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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday, where we find Mark Mitchell joining the program

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Speaker 1: along with Ginny Anderson. Good morning to you both. Good

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Speaker 1: morning Mike, Mark. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 2: Out of ten, I'm feeling four.

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Speaker 3: It's not good.

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Speaker 1: It's not good.

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Speaker 2: At four, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Four out of ten, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: The boardroom, I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm going off

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Speaker 2: the pain scale. You got to go paying one to ten.

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Speaker 2: So on the pain scale on four, so recovery, I'm

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Speaker 2: probably about an eight Hurrican.

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Speaker 1: What about understanding simple questions? Marke, where are you on

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Speaker 1: the scale? I just changed my answer last last weekend.

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Speaker 2: I was very worried because I was hit a lot

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Speaker 2: of more feed in my system when I came on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: Last I think.

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Speaker 2: There's a little bit the ends a little bit there.

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Speaker 2: But it was interesting because when I was on last week,

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Speaker 2: I was saying, look, I'm pretty optimistic. I think that

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Speaker 2: I'm getting great key here. I'll be up running a

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Speaker 2: couple of days. He was saying, You've got quite a

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Speaker 2: few calls saying that's irresponsible. I've been a.

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Speaker 1: Response for what be on the show from the hospital.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, for trying to recover and get out

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Speaker 2: of hospital in a couple of days, and well, everyone

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Speaker 2: recovers at their own rates.

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Speaker 1: Exactly said. People are moanas, aren't they Sony's crew, That

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Speaker 1: was Jenny's crew. Let me get this, let me get

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Speaker 1: this right? So so so okay or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I am I am no, No, I'm definitely on the

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Speaker 2: right on the road to recovery.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. Well, where's the pain coming from?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: What pain are you suffering?

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Speaker 2: I've got cellulitis and it does take a few days

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Speaker 2: to come right.

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Speaker 1: For goodness sake, it's not good. Terrible, Yeah, it is terrible.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, that's fine. When guys there's other things in

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Speaker 2: the world to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, not now, I'm worrying you worried?

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Speaker 3: Ginny, Well, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't even know what it is. I thought cell you

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Speaker 4: light was like a fat bum, But it's not.

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Speaker 3: That's not right.

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Speaker 1: That's your that's your definitions. Right. When did you o

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Speaker 1: us sort of a featured Look, I tell you what, Ever,

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Speaker 1: since Morning Reports started copying this segment, I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: there's there's going to be nothing like this on thats there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is as good as it

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Speaker 1: gets did you when did you open the jewelry shop?

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Speaker 2: Mark the jewelry shop? I did that not last weekend,

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Speaker 2: the weekend before.

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Speaker 1: Oh, for God's sake, because I'm reading it in the

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Speaker 1: Herald over the weekend. And the problem the Herald at

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Speaker 1: the moment is they're running they're doing this thing whereby

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Speaker 1: they run stories for eight years, and so I know

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Speaker 1: I no longer know whether anything happened because I saw

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Speaker 1: you at the jewelry shop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: And I thought this guy's left hospital to open a

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Speaker 1: jewelry shop.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it was just it was literally, that was

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Speaker 2: literally the day before that. We didn't.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, Now, Jinny, can I pick you up? Can I

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Speaker 1: pick you up? Yesterday? From question time, you look bored witless?

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Speaker 1: You were. Who was the person sitting next to you

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Speaker 1: asking the question? Was that Willow Jean?

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Speaker 3: Yes it was Jane.

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Speaker 1: No, you like Willow Jean because you look you had

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Speaker 1: you You're head in your hands, and you go, God,

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Speaker 1: I'd ask a better question than her, get on with it.

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Speaker 1: And you had that look about you.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, and I should I should pick my head up

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Speaker 3: a bit better. I was actually I had stuff like

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Speaker 3: you've done. So. I was working on my phone while listening, and.

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Speaker 1: Then I saw you stirring into middle distance up in

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Speaker 1: the gallery. Who was up in the gallery? That was

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Speaker 3: What was I looking?

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Speaker 4: Or there were other people up in the gallery who

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Speaker 4: were Were they waving at you something?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They were? Actually what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Wave back? Are you paying attention? That's a serious place.

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Speaker 3: You're not really need to wave back. No, but I

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Speaker 3: think there was a group of people from the hat

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Speaker 3: who were she.

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Speaker 2: Was googling treatment for cell you.

