1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:14,627 Speaker 2: I think that's what we'll do. Top of the table 4 00:00:14,827 --> 00:00:18,907 Speaker 2: Super rugby clash in christ Church tonight Crusaders v Chiefs 5 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:23,267 Speaker 2: five past seven, Live commentary on Goldsport and iHeartRadio. Second 6 00:00:23,307 --> 00:00:26,347 Speaker 2: time they've met this season after their round two clash 7 00:00:26,347 --> 00:00:26,987 Speaker 2: in Hamilton. 8 00:00:27,627 --> 00:00:30,187 Speaker 3: The siren's gone, McKenzie right out in front on the 9 00:00:30,227 --> 00:00:31,627 Speaker 3: ten meter mark up. 10 00:00:31,587 --> 00:00:34,427 Speaker 1: Towards and overn it goes. 11 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:36,147 Speaker 2: It's forty nine twenty four. 12 00:00:36,267 --> 00:00:36,987 Speaker 3: It's all over. 13 00:00:37,307 --> 00:00:40,387 Speaker 2: See what Minty kept his excitement levels in check? There 14 00:00:40,427 --> 00:00:43,747 Speaker 2: didn't he? Why cut all based rugby commentator forty nine 15 00:00:43,747 --> 00:00:45,907 Speaker 2: to twenty four and round two. So the game's on 16 00:00:45,947 --> 00:00:49,907 Speaker 2: Goldsport and iHeartRadio, also on Sky Sport two delayed coverage 17 00:00:49,947 --> 00:00:53,747 Speaker 2: on Sky Open at seven thirty. Skysport commentator Tony Johnson 18 00:00:53,827 --> 00:00:56,067 Speaker 2: is with us to preview this one. TJ always get 19 00:00:56,267 --> 00:00:58,747 Speaker 2: good to get the chance to chat to you. Does 20 00:00:58,787 --> 00:01:04,027 Speaker 2: this feel like a potential Grand Final dress rehearsal to you? 21 00:01:05,027 --> 00:01:08,147 Speaker 3: Well, it certainly, Piney. I think the most significant game 22 00:01:08,227 --> 00:01:10,747 Speaker 3: yet in terms of trying to sort out you know, 23 00:01:11,067 --> 00:01:15,267 Speaker 3: home advantage, pole position. If you like for the playoffs 24 00:01:15,787 --> 00:01:18,947 Speaker 3: one and two really important one two or three, I 25 00:01:18,987 --> 00:01:21,147 Speaker 3: guess the other teams that will get home advantage when 26 00:01:21,187 --> 00:01:25,667 Speaker 3: it comes to this rather strange playoff scenario that they've 27 00:01:25,667 --> 00:01:28,707 Speaker 3: got ahead of them. But whoever wins this game, obviously, 28 00:01:29,187 --> 00:01:31,507 Speaker 3: you know, they are in the driver's seat to go 29 00:01:31,587 --> 00:01:34,107 Speaker 3: on and grab the number one spot on the pole. 30 00:01:34,627 --> 00:01:38,387 Speaker 3: And I think probably for the Chiefs more important even 31 00:01:38,467 --> 00:01:40,707 Speaker 3: than the Crusaders. Obviously it's going to be huge for 32 00:01:40,787 --> 00:01:43,507 Speaker 3: both of them. But the Crusaders they are in a 33 00:01:43,507 --> 00:01:46,107 Speaker 3: pretty good spot right now and if they can win 34 00:01:46,187 --> 00:01:48,147 Speaker 3: this and I think their odd's on to take top 35 00:01:48,227 --> 00:01:50,987 Speaker 3: top spot on the on the ladder going into the playoffs. 