WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 20 April 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.015 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.015 Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay. 0:00:15.695 --> 0:00:21.175 The house is a hole even when it starks, even 0:00:21.215 --> 0:00:23.175 when the grass is overgrown in. 0:00:23.135 --> 0:00:26.575 The yard, even when. 0:00:26.415 --> 0:00:30.655 The dog is too old to bar, and when you're 0:00:30.695 --> 0:00:33.975 sitting at the table trying not to stop. 0:00:35.615 --> 0:00:41.695 Scissor hole, even when we are band gone, even when 0:00:41.855 --> 0:00:57.455 you're there alone, the house sizor hole, even when those 0:00:57.655 --> 0:01:00.095 ghost even when. 0:00:59.895 --> 0:01:02.135 You got around from the world you love. 0:01:02.055 --> 0:01:07.455 Your most stream, those broken plaints, feeling fund the world, 0:01:09.615 --> 0:01:12.095 locals visible when they're gone and leaving neighbor. 0:01:12.215 --> 0:01:14.935 The house is. 0:01:16.695 --> 0:01:58.575 Even when wilber Ben lone, even when you're newlone is well. 0:01:58.615 --> 0:02:02.095 A very very good morning and a very happy Easter 0:02:02.335 --> 0:02:06.495 Sunday to you as well. Yesterday is Easter Sunday. It 0:02:06.575 --> 0:02:08.215 makes it a regular Sunday, It makes it a very 0:02:08.255 --> 0:02:11.335 special Sunday as well. So delighted to be with you 0:02:11.375 --> 0:02:14.655 this Sunday morning here at Newstalk seid B. Good morning. 0:02:14.695 --> 0:02:16.895 My name's Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this 0:02:17.095 --> 0:02:21.095 is the Resident Builder on Sunday. A show an opportunity, 0:02:21.095 --> 0:02:24.455 a program to that presents us with an opportunity to 0:02:24.575 --> 0:02:28.655 talk all things building and construction. So if you've got 0:02:28.695 --> 0:02:32.255 a project that's underway, and well, I was going to 0:02:32.335 --> 0:02:35.135 say over the Easter break, so you know, if you're 0:02:35.495 --> 0:02:38.295 in paid employment and you get holiday pay. I say 0:02:38.295 --> 0:02:41.295 that because I'm not in that position. But if you are, 0:02:41.375 --> 0:02:44.255 and you've managed to take the right days off, suddenly 0:02:44.295 --> 0:02:45.975 you've been able to stretch out a couple of days 0:02:46.055 --> 0:02:48.575 leave into a significant number of days leave. Given that 0:02:49.415 --> 0:02:52.535 this coming Friday is of course Anzac Day, Easter Monday 0:02:52.615 --> 0:02:55.375 is also a public holiday, and with that in mind, 0:02:55.415 --> 0:02:58.735 you may have decided, rather than heading for the hills, 0:02:58.775 --> 0:03:00.935 to actually get a project done at home. And if 0:03:00.935 --> 0:03:02.735 that's the case, and you'd like to talk about it, 0:03:02.935 --> 0:03:05.135 whether you're you know, you could be wallpapering, you could 0:03:05.175 --> 0:03:07.495 be painting, you could be trying to finish a project 0:03:07.535 --> 0:03:10.975 outside in preparation for the weather. Well, if you didn't 0:03:11.015 --> 0:03:14.015 quite get that finished, then certainly the weather got a 0:03:14.055 --> 0:03:16.695 bit of a testing or whatever you tried to do 0:03:16.775 --> 0:03:18.895 got a bit of testing out. I say that because 0:03:18.935 --> 0:03:20.975 that was exactly the situation that I happened to be 0:03:21.015 --> 0:03:25.015 in this week where I made the confession. If we're 0:03:25.015 --> 0:03:28.335 talking biblical, I made the confession last week that after 0:03:28.415 --> 0:03:30.255 the show on Sunday, I was going to go home, 0:03:30.335 --> 0:03:32.335 spend a bit of time chanting and catching up with 0:03:32.335 --> 0:03:35.015 the family, and then I was going to fire up 0:03:35.055 --> 0:03:37.815 the sand and I didn't feel great about that. I'm 0:03:37.855 --> 0:03:40.815 not actually a huge fan of making too much noise 0:03:40.855 --> 0:03:43.655 on a Sunday, but in this particular instance, I had 0:03:43.655 --> 0:03:47.095 a program and I needed to do the sanding of 0:03:47.135 --> 0:03:50.415 the filler on Sunday in order to do some spot priming, 0:03:50.495 --> 0:03:52.735 in order to do another code of priming on the Monday, 0:03:53.055 --> 0:03:55.175 in order to get a first coat of paint done 0:03:55.215 --> 0:03:57.695 on Monday afternoon, in order to get a top coat 0:03:57.695 --> 0:03:59.655 done on Tuesday, because I knew the weather was packing 0:03:59.895 --> 0:04:04.575 on Wednesday, and surprisingly the weather was wonderfully compliant. I 0:04:04.615 --> 0:04:06.695 also had another little job, which was a war proofing 0:04:06.775 --> 0:04:08.575 job that I need to get done as well, but 0:04:08.695 --> 0:04:11.455 it's a separate story. So anyway, went home Sunday did 0:04:11.495 --> 0:04:15.095 the sanding, deeply relieved. But the fact that both of 0:04:15.135 --> 0:04:18.135 my neighbors opted to mow their lawns at exactly the 0:04:18.135 --> 0:04:21.495 same time, so I don't think anyone was upset by 0:04:22.175 --> 0:04:24.695 the fact that I was using a little cordless random 0:04:24.815 --> 0:04:29.735 orbital sander to stand about six hundred and seventy screw 0:04:29.815 --> 0:04:33.655 holes down on the decking anyway, got that done, got 0:04:33.655 --> 0:04:35.935 the primer done, got the top coat done, got the 0:04:36.015 --> 0:04:39.455 razine paint onto the deck and job done. And it 0:04:39.535 --> 0:04:43.055 standed up or stood up remarkably well when the wind 0:04:43.215 --> 0:04:45.935 and the rain and the thunderstorms and the lightning, not 0:04:45.975 --> 0:04:48.615 that it got hit by lightning arrived over the last 0:04:48.695 --> 0:04:51.255 couple of days. So if you've got a project and 0:04:51.455 --> 0:04:53.375 it's going well, we can talk about it. If you've 0:04:53.415 --> 0:04:57.095 got a project that's kind of stuttering and halting and 0:04:57.135 --> 0:04:59.175 maybe not going as smoothly as you hope, we can 0:04:59.175 --> 0:05:01.615 talk about that as well. Or if it's just the 0:05:01.655 --> 0:05:03.935 wheels have fallen off and the whole thing's crashing to 0:05:03.975 --> 0:05:07.495 earth like a lead balloon, talk about that as well. 0:05:07.535 --> 0:05:09.975 So if you've got a project that you would like 0:05:10.015 --> 0:05:12.255 to talk about, or a challenge that you might have 0:05:12.655 --> 0:05:15.735 with regard to building, let's talk all things building, construction, 0:05:15.895 --> 0:05:19.855 the rules, the regulations, the people involved. And i'll tell 0:05:19.895 --> 0:05:21.655 you what this bit of a special thing coming up 0:05:21.855 --> 0:05:25.735 a bit later on the show, over some time ago, 0:05:25.775 --> 0:05:28.455 and I'll try and sort of put this in context. 0:05:29.215 --> 0:05:29.575 I don't know. 0:05:29.575 --> 0:05:32.775 It might have been two three months ago. We had 0:05:32.775 --> 0:05:36.855 a caller call in and she talked about a project 0:05:36.855 --> 0:05:38.935 that she was doing, and it was a reasonably large one. 0:05:38.935 --> 0:05:42.175 It was an extension alteration to an existing property. So 0:05:42.415 --> 0:05:44.575 there's going to be walls removed, there's going to be 0:05:44.615 --> 0:05:47.335 sections of roof removed, there's going to be any number 0:05:47.375 --> 0:05:50.775 of contractors coming in to do work. And in discussion 0:05:50.855 --> 0:05:54.535 with her main contractor, they put forward the idea that 0:05:54.575 --> 0:05:59.135 they would go out and seek or get contract works insurance, 0:06:00.135 --> 0:06:03.015 which might have an excess of say five thousand dollars, 0:06:03.495 --> 0:06:08.095 and in the event that she was that they needed 0:06:08.135 --> 0:06:12.015 to claim on that, she would agree to pay the access. Anyway, 0:06:12.055 --> 0:06:16.055 it got us into an interesting discussion around insurance and 0:06:16.095 --> 0:06:18.695 what types of insurance you need for building work and 0:06:18.735 --> 0:06:21.495 renovations and alterations, and when do you need to talk 0:06:21.495 --> 0:06:23.815 to your insurer. And it's taken me a little while, 0:06:24.575 --> 0:06:26.695 but I managed to find an expert on this and 0:06:27.015 --> 0:06:29.735 we're going to have that conversation just after eight o'clock 0:06:29.775 --> 0:06:34.695 this morning. So it's very specific. It's very specifically about 0:06:35.135 --> 0:06:39.855 building types of insurances, about public liability, about contract works insurance, 0:06:39.935 --> 0:06:44.455 about who needs to get insurance about overlaps and insurance 0:06:44.455 --> 0:06:47.535 that sort of thing very much in a building context, 0:06:48.055 --> 0:06:51.895 but it should only be seen as general advice. All 0:06:51.935 --> 0:06:56.975 insurers are different and all situations are going to be different, 0:06:57.055 --> 0:07:00.695 so hopefully it'll bring you some good ideas. Certainly, I've 0:07:00.775 --> 0:07:03.855 enjoyed the conversations I've had so far, and we'll be 0:07:03.935 --> 0:07:06.775 talking a little bit about insurance after the eighty clock news. 0:07:07.135 --> 0:07:09.295 It as always, is fired up and ready to go 0:07:09.455 --> 0:07:13.375 from eight point thirty this morning, and this morning, because 0:07:13.375 --> 0:07:15.895 it is Easter, there will be no commercial breaks, so 0:07:15.935 --> 0:07:18.655 we've got plenty of time to sort of stretch our legs, 0:07:18.735 --> 0:07:22.575 really get into the nitty gritty of your conversations, your questions, 0:07:22.615 --> 0:07:28.855 your challenges, your conundrums. So bring it on. Oh, eight 0:07:28.975 --> 0:07:31.495 hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Like 0:07:31.535 --> 0:07:33.935 I say, it is East Sunday. It's commercial free for 0:07:34.135 --> 0:07:38.895 New Zealand broadcasters, whether that's TV or radio, and so 0:07:38.975 --> 0:07:41.375 we've got lots of time to take your calls this morning. 0:07:41.655 --> 0:07:44.775 You can text, of course, that is nine two nine 0:07:44.895 --> 0:07:49.375 two or ZBZB from your mobile phone. If you'd like 0:07:49.415 --> 0:07:51.135 to send me an email, you're more than welcome to 0:07:51.135 --> 0:07:54.615 do that as well. It is Pete at NEWSTALKZB dot 0:07:54.615 --> 0:07:57.575 co dot nz. But as we come up to thirteen 0:07:57.615 --> 0:08:00.055 minutes after six, the lines are open the number to 0:08:00.135 --> 0:08:04.135 call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We won't be dashing 0:08:04.175 --> 0:08:06.535 to commercial breaks during the show. That's not how it 0:08:06.535 --> 0:08:09.855 works on Easter Sunday. I say Good Friday because I 0:08:09.895 --> 0:08:13.855 happened to come in here and do this time slot 0:08:14.495 --> 0:08:17.295 on Good Friday morning as well, which was a bit 0:08:17.335 --> 0:08:20.135 of a delight, a bit of surprise. I knew that 0:08:20.175 --> 0:08:21.535 I was doing it, but it was still nice to 0:08:21.535 --> 0:08:24.495 be invited to come in and do Good Friday Morning 0:08:24.535 --> 0:08:27.095 here at news Talk se'd B. But now it's sort 0:08:27.135 --> 0:08:30.455 of regular transmission has resumed. We're back into talking building 0:08:30.535 --> 0:08:34.975 construction tools now. We had actually just a bit of 0:08:34.975 --> 0:08:38.215 an update as well. Last week on the program, we 0:08:38.255 --> 0:08:40.655 spoke with a woman who had some of her late 0:08:40.895 --> 0:08:44.895 husband's tools, and they were older tools. She had been 0:08:45.135 --> 0:08:50.375 specifically instructed by him prior to his departure that if 0:08:50.415 --> 0:08:52.655 she was just dumping them down at the local op shop, 0:08:53.015 --> 0:08:54.975 he would come back and haunt her. So she was 0:08:55.015 --> 0:08:58.255 looking for somewhere for those tools to go where they 0:08:58.295 --> 0:09:01.535 could be respected, I guess, and where they could be used, 0:09:01.535 --> 0:09:03.295 and we've had a number of people who were helpful 0:09:03.495 --> 0:09:05.815 in that situation. I happened to make it off the 0:09:05.815 --> 0:09:10.015 cuff from about finding an old tool at home that 0:09:10.055 --> 0:09:13.255 I've had for a number of years and that I 0:09:13.455 --> 0:09:15.535 used the other day. And this is the thing with 0:09:15.615 --> 0:09:18.095 old tools. Sometimes they're nice to look at, but sometimes 0:09:18.095 --> 0:09:21.615 they're actually really really lovely to use. And I did 0:09:21.655 --> 0:09:24.975 exactly that when I was rushing around not yesterday but 0:09:25.055 --> 0:09:28.215 last Saturday to get a job done, and did make 0:09:28.215 --> 0:09:30.495 it off the cuff remark about, oh, well, you know, 0:09:30.735 --> 0:09:33.535 I had a look online to see exactly what the 0:09:33.655 --> 0:09:36.575 proper name for this tool is and the brand. So 0:09:36.575 --> 0:09:40.615 it's a Carter's rebate plane, number seventy eight. And then 0:09:40.615 --> 0:09:43.895 I found a website that had not just Carter seventy 0:09:43.935 --> 0:09:47.335 eight rebate planes for sale as antiques or as vintage tools, 0:09:47.335 --> 0:09:49.495 but a whole number of other ones. And I thought, oh, 0:09:49.535 --> 0:09:53.575 that's a very beautiful French chair maker's plane with a 0:09:53.735 --> 0:09:59.215 curved surface on it so that you can plane through curves, obviously, 0:09:59.895 --> 0:10:01.735 and I said, oh, that would be nice to have. 0:10:02.495 --> 0:10:04.095 That doesn't mean that I'm in the hunt for lots 0:10:04.135 --> 0:10:06.255 and lots of tools. We got a number of email 0:10:06.455 --> 0:10:09.175 during the week, people offering to sell me their tools. 0:10:09.935 --> 0:10:12.975 Tempted as I am. I need to show some restraint 0:10:13.095 --> 0:10:17.295 around continuing to purchase more and more tools. Whether or 0:10:17.335 --> 0:10:20.335 not I'm successful with that restraint remains to be seen, 0:10:20.335 --> 0:10:23.375 but we'll see how we go. I have been quite 0:10:23.415 --> 0:10:26.215 restrained over lent, so I'm doing okay. It is sixteen 0:10:26.255 --> 0:10:29.055 minutes after six. The lines are open, lovely to hear 0:10:29.095 --> 0:10:32.255 from you. It is an ad free day, so you 0:10:32.295 --> 0:10:34.255 give me a call because that'll make the whole day 0:10:34.375 --> 0:10:37.375 go a lot faster. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:10:37.535 --> 0:10:39.935 is that number to call. It is sixteen and a 0:10:39.935 --> 0:10:42.655 half minutes after six people wolf camp with you. Lines 0:10:42.695 --> 0:10:45.615 are open, texts are working, emails up and running. Talk 0:10:45.655 --> 0:10:46.095 to you soon. 0:10:51.935 --> 0:10:56.015 Advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on news Talks mb. 0:10:57.975 --> 0:11:00.335 Writy ode. Let's get into it. Eight hundred eighty ten 0:11:00.455 --> 0:11:02.855 eighty is that number to call. Plenty to talk about 0:11:03.895 --> 0:11:05.935 one of the other things that's coming up in a 0:11:05.935 --> 0:11:09.935 couple of week's time. Will be an opportunity to have 0:11:10.055 --> 0:11:14.655 a decent in depth discussion with the Minister for Building 0:11:14.695 --> 0:11:19.175 and construction. That, of course is Chris Penk. He was 0:11:19.215 --> 0:11:20.855 on the show a couple of weeks ago just talking 0:11:20.895 --> 0:11:25.255 about a couple of very specific things, one around the 0:11:25.295 --> 0:11:27.495 possibility that we will be able to build up to 0:11:27.535 --> 0:11:31.495 sixty square meters without necessarily requiring a building consent, and 0:11:31.535 --> 0:11:34.775 the other thing around sort of tightening up some rules 0:11:35.615 --> 0:11:40.135 for how would you put it, basically disciplining bad performers 0:11:40.135 --> 0:11:43.135 in the building sector. So if you're an LBP and 0:11:43.215 --> 0:11:46.615 you do work that is below par, they're going to 0:11:46.695 --> 0:11:53.655 speed up or enhance the disciplinary process at the moment. Typically, 0:11:53.695 --> 0:11:56.295 what happens is it takes quite a long time for 0:11:56.335 --> 0:12:00.775 these things to be investigated because the disciplinary board, my 0:12:00.815 --> 0:12:04.255 impression is that they take it obviously quite seriously. They 0:12:04.335 --> 0:12:07.935 do a suitable investigation of the claims that are made 0:12:07.975 --> 0:12:11.575 against an LBP, then they go through the investigation process, 0:12:11.615 --> 0:12:14.975 the interview process, and then they announce a decision after that. 0:12:16.135 --> 0:12:18.055 But it does take a little bit of time. And 0:12:18.095 --> 0:12:21.815 while it's not a criticism of the board, there is 0:12:21.855 --> 0:12:25.455 that notion that justice delayed is justice denied. So if 0:12:25.495 --> 0:12:27.895 you happen to be in a dispute with your LBP 0:12:28.615 --> 0:12:32.055 about the nature of their work, and it takes twelve 0:12:32.055 --> 0:12:36.335 months to resolve that through that system, that's not necessarily 0:12:36.335 --> 0:12:39.215 getting things done quickly. And in that twelve months, that 0:12:39.335 --> 0:12:42.895 particular LBP could be off doing a whole bunch of 0:12:43.255 --> 0:12:45.535 shoddy work with a whole lot of other clients, and 0:12:45.575 --> 0:12:48.495 that's not helpful. The whole point of the as I 0:12:48.575 --> 0:12:51.895 say it, of the disciplinary board is to allow anyone 0:12:52.215 --> 0:12:55.895 who's about to contract an LBP to be able to 0:12:55.895 --> 0:12:59.575 see what their record is. Now, when you go online 0:12:59.615 --> 0:13:01.895 and have a look for LBPS, you'll see a little 0:13:01.935 --> 0:13:05.535 bit of information, not a great deal, to be fair, 0:13:05.575 --> 0:13:09.215 and certainly there's no reference in the LBP scheme to 0:13:09.775 --> 0:13:12.335 you know how good they are or what their experience is. 0:13:12.815 --> 0:13:16.615 What does come up on the LBP register is have 0:13:16.895 --> 0:13:20.095 they had their license laps or have they been subject 0:13:20.295 --> 0:13:22.455 to a disciplinary hearing. You can also just do a 0:13:22.495 --> 0:13:28.775 quick search for LBP Disciplinary Board findings and find all 0:13:28.855 --> 0:13:32.335 of the hearings. And I happened to go down that 0:13:32.375 --> 0:13:35.855 particular rabbit hole there some time ago, and it was 0:13:36.255 --> 0:13:39.775 actually quite fascinating to see the nature of the disputes, 0:13:40.135 --> 0:13:42.335 the way in which it was resolved, and what the 0:13:42.415 --> 0:13:45.495 outcomes were. And they were all quite detailed forms. You know, 0:13:45.695 --> 0:13:47.855 this type of work was undertaken, it was found to 0:13:47.895 --> 0:13:52.375 be below standard for these reasons, and here is the outcome. Now, 0:13:52.415 --> 0:13:54.655 if you happen to be an LBP and your subject 0:13:54.695 --> 0:13:57.695 to one of those investigations, that will actually stay on 0:13:57.735 --> 0:13:59.855 your record for a period of time and it will 0:13:59.855 --> 0:14:03.815 be there in the public for a period of time 0:14:03.935 --> 0:14:08.535 as well. So should that be faster? Yeah, it probably should, 0:14:09.575 --> 0:14:14.695 I think to be blood. So it'd be interesting to 0:14:14.735 --> 0:14:16.735 see whether that does speed things up and whether that 0:14:16.855 --> 0:14:19.575 changes things as well your news talks. He'd be right. 0:14:19.695 --> 0:14:24.855 Let's can we take a call Isaiah? Isaiah? Hello, producer, 0:14:25.815 --> 0:14:28.375 he's chatting away. Oh eight hundred and eighty teen eighty 0:14:28.415 --> 0:14:30.255 is that number to call if you've got a question. 0:14:31.095 --> 0:14:34.935 Let's can we take a call? Yep? Okay, cool Ohen, 0:14:34.975 --> 0:14:35.735 good morning to you. 0:14:36.695 --> 0:14:37.215 Good morning. 0:14:37.415 --> 0:14:38.255 Hey, how you doing? 0:14:38.655 --> 0:14:40.655 And thank you for coming on Easter? 0:14:41.415 --> 0:14:43.495 Quite a right, nice to be here. 0:14:44.895 --> 0:14:48.415 And enter your recent work with picture the other morning 0:14:48.455 --> 0:14:54.335 too good for Yes, yes, we appreciate it. Hey, I 0:14:54.455 --> 0:14:56.775 liked what you were saying about the young old BUILDO 0:14:57.015 --> 0:15:00.495 passed away? Anyone whose tools going into some good hands. Yes, 0:15:00.615 --> 0:15:05.335 a nice burd of things and not as magnanimously as him, 0:15:05.375 --> 0:15:07.135 but you know, sort of got that same sort of 0:15:07.575 --> 0:15:09.655 attitude to things. I'm not sure ra to see things 0:15:09.695 --> 0:15:13.095 get into good hands and just get junked or misused. 0:15:13.135 --> 0:15:16.735 And I've got a thing which is as much a 0:15:16.815 --> 0:15:20.695 question as a as an offer, but it might it 0:15:20.775 --> 0:15:23.055 might be something to tell me. I need to call 0:15:23.215 --> 0:15:26.455 back later on, but in case it was something that 0:15:26.495 --> 0:15:30.415 appealed to you or someone else who was listening, I've 0:15:30.415 --> 0:15:33.455 got to put a sporum tree here. I don't know 0:15:33.535 --> 0:15:35.495 the exact one. I can give more of a description 0:15:35.575 --> 0:15:37.415 of the leaves if people can figure out what it was. 0:15:37.895 --> 0:15:40.655 But it grew to it. It has grown to a 0:15:40.695 --> 0:15:42.615 height of about, you know, more or less, sort of 0:15:42.655 --> 0:15:45.495 six meters five or six meters tall, but had grown 0:15:45.535 --> 0:15:49.415 in a curved shape because it grew from under a deck, 0:15:49.895 --> 0:15:52.815 curved out around, and I put a rub strip along 0:15:52.855 --> 0:15:55.495 there so that it wouldn't have them a deck too much. 0:15:55.575 --> 0:15:57.215 As it grew up, and the wind blew in that, 0:15:57.855 --> 0:16:02.255 and it's recently seems to have passed away. All the 0:16:02.335 --> 0:16:05.015 leaves have died anyway because of drought conditions. And I 0:16:05.095 --> 0:16:09.095 realized it was going on water coming down instead of 0:16:09.095 --> 0:16:11.935 they're considered sort of all slope above us and instead 0:16:12.175 --> 0:16:15.055 and watering its roots from below the below the deck. 0:16:15.135 --> 0:16:18.655 And before we realized what had happened and able the 0:16:18.735 --> 0:16:21.135 leaves had died and everything because it simply wasn't getting 0:16:21.175 --> 0:16:26.735 its normal watering, natural watering. Now what I wondered is 0:16:27.495 --> 0:16:31.815 for the pittosporum, I think tenurefolium. It's growing in this 0:16:32.535 --> 0:16:35.975 beautiful curve out under the deck. It's about a more 0:16:36.095 --> 0:16:38.295 or less about one hundred diameter, it might be a 0:16:38.335 --> 0:16:41.575 little bit more of it less, and a curve over 0:16:41.655 --> 0:16:44.615 about a one point two meters length. And it's always 0:16:44.695 --> 0:16:46.775 reminded me a bit of what the people used to 0:16:46.775 --> 0:16:50.535 do for boat builders. They would grow trees and stress 0:16:50.535 --> 0:16:53.855 and you know, like tigs, straps or whatever to them 0:16:53.895 --> 0:16:55.415 and state them down to get in the grade of 0:16:55.415 --> 0:16:58.495 the curve they wanted for building certain parts of boats. 0:16:59.415 --> 0:17:03.015 And I thought, well, this I could either cut it off, 0:17:03.055 --> 0:17:07.255 shorter water it it was getting water now numb, and 0:17:07.415 --> 0:17:09.215 to see if it grows back or not. But I 0:17:09.255 --> 0:17:11.815 was in the mind of to cut it down and 0:17:11.895 --> 0:17:14.495 give it to somebody who might want to use it 0:17:14.535 --> 0:17:18.775 for some sort of a project or crafty sort of thing, 0:17:18.815 --> 0:17:20.215 it seemed like a waste to shift. 