaker 11: Murder.

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Speaker 2: How is it possible that it's been ten years since

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Speaker 2: November thirteen?

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Speaker 6: Hard to believe. It's not like I think it must

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Speaker 6: have been. It was such a powerful night. But yeah,

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Speaker 6: ten years Wednesday for those attacks across Paris, more than

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Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty people dead during a shooting rampage

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Speaker 6: across cafes and then a dance hall here in the capitol. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's going to be a day of remembrance. It's going

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Speaker 6: to be throughout the day. The President and the Mayor

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Speaker 6: of Paris will be visiting all those sites, all those

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Speaker 6: cafes where people were just sitting having a drink. At

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Speaker 6: the end of the day, and then at the end

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Speaker 6: of the day on Wednesday, there's going to be a

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Speaker 6: big ceremony at the Garden of Remembrance, which they've said

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Speaker 6: up near City Hall. Just thinking back on it, Mike,

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Speaker 6: you remember at the time, there was all this talk

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Speaker 6: about this was going to be a civil war, There's

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Speaker 6: going to be a mass revenge, this was going to

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Speaker 6: be targeting our Western way of life. Well, none of

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Speaker 6: that actually happened in the end. I think that's pretty

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Speaker 6: much what is also going to be remembered on Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be the fact that this happened. There

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Speaker 6: wasn't a civil war, there were no large, stale revenge attacks.

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Speaker 6: And yes there is still a problem in France, there

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Speaker 6: is still the risk of terror attacks, but there's not

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Speaker 6: actually been whole groups of people going out and seeking revenge.

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Speaker 2: The g seven. By the way, foreign ministers, what did

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Speaker 2: anything come out of US?

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Speaker 6: I think the big thing that's come out of it,

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Speaker 6: Mike is, of course you're worries about turbulence on trade

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Speaker 6: caused by the US government. I mean the general up

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Speaker 6: and down is that Trump is more focused on grievances

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Speaker 6: of a trade policies than actually collaborating with former friend.

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Speaker 6: But I think the biggest thing that came out was

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Speaker 6: the French Foreign minister, who, without naming names, said that

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Speaker 6: there is a yes, so you need to do something

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Speaker 6: about the global narcotics trade. But what he did say

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Speaker 6: was there is a deployment in the Caribbean that is dangerous.

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Speaker 6: There's a risk that this will lead to a conflict.

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Speaker 6: And he also said very pointedly what is going on

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Speaker 6: there in particular is a disregard for international law. Now

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Speaker 6: you might say, heck, what's France doing getting involved in this.

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Speaker 6: France has of course got territories in the Caribbean. They've

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Speaker 6: also got French Guiana, which is just south of Venezuela,

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Speaker 6: and of course the Venezuelans have warned that if the

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Speaker 6: US continues this build up, there is the risk of

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Speaker 6: a full blown conflict.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time as always. Catherine Fielder is in for

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Speaker 2: Joe this Thursday morning, of course in that broad part

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Speaker 2: of the world, and I'm looking for to getting up

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Speaker 2: talking to Rod. What makes the starm a thing different

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Speaker 2: is his mates were in the BBC yesterday saying if

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Speaker 2: anything happens, he's going to fight it. This is the coup,

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Speaker 2: so there's definitely something on where this streeting we mentioned

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Speaker 2: earlier in the program seems to be the hot money.

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Speaker 2: But Mahmoud shabanamah Moud, the Home Secretary, seems to be

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Speaker 2: a player. Luise Haig, who's the former Transport secretary, is

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Speaker 2: possibly a player. And so there really is something stirring

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Speaker 2: and they're sick of it and they're sick of him.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if it comes to anything. The other

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Speaker 2: thing you sort of didn't know what to do with

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Speaker 2: today was they asked him, what are you going to

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Speaker 2: do about Trump of the billion dollars and the BBC?

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Speaker 2: Because Trump was on Fox yesterday going, look, I got

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Speaker 2: to I'm obligated to go and sue them. So I

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Speaker 2: don't know how they handled that or whether that's the

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Speaker 2: climacy or some arm twisting or somebody writes a check.

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Speaker 2: But that's another one that's yet to unfold as well.

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Speaker 2: But Rod later on nine to seven, so.

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Speaker 1: Mike costing breakfast with a Vita retirement communities news togs

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Speaker 1: had been that of.

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Speaker 2: Roger Gray pushed back, Mike, I'm a customer and they

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Speaker 2: would be up there with the worst port in the country.

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Speaker 2: We've got no other option due to the cost and

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Speaker 2: time with other portsold, charge you for just looking at

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Speaker 2: it contained to the guys full of it. We do

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Speaker 2: have a problem in this country at the moment with

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Speaker 2: successful businesses. I mean, yes, they're in a is it

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Speaker 2: a unique position? The same with Bang, same with the airports,

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Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. By the way, Aco Mike

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Speaker 2: Burgess yesterday gave what I regard as a deeply concerning

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Speaker 2: insight into China and then nefarious activities. I see no

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Speaker 2: reportage here because he specifically mentioned five eyes. Now, who

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Speaker 2: is a member of the five eyes? We are so

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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that. Five to seven.

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Speaker 1: Holy is and the else. It's the fiz with business

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Speaker 1: tiber take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: We had piece of so called research this morning from

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Speaker 2: a crowd called Go Get a Job, the recruitment company.

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Speaker 2: They've done a job mobility survey. It turns out a

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Speaker 2: quarter of us would change jobs and it meant a

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Speaker 2: pay rise of somewhere between six and ten percent. Six

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Speaker 2: percent of us would leave for a pay rise of

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Speaker 2: between one and five percent. I mean that just means

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Speaker 2: you're miserable if you're going somewhere for one percent. That's stupid.

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Speaker 2: The problem with the percentage is, of course, is percentages

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Speaker 2: of what I mean, if you earn three hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars four percents a bit different to four percent to

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Speaker 2: sixty five thousand dollars, which is why they found those

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Speaker 2: earning the big man need six figures more likely to

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Speaker 2: leave for a smaller percentage. Obviously, thirty four percent earning

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Speaker 2: more than one hundred grand say yes to all move

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Speaker 2: are only nineteen percent of bows earning less than one

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Speaker 2: hundred grand said they would move for less than ten percent. Overall,

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Speaker 2: about a third thirty one said they change job changed

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Speaker 2: jobs for a pay rise of between eleven and twenty

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Speaker 2: when we all only six percent say they wouldn't quit

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Speaker 2: their job even if they were offered more money somewhere

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Speaker 2: else because they love it so much. Now pay doesn't

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Speaker 2: do it for you, And here we go four day

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Speaker 2: week might yeah, the old hybrid working. That's the most

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Speaker 2: important thing outside of money. Sitting on your ass at

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Speaker 2: home is really cool, way more important than career developments

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Speaker 2: or growth opportunities. Heaven forbid, we have any career development

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Speaker 2: when you can go make yourself another coffee in the kitchen,

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Speaker 2: working from home and doing a four day week. So

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Speaker 2: that's New Zealand Inc. Twenty twenty five Styles for you.

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Speaker 2: Brian Roch got a couple of problems on his handways,

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Speaker 2: a lot of problems on hands. He was getting rid

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Speaker 2: of some ministries last time I looked, and he's got

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Speaker 2: the industrial action for the nurses and the doctors and

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Speaker 2: the teachers and every other public servant in the country.

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Speaker 2: But in the ensuing period he's also got mixed skimming

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Speaker 2: and the former police commissioner to deal with. So so

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Speaker 2: what's happening next? How does he handle all of this?

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Speaker 2: He's with us after the news, which is next. You're

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Speaker 2: on the Mike Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities, the big names talk to

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Speaker 1: Mike the mic Hosking Breakfast, were the defender embraced the

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Speaker 1: impossible news talks Dad be.

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Speaker 2: Seven past seven. So let's look at the employment side

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Speaker 2: of the mix skimming scandal. The independent report from the

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Speaker 2: Public Services Commission had to look at the reference and

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Speaker 2: probity checks used in employing him. Now, Sir Brian Roches,

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Speaker 2: of course the Public Service Commissioner and is with us.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Good morning, Where would you some

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Speaker 2: how would you summarize what we've got to so far.

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Speaker 13: I think we're in a really difficult position. We're in

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Speaker 13: the position where the public is asking very valid questions

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Speaker 13: about how did this happen. I think they see we've

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Speaker 13: got to respond and be seen to be really transparent.

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Speaker 2: This isn't a criticism, but having had a look at

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Speaker 2: the report, it strikes me as one of those reports

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Speaker 2: that by and large nothing was wrong with the appointment,

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Speaker 2: but they've come up or drummed up a few new

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Speaker 2: ideas just so they can say, well, here we go,

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Speaker 2: we come up with us. Is that fair or not?

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Speaker 13: I think it's a little unfair. I mean, they did

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Speaker 13: raise very valid points where we could improve. We embrace

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Speaker 13: those straight away. We've modified our whole practices now, and

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Speaker 13: you know, we're really confident that we would have detected

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Speaker 13: this had we had the right information from the right people.

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Speaker 13: The IPCA report clearly shows we didn't get everything we

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Speaker 13: legitimately expected right.