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Speaker 3: I've loved that mouse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well I'm glad we've got the important

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Speaker 1: business of the day, right Ginny. You first, the Maori

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Speaker 1: party and their various problems. Are you surprised? And what

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Speaker 1: advice is the seasoned professional would you offer them?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I suppose you know, like all parties have the internal

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Speaker 4: you know, ructions and fights, it's just not so often

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Speaker 4: that we see it and hear it so much. So Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess I am surprised that we've seen it in

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Speaker 4: such detail sort of play out over the last couple

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Speaker 4: of days. But I guess that the main point is

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Speaker 4: is that's what caucus discipline is about. And you know,

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Speaker 4: if you're going to be holding yourself accountable that you

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Speaker 4: need to have a caucus that sticks together. And so

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Speaker 4: having caucus collective responsibility and having a unified group in there,

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Speaker 4: that's a critical part of being able to carry yourself politically.

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Speaker 1: Mark, do you do you run a budget? I mean

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Speaker 1: this budget of one hundred and thirty thousand dollars? Do

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Speaker 1: you have a budget? Do you run it? And does

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Speaker 1: anyone oversee what you're doing with it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean all the peace have a budget and

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Speaker 2: they yes, they run it to make sure they stay

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Speaker 2: with them budget.

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Speaker 1: And who comes to you and goes, Mark, you spend

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars more than you were

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Speaker 1: supposed to.

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Speaker 2: Well, Parliamentary Services will help run that budget alongside you.

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Speaker 2: And it's probably them that have come and said, look,

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Speaker 2: you've had a mess of blowout here, but look money,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing.

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Speaker 1: But if you had a blow out of one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars, wouldn't you know it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what's your budget?

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Speaker 2: Well you should know it, definitely, Yeah, you should know

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Speaker 2: if you've had a blow out of ten thousand dollars without.

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Speaker 1: A doubt what's your do you need? Do you have

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Speaker 1: a budget as a opposition MP?

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Speaker 3: Totally?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a budget and you manage it and

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Speaker 4: Parliamentary Service support you and effectively managing it, and you

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Speaker 4: get better at it, to be honest over time because

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Speaker 4: you get to know, you know what your staff payers,

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Speaker 4: what their allocations are for annually. That's all going to

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Speaker 4: come out of it. You've also had to pay for

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Speaker 4: your things that it or whatever things you need. And

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Speaker 4: I also you also got to fund an officer in

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Speaker 4: one way Mutter and an officer Tony, so we've got

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Speaker 4: to make sure that all those things are covered as well.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you have to make sure that you know

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Speaker 4: your whips are watching you as well as Parliamentary Service

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Speaker 4: to make sure that you're on target, and you usually

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Speaker 4: get a graph to be honest, how are you tracking

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Speaker 4: over the here?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, I've got more questions robing questions. Mark,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of jury yesterday in the House

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Speaker 1: and the speech and what he wants to achieve.

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Speaker 2: I have always said that we should bring standards back

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Speaker 2: to the House. I never agreed with dropping the standards.

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Speaker 2: I think that that is one there's one place in

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Speaker 2: this country that you should take seriously and you should

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Speaker 2: turn up, you know, taking some time to actually look

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Speaker 2: like you're there to do the business of the country

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Speaker 2: for the people that you represent. I've always been in

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Speaker 2: that space, So I congratulate jury and embrace the changes.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of Ginny, Yeah, well I think

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Speaker 4: it's good. But whether or not it happens or not

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Speaker 4: is another story.

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Speaker 1: Well well, so, well, I mean it will happen if

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Speaker 1: you wanted to, haven't won't it?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I mean the things he said was

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Speaker 4: around you know, turning up, which is fair enough, dress code,

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Speaker 4: which is I think also fair enough. But the use

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Speaker 4: of supplementary questions and how that operates. I mean we

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Speaker 4: still have Winston Peter's every day getting up asking a

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Speaker 4: supplementary that's not a supplementary, and he started to crack

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Speaker 4: down on that a bit. But it's important that you

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Speaker 4: have a single stand it across the house, and I

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Speaker 4: think he's importance.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Mike, we never the National Party never

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Speaker 2: dropped the standards. So when the speaker mel I dropped

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Speaker 2: the step, we never did that. Weid that we would

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Speaker 2: stick to the standards, that they are important. But you

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Speaker 2: had the green parties with people turning up looking a

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Speaker 2: lot at Fonsarelli and all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 1: The it is true. I look at you, Ginny. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sucking up to you because you're on the show,

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Speaker 1: but you would be one of the better, if not best,

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Speaker 1: presented of the labor MPs. So your appearance is clearly

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Speaker 1: of importance to you, and good on you for that.

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Speaker 4: But well, we were always brought up that way, and

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Speaker 4: you know, we were, you know, largely from working class background,

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Speaker 4: but we were always taught that you might not be wealthy,

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Speaker 4: but it was important to look good and present well.

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Speaker 3: And that's always been drilled in to me from day one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be critical Mark and trying, I'm to

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Speaker 1: distance yourself from the fact he's national impeak. I thought

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Speaker 1: he missed a beat yesterday. I thought he was heading

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Speaker 1: somewhere and he was going to call Al Renny out

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Speaker 1: and he didn't. And I just it just because he's

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Speaker 1: clearly pissed off with what's going on, and rightly so

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Speaker 1: he wants to do something about it, and he could

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Speaker 1: have done more than he did, and he did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, he put.

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Speaker 2: Trust anti party Mary and they just completely blew it

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Speaker 2: out the back door. So I think that they're done.

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Speaker 2: The Chips are done.

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Speaker 1: Is it just though Mark, Is it just Maori Party

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Speaker 1: or is it the Greens as well?

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Speaker 2: No, the Greens are pretty bad too, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: In terms of what I feel is not showing respect

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Speaker 2: to the House. It's almost they showed disdain. Why run

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Speaker 2: for parliament? Why come into parliament if you if you

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Speaker 2: hate the place?

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Speaker 1: It's performing Where He's right, Jinny, is it's performative, isn't

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Speaker 1: it is that they're not there to bet in New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: agree or disagree on politics. They're not there to bet

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Speaker 1: in New Zealand. They're there to perform.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they would argue differently from from the

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Speaker 4: course that the way they're present is that they are

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Speaker 4: arguing for the things that they believe in. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to come on and defend them today, that

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Speaker 4: that's not my job. But I think it's important to

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Speaker 4: note that it's not just and it's not just that,

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Speaker 4: it's also the behavior in the House and we have,

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Speaker 4: you know, consistently supplementary questions being asked that technically are

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Speaker 4: not supplementary questions. They're just designed to be stunted. So

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Speaker 4: I think when Jerry's cracking down, I think what he's

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Speaker 4: going to find himself doing is if he wants to

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Speaker 4: raise the bar across the house, he's going to have

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Speaker 4: to do that as well.

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Speaker 1: My problem with that, though, Jinny, is I know what

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Speaker 1: often not always, But often those questions are quite comedic.

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Speaker 1: And where I'm critical of Jerry is he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: of biffo every now and again no longer. He doesn't

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I think it's patient kind of run.

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Speaker 2: Out, which is a necessary part of it.

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Speaker 4: Without last Thursday, watching his face, you know he was

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Speaker 4: You could say he was going away to do some

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Speaker 3: You know, he was doing everything he could.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's dealing with bad behavior. And look to

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Speaker 2: compare with Saint Peter's who is I think most key Weies,

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Speaker 2: even if they don't enjoy I don't agree with as

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Speaker 2: politics would agree. He's an outstanding statesman for us.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: He's impeakably dressed. He takes the place seriously, the longest

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Speaker 2: service Parliamentaria, absolutely knows the rules. So to compare them

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Speaker 2: to the just evled Greens that come in with the

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Speaker 2: and to Party Mary that have just got they've got

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Speaker 2: no respect for Parliament at all, I'd say that, Genny,

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Speaker 2: you need to be defending your coalition partners because they're

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Speaker 2: not behaving very well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: My view is that I've always personally taken Parliament incredibly seriously,

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Speaker 3: To make New Zealand a better country.

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Speaker 4: And I think we might have different philosophical approaches as

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Speaker 4: believe all empeace come to that place because we love

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Speaker 1: Interesting, right, go Mark, And I was just going to say,

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Speaker 1: I do agree with that.

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Speaker 2: I've always said that myself too. I do believe that

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Speaker 2: that's what they believe and try to make it better.

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Speaker 2: But the looseness in the in the in the standards,

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Speaker 2: it is and they've got to be reinstated with it.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to see you. I hope for a better scoorse

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Speaker 1: for you next week. Mark. Do you want do you

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Speaker 1: want me to see something? Do you want me to

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Speaker 1: do you want some chocolate or something?

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Speaker 2: But Rock, I don't know your your I like that

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Speaker 2: that little container that you have with all your goodies

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Speaker 2: and it looks.

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Speaker 1: On the Mediterranean salad, the Mediterranan salad. Yeah, I'll send

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Speaker 1: you out of Mediterranean salad. You'll be amazed at Nice

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Speaker 1: to see you both, Marke, Mitchell, Ginny Anderson for another week.

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