36 00:01:51,227 --> 00:01:54,267 Speaker 2: Has their bounce back from what was, by their standards, 37 00:01:54,267 --> 00:01:57,747 Speaker 2: a dreadful twenty twenty four come as any surprise to. 38 00:01:57,787 --> 00:02:01,107 Speaker 3: You, Well, it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, Pinineyer, 39 00:02:01,107 --> 00:02:05,667 Speaker 3: I mean last year was an aberration. You know, they 40 00:02:06,427 --> 00:02:08,827 Speaker 3: no one seemed interested in any excuses that they might 41 00:02:08,907 --> 00:02:11,507 Speaker 3: made last year, but they did have a horrific list 42 00:02:11,547 --> 00:02:14,587 Speaker 3: of injuries. Rob Penny was new to the role. You know, 43 00:02:15,147 --> 00:02:17,467 Speaker 3: it can take a while for these sorts of things, 44 00:02:17,587 --> 00:02:21,307 Speaker 3: you know, to gel And this year with a more 45 00:02:21,307 --> 00:02:25,147 Speaker 3: healthy roster, a couple of smart acquisitions, and Rob Penny 46 00:02:25,187 --> 00:02:27,667 Speaker 3: with a job a year and the job under his belt. 47 00:02:27,707 --> 00:02:29,787 Speaker 3: I mean, they've come back and they very much do 48 00:02:29,947 --> 00:02:33,307 Speaker 3: look like, you know, something might the great Crusaders teams 49 00:02:33,307 --> 00:02:35,907 Speaker 3: of the past. They've still got work to do, But 50 00:02:36,267 --> 00:02:38,787 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone should be surprised at the bounce back. 51 00:02:38,827 --> 00:02:42,507 Speaker 3: There's just too much success, you know, too great a 52 00:02:42,587 --> 00:02:45,587 Speaker 3: history of being able to turn things around from adversity 53 00:02:45,667 --> 00:02:49,667 Speaker 3: in that franchise, you know, and look that you have 54 00:02:49,747 --> 00:02:51,867 Speaker 3: to say that at this point of the season, things 55 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:54,467 Speaker 3: are looking pretty good. But you know, it's bit hard 56 00:02:54,467 --> 00:02:56,867 Speaker 3: to look into too far into the future the way 57 00:02:56,947 --> 00:02:58,227 Speaker 3: Super Ragan's gone this year. 58 00:02:58,667 --> 00:03:01,027 Speaker 2: Just before we drilled down into a couple of key 59 00:03:01,187 --> 00:03:04,947 Speaker 2: players and key matchups. What about the Chiefs. They lost 60 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:08,267 Speaker 2: on the Hurricanes last time out second half onslaught from 61 00:03:08,307 --> 00:03:10,987 Speaker 2: the Hurricanes. Wasn't that long ago? They lost to the 62 00:03:10,987 --> 00:03:14,467 Speaker 2: war Atars as well. Are there any stumbles and evidence 63 00:03:14,507 --> 00:03:15,827 Speaker 2: here in the chief season? 64 00:03:16,507 --> 00:03:19,307 Speaker 3: Oh? Quite definitely a couple of stumbles there. I mean 65 00:03:19,347 --> 00:03:21,467 Speaker 3: the game against the war Atars. That was a poor 66 00:03:21,507 --> 00:03:24,347 Speaker 3: performance by the standards that set for themselves through the 67 00:03:24,387 --> 00:03:27,947 Speaker 3: first half of the competition. You know, the Waratars actually 68 00:03:27,987 --> 00:03:30,187 Speaker 3: played it quite smart. They managed to get a couple 69 00:03:30,227 --> 00:03:33,267 Speaker 3: of shots on Damian McKenzie early on, rattled him a bit. 70 00:03:33,307 --> 00:03:34,827 Speaker 3: He made a couple of mistakes and it was just 71 00:03:34,867 --> 00:03:37,107 Speaker 3: one of those games where the harder he tried, the 72 00:03:37,147 --> 00:03:40,307 Speaker 3: worse it gotten. You know, people make a great deal 73 00:03:40,347 --> 00:03:43,027 Speaker 3: of what the Chiefs are like when Damien McKenzie's playing, 74 00:03:43,067 --> 00:03:46,187 Speaker 3: as against what the light when he's not playing. Well, 75 00:03:46,187 --> 00:03:50,827 Speaker 3: he was playing that night, but obviously, you know, wasn't 76 00:03:50,827 --> 00:03:53,027 Speaker 3: able to