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Speaker 2: But having said that, I mean, in each is this

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Speaker 2: specific to a certain senior level of public service appointment?

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Speaker 2: Because how forensic do you want to go? Where's the line?

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Speaker 13: Well, this is very specific for the statutory deputy commissioners.

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Speaker 13: But we have also strengthened our primity checks on all employees.

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Speaker 13: It's fundamental to public confidence that they can trust the

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Speaker 13: people who occupy key positions, and in this situation we

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Speaker 13: could have done better. We acknowledge it, and we have

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Speaker 13: done much better in the recent appointment.

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Speaker 2: Generally though, it was a solid process, wasn't it?

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Speaker 12: It was? It was, But we're a learning organization.

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Speaker 13: The whole public sector needs to continue to learn, modify

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Speaker 13: and innovate. This is a very good example. We live

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Speaker 13: in a really strange world where we can have people

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Speaker 13: with alternative lives as mister mc skimming had. He hid

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Speaker 13: that from everybody, including his family, his employer and us.

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Speaker 13: We have to avoid that.

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Speaker 12: Again.

657
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Speaker 2: The problem with mc skimming was he was, for reasons

658
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Speaker 2: best known to himself, active on you know, the company's computer.

659
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Speaker 2: If he's not, what do you do with that? I mean,

660
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: you know you've got a weirdo. But he's a weirdo

661
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: at home. Does that make him no good at the job?

662
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Speaker 12: It raises questions on character.

663
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Speaker 13: If people have that sort of behavior as part of

664
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Speaker 13: their normal life, that raises questions on my mind, And

665
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Speaker 13: I think in the questions in the minds of many others.

666
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Speaker 13: We have to avoid that to the best of our ability.

667
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Speaker 13: I'm interested that FDI, for instance, have light detectors. I'm

668
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 13: not suggesting that, but that is the level of forensic inquiry.

669
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Speaker 12: That's required for certain.

670
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Speaker 13: People who hold positions in public office.

671
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Speaker 2: Flip side of that is a recruitment issue, isn't it.

672
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: Potentially it is.

673
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Speaker 13: It is because people are saying, well, you know, where's

674
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Speaker 13: the boundary between.

675
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Speaker 12: My private life?

676
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 13: Fully respect that, but we need to make people really clear.

677
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Speaker 13: The obligation is on them to keep us informed when

678
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Speaker 13: there are issues that we need to know about.

679
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Speaker 2: There's sort of three things here, correct me if I'm wrong.

680
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: There's his online activity which has a legal implication, his

681
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: relationship activity which is not illegal. And I don't know

682
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Speaker 2: what you call it, the cost or aspect of it

683
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Speaker 2: where we're all mates and we look after each other.

684
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Speaker 2: I mean, is that fair?

685
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Speaker 13: It is fair, And I've got to work through all

686
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 13: of those. It's a matter of public record.

687
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Speaker 12: I'm in an employment.

688
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Speaker 13: Process with Andy Coster at the moment. I want to

689
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Speaker 13: get through that as quickly as I can, but I

690
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Speaker 13: am bound by a legal process and my obligations as

691
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Speaker 13: a good employer.

692
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Speaker 2: So how many questions should I ask you on cost?

693
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: And you're going to say I can't say anything.

694
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Speaker 13: That probably covers it, and I know that it's frustrating,

695
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 13: but I Am not going to create a technical foul.

696
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Speaker 2: Can I ask you as a general concept, because I'm

697
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: this is a genuine question that I'm interested in. If

698
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Speaker 2: you are in a job and you've done nothing wrong

699
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: in your new job, can you exit a person with

700
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Speaker 2: them having done something poorly in a previous job?

701
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Speaker 13: I think the issue is if the information had been

702
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Speaker 13: available to you at the time of the appointment, would

703
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Speaker 13: it have been relevant? And that's at the heart of

704
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Speaker 13: this matter.

705
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Speaker 2: And is that legal? Is that a legal thing that

706
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: you can pin specifically on and say legal, We're in

707
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: the right here or not? We don't know that. Are

708
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: we making this up as we go along?

709
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 12: That's sort of part of the process that I'm unable

710
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Speaker 12: to comment on.

711
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, if he walks with a check, how

712
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: does that play? Do you reckon?

713
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Speaker 12: I think that would be very challenging.

714
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 13: That we are getting into the detail of the process

715
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Speaker 13: that I'm still locked into. And I know it's frustrating

716
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Speaker 13: that I really just can't comment on that.

717
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Speaker 2: No, I'm just trying to anticipate what's going to happen

718
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: because I'm just I genuinely can't work out why a

719
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Speaker 2: person who hasn't done anything wrong in his new job

720
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: would be exited without a check given who is employment

721
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Speaker 2: has done nothing wrong.

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Speaker 13: That's an opinion which I understand. There is a lot

723
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Speaker 13: of other opinion that suggests otherwise based on the messaging.

724
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Speaker 12: That I'm getting from the public.

725
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Speaker 13: Right, So I'll just navigate my way through that. I'll

726
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Speaker 13: do it as quickly as I can, and a little

727
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 13: bit it will withstand third party scrutinally, that is the

728
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Speaker 13: test for me.

729
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Speaker 2: What's the timeframe on all this?

730
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Speaker 13: Roughly, I think it needs to be done as soon

731
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Speaker 13: as practicable. It's not in anyone's interest for this to

732
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 13: be hanging. It's uncertainty. I value certainty, and so I

733
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Speaker 13: will be giving it my absolute highest priority to get

734
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Speaker 13: this done.

735
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Speaker 12: And then I'm happy to talk further with you.

736
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Speaker 2: You're an experienced operator. Have you got theory as to

737
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 2: what it is about cops that we've been here before

738
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Speaker 2: and we may well be here again.

739
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Speaker 13: What happens, well, I think the actions that have been

740
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Speaker 13: announced to bring in sort of an inspector general.

741
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Speaker 12: Type thing are critical.

742
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Speaker 13: This is sort of the second time in my career

743
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 13: that this has happened.

744
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Speaker 12: It's not the third.

745
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Speaker 13: The police are one of the most important institutions of

746
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 13: the state that they have to be above approach.

747
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Speaker 12: This report highlights that they aren't.

748
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Speaker 13: I think that's to the detriment of all the serving

749
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Speaker 13: officers who every day are giving their best for the country.

750
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Speaker 2: Exactly well, so appreciated very much to Brian Rods, who's

751
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: the road who's the Public Service Commissioner?

752
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: Thirteen Past the High asking Breakfast full show podcast on iHeartRadio,

753
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: oh it by News Talks.

754
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Speaker 2: That'd be tell you what looking forward to talking to

755
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Speaker 2: Simon Brown Shortley. It's a couple of idiotic things. One

756
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: of this three month script thing that's been transferred to

757
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: twelve months apart from the pharmacist and the doctor missing

758
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: out on script fees. Of course, I think this might

759
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 2: have been an admitting thing the whole way along, but anyway,

760
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: they've changed the law on that as of yesterday. And

761
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Speaker 2: the other thing, you r, I realized we didn't have

762
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Speaker 2: medical conferences in this country in case the medical conference

763
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Speaker 2: talked about certain pills and potions that we didn't have

764
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Speaker 2: in the country, and so they were so sort of

765
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Speaker 2: suspicious of this activity that we missed out. Lord knows

766
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Speaker 2: how many millions of dollars in conferences, And all of

767
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 2: a sudden, because we're changing the law, conferences are lining

768
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Speaker 2: up left, right and center. So they've fixed a problem.

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Speaker 2: Strange a anyway, more shortly, seventeen pasts now positive news

770
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Speaker 2: in what really is that this water care scandal north

771
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Speaker 2: of Auckland, If you haven't followed, it is a disgrace.

772
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: So the Auckland, the oyster farmers have had their water

773
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Speaker 2: polluted and basically their business is destroyed. Finally, we've got

774
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Speaker 2: to a million dollars in compo. The million dollars is

775
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Speaker 2: being split among ten people, so it's on hundred thousand

776
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Speaker 2: dollars apiece. Tom Walters is the owner of metakana Or

777
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Speaker 2: And as with us, Tom, Morning, Morning, Mike. Are we

778
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: feeling better because of this?

779
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 14: We're feeling relieved, and it's only a start that relief.

780
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 14: More than it's better.

781
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: If they could write a check to fix your problem

782
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: because of the issues they've created for you. What size

783
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: would that check be.

784
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Speaker 14: Much larger than what we've received. But this is just

785
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Speaker 14: for the event that happened two weeks ago. It's not

786
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Speaker 14: for what's happened throughout.

787
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Speaker 2: The year, which is the interesting thing. Just to bring

788
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: the rest of the country up to speed. What happened

789
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: the other day there was a power surgeon. It was

790
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: a cockup, and they know it's a cock up, and

791
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: everyone knows it's their faults. So they're fixing that. But

792
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: the ongoing thing that got us here in the first place,

793
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Speaker 2: their ongoing spill, it is different because it wasn't a cockup.

794
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Speaker 2: It was just they don't have the equipment or it's

795
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Speaker 2: old or whatever. So does that part get resolved at

796
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Speaker 2: all or not?