0:17:20.455 --> 0:17:25.095 Yeah. Look, I do get the sentiment that you're where 0:17:25.095 --> 0:17:27.695 you're coming from in terms of the intent, because yeah, 0:17:27.695 --> 0:17:31.415 you're right in terms of either older boat building styles, 0:17:31.455 --> 0:17:35.095 even in terms of furniture. You know, crafts people, craftsmen 0:17:35.175 --> 0:17:39.015 will look for those particular types of trees and then 0:17:39.055 --> 0:17:42.495 select them. I just wonder whether in terms of what 0:17:42.535 --> 0:17:45.455 you've got, because it's a pito and they're not the 0:17:45.575 --> 0:17:47.535 quality of the timber is not particularly great, and I've 0:17:47.535 --> 0:17:50.095 cut down a whole heap of them, I'm not sure 0:17:50.135 --> 0:17:53.975 that using it for furniture making or anything like that 0:17:54.095 --> 0:17:57.175 is it's going to be that desirable, you know, if 0:17:57.175 --> 0:18:02.415 you had a Yeah, again, I don't know that it'd 0:18:02.455 --> 0:18:07.415 be a great timber to carve with either. Yeah, you know, 0:18:08.055 --> 0:18:16.215 firewood maybe, but furniture possible answer, Oh absolutely, Yeah, we're not. 0:18:16.775 --> 0:18:18.615 It's going to say beating around the bush. That'll be 0:18:18.615 --> 0:18:21.735 a terrible pun to throw in there. But I've done it. 0:18:21.775 --> 0:18:23.415 Now I've done it, it's out in the open. 0:18:23.455 --> 0:18:24.375 I can take it back. 0:18:24.695 --> 0:18:26.655 Lovely to talk to you, and you have a great 0:18:26.775 --> 0:18:29.655 day and take care. Oh eight hundred and eighty. Ten 0:18:29.775 --> 0:18:31.895 eighty is the number to call. It's twenty four and 0:18:31.935 --> 0:18:35.175 a half and it's after six Caroline, good morning. 0:18:36.295 --> 0:18:41.095 Oh yes, good morning, Pete. I'm just got a very 0:18:41.095 --> 0:18:44.815 interesting question. Rather than doing a major. 0:18:44.655 --> 0:18:49.335 Extension, which I believe takes a lot of the effort 0:18:50.535 --> 0:18:54.255 and it is very costly, I was considering just getting 0:18:54.295 --> 0:18:58.575 a cabin, yes, as as a room and building a 0:18:58.655 --> 0:19:03.615 sort of a over sort of a canopy from the 0:19:03.735 --> 0:19:05.415 house to it. 0:19:06.495 --> 0:19:12.135 It was kind of a natural addition, so to speak. Yes, 0:19:13.455 --> 0:19:17.215 And I have been looking at quite a lot of 0:19:17.255 --> 0:19:22.455 cabins and it's really really confusing because three meters doesn't 0:19:22.455 --> 0:19:28.095 seem very wide as a living space, and they seem 0:19:28.135 --> 0:19:30.855 to cram quite a lot into these. I mean, the 0:19:30.895 --> 0:19:35.895 expensive ones are one hundred thousand dollars, which is, you know, 0:19:36.095 --> 0:19:39.695 ten meters by three meters as opposed to a smaller 0:19:40.055 --> 0:19:42.775 four meters by three meters or five meters by three 0:19:42.775 --> 0:19:48.375 meters for about fifteen to twenty thousand. But one of 0:19:48.415 --> 0:19:53.815 the cabin builders said that the cabins on wheels were 0:19:53.855 --> 0:19:57.135 brought built in accordance with the vehicle code and are 0:19:57.135 --> 0:19:59.935 not compliance with the building code, and that got me 0:20:00.015 --> 0:20:03.215 a little bit concerned. What exactly does that mean? 0:20:03.935 --> 0:20:09.055 Okay, that's a very very good quie. So gosh, I'm 0:20:09.095 --> 0:20:14.015 hoping that I can unpack this reasonably concisely, but I 0:20:14.135 --> 0:20:19.695 probably can't because it does get quite complicated quite quickly. 0:20:21.255 --> 0:20:25.215 So I think we need to take a couple of 0:20:25.215 --> 0:20:28.215 steps back and go. You know, ten fifteen years ago, 0:20:28.415 --> 0:20:32.735 the idea of tiny home sort of emerged, right, and 0:20:33.655 --> 0:20:35.455 from my point of view, I kind of look at 0:20:35.455 --> 0:20:37.135 it and go, I think a lot of it's been 0:20:37.215 --> 0:20:41.015 driven by to some degree, social media and overseas influence. Right. 0:20:41.055 --> 0:20:43.855 So you know, we watch programs from the States where 0:20:44.175 --> 0:20:47.695 tiny home living and someone's got this magnificent field in 0:20:47.775 --> 0:20:50.975 Iowa and they rot, they decide for the simple life, 0:20:50.975 --> 0:20:54.215 and they pick up this massive trailer and they back 0:20:54.255 --> 0:20:56.175 it in there and they build it or it's already 0:20:56.175 --> 0:20:58.295 got a house built on it, and there they are 0:20:58.335 --> 0:21:01.535 with their five children, living in twenty square meters and 0:21:01.535 --> 0:21:03.335 they're going, we love this. And I'm looking at those 0:21:03.335 --> 0:21:06.215 programs going and that just seems like a respect for disaster. 0:21:06.655 --> 0:21:10.895 But anyway, out of that sort of imagery, to some degree, 0:21:11.335 --> 0:21:13.655 we've got this idea of the tiny homesmooth. There's also 0:21:13.695 --> 0:21:18.215 a really practical point of view, which is housing affordability 0:21:18.335 --> 0:21:22.215 has driven us to look for new solutions in terms 0:21:22.215 --> 0:21:25.175 of housing. Lots of people have come to recognize that, 0:21:25.215 --> 0:21:27.415 in fact, I don't need all of the space, right, 0:21:27.855 --> 0:21:30.175 Do I really need four bedrooms if it's just me? 0:21:30.335 --> 0:21:32.295 Do I need three and a half bathrooms if it's 0:21:32.415 --> 0:21:34.775 just me? Et cetera, et cetera. So the idea of 0:21:34.815 --> 0:21:39.415 having compact living makes a lot of sense. However, you know, 0:21:39.535 --> 0:21:42.455 then you run into Okay, if it's a habitable space, 0:21:42.655 --> 0:21:45.375 ie it's designed to live in, then it needs to 0:21:45.455 --> 0:21:51.095 comply with the building code, And the building code isn't 0:21:51.095 --> 0:21:55.055 particularly good at describing small properties, and so suddenly what 0:21:55.295 --> 0:21:58.575 was affordable becomes less affordable because you have to comply 0:21:58.695 --> 0:22:01.135 with the code. And I think some people have looked 0:22:01.215 --> 0:22:04.775 to tiny homes and transportable homes as a way of 0:22:04.815 --> 0:22:08.095 going Actually, it's not a how it's a house on 0:22:08.175 --> 0:22:11.135 a trailer, which makes it a vehicle. Therefore I don't 0:22:11.175 --> 0:22:13.295 need to get a code of compliance for it. And 0:22:13.335 --> 0:22:16.175 then we got into this thing where trailers and wheels 0:22:16.175 --> 0:22:18.175 on it and all the rest of it, and whoever 0:22:18.215 --> 0:22:20.655 you've been talking to, and I've had similar discussions with 0:22:20.695 --> 0:22:24.455 people in this space have made the same comment that okay, 0:22:24.535 --> 0:22:27.575 let's say you opt to kind of circumvent the building 0:22:27.615 --> 0:22:31.935 regulations by getting a structure which is on wheels, and 0:22:31.935 --> 0:22:33.935 then if anyone asks you, did you get a building 0:22:33.935 --> 0:22:36.815 code for that, you go, no, I don't need one 0:22:36.895 --> 0:22:40.415 because it's on wheels, it's transportable. The next question they 0:22:40.415 --> 0:22:42.215 should ask is when are you going to take it 0:22:42.215 --> 0:22:44.455 in for a war on a fitness? And you go, well, 0:22:44.455 --> 0:22:47.255 hang on, I've added a deck, and I've planted around it, 0:22:47.295 --> 0:22:49.975 and I've ripped up the driveway. I can't take this 0:22:50.175 --> 0:22:52.375 in for a war on a fitness. Then you go, okay, 0:22:52.455 --> 0:22:55.335 So now you've got a vehicle that should have a 0:22:55.335 --> 0:22:57.375 war on a fitness which you can't get one. You're 0:22:57.415 --> 0:23:02.055 now breaking another set of rules. So that's kind of 0:23:02.055 --> 0:23:04.415 a sorry, a slightly long winded way of saying this 0:23:04.455 --> 0:23:06.855 is where we're at. And I think the other challenge 0:23:06.855 --> 0:23:10.095 that we have for the tiny home movement in general 0:23:10.255 --> 0:23:12.895 is you still need some land to put it on, 0:23:14.255 --> 0:23:19.895 and you know no one wants to sell you a 0:23:19.975 --> 0:23:23.615 sixty or seventy square meter plot of land or it's 0:23:23.735 --> 0:23:26.255 very rare, right, So you end up having to either 0:23:26.295 --> 0:23:30.575 have a less arrangement or just an informal arrangement with 0:23:30.655 --> 0:23:33.695 someone who happens to have a larger property that can 0:23:33.735 --> 0:23:37.175 accommodate that. And again, I've got people that I know 0:23:37.575 --> 0:23:41.695 who are in exactly that situation. They've got a friend 0:23:41.735 --> 0:23:44.535 who's got some land, They've built a property, they've moved 0:23:44.535 --> 0:23:46.855 it on to there, and the friend has said, you 0:23:46.895 --> 0:23:49.215 can stay here for the rest of your life. Now, 0:23:49.255 --> 0:23:53.375 maybe that'll happen, maybe it won't, because all of our 0:23:53.375 --> 0:23:56.655 lives change and circumstances change. So that's another challenge, for 0:23:57.695 --> 0:24:01.215 want of a better term, the tiny home movement. I 0:24:01.255 --> 0:24:04.335 think what the government is looking at doing is going, okay, 0:24:04.335 --> 0:24:08.255 if we want to provide some solutions to housing affordability, 0:24:08.975 --> 0:24:13.175 do we Because, to be absolutely blunt, my perspective is 0:24:13.455 --> 0:24:17.655 government can't control the building can sense authorities. Because the 0:24:17.655 --> 0:24:22.375 building can central authorities end up taking responsibility for the buildings. 0:24:22.415 --> 0:24:25.615 They risk averse and so they add lots of compliance 0:24:25.735 --> 0:24:30.255 to minimize their risk. Perfectly logical, perfectly understandable, and it's 0:24:30.295 --> 0:24:34.575 all driven by joined in several liability. So government's looking 0:24:34.615 --> 0:24:38.855 for what's a solution. Let's make low risk buildings, single story, 0:24:39.055 --> 0:24:44.735 relatively compact, but having to comply with needs to comply 0:24:44.815 --> 0:24:47.175 with the building code and it needs to comply with 0:24:47.335 --> 0:24:50.375 planning legislation. Now, once you get into that, you run 0:24:50.415 --> 0:24:54.695 into all of these compliance hurdles that people don't expect 0:24:54.775 --> 0:24:58.255 when you first look at it. So that's part of 0:24:58.255 --> 0:25:02.935 the challenge. Then you go, Okay, if someone's building something 0:25:03.015 --> 0:25:04.735 and it has to be to the building code, but 0:25:04.775 --> 0:25:08.495 they don't have a building consent for it, how can 0:25:08.615 --> 0:25:14.575 they prove that it's building code compliant? And so organizations 0:25:14.655 --> 0:25:16.775 like the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys and a 0:25:16.895 --> 0:25:20.295 number of others are saying, look, from our point of view, 0:25:20.295 --> 0:25:22.695 because we work in the space all of the time, 0:25:23.095 --> 0:25:26.935 we're not convinced they probably use stronger language than that. 0:25:26.975 --> 0:25:34.055 We're not convinced that LBPS, certainly di wires could build 0:25:34.095 --> 0:25:38.255 a building and make it code compliant without having a 0:25:38.295 --> 0:25:42.215 set of plans and without having some oversight, So that 0:25:42.415 --> 0:25:45.175 that unpacks a whole other set of problems. 0:25:45.255 --> 0:25:45.455 Right. 0:25:45.935 --> 0:25:49.655 How you know, if I was asked to build a 0:25:49.695 --> 0:25:52.975 fifty square meter building with a shower and a kitchen 0:25:53.255 --> 0:25:57.735 and some bedrooms. Could I build that without having a plan? Possibly? 0:25:58.255 --> 0:26:00.375 And could I make it to the building code? Is 0:26:00.455 --> 0:26:03.415 my you know, and it's a challenge to me. Could 0:26:03.455 --> 0:26:07.175 I build it and make sure that it's absolutely compliant 0:26:07.215 --> 0:26:11.095 to the building Code? I'd say I'd be pretty damn close. 0:26:11.135 --> 0:26:14.055 But I might miss something right, There might be some 0:26:14.175 --> 0:26:16.735 small change to the building code that I hadn't read 0:26:16.775 --> 0:26:21.015 about or wasn't informed about. And so I could, with 0:26:21.055 --> 0:26:23.095 the best will in the world and the best well, 0:26:23.175 --> 0:26:26.215 hopefully a reasonable amount of knowledge, I could build a building. 0:26:27.175 --> 0:26:29.335 But do I know that it's code compliant? And how 0:26:29.375 --> 0:26:31.415 do I know? And what assurance can I offer to 0:26:31.455 --> 0:26:34.055 a client that this building meets the requirements of the 0:26:34.095 --> 0:26:38.975 New Zealand Building Code. So that's another problem. My short 0:26:39.015 --> 0:26:43.015 answer to all of this is and I wonder whether 0:26:43.095 --> 0:26:45.775 this is something that the government might need to look at, right, 0:26:45.855 --> 0:26:48.015 And I'm certainly happy to put it to Chris penk 0:26:48.975 --> 0:26:53.215 Is the types of buildings that they're discussing at the moment, 0:26:53.575 --> 0:26:56.535 that you could build up to sixty square meters, which 0:26:56.575 --> 0:27:01.015 is not an insignificant building right without necessarily getting a 0:27:01.015 --> 0:27:03.215 building consent and without going well, you have to go 0:27:03.215 --> 0:27:06.095 to council to inform council, but council won't be the 0:27:06.095 --> 0:27:11.655 people checking the compliance. I wonder whether that those types 0:27:11.655 --> 0:27:15.735 of buildings, the short pathway would be to say, registered 0:27:15.815 --> 0:27:20.575 and approved manufacturers off site manufacturing, they can do them 0:27:21.055 --> 0:27:25.055 and that's your quick pathway to compliance because typically those 0:27:25.135 --> 0:27:31.455 sorts of organizations have quality control, they've got standardized designs, 0:27:31.535 --> 0:27:35.255 they've got sort of a methodology for building, which allows 0:27:35.295 --> 0:27:38.735 them to replicate what they're doing over and over again. 0:27:38.815 --> 0:27:40.295 You know, if you go to some of these factories 0:27:40.335 --> 0:27:42.655 and there's a unit moving out the door every day, 0:27:43.135 --> 0:27:46.495 chances are they know what they're doing. Right. The thought 0:27:46.495 --> 0:27:49.775 of somebody backing down your driveway with a trailer load 0:27:49.815 --> 0:27:52.935 of four two on the you know, a trailer loaded 0:27:53.015 --> 0:27:57.415 up with four two and they start cutting frames maybe 0:27:57.415 --> 0:27:59.975 a little bit less so so that I'm wondering whether 0:28:00.095 --> 0:28:02.855 if they were looking for a short and sweet answer, 0:28:03.135 --> 0:28:06.615 that'd be the way to go. That existing or new 0:28:06.815 --> 0:28:11.415 manufacturers who can prove their methodology, who can prove that 0:28:11.455 --> 0:28:15.215 they've got a pathway to compliance, who could be audited right, 0:28:16.055 --> 0:28:19.575 and who are replicating things, maybe they're the ones that 0:28:19.655 --> 0:28:24.295 you go you can supply them because I've been in 0:28:24.335 --> 0:28:28.335 those factories, right, and I've seen the level of detail 0:28:28.415 --> 0:28:31.095 and the planning and the methodology and all the rest 0:28:31.095 --> 0:28:33.695 of it. You know, if you're pumping out literally hundreds 0:28:33.775 --> 0:28:38.095 of small dwellings a year, then you've got your processes 0:28:38.135 --> 0:28:41.255 in place. If again, I'll use myself as an example, 0:28:41.295 --> 0:28:43.655 if someone rang and said, or if I decided I 0:28:43.695 --> 0:28:46.815 wanted to do in a backyard, right, I'm going to 0:28:46.815 --> 0:28:48.895 build a sixty square meter dwelling and I'm going to 0:28:48.935 --> 0:28:52.575 do it. Would I do it without a set of plans? 0:28:52.695 --> 0:28:54.775 I probably wouldn't. I think I'd probably end up going 0:28:54.855 --> 0:28:57.695 to a designer and getting a plan, because then it 0:28:57.815 --> 0:29:01.455 helps with pricing and with getting quotes and that sort 0:29:01.495 --> 0:29:03.055 of thing. It's really hard to go to a window 0:29:03.095 --> 0:29:06.055 manufacturer and say, here's my window schedule. If you don't 0:29:06.095 --> 0:29:07.935 have a set of plans, you can do it. You 0:29:07.975 --> 0:29:09.615 can build it and then get them to come out 0:29:09.655 --> 0:29:12.135 and measure it and so on. But there's an efficiency 0:29:12.175 --> 0:29:14.655 to having a set of plans. But you can see 0:29:14.655 --> 0:29:17.735 how you know, and again, I guess, all this is 0:29:17.775 --> 0:29:18.895 the thing, you know, And this is where I have 0:29:18.935 --> 0:29:21.415 some sympathy government. They're all in a position where they're 0:29:21.415 --> 0:29:27.495 looking for quick, simple fixes. There aren't any, right, They're 0:29:27.575 --> 0:29:31.975 just really not there. These things get really complicated really quickly. 0:29:34.215 --> 0:29:39.335 So but sorry to lecture you on these sorts of things. 0:29:39.415 --> 0:29:42.335 It's something I'm really interested, and you know, I love 0:29:42.375 --> 0:29:45.175 having these conversations with people about it, and I actually 0:29:45.215 --> 0:29:48.735 think the idea of loosening up regulation to allow granny 0:29:48.735 --> 0:29:54.575 flats has the potential to be I don't know if 0:29:54.575 --> 0:29:58.455 it'll move the dial a lot, but it's I'm an 0:29:58.455 --> 0:30:00.295 optimist and I get a sense that it's a step 0:30:00.335 --> 0:30:03.455 in the right direction. And I tell you what. Another 0:30:03.495 --> 0:30:05.975 conversation I had this week was with some people involved 0:30:05.975 --> 0:30:10.895 in proper management and rentals. The whole thing around will 0:30:10.935 --> 0:30:13.135 you be able to rent one out to someone who's 0:30:13.175 --> 0:30:15.895 not a family member. That hasn't even been discussed, because 0:30:15.935 --> 0:30:19.015 again we have to understand what the history is behind 0:30:19.055 --> 0:30:22.935 granny flats and so literally it does what it says 0:30:23.015 --> 0:30:26.015 on the tin right. The idea behind them, as I 0:30:26.095 --> 0:30:28.335 understand it, is that you had a plot of land, 0:30:28.375 --> 0:30:31.375 you had the family home. Over time, perhaps you know 0:30:31.415 --> 0:30:34.415 the people that built the home decided that well, actually 0:30:34.415 --> 0:30:36.455 we don't need all the space the kids have moved out, 0:30:36.455 --> 0:30:38.175 and in fact maybe the kids would like to come 0:30:38.215 --> 0:30:41.255 back in with their young family. We'd like to stay close. 0:30:41.415 --> 0:30:44.775 How about we move into a little dwelling in the backyard. Right, 0:30:44.815 --> 0:30:48.055 that's as I understand it, that's the theory behind it. 0:30:49.015 --> 0:30:53.055 In which case it's family, right, it's not rent. Now 0:30:53.095 --> 0:30:55.575 as soon as it becomes someone who's not family and 0:30:55.655 --> 0:30:59.255 they're occupying it and potentially they're paying the owner of 0:30:59.295 --> 0:31:02.895 the original property some money and rent, then the building 0:31:02.975 --> 0:31:07.455 needs to comply with Healthy home standards for a start. Absolutely, 0:31:07.655 --> 0:31:10.495 buildings that are built to the Building Code don't necessarily 0:31:10.655 --> 0:31:14.535 comply with the Healthy Home standard. I want the hell 0:31:15.215 --> 0:31:19.335 exactly well. And without going into this a lot, the 0:31:19.375 --> 0:31:23.095 simple thing about that is in the New Zealand Building 0:31:23.135 --> 0:31:25.895 Code right now you can build a brand new house 0:31:25.935 --> 0:31:29.615 and you don't have to put in heating all right, 0:31:29.655 --> 0:31:32.455 So New Zealand houses to comply with the Building Code 0:31:32.535 --> 0:31:37.055 do not need heating. The one thing that's very important 0:31:37.095 --> 0:31:39.895 with the Healthy Home standard is you must provide a 0:31:39.935 --> 0:31:42.495 fixed form of heating and a living space that allows 0:31:42.535 --> 0:31:44.295 you to get that to eighteen degrees and you have 0:31:44.335 --> 0:31:47.295 to prove that it can do that, which is the 0:31:47.335 --> 0:31:50.415 heating standard. So you build a brand new sixty square 0:31:50.415 --> 0:31:53.055 meter dwelling in your backyard, you decide to rent it out, 0:31:53.295 --> 0:31:55.135 and the first thing that happens is someone does a 0:31:55.175 --> 0:32:03.535 healthy homes assessment goes, no heating, can't rent it. Look 0:32:03.895 --> 0:32:08.095 I I you know I wouldn't. I can see the 0:32:08.175 --> 0:32:15.175 challenges in being a legislator. So but and you know 0:32:15.215 --> 0:32:18.175 even what you're talking about in your instance right where 0:32:18.255 --> 0:32:20.895 you could potentially do some work on your property to 0:32:20.975 --> 0:32:24.215 expand it. But an alternative is to go, why don't 0:32:24.215 --> 0:32:27.535 I get an off site manufactured minor dwelling added to 0:32:27.895 --> 0:32:31.015 space in the backyard, And then I'll connect the two. 0:32:31.095 --> 0:32:33.455 So the first thing that jumps to mind is the 0:32:33.495 --> 0:32:36.615 building needs to be the height of the building away 0:32:36.655 --> 0:32:40.255 from your existing house. So you can't put it a 0:32:40.295 --> 0:32:42.615 meter away from your house and have a little awning 0:32:43.375 --> 0:32:46.095 that gives you some shelter. If the building's going to 0:32:46.095 --> 0:32:49.335 be two point four plus the foundation, so three probably 0:32:49.375 --> 0:32:52.175 three point two meters, it's got to be three point 0:32:52.175 --> 0:32:56.735 two meters away from your existing building. Why because that's 0:32:56.815 --> 0:33:01.175 the rules around minor dwellings, right, So they have to 0:33:01.175 --> 0:33:03.455 be the height of the building away from the boundary 0:33:03.615 --> 0:33:06.095 or proximity to an existing dwelling. 0:33:07.175 --> 0:33:08.655 That's the height of the cabin or. 0:33:08.615 --> 0:33:13.055 The height of the cabin. Yes, ah, yeah, so that's there. 0:33:13.255 --> 0:33:15.055 The cans are quite small. 0:33:15.775 --> 0:33:18.335 Often that's why they're quite small. The other thing is 0:33:18.455 --> 0:33:20.735 often when you really look at it, they're in the 0:33:20.775 --> 0:33:24.815 wrong place. And I could go straight to a property 0:33:24.815 --> 0:33:29.175 today and find a cabin sleep out that's been added 0:33:29.215 --> 0:33:31.935 to the back of a property that's in the wrong place. Right, 0:33:32.015 --> 0:33:36.815 it's too close to the boundary. Oh and I reckon, 0:33:37.135 --> 0:33:39.495 I don't know, eighty percent will probably end up in 0:33:39.535 --> 0:33:39.975 the wrong. 0:33:39.815 --> 0:33:45.055 Place, but that those cabins have the ability to be 0:33:45.535 --> 0:33:48.255 moved if the neighbor. 0:33:48.375 --> 0:33:54.175 Possibly possibly Yeah, hey, look it's it's a. 0:33:53.615 --> 0:33:55.495 What a mine field exactly. 0:33:55.535 --> 0:33:58.375 And I don't want to put you off, but I 0:33:58.415 --> 0:34:03.935 think unfortunately you know no, But in these situations like 0:34:04.015 --> 0:34:09.215 we're you know it, it's easy. Again, I'm respectful of government, right, 0:34:09.335 --> 0:34:12.655 so I know they're heading in the right direction. And 0:34:12.655 --> 0:34:15.415 and but I think that once you make an announcement 0:34:15.495 --> 0:34:16.935 like this, we're going to make it easier to build 0:34:16.975 --> 0:34:20.655 sixty square meters. And then people that know go, hang on, 0:34:20.815 --> 0:34:24.015 what about dot dot dot dot dot dot dot, and 0:34:24.255 --> 0:34:26.895 and then suddenly we're into a much bigger discussion. 