influence the game the way he likes to. 77 00:03:53,227 --> 00:03:57,147 Speaker 3: So yeah, there have been a couple of wobbles there. Said, 78 00:03:57,187 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 3: that wasn't a great performance, and for a team that's 79 00:04:00,107 --> 00:04:02,987 Speaker 3: been so good late in the game, it was probably 80 00:04:03,107 --> 00:04:05,467 Speaker 3: quite alarming the way they fell away last week. Although 81 00:04:05,467 --> 00:04:09,187 Speaker 3: I'd defy anyone to be able to cope with the Hurricanes. 82 00:04:09,187 --> 00:04:11,467 Speaker 3: The way they got their attack going in the second 83 00:04:11,467 --> 00:04:13,787 Speaker 3: half of that game, it was quite outstanding. 84 00:04:14,387 --> 00:04:17,587 Speaker 2: Crusaders have lost their starting first five. We started nine 85 00:04:17,587 --> 00:04:22,227 Speaker 2: of their games this season. In Taha, Kimera Rever's Rayhannah 86 00:04:22,307 --> 00:04:24,187 Speaker 2: comes into the starting side. Do you think they might 87 00:04:24,227 --> 00:04:26,027 Speaker 2: have been tempted to go with James O'Connor. 88 00:04:26,667 --> 00:04:30,027 Speaker 3: I think that was what everyone was thinking. That O'Connor 89 00:04:30,067 --> 00:04:34,227 Speaker 3: has been used almost exclusively as a closer, hasn't had 90 00:04:34,227 --> 00:04:36,227 Speaker 3: many starts at all this year, and it's a role 91 00:04:36,307 --> 00:04:39,627 Speaker 3: he's done really well, probably in a way to the 92 00:04:39,667 --> 00:04:43,067 Speaker 3: detriment of his chances of getting in the Wallaby team. 93 00:04:43,067 --> 00:04:44,947 Speaker 3: I mean, there was some talk about him being called 94 00:04:44,947 --> 00:04:47,467 Speaker 3: into the Wallabys you to play the British and Irish 95 00:04:47,547 --> 00:04:51,587 Speaker 3: Lions because of the vast experience and you know, quite 96 00:04:51,587 --> 00:04:55,347 Speaker 3: obvious maturing of his game and just maturing of him 97 00:04:55,347 --> 00:04:59,187 Speaker 3: as a person. But obviously they have decided that that's 98 00:04:59,227 --> 00:05:02,307 Speaker 3: the role that suits the team need best and look 99 00:05:02,507 --> 00:05:05,067 Speaker 3: Rivers Rahn, he's been around the team for a couple 100 00:05:05,067 --> 00:05:07,427 Speaker 3: of years. I think he has a a great advantage 101 00:05:08,267 --> 00:05:11,427 Speaker 3: in that, you know, he's got a very good leader 102 00:05:11,627 --> 00:05:15,027 Speaker 3: of the team playing immediately outside him and David really 103 00:05:15,467 --> 00:05:17,427 Speaker 3: and really, he's a guy you know, gets judged a 104 00:05:17,507 --> 00:05:21,427 Speaker 3: fair bit a it's a very demanding, very exacting position 105 00:05:21,507 --> 00:05:23,787 Speaker 3: that he plays. But he's one of those guys he's 106 00:05:23,827 --> 00:05:26,187 Speaker 3: probably best judged by the people who play with him 107 00:05:26,187 --> 00:05:28,987 Speaker 3: and who play against him, And I think it's it's 108 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:31,667 Speaker 3: to the advantage of Ahana that he's got a guy 109 00:05:31,787 --> 00:05:34,507 Speaker 3: like that outside him, and it's really just a matter 110 00:05:34,627 --> 00:05:37,107 Speaker 3: of everyone else. It's it's an adage that the all 111 00:05:37,147 --> 00:05:40,427 Speaker 3: Backs used that you know, you lose an important player, 112 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:42,907 Speaker 3: everyone else just raises their