797
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Speaker 14: That part is still unresolved. And this is only for

798
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 14: this still a couple of weeks ago, which was a

799
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Speaker 14: dry weather event, not a wet weather event.

800
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So is it their fault in a wet weather

801
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: event that they don't have the things that prevent it

802
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: from spilling into the water and ruining your business or not?

803
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 14: They don't think so. In that regard. It's more a

804
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 14: factor of growth and infrastructure not catching up to that growth.

805
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that they'll get there. Don't they with

806
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: infrastructure Eventually and there is a fix in the pipeline,

807
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: no pun intended.

808
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, eventually end of next year or the year after,

809
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 14: everything should be aoka and ready to go for the area.

810
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: So does that sign of the equation ever get fixed?

811
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: Do you think? Or are you going to be banging

812
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: your head against a wall? And this is just a

813
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: one off because of the power surge.

814
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 14: This is a one off because of the power surge,

815
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Speaker 14: and we will be experiencing more wet weather sewage events

816
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Speaker 14: until the bigger pipe goes through, Walkware.

817
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Speaker 2: Does anyone care about this? Is anyone on your side?

818
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Speaker 14: I mean obviously locals, absolutely absolutely, there's a lot of community.

819
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Speaker 2: Of course, of course the community is behind you, Tom,

820
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Speaker 2: but I'm talking about anyone with any you know, the

821
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Speaker 2: government wins.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, We've had a lot of support from the Undersecretary

823
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Speaker 14: of Oceans and Fisheries Jimmy Marcroft. We've had meetings with

824
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 14: Shane Jones, governmental wives that they're trying to do the

825
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 14: best they can to put pressure upon water Care and

826
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Speaker 14: Auckland Council. There seems to be a lot of things

827
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Speaker 14: that are happening, but it just takes a lot of time,

828
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 14: But yeah, it's an ongoing thing for the wet weather events.

829
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Speaker 14: This one's different.

830
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Speaker 2: Are water care bastards or are they just people who

831
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Speaker 2: don't have the equipment?

832
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Speaker 14: Well, I mean they are playing catch up due to

833
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 14: the growth and infrastructure that applicts our area and country

834
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 14: in general. Not that their country wide, but they have

835
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 14: certainly vexed us this year. But in this regards we

836
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 14: are at least have come on the front foot and

837
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Speaker 14: helped us and said they would. And it's only a start.

838
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Speaker 14: There'll be a lot of setter. They will cont by

839
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Speaker 14: our losses going forward. See what more they can do

840
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Speaker 14: due to this spill.

841
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: Well, all we can do is wish you the best time.

842
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: I feel bad for you Tom Walters, who's one of

843
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: a number of oyster farmers in that particular part of

844
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: the world who's just literally every time it rains because

845
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: the infrastructure doesn't cope, watches the water polluted and the

846
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: oyster is a dead in council. And that's the end

847
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Speaker 2: of that. Seven twenty one.

848
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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

849
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850
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Speaker 2: It is seven twenty three John Grisham by the way

851
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Speaker 2: back with us after write a clock looking forward to

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Speaker 2: their ketch up by the way, in America at the moment,

853
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of talk about the K, the

854
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: K shaped economy, right. Car dealers are seeing it. If

855
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: you've got a good, safe job, good income, you're in

856
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: the market's investing in AI before it all pops. Of course,

857
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: you're feeling good. You're up, Yeah, you're up. Well, you're

858
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: the up part of the K. So you're buying a

859
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Speaker 2: flesh new car with carbon ad ons and all that

860
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. Now, if you've been laid off, we're

861
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: about to be by a robot. You hate II AI

862
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: are because you never ended enough to buy stock in

863
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: the first place, and your snap payment hasn't come through

864
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: because of the shutdown. You're holding onto your car, not

865
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: to mention sweating making ends meet. You're the downward part

866
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 2: of the K. You see what I'm saying here. So

867
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Speaker 2: it looks like we may have a similar story here

868
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: in this country because the recruiters, Robert Walters are already

869
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: warning of the increased cost of labor in the recovery.

870
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: Our recovery are because people with the skills that are

871
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: going to be in demand, they can charge more. Why

872
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: are because we're shorter of them. Why are because the

873
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: others in Australia. So in ideal times, as an economy recovers,

874
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: you hoover up those who have lost their jobs when

875
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: the times were tight. So this time, anyone who was

876
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: marketable left the country, and what we have, sadly, are

877
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: a group of people who, it would appear or not

878
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: available to take part as growth returns. I mean, yes,

879
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: there are plenty of unemployed five point three percent, not

880
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: to mention a growing number of the so called underutilized.

881
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: But as far as skills go, that's where we have

882
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: an issue. Not everywhere and not everyone, of course, but

883
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: it is becoming increasingly obvious that there are too many underskilled,

884
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: underqualified people in this country. And that is, sadly what

885
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: eventuates when you have a system that spits kids out

886
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: at fifteen or sixteen or seventeen without a pathway to success.

887
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: When times are good, any number of people get swept

888
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: up for bits and pieces type jobs. Lots of employers

889
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: can afford to fork out on those sort of jobs,

890
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: but they're the first to go, of course, and when

891
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the talent bails, the ones without the

892
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: skills aren't the ones to fill the growth areas. Hence,

893
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: we will once again rely on imported labor, which this

894
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: time around may or may not be available to us,

895
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: depending on whether they still see us as a cool

896
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: place to be. If they don't, numbers would suggest they aren't.

897
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: That weighs on recovery and the speed of which we

898
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: pick up. Robert Walter seems to suggest this is going

899
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: to be an issue. But for those who stayed, and

900
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: if you've got the skills, you'll be in a new

901
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: car before you know it. Asking like, surely the level

902
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: of dishonesty in obtaining the new job would come into

903
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: play well to play Devil's advocate. What dishonesty? What are

904
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: you talking about? So my understanding is Coster doesn't think

905
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: he's done anything wrong. He simply believed mc skimming. When

906
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: MC skimming said there's nothing to see here, Cost believed them.

907
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: So that's not dishonest. That's just a misinterpretation of what

908
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: was going on. Now, you can go down the rabbit

909
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: hole of the investigation the way they treated the woman

910
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: until you blew in the face. But nevertheless, if you

911
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: don't believe you've done anything wrong and you apply for

912
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: your new job, and you get a new job and

913
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: you've done nothing wrong in your new job, how do

914
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: they exit you without a check? And that is where

915
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: lawyers come And Mike, you're always saying that people who

916
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: work from home are taking the mickey. I had a

917
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: role that required me to work from home, and the

918
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: reality is you're always at work and you work more,

919
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: not less. Modern open plan workspaces are also terrible for productivity,

920
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: as they're noisy and full of distractions. On that clear

921
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: you're right, And most of the time when I talk

922
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: about working from home, I'm taking the mickey. Don't take

923
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: me seriously. Half of what I say these days is

924
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, made up on the spot, just

925
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: to rack you up. I mean, I work from home

926
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: most days for goodness sake. I go home and do

927
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: a lot of work from home. So whataway I know?

928
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: And I do the hot desking thing. If I could

929
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: change the world, I would ban first thing when I

930
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: run the country. And don't think that's far away. When

931
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: I run the country, the first thing I'm going to

932
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: ban a isshgh disking. It's going to be my first

933
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: piece of legislation. There will be no more hot desking.

934
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Speaker 3: Is this you announcing the mic Hosking Hot Death Party

935
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: for next year's election.

936
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: It's early days, Glenn. You don't want to pick too soon.

937
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: You don't want to fizz people up too soon before

938
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Speaker 2: the campaign. Stand by in April or May. That could

939
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Speaker 2: be an announcement coming. You never know, Simming and Brown

940
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: Health Minister, some good new law to tell you about

941
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Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments after the news.

942
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Speaker 1: Credible, compelling. The breakfast show you can't miss. It's the

943
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing real estate

944
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: differently since nineteen seventy three, news talks had been.

945
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: John christ Back eight o'clock Betty will have a bit

946
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 2: of wine chat before eight meantime at twenty three minutes

947
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: away from it to the Health Department where the law

948
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Speaker 2: allowing faster approval of medicines by far makers passed. Also

949
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: twelve months scripts will become a thing as off February

950
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: the farmac law and by the way, also allows medical

951
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: conferences to advertise yet to be approved medicines. That was

952
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing ever anyway, Simmy and Brown is the

953
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: Health Minister and with us morning, good morning conference thing.

954
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: How was that ever? A thing.

955
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 15: Oh look, it's a very weird piece of legislation. When

956
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 15: we found out about it, we asked the officials whether

957
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 15: they heard of Google and whether or not some doctors

958
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 15: might use Google to actually work out what drugs might

959
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 15: be available in other countries. And of course it made

960
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 15: absolutely no sense that medical conferences were not able to

961
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 15: advertise non approved medicines. And so we've changed the law.

962
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 15: David Seymour and I worked together. We've changed the law

963
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 15: and now we've got medical conferences coming to New Zealand

964
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 15: which otherwise would have been in Australia, which is fantastic

965
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 15: for our economy.

966
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: So that's sort of a tourism move, isn't it, Because

967
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: conferences didn't come because of that very rule. I mean,

968
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: what do you reckon we've missed out on over the years.

969
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: It must be tens of millions of dollars.

970
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 15: Oh, it would be tens of millions of dollars. I

971
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 15: mean two conferences next year, three three hundred people combined

972
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 15: are coming to New Zealand, which is fantastic for Auckland,

973
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 15: fantastic for New Zealand. But if you add that up

974
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 15: over many years, that would be you know, thousands less

975
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 15: thousands of fewer visitors coming to New Zealand spending money

976
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 15: in hotels and restaurants and accommodation and lo and behold,

977
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 15: it's all because they they weren't able to advertise medicines

978
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 15: which may be approved in other countries. And as I said,

979
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 15: Google is available free.

980
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: Of charge to everybody. It's nuts the far maake approval thing.

981
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: So in other words, if it's approved in one of

982
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: our close jurisdictions, we can do it here. That's another

983
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not pissing in your pocket to put

984
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: it bluntly, but I mean that's another painfully obvious thing,

985
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: isn't it.

986
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

987
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And again so we're working with David Seymour and

988
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 15: this is part of our coalition agreement to make sure

989
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 15: that we could literally speed up the approval of these

990
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 15: of drugs. So we do it for cars, so you know,

991
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 15: if a car is approved in a different jurisdiction, we

992
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 15: allow that car to be recognized here in New Zealand.

993
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 15: We don't go into a complete safety check all over.

994
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 12: Again.

995
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 15: You know, it's about the same with medicine. So if

996
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 15: it's improved and a comparable jurisdiction or two other comparable jurisdictions.

997
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 15: It can then be approved in the thirty days by

998
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 15: med Safe here in US UK. So it's about making

999
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 15: medicines more available to New Zealanders faster, which is what

1000
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Speaker 15: we want.

1001
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: What was their pushback argument, What was it? They were

1002
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: arguing that we're so special, so unique, so different, they

1003
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: needed to do their own investigation.

1004
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 15: Well, I think it's partially that, you know, these laws

1005
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 15: haven't been looked at for a long period of time,

1006
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 15: so they'll put back it. They'll put in place in

1007
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 15: a period of time when these approval processes weren't or

1008
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 15: the information shearing may not have been as easy. But ultimately,

1009
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 15: you know, through COVID, we saw how this really slowed

1010
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 15: down approvals for critical medicines. You know, we campaigned on

1011
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 15: that at the last election part of our coalition agreement.

1012
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 15: We've now delivered it.

1013
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: Okay, the twelve month script. How much of this has

1014
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: always been about I mean, the doctor would argue, well,

1015
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: on you never know, you might be growing another leg.

1016
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: But how much of it's really about the admin fee

1017
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: for the pharmacist and the script fee for the doctor.

1018
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 15: Well, I think I mean, ultimately this will save patients

1019
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 15: up to one hundred and five dollars a year by

1020
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 15: doctors being able to make up twelve months prescriptions, it

1021
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 15: will still be the doctor's discretion, so depending on the

1022
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 15: condition of the patient. But if think about long term

1023
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 15: conditions such as asthma and other managing diabetes, other things

1024
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 15: which patients are having to go back every three months

1025
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 15: to their GP, that will free up time with the GP.

1026
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 15: They're able to then see other patients during that time.

1027
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 15: So ultimately it's about putting patients first, making it easier

1028
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 15: for them to get the medicines they need, and ultimately,

1029
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 15: if they've got more access to medicines, we keep people

1030
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 15: healthy in the community and not turning up to a hospital.

1031
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: How much pushback have you had from the pharmacists and

1032
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: the doctors who aren't getting them money because they're not

1033
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: writing scripts anymore.

1034
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 15: I mean, I think there's a variety of views in

1035
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 15: both of those sectors in terms of their their view.

1036
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 15: I think the reality is that our doctors are in

1037
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 15: an enormous amount of pressure and a lot of they're

1038
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 15: incredibly busy. We know how long it takes people to

1039
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 15: get appointments, which is a big issue that we're addressing.

1040
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 15: But ultimately, this will free up the ability for them

1041
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 15: to see other patients.

1042
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: So I had Brian Roschan before and I didn't ask

1043
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: him because I didn't have time. Where are we at

1044
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: with the industry election?

1045
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 15: So negotiations are ongoing, So there.

1046
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: Are negotiations, active negotiations. People are around the table.

1047
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 15: There are negotiations underway between the government and the unions

1048
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 15: in terms of the senior doctors. That is before I

1049
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 15: think the employment courts due to the fact that Health

1050
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 15: New Zealand has applied to fix the terms of that agreement.

1051
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: Okay, nice to talk, preciate it very much, Symy and

1052
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: Brown Health Minister. Does any of that that you've just heard,

1053
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: whether you were aware of it or not, just explain

1054
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 2: to me. I mean, none of that's going to save

1055
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: them if they're going to have trouble next year in

1056
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: the election. Now you're not changing a bout because of that,

1057
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: But is that not just good basic common sense. They've

1058
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: rectified a problem that really should have been rectified. Does

1059
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: anyone actually disagree with any of what you just heard?

1060
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Speaker 1: Eighteen to two The Vike asking Breakfast Fulls show those

1061
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio Power by the News Talks It be.

1062
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: Seven forty five Mike caring for the no brainer argument

1063
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: to the fast track pharmaceutical approvals of two other like

1064
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 2: minded countries except use and use them. Could a similar

1065
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: approach be taken to recognizing foreign qualifications? I suspect we

1066
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: have a lot of well qualified uber drivers administrative syy.

1067
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Speaker 2: What an excellent point, What a fantastic point, My great

1068
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 2: hope one day. It probably won't be this year. But

1069
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: we're loosely involved in a situation at the moment. It

1070
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Speaker 2: involves a person who was going to come to the country,

1071
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Speaker 2: very highly qualified person, very valued person who was going

1072
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Speaker 2: to come to the country, but now isn't because of

1073
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: ridiculous laws and the council involved in this particular area

1074
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: being a bunch of pratts, And we've got several people

1075
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Speaker 2: onto it, and it may or may not resolve itself.

1076
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: If it does, I'll be able to tell you about it.

1077
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 2: But that's it's exactly that sort of scenario. We're highly

1078
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: qualified people turn up in the country, but because there's

1079
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of old fashioned people sitting on a committee

1080
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: somewhere going, oh, it's not long we do it here.

1081
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: You're we're special. You'll need to completely reach anyway, I'll

1082
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: come back to that hopefully another day, another time. More

1083
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Speaker 2: importantly for now is my favorite ACO director in the world,

1084
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: Mike Burgess. So he's the spy of BOSS in Australia.

1085
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: The reason I like him, and I mentioned at Steve

1086
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: Price the other day, is he seems to be of

1087
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: a mind to tell people what's going on. We are

1088
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 2: sort of that way these days, but we haven't always been.

1089
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: So the Sis, which do the same thing as ACO here,

1090
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 2: they I don't know what was a decade or so back.

1091
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: Suddenly they woke up one morning and decided to be

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Speaker 2: slightly more public than they used to be. But they're

1093
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: nowhere near as public as Burgess is. So Burgess is

1094
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: out there. Yesterday he warned a nation state, which implies

1095
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: China has made multiple sophisticated attempts to hack critical infrastructure

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00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: across five as countries, Which is why I raise it

1097
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: with you. We are one of the Firebeyes countries. I

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00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: ask you, where's the coverage of the story. Why have

1099
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 2: you not seen this anywhere in this country apart from here.

1100
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 2: This reconnaissance aggressively maps systems to maintain persistent, undetected access

1101
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: for potential sabotage at a time of their choosing. I've

1102
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: previously said we're getting closer to the threshold for high

1103
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 2: impact sabotage. I agret to reform you. Where they are

1104
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: now and when they've penetrated your networks, they actively and

1105
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: aggressively map your systems and seek to maintain persistent, undetected

1106
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: access that enables them to conduct sabotage at a time

1107
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: and moment of their choosing. Now, given we're a five

1108
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: eyes country and he's warning us of this, two things

1109
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: for you. One, obviously, the first question I've just asked,

1110
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: where is this in the media? Why isn't it being covered?

1111
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 12: Two?

1112
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: How is it the head of ACO in Australia is

1113
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: happy to turn up and tell the world about this.

1114
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: Where's Hampton? Who's the head of the sis? Does he

1115
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: disagree with Burgess or of Burgess's Why isn't Hapton going? Yeah,

1116
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: he's right and we should all be concerned. Where is he?

1117
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: Where's he? Whar's the sis? Where's the media in the story?

1118
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: Or as I suspect, like so many things in this country,

1119
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: are we all fast asleep and we don't really care

1120
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: about this until it's all too late. Eleven away from eight, the.

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Speaker 1: Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Defender and news Togs Dead b.

1122
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: Don Grisham a few moments away, nine minutes away from it,

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00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: got a new promotional vehicle for our rockstar wine. This

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00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: is Serving on twenty twenty seven. It's going to celebrate

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00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 2: the innovation and diversity of our most iconic wine. Global

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00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: industry leaders are coming. We've got trade influencers going to

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00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: hit Marlborough. This is February of next year. Natalie Christiansen,

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00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: is this saving Blanc or the serving you on twenty

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00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: twenty seven? Chair? And as with us, Natalie.

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00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 16: Morning, Good morning, Mike, how are you?

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00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm extremely well what brought this about? Because I would

1132
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: have thought of if something doesn't need promotion because it's

1133
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: already so successful, it would be serving you on Blanc.

1134
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 16: Well, we love celebrating it. And yes, obviously a very

1135
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 16: popular global wine that there's lots to talk about, and

1136
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 16: we want to get that word spread far and white,

1137
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 16: and do when you.

1138
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: Say there's lots to talk about, what is there to

1139
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: talk about? It's good, it's crisp, it's available worldwide, it's

1140
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: an award winning global rock star. What else can you

1141
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: tell me, well, I.

1142
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 16: Think there's a lot more depth to Sauvignon that a

1143
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 16: lot of people don't know about. So yeah, we want

1144
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 16: to really share like the subregional story and the different

1145
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 16: characters of Sauvignon that you can get from different parts

1146
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 16: of New Zealand. And we'll be yeah, bringing over tea

1147
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 16: trade and influencers to really sort of talk about the

1148
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 16: interceptions out in the world.

1149
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: When you say the influencers, are these a TikTok seventeen

1150
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 2: year olds or are these proper wine officionados, Well.

1151
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 16: Actually we're going to engage in a mix of both.

1152
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 16: So we would definitely have traditional wine media out, but

1153
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 16: we also want to engage in the in the younger generation.

1154
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 16: So I don't know if you guys follow man can

1155
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 16: cut to New Zealand. So he is currently up for

1156
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 16: New don Creator of the Year. But people like that

1157
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 16: we're talking to too, so people have got global reach,

1158
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 16: you know, talking to different audiences because we just don't

1159
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 16: want global media. We just don't want to be sort

1160
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 16: of in a talking in a little shoe box like

1161
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 16: we want to talk to the world. So yeah, we

1162
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 16: want to engage in all sorts of all sorts of media.

1163
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 2: Where are we at? Are we at the point where

1164
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 2: we're looking to take talk to the wine drinker and

1165
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: go don't forget New Zealand because part of the issue

1166
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: is globally, alcohol sales are down, aren't they at least

1167
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: some of the world has moved on in a way.

1168
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 2: Are no longer drinkers?

1169
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 16: Yes, that's correct. But in saying that, so, last year

1170
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 16: New Zealand wine experts were actually up by five percent.

1171
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 16: So we seem to be in a lucky position, especially

1172
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 16: with sauvignon blanc, because globally wine is down consumption, but

1173
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 16: when people are drinking, they are drinking crisper bright white.

1174
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 16: So it's for now we're in a good position. But

1175
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 16: we want to maintain that.

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00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: Well, what that's about is quality. Of course, people there

1177
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: will always be a market, Natalie for quality. Want their

1178
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: quantity is one thing, but quality cannot be quality, can you?

1179
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 16: That's true, very very very true.

1180
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 2: Yes, which is what And also I would argue, correct

1181
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, but I would argue if you

1182
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 2: if you're talking about just pure dollars for a glass

1183
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: of wine, there'd be no other grape. I'm just trying

1184
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: to think there'll be no other grape that's bang for

1185
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: buck as good as Servingyonka is there. I mean, you'd

1186
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: pay way more for a good glass of red versus the.

1187
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 16: Serving Young That's totally true. So Servanion Blanc definitely delivers

1188
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 16: above above its or punches above its weight. It's a

1189
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 16: variety that's so expressive and is incredibly good value for money.

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00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 16: And saying that, yeah, I think there is room for

1191
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 16: some sort of higher price points, like we're Servon Blonk

1192
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 16: is really sort of selling well as in sort of

1193
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 16: the higher tiers. There's definitely growth in that kind of

1194
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 16: higher price point tier. So wines that have got a

1195
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 16: story of tua so single site locations, some may have

1196
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 16: some alternative wine making message, so a little bit of

1197
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 16: barrel cement. So there's definitely a movement in that top

1198
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 16: space and that sort of high price point bracket too.

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Speaker 2: Super exciting. Natalie go Well in February appreciate it very much.

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00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: So that's sewing On twenty twenty seven in Marlborough and

1201
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: when they took it there also, I'm glad they're including

1202
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: places like Hawksbay because the hawks Bay Servinyon. Of course,

1203
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: if you've drunk it is completely different from a Marlborough

1204
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: serving on blancs So that tuwa is an interesting story

1205
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: four minutes away from eight asking the pole aren't yesterday?

1206
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 7: Now?

1207
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 2: Am I being picky here? But the coverage of the

1208
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: pole that came out yesterday, this is the Taxpayers Union

1209
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: career pole. If you miss the numbers, Labors up a

1210
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: little bit, Nationals up a little bit, but that came

1211
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: at the expense for labor of the Greens who fell

1212
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: New Zealand first fell, So you know, in other words,

1213
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: who is there a change of government?

1214
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 6: Know?

1215
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: So nothing actually happened. And I would argue when I

1216
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: look at these career poles, I don't know what their

1217
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: methodology is, but I see them going up and down

1218
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: too much on any given month. If you look at

1219
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: a party like the Greens at nine percent, there's no

1220
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: way in the world you can tell me they've lost

1221
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: three I mean, that's a third of their support gone.

1222
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: It just doesn't work. I just don't believe the numbers.

1223
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: But the point was in the coverage is is that

1224
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: they link it or tried to link it. Labour's increased

1225
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: to the capital gains tax. Now as far as I know,

1226
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: correct me. If I'm wrong. There was nothing in the

1227
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: poll that suggests do you support labor now because of

1228
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: the capital gains tax announcement? No question was asked. I

1229
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 2: just saw labor going up. So they've taken two dots

1230
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: and joined them together. And I don't think that's fair

1231
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's accurate. You don't know that

1232
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: labor went up because of the capital gains tax. They

1233
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: might just have gone up because the poll last time

1234
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: was wrong and it's corrected itself. And unless you ask

1235
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: a question specifically about a policy, you can't correlate the

1236
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: policy to the overall number.

1237
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 11: Can you?

1238
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: Or is that me and the weeds being weird again?

1239
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: John Grisham, It'll be different when I launched my political party.

1240
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: John Grisham is back on the program. In a couple

1241
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: of moments here at News Talks, there'd been news this.

1242
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: Next thing, asking the questions others won't the mic asking

1243
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: breakfast with a Vita, Retirement Communities, Life your Way News.

1244
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: It is seven pass right time for a catch up

1245
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: with one of our old mates. John Grishap was last

1246
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: we us on a project where he helped people wrongly

1247
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: convicted that you may remember. Now he's back in the

1248
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: world of fiction, and another first day's in the business,

1249
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 2: this time of ab Who've done it? This is the Widow.

1250
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: It's out now and John Grisham is well us morning.

1251
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: Happy to be here mate, good to seeing you again,

1252
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: and to you too. And I don't want to make

1253
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: it too personal, but last time we talked, you were

1254
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: heading towards a big birthday and you said, well, maybe

1255
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 2: it'll happen, maybe it won't. My wife will put it

1256
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: on old turn up. Whatever. Did anything happen?

1257
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 7: No, we had a fancy dinner with about twenty friends

1258
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 7: and it was low key and most folks behaved and

1259
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 7: we had good food and good wine. So I turned seventy.

1260
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: Well, what more can you ask in life? Are you

1261
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: grateful in moments like that? Given all your success?

1262
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 7: I'm grateful every day. Every day is another blessing. You're

1263
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 7: lucky to be here. You know, when you turn seventy,

1264
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 7: you realize you're getting older, but you also sadly realize

1265
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 7: you're losing so many people along the way, and just

1266
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 7: thankful for being here.

1267
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: Man today, Yeah, but you look healthy and well well,

1268
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: so far, so good.

1269
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 12: So do you.

1270
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: Tell me about the widow? And so I was watching

1271
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: one of the interviews you did on the American networks.

1272
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this. You start at the end. Is

1273
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: that how it works? You've got your conclusion before you

1274
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: go back.

1275
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 7: Almost always. I learned the hard ware years ago with

1276
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 7: a book. Asked my first novel, I wasn't sure how

1277
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 7: to end the book, and so you keep writing and

1278
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 7: you can't get to the end, and you box yourself

1279
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 7: on a corner. And writers do it all the time.

1280
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 7: I said, I'm not going to waste time like that.

1281
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 7: I'm going to know the ending when I start. And

1282
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 7: if you know the ending is hard to get lost.

1283
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So you had an ending and you wrote the story,

1284
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: but then your wife comes in, your publishers coming. I

1285
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: also saw, now i've heard two stories here. You had

1286
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: an ending you liked, but then your wife said you

1287
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: didn't like it. But then I saw you say I

1288
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: had an ending I wasn't too sure about, and my

1289
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: wife said she didn't like it.

1290
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how much I liked it. Was it

1291
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 7: was risky times. I've done endings that are pretty risky

1292
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 7: and it's not what the reader expects, which I kind

1293
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 7: of like. But it's you know this one was just

1294
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 7: it just didn't work. And my wife said, hey, buddy,

1295
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 7: this is not gonna work. And I listened to her.

1296
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay, times, do you listen to her because she knows

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Speaker 2: what she's talking about, or she's always right, or you

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Speaker 2: need some sort of second opinion from the publisher or.

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Speaker 7: I would never say she's always right. You can't do

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Speaker 7: it in a happy marriage. You can you can never

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Speaker 7: admit that the other person's always right. She's usually right right.

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Speaker 7: And so she didn't like the ending. I sent it

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Speaker 7: to my publisher and to my editor in New York

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Speaker 7: and they agreed and it went. All three of them

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Speaker 7: line up against me. I can't argue, so I just

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Speaker 7: changed the ending. I kept writing. I wrote twenty five

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Speaker 7: thousand more words in the month of January under the

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Speaker 7: gun to get it finished, and it worked out fine.

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Speaker 2: So okay, so two parts out of that when somebody said,

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Speaker 2: given who you are, I don't like that, is that

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Speaker 2: is that popping an ego?

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Speaker 7: No, I still listen to people. I think it's important

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Speaker 7: to listen to people you trust. I don't care where

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Speaker 7: you are in life. You never get too big to

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Speaker 7: where you you don't listen to people you trust. And

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Speaker 7: I've always listened to my wife and my agent and

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Speaker 7: my editor and several times, not just this, but a

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Speaker 7: lot of things, uh, a lot of stories. I write

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Speaker 7: a lot of op ed pieces, a lot of magazine articles,

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Speaker 7: and my wife always reads them first, and she always

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Speaker 7: has comments. But you know, I value that input. And

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Speaker 7: I tell young writers you got to have somebody. You

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Speaker 7: gotta have a reader you trust, somebody who loves you

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Speaker 7: and wants to see you succeed, but he'll be brutally

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Speaker 7: honest with you. You got to have that in life.

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Speaker 2: And the second part of that question, when they said it,

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Speaker 2: did you see it or did it take some time?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 7: You know what I got? I got. I was under

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Speaker 7: the gun, which is good when you write suspense. It's

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Speaker 7: it's best to be under the gun, to be to

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Speaker 7: be nervous, to be to be working over time. And

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Speaker 7: I had I had an idea for good ending, an

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Speaker 7: the second ending. It worked out much better.

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Speaker 2: Right, And so as you would write, did it flow

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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand words? Did it just flow big time?

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Speaker 9: It was real.

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Speaker 7: That's a very fast paced. Twenty five thousand words in

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Speaker 7: one month is a lot. But it was January, you know,

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Speaker 7: the days are short, the weather's bad. January is my

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Speaker 7: favorite time to write, Yeah, because you know you can't

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Speaker 7: do anything out ofdoors January February, and so I start

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Speaker 7: a new book each year. Almost every year, I started

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Speaker 7: a book on January the first, with the goal of

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Speaker 7: finishing by July the first, because of those first three

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Speaker 7: months are great times to write.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about books these days. Do you know

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Speaker 2: who your audiences? Has it changed over the years? What

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Speaker 2: a sales like? Is it hardback? Is it soft back?

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Speaker 2: Is it electronic? Is the whole book market being up ended?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Great question, Mike, laugh and tell people I sold

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Speaker 7: twice as many books before the internet, back in the

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Speaker 7: nineteen nineties because, truthfully, because there were so many more

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Speaker 7: bookstores and there were so many more outlets, and that's

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Speaker 7: hurt publishing. But what's helped what's help publishing? Save publishing?

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Speaker 7: Or ebooks Because they're so popular and they're so inexpensive

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Speaker 7: to make in market, no returns, there's no shipping, no warehousing.

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Speaker 7: Publishers love them. We fight with publishers over the royalties,

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Speaker 7: but we fight publishers over everything. That's part of that

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Speaker 7: part of our profession. But e books have really been

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Speaker 7: to salvation for popular fiction. Yeah, it's all changed. It's

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Speaker 7: all changed. The mass market's disappearing. I've sold zillions of

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Speaker 7: mass market books and airports and bookstores and that's They're

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Speaker 7: about to be a thing of the past. But you know,

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Speaker 7: audio is huge now and e books are huge and

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Speaker 7: hard My sales are roughly one third hardbacks, one third

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Speaker 7: e books, and one third paperbacks. And that was unheard

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Speaker 7: of fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. Who do you write for the same people?

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Speaker 7: I write for myself because I know what has worked,

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Speaker 7: I know what I like, I know I know the

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Speaker 7: stories I want to tell, and so far those are

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Speaker 7: the stories people want to read. And after fifty books,

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Speaker 7: I feel very lucky to have so many faithful, loyal readers.

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Speaker 2: Still is in a joint each January.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I can't wait. It's just so much fun.

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Speaker 7: I have all these I have all these stories I

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Speaker 7: want to write about. When when you when you watch

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Speaker 7: lawyers and judges and courts and trials and appeals and

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Speaker 7: things like, the material is endless, The crime is endless.

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Speaker 7: Especially in this country, civil disputes are endless. We're very

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Speaker 7: little litigious people. We love to file lawsuits and hire lawyers,

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Speaker 7: and the and the stories go on forever. I can

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Speaker 7: write a thousand stories.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting a better.

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Speaker 9: Boy? I don't know.

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Speaker 7: That's a tough one to you can't answer that I

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Speaker 7: have not. I have not deliberately changed the writing style.

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Speaker 7: I changed from the first book, A Time to Kill

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Speaker 7: to the Firm the second book because the first book

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Speaker 7: was a very heavy, tense book and way too long,

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Speaker 7: and it didn't sell initially, and uh, I went for

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Speaker 7: something more accessible, more more popular, more readable. I wanted

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Speaker 7: a vast audience. I want a bigger audience. And then

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Speaker 7: so I'm still there. I still really I'm very much

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Speaker 7: aware of of people out there who read the books.

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Speaker 7: I want them to be satisfied. I want them to

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Speaker 7: lose sleep, call in late for work, skip lunch, whatever,

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Speaker 7: and to read the book. That's what I want the

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Speaker 7: page you.

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Speaker 2: To turn, all right, fair enough? I can believe that. Listen, Hey, John,

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Speaker 2: I got a text already. I've just finished reading The Widow.

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Speaker 2: It's a great read. Lots of read lots of your books.

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Speaker 2: This was one of the best, in my opinion. Great characters.

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Speaker 2: There you go, John Grisham more in a moment fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio

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Speaker 1: how It by News Talk Hippy.

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Speaker 2: He talks it me seventeen past day. John Grisham is back,

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Speaker 2: Witherson joining the catch up Now listen. We talked previously,

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Speaker 2: and I think I'm right saying you're not overly involved

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Speaker 2: in the television side of the equation. Right once you've

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Speaker 2: done your book. Somebody options that that's you out am.

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Speaker 2: I correct in saying that, yes, okay, so, but I

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Speaker 2: read Jason Bateman and Tom Holland are going to do

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Speaker 2: the partner. I mean, does that make any difference to you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I happen to be a big Jason Bateman fan,

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Speaker 2: so i'd be if I was you, I'd going, oh,

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Speaker 2: my lord, Jason Bateman, how cool is this?

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm a big fan of both of them. But

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Speaker 7: with film and TV, you don't believe anything anything until

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01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 7: they start filming. Well, I've had so many deals blow

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Speaker 7: up at the last moment. When they start filming, they're

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Speaker 7: spending big money and that's when something's going to happen.

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Speaker 7: So until they start filming the partner, I won't believe it.

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Speaker 7: I'm happy about it, hope it's good. I don't get involved.

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Speaker 2: Do you write for the television in any white shape

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Speaker 2: or film in any way, shape or form, or it

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Speaker 2: just happens to be that way, you know, it.

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Speaker 7: Just happens to be that way. I write a very

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Speaker 7: simple style, one scene after the other, without a whole

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01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 7: lot of backfieling or flashbacking or stuff. It's a very

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Speaker 7: simple direct style that has always appeal to filmmakers because

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Speaker 7: they're easy to adapt.

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Speaker 2: And so even though you don't involve yourself, does it

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Speaker 2: bother you how it looks when it gets to screen.

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Speaker 7: Back in the old days, Back in the good old days,

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Speaker 7: the early nineties, when we were doing movie after movie, huge,

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Speaker 7: huge movie after a huge movie, it was easy. I

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01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 7: saw the movies back then. I had nothing to do

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01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 7: with them. I got really lucky with Hollywood. There were

1441
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 7: big directors, big cast, big box office draws domestic and foreign.

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Speaker 7: We were printing money. Life was good. So I never

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Speaker 7: quibble with an ending or a change of character or whatever,

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01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 7: because the movies were working. And I've learned over the years,

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Speaker 7: just it's going to be something different. Sell it to

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Speaker 7: good people, smart people, stay out of the way, and

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Speaker 7: hope for the best, and so far I've been very lucky.

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Speaker 2: Do you think I don't want to get all nostalgic

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Speaker 2: about it, But when you say you're printing money in

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Speaker 2: the good old days, do you reckon they were the

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Speaker 2: good old days? I mean we might have lived through

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Speaker 2: the best of times in what you do or is

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Speaker 2: it just different?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it was better back then for big movies,

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 7: for big writers and big actors because the movies were bigger,

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Speaker 7: there were more of them. Now now there's so much television,

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Speaker 7: which we all enjoy, but as far as movies are concerned,

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01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 7: there aren't nearly as many big movies and big actors

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Speaker 7: and actresses as they're were thirty years ago. It's a

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 7: huge change. But you know, television has been great too

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Speaker 7: that it's been provided a lot of work and a

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Speaker 7: lot of money for writers, producers, directors, cast members, crew members.

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Speaker 7: It's a huge industry. So I can't say ones better

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Speaker 7: than listen. I got lucky. I had my pinnacle with

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Speaker 7: Hollywood thirty years ago, with great movies. I'm not sure

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Speaker 7: that's going to come back, although there are still deals

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Speaker 7: from option deals from movies that we make and that

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Speaker 7: we hope for the best.

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Speaker 2: So I'm optimistic, which brings us, of course, to the

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Speaker 2: great tech question of the a j Ai. You're involved legally,

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Speaker 2: open AIS all that sort of stuff. Do you sit

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Speaker 2: there fear full of your creativity and individuality?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because you don't know where it's going. We don't

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01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 7: know where it's going. There's some people who say that

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Speaker 7: in a few short years, publishers will not need writers.

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 7: AI is going to be so good that AI can

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Speaker 7: write a novel, a suspense novel, a mystery is better

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Speaker 7: and better than I can. I don't think that's going

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Speaker 7: to happen. As a consumer of books, I can't see

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Speaker 7: myself ever buying a book produced by AI. I want

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Speaker 7: to know the writer, I want to know the tone.

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Speaker 7: And AI can capture a lot, it's phenomenal. It can't

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01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 7: can't always capture the emotion and drama of the human beings,

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Speaker 7: and that's what people love to read about. So you

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Speaker 7: know there's gonna be Yeah, there's going to be more

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Speaker 7: and more pressure to create AI generated books and content. Again,

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Speaker 7: I don't know where that's going. I don't really understand AI.

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01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 7: IM just wanting to hang on to what I've got

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Speaker 7: and keep writing books. Real books that people enjoy.

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Speaker 2: How are we going to how are we going to

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Speaker 2: regulate it, get some rules around it? What's legal, what's not?

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't know. We're trying to rane in on

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Speaker 7: some companies now through lawsuits because we allege, we have

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Speaker 7: not proven, and I can't say much about it because

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 7: I'm tied up in court. But our lawsuit alleges that

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Speaker 7: these companies just took our books because they craved data.

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 7: They have to have so much data. They took our books, magazines, newspaper, everything.

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Speaker 7: They wiped outs and plout all this stuff through the

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Speaker 7: llms to create what they do and without worrying about

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Speaker 7: Cartonbright infringement. And we think carpentright is sacred, and until

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Speaker 7: the court says otherwise, we will keep fighting. We're fighting

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Speaker 7: all the time now trying to protect what we are,

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01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 7: our intellectual property and what we have created.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what the good thing about your

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Speaker 2: to watch today, if youve got a couple of moments.

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Speaker 2: Bridges fallen over in China unfortunately was a brand new

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Speaker 2: bridge as well in Sashuan, seven hundred and fifty eight

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Speaker 2: meters long, and it's sort of they just opened it

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Speaker 2: and then they said, hang on if there's some cracks there,

1540
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Speaker 2: Yes there are, so fortunately they've got some people off

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Speaker 2: it and the cars didn't go on it, so there

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Speaker 2: were no casualties. But there was a lot of rain

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Speaker 2: in the area. Foundations went bridges down, so well know,

1544
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: we'll probably have a new one done by Sunday. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 2: it's not good to build new bridges and just watch

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Speaker 2: them go down. But the video is quite something. Question

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01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 2: for you and one for Rod specifically, is a coup

1548
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 2: in the offing for Sekia? Are Saquia's day's numbers? So

1549
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: two part question, is a coup in the offing and

1550
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: if it is, what chance of a success? We'll talk

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01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 2: to rot in the UK after the news, which is

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Speaker 2: next here on the mic asking Breakfast at Newstalk.

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Speaker 1: Zed, opinionated, informed, unapologetic, The mic asking Breakfast with the

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Speaker 1: Defender embraced the impossible news talks dead.

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Speaker 2: Be Mike, I read the Russia's foreign minister Labrov hasn't

1556
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 2: been seen for weeks. Highly unusual, a red flag, perhaps

1557
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 2: upward inflection. Question Mark bears A raised it on the

1558
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: program Monday, So come on, come to the party, but

1559
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: he said, I take it unless you've seen him this week.

1560
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him this week. It seems to be

1561
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: they blame him for the lack of the summit. So

1562
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: the Bella was at Belarus, score it wasn't Belarus. I'm

1563
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 2: thinking of the Morning show talking about the Morning Show,

1564
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: where where were they going to meet? Budapesta is where

1565
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: they were going to meet and it sort of fell

1566
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: apart and they blame Labroth for it. Hence he's not

1567
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: been seen, Mike. Which wine would you recommend for someone

1568
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: in my sixties who has never drunk wine? I find it, Henry,

1569
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe. Not that you necessarily

1570
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: need to be a drinker, but I find it hard

1571
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 2: to believe you've reached your sixties and have never drunk wine.

1572
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,560
Speaker 2: You've never been to a wedding, You've never been to

1573
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: a party, you've never been to the races, you've never

1574
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 2: won lotto, you've never been to a work do and

1575
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 2: had a little tipple to something. Anyway, maybe he's a

1576
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 2: bourbon guy, could be a bourbon guy. You're the only

1577
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 2: person who's wine opinion I trust, Thank you, Henry. That

1578
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: now sits heavily on my shoulders, and I'm going to

1579
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 2: have to think about it and come back to you.

1580
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: It is twenty two to.

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Speaker 1: Nine International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of

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Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business.

1583
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of teech Hitler's rod, how are you.

1584
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 12: Love?

1585
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 2: I'm very well. Indeed, BBC now the Trump thing and

1586
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: the billion dollars. He's on Fox yesterday saying, look, I'm

1587
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: I feel obligated to sue them, which sort of dragged

1588
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: Starmer and to Diane doesn't know what to do. Where

1589
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: do we go with the BBC? And not since we

1590
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: last talk, old Timbo was giving interviews saying that you

1591
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: know the BBC is actually okay, so still a miss.

1592
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 17: It's still a big mess. Partly because the BBC's in denial,

1593
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 17: partly because the arrival Donald Trump into the scene, and

1594
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 17: this is one of the things which provoked the whole

1595
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 17: crisis in the first place, slightly took them back the

1596
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,799
Speaker 17: other way, because whilst people are not kind of happy

1597
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 17: with the way the BBC has gone over the last

1598
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 17: particularly fifteen years, they don't like this bullying, you know.

1599
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 17: And I suspect that the threat of Trump's writ for

1600
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 17: a billion tolicity, which would be existential for the BBC,

1601
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 17: is something which plays in the BBC's favor a little bit.

1602
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 17: And certainly what we've seen over the last two days

1603
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 17: is the government, the Labor Party and the government rallying

1604
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 17: behind the BBC a bit.

1605
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,560
Speaker 2: Would the government rally behind the BBC if they were conservatives,

1606
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: you know, in other words, the British government rallies behind

1607
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 2: the British Broadcasting Corporation or is this a labor thing.

1608
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 17: That's a good question. That's a good question, Mike. I'm

1609
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 17: not sure. I'm not sure. I think there are elements

1610
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 17: of the conservative parties such as you know, there are

1611
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 17: conservatives who worked with the BBC, very very few of them.

1612
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 17: But you know, Chris Patten used to be there, the

1613
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 17: chairman who felt very strong about the BBC's independence and

1614
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 17: the BBC's neutrality, of the PC's ability to produce fair

1615
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 17: reports and so on, who would undoubtedly be behind the BBC.

1616
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 17: And then there are others such as the Conservative Party

1617
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 17: leader Kemmy Beadenot, who thinks that the BBC is kind

1618
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 17: of beyond form in a way, and that much as

1619
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 17: we might have happy memories of it, that ton has

1620
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 17: probably come to say goodbye.

1621
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 2: Interesting thing about the BBC and Trump is when you

1622
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 2: see the CBS CBS, he didn't have a case. It

1623
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,799
Speaker 2: was widely seen he didn't have a case, but nevertheless

1624
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 2: they wanted clearance on a higher up they know in

1625
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: a business deal. In this case, he does have a case.

1626
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: And there must be pretty sure on Starmer to I

1627
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: don't know, twist an arm or to write a check,

1628
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: or to you know, lean on them or do something.

1629
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: Hasn't it?

1630
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 17: Yeah, My, it won't come to that in the end,

1631
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 17: and I think Starmer probably will lean on him, or

1632
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 17: Lea Landy or someone there will lean on him to say, look,

1633
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 17: it's not worth it. Leave it alone. Don It's not

1634
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 17: worth it, mate, you know, let's say, because it would

1635
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 17: turn the country against Trump, you know, yes, it really

1636
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 17: in the country against Trump. And I suspect, you know,

1637
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 17: if you know that sopect it wouldn't play terribly well

1638
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 17: in New Zealand either, because I suspect that a lot

1639
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 17: of people in New Zealand have a race memory of

1640
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 17: the BBC, which is a rather likable memory for them

1641
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 17: to have. So I think I think in a way

1642
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 17: the Trump stuff muddies the waters. The BBC has been

1643
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 17: saying we are not biased. There have been countless reports,

1644
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 17: all by the independent people with no extra rind over

1645
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 17: the last twenty years where I'm said, you are biased.

1646
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 17: You don't understanding you're biased, but you are biased, you know.

1647
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 17: And that was the essence of the problem. Once Trump

1648
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 17: gets involved, it muddies it a little bit, it does.

1649
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: Is there a coup brewing? Is there anything in this

1650
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: or not?

1651
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 17: The coup brewing for some time, it's reaching ahead. The

1652
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 17: suspicion now is it will happen just after the disastrous

1653
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 17: bludging whatever is delivered a pollour nation by rachel Us

1654
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:09,839
Speaker 17: at the end of the month. There is certainly fury

1655
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 17: and annoyance amongst the backdventures. The problem is is that

1656
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 17: they are still further from the views of the population

1657
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:23,839
Speaker 17: than Starmer is. And you know, it is very difficult

1658
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:29,560
Speaker 17: to see. Two of the current problems Handy Burnham streeting

1659
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 17: Angela Arena. All are tainted in some way or another.

1660
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 17: Andy Burnham doesn't even have a seat. There is no

1661
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,600
Speaker 17: clear there is no clear past to number ten for

1662
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 17: anybody on the backbenches or elsewhere in the labor Party.

1663
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: I reckon. We'll be talking about this on Tuesday. Rod,

1664
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: appreciate it. You have a good weeknd couple of other

1665
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1693
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Speaker 2: I'd recommend you go to a red I don't think

1694
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Speaker 2: you want to muck around with the I don't think

1695
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Speaker 2: you want to muck around with the whites. White's here today,

1696
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Speaker 2: gone to Morrows sort of wines in general, but a

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Speaker 2: nice rid. So start with the red. Just an approachable bead.

1698
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: Don't say stuff like you know that rks me up.

1699
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Speaker 2: So you start with an approachable red. And there's nothing

1700
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Speaker 2: money on a mount difficulty, I'd go Rabbit Ranch, a

1703
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Speaker 2: little bit cheaper, I think, made by the same people

1704
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Speaker 2: from memory, could be Roaring Mead, can't remember, but Rabbit

1705
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Speaker 2: Ranch rawing Mead. Mount Difficulty. I go mount difficulty if

1706
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Speaker 2: you want, if you really want to push the boat out,

1707
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 2: if you develop a taste for it, like if you

1708
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: finish the mount difficulty really quickly and go well, wouldn't

1709
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Speaker 2: mind a bit more of that. It's such a shame.

1710
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 2: I've got some sixties and I haven't been drinking. I'd

1711
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Speaker 2: taste the very best of Felton, the very best peen

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01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: and war in the country, then Felton Road. So that's

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Speaker 2: my recommendation. And let me know how you go Henry

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: and don't drink and dry by the way, so court

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01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: they yes, again, I don't know how much this is

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01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 2: the stuff back in Britain. So the asylum seekers can

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01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 2: continue to stay at that Essex hotel because the Epping

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 2: Forest District Council, who initially won and said the court

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,439
Speaker 2: said they didn't have to or couldn't you could ban them,

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01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 2: that's been flipped so they've lost that. Meantime, a second

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 2: migrant who had been sent from the UK to France

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: and in one out thing has come back. So we

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01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 2: told you about the original in out, in out, there's

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Speaker 2: a second now out in out. So that program's just

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 2: a complete and utter disaster. But on the brighter side

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Speaker 2: of life in Britain, and I'm interested to know whether

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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 2: that would happen here. But I don't think we keep

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01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 2: these sort of stats. Toy sales. Even though the economy shot,

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01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 2: toy sales are up for the first time since the pandemic.

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: The value of toy sales in Britain is up six percent.

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01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: Stitch as in the movie in Formula One. As in

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01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: the movie You're driving toy sales, which is interesting because

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: people are loving the hot wheels f one racing Circuit.

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: They release their Dream Toys series for Christmas. There's an

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: interactive dinosaur that breaks out of an egg. I think

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01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: we've seen that before. I don't think that's a new toy,

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: is that.

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01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 3: I think I feel like that's been around for yeah,

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01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 3: since the Jurassic era.

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01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen that before. We've got doles

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01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: from Wicked. There's a game in which players have to

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01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,759
Speaker 2: feed themselves mini marshmallows with time.

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01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 3: Keep talking, keep talking, hungry, hungry.

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 13: You have to put you have to put on tiny.

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01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 2: You put on what you have to put on, tiny hands,

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01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 2: and with your tiny little heads you have to pick up.

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: This is another thing that Donald Donald Trump is invented.

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01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: Don't know?

1750
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 3: Is it like eat like Donald and.

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 2: They encourage you Trump a jump and to put to

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01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: put that on video and put it on the net. Anyway,

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: there's your Christmas shopping for you. That's all those toys,

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01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 2: by the way, worth about nine billion New Zealand dollars.

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01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 2: So the toy industry is booming, which is nice. Ten

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Speaker 2: minutes away from nine the.

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Speaker 2: They won the Consumer People's Choice Award for eight years straight.

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Speaker 2: So if performance and customer satisfaction matter, and let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: good a New Zealand pin noir gets the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and six which was still available a couple of months

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01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 2: or ago. Cheez it haven't had mounted Wood for a

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01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: very long period of time, but I'll take your recommendation.

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01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 2: It's a very good Wine' quite right, Felton wrote, is

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01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: good but overrated. Crap, what absolute nonsensical rubbish. Do not

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Speaker 2: text this program ever again your band by the way, yesterday,

1790
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: very good piece of reading in the Australian media headline

1791
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 2: when it comes to international profile New Zealand. Just cut

1792
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 2: our lunch. I love reading about positive things about New

1793
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: Zealand from other people's eyes. There must be something interesting,

1794
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 2: some interesting conversations I write going on tourism Australia right now.

1795
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 2: The Kiwis have snaked us. Australia had the chance to

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01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 2: attract Michel and we passed it up too expensive. Long

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Speaker 2: ago michel And altered the business model as are paid

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Speaker 2: to play system. I didn't realize that, which is why

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Speaker 2: we're paying six million dollars. Anyone scoffing at this decision

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Speaker 2: obviously hasn't dined in New Zealand for a while, because

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01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: the food seen across the ditch is crackling along. From

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 2: Auckland to Wellington, christ Church to Queenstown, from Mountaintop restaurants

1803
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 2: to Hole in the Wall wine bars, from avant garde

1804
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: fine diners to neighborhood beestro's. New Zealand has some seriously

1805
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 2: great places to eat, and pretty soon the culinary world

1806
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: will know all about how good is that five.

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Speaker 1: To nine trending?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 1: With chemist Well's keeping Kiwi's healthy all year.

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01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 6: Round, let's start ready down.

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Speaker 2: There's a bit depressing. So Jake Paul, who's a dufus,

1812
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 2: was going to fight with Jamonta Davis or Javonte Davis anyway,

1813
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 2: it was called up. Davis was accused of domestic violence.

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01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 2: So Jake Paul needs another opponent, so he's found one

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01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 2: this morning. This is credible. Apparently it's Anthony Joshua. What

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01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: a shame? Ay, what are shame? So it is going

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01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 2: to be next month. It is going to be live

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01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 2: streamed on Netflix as they continue there for a into

1819
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: live sport. They do a very good job, and mus

1820
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 2: say they're really They've got into the award scene fairly

1821
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,839
Speaker 2: early on a year or so back, and they were rubbish,

1822
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: but they seem to have got their BacT together and

1823
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 2: now realized it costs a bit of money and you

1824
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 2: need a few cameras and a bit of talent. So

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01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: all the latest stuff I've seen seems reasonable. They're into

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01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: the what's that fighting? There's mama fighting whatever that is anyway,

1827
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 2: So Anthony Joshua, what does that say about the state

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01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: of Anthony Joshua's career When you're fighting Jake Paul. Jake

1829
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Paul ways in at ninety by the way, Kg's and

1830
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: Joshua was one fourteen. Last fight. I did maintain once

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01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 2: Joshua won that he looked like a guy had earned

1832
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: enough money not to care anymore. And I don't think

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01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 2: he does care anymore, and I think there's a little

1834
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 2: bit of that about him, and he's he's in the

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01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 2: who are they the promoters? The one I keep talking

1836
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 2: about on Netflix? The Hearns, The Hearns, Barry Hearn and

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01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: Coey's in that documentary. It's worth looking at and so

1838
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 2: what a sellout Paul V. Joshua. Anyway, if you're into

1839
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, it's on Netflix. As I say,

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01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 2: next month. Back tomorrow morning from six for Friday's edition,

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