0:34:28.215 --> 0:34:33.455 So just to clarify, the Council has the by law 0:34:34.815 --> 0:34:39.935 or regulate the building of and sets all the regulations 0:34:39.975 --> 0:34:42.015 about how something should be built. 0:34:43.935 --> 0:34:45.375 Homes, Yes, go on. 0:34:46.335 --> 0:34:49.055 The Healthy Homes is a government initiative. 0:34:49.535 --> 0:34:52.335 Yeah, And it's administered through Tendency Services right. 0:34:53.415 --> 0:34:55.135 And the builders. 0:34:56.495 --> 0:35:00.255 There there LV, but they're licensed. 0:35:00.735 --> 0:35:05.815 The Licensed Building Practitioner scheme is administered through inmby basically another. 0:35:05.535 --> 0:35:13.055 Government's part three competing organizations. When it comes to considering 0:35:13.295 --> 0:35:20.775 how we're going to put together these these alternative accommodation 0:35:21.455 --> 0:35:26.335 and exactly, I myself would much prefer to see properties 0:35:26.375 --> 0:35:29.375 with a grainy slat on it as opposed to, oh, 0:35:29.455 --> 0:35:31.495 we can't afford to live here any longer, so let's 0:35:31.495 --> 0:35:35.295 sell it to a developer who'll put five townhouses. And 0:35:35.415 --> 0:35:40.455 some of them have been have been absolutely a disaster 0:35:40.575 --> 0:35:44.335 to look at. And I just you know, especially in 0:35:44.375 --> 0:35:50.215 the nicer areas, lovely granny fat and lovely manicured garden 0:35:50.455 --> 0:35:51.295 is the way to go. 0:35:51.535 --> 0:35:55.895 If you ask me, I would probably disagree with you 0:35:56.735 --> 0:36:00.215 that I think that we that I think intensification is 0:36:00.335 --> 0:36:04.535 necessary in urban environments. I think it should be well done. 0:36:04.975 --> 0:36:07.735 You know, there's there's nothing more painful than looking at 0:36:07.775 --> 0:36:09.695 a poorly, poorly executed building. 0:36:09.775 --> 0:36:09.895 Right. 0:36:10.015 --> 0:36:12.935 So there are some developments which are terrible. One of 0:36:13.255 --> 0:36:14.855 I was in christ Church a couple of weeks ago, 0:36:14.855 --> 0:36:16.935 and one of the things that struck me just being 0:36:17.015 --> 0:36:19.935 in the inner city, right in the CBD, was the 0:36:20.375 --> 0:36:22.575 sort of the pepper potting of what I thought were 0:36:22.735 --> 0:36:27.615 really attractive residential developments, you know, medium density, three stories, 0:36:27.935 --> 0:36:30.535 quite compact, but they were right in the city, and 0:36:30.615 --> 0:36:32.695 the ones that I saw were really attractive, and I 0:36:32.775 --> 0:36:35.975 think that's a really good model for development, you know, 0:36:36.655 --> 0:36:39.815 allowing developers to find a section down the end of 0:36:39.895 --> 0:36:42.575 a right of way, twenty minute walk from a bus 0:36:42.655 --> 0:36:45.255 stop and pull off an old house and wack on 0:36:45.375 --> 0:36:48.415 six townhouses. I think that's not good development, right, That 0:36:48.855 --> 0:36:51.695 doesn't make sense. So I think that's what you're saying. 0:36:51.735 --> 0:36:53.935 But I'm saying that if we do it well, I 0:36:54.015 --> 0:36:57.575 think it's great. I've loved talking with you. Happy Easter 0:36:57.735 --> 0:37:01.815 to you. Thank you very much, and hopefully we'll talk again. 0:37:02.015 --> 0:37:05.815 You take care, see then bye way your news talks CDB. 0:37:05.895 --> 0:37:09.375 We're talking all things building construction, and I as I do, 0:37:09.495 --> 0:37:13.295 apologize for the kind of lecture or exegesis on tiny holmes, 0:37:13.375 --> 0:37:16.975 but I find it it's a fascinating discussion at the moment, 0:37:17.095 --> 0:37:22.535 and from my point of view, I think it's what's 0:37:22.575 --> 0:37:24.455 that phrase, The devil is always in the detail? 0:37:24.575 --> 0:37:24.695 Right? 0:37:24.895 --> 0:37:28.375 So you know we I suppose government is all governments, 0:37:28.415 --> 0:37:33.535 regardless of their stripe, want to make bold statements going 0:37:33.655 --> 0:37:37.135 I've found the solution, and typically when they do, it 0:37:37.335 --> 0:37:41.055 gets unpicked by the detail. And I think this government 0:37:41.135 --> 0:37:43.735 finds itself in a similar situation where this is what 0:37:43.855 --> 0:37:46.415 we want to do, but then we're running into all 0:37:46.495 --> 0:37:50.295 of these these layers upon layers of complexity. Is there 0:37:50.335 --> 0:37:52.095 a way around it? Well, we'll find out this morning 0:37:52.135 --> 0:37:54.335 on the show, won't we six forty three or almost 0:37:54.375 --> 0:37:56.215 six forty four? Here a new sort seed B. Well, 0:37:56.255 --> 0:37:58.055 thanks for holding and good morning. 0:37:58.895 --> 0:37:59.375 Good morning. 0:37:59.455 --> 0:37:59.695 How are you? 0:37:59.895 --> 0:38:00.095 Yeah? 0:38:00.215 --> 0:38:00.935 Very well, thanks Will. 0:38:02.015 --> 0:38:04.815 I'm just going to my radio, go for it. 0:38:07.975 --> 0:38:10.175 Is there, yeah, go go yeah. 0:38:11.535 --> 0:38:15.415 I live in an old woolshed, right, yes. 0:38:15.575 --> 0:38:15.655 S. 0:38:17.295 --> 0:38:23.335 And my garage door is broken down and that's actually 0:38:23.455 --> 0:38:27.295 broken completely and I can't seem to find a replacement 0:38:27.375 --> 0:38:33.455 because it's maybe built in sixties or seventies, yep, And 0:38:33.615 --> 0:38:37.055 I was just wondering do you have any suggestions. 0:38:36.495 --> 0:38:42.375 On a replacement or when you say, you know, like 0:38:42.455 --> 0:38:45.255 the shed door, is it a sliding door, is it 0:38:45.375 --> 0:38:48.335 a tilted door, Is it sort of an opening door 0:38:48.415 --> 0:38:49.255 that's on hinges. 0:38:50.295 --> 0:38:51.335 No, it's a rolling door. 0:38:51.495 --> 0:38:54.415 It's a roller door. Look, roller doors are still around. 0:38:54.615 --> 0:38:58.695 I price some up just the other day. So what 0:38:58.855 --> 0:39:02.495 you might find is that the hardware isn't suitable, let's say, 0:39:02.655 --> 0:39:06.655 just to replace like for like, so the actual for 0:39:06.735 --> 0:39:09.575 one of them or the roller Often what you'll have 0:39:09.775 --> 0:39:12.855 is you've got the door jam trimmed out on the inside. 0:39:12.895 --> 0:39:15.415 You'll have a U channel that the door slides down 0:39:15.495 --> 0:39:18.015 in at the top of that, some great big, hefty 0:39:18.295 --> 0:39:21.015 L brackets that are bolted into the framing, and then 0:39:21.095 --> 0:39:23.495 the axle of the roller door sits on top of that. 0:39:23.735 --> 0:39:27.215 So often they can be you could get one made 0:39:27.375 --> 0:39:30.415 to exactly the right size, or it might be cheaper 0:39:30.575 --> 0:39:35.415 to have one buy one that's around the same size, 0:39:35.455 --> 0:39:38.015 and then you just have to adjust the fittings for 0:39:38.215 --> 0:39:42.095 it as well. But certainly roller doors are common. They're 0:39:42.135 --> 0:39:44.095 still common, so they're out there. 0:39:44.935 --> 0:39:48.535 I'd looked on trade men. I couldn't find anything much. 0:39:48.935 --> 0:39:51.295 A yeah, but then you're trying to find something at 0:39:51.335 --> 0:39:53.495 secondhand or something like that, and maybe you just need 0:39:53.575 --> 0:39:56.495 to be patient, but certainly if you wanted to go. 0:39:57.215 --> 0:40:00.015 Actually I did it, not that long ago, but not 0:40:00.175 --> 0:40:04.135 recently either, where a couple of existing sheds from the 0:40:04.215 --> 0:40:08.255 nineteen seventies garages had doors that were kind of on 0:40:08.375 --> 0:40:10.575 a track system. And it's all getting a bit clumbersome. 0:40:10.935 --> 0:40:12.735 So I got some guys in that I know, and 0:40:12.975 --> 0:40:16.335 they priced up replacement roller doors, no trouble at all 0:40:16.415 --> 0:40:20.575 to an existing opening, so and they weren't terribly expensive, 0:40:20.615 --> 0:40:22.495 but they were only small, single ones. So if yours 0:40:22.575 --> 0:40:26.855 is taller or wider, it will get expensive. Can I 0:40:26.895 --> 0:40:29.575 ask you a question you can not to answer this? 0:40:30.695 --> 0:40:33.135 The wool shed that you're living in. Is that you're 0:40:33.215 --> 0:40:35.295 own dwelling or do you rent it from someone? 0:40:36.735 --> 0:40:37.855 It's on my family phone? 0:40:38.055 --> 0:40:40.695 Okay, perfect, all right, No, No, I just you know, 0:40:40.855 --> 0:40:43.455 given the long discussion we had with Caroline just before 0:40:44.055 --> 0:40:47.055 around you know, compliance and healthy homes legislation and all 0:40:47.095 --> 0:40:53.295 the rest of it, I'm just intrigued by your own 0:40:53.375 --> 0:40:56.175 circumstance in terms of you know, do you pay rent 0:40:56.255 --> 0:40:59.375 on that, do you own it? Who's Because every now 0:40:59.415 --> 0:41:02.255 and then you see these stories where counsel decide that 0:41:02.495 --> 0:41:04.735 they don't like the fact that someone's living in an 0:41:04.775 --> 0:41:06.975 old building, and so they'll issue them with a notice 0:41:07.175 --> 0:41:09.415 to fix and then if they don't fix it, they'll 0:41:09.455 --> 0:41:13.535 come and forcibly evict people and those sorts of things. 0:41:13.615 --> 0:41:15.735 So I was just intrigued when you said you lived 0:41:15.775 --> 0:41:18.815 in a woolshed, because, with the greatest respect to the woolshed, 0:41:18.895 --> 0:41:22.175 I'm sure it's not Healthy Homes compliant, nor would it 0:41:22.215 --> 0:41:23.695 be anywhere close to the building code. 0:41:23.735 --> 0:41:25.695 But no, I think that is. 0:41:26.535 --> 0:41:31.215 We considered it right too flats years ago. 0:41:32.135 --> 0:41:34.175 So it's lined on the inside and it's got proper 0:41:34.215 --> 0:41:38.615 flooring and it's not gapped, and okay, awesome, awesome, But 0:41:38.775 --> 0:41:42.455 look in terms of the roller door. In terms of 0:41:42.455 --> 0:41:45.255 the roller door, you might have to go for a 0:41:45.375 --> 0:41:49.015 new one and someone could come out measure the width 0:41:49.095 --> 0:41:51.535 and the drop and make your door that will simply 0:41:51.935 --> 0:41:56.495 slot in. So I think you will find one. It's 0:41:56.535 --> 0:42:00.175 probably not that many manufacturers roller doors in a new build. 0:42:00.175 --> 0:42:01.655 I don't think I've seen one go into a new 0:42:01.695 --> 0:42:05.855 build for quite a while, but they're still around without 0:42:05.895 --> 0:42:07.975 a doubt. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 0:42:08.055 --> 0:42:08.735 the number to call. 0:42:09.975 --> 0:42:11.535 News Talk said, be extra. 0:42:12.015 --> 0:42:14.775 It's the age old problem with consultation. You see it 0:42:14.855 --> 0:42:17.255 with cycle ways and councils. And I've spoken about this 0:42:17.375 --> 0:42:19.295 before because it's a pet peeve of mind. But only 0:42:19.375 --> 0:42:21.815 those people who really love to get on a bike 0:42:22.015 --> 0:42:24.815 bother to turn up and make an oral submission. Everyone 0:42:24.855 --> 0:42:27.215 else is too busy and stuck in traffic getting to work. 0:42:28.175 --> 0:42:31.895 So the fact this bill has failed doesn't mean it 0:42:31.935 --> 0:42:35.295 will fail if put to the public. The biggest issue 0:42:35.335 --> 0:42:38.335 here for Seymour I reckon is timing. The treaty question 0:42:38.535 --> 0:42:42.495 isn't question is an existential one. It's a largely theoretical one. 0:42:43.095 --> 0:42:46.335 Trying to have this debate during the worst recession in 0:42:46.535 --> 0:42:50.375 thirty years and coming off the back of sky high inflation. 0:42:50.455 --> 0:42:53.455 It's just bad timing. People want their government talking about 0:42:53.575 --> 0:42:57.575 mortgage rates, not race. One day, the time might come, 0:42:57.775 --> 0:43:00.095 the moment might be right and we can afford to 0:43:00.175 --> 0:43:04.055 confront this issue, which given the number of submission, clearly 0:43:04.175 --> 0:43:06.255 has a fair whack of us rather excess. 0:43:06.375 --> 0:43:11.735 Sorry that was a news Talk Zibby Extra News Talk Extra. 0:43:11.935 --> 0:43:13.215 What am I going to do it at that blowply, 0:43:16.775 --> 0:43:18.775 I'll do it live hold your horses to bring the 0:43:18.855 --> 0:43:19.695 microphone round. 0:43:21.295 --> 0:43:21.975 Nothing better than that. 0:43:22.095 --> 0:43:22.935 It's coming around. 0:43:23.615 --> 0:43:25.135 I'll talk you through at the blowfly. 0:43:25.455 --> 0:43:25.935 Expect. 0:43:26.815 --> 0:43:30.055 I've got quite a long me on the microphone. So 0:43:30.135 --> 0:43:34.615 I've spun the angle poised microphone right round. So now 0:43:34.615 --> 0:43:36.935 I'm going to open the door and I'm gonna switch 0:43:37.015 --> 0:43:39.775 the light off in one foul move. Okay, this is 0:43:39.815 --> 0:43:40.895 the light switch going off. 0:43:43.535 --> 0:43:44.015 Lights off. 0:43:44.175 --> 0:43:45.015 I've opened the door. 0:43:46.295 --> 0:43:50.055 Out you get, mate, Yeah, yo, out you get I'll 0:43:50.095 --> 0:43:51.855 throw something. I'll throw something near it. 0:43:53.415 --> 0:43:57.615 Actually get mate, Come on, i'ven't got time to really 0:43:57.655 --> 0:44:04.095 Denny with you for a show in the glass window. 0:44:04.735 --> 0:44:06.375 Actually get toy. 0:44:07.415 --> 0:44:09.775 That was a news talk zby Extra. 0:44:12.535 --> 0:44:15.455 Right own News Talk SB ten minutes away from seven 0:44:17.295 --> 0:44:21.495 oh quick text two quick sexts. To be fair regarding 0:44:21.535 --> 0:44:24.535 Chris Pink, politicians are usually well healed and consequently look 0:44:24.575 --> 0:44:26.575 out for business, not the little guy. We've had leaky 0:44:26.615 --> 0:44:29.135 buildings and now poorly built apartments, robbing people of their 0:44:29.175 --> 0:44:31.375 homes but leaving them with huge mortgages. Please ask the 0:44:31.455 --> 0:44:34.295 minister what safeguards will be in place for neighbors and 0:44:34.335 --> 0:44:38.575 subsequent purchases who don't have I'm just reading the text 0:44:38.615 --> 0:44:42.055 out his deep pockets to research and litigate. Regards from Owen. 0:44:42.975 --> 0:44:45.135 I don't know that that's completely true of politicians, but 0:44:45.255 --> 0:44:50.735 I'm happy to put that question forward. And Andrea texts, 0:44:50.895 --> 0:44:53.135 how come a minor dwelling has to be its height 0:44:53.175 --> 0:44:56.375 away from the boundary. However a developer can put in 0:44:56.695 --> 0:45:00.055 multiple story buildings right up onto the boundary. It's because 0:45:00.055 --> 0:45:04.335 the developer has gone and got planning permission and building consent. Right, 0:45:04.855 --> 0:45:07.455 So all of this talk around mind and dwellings not 0:45:07.615 --> 0:45:11.455 necessarily requiring building consent, then potter in a series of 0:45:11.495 --> 0:45:15.455 safeguards around that. And as I understand it, or my 0:45:15.575 --> 0:45:18.375 interpretation of it, is, if you allow someone to build 0:45:18.415 --> 0:45:24.015 a building without a building consent, and then you're reliant 0:45:24.135 --> 0:45:27.655 on their skill ability technical knowledge to ensure that it 0:45:27.695 --> 0:45:31.295 doesn't fall over. So a really simple safety method is 0:45:31.375 --> 0:45:33.535 to ensure that if it does fall over, it's not 0:45:33.575 --> 0:45:36.855 going to fall on anything anybody else's property, Hence moving 0:45:36.935 --> 0:45:39.495 it the height of the building away from the boundary. 0:45:39.775 --> 0:45:41.535 If it falls over, it's still going to be on 0:45:41.615 --> 0:45:43.975 your property. That's where I think that legislation comes from. 0:45:44.055 --> 0:45:47.455 All that planning regulation comes from Steve. Good morning to you. 0:45:49.215 --> 0:45:50.895 Yeah, good morning Hull, very well. 0:45:50.975 --> 0:45:51.215 Thanks. 0:45:52.215 --> 0:45:52.375 Hey. 0:45:53.095 --> 0:45:54.815 I've just got a car forward at my place and 0:45:54.855 --> 0:45:57.055 i'd like to I like to tear it down because 0:45:57.055 --> 0:45:59.415 it's become like a bit of a liability. It was 0:45:59.455 --> 0:46:03.215 built back in the seventies and it's just yeah, falling 0:46:03.295 --> 0:46:06.495 over it's going on today. So I want to want 0:46:06.535 --> 0:46:09.895 to replace it. But I'm in the convenient position of 0:46:10.055 --> 0:46:12.575 being a fit of welder so I can. 0:46:12.615 --> 0:46:13.335 Actually do it. 0:46:14.215 --> 0:46:18.855 Whereas you know, modern modern yes practices and using steel. 0:46:19.655 --> 0:46:22.655 Do I need to get consent to change the design 0:46:23.015 --> 0:46:23.455 that much? 0:46:26.895 --> 0:46:30.095 It's it's an it could let's err on the side 0:46:30.255 --> 0:46:33.255 of let's have a go, right. So if it's there, 0:46:33.615 --> 0:46:37.415 and it might be, did it get a building consent 0:46:37.535 --> 0:46:38.215 in the first place? 0:46:38.255 --> 0:46:38.535 Do you know? 0:46:38.855 --> 0:46:40.855 Probably not a I had a. 0:46:40.895 --> 0:46:42.975 Bit of a look around on e docs and there's 0:46:43.135 --> 0:46:46.055 nothing about the design of the car work, just as 0:46:46.095 --> 0:46:47.815 it says it has a car work. 0:46:48.015 --> 0:46:51.135 Okay, and its location is plotted on a on a 0:46:51.535 --> 0:46:56.255 site plant that shows its location. Not even that okay, 0:46:56.375 --> 0:47:00.255 all right, Look I how big is it? Roughly? 0:47:01.175 --> 0:47:03.495 It would be keen by five. 0:47:04.055 --> 0:47:07.055 Okay, so fifty square meters. So right now, the legislation 0:47:07.335 --> 0:47:09.335 allows you to build a carport of up to I 0:47:09.375 --> 0:47:13.415 think it's forty square meters without necessarily requiring a building consent. 0:47:13.535 --> 0:47:16.095 But then it triggers all of those other rules, like 0:47:16.255 --> 0:47:17.935 it needs to be the height of the building away 0:47:17.975 --> 0:47:22.375 from the boundary or an adjacent property or adjacent dwelling. 0:47:22.495 --> 0:47:25.135 So in your situation, I suspect that if it's let's 0:47:25.135 --> 0:47:29.055 say three meters high, it's probably not three meters from 0:47:29.055 --> 0:47:29.575 the boundary. 0:47:30.975 --> 0:47:34.095 No, it's two hundred mile from the boundary. 0:47:34.295 --> 0:47:39.095 Okay, all right, So even if you were to the 0:47:39.215 --> 0:47:42.215 only way that you could possibly do it and kind 0:47:42.255 --> 0:47:44.095 of stay on the right side of the law is 0:47:44.175 --> 0:47:48.015 if you said it's repairs and maintenance, I e. It's 0:47:48.215 --> 0:47:50.295 like for like, I'm going to keep it the same 0:47:50.415 --> 0:47:54.375 size and the same location, but over a period of time, 0:47:54.495 --> 0:47:56.095 I'm going to change the post, Then I'm going to 0:47:56.175 --> 0:47:58.095 change the beam, Then I'm going to change the perlin, 0:47:58.135 --> 0:48:00.735 then I'm going to change the roofing, and effectively you 0:48:00.895 --> 0:48:03.775 rebuild it in the same location. I think you would 0:48:03.815 --> 0:48:07.775 have an argument to say it's basically repairs and maintenance. 0:48:07.895 --> 0:48:11.255 If you knock it down completely all in one go 0:48:11.455 --> 0:48:14.175 and rebuild it, technically you should have a building consent 0:48:14.335 --> 0:48:17.895 because of its proximity to the boundary A right. Yeah, 0:48:19.135 --> 0:48:21.735 And I hope people don't get the impression that somehow 0:48:21.775 --> 0:48:23.935 I think that, you know, getting a building consent is 0:48:24.375 --> 0:48:28.135 not worthwhile. I actually think that, And this is part 0:48:28.175 --> 0:48:30.455 of this discussion. It was about the tiny homes, it's 0:48:30.495 --> 0:48:33.935 about non buildings that don't necessarily need consent. Is that 0:48:34.775 --> 0:48:37.335 you know, you might find that if you have some 0:48:37.575 --> 0:48:41.655 plans drawn and submitted to counsel and then they go 0:48:41.815 --> 0:48:45.535 on to the property record, that you could consider the 0:48:45.615 --> 0:48:48.335 cost of that an investment in the value of your 0:48:48.375 --> 0:48:52.015 property because you're able to say to a prospective purchaser 0:48:52.055 --> 0:48:56.175 in the future, here's an assurance that this building work 0:48:56.295 --> 0:48:58.975 is compliant because I got a building code and I 0:48:59.055 --> 0:49:01.455 got a final inspection and I got a CCC for 0:49:01.535 --> 0:49:03.535 it at the end of it. So I think we 0:49:03.655 --> 0:49:07.735 do need to I think we do need to recognize 0:49:07.775 --> 0:49:10.575 there is a real value in having a building consent 0:49:10.695 --> 0:49:14.575 and a building code. But it is an investment, right, 0:49:14.775 --> 0:49:17.295 or it's a cost if you're looking at it negatively. 0:49:17.415 --> 0:49:19.215 It's an investment if you're trying to be a little 0:49:19.215 --> 0:49:21.375 bit positive about it. But I think for what you 0:49:21.495 --> 0:49:24.615 want to build, I admire the fact that you're prepared 0:49:24.655 --> 0:49:27.255 to be reasonable about it, knock it down before it 0:49:27.335 --> 0:49:31.135 falls down. But I think that from a technical point 0:49:31.175 --> 0:49:33.095 of view, it does require a building consent. 0:49:34.095 --> 0:49:36.975 Yeah, I guess the concern would be like, if I 0:49:37.055 --> 0:49:39.495 get consent, then they're going to want engineering, And if 0:49:39.535 --> 0:49:41.695 they want engineering, they're going to look at what's in 0:49:41.775 --> 0:49:44.255 the block and being built into guarantees. Is a good 0:49:44.335 --> 0:49:46.095 chance not all the blocks were. 0:49:46.055 --> 0:49:49.455 Filled, and so in that case, if you've got an 0:49:49.495 --> 0:49:54.455 existing block wall on the boundary, you know, and then 0:49:54.495 --> 0:49:56.295 it's an open structure from there. 0:49:58.295 --> 0:50:00.295 Where it's attached to the house currently. 0:50:00.895 --> 0:50:06.095 Right, Okay, Look, I would off the record just between 0:50:06.135 --> 0:50:08.855 you and I would probably look at it as repairs 0:50:08.895 --> 0:50:11.295 and maintenance. I'd leave the block wall in place, I'd 0:50:11.415 --> 0:50:17.015 replace whatever structures are unsound and do that as repairs 0:50:17.055 --> 0:50:17.575 and maintenance. 0:50:18.495 --> 0:50:19.615 Yeah, right, that makes sense. 0:50:19.815 --> 0:50:20.015 Yeah. 0:50:20.335 --> 0:50:22.255 All the best is Stephen, Thanks again for waiting, really 0:50:22.295 --> 0:50:24.615 appreciate it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 0:50:24.735 --> 0:50:27.735 the number. Call John, quick question from you before the break. 0:50:27.815 --> 0:50:28.455 How are you John? 0:50:29.535 --> 0:50:29.695 Good? 0:50:29.775 --> 0:50:30.095 Thanks? 0:50:30.655 --> 0:50:34.855 My question is about the margin builders can charge on subcontractors. 0:50:36.455 --> 0:50:38.855 Quest you know there's no rules. 