game by a notch to 113 00:05:42,947 --> 00:05:46,547 Speaker 3: help the guy who steps in, you know, to to 114 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:49,547 Speaker 3: enable him to do his job. And look, I'm sure 115 00:05:49,587 --> 00:05:52,267 Speaker 3: he will, but that's going to be a key point 116 00:05:52,267 --> 00:05:55,107 Speaker 3: of the game is the performance of the number tens. 117 00:05:55,667 --> 00:05:58,747 Speaker 3: Obviously Mackenzie for the Chiefs, but you know, they've got 118 00:05:58,747 --> 00:06:00,867 Speaker 3: to get him some decent ball. And if they can 119 00:06:00,867 --> 00:06:03,707 Speaker 3: get him some decent ball, some go forward ball for 120 00:06:03,827 --> 00:06:07,627 Speaker 3: him to weavers magic, well, then they are a shot 121 00:06:07,707 --> 00:06:09,467 Speaker 3: at winning the game. And as I say, I think 122 00:06:09,467 --> 00:06:12,627 Speaker 3: it's really important for the Chiefs to win this game, 123 00:06:12,947 --> 00:06:17,227 Speaker 3: probably more so because they lost ground last week that 124 00:06:17,347 --> 00:06:20,827 Speaker 3: the Crusaders were able to sit back and watch everything 125 00:06:20,907 --> 00:06:23,707 Speaker 3: unfold from the comfort of their own couches. They were 126 00:06:23,747 --> 00:06:26,667 Speaker 3: equal on points with the Chiefs going into the weekend, 127 00:06:26,707 --> 00:06:29,067 Speaker 3: and they were equal on points with the Chiefs coming 128 00:06:29,107 --> 00:06:30,947 Speaker 3: out of the weekend. But in the meantime, they've got 129 00:06:30,947 --> 00:06:33,347 Speaker 3: a game in hand, and they've closed up the points 130 00:06:33,387 --> 00:06:36,547 Speaker 3: four and against. So I think the onus, I think 131 00:06:36,547 --> 00:06:41,947 Speaker 3: the pressure probably really more or the most pressure on 132 00:06:41,987 --> 00:06:43,707 Speaker 3: both things. But I think the Chiefs is a lot 133 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,547 Speaker 3: of pressure on this game because they've got the buy 134 00:06:46,707 --> 00:06:50,627 Speaker 3: next week and you know, potentially could lose ground and 135 00:06:50,787 --> 00:06:54,707 Speaker 3: they'd be starting to think about the Brumbies now, who 136 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:58,267 Speaker 3: are closing the gap on those top two New Zealand teams, 137 00:06:58,267 --> 00:07:00,267 Speaker 3: which is a scenario we perhaps didn't see a few 138 00:07:00,307 --> 00:07:01,547 Speaker 3: weeks ago and day. 139 00:07:01,467 --> 00:07:03,987 Speaker 2: Just before we move out of the first five position. 140 00:07:04,227 --> 00:07:06,307 Speaker 2: Damie McKenzie was always going to come back into the song. 141 00:07:06,507 --> 00:07:10,187 Speaker 2: But Josh Jacob has had a good number of games 142 00:07:10,187 --> 00:07:11,427 Speaker 2: in the teen jump. But what have you made of 143 00:07:11,507 --> 00:07:13,027 Speaker 2: Josh Jacob for the Chiefs this year? 144 00:07:13,067 --> 00:07:16,587 Speaker 3: TJ Well, I think just about like every other ten 145 00:07:16,627 --> 00:07:19,507 Speaker 3: that comes into top level rugby or this level rugby 146 00:07:19,507 --> 00:07:22,307 Speaker 3: in New Zealand, you know they're learning. You know, our 147 00:07:22,387 --> 00:07:26,627 Speaker 3: number ten's come out of college and there's you know, 148 00:07:26,827 --> 00:07:30,067 Speaker 3: very few of them are are the finished article in 149 00:07:30,147 --> 00:07:31,987 Speaker 3: terms of learning how to run a game, how to 150 00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:35,427 Speaker 3: control the game, both with the passing, the tecking, the judgment, 151 00:07:35,507 --> 00:07:37,907 Speaker 3: the vision to see wat's in front of you. So 152 00:07:38,347 --> 00:07:40,467 Speaker 3: it's a tall order for a guy. You know, he's 153 00:07:40,467 --> 00:07:44,547 Speaker 3: been around a few years now, but he's still learning 154 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:49,227 Speaker 3: about the game. And look, he's very solid. I think 155 00:07:49,267 --> 00:07:52,427 Speaker 3: the guy that they were kind of looking at to 156 00:07:52,507 --> 00:07:56,787 Speaker 3: be the number to, you know, the backup to Mackenzie 157 00:07:56,867 --> 00:08:00,307 Speaker 3: or the alternate to Mackenzie at Thames, Caleb Trask. He 158 00:08:00,467 --> 00:08:02,707 Speaker 3: just he's got that extra bit of experience, a lot 159 00:08:02,747 --> 00:08:05,707 Speaker 3: of silky skills. Again about it about him, But the 160 00:08:05,707 --> 00:08:09,187 Speaker 3: poor guys can't catch a lucky break at the moment 161 00:08:09,187 --> 00:08:11,987 Speaker 3: with his injuries, and so that that's sort of been 162 00:08:12,027 --> 00:08:15,427 Speaker 3: a that's probably meant that Jacob has played more on 163 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:17,787 Speaker 3: the front line than they might have been anticipating. Look, 164 00:08:17,947 --> 00:08:20,267 Speaker 3: you know, the futures ahead of it. You know, he's 165 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:22,707 Speaker 3: got a good future ahead of him, Jacob, But as 166 00:08:22,747 --> 00:08:25,347 Speaker 3: I say, at the moment, he's still learning about the 167 00:08:25,707 --> 00:08:28,347 Speaker 3: game and you know what is a pretty unforgiving level 168 00:08:28,387 --> 00:08:28,867 Speaker 3: of rugby. 169 00:08:29,507 --> 00:08:31,747 Speaker 2: So Wallace Satiti is going to start his first game 170 00:08:31,787 --> 00:08:33,347 Speaker 2: of the season, having come off the bench in the 171 00:08:33,387 --> 00:08:36,507 Speaker 2: last two. Gee, there's some strength in the Chiefs. Lucy's 172 00:08:36,547 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 2: Parker Jacobs and Satti tonight now off the bench. Both 173 00:08:39,627 --> 00:08:41,907 Speaker 2: you can't even get in the twenty three. How big 174 00:08:41,907 --> 00:08:43,947 Speaker 2: a part will the loose forward battle be tonight? 175 00:08:44,987 --> 00:08:48,187 Speaker 3: It'll be huge and both as you say, he got 176 00:08:48,267 --> 00:08:51,827 Speaker 3: very good loose trios. I mean you talk about Satiti 177 00:08:51,867 --> 00:08:55,667 Speaker 3: there and obviously he was Edith had a phenomenal year 178 00:08:55,747 --> 00:08:59,547 Speaker 3: last year in which he emerged not only as a 179 00:08:59,787 --> 00:09:02,107 Speaker 3: standout player in New Zealand but probably you know, on 180 00:09:02,147 --> 00:09:05,387 Speaker 3: the world stage. But you know, the Crusaders have got 181 00:09:05,387 --> 00:09:08,987 Speaker 3: a guy Christian Leo Willie who's arousing a lot of 182 00:09:09,027 --> 00:09:12,747 Speaker 3: discussion at the moment with his ability at that number eight. 