0:50:40.815 --> 0:50:42.055 Okay, Well, why. 0:50:41.975 --> 0:50:44.655 Do they get to charge a margin anyway? Because they're 0:50:44.695 --> 0:50:48.295 being paid for supervision, so why should they be part 0:50:48.335 --> 0:50:50.895 of charge a margin on the RUFA? 0:50:51.135 --> 0:50:54.695 And because in the contract that you've got with them, 0:50:54.815 --> 0:50:57.055 that's part of their contract and you've agreed to it. 0:50:57.295 --> 0:50:59.415 So if you don't agree to it, then find a 0:50:59.455 --> 0:51:04.335 contractor who doesn't charge margin. Right, Okay, So, and I'm 0:51:04.375 --> 0:51:07.935 not being flippant. I'm just saying that, you know, to 0:51:08.015 --> 0:51:10.775 the best of my knowledge, there are actually no specific 0:51:10.895 --> 0:51:14.255 rules around it. It's become common practice. There's a good 0:51:14.375 --> 0:51:18.015 rationale behind it. You know, if they are administering all 0:51:18.055 --> 0:51:20.815 of the contracts and they're responsible for the timing and 0:51:20.895 --> 0:51:24.455 so on, then I guess as a way of being 0:51:24.495 --> 0:51:27.375 reimbursed for that time, they could charge a margin. Now 0:51:27.895 --> 0:51:30.015 I think your argument is that, hang on, I'm already 0:51:30.095 --> 0:51:32.855 paying them to run the job. Why do I then 0:51:33.175 --> 0:51:36.335 need to add a margin? But for example, if they're 0:51:36.375 --> 0:51:39.655 responsible for paying the person, they are responsible for paying 0:51:39.695 --> 0:51:42.015 them even if you don't get paid, right, So if 0:51:42.095 --> 0:51:44.295 you decide not to pay your main contractor. But the 0:51:44.415 --> 0:51:47.495 roofer has a contract with your builder to do the roofing. 0:51:48.175 --> 0:51:51.855 Your builders on the hook for the work. Right, So 0:51:51.975 --> 0:51:53.695 that's a way of covering their risk. 0:51:54.975 --> 0:51:57.295 Yeah, okay, so way around there. So I'll pay the 0:51:57.535 --> 0:51:58.255 roofer directly. 0:51:59.415 --> 0:52:01.855 You could do that. That's one way of doing it. 0:52:01.935 --> 0:52:03.935 The other way of doing it is that you say, well, look, 0:52:04.375 --> 0:52:08.775 i'll run those people. And I've I haven't done a 0:52:08.775 --> 0:52:10.375 lot of work with clients who do that, but I 0:52:10.495 --> 0:52:15.255 know people who do. But then I'm very strong on 0:52:15.375 --> 0:52:17.295 this in the sense that I think if you, as 0:52:17.375 --> 0:52:19.255 the owner of the property, decide that you're going to 0:52:19.775 --> 0:52:22.295 do more of the project management, and I turn up 0:52:22.335 --> 0:52:24.415 one day as the builder and you haven't got the 0:52:24.495 --> 0:52:26.615 materials or you've got the wrong materials, I'm going to 0:52:26.735 --> 0:52:29.855 charge you for my time regardless, and you're going to go. 0:52:29.935 --> 0:52:31.775 But hang on, you you can't do any work. I 0:52:31.815 --> 0:52:34.095 can't do any work because you're not organized. So if 0:52:34.135 --> 0:52:36.215 you want to take on that risk, have a go. 0:52:36.575 --> 0:52:40.935 But you know it's it's a significant risk. No right, 0:52:41.455 --> 0:52:44.575 looks it's just in the it's whatever you contract with. 0:52:45.055 --> 0:52:47.895 There are no rules, right, as best I understand it. 0:52:47.975 --> 0:52:50.655 So it's whatever you contract And so. 0:52:50.735 --> 0:52:51.415 What's a range. 0:52:51.535 --> 0:52:52.695 What's a reasonable range? 0:52:53.095 --> 0:52:57.695 Oh, look, I think most commonly, I think it's around 0:52:57.735 --> 0:53:01.975 the twelve the ten to twelve fifteen percent, right, I 0:53:02.095 --> 0:53:04.895 think much more than that, and you'd probably want to 0:53:05.015 --> 0:53:09.855 question it. You know, potentially it could be less than that. 0:53:10.935 --> 0:53:15.535 Yeah, again, less less on on things that you know 0:53:15.615 --> 0:53:17.975 are going to go out, like a groof where the 0:53:18.055 --> 0:53:19.495 guy is not going to do the work, he's just 0:53:19.615 --> 0:53:22.575 going to supervise it or you know, make sure it 0:53:22.655 --> 0:53:25.375 works with the rest of the building. So what would 0:53:25.535 --> 0:53:27.855 seven and a half or seven percent be reasonable on that? 0:53:28.575 --> 0:53:32.255 It's whatever you negotiate. I tend to stay away from 0:53:32.295 --> 0:53:34.895 discussions around margins and rates and those sorts of things 0:53:34.975 --> 0:53:37.655 only because in the end, it's always individual, that's what 0:53:37.775 --> 0:53:40.135 it is. So it's you need to sit down and 0:53:40.175 --> 0:53:42.415 have a really honest discussion in the same way you know, 0:53:42.535 --> 0:53:46.855 marginal materials. If you're a really good payer, for example, 0:53:47.015 --> 0:53:50.215 then maybe your contractor will accept a slightly lower margin. 0:53:50.855 --> 0:54:03.095 Take care buddy, okay, maybe called pop Right, Yes, it's 0:54:03.095 --> 0:54:05.375 an unusual kind of day, it's a special day, it's 0:54:05.375 --> 0:54:08.295 East Sunday, and it's also an ad free day, So 0:54:09.055 --> 0:54:11.175 the way we run the program is slightly different, So 0:54:11.295 --> 0:54:15.015 my apologies for the occasional heck up there Radio eight 0:54:15.135 --> 0:54:17.415 hundred and eighty ten eighty, Good morning, welcome along to 0:54:17.495 --> 0:54:19.735 the show. My name is Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, 0:54:19.815 --> 0:54:22.975 and this is a program all about building and construction. 0:54:23.215 --> 0:54:26.575 And I feel slightly embarrassed by the length of my 0:54:27.335 --> 0:54:29.775 explanation around the tiny home things and all of the 0:54:29.975 --> 0:54:36.255 myriad complexity that comes along with it. But yeah, I 0:54:36.335 --> 0:54:38.895 think it's I guess we've got to talk about it 0:54:38.935 --> 0:54:43.495 because that complexity exists. Right, So the idea I think 0:54:43.575 --> 0:54:47.175 the government arguably heading in the right direction. Lots of 0:54:47.215 --> 0:54:51.575 criticism from the industry are within the sector. Different parts 0:54:51.615 --> 0:54:57.455 of the sector going, allowing buildings up to sixty square meters, 0:54:57.455 --> 0:54:59.415 I think is what they're talking about, to be built 0:54:59.455 --> 0:55:04.935 without a building consent has the potential for some level 0:55:04.975 --> 0:55:11.735 of disaster, right, that's part of the sector. Another part 0:55:11.775 --> 0:55:13.695 of the sector might go, hey, it's about time that 0:55:13.895 --> 0:55:16.055 you know, people should be able to build relatively simple 0:55:16.095 --> 0:55:18.735 structures up to that size. I guess, you know, we 0:55:18.855 --> 0:55:21.335 tend to think of sixty square meters as small, and 0:55:21.455 --> 0:55:27.615 it ain't for number of years we lived in our 0:55:27.775 --> 0:55:30.855 fifty square meter to bedroom brick and tile unit. Now 0:55:30.935 --> 0:55:33.775 fifty square meters was kind of enough space for us 0:55:34.895 --> 0:55:39.015 for a period of time, and so the thought of 0:55:39.095 --> 0:55:43.455 building that without a building consent, there's some challenges, so 0:55:43.575 --> 0:55:45.335 that we've been talking a little bit about that on 0:55:45.535 --> 0:55:48.855 the program as well. One hundred and eighty ten eighty 0:55:48.975 --> 0:55:51.775 Did you get the if you're in Auckland, did you 0:55:51.855 --> 0:55:55.775 get the weather alerts yesterday in the afternoon, Because I 0:55:55.855 --> 0:55:58.215 certainly did, got one and then got another one straight after. 0:55:59.135 --> 0:56:02.335 A little bit of criticism for civil defense and for 0:56:02.375 --> 0:56:05.695 the met Service of not being aware of the potential 0:56:05.815 --> 0:56:11.135 for the heavy rain that parts of Auckland experience overnight 0:56:11.255 --> 0:56:15.055 Friday come Sunday morning. That led to some flooding and 0:56:15.135 --> 0:56:21.055 some cars being submerged and roadways blocked and buildings inundated 0:56:21.175 --> 0:56:25.215 with water. Again, we might talk about that too around 0:56:25.615 --> 0:56:27.495 you know what can we do? Can you as a 0:56:27.535 --> 0:56:30.655 homeowner do anything. The other thing that I find absolutely 0:56:30.695 --> 0:56:34.255 fascinating at the moment, particularly in Auckland, is the buyout scheme. 0:56:34.815 --> 0:56:39.735 So local government and national government, state government are actively 0:56:39.855 --> 0:56:43.255 buying out properties and we're talking in Auckland anyway, I 0:56:43.335 --> 0:56:46.015 think it's around seven hundred dwellings that are going to 0:56:46.135 --> 0:56:52.575 be purchased, Like I when I first like i'd heard 0:56:52.575 --> 0:56:54.415 about it, but you don't dig into the detail, and 0:56:54.495 --> 0:56:57.495 so I did the other day and it's all available online. 0:56:57.535 --> 0:56:59.975 You can see you can't see which individual houses, but 0:57:00.095 --> 0:57:03.015 a rough idea of breakdown per suburb. So, for example, 0:57:03.095 --> 0:57:05.935 Milford on the north Shore, one hundred and forty one 0:57:06.335 --> 0:57:09.495 dwellings are going to be purchased by counsel and government 0:57:10.095 --> 0:57:14.335 in this buyout scheme, a billion dollar buyout scheme. And 0:57:14.415 --> 0:57:16.735 I guess they're looking at that going that we can't 0:57:16.775 --> 0:57:19.135 stop the flooding. We know what the weather's going to do. 0:57:20.175 --> 0:57:22.895 Even part of that rain event on Friday night, said 0:57:22.935 --> 0:57:26.015 day morning was part of what I'd call what the 0:57:26.135 --> 0:57:28.455 statistics would say is a one in one hundred year 0:57:28.455 --> 0:57:31.535 flood event. And while I've got a few gray hairs 0:57:31.575 --> 0:57:33.655 and that sort of thing, I reckon I've been through 0:57:33.695 --> 0:57:36.495 about six or seven one and one hundred year flood 0:57:36.495 --> 0:57:39.975 event so far. So obviously heavy rainfall is going to 0:57:40.015 --> 0:57:42.055 be part of our future. So what do we do 0:57:42.175 --> 0:57:44.895 to mitigate that as well? Lots to talk about oh, 0:57:44.935 --> 0:57:46.815 eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 0:57:47.295 --> 0:57:49.295 Someone sets through and said, I think the government's talking 0:57:49.335 --> 0:57:51.735 seventy square meters, not sixty. I think you might be right. 0:57:52.255 --> 0:57:57.215 It's not like it's not in legislation right now. Feedback 0:57:57.255 --> 0:57:59.455 that I've had all conversations that I've had partly with 0:57:59.535 --> 0:58:03.775 government and government departments, is that some of let's say 0:58:03.775 --> 0:58:06.735 the coalition partners, wanted to go up to hundred twenty 0:58:07.015 --> 0:58:11.055 square meters without necessarily requiring a building consent. I think 0:58:11.095 --> 0:58:15.015 they'll probably settle on about seventy, might be sixty. We'll 0:58:15.135 --> 0:58:17.575 soon find out when it actually becomes legislation. Let's get 0:58:17.615 --> 0:58:20.895 into the calls. Lovely to have you company this Easter Sunday, Kathy, 0:58:20.975 --> 0:58:24.055 good morning, Hi, good morning. 0:58:24.415 --> 0:58:25.855 I just have a question. 0:58:25.975 --> 0:58:29.935 I've held my house. All new windows put right through 0:58:29.975 --> 0:58:32.895 my house, double based windows. I've got an old wooden home. Yes, 0:58:33.215 --> 0:58:36.215 so I've got woodens, I've got the insects now. We've 0:58:36.295 --> 0:58:38.815 painted the window sells on the inside and around the 0:58:38.815 --> 0:58:39.615 window frames. 0:58:39.735 --> 0:58:39.855 Yes. 0:58:40.055 --> 0:58:42.535 And all the rooms except the kitchen one we did 0:58:42.695 --> 0:58:48.615 with oil based paint. Now on the window sill where 0:58:48.655 --> 0:58:51.455 the windows attacked, there's a bonding. We've painted over that 0:58:51.575 --> 0:58:54.615 with the oil based paint. Now it's very sticky. So 0:58:54.775 --> 0:58:58.855 I just wondered if what we can do to take 0:58:58.895 --> 0:59:00.415 the stickiness away now do we? 0:59:01.055 --> 0:59:01.415 I don't know. 0:59:04.135 --> 0:59:06.495 It's only on the bonding, which is what probably less 0:59:06.615 --> 0:59:08.055 than a centimeter really is. 0:59:08.935 --> 0:59:11.255 It'd only be a millimeter or so thick, isn't it? 0:59:13.015 --> 0:59:13.375 Little bit? 0:59:13.575 --> 0:59:14.415 Just a little strip? 0:59:14.775 --> 0:59:16.615 Yeah, because I went to. 0:59:16.655 --> 0:59:20.455 Look at a similar situation a little while ago, but 0:59:20.495 --> 0:59:24.095 I think it's similar, and so just correct me if 0:59:24.175 --> 0:59:27.335 I'm wrong with this. But what I think happens is, 0:59:27.535 --> 0:59:31.935 so you've got your existing timber sashes, the rebate was 0:59:32.055 --> 0:59:36.335 deepened to allow for the double glazing, right, so they 0:59:36.415 --> 0:59:40.415 make the rebate deeper, and then that should have been primed, 0:59:40.615 --> 0:59:43.855 it should have been sealed the beer timber, yes, yes, 0:59:44.455 --> 0:59:48.095 And then when the double glazing unit itself is installed. 0:59:48.255 --> 0:59:53.175 Often they'll put like a basically like a foam tape 0:59:53.335 --> 0:59:56.775 around the inside of that rebate and set the double 0:59:56.815 --> 1:00:00.655 glazing unit into it, right, and then put the double 1:00:00.695 --> 1:00:04.255 glazing unit in. Then another bead, another strip of foam 1:00:04.295 --> 1:00:06.615 around the outside, and then the timber bead that holds 1:00:06.695 --> 1:00:09.455 the double glazing unit in place, because we don't typically 1:00:09.575 --> 1:00:15.095 putty double glazed units into place. Now, that foam is 1:00:15.135 --> 1:00:18.615 obviously porous, and what I went to have a look 1:00:18.655 --> 1:00:21.855 at some time ago was where the painter had painted 1:00:22.095 --> 1:00:26.335 onto the foam, but because the foam acts like a sponge, 1:00:26.855 --> 1:00:30.815 it had sucked the paint in and you could see it, right, 1:00:31.335 --> 1:00:34.615 and then there's kind of no way to get rid 1:00:34.655 --> 1:00:37.375 of that because it's sucked into the foam which is 1:00:37.415 --> 1:00:40.095 acting like a sponge, and then it bled through onto 1:00:40.135 --> 1:00:46.615 the glass. I wonder whether in your situation, ideally you 1:00:46.975 --> 1:00:51.615 would have masked the foam and only painted onto the timber. 1:00:53.015 --> 1:00:55.975 Okay, the stuff that I saw in them put on 1:00:57.615 --> 1:01:00.175 it looks like I'll say, it looks like no more gaps. 1:01:00.215 --> 1:01:01.255 But it's not no more gaps. 1:01:01.335 --> 1:01:02.375 It's in a tube like that. 1:01:02.775 --> 1:01:06.735 Oh okay, So they beaded it on with Okay. Now 1:01:07.495 --> 1:01:10.135 that's another way of doing it, and probably the more 1:01:10.175 --> 1:01:12.495 common way. So what you do is you've you've cleaned 1:01:12.495 --> 1:01:15.815 out the rebate, you've primed it. That's really important. Then 1:01:15.855 --> 1:01:19.015 they put in a bead of glazing silicon and then 1:01:19.255 --> 1:01:22.215 push the glass into that and that holds the seals 1:01:22.255 --> 1:01:26.415 in the ear gaps and so on. Typically those sorts 1:01:26.415 --> 1:01:29.775 of sealants are not designed to be painted, right, So 1:01:30.015 --> 1:01:32.855 some silicons you can paint, or some sealants you can paint. 1:01:33.175 --> 1:01:35.855 Others you can't. And when you do try and paint them, 1:01:36.335 --> 1:01:39.255 it looks like the paint is actually being pushed away. 1:01:39.415 --> 1:01:43.655 It tends to break up and separate, and so it 1:01:43.695 --> 1:01:45.935 won't dry effectively on there and may. 1:01:47.815 --> 1:01:50.135 Yeah, all the other windows we've painted. 1:01:49.855 --> 1:01:53.375 With acrylic water bay, yeah, yeah, water. 1:01:53.295 --> 1:01:55.735 Based in them. Yeah, it's just the kitchen one we 1:01:55.855 --> 1:01:57.975 did with the oil base, and we did an undercoat 1:01:58.015 --> 1:01:59.975 and everything, but there's no way to get ready to 1:02:00.135 --> 1:02:02.215 read the red of the stickiness, was there? 1:02:04.695 --> 1:02:07.735 I guess there's two. There'd be two things that I do. 1:02:07.895 --> 1:02:09.935 One is to go back to the installer and just 1:02:10.055 --> 1:02:12.015 explain what it is that you've done, and they might 1:02:12.095 --> 1:02:16.535 have encountered it. There might be like a silicon solvent 1:02:16.815 --> 1:02:19.415 that you can use to remove the paint work, right, 1:02:20.655 --> 1:02:23.335 and like a it might be a turp space, it 1:02:23.415 --> 1:02:25.815 might be a nice apropyl alcohol might be another very 1:02:25.855 --> 1:02:28.975 specific product that you could use to clean the paint 1:02:29.095 --> 1:02:34.375 off that silicon surface. If that's more trouble than it's worth. 1:02:34.455 --> 1:02:37.855 Then maybe they could come back, take the double glazing out, 1:02:38.015 --> 1:02:40.735 peel the silicon out, redo the silicon, put it back 1:02:40.735 --> 1:02:43.255 in again. But I think that'll be at your expense. 1:02:44.455 --> 1:02:47.975 Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah yeah. I just wondered about 1:02:48.335 --> 1:02:51.815 just you think some turps on a little bit of 1:02:51.895 --> 1:02:52.735 cottonball budg. 1:02:54.575 --> 1:02:58.495 Certainly the turps won't won't affect the glass obviously, and 1:02:58.615 --> 1:03:03.655 it might just dissolve that. The other thing, you could 1:03:03.735 --> 1:03:05.775 wring the paint supplier and just go, hey, look, this 1:03:05.855 --> 1:03:07.935 is the problem that I've got. Is there something that 1:03:08.055 --> 1:03:11.095 I can use, a particular solvent that I could use 1:03:11.175 --> 1:03:13.735 for that? So, you know, I don't think it's the 1:03:13.815 --> 1:03:17.455 end of the world, but I understand the frustration. And 1:03:18.095 --> 1:03:21.335 often with the foam, it's on the outside that this 1:03:21.535 --> 1:03:23.615 is what happens a lot. So there's the foam and 1:03:23.695 --> 1:03:26.015 then the timber bead that holds in the double glazing 1:03:26.055 --> 1:03:29.855 in it, and if you like, typically, if it's a 1:03:30.015 --> 1:03:34.135 standard single glazed puttied window, what you always should do 1:03:34.375 --> 1:03:37.895 is paint onto the glass with the double glazing. That's 1:03:38.015 --> 1:03:40.055 no longer true. You don't want to be trying to 1:03:40.135 --> 1:03:43.935 paint that flexible foam on the outside. 1:03:46.935 --> 1:03:51.415 The glass isn't visible onto the windowsill because he's about 1:03:51.575 --> 1:03:55.495 I don't know, a couple of centimeters of aluminium. Ah, okay, 1:03:56.775 --> 1:03:58.415 and the glasses a set in the frame. 1:03:58.735 --> 1:04:01.455 Then right, but it's a timber sash, it's not an 1:04:01.495 --> 1:04:02.375 aluminium frame. 1:04:02.735 --> 1:04:07.815 Okay, it's a timber slash with a little aluminium strip 1:04:07.895 --> 1:04:10.135 on it. And then the glass of seep into the 1:04:10.375 --> 1:04:12.015 or the windows deepens through that. 1:04:12.415 --> 1:04:15.975 Oh so yeah, it's unusual and it's. 1:04:15.935 --> 1:04:18.455 Like the water then you know how if you get 1:04:18.495 --> 1:04:21.135 conversation that drips, I know you shouldn't have double glazing, 1:04:21.215 --> 1:04:22.975 but is it sort of water thing that drips? 1:04:23.015 --> 1:04:23.855 Then yeah? 1:04:24.295 --> 1:04:27.335 But yeah, well i'll just see what solves that we 1:04:27.495 --> 1:04:28.335 can get then. 1:04:28.295 --> 1:04:31.855 And go from the Yeah, have a go, but make 1:04:31.895 --> 1:04:33.855 a few phone calls beforehand, I think, just to make 1:04:33.895 --> 1:04:36.495 sure that you're not an adversion to you doing something. Yeah, incorrect, 1:04:36.855 --> 1:04:39.535 Good luck and thanks for calling. Really appreciate and I'm 1:04:39.695 --> 1:04:41.855 actually I've made a note to ask a couple of 1:04:41.895 --> 1:04:44.655 people about solutions for that too, so I'll see if 1:04:44.655 --> 1:04:46.935 I can get an answer as well. Nice to talk 1:04:46.975 --> 1:04:49.895 with you very much, take care all of this. Then 1:04:50.975 --> 1:04:53.655 someone's text me and said, Hey, Pete, it's Easter Day, 1:04:53.775 --> 1:04:56.135 not Easter Sunday. I either day of Easter. Calling it 1:04:56.215 --> 1:04:58.655 Easter Sunday reduces it to the same status as an 1:04:58.655 --> 1:05:04.255 Easter said Day or Easter Monday Easterday. Okay, I've always 1:05:04.255 --> 1:05:06.095 called it Easter Sunday, but I hear what you're saying. Oh, 1:05:06.295 --> 1:05:08.175 one hundred and eighty ten eighties, and I'm going to 1:05:08.215 --> 1:05:09.735 call Steven good morning. 1:05:10.375 --> 1:05:11.575 Oh, good morning, Pete. 1:05:11.775 --> 1:05:12.015 Morning. 1:05:12.095 --> 1:05:13.695 Indeed, thank you. 1:05:14.095 --> 1:05:17.535 I just want to know. I'm wanting to put an 1:05:17.655 --> 1:05:23.175 exterior door into a downstairs bedroom. It's a cedar house, 1:05:23.895 --> 1:05:27.335 and I only have two exits on the top level 1:05:27.695 --> 1:05:31.055 and there's no exterior exit on the bottom level, which 1:05:31.575 --> 1:05:34.775 just has two bedrooms. And I want to know if 1:05:34.975 --> 1:05:38.815 I need to get a building consent to cut an 1:05:38.935 --> 1:05:41.375 exterior door into that bottom bedroom. 1:05:42.735 --> 1:05:44.855 Are you going to do it where there's an existing 1:05:44.935 --> 1:05:47.455 window or are you creating a new opening? 1:05:48.375 --> 1:05:52.535 No, it's going to be beside the existing window, which 1:05:52.655 --> 1:05:54.535 is a metal framed window. 1:05:55.375 --> 1:05:57.055 Yes, it does require a building consent. 1:05:58.015 --> 1:05:58.375 Okay. 1:05:58.695 --> 1:06:00.855 If I was just to put it where the window 1:06:01.015 --> 1:06:03.935 is and turn that into a siding door, then I 1:06:04.055 --> 1:06:05.375 wouldn't Is that what you're. 1:06:05.255 --> 1:06:10.495 Saying that's exactly correct with one proviso. So if you 1:06:10.575 --> 1:06:14.215 imagine you've got an existing window opening and you remove 1:06:14.295 --> 1:06:17.935 the cladding, remove the framing below it, but you don't 1:06:18.175 --> 1:06:21.775 change the size of the window opening, you could. Yeah, 1:06:21.895 --> 1:06:24.455 it's so it's all about the span of the lintel, 1:06:24.575 --> 1:06:26.655 the beam that holds up everything above it, and given 1:06:26.695 --> 1:06:29.375 that you're in a two story house, that beam's really important, right. 1:06:30.655 --> 1:06:35.175 So that's that's a primary part of the concern. The 1:06:35.255 --> 1:06:37.615 other part, the second part is we're the tightness, but 1:06:37.695 --> 1:06:39.535 you've already got a window there, right, So there's a 1:06:39.615 --> 1:06:43.255 detail for how that's flashed, whether it's a facing and 1:06:43.375 --> 1:06:47.055 a scriber or whatever the cladding is. So whoever does 1:06:47.135 --> 1:06:49.815 the work just copies what's already there and extends it 1:06:49.935 --> 1:06:52.415 down and that will deal with weather tightness around the 1:06:53.055 --> 1:06:56.895 exterior of the joinery. So if it's an existing opening 1:06:57.135 --> 1:06:59.975 and you're converting from a window to a door without 1:07:00.095 --> 1:07:02.615 expanding the size of the lintel, you can do that 1:07:02.775 --> 1:07:04.215 under Schedule one of the Building Act. 1:07:05.615 --> 1:07:09.655 Right. Well, I won't be doing that. I had considered that, 1:07:10.095 --> 1:07:15.735 but I want to make an exterior wooden door into 1:07:15.815 --> 1:07:19.335 the wall beside the window, and I also want to 1:07:19.655 --> 1:07:25.015 put a metal screen door over it as well, so 1:07:25.215 --> 1:07:30.535 that when I open this open the wooden door inside 1:07:30.575 --> 1:07:33.335 the house, which is going to be the exterior door, 1:07:33.775 --> 1:07:36.175 then I can still have a screen door which I 1:07:36.255 --> 1:07:39.855 can lock from the inside just to allow earflow and 1:07:39.935 --> 1:07:42.615 no insects to come in. So that's all right to 1:07:42.695 --> 1:07:43.535 do that as well. 1:07:44.735 --> 1:07:46.855 Yeah, you can do whatever you want in terms of 1:07:46.935 --> 1:07:48.655 the type of door that you're going to put in. 1:07:48.935 --> 1:07:52.655 But the fact that you're creating a new opening, which 1:07:52.735 --> 1:07:55.055 will mean that you'll need to someone will need to 1:07:55.095 --> 1:07:57.335 put in a lintel. Someone will need to say what 1:07:57.575 --> 1:08:01.095 size that lintel is going to be. Potentially they might 1:08:01.175 --> 1:08:04.015 look at bracing elements because given that it's the bottom floor, 1:08:04.215 --> 1:08:08.055 so I without a door in it was providing some bracing. 1:08:09.455 --> 1:08:12.175 You'll need to accommodate that. And then the other consideration 1:08:12.615 --> 1:08:15.415 is where the tightness, so how it's flashed and detailed 1:08:15.495 --> 1:08:17.855 on the exterior. But yeah, should answers you need a 1:08:17.855 --> 1:08:18.495 building consent? 1:08:19.255 --> 1:08:21.935 Great, thanks so much to my pleasure. 1:08:22.575 --> 1:08:24.775 Take care of the Then oh eight one hundred and 1:08:24.815 --> 1:08:26.735 eighty ten eighty the number to call. Did a little 1:08:26.775 --> 1:08:31.455 waterproofing job, a little Yes, it was this week. So 1:08:31.615 --> 1:08:34.535 did the Actually someone takes through because I talked about 1:08:34.535 --> 1:08:37.295 this job that I've been doing, which is doing the decking, 1:08:37.415 --> 1:08:40.655 replacing decking, and then I talked about filling it and 1:08:40.775 --> 1:08:43.175 priming it and spot priming it and first coding it 1:08:43.255 --> 1:08:45.695 and top coating it, and someone said you should never 1:08:45.775 --> 1:08:49.615 paint decking. I should always stain it. Okay, what I 1:08:49.855 --> 1:08:53.135 perhaps neglected to say is it's tongue and groove timber, right, 1:08:53.295 --> 1:08:56.535 So it's a it's a villa with a villa style 1:08:56.695 --> 1:09:00.575 veranda on it where the decking boards which were li 1:09:00.655 --> 1:09:06.735 soop treatment which is rubbish and failed, and so I've 1:09:06.735 --> 1:09:09.135 had to prop the verandah pull up all of the 1:09:09.215 --> 1:09:10.975 decking because I didn't want to just cud all the 1:09:11.015 --> 1:09:12.775 rotten bits out and have an ugly join. So I've 1:09:12.815 --> 1:09:15.135 just pulled up all of the decking replaced it all 1:09:15.215 --> 1:09:19.135 with new H three point two treated tongue in groove, 1:09:19.215 --> 1:09:22.775 so one fifty or X one twenty five tongue and groove, 1:09:23.935 --> 1:09:26.295 which I have painted because that's what you do. You 1:09:26.335 --> 1:09:28.455 don't stay in those sorts of decks. So that's why 1:09:28.455 --> 1:09:31.335 I'm painting it, just to be clear. Oh eight hundred 1:09:31.335 --> 1:09:33.975 and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Maria. 1:09:34.215 --> 1:09:37.135 Good morning, Oh, good morning, Peter. 1:09:37.695 --> 1:09:40.135 Hey, I said good morning. 1:09:39.935 --> 1:09:43.295 Peter, and good morning to you Maria. Happy Easter. 1:09:45.415 --> 1:09:47.695 I was going to say, I was going to say 1:09:47.735 --> 1:09:50.255 happy Easter too, but I was just thinking what you 1:09:50.295 --> 1:09:52.495 were saying before about the Easter Day and Easter Sunday. 1:09:52.775 --> 1:09:55.135 I've heard my grandkids call it Easter Day, and I 1:09:55.215 --> 1:09:57.375 think it's Easter Sunday. It's Easter Day? 1:09:57.935 --> 1:10:00.135 Is it Easter Day? I keep saying Easter Sunday. 1:10:01.295 --> 1:10:03.055 I've always said that, but they say it's East Today. 1:10:04.455 --> 1:10:07.015 I'm going to look that up because the in a 1:10:07.175 --> 1:10:10.415 pedant pennant comes out at these moments and I feel 1:10:10.455 --> 1:10:13.095 that I need to get to the bottom of this. Anyway, 1:10:13.135 --> 1:10:16.695 that's not what we're talking about. We are talking about. Well, actually, 1:10:16.855 --> 1:10:18.575 would you like to talk about gone, tell us. 1:10:18.535 --> 1:10:23.455 What's internal gass flattish roof houset. You know it's only 1:10:23.535 --> 1:10:26.215 got about a ten mill four on it? Yes, well 1:10:26.295 --> 1:10:28.055 those horrible internal gusters. 1:10:28.575 --> 1:10:32.295 Now describe to me exactly what you mean by internal gutters, 1:10:32.295 --> 1:10:36.255 because sometimes we use the language and it's not actually 1:10:36.295 --> 1:10:42.855 an internal gutter. Okay, So describe, describe to me the 1:10:43.575 --> 1:10:46.575 So you've got a relatively flat pitched roof and then 1:10:46.975 --> 1:10:49.295 the internal gutter. Is that like in the middle of 1:10:49.375 --> 1:10:52.655 the building, or is what you're describing one of those 1:10:52.975 --> 1:10:57.775 concealed spouting facier type systems where you've got a metal 1:10:57.895 --> 1:11:00.335 facia that runs around the perimeter of the building and 1:11:00.455 --> 1:11:02.935 then the spouting is tucked in behind that. 1:11:05.295 --> 1:11:10.775 Yeah, basically gets it's that okay, which again mittle guttering. 1:11:10.815 --> 1:11:13.055 And it's only on two sides of the house, yes, 1:11:14.055 --> 1:11:15.655 and it's only got two down pipes. 1:11:16.015 --> 1:11:16.215 Yep. 1:11:18.095 --> 1:11:19.895 So seventies house. Does that sound right to you? 1:11:20.335 --> 1:11:20.535 Yeah? 1:11:20.575 --> 1:11:20.935 It does. 1:11:21.175 --> 1:11:25.175 And again I was up on this roof on Tuesday, 1:11:25.215 --> 1:11:27.495 I think it was knowing that the weather was going 1:11:27.535 --> 1:11:30.295 to pack in, trying to get some waterproofing done, and 1:11:30.335 --> 1:11:32.175 then I was looking around at the spouting and this 1:11:32.375 --> 1:11:36.575 is a basically a sort of sixty square meter roof, 1:11:36.695 --> 1:11:38.655 and it had one down pipe on one side and 1:11:38.735 --> 1:11:41.615 one down pipe on the other. And I'm thinking, in fact, no, 1:11:41.735 --> 1:11:43.575 the entire roof would be about one hundred and twenty 1:11:43.615 --> 1:11:47.535 square meters and two down pipes. That's not anywhere. And 1:11:47.655 --> 1:11:51.255 this is a nineteen sixties building, right, so it's unrealistic 1:11:51.335 --> 1:11:53.135 to think that the water is going to run the 1:11:53.255 --> 1:11:57.255 better part of twenty five meters to find a little 1:11:57.295 --> 1:11:59.135 lady mill down pipe on the other side. So I'm 1:11:59.135 --> 1:12:00.815 going to have to sort something out there as well. 1:12:01.975 --> 1:12:06.055 And I if what's happening with yours is that in 1:12:06.535 --> 1:12:08.255 does it leak all of the time or only in 1:12:08.295 --> 1:12:08.815 heavy rain? 1:12:09.975 --> 1:12:12.735 Heavy rain? But it leaked really badly set. 1:12:12.535 --> 1:12:16.135 It last night and when you what did you see? 1:12:18.135 --> 1:12:19.215 What does the leak look like? 1:12:20.615 --> 1:12:23.895 It's got tenants. This place that was pouring, it was pouring. 1:12:24.135 --> 1:12:29.495 It was pouring down the corner bedroom, which is pouring 1:12:29.575 --> 1:12:32.655 down into on the edge of the window. And the 1:12:33.015 --> 1:12:35.135 other side that was really bad was the master bedroom. 1:12:35.175 --> 1:12:36.775 It was all in the wardrobe. It was just pouring 1:12:36.855 --> 1:12:40.135 down the wall. Yeah, and it was in the middle 1:12:40.135 --> 1:12:43.375 of the house by the kitchen. They couldn't see where 1:12:43.375 --> 1:12:45.495 it came from, but I know that happened once before. 1:12:45.735 --> 1:12:48.095 And the roofing person that looked at it said, the 1:12:48.175 --> 1:12:50.455 water's gone right and from the guttering under the roof 1:12:50.495 --> 1:12:51.175 and just come down. 1:12:52.415 --> 1:12:54.895 Yeah, yeah, yeah, water can do that. 1:12:57.375 --> 1:12:57.815 To fix that. 1:12:58.415 --> 1:13:07.295 Okay, you might have to spend some money, right, let's 1:13:07.335 --> 1:13:11.135 get that part out of the way first, right. The 1:13:11.335 --> 1:13:15.895 challenge with what I would call concealed spouting behind metal facier, 1:13:16.015 --> 1:13:18.695 and there's a couple of different systems. The most common 1:13:18.775 --> 1:13:22.575 one back in the day was Class so k Lass. 1:13:22.655 --> 1:13:24.855 If you look that up online you'll see a picture 1:13:24.935 --> 1:13:29.775 or a description of it. And it was a nifty idea. 1:13:30.215 --> 1:13:32.855 So instead of having a bit of facia and then 1:13:32.935 --> 1:13:35.975 some spouting hanging out board, we'd put on metal facia. 1:13:36.095 --> 1:13:39.615 Wo'd tuck the spouting the actual gutter part on the inside, 1:13:40.095 --> 1:13:43.415 and then from the outside it's a clean, slick appearance. 1:13:43.535 --> 1:13:46.815 Right now, Some of those systems worked okay. The majority 1:13:46.855 --> 1:13:50.095 of them might have worked okay for a period of time, 1:13:50.375 --> 1:13:52.255 but what I know about almost all of them is 1:13:52.335 --> 1:13:57.615 that eventually they'll leak right, partly because they're laid with 1:13:57.895 --> 1:14:02.695 very little fall. Also, the back upstand is less than 1:14:02.735 --> 1:14:05.615 the front upstand, so when they get overwhelmed, they tend 1:14:05.655 --> 1:14:08.935 to overflow over the back. And then, because they're often 1:14:09.415 --> 1:14:13.775 with a five A cement safit, the water overflows over 1:14:13.815 --> 1:14:16.575 the back of the internal spouting lands on the safe 1:14:16.975 --> 1:14:20.815 and the safite is often put in place before the clatting, 1:14:21.135 --> 1:14:24.775 so it's over and above and behind the clatding and 1:14:25.055 --> 1:14:27.855 it just funnels the water straight into the building. That's 1:14:28.015 --> 1:14:30.975 typically what happens. So the other day when I was 1:14:31.055 --> 1:14:33.695 down at the Home and Garden show, I got talking 1:14:33.735 --> 1:14:37.935 to some guys from Continuous Group who are do spouting, 1:14:38.175 --> 1:14:42.895 but they also have a system where they'll come pull 1:14:42.975 --> 1:14:46.415 that off, install a new facia, extend the roofing out 1:14:46.815 --> 1:14:50.975 with a flashing if required, and do external facia. I 1:14:51.095 --> 1:14:56.495 know that Custom Spouting and Facia also have a proprietary 1:14:56.575 --> 1:14:59.495 system that they've developed. So those two companies in particular 1:15:00.655 --> 1:15:02.975 are very familiar with the problem and they've come up 1:15:03.015 --> 1:15:07.615 with a solution, which is great. I think trying to 1:15:07.655 --> 1:15:11.015 repair it is really difficult, time consuming and probably won't 1:15:11.055 --> 1:15:13.015 give you a good result. So if it was me, 1:15:13.815 --> 1:15:15.775 and if you could find the money, I would just 1:15:15.855 --> 1:15:19.415 get someone in to rip it all off, redo a 1:15:19.575 --> 1:15:24.215 more conventional facire with an outboard spouting or guttering and 1:15:25.335 --> 1:15:27.375 do that in the first instance. If you need to 1:15:27.455 --> 1:15:30.495 upgrade the number of downpipes, that would be wise. But 1:15:30.655 --> 1:15:33.255 of course if you're going to increase the number of downpipes, 1:15:33.255 --> 1:15:36.135 you're going to have to change your store water connections 1:15:36.255 --> 1:15:39.335 to accommodate that, which might mean what would mean getting 1:15:39.335 --> 1:15:43.815 a drain layer in, excavating, adding new pipes, those sorts 1:15:43.815 --> 1:15:47.255 of things. Maybe that's too much work. But certainly ripping 1:15:47.295 --> 1:15:50.935 off the existing facia and the concealed gutter, that's what 1:15:51.015 --> 1:15:51.415 I would do. 1:15:53.455 --> 1:15:56.255 I've thought about that. I've thought about that quite often. 1:15:56.335 --> 1:15:57.935 I just don't know what it would cost. You would 1:15:57.935 --> 1:15:58.775 you have any ideas? 1:15:58.895 --> 1:16:02.095 Look, I tell you what. I didn't think it was unreasonable. 1:16:02.175 --> 1:16:05.455 And I did a sort of pre purchase house inspection 1:16:05.615 --> 1:16:07.655 for a family ment a little while ago, and it 1:16:07.775 --> 1:16:11.575 was a reasonably big houses, big concrete tile roof in 1:16:11.735 --> 1:16:16.015 classic nineteen seventies, right two story bricon tile roof, concrete roof, 1:16:16.295 --> 1:16:21.335 concealed spouting, and I sent, actually I went to custom 1:16:21.695 --> 1:16:23.975 Facia to do this, and they had a look on 1:16:24.055 --> 1:16:26.415 the GIS so they can measure the building just using 1:16:26.495 --> 1:16:29.375 satellite imagery, and came back with an estimate. And I 1:16:29.455 --> 1:16:32.335 didn't think it was unreasonable. I think it was. I 1:16:32.375 --> 1:16:34.055 could look it up for me emails, but you know, 1:16:34.175 --> 1:16:36.415 it was like in the ten fifteen thousand dollar bracket, 1:16:36.935 --> 1:16:40.455 which I thought was quite reasonable. And this was a 1:16:40.615 --> 1:16:42.175 big building and quite high up. 1:16:43.375 --> 1:16:46.455 Yeah, yeah, two story. I'm just trying to visualize it, 1:16:46.575 --> 1:16:48.815 because the whole facure would have to be changed, the 1:16:48.855 --> 1:16:50.335 whole house would Yeah. 1:16:50.295 --> 1:16:53.055 And to be fair, like a couple of years ago, again, 1:16:53.135 --> 1:16:55.335 I looked at a property on behalf of someone who 1:16:55.415 --> 1:16:57.855 was interested in buying it, and it had that concealed 1:16:58.255 --> 1:17:01.575 spouting system on it. And at that time what I 1:17:01.775 --> 1:17:03.695 was thinking is, right, I've got to pull all that off. 1:17:03.815 --> 1:17:05.695 I've got a nog it all out. I've got to 1:17:05.775 --> 1:17:08.975 hang a timber facer on there and get someone into 1:17:09.015 --> 1:17:12.255 do spouting. That's a lot of work. Whereas, because the 1:17:12.335 --> 1:17:16.455 problem is quite common, these those two particular companies and 1:17:16.455 --> 1:17:20.855 there might be others, have come up with essentially their 1:17:20.895 --> 1:17:23.935 own they've developed a system that allows them to tackle that. 1:17:24.215 --> 1:17:27.495 And because they've got a system, it's efficient, and efficiency 1:17:27.735 --> 1:17:29.215 generally helps keep costs down. 1:17:31.055 --> 1:17:37.015 Oh that's fantastic. Yeah, sorry, can I just that's right down? 1:17:37.055 --> 1:17:38.575 The names I missed. I missed it. 1:17:38.855 --> 1:17:43.655 Yeah, So have a look at continuous group, continuous continuous 1:17:43.655 --> 1:17:51.215 group do it and also custom facia and spouting. Okay, 1:17:52.575 --> 1:17:55.975 so yeah, quick google search, we'll find both of those. 1:17:56.055 --> 1:17:58.655 No trouble at all, No, this has happened. 1:17:58.975 --> 1:18:02.055 A couple of times before, but only once is bad. 1:18:02.135 --> 1:18:03.575 And that's when I want to sell the place. I 1:18:03.735 --> 1:18:04.895 just think, oh, I can't kate with this. 1:18:05.815 --> 1:18:06.055 Look. 1:18:06.295 --> 1:18:09.535 I tell you what it's not. It's it used to 1:18:09.615 --> 1:18:14.095 be a really big fix. Now it's a big ish fix, 1:18:14.295 --> 1:18:17.255 but nowhere near as challenging as it used to be 1:18:17.375 --> 1:18:20.575 because like the like I say, these two particular companies, 1:18:20.615 --> 1:18:24.735 they've come up with essentially their own system to address that. 1:18:24.935 --> 1:18:28.615 And it's it's neat and tidy and yeah, so it's 1:18:28.695 --> 1:18:31.815 either continuous dot code dot enz or facia and spouting 1:18:31.895 --> 1:18:34.215 dot codet en z. Yeah. 1:18:34.335 --> 1:18:37.815 Wells and there might be yeah, and I need to 1:18:38.055 --> 1:18:40.735 know because I'm mucking around trying to sort it. 1:18:41.455 --> 1:18:44.375 Look, and the really hard thing, because I've I've tried 1:18:44.415 --> 1:18:46.695 to repair a couple as well. There's not a lot 1:18:46.735 --> 1:18:49.535 of space to work. And if you try and go, okay, 1:18:49.535 --> 1:18:51.735 I'm going to take that internal gutter out and replace 1:18:51.775 --> 1:18:54.135 it with a new piece, it's really hard to find it. 1:18:54.295 --> 1:18:56.735 It's really hard to get it in. Often it's laid 1:18:56.855 --> 1:19:00.015 with minimal fall, so typically there's you know, it doesn't 1:19:00.055 --> 1:19:03.135 take much for them to become unundated. Inundated, and then 1:19:03.175 --> 1:19:05.695 when they do, if it's got a sefit, it runs 1:19:05.695 --> 1:19:09.855 straight back to the building. So if you can get 1:19:09.895 --> 1:19:13.175 some prices, get it done and sleep well at night. 1:19:16.095 --> 1:19:18.015 I mean she yeah, I know it's frustrating. 1:19:18.095 --> 1:19:21.775 A yeah, well she thinks her mother's treasures that were 1:19:21.775 --> 1:19:22.815 in the wardrobe, Oh. 1:19:23.815 --> 1:19:28.415 Franky, yeah, yeah, look good, get it sorted. Good luck 1:19:28.455 --> 1:19:30.975 with that, Maria. You take care, thank you very alrighty, 1:19:31.095 --> 1:19:34.015 all the very best. In fact, yesterday morning, just by 1:19:34.015 --> 1:19:36.135 the bye, we caught up with some friends for coffee 1:19:36.175 --> 1:19:40.655 in the morning and he happens to be a property manager, 1:19:40.895 --> 1:19:45.495 like for rental properties, and so very flippantly off the 1:19:45.535 --> 1:19:47.855 cuff when we were having coffee, I said, you know, 1:19:47.975 --> 1:19:49.815 you must lie awake at night on a night like 1:19:49.895 --> 1:19:52.855 we've just had with thunderstorms and rain and wind and 1:19:53.015 --> 1:19:55.335 lightning and all the rest of it, just waiting for 1:19:55.375 --> 1:19:57.255 the phone to ring. And he went, hey, look, fingers 1:19:57.295 --> 1:20:00.335 crossed right now, I haven't had a single call. And 1:20:02.055 --> 1:20:05.415 at about four o'clock in the afternoon, same gentleman rings 1:20:05.495 --> 1:20:08.855 me and goes, hey, just wondering if you could come 1:20:08.935 --> 1:20:11.815 and give me a hand. You got some time, and 1:20:12.095 --> 1:20:14.335 we went round to a property that thankfully wasn't far 1:20:14.455 --> 1:20:17.095 from my place. Two windows that had blown out in 1:20:17.215 --> 1:20:19.935 the storm, and so I had to put a bit 1:20:19.975 --> 1:20:22.815 of ply on the roof and cut some ply sheets 1:20:23.975 --> 1:20:27.775 rescue one sash from the roof, and one remarkably timber 1:20:27.895 --> 1:20:31.335 sash had blown out of the window, slid down the roof, 1:20:31.655 --> 1:20:35.615 fallen into the garden and was still intact. I mean 1:20:35.655 --> 1:20:38.335 it had ripped where the hinges were, but the glass 1:20:38.415 --> 1:20:42.255 was still intact. So how that happened, I have no idea. Anyway, 1:20:42.335 --> 1:20:44.855 that was my little job in the afternoon, So I 1:20:44.895 --> 1:20:47.735 probably shouldn't have mentioned what I mentioned when we first 1:20:47.735 --> 1:20:50.575 sat down for coffee, right heo seven thirty three. Remember 1:20:50.615 --> 1:20:53.015 we've got red climb pasted at eight point thirty and 1:20:54.135 --> 1:20:58.975 after the break talk about insurance. So some months ago 1:20:59.175 --> 1:21:01.335 and every and then we talk about insurance on the 1:21:01.375 --> 1:21:04.095 program in terms of renovations. You know, if you're a 1:21:04.175 --> 1:21:06.975 homeowner and you're going to do some work, when do 1:21:07.015 --> 1:21:10.975 you need to inform your insurance company? What types can 1:21:11.055 --> 1:21:13.615 you extend your existing policy? Do you need to take 1:21:13.655 --> 1:21:16.975 out a specific policy for your for the work that 1:21:17.055 --> 1:21:20.815 you're doing. What happens when the project is finished? Et cetera, 1:21:20.855 --> 1:21:24.615 et cetera. So we're going to have a discussion with 1:21:25.175 --> 1:21:29.775 a representative from NZIDI who's one of their specialists in 1:21:29.935 --> 1:21:33.015 this area after eight o'clock. So are really looking forward 1:21:33.015 --> 1:21:35.015 to that as well. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten 1:21:35.135 --> 1:21:38.015 eighty then number to call in Fact News Talk. 1:21:37.935 --> 1:21:40.575 Said the extra, but for the little it's worth. 1:21:41.055 --> 1:21:43.615 My best guess, and it is just that a guess 1:21:44.415 --> 1:21:46.855 is that none of these tariffs are set in stone. 1:21:46.935 --> 1:21:50.415 Countries are going to try and plicate him. Companies in 1:21:50.495 --> 1:21:53.535 the US are going to try and negotiate their own 1:21:53.655 --> 1:21:56.935 little carve outs. If you're a company that relies on 1:21:57.095 --> 1:22:01.135 bringing in some mineral from China and you need that 1:22:01.375 --> 1:22:04.455 to develop your industry, you're going to go and knock 1:22:04.535 --> 1:22:07.255 on the door a Pennsylvania abba you and asked Donald 1:22:07.255 --> 1:22:09.135 Trump for a little bit of special treatment. 1:22:09.215 --> 1:22:10.415 And Donald Trump is. 1:22:10.455 --> 1:22:16.255 Going to absolutely love picking favorites. That being said, has 1:22:16.335 --> 1:22:20.695 approach well, lurch all over the place, defined only by 1:22:21.255 --> 1:22:25.695 spur of the moment, whims and incoherent. Regardless of what happens, 1:22:26.135 --> 1:22:30.215 Trump will claim success, his supporters will agree, and the 1:22:30.295 --> 1:22:34.135 global order looks that much more unstable. 1:22:34.495 --> 1:22:38.655 That was a News talk zedby Extra ending up the house, 1:22:38.895 --> 1:22:41.855 storning the garden, asked Pete for a hand. The resident 1:22:41.895 --> 1:22:46.335 builder with Peter wilfcap call News Talk ZBB. 1:22:46.815 --> 1:22:49.055 So to the person, this is my independent coming out. 1:22:49.135 --> 1:22:51.815 The person that texts through going it's not East to Sunday, 1:22:51.815 --> 1:22:55.975 it's Easter Day. I'm not sure you're right. And I'm 1:22:55.975 --> 1:22:58.015 saying that because Chris is text to say good morning 1:22:58.255 --> 1:22:59.735 or good night. Pete, what's not good night? 1:22:59.815 --> 1:23:00.295 It's morning. 1:23:00.575 --> 1:23:02.695 Hey. I'm enjoying the show, which is obviously a building show, 1:23:02.735 --> 1:23:05.135 but I can't believe that people are calling today Easter Day. 1:23:05.255 --> 1:23:08.855 It's officially East to Sunday in the Roman Catholic calendar tradition. 1:23:09.295 --> 1:23:11.335 I grew up in New Zealand the sixties and seventies 1:23:11.615 --> 1:23:14.575 with the Catholic education, Easter Sunday is definitely what it 1:23:14.735 --> 1:23:18.215 is regards from Chris. I went through my Catholic education 1:23:18.375 --> 1:23:21.535 in the seventies and eighties and that's probably why I 1:23:21.815 --> 1:23:24.175 still call it Easter Sunday. So I'm going to stick 1:23:24.175 --> 1:23:27.735 with Easter Sunday at this point in time until I 1:23:27.815 --> 1:23:30.735 see any reason to change, and to be fair, even 1:23:30.775 --> 1:23:32.735 if I did have reason to change, it probably wouldn't 1:23:32.775 --> 1:23:34.815 so Easter Sunday, it is for me. Oh eight hundred 1:23:34.815 --> 1:23:37.935 and eighty ten eighty the number to call Andrew, good morning, 1:23:39.495 --> 1:23:45.775 good morning, greetings. I'm very well in yourself, I'm okay, good. 1:23:45.695 --> 1:23:46.535 How can I help. 1:23:48.055 --> 1:23:53.295 Question about of boundary. So we built their house about 1:23:53.375 --> 1:23:57.935 year two thousand in a new subdivision, and we waited 1:23:58.015 --> 1:24:00.495 until the neighborhead built their house, and then we built 1:24:00.495 --> 1:24:04.655 a fence on the boundary. Yes, and this did contribute 1:24:04.655 --> 1:24:05.935 to the things take echid of the money in a 1:24:05.975 --> 1:24:08.895 little So he was involved in the building of the sense. 1:24:09.255 --> 1:24:12.735 Now I did most of the work, built this fence 1:24:13.015 --> 1:24:18.935 on the boundary. So the fence line covers certain boundary pigs. 1:24:20.055 --> 1:24:22.655 And where the boundary line changes, where the boundary line 1:24:22.735 --> 1:24:28.815 changes direction, the posters replaced basically a boundary pig. So's 1:24:28.855 --> 1:24:30.815 being five for twenty five years. But now he's making 1:24:30.935 --> 1:24:35.775 noises and saying, oh, you've illegally removed boundary illegally moved 1:24:35.855 --> 1:24:39.095 boundary pigs. And if you go to sell on a 1:24:39.175 --> 1:24:42.935 thing with the council making the problem for what's the story. 1:24:44.495 --> 1:24:48.615 Removal of a boundary for peg is actually an offense. 1:24:49.735 --> 1:24:56.215 And the surveyor General could intervene and issue some sort 1:24:56.255 --> 1:24:58.495 of fine or something like that. As my understand I'm 1:24:58.495 --> 1:25:00.295 not sure about the fine, but there is there is 1:25:00.495 --> 1:25:04.455 actually a title of Surveyor General, which is a sort 1:25:04.455 --> 1:25:08.175 of kind of an honorary title given to someone who's 1:25:08.295 --> 1:25:13.495 headed the survey as and so removing a boundary peg 1:25:13.655 --> 1:25:17.055 like the white peg in the ground, if it's there, you, 1:25:18.095 --> 1:25:22.695 you and I as mere mortals can't remove them. I 1:25:22.775 --> 1:25:26.055 guess the formal process would be that you have it 1:25:26.215 --> 1:25:29.175 removed by a surveyor. You then put a post in, 1:25:29.375 --> 1:25:32.695 and the surveyor comes back and puts a boundary marker 1:25:33.295 --> 1:25:35.615 on top of the post or on top of the fence. 1:25:35.655 --> 1:25:38.255 And I've seen that often they're a little like aluminum 1:25:38.335 --> 1:25:42.415 disc probably about three centimeters in diameter, which will often 1:25:42.495 --> 1:25:46.015 be placed on a fence to denote the boundary. But 1:25:46.215 --> 1:25:50.655 I do believe that removing a boundary peg is actually 1:25:50.775 --> 1:25:51.335 an offence. 1:25:53.535 --> 1:25:58.615 Okay, so suspense is there, and it's a lovely substantial fence. Yes, 1:26:00.655 --> 1:26:02.055 what's my move to? 1:26:02.535 --> 1:26:05.895 I wonder whether you know to satisfy everyone, perhaps what 1:26:06.015 --> 1:26:09.455 you do unlikely that you're going to share the costs 1:26:09.455 --> 1:26:12.575 with your neighbor, but you know, ring a ring a 1:26:12.655 --> 1:26:15.775 surveyor and say, look, this is what's happened. Can you 1:26:16.255 --> 1:26:20.535 formalize the position of the boundary by undertaking a survey 1:26:21.055 --> 1:26:24.375 and then putting in a boundary marker at the appropriate 1:26:24.495 --> 1:26:26.695 place to indicate where the boundary is, given that the 1:26:26.735 --> 1:26:33.655 boundary peg has been removed, Okay, that that and you know, 1:26:33.815 --> 1:26:37.055 get some quotes on that, because typically these things start 1:26:37.095 --> 1:26:41.935 in the hundreds of dollars. But that I think that 1:26:41.975 --> 1:26:43.095 would satisfy everyone. 1:26:45.455 --> 1:26:52.295 Yeah, the slightest satisfying the neighbor. Okay, I just I 1:26:52.455 --> 1:26:54.455 just want to make sure that he has no. 1:26:58.895 --> 1:27:01.815 Yeah, well then I think that would be the simplest way. So, okay, 1:27:01.935 --> 1:27:05.295 boundary pig has been removed for whatever reason and with 1:27:05.415 --> 1:27:08.295 good intent to build the fence. You could formalize that 1:27:08.455 --> 1:27:12.015 by asking the surveyor to install a boundary marker, and 1:27:12.135 --> 1:27:14.335 then anyone who looks at the property in the future 1:27:14.415 --> 1:27:16.375 can go, oh, great, I can see exactly where the 1:27:16.375 --> 1:27:20.735 boundary is now. Would I would be surprised if more 1:27:20.815 --> 1:27:24.215 than half wouldn't even be that. I don't think it'd 1:27:24.255 --> 1:27:27.415 be more than half of the houses properties in the 1:27:27.455 --> 1:27:31.895 country have actual boundary pigs and markers in place. It's 1:27:32.015 --> 1:27:35.855 not uncommon to find that they've been removed or been 1:27:35.975 --> 1:27:39.095 buried or built over or whatever, So it's not an 1:27:39.215 --> 1:27:41.975 unusual circumstance to be in. But the sheer fact that 1:27:42.055 --> 1:27:44.775 there was one there and now it's not means that 1:27:44.855 --> 1:27:46.775 you could you know, you need to address that, and 1:27:46.975 --> 1:27:48.935 I would do it by having a boundary marker installed. 1:27:50.495 --> 1:27:52.255 Okay, yeah, I hope that happens. 1:27:52.535 --> 1:27:56.055 All right, yea, all the very best, Take care Andrew, 1:27:56.255 --> 1:27:58.855 take care all the this eight hundred eighty ten eighty 1:27:59.575 --> 1:28:00.815 the number call. 1:28:02.855 --> 1:28:03.135 Text. 1:28:03.415 --> 1:28:05.455 How easy is it to get a coas to get 1:28:05.495 --> 1:28:07.535 of acceptance for a gay carriage that's been adjoined to 1:28:07.575 --> 1:28:10.855 a house for over twenty years? I was told after 1:28:10.975 --> 1:28:13.335 I was only told after I bought it, and now 1:28:13.375 --> 1:28:16.335 I want to sell it? Is it an expensive sign off? 1:28:16.415 --> 1:28:23.295 Thanks from K? Yes? I think it is going to 1:28:23.335 --> 1:28:25.575 be expensive? Well, expensive is relative? 1:28:25.695 --> 1:28:25.815 Right? 1:28:26.215 --> 1:28:27.655 Can you do it for five hundred bucks? 1:28:27.735 --> 1:28:27.775 No? 1:28:27.935 --> 1:28:30.575 You can't. Could you do it for five grand? Possibly? 1:28:31.415 --> 1:28:33.175 Is it going to cost you ten grand? I wouldn't 1:28:33.215 --> 1:28:37.535 be surprised, possibly even a bit more. It depends a 1:28:37.615 --> 1:28:41.255 little bit on how much information is already available. So, 1:28:41.415 --> 1:28:45.535 for example, did the work get a building consent but 1:28:45.775 --> 1:28:49.655 never got signed off? So you've got some original plans 1:28:49.735 --> 1:28:53.495 to refer to and permission from council. Was it built 1:28:53.655 --> 1:28:57.375 with no building consent and no permission from council? And 1:28:57.455 --> 1:28:59.575 then how are you going to go about getting that done? 1:29:00.215 --> 1:29:01.855 You're going to have to get it surveyed, You're going 1:29:01.935 --> 1:29:03.975 to have to get it drawn up, You're going to 1:29:04.055 --> 1:29:07.735 have to get it. What it is these days is 1:29:07.855 --> 1:29:11.455 that counsels have kind of changed their attitude. And I've 1:29:11.455 --> 1:29:14.295 probably told this story a number of times, but just 1:29:14.535 --> 1:29:18.175 by way of explanation, I think for a long time, 1:29:18.495 --> 1:29:21.095 for a long time, there were safe and sanitary reports, right, 1:29:21.135 --> 1:29:24.615 And this was the sort of thing that somebody either 1:29:24.735 --> 1:29:26.695 did some work and then went to sell it and 1:29:26.855 --> 1:29:28.935 someone said, oh, but that doesn't look like it's on 1:29:29.015 --> 1:29:32.935 the plan. I've added a bathroom, I've extended the kid's bedroom, 1:29:33.015 --> 1:29:35.335 that sort of thing, and so counsel would come along 1:29:35.375 --> 1:29:37.855 and they'd do a safe and sanitary inspection. Is it safe? 1:29:38.295 --> 1:29:40.095 Is it going to fall down? Is it sanitary? I 1:29:40.575 --> 1:29:43.095 does the poo go in the right direction? Right? That 1:29:43.255 --> 1:29:47.255 was basically it to be blunt, except people were taking 1:29:47.255 --> 1:29:50.215 advantage of that. So people who knew better, who knew 1:29:50.255 --> 1:29:53.015 that you needed to get a building consent or should 1:29:53.055 --> 1:29:55.135 have known, were going, Look, I'm not going to bother 1:29:55.215 --> 1:29:56.735 with a building consent. I'm just going to build it 1:29:56.775 --> 1:29:58.015 and then I'm going to ask them to come along 1:29:58.055 --> 1:30:00.535 give me one of those safe and sanitaries. And so 1:30:00.615 --> 1:30:02.695 I think Council of tweak to that, and so the 1:30:03.455 --> 1:30:06.935 burden of proof is back on the owner the property, 1:30:07.215 --> 1:30:11.215 and the level of compliance is equivalent now to a 1:30:11.255 --> 1:30:13.415 building consent. So if you think I'm not going to 1:30:13.455 --> 1:30:14.935 get a building consent, I'll just go and get one 1:30:14.935 --> 1:30:21.535 of those coas, you're misguided that Council's expectation is that 1:30:21.695 --> 1:30:26.375 you need to prove compliance. Typically that you're going to 1:30:26.415 --> 1:30:29.375 have to engage a building survey who has a suitable 1:30:29.415 --> 1:30:32.775 level of qualification to come and they might find that 1:30:32.855 --> 1:30:35.215 in fact, the building is not compliant and that you're 1:30:35.255 --> 1:30:38.295 going to have to do extensive remedial work to bring 1:30:38.375 --> 1:30:43.015 it up to the current building code. So hey, by 1:30:43.055 --> 1:30:46.415 all means, take the risk, but don't expect it to 1:30:46.495 --> 1:30:49.255 be an easy process anymore to get a CoA. As 1:30:49.335 --> 1:30:51.775 my opinion, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is 1:30:52.015 --> 1:30:53.975 that number to call Dave? Good morning to you. 1:30:55.215 --> 1:31:01.415 Morning, hey day. I've been looking online and there's this 1:31:01.775 --> 1:31:06.215 out to call trade tested and they're advertising portable get 1:31:06.295 --> 1:31:11.175 garriages yep, and also flat packed garages and they come 1:31:11.255 --> 1:31:13.895 and all sort of sizes, from little workshops right up 1:31:13.935 --> 1:31:16.695 to double bay garages. Is how do I know that 1:31:16.895 --> 1:31:20.135 these things are compliant to New Zealand standards? Another, which, 1:31:20.135 --> 1:31:21.695 how do I know I can buy one and put 1:31:21.735 --> 1:31:22.815 them one up here? 1:31:25.935 --> 1:31:28.015 Given that you've mentioned a company's name and I don't 1:31:28.095 --> 1:31:30.255 know them, and I you know, I don't know what 1:31:30.455 --> 1:31:32.975 the ins and outs of the individual product, but I 1:31:33.935 --> 1:31:37.415 this is how I would approach it. If those are 1:31:37.495 --> 1:31:40.735 the sizes of a building that you could build without 1:31:40.895 --> 1:31:47.775 necessarily requiring a building consent. Now, even buildings that are 1:31:47.855 --> 1:31:50.855 built not requiring a building consent still need to be 1:31:50.935 --> 1:31:55.455 built according to the New Zealand Building Code. But they 1:31:55.535 --> 1:31:58.895 are a non habitable building, right, So the requirements for 1:31:59.255 --> 1:32:03.375 a garage are less than the requirements for a habitable space. 1:32:04.095 --> 1:32:09.455 So okay, again, doesn't require installation, doesn't require interior linings, 1:32:10.295 --> 1:32:14.415 The bracing elements will be slightly different potentially, you know, 1:32:14.495 --> 1:32:18.655 lots of things will be different. So I guess the 1:32:18.775 --> 1:32:20.855 first people to ask would be the company that you're 1:32:20.855 --> 1:32:25.255 thinking about purchasing one from, and I guess they should 1:32:25.375 --> 1:32:28.935 be able to provide you with a really straightforward sort 1:32:28.935 --> 1:32:33.735 of explanation that goes, hey, this is the building. This 1:32:33.935 --> 1:32:36.175 is how it complies in terms of, you know, is 1:32:36.215 --> 1:32:37.895 it going to stay up, is it going to be 1:32:38.015 --> 1:32:41.255 reasonably weather tight and so on. But it doesn't necessarily 1:32:41.375 --> 1:32:43.775 need to be of the standard of a habitable space 1:32:43.895 --> 1:32:44.815 because it's not one. 1:32:45.935 --> 1:32:51.415 Okay, yeah, but any would there be any paperwork that 1:32:51.495 --> 1:32:53.815 would come with it to say that it's being built 1:32:53.895 --> 1:32:55.975 to New Zealand standards or. 1:32:57.615 --> 1:33:01.055 That's really a question you should ask the provider. I mean, 1:33:01.535 --> 1:33:04.015 but you know, ideally it would. And again it kind 1:33:04.055 --> 1:33:06.215 of loops back to a much earlier conversation we had 1:33:06.855 --> 1:33:11.575 that I wonder whether all of this discussion around effectively 1:33:11.695 --> 1:33:14.495 small scale buildings granny flats that could be built without 1:33:14.575 --> 1:33:17.775 necessarily built in having a building consent. I think a 1:33:17.855 --> 1:33:21.855 quick way to compliance would be to allow existing manufacturers 1:33:21.855 --> 1:33:26.095 who can prove their quality assurance that they would be 1:33:26.215 --> 1:33:29.575 the providers of these sorts of buildings right and in 1:33:29.695 --> 1:33:32.815 the same way that if this company is importing structure, 1:33:33.415 --> 1:33:36.215 it needs to comply. It needs to comply with things 1:33:36.255 --> 1:33:38.815 like the Consumer Guarantees Act. So you know if you 1:33:38.935 --> 1:33:40.975 put it up and you bolt it together with the 1:33:41.095 --> 1:33:43.615 right number of bolts and the right number of fixings 1:33:43.655 --> 1:33:45.935 and the right amount of bracing, that it will stay 1:33:46.015 --> 1:33:51.615 up and perform as it should. So there's multiple parts 1:33:51.655 --> 1:33:54.455 of legislation. There's obviously the Building Act, but there's also 1:33:54.535 --> 1:33:56.175 things like the Consumer Guarantees Act. 1:33:58.895 --> 1:34:03.335 What size? What's the largest legal size I can buy? 1:34:05.095 --> 1:34:07.295 I'm not sure about the largest legal size you can buy, 1:34:07.375 --> 1:34:10.855 but typically in the right now, under what they call 1:34:10.935 --> 1:34:13.775 Shedule one of the Building Act, you can build a 1:34:14.455 --> 1:34:18.055 car port up to forty square meters. You can do 1:34:18.775 --> 1:34:23.535 a non habitable space like a workshop, garage, sleepout, etc. 1:34:23.975 --> 1:34:27.735 Up to thirty square meters. And you can do a 1:34:27.975 --> 1:34:32.455 shed like as a canopy type or a shed in 1:34:32.495 --> 1:34:35.135 a farm environment up to one hundred and ten square meters. 1:34:37.175 --> 1:34:41.415 All of this is changing quite a lot, so go 1:34:41.575 --> 1:34:44.735 back a couple of years. The maximum size for a 1:34:44.775 --> 1:34:48.535 dwelling like a habitable space as in a sleepout no plumbing, 1:34:49.495 --> 1:34:52.135 was ten square meters. That's moved to thirty square meters. Now, 1:34:52.375 --> 1:34:54.135 all of the talk from the government at the moment 1:34:54.255 --> 1:34:57.135 is that's going to shift to seventy square meters, saying 1:34:57.255 --> 1:35:02.015 that it overlaps with other local planning regulations. So even 1:35:02.095 --> 1:35:04.775 though you could build a garage without necessarily requiring a 1:35:04.815 --> 1:35:07.855 building consent, you have to come apply with the planning rules, 1:35:08.255 --> 1:35:10.295 and that typically is that the building needs to be 1:35:10.415 --> 1:35:13.415 the height of the building away from the boundary. Okay, 1:35:13.615 --> 1:35:15.895 now you might want to build a meter from the boundary. 1:35:16.255 --> 1:35:18.855 That's then going to trigger a requirement for a building consent. 1:35:19.295 --> 1:35:22.535 Building consent would mean that you would need to provide 1:35:22.535 --> 1:35:25.735 evidence from the supplier that the building is going to 1:35:25.775 --> 1:35:28.175 comply with the building code. So that would be an 1:35:28.215 --> 1:35:30.895 interesting way of approaching it with the suppliers to go. 1:35:31.375 --> 1:35:33.415 My intention is that I'm going to get a building 1:35:33.455 --> 1:35:36.695 consent for this. Can I submit your plans as part 1:35:36.735 --> 1:35:39.495 of my building consent and will the building be compliant? 1:35:39.655 --> 1:35:40.975 Be interesting to see what their answer is. 1:35:41.535 --> 1:35:42.815 Yeah, that's really good at Angle. 1:35:43.135 --> 1:35:45.655 Thanks a lot, Pete, my pleasure, lovely talking with you 1:35:45.935 --> 1:35:49.855 all the best. Take care by Remember after the break 1:35:49.895 --> 1:35:52.095 we're talking insurance, but we'll take your calls right up 1:35:52.135 --> 1:35:53.815 to New Sport and weather top of the are on 1:35:54.015 --> 1:36:00.815 this Easter Sunday. Ah, I'm just intrigued about the terminology. 1:36:00.975 --> 1:36:03.775 Here we go, Pete. Easter Day is a tradition in 1:36:03.815 --> 1:36:06.575 the Anglican Church. I used to change the boards church 1:36:06.615 --> 1:36:10.175 each week. When I changed to Catholicism. That's when I 1:36:10.295 --> 1:36:13.455 noticed that they used as in they as inn we 1:36:13.775 --> 1:36:17.255 and me, I'm a Catholic, changed it to Catholicism. That's 1:36:17.295 --> 1:36:20.015 what I know. They used East Sunday, different terminology between 1:36:20.055 --> 1:36:21.895 the two churches. But of course it's the same day. 1:36:22.055 --> 1:36:24.095 It depends on which side of the fence one is on. 1:36:24.535 --> 1:36:25.375 Thank you, Kiriama. 1:36:25.455 --> 1:36:25.855 That's great. 1:36:25.935 --> 1:36:29.855 Oh that explains why I say Easter Sunday not Easter Day. 1:36:30.295 --> 1:36:32.575 Oh wait, there you go. I've learned something today. Oh 1:36:32.615 --> 1:36:34.375 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to 1:36:34.415 --> 1:36:36.375 call ready a very good morning to you. 1:36:37.415 --> 1:36:38.255 Ah, hi, good morning. 1:36:38.295 --> 1:36:40.055 How are you morning? I'm very well in yourself? 1:36:40.495 --> 1:36:41.655 Yes, yeah, thank you. 1:36:42.055 --> 1:36:42.215 Hey. 1:36:42.855 --> 1:36:44.575 Just to have a quarry, you know there is an 1:36:44.615 --> 1:36:48.935 existing building, yes, under and there there are like a 1:36:49.015 --> 1:36:52.375 lot of wooden windows. Yes, so there are some of 1:36:52.495 --> 1:36:55.415 them like a ratten and filing golf and just my 1:36:55.535 --> 1:36:59.455 infantion is like just to replace them with the aluminum windows. 1:36:59.895 --> 1:37:03.215 So to do that, do we need a building content I. 1:37:03.255 --> 1:37:06.055 Don't believe that you do so, as long as you 1:37:06.175 --> 1:37:09.375 don't change the size of the window in terms of 1:37:09.415 --> 1:37:12.255 the width of it in particular, like you could if 1:37:12.295 --> 1:37:16.175 you wanted to lower the sill and make the window 1:37:16.215 --> 1:37:19.655 effectively taller, but you can't change the lintel, so you 1:37:19.775 --> 1:37:23.895 can't change the width of it. You still need to 1:37:24.295 --> 1:37:30.855 install the new joinery as per the building code, so 1:37:31.015 --> 1:37:33.975 you might need to add some tape around the perimeter. 1:37:34.215 --> 1:37:38.055 You might need to install a WANs bar if you're 1:37:38.055 --> 1:37:42.015 doing aluminium jewry. If you use uPVC joinery, you don't 1:37:42.055 --> 1:37:44.615 need to use a wands bar in some instances, certainly 1:37:44.655 --> 1:37:47.895 not with the stark windows. So there's a couple of alternatives, 1:37:47.975 --> 1:37:51.135 but in general you can do that work under Schedule 1:37:51.175 --> 1:37:51.655 one of the Act. 1:37:52.775 --> 1:37:56.735 Okay, And this appla same for residential as well as 1:37:56.775 --> 1:37:57.615 commercial as well. 1:38:00.655 --> 1:38:04.455 I can't really speak for commercial because that's not my 1:38:04.615 --> 1:38:07.015 area of expertise, but you know, for example, if it 1:38:07.135 --> 1:38:10.655 was a multi story building, you've got different issues in 1:38:10.775 --> 1:38:13.735 terms of wind loading and weather tightness and so on, 1:38:13.855 --> 1:38:18.415 So i'd seek specific advice. But on a residential building, AH, 1:38:18.975 --> 1:38:22.295 confident that you can replace timber four aluminium undershared your 1:38:22.335 --> 1:38:22.815 one of the act. 1:38:24.055 --> 1:38:28.535 Oh yeah, all right, yeah, thank you so much to best. 1:38:28.055 --> 1:38:30.295 Take care, Thank you very much, thank you. Oh eight 1:38:30.415 --> 1:38:32.215 hundred eighty ten eighty. We've still got time for a 1:38:32.255 --> 1:38:35.455 couple more calls, so the lines are open. The number 1:38:35.655 --> 1:38:38.575 is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Texts are great as well, 1:38:39.175 --> 1:38:44.335 um concealed spouting. We overcame the issue by cutting one 1:38:44.415 --> 1:38:46.775 hundred point fifty hole through the facire at the height 1:38:46.815 --> 1:38:49.135 about one third down of the box gutter. This ax 1:38:49.295 --> 1:38:52.655 is an overflow and extreme weather, so no more internal leaks. 1:38:52.695 --> 1:38:56.175 It's a good temporary solution. I wouldn't disagree with you. 1:38:56.295 --> 1:38:59.695 I mean it's it's it's allowing the water to get 1:38:59.775 --> 1:39:03.015 out before it gets in basically, so that that's not 1:39:03.135 --> 1:39:07.775 a bad idea. In fact, tell you what was really interesting? 1:39:07.935 --> 1:39:08.895 What was to me anyway? 1:39:09.935 --> 1:39:13.175 The other day I was again it was talking with 1:39:13.295 --> 1:39:16.655 the spouting guys at one of the home and garden 1:39:16.695 --> 1:39:19.455 shows that I go to. And it was down a 1:39:19.535 --> 1:39:26.095 top or actually, and we were chatting about like what 1:39:26.335 --> 1:39:28.815 happens in heavy rain, and this is something that I 1:39:28.895 --> 1:39:31.935 think right across the country, we're all going to have 1:39:32.055 --> 1:39:37.655 to start designing for these these intense bursts of heavy rain. 1:39:37.735 --> 1:39:40.735 And I think reading through the data, one part of 1:39:40.775 --> 1:39:44.215 Auckland experienced about one hundred and ten millimeters of rain 1:39:44.295 --> 1:39:46.575 over a relatively short period. I think over a two 1:39:46.655 --> 1:39:51.455 hour period. Now, that's going to overwhelm most conventional spouting. 1:39:51.495 --> 1:39:53.735 And what often happens with spouting is if you look 1:39:53.735 --> 1:39:56.335 at it through a cross section, the front lip is 1:39:56.975 --> 1:40:00.095 higher than the back. So if the spouting is overwhelmed 1:40:00.175 --> 1:40:03.135 and wants to flood, typically the water floods over the 1:40:03.255 --> 1:40:07.135 back and in some cases can drain ou because if 1:40:07.175 --> 1:40:09.255 you do, depending on what type of clips and what 1:40:09.375 --> 1:40:11.535 type of spouting, you've always got a little bit of 1:40:11.575 --> 1:40:15.135 a gap between the back of the spouting and the faciboard. 1:40:15.175 --> 1:40:18.655 This is for conventional sort of spouting. And the discussion 1:40:18.655 --> 1:40:22.015 I was having was that I think the council in 1:40:22.255 --> 1:40:26.095 Rotor UH are insisting that you put a twelve mill 1:40:26.295 --> 1:40:32.055 packer behind the spouting to give a drainage gap, which 1:40:33.215 --> 1:40:36.375 is interesting. I sort of never really thought about it. 1:40:36.415 --> 1:40:37.375 When you do think about it. 1:40:37.415 --> 1:40:37.575 You go. 1:40:37.655 --> 1:40:40.775 Actually, that's kind of sensible that it allows an easy 1:40:40.895 --> 1:40:44.175 passage for water when the spouting is overwhelmed. When the 1:40:44.535 --> 1:40:46.855 number of downpipes, even if the number of downpipes is 1:40:46.935 --> 1:40:49.815 correct according to the building code, etc. Is still going 1:40:49.855 --> 1:40:52.175 to get overwhelmed. Or maybe there's a blockage in the 1:40:52.215 --> 1:40:54.615 storm wat line that's backed up through the downpipe and 1:40:54.735 --> 1:40:57.935 therefore the water can't get away that In those instances, 1:40:58.095 --> 1:41:00.415 rather than having to force its way through a relatively 1:41:00.535 --> 1:41:03.415 narrow gap, you provide a twelve mil gap like you 1:41:03.535 --> 1:41:07.415 do for fixings against exis cladding. If you're doing a 1:41:07.455 --> 1:41:09.975 boundary joist or something like that, or ribbon plate, you 1:41:10.015 --> 1:41:11.935 need to pank it off the wall. Do exactly the 1:41:11.975 --> 1:41:13.975 same thing with the spouting, and it'll allow the water 1:41:14.175 --> 1:41:17.535 just to drain straight out there. Interesting. Oh, one hundred 1:41:17.535 --> 1:41:19.655 and eighty ten eighty. Let's get back to the calls, Trevor, 1:41:19.735 --> 1:41:21.375 A very good morning to you. 1:41:22.415 --> 1:41:24.655 Why don't you just get hold of mister Marley and 1:41:24.775 --> 1:41:27.095 ask them to build the to make the back of 1:41:27.135 --> 1:41:29.615 the spouting a lot taller than the front of the spouting. 1:41:30.775 --> 1:41:33.575 Yes, now that came up with the discussion as well, 1:41:33.655 --> 1:41:37.055 and I have seen there's an importer of a sort 1:41:37.095 --> 1:41:41.175 of European brand of spouting that's come in where the 1:41:41.775 --> 1:41:44.415 back is much higher than the front, or know, a 1:41:44.455 --> 1:41:48.015 little bit higher than the front twenty millimeters or thereabouts. 1:41:48.775 --> 1:41:51.855 The issue I think why we have typically had the 1:41:51.975 --> 1:41:54.215 profile of spouting that we have is we want to 1:41:54.335 --> 1:41:57.215 cover the end of the sheets, and because we typically 1:41:57.375 --> 1:41:59.975 don't have as steep a roofs as they do in Europe. 1:42:00.455 --> 1:42:02.495 Most of the time, if you didn't have a tall 1:42:02.575 --> 1:42:05.015 upstand on the front of the spouting, you'd see the 1:42:05.135 --> 1:42:10.095 profile of the roof from ground level. I think that's 1:42:10.135 --> 1:42:10.735 what it's about. 1:42:12.015 --> 1:42:12.495 Anyway, that. 1:42:14.455 --> 1:42:16.935 We can head in all sorts of different directions. Talk 1:42:16.975 --> 1:42:17.855 to me about boundaries. 1:42:18.575 --> 1:42:23.015 Boundaries. We live in a rural property and after the 1:42:23.095 --> 1:42:26.615 Anniversary Day floods, we had a visit from the nice 1:42:26.695 --> 1:42:34.735 little man from e QC who showed me the satellite boundaries. 1:42:35.615 --> 1:42:39.335 Now there is not one on this property that is accurate. 1:42:40.015 --> 1:42:45.175 I have gained a fejo ahead, which is good, and 1:42:45.335 --> 1:42:49.295 I've lost a line of gum trees which are interfering 1:42:49.375 --> 1:42:52.775 with the power lines, which is also good. But none 1:42:52.775 --> 1:42:55.975 of the boundaries are with any well. I know we're 1:42:56.015 --> 1:42:58.735 one boundary pegg is but then of course recycling up 1:42:58.775 --> 1:43:01.095 where the other ones are. But certainly going on the 1:43:01.175 --> 1:43:04.055 fence lines which I assume we're under the boundaries. None 1:43:04.055 --> 1:43:07.015 of them were within Koui and the other. And my 1:43:07.215 --> 1:43:11.175 son who was doing alterations on a place in Balmoral 1:43:12.015 --> 1:43:14.855 in case that was the house was built in nineteen 1:43:14.895 --> 1:43:18.055 oh eight, it would have been surveyed a long time ago, 1:43:19.335 --> 1:43:22.295 miles out and he went to do the alteration. So 1:43:22.815 --> 1:43:25.735 for this guy who's put got his boundary peg and 1:43:26.255 --> 1:43:28.335 if he was to get the satellite one, and he 1:43:28.415 --> 1:43:29.895 said it was you know, I don't know when it 1:43:30.015 --> 1:43:31.575 was survey at that place, but if he had to 1:43:31.615 --> 1:43:34.215 get the satellite one, he may find that the fence 1:43:34.335 --> 1:43:37.095 is actually not in the right spot. Anyway, I know, 1:43:37.175 --> 1:43:38.975 which which one do you go to? Do you go 1:43:40.095 --> 1:43:42.015 old the oddllite one or do you go to the 1:43:42.575 --> 1:43:44.015 or do you go to the satellite survey. 1:43:44.975 --> 1:43:47.615 When you say satellite are you talking about cadastral survey. 1:43:48.615 --> 1:43:50.455 Yeah, well the ones that the one that the e 1:43:50.575 --> 1:43:56.455 QC guys had actually gave all the boundaries as what 1:43:57.095 --> 1:43:59.655 you know, what they have accept as the boundaries. But 1:43:59.815 --> 1:44:02.655 that is nowhere near where the boundaries are situated on 1:44:02.735 --> 1:44:03.335 this property. 1:44:04.495 --> 1:44:11.215 Yes, I guess I'd look at it this way that 1:44:11.335 --> 1:44:14.855 I think we're kind of in between two technologies. Right. 1:44:15.015 --> 1:44:18.855 So for all of the time up to quite recently, 1:44:19.415 --> 1:44:21.535 as long as we've been selling land and surveying it, 1:44:21.975 --> 1:44:26.575 we've typically had individual surveyors updating individual plans right with 1:44:26.695 --> 1:44:32.255 their local authority, Whereas as I understand it, today surveyors 1:44:32.335 --> 1:44:36.375 are able to upload their data into a combined system 1:44:36.535 --> 1:44:40.815 and it's that cadastral survey right, So the accuracy of 1:44:41.215 --> 1:44:45.735 all of the surveys is increasing because each individual survey 1:44:46.055 --> 1:44:49.615 result gets added to a big picture. But it only 1:44:49.655 --> 1:44:55.455 happens when a survey is undertaken. So like I know 1:44:55.575 --> 1:45:00.335 of properties where they are sold subject to parcel, so 1:45:00.535 --> 1:45:02.815 fee simple subject to parcel, which is a way of 1:45:02.895 --> 1:45:05.735 saying we don't actually know how much land we're selling 1:45:05.815 --> 1:45:07.855 you or you're buying. 1:45:08.015 --> 1:45:09.815 Not quite common in rural area. 1:45:09.935 --> 1:45:12.335 And it's quite common in older areas. So your son 1:45:12.375 --> 1:45:14.975 who's working in Balmore, if it's a nineteen oh eight house, 1:45:15.415 --> 1:45:18.855 it's not that it hasn't been well, possibly it's never 1:45:18.935 --> 1:45:22.935 been surveyed. Or what you get as a save ay okay, 1:45:23.295 --> 1:45:26.655 which is to be fair a little. I'm familiar with 1:45:26.735 --> 1:45:30.295 a property where four houses in a row only know 1:45:30.495 --> 1:45:34.695 what their overall perimeter boundary is. The boundary in between 1:45:34.775 --> 1:45:41.095 each of those houses is undetermined, and that's not uncommon. 1:45:41.495 --> 1:45:44.455 So I guess you know, if one of those particular 1:45:44.495 --> 1:45:48.055 properties was to undertake a building, you know, some extensions 1:45:48.175 --> 1:45:52.535 and needed to determine heightened to relation to boundary, how 1:45:52.655 --> 1:45:55.255 heightened relation to boundary, they would probably have to then 1:45:55.375 --> 1:45:58.455 go and get a survey done and then it would 1:45:58.535 --> 1:46:00.695 determine the boundary. But right now I know for a 1:46:00.735 --> 1:46:03.455 fact the boundary is just not determined. So but I 1:46:03.535 --> 1:46:06.615 think over time, as obviously we moved to a didal 1:46:07.215 --> 1:46:09.855 platform for all of the surveys, the amount of data 1:46:09.895 --> 1:46:15.735 will increase dramatically and the accuracy will increase dramatically, whether 1:46:15.815 --> 1:46:18.295 or not I when you say satellite, I don't know 1:46:18.375 --> 1:46:21.215 that I'd work off a satellite image, because that might. 1:46:21.135 --> 1:46:22.695 Be I assumed it was satellite. 1:46:24.295 --> 1:46:26.855 It might be the cadastral system. 1:46:26.255 --> 1:46:29.415 You see Manhattan his hand when he came down, and 1:46:29.495 --> 1:46:31.975 when I looked at it, I thought God had none 1:46:32.015 --> 1:46:34.895 of the none of the fences are within Yeah. Three 1:46:35.015 --> 1:46:37.575 photos of the look. 1:46:37.655 --> 1:46:43.095 I remember building a garage in Mount Eden, probably thirty 1:46:43.215 --> 1:46:45.695 years ago, and there's a big old stone fence right 1:46:46.015 --> 1:46:49.775 from way back in the day, and everyone just assumed 1:46:49.815 --> 1:46:52.695 that the fence was the boundary and it wasn't. So 1:46:53.775 --> 1:46:55.975 I know lots of fences that are no like you 1:46:56.415 --> 1:47:01.055 nowhere near the boundary in the I appreciate the conversation 1:47:01.295 --> 1:47:04.335 and the discussion. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Now 1:47:04.455 --> 1:47:06.895 after the break, we might take one or two quick calls, 1:47:07.495 --> 1:47:10.335 and then we're going to talk insurance. What's public liability, 1:47:10.415 --> 1:47:12.895 what's contract works insurance? When do you need to talk 1:47:12.935 --> 1:47:15.455 to your insurer. We've got an expert who can answer 1:47:15.535 --> 1:47:18.855 some of those questions. General advice around insurance coming up 1:47:18.935 --> 1:47:22.815 after the break. Now, when do I need to stop talking, 1:47:23.455 --> 1:47:26.615 because we're going to do that at some stage. We've 1:47:26.615 --> 1:47:29.375 got a new sport and weather for you coming up shortly. 1:47:30.415 --> 1:47:32.935 But we will take another calls too, eight hundred and 1:47:32.975 --> 1:47:33.615 eighty ten eighty. 1:47:34.095 --> 1:47:37.015 Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering 1:47:37.055 --> 1:47:38.575 how to fix that hole in the wall. 1:47:38.615 --> 1:47:40.215 Do you have a feed a wolf GAFA call on 1:47:42.295 --> 1:47:44.135 the resident builder on Newstalks. 1:47:44.135 --> 1:47:46.375 I'd b had a very good morning to you. We're 1:47:46.415 --> 1:47:49.255 back into the show The Resident Builder on Sunday. That's 1:47:49.295 --> 1:47:51.815 with me Pete wolf Camp right through till nine o'clock 1:47:51.895 --> 1:47:55.815 this morning. Slightly different format today obviously because it is 1:47:55.975 --> 1:47:59.415 Easter Sunday, so we're commercial free, lots of time for 1:47:59.495 --> 1:48:01.175 your calls, and it's been a really good morning. Actually, 1:48:01.215 --> 1:48:03.615 thank you very much for those who have participated. It 1:48:03.775 --> 1:48:08.735 is eight minutes, six minutes. Part me after eight to 1:48:08.975 --> 1:48:10.935 take a couple of quick calls, and then we're going 1:48:11.015 --> 1:48:14.095 to have a chat with Meg Warner, whose executive manager, 1:48:14.295 --> 1:48:19.655 broker and specialist claims is from NZI and it's an 1:48:19.695 --> 1:48:22.615 opportunity based on some earlier conversations we've had on this 1:48:22.695 --> 1:48:28.015 show about renovations, alterations and insurance. Who gets what types 1:48:28.055 --> 1:48:30.375 of insurances are on off? Who do you have to 1:48:30.455 --> 1:48:32.855 talk to and that sort of thing. So hopefully we'll 1:48:32.895 --> 1:48:35.735 cast a little bit of light in a general sense 1:48:35.815 --> 1:48:38.895 onto some of those insurance questions. But before we get 1:48:38.975 --> 1:48:41.535 to Meg, we're just going to quick chat with you. John. Hey, 1:48:41.655 --> 1:48:42.415 how are you doing. 1:48:43.975 --> 1:48:44.135 Good? 1:48:44.215 --> 1:48:44.295 Ay? 1:48:44.375 --> 1:48:46.415 John? Hello, Hey, good morning. 1:48:47.375 --> 1:48:50.735 Good morning. Yeah. So I have a garage that's been 1:48:50.855 --> 1:48:51.975 lined with flywood. 1:48:52.295 --> 1:48:52.495 Yep. 1:48:55.015 --> 1:48:58.175 Recently a car crashed into a fence that's next to 1:48:58.215 --> 1:49:03.215 the garage and the tenant claimed that the garage at 1:49:03.415 --> 1:49:06.735 flywood Or had been damaged. But that hasn't been damaged 1:49:06.775 --> 1:49:07.095 at all. 1:49:07.815 --> 1:49:07.975 Right. 1:49:09.135 --> 1:49:11.975 As a response, the insurance set their own builder and 1:49:12.455 --> 1:49:17.175 look at it, and the builder told the tenant that 1:49:17.455 --> 1:49:21.575 the garage should be condemned because of the plywood. May 1:49:21.695 --> 1:49:25.495 they think it's been made into a sleep hour when 1:49:25.535 --> 1:49:30.415 it's just the garage with plywood. And so I'm really 1:49:30.495 --> 1:49:34.735 upset that the tenant now doesn't go into the garage 1:49:34.815 --> 1:49:39.895 because she's been told by the insurances builder that it's condemned. 1:49:41.855 --> 1:49:44.215 So that's really confusing for me because I thought counsels 1:49:44.295 --> 1:49:45.655 were the ones that do the condemning. 1:49:47.375 --> 1:49:55.175 Yeah, the blood answer would be to say to that builder, 1:49:55.535 --> 1:49:58.775 get back in your box, right, you're not there to 1:49:58.895 --> 1:50:01.135 comment on that. You're just there to assess is there 1:50:01.215 --> 1:50:04.695 damage to the internal linings caused by an accident? And 1:50:04.815 --> 1:50:08.415 that's a useful no. They then, I mean, look I 1:50:08.695 --> 1:50:11.095 get it from you know, if they had concerns that, 1:50:11.535 --> 1:50:16.175 in fact the building was being used as addition an 1:50:16.215 --> 1:50:20.335 extra bedroom and it was far from being suitable for habitation. 1:50:20.935 --> 1:50:23.135 Then you know, as a civic duty, good on them 1:50:23.175 --> 1:50:26.015 for pointing that out. But in this instance it's not. 1:50:26.455 --> 1:50:29.055 And unless he's got grounds to say that there is 1:50:29.175 --> 1:50:33.695 some Well, if because a car crashed into the side 1:50:33.695 --> 1:50:36.575 of it, the building's unsafe, then yes, you could say 1:50:36.735 --> 1:50:38.935 no one should go into the until it's made safe. 1:50:39.055 --> 1:50:41.375 But that's the only base crashed. 1:50:41.095 --> 1:50:45.415 Into the fence. The fence. It didn't didn't touch the building, 1:50:45.495 --> 1:50:48.015 it didn't touch the garage. The problem is the tenant 1:50:48.455 --> 1:50:51.775 was the one that made a claim, right because I 1:50:52.335 --> 1:50:56.855 didn't see the building she said that, oh the garage 1:50:56.895 --> 1:50:59.735 has been damaged too. Because I don't know why she 1:50:59.855 --> 1:51:03.215 said that. Maybe she thought she'd get a free, new 1:51:03.295 --> 1:51:04.695 yet brandy garage out of it. 1:51:04.735 --> 1:51:05.295 It was on there. 1:51:05.335 --> 1:51:08.375 I really go John, I wonder whether the simple answer 1:51:08.495 --> 1:51:12.535 is to get another suitably suitably qualified person LBP building 1:51:12.575 --> 1:51:15.095 serve to have a look at the building, do a 1:51:15.175 --> 1:51:19.335 quick note to say, look, it's structurally sound. It's you know, 1:51:19.495 --> 1:51:22.935 it doesn't need to be building code compliant, it just 1:51:23.015 --> 1:51:26.655 needs to be sound and safe. And then you can 1:51:26.695 --> 1:51:29.815 give that to the tenant and say, look, there's no 1:51:29.975 --> 1:51:32.735 concerns around it. I think that might be the simplest 1:51:32.775 --> 1:51:36.615 way forward. Again, in some ways, I admire the civic 1:51:36.775 --> 1:51:39.935 responsibility shown by the person, but also if that's not 1:51:40.015 --> 1:51:42.495 what they're asked to look at, then they shouldn't comment 1:51:42.535 --> 1:51:44.695 on it. It's as simple as that. Appreciate the call 1:51:44.775 --> 1:51:46.535 John and Crystal, Hello. 1:51:47.735 --> 1:51:49.055 Good morning, long time they speak. 1:51:49.575 --> 1:51:51.255 I know that's right. 1:51:52.255 --> 1:51:55.855 So under this new legislation which is increasing the permissive 1:51:55.895 --> 1:52:01.495 development of on your back looms trade, does it go 1:52:01.655 --> 1:52:04.455 on the actual square leaderage? So could I take two 1:52:04.855 --> 1:52:06.935 small dwellings on the back to add up to the 1:52:07.095 --> 1:52:08.815 same amount of the square message. 1:52:11.295 --> 1:52:13.575 I don't know that the intention is for you to 1:52:13.775 --> 1:52:17.215 combine the numbers, but if you had enough space, I 1:52:17.295 --> 1:52:19.655 don't think there's anything that says you can't have more 1:52:19.735 --> 1:52:20.375 than one. 1:52:21.535 --> 1:52:23.575 Right because I have a quarter acre section and I've 1:52:23.575 --> 1:52:24.855 got more than a space. 1:52:25.055 --> 1:52:28.935 Yeah, thousand square meters on a quarter acre section the 1:52:29.055 --> 1:52:32.655 existing house. But remember what the government is talking about 1:52:32.735 --> 1:52:36.535 is building legislation. They are not talking about planning legislation. 1:52:37.855 --> 1:52:40.895 So a building needs to comply with both of those 1:52:40.975 --> 1:52:43.295 pieces of legislation. And what you might find is that 1:52:43.495 --> 1:52:46.495 council in your area say, actually, we don't have the 1:52:46.575 --> 1:52:50.855 infrastructure to accommodate two additional habitable spaces. We've only got 1:52:50.895 --> 1:52:53.455 the infrastructure for one. So we're not going to give 1:52:53.495 --> 1:52:55.415 permission for it. Even if you don't need a building 1:52:55.455 --> 1:52:57.855 consent for it, you won't get planning permission. The other 1:52:57.975 --> 1:53:00.455 thing is, while it might seem like you've got the space, 1:53:00.575 --> 1:53:03.375 you need to maintain a certain distance between them, so 1:53:03.495 --> 1:53:06.095 that might be an issue. It might be driveways. You know, 1:53:06.375 --> 1:53:10.015 It's like, I like the idea of where they're heading, 1:53:10.055 --> 1:53:13.135 but I think the complexity is there, and there's a 1:53:13.255 --> 1:53:18.775 lot still that needs to be resolved or discussed. 1:53:18.255 --> 1:53:18.975 And so on. 1:53:19.215 --> 1:53:23.175 So yeah, my last suggestion would be they can have 1:53:23.255 --> 1:53:26.095 a set of approved in Nerica plans, but you'd go online, 1:53:26.175 --> 1:53:28.215 you know for all different types of dwellings. Yeah, and 1:53:28.255 --> 1:53:29.855 you could just use the one that you want to use, 1:53:29.895 --> 1:53:32.375 and then you know, that's that's that complies. If you know, 1:53:32.415 --> 1:53:33.175 that would be a good idea. 1:53:33.215 --> 1:53:35.855 I think I think there's some real grounds for that 1:53:35.975 --> 1:53:38.495 sort of thing to develop. So you know, even as 1:53:38.535 --> 1:53:40.695 a designer, you could say, well, look here, I'm offering 1:53:40.775 --> 1:53:42.855 up a set of plans that if you build it 1:53:42.895 --> 1:53:44.975 in accordance with my set of plans, the building will 1:53:45.015 --> 1:53:47.775 be code compliance. It's a sixty square meters that would 1:53:47.775 --> 1:53:50.495 be that'd be a great business to start there. 1:53:50.535 --> 1:53:54.495 You go, absolutely all right, and to you too. 1:53:55.575 --> 1:53:57.055 Yeah, I got to take it easy on the chocolate 1:53:57.135 --> 1:54:00.855 these days, but it's been quite the interesting exercise for 1:54:00.935 --> 1:54:04.975 me personally. In a rather rash decision the day before 1:54:05.015 --> 1:54:07.975 Ash Wednesday, which is the state of Lent, when asked 1:54:08.015 --> 1:54:10.215 what I was going to give up, which is part 1:54:10.255 --> 1:54:13.175 of our tradition for Lent, I said, well, I'll give 1:54:13.255 --> 1:54:19.095 up alcohol, which I've done, which has been interesting right now. 1:54:19.295 --> 1:54:22.735 Over the years that we've done the show, insurance we've 1:54:22.815 --> 1:54:25.575 often talked about, and so it's a great pleasure to 1:54:25.695 --> 1:54:28.735 connect with Meg Warner from Enzie the other day to 1:54:29.015 --> 1:54:31.975 talk about specific insurance. We're going to do that in 1:54:32.135 --> 1:54:34.215 just a moment. A couple of weeks ago, a couple 1:54:34.255 --> 1:54:36.535 of months ago, on the program, we had a call 1:54:36.975 --> 1:54:40.495 and someone was talking about insurance. They had a contractor 1:54:40.535 --> 1:54:42.335 who was coming to do some work at their house. 1:54:42.775 --> 1:54:46.215 It seemed a kind of unusual arrangement where he was saying, look, 1:54:46.255 --> 1:54:48.495 I'll take out an insurance policy, but you agree to 1:54:48.535 --> 1:54:51.935 pay the excess rather confusing, and it got me thinking 1:54:52.015 --> 1:54:54.655 about all of us. If we're thinking about renovations, if 1:54:54.695 --> 1:54:57.975 we think about alterations, what type of insurance do we need? 1:54:58.535 --> 1:55:00.615 And I figured that we should talk to an expert. 1:55:00.735 --> 1:55:03.295 So it is great to have Meg from Enzie here 1:55:03.735 --> 1:55:08.975 to talk about some really base terms around renovations and insurance. Meek, 1:55:09.015 --> 1:55:10.095 thanks very much for joining us. 1:55:10.215 --> 1:55:11.255 Thanks for having me, Pete. 1:55:11.815 --> 1:55:14.815 So let's start. I'm about to do some work on 1:55:15.015 --> 1:55:18.175 my house, and let's say it's just painting a bedroom. 1:55:18.255 --> 1:55:19.415 Do I need to ring the insurer? 1:55:20.095 --> 1:55:20.135 No? 1:55:20.575 --> 1:55:22.975 Okay, not if you're doing a little piece of cosmetic 1:55:23.055 --> 1:55:25.015 work like that. But if you're about to add a 1:55:25.055 --> 1:55:28.255 bedroom or add an on suite onto your bedroom, you 1:55:28.375 --> 1:55:30.255 probably want to have a chat with your insurance broker 1:55:30.455 --> 1:55:33.375 or your insurance company just to check, because sometimes your 1:55:33.415 --> 1:55:35.735 policy will cover it and sometimes it won't. 1:55:35.615 --> 1:55:38.735 Okay, So adding on definitely a trigger to say, got 1:55:38.775 --> 1:55:40.375 to get on the phone to the insurer. What about 1:55:40.375 --> 1:55:44.495 if I'm ripping out my existing bathroom and doing replacing it, 1:55:44.775 --> 1:55:46.015 you know, upgrading. 1:55:45.655 --> 1:55:48.695 It again, just pace a chat with your broker or 1:55:48.735 --> 1:55:51.975 an insurance company. It depends on that the value of 1:55:52.055 --> 1:55:54.895 the work, because some policies will have a limit around 1:55:55.015 --> 1:55:58.535 small contract works, yep. And in that case you properly 1:55:58.615 --> 1:56:01.495 will be asked to take out a policy. Okay, but 1:56:01.615 --> 1:56:04.775 if it's low value, maybe not. But every policy is 1:56:04.775 --> 1:56:06.255 a little bit different, and you don't want to get 1:56:06.375 --> 1:56:08.735 caught out for the sake of a two minute fun call. 1:56:09.415 --> 1:56:11.975 And I think the theme of all of this is 1:56:12.055 --> 1:56:14.175 going to be if you're unsure, and most of us 1:56:14.255 --> 1:56:17.335 are giving a broker or your insurer a call. So 1:56:17.495 --> 1:56:20.775 let's say that almost anything that's more than just cosmetic 1:56:20.975 --> 1:56:24.055 is going to require it. So once you've decided to 1:56:24.135 --> 1:56:25.815 add on, let's say you're adding a little bit onto 1:56:25.895 --> 1:56:28.335 the living room, changing the kitchen, maybe doing some work 1:56:28.375 --> 1:56:31.815 in the bathroom, you've got a general scope of works. 1:56:32.575 --> 1:56:35.095 What's the conversation with the insurer? What do you need 1:56:35.175 --> 1:56:36.055 to tell the insurer? 1:56:36.535 --> 1:56:38.735 So there's a couple of bits here, pete. So sometimes 1:56:38.775 --> 1:56:41.935 your contract, your contract will have their own policy in 1:56:42.015 --> 1:56:44.375 place that will cover the work that they're doing, and 1:56:44.455 --> 1:56:47.655 sometimes they won't. So when they don't, if you're arranging 1:56:47.695 --> 1:56:49.695 it and you can have this conversation with your builder, 1:56:50.055 --> 1:56:52.135 you'd contact your insurance company and you'd let them know 1:56:52.975 --> 1:56:55.535 what you're doing, how long it's going to take, how 1:56:55.615 --> 1:56:58.575 much you're spending, and then they will ask any additional 1:56:58.655 --> 1:57:01.095 questions that they have there and put something in place 1:57:01.335 --> 1:57:03.375 that will protect you if something happens. 1:57:04.015 --> 1:57:04.495 So, if the. 1:57:04.575 --> 1:57:08.535 Contractor has insurance for this type of work sort. 1:57:08.335 --> 1:57:10.895 Of what's that called contract works insurance? 1:57:11.095 --> 1:57:14.895 Okay? And just in terms of surety, if I'm the 1:57:14.935 --> 1:57:17.415 homeowner and I'm engaging the builder who's going to be 1:57:17.495 --> 1:57:20.215 the main contractor, and I say to them, hey, look, 1:57:20.295 --> 1:57:22.935 show me your the proof that you've got the insurance. 1:57:22.975 --> 1:57:24.135 What should that proof look like? 1:57:24.455 --> 1:57:26.175 They should have a certificate of insurance. 1:57:26.255 --> 1:57:26.495 Okay. 1:57:26.495 --> 1:57:28.775 It's quite a normal thing for an insurance broker to 1:57:28.855 --> 1:57:33.135 provide their customers at renewal time. And sometimes a builder 1:57:33.135 --> 1:57:35.935 will have an annual contract works policy, so that's a 1:57:35.975 --> 1:57:37.895 policy that will be in place for a full twelve 1:57:37.935 --> 1:57:40.375 month period and then it'll cover all the jobs they do. 1:57:40.655 --> 1:57:44.095 Yes, what about if let's say, you know renovations can 1:57:44.175 --> 1:57:48.175 run to half a million dollars, So would you then 1:57:48.375 --> 1:57:51.455 talk to your to the contractor and go, do you 1:57:51.535 --> 1:57:54.375 have specific contract works insurance for this job given the 1:57:54.415 --> 1:57:54.855 scale of it? 1:57:55.455 --> 1:57:58.495 Yeah, I think as a job gets bigger, you're probably 1:57:58.535 --> 1:58:00.095 going to want to make sure that you are a 1:58:00.215 --> 1:58:02.575 joint insured on a contract works policy. 1:58:02.775 --> 1:58:03.135 Okay. 1:58:03.455 --> 1:58:07.975 So if you've got an insurance company that offers contract 1:58:08.015 --> 1:58:10.775 works insurance company, great idea to take it out with them, 1:58:10.855 --> 1:58:13.255 because then you know you've got continuous insurance cover. You 1:58:13.375 --> 1:58:16.535 know there'll be no gaps. But if not, contact your 1:58:16.535 --> 1:58:18.655 broker and they'll be able to place the contract works 1:58:18.695 --> 1:58:19.895 with any commercial insurer. 1:58:20.455 --> 1:58:23.495 Okay. So if as the homeowner again, you're going to 1:58:23.575 --> 1:58:26.135 do the extension, You've talked to your contractor they might 1:58:26.295 --> 1:58:31.055 have contract works insurance. You would then extend your policy 1:58:31.095 --> 1:58:33.375 as well. Is an overlap a good thing, or you 1:58:33.455 --> 1:58:34.535 don't need the overlap, You. 1:58:34.535 --> 1:58:37.175 Don't want an overlap. An overlap will complicate things and 1:58:37.255 --> 1:58:39.335 make things harder in the event of a claim. So 1:58:39.375 --> 1:58:40.935 you want to make sure that you're clear as to 1:58:41.015 --> 1:58:44.015 who has the obligation to take out the contract works policy. 1:58:44.415 --> 1:58:46.255 So in this case, again just to be really clear, 1:58:46.415 --> 1:58:48.895 if I decide that I've got a really as a homeowner, 1:58:48.935 --> 1:58:51.855 I've got a really good relationship with my insurer, and 1:58:52.055 --> 1:58:54.375 we're going to do this work. I'm adding thirty square 1:58:54.415 --> 1:58:55.695 meters to the back of the house. It's going to 1:58:55.735 --> 1:58:58.095 cost three hundred grand. I ring up and I get 1:58:58.135 --> 1:59:01.295 the insurance. That's one option, or I don't, but I 1:59:01.495 --> 1:59:05.135 make sure that my contractor does yes, okay, And the 1:59:05.255 --> 1:59:08.255 proof is really easy to see because I do hear 1:59:08.375 --> 1:59:11.815 stories where people say I asked for some proof and 1:59:11.975 --> 1:59:13.895 they were you know, they said they'd get it to me, 1:59:13.975 --> 1:59:16.495 but I never saw it. And we do hear stories 1:59:16.535 --> 1:59:19.375 of builders who take out insurance but in fact they 1:59:19.455 --> 1:59:21.135 never did or claim to take it out. 1:59:21.255 --> 1:59:24.015 Yeah, and in these sort of small renovation jobs, you 1:59:24.095 --> 1:59:26.735 don't usually have a contract in place that would detail 1:59:27.055 --> 1:59:29.495 that sort of information as well, So it is quite 1:59:29.535 --> 1:59:34.215 easy for a contractor to show you. The insurance policy 1:59:34.495 --> 1:59:35.535 that they have in place. 1:59:35.375 --> 1:59:38.895 Should be really straightforward. So the contract works insurance. What 1:59:39.215 --> 1:59:40.695 types of things does that cover? 1:59:42.335 --> 1:59:45.775 So any loss related to the work that's underway. So 1:59:46.175 --> 1:59:50.375 our most common claims are around burglary, so items stolen 1:59:50.455 --> 1:59:53.415 from sight, lots of white ware, lots of appliances, and 1:59:53.495 --> 1:59:57.095 a lot of wiring. It'll cover you for storm damage. 1:59:57.135 --> 1:59:59.295 So if you've got your jib outside and the tarpole 1:59:59.335 --> 2:00:01.255 and blows off it and it gets damaged in a storm, 2:00:01.295 --> 2:00:04.255 that's covered by a contract works If your builder spills 2:00:04.295 --> 2:00:06.775 their coffee on your beautiful floor and you've got to 2:00:06.815 --> 2:00:09.655 revarnish it, your contract works policy will pick up that 2:00:09.815 --> 2:00:12.855 loss as well. And if there's a fire caused by 2:00:13.495 --> 2:00:16.255 a blowtorch that they're using, your contact work policy will 2:00:16.255 --> 2:00:17.455 pick that up all right. 2:00:17.895 --> 2:00:20.935 The other type of insurance that people often talk about 2:00:21.095 --> 2:00:25.535 in regards to the construction is public liability. So would 2:00:25.575 --> 2:00:28.215 a homeowner need to take out some sort of public 2:00:28.295 --> 2:00:31.655 liability contract or would you expect the contractors all to 2:00:31.735 --> 2:00:32.495 have their own PI. 2:00:34.175 --> 2:00:38.815 Under most house insurance policies, there is a liability element there, okay, 2:00:39.255 --> 2:00:43.295 But whether a contract works policy that's going to cover 2:00:43.375 --> 2:00:45.375 the work that's being done. And there's a separate policy 2:00:45.415 --> 2:00:48.935 called a public liability insurance, yes, which will cover damage 2:00:48.975 --> 2:00:52.375 done to other people's property. So if you have some 2:00:52.495 --> 2:00:55.095 scaffolding up and you knock the hammer off and it 2:00:55.215 --> 2:00:59.655 damages your neighbor's car, that's the policy that would respond, okay. 2:00:59.815 --> 2:01:04.695 And again it would be reasonable to ask your main contractors, 2:01:05.415 --> 2:01:08.815 either the or the plumber or the electrician, Hey, do 2:01:08.975 --> 2:01:11.335 you have these types of policies in place before you 2:01:11.415 --> 2:01:14.415 come work at my place? Absolutely all right, and hey, 2:01:14.455 --> 2:01:16.495 look a word to contractors. You should have this on 2:01:16.575 --> 2:01:20.255 your phone. Basically it's easy to share with people. So 2:01:20.375 --> 2:01:23.375 the overlap's not a good thing. The public liability is 2:01:24.415 --> 2:01:26.895 what happens at the end of a project. So let's 2:01:26.895 --> 2:01:29.335 say you've added twenty or thirty square meters to your 2:01:29.415 --> 2:01:32.415 house or maybe even more, or you've added a retaining wall, 2:01:32.615 --> 2:01:35.975 you've done some landscaping, maybe a pool. Do you talk 2:01:36.015 --> 2:01:36.855 to your insurer about that? 2:01:37.375 --> 2:01:37.535 Yes? 2:01:38.095 --> 2:01:40.775 So whatever change you're making, if you're increasing the value 2:01:40.855 --> 2:01:42.735 of your home or the size of your home, is 2:01:43.135 --> 2:01:44.895 the only way you're insure is going to find out 2:01:44.895 --> 2:01:47.175 about that is if you let them know. Sure, so 2:01:47.655 --> 2:01:49.535 you want to make sure that that pool is covered, 2:01:49.655 --> 2:01:52.055 or that the insurance company now knows that your house 2:01:52.175 --> 2:01:55.495 is a two story not a one story and there 2:01:55.575 --> 2:01:57.855 some insured, or the cost to reinstate is going to 2:01:57.895 --> 2:01:59.255 be a little bit different now that you've done all 2:01:59.295 --> 2:01:59.775 of this work. 2:01:59.895 --> 2:02:05.335 Sure, And then I guess at the end of a 2:02:05.415 --> 2:02:08.015 project of ring your insurer again and go, hey, the 2:02:08.055 --> 2:02:12.815 work's finished. Or when people take out a contract works insurance, 2:02:12.895 --> 2:02:14.855 is it typically for a set period of time. 2:02:15.575 --> 2:02:19.575 Yes, So usually what happens is then you might be 2:02:19.655 --> 2:02:22.575 familiar with this, peeple. A job will run over every 2:02:22.655 --> 2:02:25.735 now and then. Sure, So what you want to do 2:02:25.895 --> 2:02:27.215 is you want to make sure that you know when 2:02:27.255 --> 2:02:29.335 the policy is going to expire, and if it looks 2:02:29.375 --> 2:02:31.015 like it's going to run over, make sure that you 2:02:31.135 --> 2:02:34.335 get an extension, okay, and then when it's done, If 2:02:34.335 --> 2:02:36.455 it's done by that date, the only thing you need 2:02:36.495 --> 2:02:38.495 to do is contact your insurer and just to update 2:02:38.575 --> 2:02:40.775 them with the increase some insured and let them know 2:02:40.855 --> 2:02:44.015 the new floor area or the new you know, the 2:02:44.055 --> 2:02:45.495 pool or whatever it is that you've added. 2:02:45.655 --> 2:02:47.655 Yeah, just to make sure that you're covered for those 2:02:47.735 --> 2:02:48.415 things in the future. 2:02:48.455 --> 2:02:49.615 Absolutely about it. 2:02:49.735 --> 2:02:53.335 Yeah again, I guess the takeaway for me seems to be, 2:02:53.855 --> 2:02:56.735 you know, get on the phone or go through email 2:02:56.975 --> 2:02:59.455 the details and go, hey, look, just want to check 2:02:59.495 --> 2:03:00.735 my cover on these sorts of things. 2:03:01.215 --> 2:03:03.735 Yeah, your house and house insurance policy will have the 2:03:03.775 --> 2:03:07.215 details in it, right. Call your insurance company. They'll be 2:03:07.215 --> 2:03:09.375 able to answer the question really quickly. Call you're broker. 2:03:09.415 --> 2:03:11.655 They'll be used to these types of queries. 2:03:11.815 --> 2:03:14.455 Yeah, but make sure you cover it. I'm just I'm 2:03:14.495 --> 2:03:17.455 amazed that the most common claim is for burglary, which 2:03:17.535 --> 2:03:20.295 is a such a disappointing thing to hear. I shouldn't 2:03:20.335 --> 2:03:23.415 be surprised, but yeah, so it's not the tart bleu 2:03:23.535 --> 2:03:25.655 off and my house is ruined. It's someone's come and 2:03:25.735 --> 2:03:26.575 tried to pinch my stuff. 2:03:26.575 --> 2:03:28.535 It's not I got caught up in a tornado. It 2:03:28.695 --> 2:03:29.455 is it is theft. 2:03:29.495 --> 2:03:30.975 It is burglary from sites. 2:03:31.135 --> 2:03:31.335 Yeah. 2:03:31.575 --> 2:03:34.175 Wow, that raises a whole other issue. Hey, Meg, thank 2:03:34.215 --> 2:03:37.295 you very very much for this. It's really good, sensible, 2:03:37.375 --> 2:03:40.415 straightforward information that hopefully will clarify what to some of 2:03:40.535 --> 2:03:43.095 us is a little bit of murky territory. So really 2:03:43.135 --> 2:03:43.895 appreciate your time. 2:03:44.295 --> 2:03:44.575 Thank you. 2:03:44.655 --> 2:03:45.615 Pete's great to be here. 2:03:45.695 --> 2:03:48.415 Seeya, se Ya used dog zid be. 2:03:49.655 --> 2:03:52.255 So there was Meg Warner from Inzidi as it happens, 2:03:52.655 --> 2:03:56.455 who's a claim specialist, and just an opportunity to try 2:03:56.575 --> 2:03:58.655 and shine a bit of a light on It's not 2:03:58.735 --> 2:04:01.495 that it's murky. I just think that there's to be 2:04:01.575 --> 2:04:04.815 blunt often so much misinformation or lack of information around 2:04:05.335 --> 2:04:07.895 who gets the insurance. It's what type of insurance you need, 2:04:08.095 --> 2:04:10.095 what you need to do with your insurance company. We've 2:04:10.095 --> 2:04:11.495 got a bunch of texts. 2:04:13.295 --> 2:04:13.535 On that. 2:04:13.975 --> 2:04:17.535 So I think that's been really, really useful, and I 2:04:17.615 --> 2:04:19.095 think we'll see if we can get back and maybe 2:04:19.135 --> 2:04:21.615 answer a few of your question sometime in the next 2:04:21.935 --> 2:04:24.535 couple of months or so. I eight hundred eighty ten 2:04:24.655 --> 2:04:26.455 eighty is the number to call. We got time for 2:04:26.495 --> 2:04:29.735 a quick couple of building questions. Then we're into the 2:04:29.775 --> 2:04:32.015 garden with a red claim pass from eight point thirty 2:04:32.095 --> 2:04:35.775 this morning. So I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 2:04:35.895 --> 2:04:38.535 that number to call. Someone's just text through? What about 2:04:38.575 --> 2:04:41.295 replacing the roof? Do I need specific insurance for this? 2:04:41.735 --> 2:04:44.055 I think that's probably a good example of the sort 2:04:44.095 --> 2:04:46.175 of work that if you're going to go and do it, 2:04:46.775 --> 2:04:50.255 you need to ideally contact your insurer. Go this is 2:04:50.295 --> 2:04:52.495 what I'm going to do. If I need to make 2:04:52.535 --> 2:04:55.255 a claim. I there's a delay and we have to 2:04:55.375 --> 2:04:57.415 tarp it and the wind blows and the tart blows 2:04:57.455 --> 2:05:00.255 off and the rain comes and at my ceiling collapses, 2:05:01.615 --> 2:05:04.775 then you know, is that covered under my existing policy? 2:05:04.895 --> 2:05:07.695 Can you extend my existing policy to include that, or 2:05:08.015 --> 2:05:10.095 do I need to take out a specific policy for 2:05:10.215 --> 2:05:13.095 a short period of time to allow for that. I 2:05:13.175 --> 2:05:15.495 think it always seems to be talked to your insurer. 2:05:15.655 --> 2:05:18.735 Is the right answer? Oh eight hundred eighty is the 2:05:18.855 --> 2:05:22.255 number to call. Hell go good morning, Hi, How are 2:05:22.295 --> 2:05:23.815 you very well in yourself? 2:05:24.735 --> 2:05:24.855 Oh? 2:05:25.015 --> 2:05:25.215 Good? 2:05:26.535 --> 2:05:29.455 I'm ringing again about the place I've been in one 2:05:29.575 --> 2:05:33.695 year and it's been built three yearsners. I've noticed by 2:05:33.815 --> 2:05:37.575 the metro where on the latest echo system because it's 2:05:37.615 --> 2:05:39.775 a new build, but because you know you're going to 2:05:39.775 --> 2:05:42.655 build seven hundred houses at the race course. So we're 2:05:42.775 --> 2:05:46.615 on the news thing and there's big cracks in the concrete. 2:05:46.695 --> 2:05:50.855 I'm standing by the big Metro manholes are crack forming 2:05:50.895 --> 2:05:55.055 along the concrete and also a lot of the electricity 2:05:55.255 --> 2:05:58.695 man holds has footge sticks downhouses here and won by 2:05:58.815 --> 2:06:03.895 the core of bag long cracks on the on the 2:06:04.055 --> 2:06:04.815 path by it. 2:06:06.575 --> 2:06:11.215 Don't get a problem, no, look, I think the hard 2:06:11.255 --> 2:06:15.655 thing is that you know, I mean, all concrete wants 2:06:15.695 --> 2:06:17.895 to crack, right, So the way to manage it is 2:06:17.975 --> 2:06:21.175 one to do the right preparation, to have the right thickness, 2:06:21.255 --> 2:06:23.895 the right compaction, the right type of reinforcing in it, 2:06:24.615 --> 2:06:28.895 and then to provide expansion cuts in the concrete just 2:06:28.975 --> 2:06:31.375 after it's been laid to ensure that if it does 2:06:31.495 --> 2:06:33.055 want to move and crack, it does so in a 2:06:33.135 --> 2:06:37.095 controlled manner. That's the short answer to it. So every 2:06:37.135 --> 2:06:39.575 now and then, if you see cracking, it's one of 2:06:39.615 --> 2:06:41.975 those things that's unfortunate, but it happens. It might not 2:06:42.095 --> 2:06:45.215 be structural, it might be you know, essentially purely cosmetic. 2:06:45.975 --> 2:06:49.255 But if it's cracking and then it's displacement so it 2:06:49.335 --> 2:06:50.935 becomes a trip hazard, then. 2:06:50.895 --> 2:06:51.655 You probably. 2:06:52.975 --> 2:06:55.775 Even now, yeah, no, I think if. 2:06:55.775 --> 2:07:00.415 It comes, if its a health and safety issue in essence, 2:07:00.975 --> 2:07:02.975 then you'd probably want to go back to the original 2:07:03.055 --> 2:07:06.655 contractors to ensure that they've done the work correctly. So 2:07:07.135 --> 2:07:08.615 that would be the approach i'd take. 2:07:09.655 --> 2:07:10.655 Okay, appreciate that. 2:07:10.815 --> 2:07:11.655 Thank you, very nice to. 2:07:11.655 --> 2:07:15.255 Talk to you. Thank you all best actually just talking 2:07:15.255 --> 2:07:17.175 about work and workers and all the rest of it. 2:07:17.255 --> 2:07:20.255 And then I was struck by this actually a couple 2:07:20.295 --> 2:07:23.215 of times in the last week or so. A few 2:07:23.495 --> 2:07:26.015 weeks ago, I got called to a property where someone said, oh, look, 2:07:26.295 --> 2:07:30.295 I've heard this funny sound of water rushing. I don't 2:07:30.295 --> 2:07:31.975 know what it is, so I said, I'll come up 2:07:31.975 --> 2:07:34.975 and have a look. When I arrived there, it wasn't 2:07:35.055 --> 2:07:37.335 water on the property. It was that In fact, there 2:07:37.375 --> 2:07:42.215 had been a fairly significant leak from the main to 2:07:42.375 --> 2:07:46.615 the toby to the boundary and there was water just 2:07:46.735 --> 2:07:49.495 bubbling out of the garden, pouring down the footpath and 2:07:49.575 --> 2:07:51.695 into the drain it. It was a decent old link, 2:07:51.815 --> 2:07:54.295 so leak rather so on the phone to water Care 2:07:54.415 --> 2:07:57.975 because I'm in Auckland, reported it. They sent a crew 2:07:58.055 --> 2:08:02.135 out very promptly, had it fax, had the water restored 2:08:02.335 --> 2:08:04.935 within the day. So I kind of go And then 2:08:05.335 --> 2:08:08.375 actually the other night, driving home back to my place, 2:08:10.095 --> 2:08:13.455 looking forward to a shower, to be fair, drove past 2:08:13.735 --> 2:08:15.815 a bunch of guys working just up the street from 2:08:15.855 --> 2:08:18.055 me digging a great big hole looking for a water 2:08:18.175 --> 2:08:20.895 leak in I think the water main in our street's 2:08:20.895 --> 2:08:25.055 about one hundred and ten years old, and so we 2:08:25.215 --> 2:08:27.855 had to be a little bit patient and wait until 2:08:27.895 --> 2:08:30.095 about no thing was about seven o'clock at night before 2:08:30.135 --> 2:08:32.055 the water came back on. But it did come back on, 2:08:32.175 --> 2:08:34.175 and I was looking at those guys working up there, thinking, 2:08:34.575 --> 2:08:36.895 you know, they're not going to get home till quite late. 2:08:37.015 --> 2:08:40.375 And then with the stormy weather that we've had around well, 2:08:40.615 --> 2:08:43.495 specifically in Auckland, but I know Northland, Corimandel, and so 2:08:43.575 --> 2:08:48.135 on and near us again transformer blew up. Power was 2:08:48.175 --> 2:08:51.655 off for a while, you know, But there's crews out 2:08:51.695 --> 2:08:56.935 there doing the work in miserable conditions, often on public holidays, 2:08:56.935 --> 2:08:58.975 and I thought, you know, I don't know that they 2:08:59.055 --> 2:09:00.895 get a lot of criticism, but I don't know that 2:09:00.975 --> 2:09:03.335 they often get the sort of pad on the back 2:09:03.415 --> 2:09:07.815 and the congratulations and the appreciation that they deserve, because 2:09:08.375 --> 2:09:11.895 it's pretty miserable a day on Friday and parts of Saturday, 2:09:12.055 --> 2:09:14.055 and there's lots of people out there working, and I 2:09:14.255 --> 2:09:16.575 just sort of think, look good on you. We do 2:09:16.695 --> 2:09:19.175 appreciate or I do appreciate the work that you do, 2:09:19.535 --> 2:09:21.775 and certainly, you know, you've got to be a bit 2:09:21.895 --> 2:09:24.295 patient in these situations. But at least someone's out there 2:09:24.375 --> 2:09:26.655 fixing it. So good on you. I wait one hundred 2:09:26.775 --> 2:09:30.215 eighty ten eighty for your gardening questions. We're going to 2:09:30.335 --> 2:09:32.935 change gear. We're going to head into the garden. I 2:09:33.055 --> 2:09:35.735 can ask Rid about the tomato seeds that he sent me, 2:09:35.775 --> 2:09:39.135 which is kind of cool. I should probably ask him 2:09:39.135 --> 2:09:41.815 when I should get those into the ground and what 2:09:41.935 --> 2:09:44.735 I'm going to end up with. I'm pretty sure that 2:09:44.775 --> 2:09:47.095 if he sent me tomato seeds I'll end up with tomatoes, 2:09:47.135 --> 2:09:48.815 but hey, we'll find out a bit more about that 2:09:49.215 --> 2:09:51.375 we're through it. If you've got a gardening question, I'll 2:09:51.415 --> 2:09:53.455 tell you what the one upside to all of the 2:09:53.535 --> 2:09:58.015 recent heavy rain, and that the garden, the lawn, which 2:09:58.055 --> 2:10:01.175 has been at my place anyway just absolutely miserable for 2:10:01.335 --> 2:10:04.175 most of the summer, has burst back into life. So 2:10:04.655 --> 2:10:06.455 that's on my list for this week as well well. 2:10:07.095 --> 2:10:10.775 Radio gardening questions galore. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 2:10:11.055 --> 2:10:13.135 eighty is the number to call back. 2:10:13.135 --> 2:10:16.175 In a moment, News Talk said extra, there are some 2:10:16.295 --> 2:10:18.655 strange calculations that the White House has done when it 2:10:18.735 --> 2:10:20.775 came to calculating who was going to get hit with 2:10:20.815 --> 2:10:21.335 these tariffs? 2:10:21.615 --> 2:10:25.215 They what have they done? Strangely Well, it was quite bisire. 2:10:25.335 --> 2:10:28.175 The essentially said, any country that has a trade deficit 2:10:28.735 --> 2:10:32.055 that can be resolved with terriffs. Now that's not really 2:10:32.095 --> 2:10:35.215 how tariffs were. Usually what you have is somebody will 2:10:35.255 --> 2:10:38.215 impose a tax on a particular type of product from 2:10:38.255 --> 2:10:41.455 a particular type of country. But the Americans, or their 2:10:41.495 --> 2:10:43.735 White House in this instance, has taken the view that 2:10:44.135 --> 2:10:46.855 if you have a trade deficit, it must be because 2:10:46.895 --> 2:10:49.375 you have tariffs. Now New Zealand does not impose tariffs 2:10:49.415 --> 2:10:50.255 on American products. 2:10:50.775 --> 2:10:53.135 And also it seems like he's used he's used trade 2:10:53.175 --> 2:10:54.455 deficits in some examples. 2:10:54.455 --> 2:10:55.855 And no, I think I saw something in the gas, 2:10:55.975 --> 2:10:58.255 all of it. It's all of it, and it's all 2:10:58.295 --> 2:10:58.455 of it. 2:10:58.615 --> 2:11:00.975 So instead of looking at a tariffs, he's just looked at, 2:11:01.095 --> 2:11:04.935 for instance, I think China the goods trade deficit. He's 2:11:04.975 --> 2:11:07.735 simply he's taken a half of what it is and 2:11:07.855 --> 2:11:11.095 come up down from sixty seven percent to thirty four percent. 2:11:11.415 --> 2:11:13.495 That was a news Talk ZEDB extra. 2:11:14.935 --> 2:11:17.855 For more from the Resident Builder with Peter Wolfcamp, listen 2:11:17.975 --> 2:11:21.135 live to Newstalk ZEDB on Sunday mornings from six, or 2:11:21.215 --> 2:11:23.095 follow the podcast on iHeartRadio