183 00:09:12,747 --> 00:09:17,027 Speaker 3: We're pretty blessed at the moment. Not necessarily big guys, 184 00:09:17,067 --> 00:09:21,387 Speaker 3: but really good ball players, ball carriers, guys with good 185 00:09:21,427 --> 00:09:24,987 Speaker 3: work rates. I just thought we've seen glimpses though already 186 00:09:25,347 --> 00:09:28,987 Speaker 3: since coming back of what Satiti is capable of. You know, 187 00:09:29,187 --> 00:09:32,427 Speaker 3: he is an outstanding talent. So look, there's a head 188 00:09:32,427 --> 00:09:36,907 Speaker 3: to head watch there. I actually think it's probably more 189 00:09:36,947 --> 00:09:40,307 Speaker 3: going to come down to the type five you think 190 00:09:40,427 --> 00:09:43,187 Speaker 3: the Crusaders, It's always been their go to, hasn't it. 191 00:09:43,187 --> 00:09:46,227 Speaker 3: It's been there. You know, when they're in their own half, 192 00:09:46,267 --> 00:09:48,467 Speaker 3: they win a scrum penalty, get out of their own half. 193 00:09:48,507 --> 00:09:50,747 Speaker 3: That sort of thing, the line out drive, all of 194 00:09:50,787 --> 00:09:54,547 Speaker 3: those things. And you know, if there's been a standout 195 00:09:54,547 --> 00:09:57,147 Speaker 3: in that regard for the Crusaders, I think Fletcher Newell 196 00:09:57,147 --> 00:10:02,267 Speaker 3: has just reminded us of why he's been elevated propelled 197 00:10:02,267 --> 00:10:04,867 Speaker 3: into all black ranks. A scrummaging in particular has been 198 00:10:04,907 --> 00:10:07,907 Speaker 3: outstanding over the last few weeks. And I'm sure they'll 199 00:10:07,987 --> 00:10:11,907 Speaker 3: challenge the Chiefs there in the Type five and that 200 00:10:11,947 --> 00:10:14,867 Speaker 3: gives their loose forwards that you know that they're aim 201 00:10:14,907 --> 00:10:16,467 Speaker 3: will be to give their loose forwards and their back 202 00:10:16,507 --> 00:10:20,107 Speaker 3: line a better platform to operate from. But they even up. 203 00:10:20,147 --> 00:10:22,387 Speaker 3: They match up pretty well, don't they, these two teams 204 00:10:22,427 --> 00:10:23,747 Speaker 3: when you look at them on paper? Oh? 205 00:10:23,827 --> 00:10:25,747 Speaker 2: Without question, t Janel. I think that's why it makes 206 00:10:25,747 --> 00:10:28,467 Speaker 2: it such a compelling proposition. And I, like you, I 207 00:10:28,507 --> 00:10:30,827 Speaker 2: think I'm leaning towards the Crusaders for all of them, 208 00:10:30,987 --> 00:10:34,467 Speaker 2: all the reasons you've outlined. But the Chiefs they've made 209 00:10:34,507 --> 00:10:37,747 Speaker 2: the last two Grand finals, lost them both. They always 210 00:10:37,787 --> 00:10:41,627 Speaker 2: look good across a regular Super Rugby season. Can you 211 00:10:41,667 --> 00:10:44,027 Speaker 2: see them winning Super Rugby this year? They could, couldn't they? 212 00:10:44,627 --> 00:10:47,027 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean, right from the word go, they've 213 00:10:47,027 --> 00:10:50,147 Speaker 3: looked a team capable, and I think at the well, 214 00:10:50,187 --> 00:10:52,187 Speaker 3: at the start of the season, I had them down 215 00:10:52,867 --> 00:10:55,507 Speaker 3: if I mean, obviously, like everyone else, I thought the 216 00:10:55,507 --> 00:10:57,307 Speaker 3: Blues might be a good shot of going back to 217 00:10:57,347 --> 00:11:00,267 Speaker 3: back when that's I mean, that's a chance, but it's 218 00:11:00,307 --> 00:11:02,947 Speaker 3: a tall order for them. But I always sort of 219 00:11:02,947 --> 00:11:05,307 Speaker 3: saw the Chiefs as the most likely challenger, but then 220 00:11:05,587 --> 00:11:09,067 Speaker 3: I wasn't account for the terrific turnaround that we've seen 221 00:11:09,107 --> 00:11:12,267 Speaker 3: from the Crusaders. But no, they're still very much in 222 00:11:12,347 --> 00:11:15,827 Speaker 3: the hunt. And look you look at that back line 223 00:11:15,827 --> 00:11:17,747 Speaker 3: that they've got. They've got some of those X factor 224 00:11:17,787 --> 00:11:20,507 Speaker 3: players there that can turn a game. You know, Leroy 225 00:11:20,627 --> 00:11:24,747 Speaker 3: Carter just on multiple skills that he's got a multiple 226 00:11:24,787 --> 00:11:26,907 Speaker 3: ways he can impact on a game. Two players have 227 00:11:26,947 --> 00:11:29,867 Speaker 3: been very solid, very solid, got himself back into All 228 00:11:29,867 --> 00:11:32,667 Speaker 3: Black contention in the Trail Jersey. And of course a 229 00:11:32,787 --> 00:11:36,947 Speaker 3: Moni Nadowa, who I'll probably start arguments here, but if 230 00:11:36,987 --> 00:11:38,787 Speaker 3: I was picking an All Black team today, he'd probably 231 00:11:38,827 --> 00:11:41,467 Speaker 3: be my number one right wing. So and of course 232 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:44,667 Speaker 3: Stevenson at the back, so heaps the talent there. It's 233 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:48,107 Speaker 3: just a matter of whether or not they can provide 234 00:11:48,147 --> 00:11:51,947 Speaker 3: them with those those opportunities, those half chances that they need, 235 00:11:52,547 --> 00:11:54,667 Speaker 3: you know, because you know that the Crusaders will have 236 00:11:54,707 --> 00:11:58,427 Speaker 3: been totally gearing up with especially with a week off, 237 00:11:58,867 --> 00:12:02,267 Speaker 3: They've had a long time to focus on this game. 238 00:12:02,747 --> 00:12:05,587 Speaker 3: And that's why I think that, you know, the Chiefs, 239 00:12:05,387 --> 00:12:07,827 Speaker 3: it's a tall to try and break that down, but 240 00:12:07,867 --> 00:12:10,467 Speaker 3: look at this one team in the competition that's capable 241 00:12:10,507 --> 00:12:13,907 Speaker 3: of doing that, particularly if the Crusaders aren't at their best, 242 00:12:13,907 --> 00:12:15,987 Speaker 3: because you know, we've seen that in this competition. If 243 00:12:16,027 --> 00:12:18,867 Speaker 3: you are even at ninety five percent, you're vulnerable in 244 00:12:18,667 --> 00:12:23,107 Speaker 3: this competition. So yeah, it's it's quite compelling, isn't it. 245 00:12:23,067 --> 00:12:24,827 Speaker 3: It's quite an enticing prospect. 246 00:12:24,827 --> 00:12:27,787 Speaker 2: This certainly, as certainly is a mouthwatering clash and prospect. 247 00:12:27,787 --> 00:12:30,227 Speaker 2: Can't wait. TJ. Thanks so much for your time and expertise. 248 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:32,907 Speaker 3: As always, Oh you're welcome, piny No, thank. 249 00:12:32,747 --> 00:12:36,467 Speaker 2: You, TJ. Tony Johnson with his thoughts always articulate. It 250 00:12:36,467 --> 00:12:38,027 Speaker 2: always picks up on a couple of things that I 251 00:12:38,067 --> 00:12:40,387 Speaker 2: haven't thought of always, and that's the reason we get 252 00:12:40,387 --> 00:12:43,227 Speaker 2: them on of course, these experts to give us a 253 00:12:43,227 --> 00:12:44,867 Speaker 2: bit of analysis that we hadn't quite thought of. 254 00:12:45,427 --> 00:12:48,627 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 255 00:12:48,747 --> 00:12:52,027 Speaker 1: to News Talk z B weekends from midday, or follow 256 00:12:52,067 --> 00:12:53,667 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio