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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talks at Bay.

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Speaker 2: The house is a hole even when it starks, even

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Speaker 2: when the grass is overgrown in.

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Speaker 3: The yard, even when.

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Speaker 4: The dog is too old to bar, and when you're

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Speaker 4: sitting at the table trying not to stop.

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Speaker 3: Scissor hole, even when we are band gone, even when

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Speaker 3: you're there alone, the house sizor hole, even when those

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Speaker 3: ghost even when.

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Speaker 4: You got around from the world you love.

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Speaker 2: Your most stream, those broken plaints, feeling fund the world,

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Speaker 2: locals visible when they're gone and leaving neighbor.

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Speaker 5: The house is.

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Speaker 2: Even when wilber Ben lone, even when you're newlone is well.

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Speaker 6: A very very good morning and a very happy Easter

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Speaker 6: Sunday to you as well. Yesterday is Easter Sunday. It

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Speaker 6: makes it a regular Sunday, It makes it a very

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Speaker 6: special Sunday as well. So delighted to be with you

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Speaker 6: this Sunday morning here at Newstalk seid B. Good morning.

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Speaker 6: My name's Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this

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Speaker 6: is the Resident Builder on Sunday. A show an opportunity,

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Speaker 6: a program to that presents us with an opportunity to

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Speaker 6: talk all things building and construction. So if you've got

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Speaker 6: a project that's underway, and well, I was going to

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Speaker 6: say over the Easter break, so you know, if you're

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Speaker 6: in paid employment and you get holiday pay. I say

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Speaker 6: that because I'm not in that position. But if you are,

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Speaker 6: and you've managed to take the right days off, suddenly

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Speaker 6: you've been able to stretch out a couple of days

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Speaker 6: leave into a significant number of days leave. Given that

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Speaker 6: this coming Friday is of course Anzac Day, Easter Monday

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Speaker 6: is also a public holiday, and with that in mind,

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Speaker 6: you may have decided, rather than heading for the hills,

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Speaker 6: to actually get a project done at home. And if

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Speaker 6: that's the case, and you'd like to talk about it,

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Speaker 6: whether you're you know, you could be wallpapering, you could

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Speaker 6: be painting, you could be trying to finish a project

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Speaker 6: outside in preparation for the weather. Well, if you didn't

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Speaker 6: quite get that finished, then certainly the weather got a

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Speaker 6: got a bit of testing out. I say that because

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Speaker 6: that was exactly the situation that I happened to be

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Speaker 6: in this week where I made the confession. If we're

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Speaker 6: talking biblical, I made the confession last week that after

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Speaker 6: the show on Sunday, I was going to go home,

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Speaker 6: spend a bit of time chanting and catching up with

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Speaker 6: the family, and then I was going to fire up

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Speaker 6: the sand and I didn't feel great about that. I'm

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Speaker 6: not actually a huge fan of making too much noise

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Speaker 6: on a Sunday, but in this particular instance, I had

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Speaker 6: a program and I needed to do the sanding of

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Speaker 6: the filler on Sunday in order to do some spot priming,

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Speaker 6: in order to do another code of priming on the Monday,

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Speaker 6: in order to get a first coat of paint done

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Speaker 6: on Monday afternoon, in order to get a top coat

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Speaker 6: done on Tuesday, because I knew the weather was packing

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Speaker 6: on Wednesday, and surprisingly the weather was wonderfully compliant. I

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Speaker 6: also had another little job, which was a war proofing

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Speaker 6: job that I need to get done as well, but

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Speaker 6: it's a separate story. So anyway, went home Sunday did

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Speaker 6: the sanding, deeply relieved. But the fact that both of

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Speaker 6: orbital sander to stand about six hundred and seventy screw

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Speaker 6: holes down on the decking anyway, got that done, got

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Speaker 6: and the rain and the thunderstorms and the lightning, not

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Speaker 6: that it got hit by lightning arrived over the last

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Speaker 6: couple of days. So if you've got a project and

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Speaker 6: it's going well, we can talk about it. If you've

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Speaker 6: So if you've got a project that you would like

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Speaker 6: with regard to building, let's talk all things building, construction,

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Speaker 6: the rules, the regulations, the people involved. And i'll tell

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Speaker 6: and I'll try and sort of put this in context.

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Speaker 6: It might have been two three months ago. We had

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Speaker 6: It was an extension alteration to an existing property. So

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Speaker 6: there's going to be walls removed, there's going to be

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Speaker 6: it got us into an interesting discussion around insurance and

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Speaker 6: renovations and alterations, and when do you need to talk

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Speaker 6: to your insurer. And it's taken me a little while,

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Speaker 6: we're going to have that conversation just after eight o'clock

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Speaker 6: this morning. So it's very specific. It's very specifically about

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Speaker 6: about who needs to get insurance about overlaps and insurance

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Speaker 6: that sort of thing very much in a building context,

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Speaker 6: but it should only be seen as general advice. All

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Speaker 6: so hopefully it'll bring you some good ideas. Certainly, I've

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Speaker 6: enjoyed the conversations I've had so far, and we'll be

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Speaker 6: talking a little bit about insurance after the eighty clock news.

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Speaker 6: It as always, is fired up and ready to go

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Speaker 6: from eight point thirty this morning, and this morning, because

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Speaker 6: it is Easter, there will be no commercial breaks, so

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Speaker 6: we've got plenty of time to sort of stretch our legs,

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Speaker 6: really get into the nitty gritty of your conversations, your questions,

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Speaker 6: your challenges, your conundrums. So bring it on. Oh, eight

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Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Like

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Speaker 6: I say, it is East Sunday. It's commercial free for

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Speaker 6: New Zealand broadcasters, whether that's TV or radio, and so

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Speaker 6: we've got lots of time to take your calls this morning.

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Speaker 6: You can text, of course, that is nine two nine

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Speaker 6: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We won't be dashing

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Speaker 6: works on Easter Sunday. I say Good Friday because I

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Speaker 6: be invited to come in and do Good Friday Morning

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Speaker 6: of regular transmission has resumed. We're back into talking building

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Speaker 6: construction tools now. We had actually just a bit of

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Speaker 6: spoke with a woman who had some of her late

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Speaker 6: I had a look online to see exactly what the

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Speaker 6: proper name for this tool is and the brand. So

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Speaker 6: it's a Carter's rebate plane, number seventy eight. And then

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Speaker 6: I found a website that had not just Carter seventy

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Speaker 6: but a whole number of other ones. And I thought, oh,

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Speaker 6: that's a very beautiful French chair maker's plane with a

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Speaker 6: That doesn't mean that I'm in the hunt for lots

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Speaker 6: Tempted as I am. I need to show some restraint

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Speaker 6: half minutes after six people wolf camp with you. Lines

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Speaker 1: Advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on news Talks mb.

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Speaker 6: Writy ode. Let's get into it. Eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 6: eighty is that number to call. Plenty to talk about

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Speaker 6: one of the other things that's coming up in a

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Speaker 6: on the show a couple of weeks ago just talking

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Speaker 6: possibility that we will be able to build up to

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Speaker 6: the other thing around sort of tightening up some rules

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Speaker 6: for how would you put it, basically disciplining bad performers

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Speaker 6: in the building sector. So if you're an LBP and

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Speaker 6: speed up or enhance the disciplinary process at the moment. Typically,

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Speaker 6: against an LBP, then they go through the investigation process,

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Speaker 6: the interview process, and then they announce a decision after that.

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Speaker 6: But it does take a little bit of time. And

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Speaker 6: while it's not a criticism of the board, there is

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Speaker 6: that notion that justice delayed is justice denied. So if

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Speaker 6: you happen to be in a dispute with your LBP

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Speaker 6: getting things done quickly. And in that twelve months, that

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Speaker 6: and it has to be to the building code, but

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Speaker 6: they don't have a building consent for it, how can

431
00:25:08,615 --> 00:25:14,575
Speaker 6: they prove that it's building code compliant? And so organizations

432
00:25:14,655 --> 00:25:16,775
Speaker 6: like the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys and a

433
00:25:16,895 --> 00:25:20,295
Speaker 6: number of others are saying, look, from our point of view,

434
00:25:20,295 --> 00:25:22,695
Speaker 6: because we work in the space all of the time,

435
00:25:23,095 --> 00:25:26,935
Speaker 6: we're not convinced they probably use stronger language than that.

436
00:25:26,975 --> 00:25:34,055
Speaker 6: We're not convinced that LBPS, certainly di wires could build

437
00:25:34,095 --> 00:25:38,255
Speaker 6: a building and make it code compliant without having a

438
00:25:38,295 --> 00:25:42,215
Speaker 6: set of plans and without having some oversight, So that

439
00:25:42,415 --> 00:25:45,175
Speaker 6: that unpacks a whole other set of problems.

440
00:25:45,255 --> 00:25:45,455
Speaker 4: Right.

441
00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:49,655
Speaker 6: How you know, if I was asked to build a

442
00:25:49,695 --> 00:25:52,975
Speaker 6: fifty square meter building with a shower and a kitchen

443
00:25:53,255 --> 00:25:57,735
Speaker 6: and some bedrooms. Could I build that without having a plan? Possibly?

444
00:25:58,255 --> 00:26:00,375
Speaker 6: And could I make it to the building code? Is

445
00:26:00,455 --> 00:26:03,415
Speaker 6: my you know, and it's a challenge to me. Could

446
00:26:03,455 --> 00:26:07,175
Speaker 6: I build it and make sure that it's absolutely compliant

447
00:26:07,215 --> 00:26:11,095
Speaker 6: to the building Code? I'd say I'd be pretty damn close.

448
00:26:11,135 --> 00:26:14,055
Speaker 6: But I might miss something right, There might be some

449
00:26:14,175 --> 00:26:16,735
Speaker 6: small change to the building code that I hadn't read

450
00:26:16,775 --> 00:26:21,015
Speaker 6: about or wasn't informed about. And so I could, with

451
00:26:21,055 --> 00:26:23,095
Speaker 6: the best will in the world and the best well,

452
00:26:23,175 --> 00:26:26,215
Speaker 6: hopefully a reasonable amount of knowledge, I could build a building.

453
00:26:27,175 --> 00:26:29,335
Speaker 6: But do I know that it's code compliant? And how

454
00:26:29,375 --> 00:26:31,415
Speaker 6: do I know? And what assurance can I offer to

455
00:26:31,455 --> 00:26:34,055
Speaker 6: a client that this building meets the requirements of the

456
00:26:34,095 --> 00:26:38,975
Speaker 6: New Zealand Building Code. So that's another problem. My short

457
00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:43,015
Speaker 6: answer to all of this is and I wonder whether

458
00:26:43,095 --> 00:26:45,775
Speaker 6: this is something that the government might need to look at, right,

459
00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,015
Speaker 6: And I'm certainly happy to put it to Chris penk

460
00:26:48,975 --> 00:26:53,215
Speaker 6: Is the types of buildings that they're discussing at the moment,

461
00:26:53,575 --> 00:26:56,535
Speaker 6: that you could build up to sixty square meters, which

462
00:26:56,575 --> 00:27:01,015
Speaker 6: is not an insignificant building right without necessarily getting a

463
00:27:01,015 --> 00:27:03,215
Speaker 6: building consent and without going well, you have to go

464
00:27:03,215 --> 00:27:06,095
Speaker 6: to council to inform council, but council won't be the

465
00:27:06,095 --> 00:27:11,655
Speaker 6: people checking the compliance. I wonder whether that those types

466
00:27:11,655 --> 00:27:15,735
Speaker 6: of buildings, the short pathway would be to say, registered

467
00:27:15,815 --> 00:27:20,575
Speaker 6: and approved manufacturers off site manufacturing, they can do them

468
00:27:21,055 --> 00:27:25,055
Speaker 6: and that's your quick pathway to compliance because typically those

469
00:27:25,135 --> 00:27:31,455
Speaker 6: sorts of organizations have quality control, they've got standardized designs,

470
00:27:31,535 --> 00:27:35,255
Speaker 6: they've got sort of a methodology for building, which allows

471
00:27:35,295 --> 00:27:38,735
Speaker 6: them to replicate what they're doing over and over again.

472
00:27:38,815 --> 00:27:40,295
Speaker 6: You know, if you go to some of these factories

473
00:27:40,335 --> 00:27:42,655
Speaker 6: and there's a unit moving out the door every day,

474
00:27:43,135 --> 00:27:46,495
Speaker 6: chances are they know what they're doing. Right. The thought

475
00:27:46,495 --> 00:27:49,775
Speaker 6: of somebody backing down your driveway with a trailer load

476
00:27:49,815 --> 00:27:52,935
Speaker 6: of four two on the you know, a trailer loaded

477
00:27:53,015 --> 00:27:57,415
Speaker 6: up with four two and they start cutting frames maybe

478
00:27:57,415 --> 00:27:59,975
Speaker 6: a little bit less so so that I'm wondering whether

479
00:28:00,095 --> 00:28:02,855
Speaker 6: if they were looking for a short and sweet answer,

480
00:28:03,135 --> 00:28:06,615
Speaker 6: that'd be the way to go. That existing or new

481
00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:11,415
Speaker 6: manufacturers who can prove their methodology, who can prove that

482
00:28:11,455 --> 00:28:15,215
Speaker 6: they've got a pathway to compliance, who could be audited right,

483
00:28:16,055 --> 00:28:19,575
Speaker 6: and who are replicating things, maybe they're the ones that

484
00:28:19,655 --> 00:28:24,295
Speaker 6: you go you can supply them because I've been in

485
00:28:24,335 --> 00:28:28,335
Speaker 6: those factories, right, and I've seen the level of detail

486
00:28:28,415 --> 00:28:31,095
Speaker 6: and the planning and the methodology and all the rest

487
00:28:31,095 --> 00:28:33,695
Speaker 6: of it. You know, if you're pumping out literally hundreds

488
00:28:33,775 --> 00:28:38,095
Speaker 6: of small dwellings a year, then you've got your processes

489
00:28:38,135 --> 00:28:41,255
Speaker 6: in place. If again, I'll use myself as an example,

490
00:28:41,295 --> 00:28:43,655
Speaker 6: if someone rang and said, or if I decided I

491
00:28:43,695 --> 00:28:46,815
Speaker 6: wanted to do in a backyard, right, I'm going to

492
00:28:46,815 --> 00:28:48,895
Speaker 6: build a sixty square meter dwelling and I'm going to

493
00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:52,575
Speaker 6: do it. Would I do it without a set of plans?

494
00:28:52,695 --> 00:28:54,775
Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't. I think I'd probably end up going

495
00:28:54,855 --> 00:28:57,695
Speaker 6: to a designer and getting a plan, because then it

496
00:28:57,815 --> 00:29:01,455
Speaker 6: helps with pricing and with getting quotes and that sort

497
00:29:01,495 --> 00:29:03,055
Speaker 6: of thing. It's really hard to go to a window

498
00:29:03,095 --> 00:29:06,055
Speaker 6: manufacturer and say, here's my window schedule. If you don't

499
00:29:06,095 --> 00:29:07,935
Speaker 6: have a set of plans, you can do it. You

500
00:29:07,975 --> 00:29:09,615
Speaker 6: can build it and then get them to come out

501
00:29:09,655 --> 00:29:12,135
Speaker 6: and measure it and so on. But there's an efficiency

502
00:29:12,175 --> 00:29:14,655
Speaker 6: to having a set of plans. But you can see

503
00:29:14,655 --> 00:29:17,735
Speaker 6: how you know, and again, I guess, all this is

504
00:29:17,775 --> 00:29:18,895
Speaker 6: the thing, you know, And this is where I have

505
00:29:18,935 --> 00:29:21,415
Speaker 6: some sympathy government. They're all in a position where they're

506
00:29:21,415 --> 00:29:27,495
Speaker 6: looking for quick, simple fixes. There aren't any, right, They're

507
00:29:27,575 --> 00:29:31,975
Speaker 6: just really not there. These things get really complicated really quickly.

508
00:29:34,215 --> 00:29:39,335
Speaker 6: So but sorry to lecture you on these sorts of things.

509
00:29:39,415 --> 00:29:42,335
Speaker 6: It's something I'm really interested, and you know, I love

510
00:29:42,375 --> 00:29:45,175
Speaker 6: having these conversations with people about it, and I actually

511
00:29:45,215 --> 00:29:48,735
Speaker 6: think the idea of loosening up regulation to allow granny

512
00:29:48,735 --> 00:29:54,575
Speaker 6: flats has the potential to be I don't know if

513
00:29:54,575 --> 00:29:58,455
Speaker 6: it'll move the dial a lot, but it's I'm an

514
00:29:58,455 --> 00:30:00,295
Speaker 6: optimist and I get a sense that it's a step

515
00:30:00,335 --> 00:30:03,455
Speaker 6: in the right direction. And I tell you what. Another

516
00:30:03,495 --> 00:30:05,975
Speaker 6: conversation I had this week was with some people involved

517
00:30:05,975 --> 00:30:10,895
Speaker 6: in proper management and rentals. The whole thing around will

518
00:30:10,935 --> 00:30:13,135
Speaker 6: you be able to rent one out to someone who's

519
00:30:13,175 --> 00:30:15,895
Speaker 6: not a family member. That hasn't even been discussed, because

520
00:30:15,935 --> 00:30:19,015
Speaker 6: again we have to understand what the history is behind

521
00:30:19,055 --> 00:30:22,935
Speaker 6: granny flats and so literally it does what it says

522
00:30:23,015 --> 00:30:26,015
Speaker 6: on the tin right. The idea behind them, as I

523
00:30:26,095 --> 00:30:28,335
Speaker 6: understand it, is that you had a plot of land,

524
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:31,375
Speaker 6: you had the family home. Over time, perhaps you know

525
00:30:31,415 --> 00:30:34,415
Speaker 6: the people that built the home decided that well, actually

526
00:30:34,415 --> 00:30:36,455
Speaker 6: we don't need all the space the kids have moved out,

527
00:30:36,455 --> 00:30:38,175
Speaker 6: and in fact maybe the kids would like to come

528
00:30:38,215 --> 00:30:41,255
Speaker 6: back in with their young family. We'd like to stay close.

529
00:30:41,415 --> 00:30:44,775
Speaker 6: How about we move into a little dwelling in the backyard. Right,

530
00:30:44,815 --> 00:30:48,055
Speaker 6: that's as I understand it, that's the theory behind it.

531
00:30:49,015 --> 00:30:53,055
Speaker 6: In which case it's family, right, it's not rent. Now

532
00:30:53,095 --> 00:30:55,575
Speaker 6: as soon as it becomes someone who's not family and

533
00:30:55,655 --> 00:30:59,255
Speaker 6: they're occupying it and potentially they're paying the owner of

534
00:30:59,295 --> 00:31:02,895
Speaker 6: the original property some money and rent, then the building

535
00:31:02,975 --> 00:31:07,455
Speaker 6: needs to comply with Healthy home standards for a start. Absolutely,

536
00:31:07,655 --> 00:31:10,495
Speaker 6: buildings that are built to the Building Code don't necessarily

537
00:31:10,655 --> 00:31:14,535
Speaker 6: comply with the Healthy Home standard. I want the hell

538
00:31:15,215 --> 00:31:19,335
Speaker 6: exactly well. And without going into this a lot, the

539
00:31:19,375 --> 00:31:23,095
Speaker 6: simple thing about that is in the New Zealand Building

540
00:31:23,135 --> 00:31:25,895
Speaker 6: Code right now you can build a brand new house

541
00:31:25,935 --> 00:31:29,615
Speaker 6: and you don't have to put in heating all right,

542
00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:32,455
Speaker 6: So New Zealand houses to comply with the Building Code

543
00:31:32,535 --> 00:31:37,055
Speaker 6: do not need heating. The one thing that's very important

544
00:31:37,095 --> 00:31:39,895
Speaker 6: with the Healthy Home standard is you must provide a

545
00:31:39,935 --> 00:31:42,495
Speaker 6: fixed form of heating and a living space that allows

546
00:31:42,535 --> 00:31:44,295
Speaker 6: you to get that to eighteen degrees and you have

547
00:31:44,335 --> 00:31:47,295
Speaker 6: to prove that it can do that, which is the

548
00:31:47,335 --> 00:31:50,415
Speaker 6: heating standard. So you build a brand new sixty square

549
00:31:50,415 --> 00:31:53,055
Speaker 6: meter dwelling in your backyard, you decide to rent it out,

550
00:31:53,295 --> 00:31:55,135
Speaker 6: and the first thing that happens is someone does a

551
00:31:55,175 --> 00:32:03,535
Speaker 6: healthy homes assessment goes, no heating, can't rent it. Look

552
00:32:03,895 --> 00:32:08,095
Speaker 6: I I you know I wouldn't. I can see the

553
00:32:08,175 --> 00:32:15,175
Speaker 6: challenges in being a legislator. So but and you know

554
00:32:15,215 --> 00:32:18,175
Speaker 6: even what you're talking about in your instance right where

555
00:32:18,255 --> 00:32:20,895
Speaker 6: you could potentially do some work on your property to

556
00:32:20,975 --> 00:32:24,215
Speaker 6: expand it. But an alternative is to go, why don't

557
00:32:24,215 --> 00:32:27,535
Speaker 6: I get an off site manufactured minor dwelling added to

558
00:32:27,895 --> 00:32:31,015
Speaker 6: space in the backyard, And then I'll connect the two.

559
00:32:31,095 --> 00:32:33,455
Speaker 6: So the first thing that jumps to mind is the

560
00:32:33,495 --> 00:32:36,615
Speaker 6: building needs to be the height of the building away

561
00:32:36,655 --> 00:32:40,255
Speaker 6: from your existing house. So you can't put it a

562
00:32:40,295 --> 00:32:42,615
Speaker 6: meter away from your house and have a little awning

563
00:32:43,375 --> 00:32:46,095
Speaker 6: that gives you some shelter. If the building's going to

564
00:32:46,095 --> 00:32:49,335
Speaker 6: be two point four plus the foundation, so three probably

565
00:32:49,375 --> 00:32:52,175
Speaker 6: three point two meters, it's got to be three point

566
00:32:52,175 --> 00:32:56,735
Speaker 6: two meters away from your existing building. Why because that's

567
00:32:56,815 --> 00:33:01,175
Speaker 6: the rules around minor dwellings, right, So they have to

568
00:33:01,175 --> 00:33:03,455
Speaker 6: be the height of the building away from the boundary

569
00:33:03,615 --> 00:33:06,095
Speaker 6: or proximity to an existing dwelling.

570
00:33:07,175 --> 00:33:08,655
Speaker 8: That's the height of the cabin or.

571
00:33:08,615 --> 00:33:13,055
Speaker 6: The height of the cabin. Yes, ah, yeah, so that's there.

572
00:33:13,255 --> 00:33:15,055
Speaker 8: The cans are quite small.

573
00:33:15,775 --> 00:33:18,335
Speaker 6: Often that's why they're quite small. The other thing is

574
00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:20,735
Speaker 6: often when you really look at it, they're in the

575
00:33:20,775 --> 00:33:24,815
Speaker 6: wrong place. And I could go straight to a property

576
00:33:24,815 --> 00:33:29,175
Speaker 6: today and find a cabin sleep out that's been added

577
00:33:29,215 --> 00:33:31,935
Speaker 6: to the back of a property that's in the wrong place. Right,

578
00:33:32,015 --> 00:33:36,815
Speaker 6: it's too close to the boundary. Oh and I reckon,

579
00:33:37,135 --> 00:33:39,495
Speaker 6: I don't know, eighty percent will probably end up in

580
00:33:39,535 --> 00:33:39,975
Speaker 6: the wrong.

581
00:33:39,815 --> 00:33:45,055
Speaker 8: Place, but that those cabins have the ability to be

582
00:33:45,535 --> 00:33:48,255
Speaker 8: moved if the neighbor.

583
00:33:48,375 --> 00:33:54,175
Speaker 6: Possibly possibly Yeah, hey, look it's it's a.

584
00:33:53,615 --> 00:33:55,495
Speaker 8: What a mine field exactly.

585
00:33:55,535 --> 00:33:58,375
Speaker 6: And I don't want to put you off, but I

586
00:33:58,415 --> 00:34:03,935
Speaker 6: think unfortunately you know no, But in these situations like

587
00:34:04,015 --> 00:34:09,215
Speaker 6: we're you know it, it's easy. Again, I'm respectful of government, right,

588
00:34:09,335 --> 00:34:12,655
Speaker 6: so I know they're heading in the right direction. And

589
00:34:12,655 --> 00:34:15,415
Speaker 6: and but I think that once you make an announcement

590
00:34:15,495 --> 00:34:16,935
Speaker 6: like this, we're going to make it easier to build

591
00:34:16,975 --> 00:34:20,655
Speaker 6: sixty square meters. And then people that know go, hang on,

592
00:34:20,815 --> 00:34:24,015
Speaker 6: what about dot dot dot dot dot dot dot, and

593
00:34:24,255 --> 00:34:26,895
Speaker 6: and then suddenly we're into a much bigger discussion.

594
00:34:28,215 --> 00:34:33,455
Speaker 8: So just to clarify, the Council has the by law

595
00:34:34,815 --> 00:34:39,935
Speaker 8: or regulate the building of and sets all the regulations

596
00:34:39,975 --> 00:34:42,015
Speaker 8: about how something should be built.

597
00:34:43,935 --> 00:34:45,375
Speaker 4: Homes, Yes, go on.

598
00:34:46,335 --> 00:34:49,055
Speaker 8: The Healthy Homes is a government initiative.

599
00:34:49,535 --> 00:34:52,335
Speaker 6: Yeah, And it's administered through Tendency Services right.

600
00:34:53,415 --> 00:34:55,135
Speaker 10: And the builders.

601
00:34:56,495 --> 00:35:00,255
Speaker 8: There there LV, but they're licensed.

602
00:35:00,735 --> 00:35:05,815
Speaker 6: The Licensed Building Practitioner scheme is administered through inmby basically another.

603
00:35:05,535 --> 00:35:13,055
Speaker 8: Government's part three competing organizations. When it comes to considering

604
00:35:13,295 --> 00:35:20,775
Speaker 8: how we're going to put together these these alternative accommodation

605
00:35:21,455 --> 00:35:26,335
Speaker 8: and exactly, I myself would much prefer to see properties

606
00:35:26,375 --> 00:35:29,375
Speaker 8: with a grainy slat on it as opposed to, oh,

607
00:35:29,455 --> 00:35:31,495
Speaker 8: we can't afford to live here any longer, so let's

608
00:35:31,495 --> 00:35:35,295
Speaker 8: sell it to a developer who'll put five townhouses. And

609
00:35:35,415 --> 00:35:40,455
Speaker 8: some of them have been have been absolutely a disaster

610
00:35:40,575 --> 00:35:44,335
Speaker 8: to look at. And I just you know, especially in

611
00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:50,215
Speaker 8: the nicer areas, lovely granny fat and lovely manicured garden

612
00:35:50,455 --> 00:35:51,295
Speaker 8: is the way to go.

613
00:35:51,535 --> 00:35:55,895
Speaker 6: If you ask me, I would probably disagree with you

614
00:35:56,735 --> 00:36:00,215
Speaker 6: that I think that we that I think intensification is

615
00:36:00,335 --> 00:36:04,535
Speaker 6: necessary in urban environments. I think it should be well done.

616
00:36:04,975 --> 00:36:07,735
Speaker 6: You know, there's there's nothing more painful than looking at

617
00:36:07,775 --> 00:36:09,695
Speaker 6: a poorly, poorly executed building.

618
00:36:09,775 --> 00:36:09,895
Speaker 11: Right.

619
00:36:10,015 --> 00:36:12,935
Speaker 6: So there are some developments which are terrible. One of

620
00:36:13,255 --> 00:36:14,855
Speaker 6: I was in christ Church a couple of weeks ago,

621
00:36:14,855 --> 00:36:16,935
Speaker 6: and one of the things that struck me just being

622
00:36:17,015 --> 00:36:19,935
Speaker 6: in the inner city, right in the CBD, was the

623
00:36:20,375 --> 00:36:22,575
Speaker 6: sort of the pepper potting of what I thought were

624
00:36:22,735 --> 00:36:27,615
Speaker 6: really attractive residential developments, you know, medium density, three stories,

625
00:36:27,935 --> 00:36:30,535
Speaker 6: quite compact, but they were right in the city, and

626
00:36:30,615 --> 00:36:32,695
Speaker 6: the ones that I saw were really attractive, and I

627
00:36:32,775 --> 00:36:35,975
Speaker 6: think that's a really good model for development, you know,

628
00:36:36,655 --> 00:36:39,815
Speaker 6: allowing developers to find a section down the end of

629
00:36:39,895 --> 00:36:42,575
Speaker 6: a right of way, twenty minute walk from a bus

630
00:36:42,655 --> 00:36:45,255
Speaker 6: stop and pull off an old house and wack on

631
00:36:45,375 --> 00:36:48,415
Speaker 6: six townhouses. I think that's not good development, right, That

632
00:36:48,855 --> 00:36:51,695
Speaker 6: doesn't make sense. So I think that's what you're saying.

633
00:36:51,735 --> 00:36:53,935
Speaker 6: But I'm saying that if we do it well, I

634
00:36:54,015 --> 00:36:57,575
Speaker 6: think it's great. I've loved talking with you. Happy Easter

635
00:36:57,735 --> 00:37:01,815
Speaker 6: to you. Thank you very much, and hopefully we'll talk again.

636
00:37:02,015 --> 00:37:05,815
Speaker 6: You take care, see then bye way your news talks CDB.

637
00:37:05,895 --> 00:37:09,375
Speaker 6: We're talking all things building construction, and I as I do,

638
00:37:09,495 --> 00:37:13,295
Speaker 6: apologize for the kind of lecture or exegesis on tiny holmes,

639
00:37:13,375 --> 00:37:16,975
Speaker 6: but I find it it's a fascinating discussion at the moment,

640
00:37:17,095 --> 00:37:22,535
Speaker 6: and from my point of view, I think it's what's

641
00:37:22,575 --> 00:37:24,455
Speaker 6: that phrase, The devil is always in the detail?

642
00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:24,695
Speaker 12: Right?

643
00:37:24,895 --> 00:37:28,375
Speaker 6: So you know we I suppose government is all governments,

644
00:37:28,415 --> 00:37:33,535
Speaker 6: regardless of their stripe, want to make bold statements going

645
00:37:33,655 --> 00:37:37,135
Speaker 6: I've found the solution, and typically when they do, it

646
00:37:37,335 --> 00:37:41,055
Speaker 6: gets unpicked by the detail. And I think this government

647
00:37:41,135 --> 00:37:43,735
Speaker 6: finds itself in a similar situation where this is what

648
00:37:43,855 --> 00:37:46,415
Speaker 6: we want to do, but then we're running into all

649
00:37:46,495 --> 00:37:50,295
Speaker 6: of these these layers upon layers of complexity. Is there

650
00:37:50,335 --> 00:37:52,095
Speaker 6: a way around it? Well, we'll find out this morning

651
00:37:52,135 --> 00:37:54,335
Speaker 6: on the show, won't we six forty three or almost

652
00:37:54,375 --> 00:37:56,215
Speaker 6: six forty four? Here a new sort seed B. Well,

653
00:37:56,255 --> 00:37:58,055
Speaker 6: thanks for holding and good morning.

654
00:37:58,895 --> 00:37:59,375
Speaker 13: Good morning.

655
00:37:59,455 --> 00:37:59,695
Speaker 4: How are you?

656
00:37:59,895 --> 00:38:00,095
Speaker 11: Yeah?

657
00:38:00,215 --> 00:38:00,935
Speaker 6: Very well, thanks Will.

658
00:38:02,015 --> 00:38:04,815
Speaker 14: I'm just going to my radio, go for it.

659
00:38:07,975 --> 00:38:10,175
Speaker 15: Is there, yeah, go go yeah.

660
00:38:11,535 --> 00:38:15,415
Speaker 16: I live in an old woolshed, right, yes.

661
00:38:15,575 --> 00:38:15,655
Speaker 2: S.

662
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:23,335
Speaker 16: And my garage door is broken down and that's actually

663
00:38:23,455 --> 00:38:27,295
Speaker 16: broken completely and I can't seem to find a replacement

664
00:38:27,375 --> 00:38:33,455
Speaker 16: because it's maybe built in sixties or seventies, yep, And

665
00:38:33,615 --> 00:38:37,055
Speaker 16: I was just wondering do you have any suggestions.

666
00:38:36,495 --> 00:38:42,375
Speaker 6: On a replacement or when you say, you know, like

667
00:38:42,455 --> 00:38:45,255
Speaker 6: the shed door, is it a sliding door, is it

668
00:38:45,375 --> 00:38:48,335
Speaker 6: a tilted door, Is it sort of an opening door

669
00:38:48,415 --> 00:38:49,255
Speaker 6: that's on hinges.

670
00:38:50,295 --> 00:38:51,335
Speaker 7: No, it's a rolling door.

671
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:54,415
Speaker 6: It's a roller door. Look, roller doors are still around.

672
00:38:54,615 --> 00:38:58,695
Speaker 6: I price some up just the other day. So what

673
00:38:58,855 --> 00:39:02,495
Speaker 6: you might find is that the hardware isn't suitable, let's say,

674
00:39:02,655 --> 00:39:06,655
Speaker 6: just to replace like for like, so the actual for

675
00:39:06,735 --> 00:39:09,575
Speaker 6: one of them or the roller Often what you'll have

676
00:39:09,775 --> 00:39:12,855
Speaker 6: is you've got the door jam trimmed out on the inside.

677
00:39:12,895 --> 00:39:15,415
Speaker 6: You'll have a U channel that the door slides down

678
00:39:15,495 --> 00:39:18,015
Speaker 6: in at the top of that, some great big, hefty

679
00:39:18,295 --> 00:39:21,015
Speaker 6: L brackets that are bolted into the framing, and then

680
00:39:21,095 --> 00:39:23,495
Speaker 6: the axle of the roller door sits on top of that.

681
00:39:23,735 --> 00:39:27,215
Speaker 6: So often they can be you could get one made

682
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:30,415
Speaker 6: to exactly the right size, or it might be cheaper

683
00:39:30,575 --> 00:39:35,415
Speaker 6: to have one buy one that's around the same size,

684
00:39:35,455 --> 00:39:38,015
Speaker 6: and then you just have to adjust the fittings for

685
00:39:38,215 --> 00:39:42,095
Speaker 6: it as well. But certainly roller doors are common. They're

686
00:39:42,135 --> 00:39:44,095
Speaker 6: still common, so they're out there.

687
00:39:44,935 --> 00:39:48,535
Speaker 16: I'd looked on trade men. I couldn't find anything much.

688
00:39:48,935 --> 00:39:51,295
Speaker 6: A yeah, but then you're trying to find something at

689
00:39:51,335 --> 00:39:53,495
Speaker 6: secondhand or something like that, and maybe you just need

690
00:39:53,575 --> 00:39:56,495
Speaker 6: to be patient, but certainly if you wanted to go.

691
00:39:57,215 --> 00:40:00,015
Speaker 6: Actually I did it, not that long ago, but not

692
00:40:00,175 --> 00:40:04,135
Speaker 6: recently either, where a couple of existing sheds from the

693
00:40:04,215 --> 00:40:08,255
Speaker 6: nineteen seventies garages had doors that were kind of on

694
00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:10,575
Speaker 6: a track system. And it's all getting a bit clumbersome.

695
00:40:10,935 --> 00:40:12,735
Speaker 6: So I got some guys in that I know, and

696
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:16,335
Speaker 6: they priced up replacement roller doors, no trouble at all

697
00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:20,575
Speaker 6: to an existing opening, so and they weren't terribly expensive,

698
00:40:20,615 --> 00:40:22,495
Speaker 6: but they were only small, single ones. So if yours

699
00:40:22,575 --> 00:40:26,855
Speaker 6: is taller or wider, it will get expensive. Can I

700
00:40:26,895 --> 00:40:29,575
Speaker 6: ask you a question you can not to answer this?

701
00:40:30,695 --> 00:40:33,135
Speaker 6: The wool shed that you're living in. Is that you're

702
00:40:33,215 --> 00:40:35,295
Speaker 6: own dwelling or do you rent it from someone?

703
00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:37,855
Speaker 7: It's on my family phone?

704
00:40:38,055 --> 00:40:40,695
Speaker 6: Okay, perfect, all right, No, No, I just you know,

705
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:43,455
Speaker 6: given the long discussion we had with Caroline just before

706
00:40:44,055 --> 00:40:47,055
Speaker 6: around you know, compliance and healthy homes legislation and all

707
00:40:47,095 --> 00:40:53,295
Speaker 6: the rest of it, I'm just intrigued by your own

708
00:40:53,375 --> 00:40:56,175
Speaker 6: circumstance in terms of you know, do you pay rent

709
00:40:56,255 --> 00:40:59,375
Speaker 6: on that, do you own it? Who's Because every now

710
00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:02,255
Speaker 6: and then you see these stories where counsel decide that

711
00:41:02,495 --> 00:41:04,735
Speaker 6: they don't like the fact that someone's living in an

712
00:41:04,775 --> 00:41:06,975
Speaker 6: old building, and so they'll issue them with a notice

713
00:41:07,175 --> 00:41:09,415
Speaker 6: to fix and then if they don't fix it, they'll

714
00:41:09,455 --> 00:41:13,535
Speaker 6: come and forcibly evict people and those sorts of things.

715
00:41:13,615 --> 00:41:15,735
Speaker 6: So I was just intrigued when you said you lived

716
00:41:15,775 --> 00:41:18,815
Speaker 6: in a woolshed, because, with the greatest respect to the woolshed,

717
00:41:18,895 --> 00:41:22,175
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's not Healthy Homes compliant, nor would it

718
00:41:22,215 --> 00:41:23,695
Speaker 6: be anywhere close to the building code.

719
00:41:23,735 --> 00:41:25,695
Speaker 7: But no, I think that is.

720
00:41:26,535 --> 00:41:31,215
Speaker 16: We considered it right too flats years ago.

721
00:41:32,135 --> 00:41:34,175
Speaker 6: So it's lined on the inside and it's got proper

722
00:41:34,215 --> 00:41:38,615
Speaker 6: flooring and it's not gapped, and okay, awesome, awesome, But

723
00:41:38,775 --> 00:41:42,455
Speaker 6: look in terms of the roller door. In terms of

724
00:41:42,455 --> 00:41:45,255
Speaker 6: the roller door, you might have to go for a

725
00:41:45,375 --> 00:41:49,015
Speaker 6: new one and someone could come out measure the width

726
00:41:49,095 --> 00:41:51,535
Speaker 6: and the drop and make your door that will simply

727
00:41:51,935 --> 00:41:56,495
Speaker 6: slot in. So I think you will find one. It's

728
00:41:56,535 --> 00:42:00,175
Speaker 6: probably not that many manufacturers roller doors in a new build.

729
00:42:00,175 --> 00:42:01,655
Speaker 6: I don't think I've seen one go into a new

730
00:42:01,695 --> 00:42:05,855
Speaker 6: build for quite a while, but they're still around without

731
00:42:05,895 --> 00:42:07,975
Speaker 6: a doubt. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

732
00:42:08,055 --> 00:42:08,735
Speaker 6: the number to call.

733
00:42:09,975 --> 00:42:11,535
Speaker 4: News Talk said, be extra.

734
00:42:12,015 --> 00:42:14,775
Speaker 17: It's the age old problem with consultation. You see it

735
00:42:14,855 --> 00:42:17,255
Speaker 17: with cycle ways and councils. And I've spoken about this

736
00:42:17,375 --> 00:42:19,295
Speaker 17: before because it's a pet peeve of mind. But only

737
00:42:19,375 --> 00:42:21,815
Speaker 17: those people who really love to get on a bike

738
00:42:22,015 --> 00:42:24,815
Speaker 17: bother to turn up and make an oral submission. Everyone

739
00:42:24,855 --> 00:42:27,215
Speaker 17: else is too busy and stuck in traffic getting to work.

740
00:42:28,175 --> 00:42:31,895
Speaker 17: So the fact this bill has failed doesn't mean it

741
00:42:31,935 --> 00:42:35,295
Speaker 17: will fail if put to the public. The biggest issue

742
00:42:35,335 --> 00:42:38,335
Speaker 17: here for Seymour I reckon is timing. The treaty question

743
00:42:38,535 --> 00:42:42,495
Speaker 17: isn't question is an existential one. It's a largely theoretical one.

744
00:42:43,095 --> 00:42:46,335
Speaker 17: Trying to have this debate during the worst recession in

745
00:42:46,535 --> 00:42:50,375
Speaker 17: thirty years and coming off the back of sky high inflation.

746
00:42:50,455 --> 00:42:53,455
Speaker 17: It's just bad timing. People want their government talking about

747
00:42:53,575 --> 00:42:57,575
Speaker 17: mortgage rates, not race. One day, the time might come,

748
00:42:57,775 --> 00:43:00,095
Speaker 17: the moment might be right and we can afford to

749
00:43:00,175 --> 00:43:04,055
Speaker 17: confront this issue, which given the number of submission, clearly

750
00:43:04,175 --> 00:43:06,255
Speaker 17: has a fair whack of us rather excess.

751
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:11,735
Speaker 4: Sorry that was a news Talk Zibby Extra News Talk Extra.

752
00:43:11,935 --> 00:43:13,215
Speaker 5: What am I going to do it at that blowply,

753
00:43:16,775 --> 00:43:18,775
Speaker 5: I'll do it live hold your horses to bring the

754
00:43:18,855 --> 00:43:19,695
Speaker 5: microphone round.

755
00:43:21,295 --> 00:43:21,975
Speaker 6: Nothing better than that.

756
00:43:22,095 --> 00:43:22,935
Speaker 5: It's coming around.

757
00:43:23,615 --> 00:43:25,135
Speaker 6: I'll talk you through at the blowfly.

758
00:43:25,455 --> 00:43:25,935
Speaker 3: Expect.

759
00:43:26,815 --> 00:43:30,055
Speaker 5: I've got quite a long me on the microphone. So

760
00:43:30,135 --> 00:43:34,615
Speaker 5: I've spun the angle poised microphone right round. So now

761
00:43:34,615 --> 00:43:36,935
Speaker 5: I'm going to open the door and I'm gonna switch

762
00:43:37,015 --> 00:43:39,775
Speaker 5: the light off in one foul move. Okay, this is

763
00:43:39,815 --> 00:43:40,895
Speaker 5: the light switch going off.

764
00:43:43,535 --> 00:43:44,015
Speaker 11: Lights off.

765
00:43:44,175 --> 00:43:45,015
Speaker 18: I've opened the door.

766
00:43:46,295 --> 00:43:50,055
Speaker 6: Out you get, mate, Yeah, yo, out you get I'll

767
00:43:50,095 --> 00:43:51,855
Speaker 6: throw something. I'll throw something near it.

768
00:43:53,415 --> 00:43:57,615
Speaker 5: Actually get mate, Come on, i'ven't got time to really

769
00:43:57,655 --> 00:44:04,095
Speaker 5: Denny with you for a show in the glass window.

770
00:44:04,735 --> 00:44:06,375
Speaker 6: Actually get toy.

771
00:44:07,415 --> 00:44:09,775
Speaker 4: That was a news talk zby Extra.

772
00:44:12,535 --> 00:44:15,455
Speaker 6: Right own News Talk SB ten minutes away from seven

773
00:44:17,295 --> 00:44:21,495
Speaker 6: oh quick text two quick sexts. To be fair regarding

774
00:44:21,535 --> 00:44:24,535
Speaker 6: Chris Pink, politicians are usually well healed and consequently look

775
00:44:24,575 --> 00:44:26,575
Speaker 6: out for business, not the little guy. We've had leaky

776
00:44:26,615 --> 00:44:29,135
Speaker 6: buildings and now poorly built apartments, robbing people of their

777
00:44:29,175 --> 00:44:31,375
Speaker 6: homes but leaving them with huge mortgages. Please ask the

778
00:44:31,455 --> 00:44:34,295
Speaker 6: minister what safeguards will be in place for neighbors and

779
00:44:34,335 --> 00:44:38,575
Speaker 6: subsequent purchases who don't have I'm just reading the text

780
00:44:38,615 --> 00:44:42,055
Speaker 6: out his deep pockets to research and litigate. Regards from Owen.

781
00:44:42,975 --> 00:44:45,135
Speaker 6: I don't know that that's completely true of politicians, but

782
00:44:45,255 --> 00:44:50,735
Speaker 6: I'm happy to put that question forward. And Andrea texts,

783
00:44:50,895 --> 00:44:53,135
Speaker 6: how come a minor dwelling has to be its height

784
00:44:53,175 --> 00:44:56,375
Speaker 6: away from the boundary. However a developer can put in

785
00:44:56,695 --> 00:45:00,055
Speaker 6: multiple story buildings right up onto the boundary. It's because

786
00:45:00,055 --> 00:45:04,335
Speaker 6: the developer has gone and got planning permission and building consent. Right,

787
00:45:04,855 --> 00:45:07,455
Speaker 6: So all of this talk around mind and dwellings not

788
00:45:07,615 --> 00:45:11,455
Speaker 6: necessarily requiring building consent, then potter in a series of

789
00:45:11,495 --> 00:45:15,455
Speaker 6: safeguards around that. And as I understand it, or my

790
00:45:15,575 --> 00:45:18,375
Speaker 6: interpretation of it, is, if you allow someone to build

791
00:45:18,415 --> 00:45:24,015
Speaker 6: a building without a building consent, and then you're reliant

792
00:45:24,135 --> 00:45:27,655
Speaker 6: on their skill ability technical knowledge to ensure that it

793
00:45:27,695 --> 00:45:31,295
Speaker 6: doesn't fall over. So a really simple safety method is

794
00:45:31,375 --> 00:45:33,535
Speaker 6: to ensure that if it does fall over, it's not

795
00:45:33,575 --> 00:45:36,855
Speaker 6: going to fall on anything anybody else's property, Hence moving

796
00:45:36,935 --> 00:45:39,495
Speaker 6: it the height of the building away from the boundary.

797
00:45:39,775 --> 00:45:41,535
Speaker 6: If it falls over, it's still going to be on

798
00:45:41,615 --> 00:45:43,975
Speaker 6: your property. That's where I think that legislation comes from.

799
00:45:44,055 --> 00:45:47,455
Speaker 6: All that planning regulation comes from Steve. Good morning to you.

800
00:45:49,215 --> 00:45:50,895
Speaker 19: Yeah, good morning Hull, very well.

801
00:45:50,975 --> 00:45:51,215
Speaker 4: Thanks.

802
00:45:52,215 --> 00:45:52,375
Speaker 14: Hey.

803
00:45:53,095 --> 00:45:54,815
Speaker 19: I've just got a car forward at my place and

804
00:45:54,855 --> 00:45:57,055
Speaker 19: i'd like to I like to tear it down because

805
00:45:57,055 --> 00:45:59,415
Speaker 19: it's become like a bit of a liability. It was

806
00:45:59,455 --> 00:46:03,215
Speaker 19: built back in the seventies and it's just yeah, falling

807
00:46:03,295 --> 00:46:06,495
Speaker 19: over it's going on today. So I want to want

808
00:46:06,535 --> 00:46:09,895
Speaker 19: to replace it. But I'm in the convenient position of

809
00:46:10,055 --> 00:46:12,575
Speaker 19: being a fit of welder so I can.

810
00:46:12,615 --> 00:46:13,335
Speaker 14: Actually do it.

811
00:46:14,215 --> 00:46:18,855
Speaker 19: Whereas you know, modern modern yes practices and using steel.

812
00:46:19,655 --> 00:46:22,655
Speaker 19: Do I need to get consent to change the design

813
00:46:23,015 --> 00:46:23,455
Speaker 19: that much?

814
00:46:26,895 --> 00:46:30,095
Speaker 6: It's it's an it could let's err on the side

815
00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:33,255
Speaker 6: of let's have a go, right. So if it's there,

816
00:46:33,615 --> 00:46:37,415
Speaker 6: and it might be, did it get a building consent

817
00:46:37,535 --> 00:46:38,215
Speaker 6: in the first place?

818
00:46:38,255 --> 00:46:38,535
Speaker 12: Do you know?

819
00:46:38,855 --> 00:46:40,855
Speaker 6: Probably not a I had a.

820
00:46:40,895 --> 00:46:42,975
Speaker 19: Bit of a look around on e docs and there's

821
00:46:43,135 --> 00:46:46,055
Speaker 19: nothing about the design of the car work, just as

822
00:46:46,095 --> 00:46:47,815
Speaker 19: it says it has a car work.

823
00:46:48,015 --> 00:46:51,135
Speaker 6: Okay, and its location is plotted on a on a

824
00:46:51,535 --> 00:46:56,255
Speaker 6: site plant that shows its location. Not even that okay,

825
00:46:56,375 --> 00:47:00,255
Speaker 6: all right, Look I how big is it? Roughly?

826
00:47:01,175 --> 00:47:03,495
Speaker 19: It would be keen by five.

827
00:47:04,055 --> 00:47:07,055
Speaker 6: Okay, so fifty square meters. So right now, the legislation

828
00:47:07,335 --> 00:47:09,335
Speaker 6: allows you to build a carport of up to I

829
00:47:09,375 --> 00:47:13,415
Speaker 6: think it's forty square meters without necessarily requiring a building consent.

830
00:47:13,535 --> 00:47:16,095
Speaker 6: But then it triggers all of those other rules, like

831
00:47:16,255 --> 00:47:17,935
Speaker 6: it needs to be the height of the building away

832
00:47:17,975 --> 00:47:22,375
Speaker 6: from the boundary or an adjacent property or adjacent dwelling.

833
00:47:22,495 --> 00:47:25,135
Speaker 6: So in your situation, I suspect that if it's let's

834
00:47:25,135 --> 00:47:29,055
Speaker 6: say three meters high, it's probably not three meters from

835
00:47:29,055 --> 00:47:29,575
Speaker 6: the boundary.

836
00:47:30,975 --> 00:47:34,095
Speaker 19: No, it's two hundred mile from the boundary.

837
00:47:34,295 --> 00:47:39,095
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, So even if you were to the

838
00:47:39,215 --> 00:47:42,215
Speaker 6: only way that you could possibly do it and kind

839
00:47:42,255 --> 00:47:44,095
Speaker 6: of stay on the right side of the law is

840
00:47:44,175 --> 00:47:48,015
Speaker 6: if you said it's repairs and maintenance, I e. It's

841
00:47:48,215 --> 00:47:50,295
Speaker 6: like for like, I'm going to keep it the same

842
00:47:50,415 --> 00:47:54,375
Speaker 6: size and the same location, but over a period of time,

843
00:47:54,495 --> 00:47:56,095
Speaker 6: I'm going to change the post, Then I'm going to

844
00:47:56,175 --> 00:47:58,095
Speaker 6: change the beam, Then I'm going to change the perlin,

845
00:47:58,135 --> 00:48:00,735
Speaker 6: then I'm going to change the roofing, and effectively you

846
00:48:00,895 --> 00:48:03,775
Speaker 6: rebuild it in the same location. I think you would

847
00:48:03,815 --> 00:48:07,775
Speaker 6: have an argument to say it's basically repairs and maintenance.

848
00:48:07,895 --> 00:48:11,255
Speaker 6: If you knock it down completely all in one go

849
00:48:11,455 --> 00:48:14,175
Speaker 6: and rebuild it, technically you should have a building consent

850
00:48:14,335 --> 00:48:17,895
Speaker 6: because of its proximity to the boundary A right. Yeah,

851
00:48:19,135 --> 00:48:21,735
Speaker 6: And I hope people don't get the impression that somehow

852
00:48:21,775 --> 00:48:23,935
Speaker 6: I think that, you know, getting a building consent is

853
00:48:24,375 --> 00:48:28,135
Speaker 6: not worthwhile. I actually think that, And this is part

854
00:48:28,175 --> 00:48:30,455
Speaker 6: of this discussion. It was about the tiny homes, it's

855
00:48:30,495 --> 00:48:33,935
Speaker 6: about non buildings that don't necessarily need consent. Is that

856
00:48:34,775 --> 00:48:37,335
Speaker 6: you know, you might find that if you have some

857
00:48:37,575 --> 00:48:41,655
Speaker 6: plans drawn and submitted to counsel and then they go

858
00:48:41,815 --> 00:48:45,535
Speaker 6: on to the property record, that you could consider the

859
00:48:45,615 --> 00:48:48,335
Speaker 6: cost of that an investment in the value of your

860
00:48:48,375 --> 00:48:52,015
Speaker 6: property because you're able to say to a prospective purchaser

861
00:48:52,055 --> 00:48:56,175
Speaker 6: in the future, here's an assurance that this building work

862
00:48:56,295 --> 00:48:58,975
Speaker 6: is compliant because I got a building code and I

863
00:48:59,055 --> 00:49:01,455
Speaker 6: got a final inspection and I got a CCC for

864
00:49:01,535 --> 00:49:03,535
Speaker 6: it at the end of it. So I think we

865
00:49:03,655 --> 00:49:07,735
Speaker 6: do need to I think we do need to recognize

866
00:49:07,775 --> 00:49:10,575
Speaker 6: there is a real value in having a building consent

867
00:49:10,695 --> 00:49:14,575
Speaker 6: and a building code. But it is an investment, right,

868
00:49:14,775 --> 00:49:17,295
Speaker 6: or it's a cost if you're looking at it negatively.

869
00:49:17,415 --> 00:49:19,215
Speaker 6: It's an investment if you're trying to be a little

870
00:49:19,215 --> 00:49:21,375
Speaker 6: bit positive about it. But I think for what you

871
00:49:21,495 --> 00:49:24,615
Speaker 6: want to build, I admire the fact that you're prepared

872
00:49:24,655 --> 00:49:27,255
Speaker 6: to be reasonable about it, knock it down before it

873
00:49:27,335 --> 00:49:31,135
Speaker 6: falls down. But I think that from a technical point

874
00:49:31,175 --> 00:49:33,095
Speaker 6: of view, it does require a building consent.

875
00:49:34,095 --> 00:49:36,975
Speaker 19: Yeah, I guess the concern would be like, if I

876
00:49:37,055 --> 00:49:39,495
Speaker 19: get consent, then they're going to want engineering, And if

877
00:49:39,535 --> 00:49:41,695
Speaker 19: they want engineering, they're going to look at what's in

878
00:49:41,775 --> 00:49:44,255
Speaker 19: the block and being built into guarantees. Is a good

879
00:49:44,335 --> 00:49:46,095
Speaker 19: chance not all the blocks were.

880
00:49:46,055 --> 00:49:49,455
Speaker 6: Filled, and so in that case, if you've got an

881
00:49:49,495 --> 00:49:54,455
Speaker 6: existing block wall on the boundary, you know, and then

882
00:49:54,495 --> 00:49:56,295
Speaker 6: it's an open structure from there.

883
00:49:58,295 --> 00:50:00,295
Speaker 19: Where it's attached to the house currently.

884
00:50:00,895 --> 00:50:06,095
Speaker 6: Right, Okay, Look, I would off the record just between

885
00:50:06,135 --> 00:50:08,855
Speaker 6: you and I would probably look at it as repairs

886
00:50:08,895 --> 00:50:11,295
Speaker 6: and maintenance. I'd leave the block wall in place, I'd

887
00:50:11,415 --> 00:50:17,015
Speaker 6: replace whatever structures are unsound and do that as repairs

888
00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:17,575
Speaker 6: and maintenance.

889
00:50:18,495 --> 00:50:19,615
Speaker 19: Yeah, right, that makes sense.

890
00:50:19,815 --> 00:50:20,015
Speaker 12: Yeah.

891
00:50:20,335 --> 00:50:22,255
Speaker 6: All the best is Stephen, Thanks again for waiting, really

892
00:50:22,295 --> 00:50:24,615
Speaker 6: appreciate it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

893
00:50:24,735 --> 00:50:27,735
Speaker 6: the number. Call John, quick question from you before the break.

894
00:50:27,815 --> 00:50:28,455
Speaker 6: How are you John?

895
00:50:29,535 --> 00:50:29,695
Speaker 12: Good?

896
00:50:29,775 --> 00:50:30,095
Speaker 20: Thanks?

897
00:50:30,655 --> 00:50:34,855
Speaker 12: My question is about the margin builders can charge on subcontractors.

898
00:50:36,455 --> 00:50:38,855
Speaker 6: Quest you know there's no rules.

899
00:50:40,815 --> 00:50:42,055
Speaker 14: Okay, Well, why.

900
00:50:41,975 --> 00:50:44,655
Speaker 12: Do they get to charge a margin anyway? Because they're

901
00:50:44,695 --> 00:50:48,295
Speaker 12: being paid for supervision, so why should they be part

902
00:50:48,335 --> 00:50:50,895
Speaker 12: of charge a margin on the RUFA?

903
00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:54,695
Speaker 6: And because in the contract that you've got with them,

904
00:50:54,815 --> 00:50:57,055
Speaker 6: that's part of their contract and you've agreed to it.

905
00:50:57,295 --> 00:50:59,415
Speaker 6: So if you don't agree to it, then find a

906
00:50:59,455 --> 00:51:04,335
Speaker 6: contractor who doesn't charge margin. Right, Okay, So, and I'm

907
00:51:04,375 --> 00:51:07,935
Speaker 6: not being flippant. I'm just saying that, you know, to

908
00:51:08,015 --> 00:51:10,775
Speaker 6: the best of my knowledge, there are actually no specific

909
00:51:10,895 --> 00:51:14,255
Speaker 6: rules around it. It's become common practice. There's a good

910
00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:18,015
Speaker 6: rationale behind it. You know, if they are administering all

911
00:51:18,055 --> 00:51:20,815
Speaker 6: of the contracts and they're responsible for the timing and

912
00:51:20,895 --> 00:51:24,455
Speaker 6: so on, then I guess as a way of being

913
00:51:24,495 --> 00:51:27,375
Speaker 6: reimbursed for that time, they could charge a margin. Now

914
00:51:27,895 --> 00:51:30,015
Speaker 6: I think your argument is that, hang on, I'm already

915
00:51:30,095 --> 00:51:32,855
Speaker 6: paying them to run the job. Why do I then

916
00:51:33,175 --> 00:51:36,335
Speaker 6: need to add a margin? But for example, if they're

917
00:51:36,375 --> 00:51:39,655
Speaker 6: responsible for paying the person, they are responsible for paying

918
00:51:39,695 --> 00:51:42,015
Speaker 6: them even if you don't get paid, right, So if

919
00:51:42,095 --> 00:51:44,295
Speaker 6: you decide not to pay your main contractor. But the

920
00:51:44,415 --> 00:51:47,495
Speaker 6: roofer has a contract with your builder to do the roofing.

921
00:51:48,175 --> 00:51:51,855
Speaker 6: Your builders on the hook for the work. Right, So

922
00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:53,695
Speaker 6: that's a way of covering their risk.

923
00:51:54,975 --> 00:51:57,295
Speaker 12: Yeah, okay, so way around there. So I'll pay the

924
00:51:57,535 --> 00:51:58,255
Speaker 12: roofer directly.

925
00:51:59,415 --> 00:52:01,855
Speaker 6: You could do that. That's one way of doing it.

926
00:52:01,935 --> 00:52:03,935
Speaker 6: The other way of doing it is that you say, well, look,

927
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:08,775
Speaker 6: i'll run those people. And I've I haven't done a

928
00:52:08,775 --> 00:52:10,375
Speaker 6: lot of work with clients who do that, but I

929
00:52:10,495 --> 00:52:15,255
Speaker 6: know people who do. But then I'm very strong on

930
00:52:15,375 --> 00:52:17,295
Speaker 6: this in the sense that I think if you, as

931
00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:19,255
Speaker 6: the owner of the property, decide that you're going to

932
00:52:19,775 --> 00:52:22,295
Speaker 6: do more of the project management, and I turn up

933
00:52:22,335 --> 00:52:24,415
Speaker 6: one day as the builder and you haven't got the

934
00:52:24,495 --> 00:52:26,615
Speaker 6: materials or you've got the wrong materials, I'm going to

935
00:52:26,735 --> 00:52:29,855
Speaker 6: charge you for my time regardless, and you're going to go.

936
00:52:29,935 --> 00:52:31,775
Speaker 6: But hang on, you you can't do any work. I

937
00:52:31,815 --> 00:52:34,095
Speaker 6: can't do any work because you're not organized. So if

938
00:52:34,135 --> 00:52:36,215
Speaker 6: you want to take on that risk, have a go.

939
00:52:36,575 --> 00:52:40,935
Speaker 6: But you know it's it's a significant risk. No right,

940
00:52:41,455 --> 00:52:44,575
Speaker 6: looks it's just in the it's whatever you contract with.

941
00:52:45,055 --> 00:52:47,895
Speaker 6: There are no rules, right, as best I understand it.

942
00:52:47,975 --> 00:52:50,655
Speaker 6: So it's whatever you contract And so.

943
00:52:50,735 --> 00:52:51,415
Speaker 19: What's a range.

944
00:52:51,535 --> 00:52:52,695
Speaker 12: What's a reasonable range?

945
00:52:53,095 --> 00:52:57,695
Speaker 6: Oh, look, I think most commonly, I think it's around

946
00:52:57,735 --> 00:53:01,975
Speaker 6: the twelve the ten to twelve fifteen percent, right, I

947
00:53:02,095 --> 00:53:04,895
Speaker 6: think much more than that, and you'd probably want to

948
00:53:05,015 --> 00:53:09,855
Speaker 6: question it. You know, potentially it could be less than that.

949
00:53:10,935 --> 00:53:15,535
Speaker 12: Yeah, again, less less on on things that you know

950
00:53:15,615 --> 00:53:17,975
Speaker 12: are going to go out, like a groof where the

951
00:53:18,055 --> 00:53:19,495
Speaker 12: guy is not going to do the work, he's just

952
00:53:19,615 --> 00:53:22,575
Speaker 12: going to supervise it or you know, make sure it

953
00:53:22,655 --> 00:53:25,375
Speaker 12: works with the rest of the building. So what would

954
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:27,855
Speaker 12: seven and a half or seven percent be reasonable on that?

955
00:53:28,575 --> 00:53:32,255
Speaker 6: It's whatever you negotiate. I tend to stay away from

956
00:53:32,295 --> 00:53:34,895
Speaker 6: discussions around margins and rates and those sorts of things

957
00:53:34,975 --> 00:53:37,655
Speaker 6: only because in the end, it's always individual, that's what

958
00:53:37,775 --> 00:53:40,135
Speaker 6: it is. So it's you need to sit down and

959
00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:42,415
Speaker 6: have a really honest discussion in the same way you know,

960
00:53:42,535 --> 00:53:46,855
Speaker 6: marginal materials. If you're a really good payer, for example,

961
00:53:47,015 --> 00:53:50,215
Speaker 6: then maybe your contractor will accept a slightly lower margin.

962
00:53:50,855 --> 00:54:03,095
Speaker 6: Take care buddy, okay, maybe called pop Right, Yes, it's

963
00:54:03,095 --> 00:54:05,375
Speaker 6: an unusual kind of day, it's a special day, it's

964
00:54:05,375 --> 00:54:08,295
Speaker 6: East Sunday, and it's also an ad free day, So

965
00:54:09,055 --> 00:54:11,175
Speaker 6: the way we run the program is slightly different, So

966
00:54:11,295 --> 00:54:15,015
Speaker 6: my apologies for the occasional heck up there Radio eight

967
00:54:15,135 --> 00:54:17,415
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty, Good morning, welcome along to

968
00:54:17,495 --> 00:54:19,735
Speaker 6: the show. My name is Pete wolf Camp, the Resident Builder,

969
00:54:19,815 --> 00:54:22,975
Speaker 6: and this is a program all about building and construction.

970
00:54:23,215 --> 00:54:26,575
Speaker 6: And I feel slightly embarrassed by the length of my

971
00:54:27,335 --> 00:54:29,775
Speaker 6: explanation around the tiny home things and all of the

972
00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:36,255
Speaker 6: myriad complexity that comes along with it. But yeah, I

973
00:54:36,335 --> 00:54:38,895
Speaker 6: think it's I guess we've got to talk about it

974
00:54:38,935 --> 00:54:43,495
Speaker 6: because that complexity exists. Right, So the idea I think

975
00:54:43,575 --> 00:54:47,175
Speaker 6: the government arguably heading in the right direction. Lots of

976
00:54:47,215 --> 00:54:51,575
Speaker 6: criticism from the industry are within the sector. Different parts

977
00:54:51,615 --> 00:54:57,455
Speaker 6: of the sector going, allowing buildings up to sixty square meters,

978
00:54:57,455 --> 00:54:59,415
Speaker 6: I think is what they're talking about, to be built

979
00:54:59,455 --> 00:55:04,935
Speaker 6: without a building consent has the potential for some level

980
00:55:04,975 --> 00:55:11,735
Speaker 6: of disaster, right, that's part of the sector. Another part

981
00:55:11,775 --> 00:55:13,695
Speaker 6: of the sector might go, hey, it's about time that

982
00:55:13,895 --> 00:55:16,055
Speaker 6: you know, people should be able to build relatively simple

983
00:55:16,095 --> 00:55:18,735
Speaker 6: structures up to that size. I guess, you know, we

984
00:55:18,855 --> 00:55:21,335
Speaker 6: tend to think of sixty square meters as small, and

985
00:55:21,455 --> 00:55:27,615
Speaker 6: it ain't for number of years we lived in our

986
00:55:27,775 --> 00:55:30,855
Speaker 6: fifty square meter to bedroom brick and tile unit. Now

987
00:55:30,935 --> 00:55:33,775
Speaker 6: fifty square meters was kind of enough space for us

988
00:55:34,895 --> 00:55:39,015
Speaker 6: for a period of time, and so the thought of

989
00:55:39,095 --> 00:55:43,455
Speaker 6: building that without a building consent, there's some challenges, so

990
00:55:43,575 --> 00:55:45,335
Speaker 6: that we've been talking a little bit about that on

991
00:55:45,535 --> 00:55:48,855
Speaker 6: the program as well. One hundred and eighty ten eighty

992
00:55:48,975 --> 00:55:51,775
Speaker 6: Did you get the if you're in Auckland, did you

993
00:55:51,855 --> 00:55:55,775
Speaker 6: get the weather alerts yesterday in the afternoon, Because I

994
00:55:55,855 --> 00:55:58,215
Speaker 6: certainly did, got one and then got another one straight after.

995
00:55:59,135 --> 00:56:02,335
Speaker 6: A little bit of criticism for civil defense and for

996
00:56:02,375 --> 00:56:05,695
Speaker 6: the met Service of not being aware of the potential

997
00:56:05,815 --> 00:56:11,135
Speaker 6: for the heavy rain that parts of Auckland experience overnight

998
00:56:11,255 --> 00:56:15,055
Speaker 6: Friday come Sunday morning. That led to some flooding and

999
00:56:15,135 --> 00:56:21,055
Speaker 6: some cars being submerged and roadways blocked and buildings inundated

1000
00:56:21,175 --> 00:56:25,215
Speaker 6: with water. Again, we might talk about that too around

1001
00:56:25,615 --> 00:56:27,495
Speaker 6: you know what can we do? Can you as a

1002
00:56:27,535 --> 00:56:30,655
Speaker 6: homeowner do anything. The other thing that I find absolutely

1003
00:56:30,695 --> 00:56:34,255
Speaker 6: fascinating at the moment, particularly in Auckland, is the buyout scheme.

1004
00:56:34,815 --> 00:56:39,735
Speaker 6: So local government and national government, state government are actively

1005
00:56:39,855 --> 00:56:43,255
Speaker 6: buying out properties and we're talking in Auckland anyway, I

1006
00:56:43,335 --> 00:56:46,015
Speaker 6: think it's around seven hundred dwellings that are going to

1007
00:56:46,135 --> 00:56:52,575
Speaker 6: be purchased, Like I when I first like i'd heard

1008
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:54,415
Speaker 6: about it, but you don't dig into the detail, and

1009
00:56:54,495 --> 00:56:57,495
Speaker 6: so I did the other day and it's all available online.

1010
00:56:57,535 --> 00:56:59,975
Speaker 6: You can see you can't see which individual houses, but

1011
00:57:00,095 --> 00:57:03,015
Speaker 6: a rough idea of breakdown per suburb. So, for example,

1012
00:57:03,095 --> 00:57:05,935
Speaker 6: Milford on the north Shore, one hundred and forty one

1013
00:57:06,335 --> 00:57:09,495
Speaker 6: dwellings are going to be purchased by counsel and government

1014
00:57:10,095 --> 00:57:14,335
Speaker 6: in this buyout scheme, a billion dollar buyout scheme. And

1015
00:57:14,415 --> 00:57:16,735
Speaker 6: I guess they're looking at that going that we can't

1016
00:57:16,775 --> 00:57:19,135
Speaker 6: stop the flooding. We know what the weather's going to do.

1017
00:57:20,175 --> 00:57:22,895
Speaker 6: Even part of that rain event on Friday night, said

1018
00:57:22,935 --> 00:57:26,015
Speaker 6: day morning was part of what I'd call what the

1019
00:57:26,135 --> 00:57:28,455
Speaker 6: statistics would say is a one in one hundred year

1020
00:57:28,455 --> 00:57:31,535
Speaker 6: flood event. And while I've got a few gray hairs

1021
00:57:31,575 --> 00:57:33,655
Speaker 6: and that sort of thing, I reckon I've been through

1022
00:57:33,695 --> 00:57:36,495
Speaker 6: about six or seven one and one hundred year flood

1023
00:57:36,495 --> 00:57:39,975
Speaker 6: event so far. So obviously heavy rainfall is going to

1024
00:57:40,015 --> 00:57:42,055
Speaker 6: be part of our future. So what do we do

1025
00:57:42,175 --> 00:57:44,895
Speaker 6: to mitigate that as well? Lots to talk about oh,

1026
00:57:44,935 --> 00:57:46,815
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1027
00:57:47,295 --> 00:57:49,295
Speaker 6: Someone sets through and said, I think the government's talking

1028
00:57:49,335 --> 00:57:51,735
Speaker 6: seventy square meters, not sixty. I think you might be right.

1029
00:57:52,255 --> 00:57:57,215
Speaker 6: It's not like it's not in legislation right now. Feedback

1030
00:57:57,255 --> 00:57:59,455
Speaker 6: that I've had all conversations that I've had partly with

1031
00:57:59,535 --> 00:58:03,775
Speaker 6: government and government departments, is that some of let's say

1032
00:58:03,775 --> 00:58:06,735
Speaker 6: the coalition partners, wanted to go up to hundred twenty

1033
00:58:07,015 --> 00:58:11,055
Speaker 6: square meters without necessarily requiring a building consent. I think

1034
00:58:11,095 --> 00:58:15,015
Speaker 6: they'll probably settle on about seventy, might be sixty. We'll

1035
00:58:15,135 --> 00:58:17,575
Speaker 6: soon find out when it actually becomes legislation. Let's get

1036
00:58:17,615 --> 00:58:20,895
Speaker 6: into the calls. Lovely to have you company this Easter Sunday, Kathy,

1037
00:58:20,975 --> 00:58:24,055
Speaker 6: good morning, Hi, good morning.

1038
00:58:24,415 --> 00:58:25,855
Speaker 8: I just have a question.

1039
00:58:25,975 --> 00:58:29,935
Speaker 21: I've held my house. All new windows put right through

1040
00:58:29,975 --> 00:58:32,895
Speaker 21: my house, double based windows. I've got an old wooden home. Yes,

1041
00:58:33,215 --> 00:58:36,215
Speaker 21: so I've got woodens, I've got the insects now. We've

1042
00:58:36,295 --> 00:58:38,815
Speaker 21: painted the window sells on the inside and around the

1043
00:58:38,815 --> 00:58:39,615
Speaker 21: window frames.

1044
00:58:39,735 --> 00:58:39,855
Speaker 14: Yes.

1045
00:58:40,055 --> 00:58:42,535
Speaker 21: And all the rooms except the kitchen one we did

1046
00:58:42,695 --> 00:58:48,615
Speaker 21: with oil based paint. Now on the window sill where

1047
00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:51,455
Speaker 21: the windows attacked, there's a bonding. We've painted over that

1048
00:58:51,575 --> 00:58:54,615
Speaker 21: with the oil based paint. Now it's very sticky. So

1049
00:58:54,775 --> 00:58:58,855
Speaker 21: I just wondered if what we can do to take

1050
00:58:58,895 --> 00:59:00,415
Speaker 21: the stickiness away now do we?

1051
00:59:01,055 --> 00:59:01,415
Speaker 12: I don't know.

1052
00:59:04,135 --> 00:59:06,495
Speaker 21: It's only on the bonding, which is what probably less

1053
00:59:06,615 --> 00:59:08,055
Speaker 21: than a centimeter really is.

1054
00:59:08,935 --> 00:59:11,255
Speaker 6: It'd only be a millimeter or so thick, isn't it?

1055
00:59:13,015 --> 00:59:13,375
Speaker 20: Little bit?

1056
00:59:13,575 --> 00:59:14,415
Speaker 22: Just a little strip?

1057
00:59:14,775 --> 00:59:16,615
Speaker 20: Yeah, because I went to.

1058
00:59:16,655 --> 00:59:20,455
Speaker 6: Look at a similar situation a little while ago, but

1059
00:59:20,495 --> 00:59:24,095
Speaker 6: I think it's similar, and so just correct me if

1060
00:59:24,175 --> 00:59:27,335
Speaker 6: I'm wrong with this. But what I think happens is,

1061
00:59:27,535 --> 00:59:31,935
Speaker 6: so you've got your existing timber sashes, the rebate was

1062
00:59:32,055 --> 00:59:36,335
Speaker 6: deepened to allow for the double glazing, right, so they

1063
00:59:36,415 --> 00:59:40,415
Speaker 6: make the rebate deeper, and then that should have been primed,

1064
00:59:40,615 --> 00:59:43,855
Speaker 6: it should have been sealed the beer timber, yes, yes,

1065
00:59:44,455 --> 00:59:48,095
Speaker 6: And then when the double glazing unit itself is installed.

1066
00:59:48,255 --> 00:59:53,175
Speaker 6: Often they'll put like a basically like a foam tape

1067
00:59:53,335 --> 00:59:56,775
Speaker 6: around the inside of that rebate and set the double

1068
00:59:56,815 --> 01:00:00,655
Speaker 6: glazing unit into it, right, and then put the double

1069
01:00:00,695 --> 01:00:04,255
Speaker 6: glazing unit in. Then another bead, another strip of foam

1070
01:00:04,295 --> 01:00:06,615
Speaker 6: around the outside, and then the timber bead that holds

1071
01:00:06,695 --> 01:00:09,455
Speaker 6: the double glazing unit in place, because we don't typically

1072
01:00:09,575 --> 01:00:15,095
Speaker 6: putty double glazed units into place. Now, that foam is

1073
01:00:15,135 --> 01:00:18,615
Speaker 6: obviously porous, and what I went to have a look

1074
01:00:18,655 --> 01:00:21,855
Speaker 6: at some time ago was where the painter had painted

1075
01:00:22,095 --> 01:00:26,335
Speaker 6: onto the foam, but because the foam acts like a sponge,

1076
01:00:26,855 --> 01:00:30,815
Speaker 6: it had sucked the paint in and you could see it, right,

1077
01:00:31,335 --> 01:00:34,615
Speaker 6: and then there's kind of no way to get rid

1078
01:00:34,655 --> 01:00:37,375
Speaker 6: of that because it's sucked into the foam which is

1079
01:00:37,415 --> 01:00:40,095
Speaker 6: acting like a sponge, and then it bled through onto

1080
01:00:40,135 --> 01:00:46,615
Speaker 6: the glass. I wonder whether in your situation, ideally you

1081
01:00:46,975 --> 01:00:51,615
Speaker 6: would have masked the foam and only painted onto the timber.

1082
01:00:53,015 --> 01:00:55,975
Speaker 21: Okay, the stuff that I saw in them put on

1083
01:00:57,615 --> 01:01:00,175
Speaker 21: it looks like I'll say, it looks like no more gaps.

1084
01:01:00,215 --> 01:01:01,255
Speaker 21: But it's not no more gaps.

1085
01:01:01,335 --> 01:01:02,375
Speaker 23: It's in a tube like that.

1086
01:01:02,775 --> 01:01:06,735
Speaker 6: Oh okay, So they beaded it on with Okay. Now

1087
01:01:07,495 --> 01:01:10,135
Speaker 6: that's another way of doing it, and probably the more

1088
01:01:10,175 --> 01:01:12,495
Speaker 6: common way. So what you do is you've you've cleaned

1089
01:01:12,495 --> 01:01:15,815
Speaker 6: out the rebate, you've primed it. That's really important. Then

1090
01:01:15,855 --> 01:01:19,015
Speaker 6: they put in a bead of glazing silicon and then

1091
01:01:19,255 --> 01:01:22,215
Speaker 6: push the glass into that and that holds the seals

1092
01:01:22,255 --> 01:01:26,415
Speaker 6: in the ear gaps and so on. Typically those sorts

1093
01:01:26,415 --> 01:01:29,775
Speaker 6: of sealants are not designed to be painted, right, So

1094
01:01:30,015 --> 01:01:32,855
Speaker 6: some silicons you can paint, or some sealants you can paint.

1095
01:01:33,175 --> 01:01:35,855
Speaker 6: Others you can't. And when you do try and paint them,

1096
01:01:36,335 --> 01:01:39,255
Speaker 6: it looks like the paint is actually being pushed away.

1097
01:01:39,415 --> 01:01:43,655
Speaker 6: It tends to break up and separate, and so it

1098
01:01:43,695 --> 01:01:45,935
Speaker 6: won't dry effectively on there and may.

1099
01:01:47,815 --> 01:01:50,135
Speaker 21: Yeah, all the other windows we've painted.

1100
01:01:49,855 --> 01:01:53,375
Speaker 22: With acrylic water bay, yeah, yeah, water.

1101
01:01:53,295 --> 01:01:55,735
Speaker 21: Based in them. Yeah, it's just the kitchen one we

1102
01:01:55,855 --> 01:01:57,975
Speaker 21: did with the oil base, and we did an undercoat

1103
01:01:58,015 --> 01:01:59,975
Speaker 21: and everything, but there's no way to get ready to

1104
01:02:00,135 --> 01:02:02,215
Speaker 21: read the red of the stickiness, was there?

1105
01:02:04,695 --> 01:02:07,735
Speaker 6: I guess there's two. There'd be two things that I do.

1106
01:02:07,895 --> 01:02:09,935
Speaker 6: One is to go back to the installer and just

1107
01:02:10,055 --> 01:02:12,015
Speaker 6: explain what it is that you've done, and they might

1108
01:02:12,095 --> 01:02:16,535
Speaker 6: have encountered it. There might be like a silicon solvent

1109
01:02:16,815 --> 01:02:19,415
Speaker 6: that you can use to remove the paint work, right,

1110
01:02:20,655 --> 01:02:23,335
Speaker 6: and like a it might be a turp space, it

1111
01:02:23,415 --> 01:02:25,815
Speaker 6: might be a nice apropyl alcohol might be another very

1112
01:02:25,855 --> 01:02:28,975
Speaker 6: specific product that you could use to clean the paint

1113
01:02:29,095 --> 01:02:34,375
Speaker 6: off that silicon surface. If that's more trouble than it's worth.

1114
01:02:34,455 --> 01:02:37,855
Speaker 6: Then maybe they could come back, take the double glazing out,

1115
01:02:38,015 --> 01:02:40,735
Speaker 6: peel the silicon out, redo the silicon, put it back

1116
01:02:40,735 --> 01:02:43,255
Speaker 6: in again. But I think that'll be at your expense.

1117
01:02:44,455 --> 01:02:47,975
Speaker 21: Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah yeah. I just wondered about

1118
01:02:48,335 --> 01:02:51,815
Speaker 21: just you think some turps on a little bit of

1119
01:02:51,895 --> 01:02:52,735
Speaker 21: cottonball budg.

1120
01:02:54,575 --> 01:02:58,495
Speaker 6: Certainly the turps won't won't affect the glass obviously, and

1121
01:02:58,615 --> 01:03:03,655
Speaker 6: it might just dissolve that. The other thing, you could

1122
01:03:03,735 --> 01:03:05,775
Speaker 6: wring the paint supplier and just go, hey, look, this

1123
01:03:05,855 --> 01:03:07,935
Speaker 6: is the problem that I've got. Is there something that

1124
01:03:08,055 --> 01:03:11,095
Speaker 6: I can use, a particular solvent that I could use

1125
01:03:11,175 --> 01:03:13,735
Speaker 6: for that? So, you know, I don't think it's the

1126
01:03:13,815 --> 01:03:17,455
Speaker 6: end of the world, but I understand the frustration. And

1127
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:21,335
Speaker 6: often with the foam, it's on the outside that this

1128
01:03:21,535 --> 01:03:23,615
Speaker 6: is what happens a lot. So there's the foam and

1129
01:03:23,695 --> 01:03:26,015
Speaker 6: then the timber bead that holds in the double glazing

1130
01:03:26,055 --> 01:03:29,855
Speaker 6: in it, and if you like, typically, if it's a

1131
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:34,135
Speaker 6: standard single glazed puttied window, what you always should do

1132
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:37,895
Speaker 6: is paint onto the glass with the double glazing. That's

1133
01:03:38,015 --> 01:03:40,055
Speaker 6: no longer true. You don't want to be trying to

1134
01:03:40,135 --> 01:03:43,935
Speaker 6: paint that flexible foam on the outside.

1135
01:03:46,935 --> 01:03:51,415
Speaker 21: The glass isn't visible onto the windowsill because he's about

1136
01:03:51,575 --> 01:03:55,495
Speaker 21: I don't know, a couple of centimeters of aluminium. Ah, okay,

1137
01:03:56,775 --> 01:03:58,415
Speaker 21: and the glasses a set in the frame.

1138
01:03:58,735 --> 01:04:01,455
Speaker 6: Then right, but it's a timber sash, it's not an

1139
01:04:01,495 --> 01:04:02,375
Speaker 6: aluminium frame.

1140
01:04:02,735 --> 01:04:07,815
Speaker 21: Okay, it's a timber slash with a little aluminium strip

1141
01:04:07,895 --> 01:04:10,135
Speaker 21: on it. And then the glass of seep into the

1142
01:04:10,375 --> 01:04:12,015
Speaker 21: or the windows deepens through that.

1143
01:04:12,415 --> 01:04:15,975
Speaker 6: Oh so yeah, it's unusual and it's.

1144
01:04:15,935 --> 01:04:18,455
Speaker 21: Like the water then you know how if you get

1145
01:04:18,495 --> 01:04:21,135
Speaker 21: conversation that drips, I know you shouldn't have double glazing,

1146
01:04:21,215 --> 01:04:22,975
Speaker 21: but is it sort of water thing that drips?

1147
01:04:23,015 --> 01:04:23,855
Speaker 4: Then yeah?

1148
01:04:24,295 --> 01:04:27,335
Speaker 21: But yeah, well i'll just see what solves that we

1149
01:04:27,495 --> 01:04:28,335
Speaker 21: can get then.

1150
01:04:28,295 --> 01:04:31,855
Speaker 6: And go from the Yeah, have a go, but make

1151
01:04:31,895 --> 01:04:33,855
Speaker 6: a few phone calls beforehand, I think, just to make

1152
01:04:33,895 --> 01:04:36,495
Speaker 6: sure that you're not an adversion to you doing something. Yeah, incorrect,

1153
01:04:36,855 --> 01:04:39,535
Speaker 6: Good luck and thanks for calling. Really appreciate and I'm

1154
01:04:39,695 --> 01:04:41,855
Speaker 6: actually I've made a note to ask a couple of

1155
01:04:41,895 --> 01:04:44,655
Speaker 6: people about solutions for that too, so I'll see if

1156
01:04:44,655 --> 01:04:46,935
Speaker 6: I can get an answer as well. Nice to talk

1157
01:04:46,975 --> 01:04:49,895
Speaker 6: with you very much, take care all of this. Then

1158
01:04:50,975 --> 01:04:53,655
Speaker 6: someone's text me and said, Hey, Pete, it's Easter Day,

1159
01:04:53,775 --> 01:04:56,135
Speaker 6: not Easter Sunday. I either day of Easter. Calling it

1160
01:04:56,215 --> 01:04:58,655
Speaker 6: Easter Sunday reduces it to the same status as an

1161
01:04:58,655 --> 01:05:04,255
Speaker 6: Easter said Day or Easter Monday Easterday. Okay, I've always

1162
01:05:04,255 --> 01:05:06,095
Speaker 6: called it Easter Sunday, but I hear what you're saying. Oh,

1163
01:05:06,295 --> 01:05:08,175
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty ten eighties, and I'm going to

1164
01:05:08,215 --> 01:05:09,735
Speaker 6: call Steven good morning.

1165
01:05:10,375 --> 01:05:11,575
Speaker 24: Oh, good morning, Pete.

1166
01:05:11,775 --> 01:05:12,015
Speaker 11: Morning.

1167
01:05:12,095 --> 01:05:13,695
Speaker 6: Indeed, thank you.

1168
01:05:14,095 --> 01:05:17,535
Speaker 24: I just want to know. I'm wanting to put an

1169
01:05:17,655 --> 01:05:23,175
Speaker 24: exterior door into a downstairs bedroom. It's a cedar house,

1170
01:05:23,895 --> 01:05:27,335
Speaker 24: and I only have two exits on the top level

1171
01:05:27,695 --> 01:05:31,055
Speaker 24: and there's no exterior exit on the bottom level, which

1172
01:05:31,575 --> 01:05:34,775
Speaker 24: just has two bedrooms. And I want to know if

1173
01:05:34,975 --> 01:05:38,815
Speaker 24: I need to get a building consent to cut an

1174
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:41,375
Speaker 24: exterior door into that bottom bedroom.

1175
01:05:42,735 --> 01:05:44,855
Speaker 6: Are you going to do it where there's an existing

1176
01:05:44,935 --> 01:05:47,455
Speaker 6: window or are you creating a new opening?

1177
01:05:48,375 --> 01:05:52,535
Speaker 24: No, it's going to be beside the existing window, which

1178
01:05:52,655 --> 01:05:54,535
Speaker 24: is a metal framed window.

1179
01:05:55,375 --> 01:05:57,055
Speaker 6: Yes, it does require a building consent.

1180
01:05:58,015 --> 01:05:58,375
Speaker 11: Okay.

1181
01:05:58,695 --> 01:06:00,855
Speaker 24: If I was just to put it where the window

1182
01:06:01,015 --> 01:06:03,935
Speaker 24: is and turn that into a siding door, then I

1183
01:06:04,055 --> 01:06:05,375
Speaker 24: wouldn't Is that what you're.

1184
01:06:05,255 --> 01:06:10,495
Speaker 6: Saying that's exactly correct with one proviso. So if you

1185
01:06:10,575 --> 01:06:14,215
Speaker 6: imagine you've got an existing window opening and you remove

1186
01:06:14,295 --> 01:06:17,935
Speaker 6: the cladding, remove the framing below it, but you don't

1187
01:06:18,175 --> 01:06:21,775
Speaker 6: change the size of the window opening, you could. Yeah,

1188
01:06:21,895 --> 01:06:24,455
Speaker 6: it's so it's all about the span of the lintel,

1189
01:06:24,575 --> 01:06:26,655
Speaker 6: the beam that holds up everything above it, and given

1190
01:06:26,695 --> 01:06:29,375
Speaker 6: that you're in a two story house, that beam's really important, right.

1191
01:06:30,655 --> 01:06:35,175
Speaker 6: So that's that's a primary part of the concern. The

1192
01:06:35,255 --> 01:06:37,615
Speaker 6: other part, the second part is we're the tightness, but

1193
01:06:37,695 --> 01:06:39,535
Speaker 6: you've already got a window there, right, So there's a

1194
01:06:39,615 --> 01:06:43,255
Speaker 6: detail for how that's flashed, whether it's a facing and

1195
01:06:43,375 --> 01:06:47,055
Speaker 6: a scriber or whatever the cladding is. So whoever does

1196
01:06:47,135 --> 01:06:49,815
Speaker 6: the work just copies what's already there and extends it

1197
01:06:49,935 --> 01:06:52,415
Speaker 6: down and that will deal with weather tightness around the

1198
01:06:53,055 --> 01:06:56,895
Speaker 6: exterior of the joinery. So if it's an existing opening

1199
01:06:57,135 --> 01:06:59,975
Speaker 6: and you're converting from a window to a door without

1200
01:07:00,095 --> 01:07:02,615
Speaker 6: expanding the size of the lintel, you can do that

1201
01:07:02,775 --> 01:07:04,215
Speaker 6: under Schedule one of the Building Act.

1202
01:07:05,615 --> 01:07:09,655
Speaker 24: Right. Well, I won't be doing that. I had considered that,

1203
01:07:10,095 --> 01:07:15,735
Speaker 24: but I want to make an exterior wooden door into

1204
01:07:15,815 --> 01:07:19,335
Speaker 24: the wall beside the window, and I also want to

1205
01:07:19,655 --> 01:07:25,015
Speaker 24: put a metal screen door over it as well, so

1206
01:07:25,215 --> 01:07:30,535
Speaker 24: that when I open this open the wooden door inside

1207
01:07:30,575 --> 01:07:33,335
Speaker 24: the house, which is going to be the exterior door,

1208
01:07:33,775 --> 01:07:36,175
Speaker 24: then I can still have a screen door which I

1209
01:07:36,255 --> 01:07:39,855
Speaker 24: can lock from the inside just to allow earflow and

1210
01:07:39,935 --> 01:07:42,615
Speaker 24: no insects to come in. So that's all right to

1211
01:07:42,695 --> 01:07:43,535
Speaker 24: do that as well.

1212
01:07:44,735 --> 01:07:46,855
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can do whatever you want in terms of

1213
01:07:46,935 --> 01:07:48,655
Speaker 6: the type of door that you're going to put in.

1214
01:07:48,935 --> 01:07:52,655
Speaker 6: But the fact that you're creating a new opening, which

1215
01:07:52,735 --> 01:07:55,055
Speaker 6: will mean that you'll need to someone will need to

1216
01:07:55,095 --> 01:07:57,335
Speaker 6: put in a lintel. Someone will need to say what

1217
01:07:57,575 --> 01:08:01,095
Speaker 6: size that lintel is going to be. Potentially they might

1218
01:08:01,175 --> 01:08:04,015
Speaker 6: look at bracing elements because given that it's the bottom floor,

1219
01:08:04,215 --> 01:08:08,055
Speaker 6: so I without a door in it was providing some bracing.

1220
01:08:09,455 --> 01:08:12,175
Speaker 6: You'll need to accommodate that. And then the other consideration

1221
01:08:12,615 --> 01:08:15,415
Speaker 6: is where the tightness, so how it's flashed and detailed

1222
01:08:15,495 --> 01:08:17,855
Speaker 6: on the exterior. But yeah, should answers you need a

1223
01:08:17,855 --> 01:08:18,495
Speaker 6: building consent?

1224
01:08:19,255 --> 01:08:21,935
Speaker 24: Great, thanks so much to my pleasure.

1225
01:08:22,575 --> 01:08:24,775
Speaker 6: Take care of the Then oh eight one hundred and

1226
01:08:24,815 --> 01:08:26,735
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty the number to call. Did a little

1227
01:08:26,775 --> 01:08:31,455
Speaker 6: waterproofing job, a little Yes, it was this week. So

1228
01:08:31,615 --> 01:08:34,535
Speaker 6: did the Actually someone takes through because I talked about

1229
01:08:34,535 --> 01:08:37,295
Speaker 6: this job that I've been doing, which is doing the decking,

1230
01:08:37,415 --> 01:08:40,655
Speaker 6: replacing decking, and then I talked about filling it and

1231
01:08:40,775 --> 01:08:43,175
Speaker 6: priming it and spot priming it and first coding it

1232
01:08:43,255 --> 01:08:45,695
Speaker 6: and top coating it, and someone said you should never

1233
01:08:45,775 --> 01:08:49,615
Speaker 6: paint decking. I should always stain it. Okay, what I

1234
01:08:49,855 --> 01:08:53,135
Speaker 6: perhaps neglected to say is it's tongue and groove timber, right,

1235
01:08:53,295 --> 01:08:56,535
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a villa with a villa style

1236
01:08:56,695 --> 01:09:00,575
Speaker 6: veranda on it where the decking boards which were li

1237
01:09:00,655 --> 01:09:06,735
Speaker 6: soop treatment which is rubbish and failed, and so I've

1238
01:09:06,735 --> 01:09:09,135
Speaker 6: had to prop the verandah pull up all of the

1239
01:09:09,215 --> 01:09:10,975
Speaker 6: decking because I didn't want to just cud all the

1240
01:09:11,015 --> 01:09:12,775
Speaker 6: rotten bits out and have an ugly join. So I've

1241
01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:15,135
Speaker 6: just pulled up all of the decking replaced it all

1242
01:09:15,215 --> 01:09:19,135
Speaker 6: with new H three point two treated tongue in groove,

1243
01:09:19,215 --> 01:09:22,775
Speaker 6: so one fifty or X one twenty five tongue and groove,

1244
01:09:23,935 --> 01:09:26,295
Speaker 6: which I have painted because that's what you do. You

1245
01:09:26,335 --> 01:09:28,455
Speaker 6: don't stay in those sorts of decks. So that's why

1246
01:09:28,455 --> 01:09:31,335
Speaker 6: I'm painting it, just to be clear. Oh eight hundred

1247
01:09:31,335 --> 01:09:33,975
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Maria.

1248
01:09:34,215 --> 01:09:37,135
Speaker 6: Good morning, Oh, good morning, Peter.

1249
01:09:37,695 --> 01:09:40,135
Speaker 14: Hey, I said good morning.

1250
01:09:39,935 --> 01:09:43,295
Speaker 6: Peter, and good morning to you Maria. Happy Easter.

1251
01:09:45,415 --> 01:09:47,695
Speaker 25: I was going to say, I was going to say

1252
01:09:47,735 --> 01:09:50,255
Speaker 25: happy Easter too, but I was just thinking what you

1253
01:09:50,295 --> 01:09:52,495
Speaker 25: were saying before about the Easter Day and Easter Sunday.

1254
01:09:52,775 --> 01:09:55,135
Speaker 25: I've heard my grandkids call it Easter Day, and I

1255
01:09:55,215 --> 01:09:57,375
Speaker 25: think it's Easter Sunday. It's Easter Day?

1256
01:09:57,935 --> 01:10:00,135
Speaker 6: Is it Easter Day? I keep saying Easter Sunday.

1257
01:10:01,295 --> 01:10:03,055
Speaker 25: I've always said that, but they say it's East Today.

1258
01:10:04,455 --> 01:10:07,015
Speaker 6: I'm going to look that up because the in a

1259
01:10:07,175 --> 01:10:10,415
Speaker 6: pedant pennant comes out at these moments and I feel

1260
01:10:10,455 --> 01:10:13,095
Speaker 6: that I need to get to the bottom of this. Anyway,

1261
01:10:13,135 --> 01:10:16,695
Speaker 6: that's not what we're talking about. We are talking about. Well, actually,

1262
01:10:16,855 --> 01:10:18,575
Speaker 6: would you like to talk about gone, tell us.

1263
01:10:18,535 --> 01:10:23,455
Speaker 25: What's internal gass flattish roof houset. You know it's only

1264
01:10:23,535 --> 01:10:26,215
Speaker 25: got about a ten mill four on it? Yes, well

1265
01:10:26,295 --> 01:10:28,055
Speaker 25: those horrible internal gusters.

1266
01:10:28,575 --> 01:10:32,295
Speaker 6: Now describe to me exactly what you mean by internal gutters,

1267
01:10:32,295 --> 01:10:36,255
Speaker 6: because sometimes we use the language and it's not actually

1268
01:10:36,295 --> 01:10:42,855
Speaker 6: an internal gutter. Okay, So describe, describe to me the

1269
01:10:43,575 --> 01:10:46,575
Speaker 6: So you've got a relatively flat pitched roof and then

1270
01:10:46,975 --> 01:10:49,295
Speaker 6: the internal gutter. Is that like in the middle of

1271
01:10:49,375 --> 01:10:52,655
Speaker 6: the building, or is what you're describing one of those

1272
01:10:52,975 --> 01:10:57,775
Speaker 6: concealed spouting facier type systems where you've got a metal

1273
01:10:57,895 --> 01:11:00,335
Speaker 6: facia that runs around the perimeter of the building and

1274
01:11:00,455 --> 01:11:02,935
Speaker 6: then the spouting is tucked in behind that.

1275
01:11:05,295 --> 01:11:10,775
Speaker 25: Yeah, basically gets it's that okay, which again mittle guttering.

1276
01:11:10,815 --> 01:11:13,055
Speaker 25: And it's only on two sides of the house, yes,

1277
01:11:14,055 --> 01:11:15,655
Speaker 25: and it's only got two down pipes.

1278
01:11:16,015 --> 01:11:16,215
Speaker 6: Yep.

1279
01:11:18,095 --> 01:11:19,895
Speaker 25: So seventies house. Does that sound right to you?

1280
01:11:20,335 --> 01:11:20,535
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1281
01:11:20,575 --> 01:11:20,935
Speaker 4: It does.

1282
01:11:21,175 --> 01:11:25,175
Speaker 6: And again I was up on this roof on Tuesday,

1283
01:11:25,215 --> 01:11:27,495
Speaker 6: I think it was knowing that the weather was going

1284
01:11:27,535 --> 01:11:30,295
Speaker 6: to pack in, trying to get some waterproofing done, and

1285
01:11:30,335 --> 01:11:32,175
Speaker 6: then I was looking around at the spouting and this

1286
01:11:32,375 --> 01:11:36,575
Speaker 6: is a basically a sort of sixty square meter roof,

1287
01:11:36,695 --> 01:11:38,655
Speaker 6: and it had one down pipe on one side and

1288
01:11:38,735 --> 01:11:41,615
Speaker 6: one down pipe on the other. And I'm thinking, in fact, no,

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01:11:41,735 --> 01:11:43,575
Speaker 6: the entire roof would be about one hundred and twenty

1290
01:11:43,615 --> 01:11:47,535
Speaker 6: square meters and two down pipes. That's not anywhere. And

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01:11:47,655 --> 01:11:51,255
Speaker 6: this is a nineteen sixties building, right, so it's unrealistic

1292
01:11:51,335 --> 01:11:53,135
Speaker 6: to think that the water is going to run the

1293
01:11:53,255 --> 01:11:57,255
Speaker 6: better part of twenty five meters to find a little

1294
01:11:57,295 --> 01:11:59,135
Speaker 6: lady mill down pipe on the other side. So I'm

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01:11:59,135 --> 01:12:00,815
Speaker 6: going to have to sort something out there as well.

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01:12:01,975 --> 01:12:06,055
Speaker 6: And I if what's happening with yours is that in

1297
01:12:06,535 --> 01:12:08,255
Speaker 6: does it leak all of the time or only in

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01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:08,815
Speaker 6: heavy rain?

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01:12:09,975 --> 01:12:12,735
Speaker 25: Heavy rain? But it leaked really badly set.

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01:12:12,535 --> 01:12:16,135
Speaker 6: It last night and when you what did you see?

1301
01:12:18,135 --> 01:12:19,215
Speaker 6: What does the leak look like?

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01:12:20,615 --> 01:12:23,895
Speaker 25: It's got tenants. This place that was pouring, it was pouring.

1303
01:12:24,135 --> 01:12:29,495
Speaker 25: It was pouring down the corner bedroom, which is pouring

1304
01:12:29,575 --> 01:12:32,655
Speaker 25: down into on the edge of the window. And the

1305
01:12:33,015 --> 01:12:35,135
Speaker 25: other side that was really bad was the master bedroom.

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01:12:35,175 --> 01:12:36,775
Speaker 25: It was all in the wardrobe. It was just pouring

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01:12:36,855 --> 01:12:40,135
Speaker 25: down the wall. Yeah, and it was in the middle

1308
01:12:40,135 --> 01:12:43,375
Speaker 25: of the house by the kitchen. They couldn't see where

1309
01:12:43,375 --> 01:12:45,495
Speaker 25: it came from, but I know that happened once before.

1310
01:12:45,735 --> 01:12:48,095
Speaker 25: And the roofing person that looked at it said, the

1311
01:12:48,175 --> 01:12:50,455
Speaker 25: water's gone right and from the guttering under the roof

1312
01:12:50,495 --> 01:12:51,175
Speaker 25: and just come down.

1313
01:12:52,415 --> 01:12:54,895
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, water can do that.

1314
01:12:57,375 --> 01:12:57,815
Speaker 8: To fix that.

1315
01:12:58,415 --> 01:13:07,295
Speaker 6: Okay, you might have to spend some money, right, let's

1316
01:13:07,335 --> 01:13:11,135
Speaker 6: get that part out of the way first, right. The

1317
01:13:11,335 --> 01:13:15,895
Speaker 6: challenge with what I would call concealed spouting behind metal facier,

1318
01:13:16,015 --> 01:13:18,695
Speaker 6: and there's a couple of different systems. The most common

1319
01:13:18,775 --> 01:13:22,575
Speaker 6: one back in the day was Class so k Lass.

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01:13:22,655 --> 01:13:24,855
Speaker 6: If you look that up online you'll see a picture

1321
01:13:24,935 --> 01:13:29,775
Speaker 6: or a description of it. And it was a nifty idea.

1322
01:13:30,215 --> 01:13:32,855
Speaker 6: So instead of having a bit of facia and then

1323
01:13:32,935 --> 01:13:35,975
Speaker 6: some spouting hanging out board, we'd put on metal facia.

1324
01:13:36,095 --> 01:13:39,615
Speaker 6: Wo'd tuck the spouting the actual gutter part on the inside,

1325
01:13:40,095 --> 01:13:43,415
Speaker 6: and then from the outside it's a clean, slick appearance.

1326
01:13:43,535 --> 01:13:46,815
Speaker 6: Right now, Some of those systems worked okay. The majority

1327
01:13:46,855 --> 01:13:50,095
Speaker 6: of them might have worked okay for a period of time,

1328
01:13:50,375 --> 01:13:52,255
Speaker 6: but what I know about almost all of them is

1329
01:13:52,335 --> 01:13:57,615
Speaker 6: that eventually they'll leak right, partly because they're laid with

1330
01:13:57,895 --> 01:14:02,695
Speaker 6: very little fall. Also, the back upstand is less than

1331
01:14:02,735 --> 01:14:05,615
Speaker 6: the front upstand, so when they get overwhelmed, they tend

1332
01:14:05,655 --> 01:14:08,935
Speaker 6: to overflow over the back. And then, because they're often

1333
01:14:09,415 --> 01:14:13,775
Speaker 6: with a five A cement safit, the water overflows over

1334
01:14:13,815 --> 01:14:16,575
Speaker 6: the back of the internal spouting lands on the safe

1335
01:14:16,975 --> 01:14:20,815
Speaker 6: and the safite is often put in place before the clatting,

1336
01:14:21,135 --> 01:14:24,775
Speaker 6: so it's over and above and behind the clatding and

1337
01:14:25,055 --> 01:14:27,855
Speaker 6: it just funnels the water straight into the building. That's

1338
01:14:28,015 --> 01:14:30,975
Speaker 6: typically what happens. So the other day when I was

1339
01:14:31,055 --> 01:14:33,695
Speaker 6: down at the Home and Garden show, I got talking

1340
01:14:33,735 --> 01:14:37,935
Speaker 6: to some guys from Continuous Group who are do spouting,

1341
01:14:38,175 --> 01:14:42,895
Speaker 6: but they also have a system where they'll come pull

1342
01:14:42,975 --> 01:14:46,415
Speaker 6: that off, install a new facia, extend the roofing out

1343
01:14:46,815 --> 01:14:50,975
Speaker 6: with a flashing if required, and do external facia. I

1344
01:14:51,095 --> 01:14:56,495
Speaker 6: know that Custom Spouting and Facia also have a proprietary

1345
01:14:56,575 --> 01:14:59,495
Speaker 6: system that they've developed. So those two companies in particular

1346
01:15:00,655 --> 01:15:02,975
Speaker 6: are very familiar with the problem and they've come up

1347
01:15:03,015 --> 01:15:07,615
Speaker 6: with a solution, which is great. I think trying to

1348
01:15:07,655 --> 01:15:11,015
Speaker 6: repair it is really difficult, time consuming and probably won't

1349
01:15:11,055 --> 01:15:13,015
Speaker 6: give you a good result. So if it was me,

1350
01:15:13,815 --> 01:15:15,775
Speaker 6: and if you could find the money, I would just

1351
01:15:15,855 --> 01:15:19,415
Speaker 6: get someone in to rip it all off, redo a

1352
01:15:19,575 --> 01:15:24,215
Speaker 6: more conventional facire with an outboard spouting or guttering and

1353
01:15:25,335 --> 01:15:27,375
Speaker 6: do that in the first instance. If you need to

1354
01:15:27,455 --> 01:15:30,495
Speaker 6: upgrade the number of downpipes, that would be wise. But

1355
01:15:30,655 --> 01:15:33,255
Speaker 6: of course if you're going to increase the number of downpipes,

1356
01:15:33,255 --> 01:15:36,135
Speaker 6: you're going to have to change your store water connections

1357
01:15:36,255 --> 01:15:39,335
Speaker 6: to accommodate that, which might mean what would mean getting

1358
01:15:39,335 --> 01:15:43,815
Speaker 6: a drain layer in, excavating, adding new pipes, those sorts

1359
01:15:43,815 --> 01:15:47,255
Speaker 6: of things. Maybe that's too much work. But certainly ripping

1360
01:15:47,295 --> 01:15:50,935
Speaker 6: off the existing facia and the concealed gutter, that's what

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01:15:51,015 --> 01:15:51,415
Speaker 6: I would do.

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01:15:53,455 --> 01:15:56,255
Speaker 25: I've thought about that. I've thought about that quite often.

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01:15:56,335 --> 01:15:57,935
Speaker 25: I just don't know what it would cost. You would

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01:15:57,935 --> 01:15:58,775
Speaker 25: you have any ideas?

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01:15:58,895 --> 01:16:02,095
Speaker 6: Look, I tell you what. I didn't think it was unreasonable.

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01:16:02,175 --> 01:16:05,455
Speaker 6: And I did a sort of pre purchase house inspection

1367
01:16:05,615 --> 01:16:07,655
Speaker 6: for a family ment a little while ago, and it

1368
01:16:07,775 --> 01:16:11,575
Speaker 6: was a reasonably big houses, big concrete tile roof in

1369
01:16:11,735 --> 01:16:16,015
Speaker 6: classic nineteen seventies, right two story bricon tile roof, concrete roof,

1370
01:16:16,295 --> 01:16:21,335
Speaker 6: concealed spouting, and I sent, actually I went to custom

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01:16:21,695 --> 01:16:23,975
Speaker 6: Facia to do this, and they had a look on

1372
01:16:24,055 --> 01:16:26,415
Speaker 6: the GIS so they can measure the building just using

1373
01:16:26,495 --> 01:16:29,375
Speaker 6: satellite imagery, and came back with an estimate. And I

1374
01:16:29,455 --> 01:16:32,335
Speaker 6: didn't think it was unreasonable. I think it was. I

1375
01:16:32,375 --> 01:16:34,055
Speaker 6: could look it up for me emails, but you know,

1376
01:16:34,175 --> 01:16:36,415
Speaker 6: it was like in the ten fifteen thousand dollar bracket,

1377
01:16:36,935 --> 01:16:40,455
Speaker 6: which I thought was quite reasonable. And this was a

1378
01:16:40,615 --> 01:16:42,175
Speaker 6: big building and quite high up.

1379
01:16:43,375 --> 01:16:46,455
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, two story. I'm just trying to visualize it,

1380
01:16:46,575 --> 01:16:48,815
Speaker 25: because the whole facure would have to be changed, the

1381
01:16:48,855 --> 01:16:50,335
Speaker 25: whole house would Yeah.

1382
01:16:50,295 --> 01:16:53,055
Speaker 6: And to be fair, like a couple of years ago, again,

1383
01:16:53,135 --> 01:16:55,335
Speaker 6: I looked at a property on behalf of someone who

1384
01:16:55,415 --> 01:16:57,855
Speaker 6: was interested in buying it, and it had that concealed

1385
01:16:58,255 --> 01:17:01,575
Speaker 6: spouting system on it. And at that time what I

1386
01:17:01,775 --> 01:17:03,695
Speaker 6: was thinking is, right, I've got to pull all that off.

1387
01:17:03,815 --> 01:17:05,695
Speaker 6: I've got a nog it all out. I've got to

1388
01:17:05,775 --> 01:17:08,975
Speaker 6: hang a timber facer on there and get someone into

1389
01:17:09,015 --> 01:17:12,255
Speaker 6: do spouting. That's a lot of work. Whereas, because the

1390
01:17:12,335 --> 01:17:16,455
Speaker 6: problem is quite common, these those two particular companies and

1391
01:17:16,455 --> 01:17:20,855
Speaker 6: there might be others, have come up with essentially their

1392
01:17:20,895 --> 01:17:23,935
Speaker 6: own they've developed a system that allows them to tackle that.

1393
01:17:24,215 --> 01:17:27,495
Speaker 6: And because they've got a system, it's efficient, and efficiency

1394
01:17:27,735 --> 01:17:29,215
Speaker 6: generally helps keep costs down.

1395
01:17:31,055 --> 01:17:37,015
Speaker 25: Oh that's fantastic. Yeah, sorry, can I just that's right down?

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01:17:37,055 --> 01:17:38,575
Speaker 25: The names I missed. I missed it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So have a look at continuous group, continuous continuous

1398
01:17:43,655 --> 01:17:51,215
Speaker 6: group do it and also custom facia and spouting. Okay,

1399
01:17:52,575 --> 01:17:55,975
Speaker 6: so yeah, quick google search, we'll find both of those.

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01:17:56,055 --> 01:17:58,655
Speaker 6: No trouble at all, No, this has happened.

1401
01:17:58,975 --> 01:18:02,055
Speaker 25: A couple of times before, but only once is bad.

1402
01:18:02,135 --> 01:18:03,575
Speaker 25: And that's when I want to sell the place. I

1403
01:18:03,735 --> 01:18:04,895
Speaker 25: just think, oh, I can't kate with this.

1404
01:18:05,815 --> 01:18:06,055
Speaker 4: Look.

1405
01:18:06,295 --> 01:18:09,535
Speaker 6: I tell you what it's not. It's it used to

1406
01:18:09,615 --> 01:18:14,095
Speaker 6: be a really big fix. Now it's a big ish fix,

1407
01:18:14,295 --> 01:18:17,255
Speaker 6: but nowhere near as challenging as it used to be

1408
01:18:17,375 --> 01:18:20,575
Speaker 6: because like the like I say, these two particular companies,

1409
01:18:20,615 --> 01:18:24,735
Speaker 6: they've come up with essentially their own system to address that.

1410
01:18:24,935 --> 01:18:28,615
Speaker 6: And it's it's neat and tidy and yeah, so it's

1411
01:18:28,695 --> 01:18:31,815
Speaker 6: either continuous dot code dot enz or facia and spouting

1412
01:18:31,895 --> 01:18:34,215
Speaker 6: dot codet en z. Yeah.

1413
01:18:34,335 --> 01:18:37,815
Speaker 25: Wells and there might be yeah, and I need to

1414
01:18:38,055 --> 01:18:40,735
Speaker 25: know because I'm mucking around trying to sort it.

1415
01:18:41,455 --> 01:18:44,375
Speaker 6: Look, and the really hard thing, because I've I've tried

1416
01:18:44,415 --> 01:18:46,695
Speaker 6: to repair a couple as well. There's not a lot

1417
01:18:46,735 --> 01:18:49,535
Speaker 6: of space to work. And if you try and go, okay,

1418
01:18:49,535 --> 01:18:51,735
Speaker 6: I'm going to take that internal gutter out and replace

1419
01:18:51,775 --> 01:18:54,135
Speaker 6: it with a new piece, it's really hard to find it.

1420
01:18:54,295 --> 01:18:56,735
Speaker 6: It's really hard to get it in. Often it's laid

1421
01:18:56,855 --> 01:19:00,015
Speaker 6: with minimal fall, so typically there's you know, it doesn't

1422
01:19:00,055 --> 01:19:03,135
Speaker 6: take much for them to become unundated. Inundated, and then

1423
01:19:03,175 --> 01:19:05,695
Speaker 6: when they do, if it's got a sefit, it runs

1424
01:19:05,695 --> 01:19:09,855
Speaker 6: straight back to the building. So if you can get

1425
01:19:09,895 --> 01:19:13,175
Speaker 6: some prices, get it done and sleep well at night.

1426
01:19:16,095 --> 01:19:18,015
Speaker 6: I mean she yeah, I know it's frustrating.

1427
01:19:18,095 --> 01:19:21,775
Speaker 25: A yeah, well she thinks her mother's treasures that were

1428
01:19:21,775 --> 01:19:22,815
Speaker 25: in the wardrobe, Oh.

1429
01:19:23,815 --> 01:19:28,415
Speaker 6: Franky, yeah, yeah, look good, get it sorted. Good luck

1430
01:19:28,455 --> 01:19:30,975
Speaker 6: with that, Maria. You take care, thank you very alrighty,

1431
01:19:31,095 --> 01:19:34,015
Speaker 6: all the very best. In fact, yesterday morning, just by

1432
01:19:34,015 --> 01:19:36,135
Speaker 6: the bye, we caught up with some friends for coffee

1433
01:19:36,175 --> 01:19:40,655
Speaker 6: in the morning and he happens to be a property manager,

1434
01:19:40,895 --> 01:19:45,495
Speaker 6: like for rental properties, and so very flippantly off the

1435
01:19:45,535 --> 01:19:47,855
Speaker 6: cuff when we were having coffee, I said, you know,

1436
01:19:47,975 --> 01:19:49,815
Speaker 6: you must lie awake at night on a night like

1437
01:19:49,895 --> 01:19:52,855
Speaker 6: we've just had with thunderstorms and rain and wind and

1438
01:19:53,015 --> 01:19:55,335
Speaker 6: lightning and all the rest of it, just waiting for

1439
01:19:55,375 --> 01:19:57,255
Speaker 6: the phone to ring. And he went, hey, look, fingers

1440
01:19:57,295 --> 01:20:00,335
Speaker 6: crossed right now, I haven't had a single call. And

1441
01:20:02,055 --> 01:20:05,415
Speaker 6: at about four o'clock in the afternoon, same gentleman rings

1442
01:20:05,495 --> 01:20:08,855
Speaker 6: me and goes, hey, just wondering if you could come

1443
01:20:08,935 --> 01:20:11,815
Speaker 6: and give me a hand. You got some time, and

1444
01:20:12,095 --> 01:20:14,335
Speaker 6: we went round to a property that thankfully wasn't far

1445
01:20:14,455 --> 01:20:17,095
Speaker 6: from my place. Two windows that had blown out in

1446
01:20:17,215 --> 01:20:19,935
Speaker 6: the storm, and so I had to put a bit

1447
01:20:19,975 --> 01:20:22,815
Speaker 6: of ply on the roof and cut some ply sheets

1448
01:20:23,975 --> 01:20:27,775
Speaker 6: rescue one sash from the roof, and one remarkably timber

1449
01:20:27,895 --> 01:20:31,335
Speaker 6: sash had blown out of the window, slid down the roof,

1450
01:20:31,655 --> 01:20:35,615
Speaker 6: fallen into the garden and was still intact. I mean

1451
01:20:35,655 --> 01:20:38,335
Speaker 6: it had ripped where the hinges were, but the glass

1452
01:20:38,415 --> 01:20:42,255
Speaker 6: was still intact. So how that happened, I have no idea. Anyway,

1453
01:20:42,335 --> 01:20:44,855
Speaker 6: that was my little job in the afternoon, So I

1454
01:20:44,895 --> 01:20:47,735
Speaker 6: probably shouldn't have mentioned what I mentioned when we first

1455
01:20:47,735 --> 01:20:50,575
Speaker 6: sat down for coffee, right heo seven thirty three. Remember

1456
01:20:50,615 --> 01:20:53,015
Speaker 6: we've got red climb pasted at eight point thirty and

1457
01:20:54,135 --> 01:20:58,975
Speaker 6: after the break talk about insurance. So some months ago

1458
01:20:59,175 --> 01:21:01,335
Speaker 6: and every and then we talk about insurance on the

1459
01:21:01,375 --> 01:21:04,095
Speaker 6: program in terms of renovations. You know, if you're a

1460
01:21:04,175 --> 01:21:06,975
Speaker 6: homeowner and you're going to do some work, when do

1461
01:21:07,015 --> 01:21:10,975
Speaker 6: you need to inform your insurance company? What types can

1462
01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:13,615
Speaker 6: you extend your existing policy? Do you need to take

1463
01:21:13,655 --> 01:21:16,975
Speaker 6: out a specific policy for your for the work that

1464
01:21:17,055 --> 01:21:20,815
Speaker 6: you're doing. What happens when the project is finished? Et cetera,

1465
01:21:20,855 --> 01:21:24,615
Speaker 6: et cetera. So we're going to have a discussion with

1466
01:21:25,175 --> 01:21:29,775
Speaker 6: a representative from NZIDI who's one of their specialists in

1467
01:21:29,935 --> 01:21:33,015
Speaker 6: this area after eight o'clock. So are really looking forward

1468
01:21:33,015 --> 01:21:35,015
Speaker 6: to that as well. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1469
01:21:35,135 --> 01:21:38,015
Speaker 6: eighty then number to call in Fact News Talk.

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01:21:37,935 --> 01:21:40,575
Speaker 4: Said the extra, but for the little it's worth.

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01:21:41,055 --> 01:21:43,615
Speaker 26: My best guess, and it is just that a guess

1472
01:21:44,415 --> 01:21:46,855
Speaker 26: is that none of these tariffs are set in stone.

1473
01:21:46,935 --> 01:21:50,415
Speaker 26: Countries are going to try and plicate him. Companies in

1474
01:21:50,495 --> 01:21:53,535
Speaker 26: the US are going to try and negotiate their own

1475
01:21:53,655 --> 01:21:56,935
Speaker 26: little carve outs. If you're a company that relies on

1476
01:21:57,095 --> 01:22:01,135
Speaker 26: bringing in some mineral from China and you need that

1477
01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:04,455
Speaker 26: to develop your industry, you're going to go and knock

1478
01:22:04,535 --> 01:22:07,255
Speaker 26: on the door a Pennsylvania abba you and asked Donald

1479
01:22:07,255 --> 01:22:09,135
Speaker 26: Trump for a little bit of special treatment.

1480
01:22:09,215 --> 01:22:10,415
Speaker 6: And Donald Trump is.

1481
01:22:10,455 --> 01:22:16,255
Speaker 26: Going to absolutely love picking favorites. That being said, has

1482
01:22:16,335 --> 01:22:20,695
Speaker 26: approach well, lurch all over the place, defined only by

1483
01:22:21,255 --> 01:22:25,695
Speaker 26: spur of the moment, whims and incoherent. Regardless of what happens,

1484
01:22:26,135 --> 01:22:30,215
Speaker 26: Trump will claim success, his supporters will agree, and the

1485
01:22:30,295 --> 01:22:34,135
Speaker 26: global order looks that much more unstable.

1486
01:22:34,495 --> 01:22:38,655
Speaker 1: That was a News talk zedby Extra ending up the house,

1487
01:22:38,895 --> 01:22:41,855
Speaker 1: storning the garden, asked Pete for a hand. The resident

1488
01:22:41,895 --> 01:22:46,335
Speaker 1: builder with Peter wilfcap call News Talk ZBB.

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01:22:46,815 --> 01:22:49,055
Speaker 6: So to the person, this is my independent coming out.

1490
01:22:49,135 --> 01:22:51,815
Speaker 6: The person that texts through going it's not East to Sunday,

1491
01:22:51,815 --> 01:22:55,975
Speaker 6: it's Easter Day. I'm not sure you're right. And I'm

1492
01:22:55,975 --> 01:22:58,015
Speaker 6: saying that because Chris is text to say good morning

1493
01:22:58,255 --> 01:22:59,735
Speaker 6: or good night. Pete, what's not good night?

1494
01:22:59,815 --> 01:23:00,295
Speaker 4: It's morning.

1495
01:23:00,575 --> 01:23:02,695
Speaker 6: Hey. I'm enjoying the show, which is obviously a building show,

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Speaker 6: but I can't believe that people are calling today Easter Day.

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Speaker 6: It's officially East to Sunday in the Roman Catholic calendar tradition.

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Speaker 6: I grew up in New Zealand the sixties and seventies

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Speaker 6: with the Catholic education, Easter Sunday is definitely what it

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Speaker 6: is regards from Chris. I went through my Catholic education

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01:23:18,375 --> 01:23:21,535
Speaker 6: in the seventies and eighties and that's probably why I

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01:23:21,815 --> 01:23:24,175
Speaker 6: still call it Easter Sunday. So I'm going to stick

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Speaker 6: with Easter Sunday at this point in time until I

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01:23:27,815 --> 01:23:30,735
Speaker 6: see any reason to change, and to be fair, even

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01:23:30,775 --> 01:23:32,735
Speaker 6: if I did have reason to change, it probably wouldn't

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01:23:32,775 --> 01:23:34,815
Speaker 6: so Easter Sunday, it is for me. Oh eight hundred

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01:23:34,815 --> 01:23:37,935
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty the number to call Andrew, good morning,

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01:23:39,495 --> 01:23:45,775
Speaker 6: good morning, greetings. I'm very well in yourself, I'm okay, good.

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Speaker 12: How can I help.

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Speaker 13: Question about of boundary. So we built their house about

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01:23:53,375 --> 01:23:57,935
Speaker 13: year two thousand in a new subdivision, and we waited

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01:23:58,015 --> 01:24:00,495
Speaker 13: until the neighborhead built their house, and then we built

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01:24:00,495 --> 01:24:04,655
Speaker 13: a fence on the boundary. Yes, and this did contribute

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01:24:04,655 --> 01:24:05,935
Speaker 13: to the things take echid of the money in a

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01:24:05,975 --> 01:24:08,895
Speaker 13: little So he was involved in the building of the sense.

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01:24:09,255 --> 01:24:12,735
Speaker 13: Now I did most of the work, built this fence

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01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:18,935
Speaker 13: on the boundary. So the fence line covers certain boundary pigs.

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01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:22,655
Speaker 13: And where the boundary line changes, where the boundary line

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01:24:22,735 --> 01:24:28,815
Speaker 13: changes direction, the posters replaced basically a boundary pig. So's

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01:24:28,855 --> 01:24:30,815
Speaker 13: being five for twenty five years. But now he's making

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01:24:30,935 --> 01:24:35,775
Speaker 13: noises and saying, oh, you've illegally removed boundary illegally moved

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01:24:35,855 --> 01:24:39,095
Speaker 13: boundary pigs. And if you go to sell on a

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01:24:39,175 --> 01:24:42,935
Speaker 13: thing with the council making the problem for what's the story.

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Speaker 6: Removal of a boundary for peg is actually an offense.

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01:24:49,735 --> 01:24:56,215
Speaker 6: And the surveyor General could intervene and issue some sort

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01:24:56,255 --> 01:24:58,495
Speaker 6: of fine or something like that. As my understand I'm

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01:24:58,495 --> 01:25:00,295
Speaker 6: not sure about the fine, but there is there is

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01:25:00,495 --> 01:25:04,455
Speaker 6: actually a title of Surveyor General, which is a sort

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01:25:04,455 --> 01:25:08,175
Speaker 6: of kind of an honorary title given to someone who's

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01:25:08,295 --> 01:25:13,495
Speaker 6: headed the survey as and so removing a boundary peg

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01:25:13,655 --> 01:25:17,055
Speaker 6: like the white peg in the ground, if it's there, you,

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01:25:18,095 --> 01:25:22,695
Speaker 6: you and I as mere mortals can't remove them. I

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01:25:22,775 --> 01:25:26,055
Speaker 6: guess the formal process would be that you have it

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01:25:26,215 --> 01:25:29,175
Speaker 6: removed by a surveyor. You then put a post in,

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01:25:29,375 --> 01:25:32,695
Speaker 6: and the surveyor comes back and puts a boundary marker

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01:25:33,295 --> 01:25:35,615
Speaker 6: on top of the post or on top of the fence.

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Speaker 6: And I've seen that often they're a little like aluminum

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01:25:38,335 --> 01:25:42,415
Speaker 6: disc probably about three centimeters in diameter, which will often

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01:25:42,495 --> 01:25:46,015
Speaker 6: be placed on a fence to denote the boundary. But

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01:25:46,215 --> 01:25:50,655
Speaker 6: I do believe that removing a boundary peg is actually

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01:25:50,775 --> 01:25:51,335
Speaker 6: an offence.

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Speaker 13: Okay, so suspense is there, and it's a lovely substantial fence. Yes,

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01:26:00,655 --> 01:26:02,055
Speaker 13: what's my move to?

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Speaker 6: I wonder whether you know to satisfy everyone, perhaps what

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01:26:06,015 --> 01:26:09,455
Speaker 6: you do unlikely that you're going to share the costs

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01:26:09,455 --> 01:26:12,575
Speaker 6: with your neighbor, but you know, ring a ring a

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01:26:12,655 --> 01:26:15,775
Speaker 6: surveyor and say, look, this is what's happened. Can you

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01:26:16,255 --> 01:26:20,535
Speaker 6: formalize the position of the boundary by undertaking a survey

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01:26:21,055 --> 01:26:24,375
Speaker 6: and then putting in a boundary marker at the appropriate

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01:26:24,495 --> 01:26:26,695
Speaker 6: place to indicate where the boundary is, given that the

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01:26:26,735 --> 01:26:33,655
Speaker 6: boundary peg has been removed, Okay, that that and you know,

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01:26:33,815 --> 01:26:37,055
Speaker 6: get some quotes on that, because typically these things start

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01:26:37,095 --> 01:26:41,935
Speaker 6: in the hundreds of dollars. But that I think that

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01:26:41,975 --> 01:26:43,095
Speaker 6: would satisfy everyone.

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01:26:45,455 --> 01:26:52,295
Speaker 13: Yeah, the slightest satisfying the neighbor. Okay, I just I

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01:26:52,455 --> 01:26:54,455
Speaker 13: just want to make sure that he has no.

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01:26:58,895 --> 01:27:01,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, well then I think that would be the simplest way. So, okay,

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01:27:01,935 --> 01:27:05,295
Speaker 6: boundary pig has been removed for whatever reason and with

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01:27:05,415 --> 01:27:08,295
Speaker 6: good intent to build the fence. You could formalize that

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01:27:08,455 --> 01:27:12,015
Speaker 6: by asking the surveyor to install a boundary marker, and

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01:27:12,135 --> 01:27:14,335
Speaker 6: then anyone who looks at the property in the future

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01:27:14,415 --> 01:27:16,375
Speaker 6: can go, oh, great, I can see exactly where the

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01:27:16,375 --> 01:27:20,735
Speaker 6: boundary is now. Would I would be surprised if more

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01:27:20,815 --> 01:27:24,215
Speaker 6: than half wouldn't even be that. I don't think it'd

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01:27:24,255 --> 01:27:27,415
Speaker 6: be more than half of the houses properties in the

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01:27:27,455 --> 01:27:31,895
Speaker 6: country have actual boundary pigs and markers in place. It's

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01:27:32,015 --> 01:27:35,855
Speaker 6: not uncommon to find that they've been removed or been

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01:27:35,975 --> 01:27:39,095
Speaker 6: buried or built over or whatever, So it's not an

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01:27:39,215 --> 01:27:41,975
Speaker 6: unusual circumstance to be in. But the sheer fact that

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01:27:42,055 --> 01:27:44,775
Speaker 6: there was one there and now it's not means that

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01:27:44,855 --> 01:27:46,775
Speaker 6: you could you know, you need to address that, and

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01:27:46,975 --> 01:27:48,935
Speaker 6: I would do it by having a boundary marker installed.

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01:27:50,495 --> 01:27:52,255
Speaker 22: Okay, yeah, I hope that happens.

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Speaker 6: All right, yea, all the very best, Take care Andrew,

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01:27:56,255 --> 01:27:58,855
Speaker 6: take care all the this eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:27:59,575 --> 01:28:00,815
Speaker 6: the number call.

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Speaker 11: Text.

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Speaker 6: How easy is it to get a coas to get

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01:28:05,495 --> 01:28:07,535
Speaker 6: of acceptance for a gay carriage that's been adjoined to

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01:28:07,575 --> 01:28:10,855
Speaker 6: a house for over twenty years? I was told after

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01:28:10,975 --> 01:28:13,335
Speaker 6: I was only told after I bought it, and now

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01:28:13,375 --> 01:28:16,335
Speaker 6: I want to sell it? Is it an expensive sign off?

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01:28:16,415 --> 01:28:23,295
Speaker 6: Thanks from K? Yes? I think it is going to

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01:28:23,335 --> 01:28:25,575
Speaker 6: be expensive? Well, expensive is relative?

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01:28:25,695 --> 01:28:25,815
Speaker 4: Right?

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01:28:26,215 --> 01:28:27,655
Speaker 6: Can you do it for five hundred bucks?

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Speaker 4: No?

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01:28:27,935 --> 01:28:30,575
Speaker 6: You can't. Could you do it for five grand? Possibly?

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01:28:31,415 --> 01:28:33,175
Speaker 6: Is it going to cost you ten grand? I wouldn't

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01:28:33,215 --> 01:28:37,535
Speaker 6: be surprised, possibly even a bit more. It depends a

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01:28:37,615 --> 01:28:41,255
Speaker 6: little bit on how much information is already available. So,

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01:28:41,415 --> 01:28:45,535
Speaker 6: for example, did the work get a building consent but

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01:28:45,775 --> 01:28:49,655
Speaker 6: never got signed off? So you've got some original plans

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01:28:49,735 --> 01:28:53,495
Speaker 6: to refer to and permission from council. Was it built

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01:28:53,655 --> 01:28:57,375
Speaker 6: with no building consent and no permission from council? And

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Speaker 6: then how are you going to go about getting that done?

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01:29:00,215 --> 01:29:01,855
Speaker 6: You're going to have to get it surveyed, You're going

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01:29:01,935 --> 01:29:03,975
Speaker 6: to have to get it drawn up, You're going to

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01:29:04,055 --> 01:29:07,735
Speaker 6: have to get it. What it is these days is

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Speaker 6: that counsels have kind of changed their attitude. And I've

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Speaker 6: probably told this story a number of times, but just

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01:29:14,535 --> 01:29:18,175
Speaker 6: by way of explanation, I think for a long time,

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01:29:18,495 --> 01:29:21,095
Speaker 6: for a long time, there were safe and sanitary reports, right,

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01:29:21,135 --> 01:29:24,615
Speaker 6: And this was the sort of thing that somebody either

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01:29:24,735 --> 01:29:26,695
Speaker 6: did some work and then went to sell it and

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01:29:26,855 --> 01:29:28,935
Speaker 6: someone said, oh, but that doesn't look like it's on

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01:29:29,015 --> 01:29:32,935
Speaker 6: the plan. I've added a bathroom, I've extended the kid's bedroom,

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01:29:33,015 --> 01:29:35,335
Speaker 6: that sort of thing, and so counsel would come along

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01:29:35,375 --> 01:29:37,855
Speaker 6: and they'd do a safe and sanitary inspection. Is it safe?

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01:29:38,295 --> 01:29:40,095
Speaker 6: Is it going to fall down? Is it sanitary? I

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01:29:40,575 --> 01:29:43,095
Speaker 6: does the poo go in the right direction? Right? That

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01:29:43,255 --> 01:29:47,255
Speaker 6: was basically it to be blunt, except people were taking

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01:29:47,255 --> 01:29:50,215
Speaker 6: advantage of that. So people who knew better, who knew

1614
01:29:50,255 --> 01:29:53,015
Speaker 6: that you needed to get a building consent or should

1615
01:29:53,055 --> 01:29:55,135
Speaker 6: have known, were going, Look, I'm not going to bother

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01:29:55,215 --> 01:29:56,735
Speaker 6: with a building consent. I'm just going to build it

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01:29:56,775 --> 01:29:58,015
Speaker 6: and then I'm going to ask them to come along

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01:29:58,055 --> 01:30:00,535
Speaker 6: give me one of those safe and sanitaries. And so

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01:30:00,615 --> 01:30:02,695
Speaker 6: I think Council of tweak to that, and so the

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01:30:03,455 --> 01:30:06,935
Speaker 6: burden of proof is back on the owner the property,

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01:30:07,215 --> 01:30:11,215
Speaker 6: and the level of compliance is equivalent now to a

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01:30:11,255 --> 01:30:13,415
Speaker 6: building consent. So if you think I'm not going to

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01:30:13,455 --> 01:30:14,935
Speaker 6: get a building consent, I'll just go and get one

1624
01:30:14,935 --> 01:30:21,535
Speaker 6: of those coas, you're misguided that Council's expectation is that

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01:30:21,695 --> 01:30:26,375
Speaker 6: you need to prove compliance. Typically that you're going to

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01:30:26,415 --> 01:30:29,375
Speaker 6: have to engage a building survey who has a suitable

1627
01:30:29,415 --> 01:30:32,775
Speaker 6: level of qualification to come and they might find that

1628
01:30:32,855 --> 01:30:35,215
Speaker 6: in fact, the building is not compliant and that you're

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01:30:35,255 --> 01:30:38,295
Speaker 6: going to have to do extensive remedial work to bring

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01:30:38,375 --> 01:30:43,015
Speaker 6: it up to the current building code. So hey, by

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01:30:43,055 --> 01:30:46,415
Speaker 6: all means, take the risk, but don't expect it to

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01:30:46,495 --> 01:30:49,255
Speaker 6: be an easy process anymore to get a CoA. As

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01:30:49,335 --> 01:30:51,775
Speaker 6: my opinion, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:30:52,015 --> 01:30:53,975
Speaker 6: that number to call Dave? Good morning to you.

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01:30:55,215 --> 01:31:01,415
Speaker 14: Morning, hey day. I've been looking online and there's this

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01:31:01,775 --> 01:31:06,215
Speaker 14: out to call trade tested and they're advertising portable get

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01:31:06,295 --> 01:31:11,175
Speaker 14: garriages yep, and also flat packed garages and they come

1638
01:31:11,255 --> 01:31:13,895
Speaker 14: and all sort of sizes, from little workshops right up

1639
01:31:13,935 --> 01:31:16,695
Speaker 14: to double bay garages. Is how do I know that

1640
01:31:16,895 --> 01:31:20,135
Speaker 14: these things are compliant to New Zealand standards? Another, which,

1641
01:31:20,135 --> 01:31:21,695
Speaker 14: how do I know I can buy one and put

1642
01:31:21,735 --> 01:31:22,815
Speaker 14: them one up here?

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01:31:25,935 --> 01:31:28,015
Speaker 6: Given that you've mentioned a company's name and I don't

1644
01:31:28,095 --> 01:31:30,255
Speaker 6: know them, and I you know, I don't know what

1645
01:31:30,455 --> 01:31:32,975
Speaker 6: the ins and outs of the individual product, but I

1646
01:31:33,935 --> 01:31:37,415
Speaker 6: this is how I would approach it. If those are

1647
01:31:37,495 --> 01:31:40,735
Speaker 6: the sizes of a building that you could build without

1648
01:31:40,895 --> 01:31:47,775
Speaker 6: necessarily requiring a building consent. Now, even buildings that are

1649
01:31:47,855 --> 01:31:50,855
Speaker 6: built not requiring a building consent still need to be

1650
01:31:50,935 --> 01:31:55,455
Speaker 6: built according to the New Zealand Building Code. But they

1651
01:31:55,535 --> 01:31:58,895
Speaker 6: are a non habitable building, right, So the requirements for

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01:31:59,255 --> 01:32:03,375
Speaker 6: a garage are less than the requirements for a habitable space.

1653
01:32:04,095 --> 01:32:09,455
Speaker 6: So okay, again, doesn't require installation, doesn't require interior linings,

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01:32:10,295 --> 01:32:14,415
Speaker 6: The bracing elements will be slightly different potentially, you know,

1655
01:32:14,495 --> 01:32:18,655
Speaker 6: lots of things will be different. So I guess the

1656
01:32:18,775 --> 01:32:20,855
Speaker 6: first people to ask would be the company that you're

1657
01:32:20,855 --> 01:32:25,255
Speaker 6: thinking about purchasing one from, and I guess they should

1658
01:32:25,375 --> 01:32:28,935
Speaker 6: be able to provide you with a really straightforward sort

1659
01:32:28,935 --> 01:32:33,735
Speaker 6: of explanation that goes, hey, this is the building. This

1660
01:32:33,935 --> 01:32:36,175
Speaker 6: is how it complies in terms of, you know, is

1661
01:32:36,215 --> 01:32:37,895
Speaker 6: it going to stay up, is it going to be

1662
01:32:38,015 --> 01:32:41,255
Speaker 6: reasonably weather tight and so on. But it doesn't necessarily

1663
01:32:41,375 --> 01:32:43,775
Speaker 6: need to be of the standard of a habitable space

1664
01:32:43,895 --> 01:32:44,815
Speaker 6: because it's not one.

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01:32:45,935 --> 01:32:51,415
Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, but any would there be any paperwork that

1666
01:32:51,495 --> 01:32:53,815
Speaker 14: would come with it to say that it's being built

1667
01:32:53,895 --> 01:32:55,975
Speaker 14: to New Zealand standards or.

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01:32:57,615 --> 01:33:01,055
Speaker 6: That's really a question you should ask the provider. I mean,

1669
01:33:01,535 --> 01:33:04,015
Speaker 6: but you know, ideally it would. And again it kind

1670
01:33:04,055 --> 01:33:06,215
Speaker 6: of loops back to a much earlier conversation we had

1671
01:33:06,855 --> 01:33:11,575
Speaker 6: that I wonder whether all of this discussion around effectively

1672
01:33:11,695 --> 01:33:14,495
Speaker 6: small scale buildings granny flats that could be built without

1673
01:33:14,575 --> 01:33:17,775
Speaker 6: necessarily built in having a building consent. I think a

1674
01:33:17,855 --> 01:33:21,855
Speaker 6: quick way to compliance would be to allow existing manufacturers

1675
01:33:21,855 --> 01:33:26,095
Speaker 6: who can prove their quality assurance that they would be

1676
01:33:26,215 --> 01:33:29,575
Speaker 6: the providers of these sorts of buildings right and in

1677
01:33:29,695 --> 01:33:32,815
Speaker 6: the same way that if this company is importing structure,

1678
01:33:33,415 --> 01:33:36,215
Speaker 6: it needs to comply. It needs to comply with things

1679
01:33:36,255 --> 01:33:38,815
Speaker 6: like the Consumer Guarantees Act. So you know if you

1680
01:33:38,935 --> 01:33:40,975
Speaker 6: put it up and you bolt it together with the

1681
01:33:41,095 --> 01:33:43,615
Speaker 6: right number of bolts and the right number of fixings

1682
01:33:43,655 --> 01:33:45,935
Speaker 6: and the right amount of bracing, that it will stay

1683
01:33:46,015 --> 01:33:51,615
Speaker 6: up and perform as it should. So there's multiple parts

1684
01:33:51,655 --> 01:33:54,455
Speaker 6: of legislation. There's obviously the Building Act, but there's also

1685
01:33:54,535 --> 01:33:56,175
Speaker 6: things like the Consumer Guarantees Act.

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01:33:58,895 --> 01:34:03,335
Speaker 14: What size? What's the largest legal size I can buy?

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01:34:05,095 --> 01:34:07,295
Speaker 6: I'm not sure about the largest legal size you can buy,

1688
01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:10,855
Speaker 6: but typically in the right now, under what they call

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01:34:10,935 --> 01:34:13,775
Speaker 6: Shedule one of the Building Act, you can build a

1690
01:34:14,455 --> 01:34:18,055
Speaker 6: car port up to forty square meters. You can do

1691
01:34:18,775 --> 01:34:23,535
Speaker 6: a non habitable space like a workshop, garage, sleepout, etc.

1692
01:34:23,975 --> 01:34:27,735
Speaker 6: Up to thirty square meters. And you can do a

1693
01:34:27,975 --> 01:34:32,455
Speaker 6: shed like as a canopy type or a shed in

1694
01:34:32,495 --> 01:34:35,135
Speaker 6: a farm environment up to one hundred and ten square meters.

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01:34:37,175 --> 01:34:41,415
Speaker 6: All of this is changing quite a lot, so go

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01:34:41,575 --> 01:34:44,735
Speaker 6: back a couple of years. The maximum size for a

1697
01:34:44,775 --> 01:34:48,535
Speaker 6: dwelling like a habitable space as in a sleepout no plumbing,

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01:34:49,495 --> 01:34:52,135
Speaker 6: was ten square meters. That's moved to thirty square meters. Now,

1699
01:34:52,375 --> 01:34:54,135
Speaker 6: all of the talk from the government at the moment

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01:34:54,255 --> 01:34:57,135
Speaker 6: is that's going to shift to seventy square meters, saying

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01:34:57,255 --> 01:35:02,015
Speaker 6: that it overlaps with other local planning regulations. So even

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01:35:02,095 --> 01:35:04,775
Speaker 6: though you could build a garage without necessarily requiring a

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01:35:04,815 --> 01:35:07,855
Speaker 6: building consent, you have to come apply with the planning rules,

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01:35:08,255 --> 01:35:10,295
Speaker 6: and that typically is that the building needs to be

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01:35:10,415 --> 01:35:13,415
Speaker 6: the height of the building away from the boundary. Okay,

1706
01:35:13,615 --> 01:35:15,895
Speaker 6: now you might want to build a meter from the boundary.

1707
01:35:16,255 --> 01:35:18,855
Speaker 6: That's then going to trigger a requirement for a building consent.

1708
01:35:19,295 --> 01:35:22,535
Speaker 6: Building consent would mean that you would need to provide

1709
01:35:22,535 --> 01:35:25,735
Speaker 6: evidence from the supplier that the building is going to

1710
01:35:25,775 --> 01:35:28,175
Speaker 6: comply with the building code. So that would be an

1711
01:35:28,215 --> 01:35:30,895
Speaker 6: interesting way of approaching it with the suppliers to go.

1712
01:35:31,375 --> 01:35:33,415
Speaker 6: My intention is that I'm going to get a building

1713
01:35:33,455 --> 01:35:36,695
Speaker 6: consent for this. Can I submit your plans as part

1714
01:35:36,735 --> 01:35:39,495
Speaker 6: of my building consent and will the building be compliant?

1715
01:35:39,655 --> 01:35:40,975
Speaker 6: Be interesting to see what their answer is.

1716
01:35:41,535 --> 01:35:42,815
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's really good at Angle.

1717
01:35:43,135 --> 01:35:45,655
Speaker 6: Thanks a lot, Pete, my pleasure, lovely talking with you

1718
01:35:45,935 --> 01:35:49,855
Speaker 6: all the best. Take care by Remember after the break

1719
01:35:49,895 --> 01:35:52,095
Speaker 6: we're talking insurance, but we'll take your calls right up

1720
01:35:52,135 --> 01:35:53,815
Speaker 6: to New Sport and weather top of the are on

1721
01:35:54,015 --> 01:36:00,815
Speaker 6: this Easter Sunday. Ah, I'm just intrigued about the terminology.

1722
01:36:00,975 --> 01:36:03,775
Speaker 6: Here we go, Pete. Easter Day is a tradition in

1723
01:36:03,815 --> 01:36:06,575
Speaker 6: the Anglican Church. I used to change the boards church

1724
01:36:06,615 --> 01:36:10,175
Speaker 6: each week. When I changed to Catholicism. That's when I

1725
01:36:10,295 --> 01:36:13,455
Speaker 6: noticed that they used as in they as inn we

1726
01:36:13,775 --> 01:36:17,255
Speaker 6: and me, I'm a Catholic, changed it to Catholicism. That's

1727
01:36:17,295 --> 01:36:20,015
Speaker 6: what I know. They used East Sunday, different terminology between

1728
01:36:20,055 --> 01:36:21,895
Speaker 6: the two churches. But of course it's the same day.

1729
01:36:22,055 --> 01:36:24,095
Speaker 6: It depends on which side of the fence one is on.

1730
01:36:24,535 --> 01:36:25,375
Speaker 6: Thank you, Kiriama.

1731
01:36:25,455 --> 01:36:25,855
Speaker 4: That's great.

1732
01:36:25,935 --> 01:36:29,855
Speaker 6: Oh that explains why I say Easter Sunday not Easter Day.

1733
01:36:30,295 --> 01:36:32,575
Speaker 6: Oh wait, there you go. I've learned something today. Oh

1734
01:36:32,615 --> 01:36:34,375
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

1735
01:36:34,415 --> 01:36:36,375
Speaker 6: call ready a very good morning to you.

1736
01:36:37,415 --> 01:36:38,255
Speaker 27: Ah, hi, good morning.

1737
01:36:38,295 --> 01:36:40,055
Speaker 6: How are you morning? I'm very well in yourself?

1738
01:36:40,495 --> 01:36:41,655
Speaker 15: Yes, yeah, thank you.

1739
01:36:42,055 --> 01:36:42,215
Speaker 11: Hey.

1740
01:36:42,855 --> 01:36:44,575
Speaker 27: Just to have a quarry, you know there is an

1741
01:36:44,615 --> 01:36:48,935
Speaker 27: existing building, yes, under and there there are like a

1742
01:36:49,015 --> 01:36:52,375
Speaker 27: lot of wooden windows. Yes, so there are some of

1743
01:36:52,495 --> 01:36:55,415
Speaker 27: them like a ratten and filing golf and just my

1744
01:36:55,535 --> 01:36:59,455
Speaker 27: infantion is like just to replace them with the aluminum windows.

1745
01:36:59,895 --> 01:37:03,215
Speaker 27: So to do that, do we need a building content I.

1746
01:37:03,255 --> 01:37:06,055
Speaker 6: Don't believe that you do so, as long as you

1747
01:37:06,175 --> 01:37:09,375
Speaker 6: don't change the size of the window in terms of

1748
01:37:09,415 --> 01:37:12,255
Speaker 6: the width of it in particular, like you could if

1749
01:37:12,295 --> 01:37:16,175
Speaker 6: you wanted to lower the sill and make the window

1750
01:37:16,215 --> 01:37:19,655
Speaker 6: effectively taller, but you can't change the lintel, so you

1751
01:37:19,775 --> 01:37:23,895
Speaker 6: can't change the width of it. You still need to

1752
01:37:24,295 --> 01:37:30,855
Speaker 6: install the new joinery as per the building code, so

1753
01:37:31,015 --> 01:37:33,975
Speaker 6: you might need to add some tape around the perimeter.

1754
01:37:34,215 --> 01:37:38,055
Speaker 6: You might need to install a WANs bar if you're

1755
01:37:38,055 --> 01:37:42,015
Speaker 6: doing aluminium jewry. If you use uPVC joinery, you don't

1756
01:37:42,055 --> 01:37:44,615
Speaker 6: need to use a wands bar in some instances, certainly

1757
01:37:44,655 --> 01:37:47,895
Speaker 6: not with the stark windows. So there's a couple of alternatives,

1758
01:37:47,975 --> 01:37:51,135
Speaker 6: but in general you can do that work under Schedule

1759
01:37:51,175 --> 01:37:51,655
Speaker 6: one of the Act.

1760
01:37:52,775 --> 01:37:56,735
Speaker 27: Okay, And this appla same for residential as well as

1761
01:37:56,775 --> 01:37:57,615
Speaker 27: commercial as well.

1762
01:38:00,655 --> 01:38:04,455
Speaker 6: I can't really speak for commercial because that's not my

1763
01:38:04,615 --> 01:38:07,015
Speaker 6: area of expertise, but you know, for example, if it

1764
01:38:07,135 --> 01:38:10,655
Speaker 6: was a multi story building, you've got different issues in

1765
01:38:10,775 --> 01:38:13,735
Speaker 6: terms of wind loading and weather tightness and so on,

1766
01:38:13,855 --> 01:38:18,415
Speaker 6: So i'd seek specific advice. But on a residential building, AH,

1767
01:38:18,975 --> 01:38:22,295
Speaker 6: confident that you can replace timber four aluminium undershared your

1768
01:38:22,335 --> 01:38:22,815
Speaker 6: one of the act.

1769
01:38:24,055 --> 01:38:28,535
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, all right, yeah, thank you so much to best.

1770
01:38:28,055 --> 01:38:30,295
Speaker 6: Take care, Thank you very much, thank you. Oh eight

1771
01:38:30,415 --> 01:38:32,215
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty. We've still got time for a

1772
01:38:32,255 --> 01:38:35,455
Speaker 6: couple more calls, so the lines are open. The number

1773
01:38:35,655 --> 01:38:38,575
Speaker 6: is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Texts are great as well,

1774
01:38:39,175 --> 01:38:44,335
Speaker 6: um concealed spouting. We overcame the issue by cutting one

1775
01:38:44,415 --> 01:38:46,775
Speaker 6: hundred point fifty hole through the facire at the height

1776
01:38:46,815 --> 01:38:49,135
Speaker 6: about one third down of the box gutter. This ax

1777
01:38:49,295 --> 01:38:52,655
Speaker 6: is an overflow and extreme weather, so no more internal leaks.

1778
01:38:52,695 --> 01:38:56,175
Speaker 6: It's a good temporary solution. I wouldn't disagree with you.

1779
01:38:56,295 --> 01:38:59,695
Speaker 6: I mean it's it's it's allowing the water to get

1780
01:38:59,775 --> 01:39:03,015
Speaker 6: out before it gets in basically, so that that's not

1781
01:39:03,135 --> 01:39:07,775
Speaker 6: a bad idea. In fact, tell you what was really interesting?

1782
01:39:07,935 --> 01:39:08,895
Speaker 4: What was to me anyway?

1783
01:39:09,935 --> 01:39:13,175
Speaker 6: The other day I was again it was talking with

1784
01:39:13,295 --> 01:39:16,655
Speaker 6: the spouting guys at one of the home and garden

1785
01:39:16,695 --> 01:39:19,455
Speaker 6: shows that I go to. And it was down a

1786
01:39:19,535 --> 01:39:26,095
Speaker 6: top or actually, and we were chatting about like what

1787
01:39:26,335 --> 01:39:28,815
Speaker 6: happens in heavy rain, and this is something that I

1788
01:39:28,895 --> 01:39:31,935
Speaker 6: think right across the country, we're all going to have

1789
01:39:32,055 --> 01:39:37,655
Speaker 6: to start designing for these these intense bursts of heavy rain.

1790
01:39:37,735 --> 01:39:40,735
Speaker 6: And I think reading through the data, one part of

1791
01:39:40,775 --> 01:39:44,215
Speaker 6: Auckland experienced about one hundred and ten millimeters of rain

1792
01:39:44,295 --> 01:39:46,575
Speaker 6: over a relatively short period. I think over a two

1793
01:39:46,655 --> 01:39:51,455
Speaker 6: hour period. Now, that's going to overwhelm most conventional spouting.

1794
01:39:51,495 --> 01:39:53,735
Speaker 6: And what often happens with spouting is if you look

1795
01:39:53,735 --> 01:39:56,335
Speaker 6: at it through a cross section, the front lip is

1796
01:39:56,975 --> 01:40:00,095
Speaker 6: higher than the back. So if the spouting is overwhelmed

1797
01:40:00,175 --> 01:40:03,135
Speaker 6: and wants to flood, typically the water floods over the

1798
01:40:03,255 --> 01:40:07,135
Speaker 6: back and in some cases can drain ou because if

1799
01:40:07,175 --> 01:40:09,255
Speaker 6: you do, depending on what type of clips and what

1800
01:40:09,375 --> 01:40:11,535
Speaker 6: type of spouting, you've always got a little bit of

1801
01:40:11,575 --> 01:40:15,135
Speaker 6: a gap between the back of the spouting and the faciboard.

1802
01:40:15,175 --> 01:40:18,655
Speaker 6: This is for conventional sort of spouting. And the discussion

1803
01:40:18,655 --> 01:40:22,015
Speaker 6: I was having was that I think the council in

1804
01:40:22,255 --> 01:40:26,095
Speaker 6: Rotor UH are insisting that you put a twelve mill

1805
01:40:26,295 --> 01:40:32,055
Speaker 6: packer behind the spouting to give a drainage gap, which

1806
01:40:33,215 --> 01:40:36,375
Speaker 6: is interesting. I sort of never really thought about it.

1807
01:40:36,415 --> 01:40:37,375
Speaker 6: When you do think about it.

1808
01:40:37,415 --> 01:40:37,575
Speaker 2: You go.

1809
01:40:37,655 --> 01:40:40,775
Speaker 6: Actually, that's kind of sensible that it allows an easy

1810
01:40:40,895 --> 01:40:44,175
Speaker 6: passage for water when the spouting is overwhelmed. When the

1811
01:40:44,535 --> 01:40:46,855
Speaker 6: number of downpipes, even if the number of downpipes is

1812
01:40:46,935 --> 01:40:49,815
Speaker 6: correct according to the building code, etc. Is still going

1813
01:40:49,855 --> 01:40:52,175
Speaker 6: to get overwhelmed. Or maybe there's a blockage in the

1814
01:40:52,215 --> 01:40:54,615
Speaker 6: storm wat line that's backed up through the downpipe and

1815
01:40:54,735 --> 01:40:57,935
Speaker 6: therefore the water can't get away that In those instances,

1816
01:40:58,095 --> 01:41:00,415
Speaker 6: rather than having to force its way through a relatively

1817
01:41:00,535 --> 01:41:03,415
Speaker 6: narrow gap, you provide a twelve mil gap like you

1818
01:41:03,535 --> 01:41:07,415
Speaker 6: do for fixings against exis cladding. If you're doing a

1819
01:41:07,455 --> 01:41:09,975
Speaker 6: boundary joist or something like that, or ribbon plate, you

1820
01:41:10,015 --> 01:41:11,935
Speaker 6: need to pank it off the wall. Do exactly the

1821
01:41:11,975 --> 01:41:13,975
Speaker 6: same thing with the spouting, and it'll allow the water

1822
01:41:14,175 --> 01:41:17,535
Speaker 6: just to drain straight out there. Interesting. Oh, one hundred

1823
01:41:17,535 --> 01:41:19,655
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty. Let's get back to the calls, Trevor,

1824
01:41:19,735 --> 01:41:21,375
Speaker 6: A very good morning to you.

1825
01:41:22,415 --> 01:41:24,655
Speaker 11: Why don't you just get hold of mister Marley and

1826
01:41:24,775 --> 01:41:27,095
Speaker 11: ask them to build the to make the back of

1827
01:41:27,135 --> 01:41:29,615
Speaker 11: the spouting a lot taller than the front of the spouting.

1828
01:41:30,775 --> 01:41:33,575
Speaker 6: Yes, now that came up with the discussion as well,

1829
01:41:33,655 --> 01:41:37,055
Speaker 6: and I have seen there's an importer of a sort

1830
01:41:37,095 --> 01:41:41,175
Speaker 6: of European brand of spouting that's come in where the

1831
01:41:41,775 --> 01:41:44,415
Speaker 6: back is much higher than the front, or know, a

1832
01:41:44,455 --> 01:41:48,015
Speaker 6: little bit higher than the front twenty millimeters or thereabouts.

1833
01:41:48,775 --> 01:41:51,855
Speaker 6: The issue I think why we have typically had the

1834
01:41:51,975 --> 01:41:54,215
Speaker 6: profile of spouting that we have is we want to

1835
01:41:54,335 --> 01:41:57,215
Speaker 6: cover the end of the sheets, and because we typically

1836
01:41:57,375 --> 01:41:59,975
Speaker 6: don't have as steep a roofs as they do in Europe.

1837
01:42:00,455 --> 01:42:02,495
Speaker 6: Most of the time, if you didn't have a tall

1838
01:42:02,575 --> 01:42:05,015
Speaker 6: upstand on the front of the spouting, you'd see the

1839
01:42:05,135 --> 01:42:10,095
Speaker 6: profile of the roof from ground level. I think that's

1840
01:42:10,135 --> 01:42:10,735
Speaker 6: what it's about.

1841
01:42:12,015 --> 01:42:12,495
Speaker 11: Anyway, that.

1842
01:42:14,455 --> 01:42:16,935
Speaker 6: We can head in all sorts of different directions. Talk

1843
01:42:16,975 --> 01:42:17,855
Speaker 6: to me about boundaries.

1844
01:42:18,575 --> 01:42:23,015
Speaker 11: Boundaries. We live in a rural property and after the

1845
01:42:23,095 --> 01:42:26,615
Speaker 11: Anniversary Day floods, we had a visit from the nice

1846
01:42:26,695 --> 01:42:34,735
Speaker 11: little man from e QC who showed me the satellite boundaries.

1847
01:42:35,615 --> 01:42:39,335
Speaker 11: Now there is not one on this property that is accurate.

1848
01:42:40,015 --> 01:42:45,175
Speaker 11: I have gained a fejo ahead, which is good, and

1849
01:42:45,335 --> 01:42:49,295
Speaker 11: I've lost a line of gum trees which are interfering

1850
01:42:49,375 --> 01:42:52,775
Speaker 11: with the power lines, which is also good. But none

1851
01:42:52,775 --> 01:42:55,975
Speaker 11: of the boundaries are with any well. I know we're

1852
01:42:56,015 --> 01:42:58,735
Speaker 11: one boundary pegg is but then of course recycling up

1853
01:42:58,775 --> 01:43:01,095
Speaker 11: where the other ones are. But certainly going on the

1854
01:43:01,175 --> 01:43:04,055
Speaker 11: fence lines which I assume we're under the boundaries. None

1855
01:43:04,055 --> 01:43:07,015
Speaker 11: of them were within Koui and the other. And my

1856
01:43:07,215 --> 01:43:11,175
Speaker 11: son who was doing alterations on a place in Balmoral

1857
01:43:12,015 --> 01:43:14,855
Speaker 11: in case that was the house was built in nineteen

1858
01:43:14,895 --> 01:43:18,055
Speaker 11: oh eight, it would have been surveyed a long time ago,

1859
01:43:19,335 --> 01:43:22,295
Speaker 11: miles out and he went to do the alteration. So

1860
01:43:22,815 --> 01:43:25,735
Speaker 11: for this guy who's put got his boundary peg and

1861
01:43:26,255 --> 01:43:28,335
Speaker 11: if he was to get the satellite one, and he

1862
01:43:28,415 --> 01:43:29,895
Speaker 11: said it was you know, I don't know when it

1863
01:43:30,015 --> 01:43:31,575
Speaker 11: was survey at that place, but if he had to

1864
01:43:31,615 --> 01:43:34,215
Speaker 11: get the satellite one, he may find that the fence

1865
01:43:34,335 --> 01:43:37,095
Speaker 11: is actually not in the right spot. Anyway, I know,

1866
01:43:37,175 --> 01:43:38,975
Speaker 11: which which one do you go to? Do you go

1867
01:43:40,095 --> 01:43:42,015
Speaker 11: old the oddllite one or do you go to the

1868
01:43:42,575 --> 01:43:44,015
Speaker 11: or do you go to the satellite survey.

1869
01:43:44,975 --> 01:43:47,615
Speaker 6: When you say satellite are you talking about cadastral survey.

1870
01:43:48,615 --> 01:43:50,455
Speaker 11: Yeah, well the ones that the one that the e

1871
01:43:50,575 --> 01:43:56,455
Speaker 11: QC guys had actually gave all the boundaries as what

1872
01:43:57,095 --> 01:43:59,655
Speaker 11: you know, what they have accept as the boundaries. But

1873
01:43:59,815 --> 01:44:02,655
Speaker 11: that is nowhere near where the boundaries are situated on

1874
01:44:02,735 --> 01:44:03,335
Speaker 11: this property.

1875
01:44:04,495 --> 01:44:11,215
Speaker 6: Yes, I guess I'd look at it this way that

1876
01:44:11,335 --> 01:44:14,855
Speaker 6: I think we're kind of in between two technologies. Right.

1877
01:44:15,015 --> 01:44:18,855
Speaker 6: So for all of the time up to quite recently,

1878
01:44:19,415 --> 01:44:21,535
Speaker 6: as long as we've been selling land and surveying it,

1879
01:44:21,975 --> 01:44:26,575
Speaker 6: we've typically had individual surveyors updating individual plans right with

1880
01:44:26,695 --> 01:44:32,255
Speaker 6: their local authority, Whereas as I understand it, today surveyors

1881
01:44:32,335 --> 01:44:36,375
Speaker 6: are able to upload their data into a combined system

1882
01:44:36,535 --> 01:44:40,815
Speaker 6: and it's that cadastral survey right, So the accuracy of

1883
01:44:41,215 --> 01:44:45,735
Speaker 6: all of the surveys is increasing because each individual survey

1884
01:44:46,055 --> 01:44:49,615
Speaker 6: result gets added to a big picture. But it only

1885
01:44:49,655 --> 01:44:55,455
Speaker 6: happens when a survey is undertaken. So like I know

1886
01:44:55,575 --> 01:45:00,335
Speaker 6: of properties where they are sold subject to parcel, so

1887
01:45:00,535 --> 01:45:02,815
Speaker 6: fee simple subject to parcel, which is a way of

1888
01:45:02,895 --> 01:45:05,735
Speaker 6: saying we don't actually know how much land we're selling

1889
01:45:05,815 --> 01:45:07,855
Speaker 6: you or you're buying.

1890
01:45:08,015 --> 01:45:09,815
Speaker 11: Not quite common in rural area.

1891
01:45:09,935 --> 01:45:12,335
Speaker 6: And it's quite common in older areas. So your son

1892
01:45:12,375 --> 01:45:14,975
Speaker 6: who's working in Balmore, if it's a nineteen oh eight house,

1893
01:45:15,415 --> 01:45:18,855
Speaker 6: it's not that it hasn't been well, possibly it's never

1894
01:45:18,935 --> 01:45:22,935
Speaker 6: been surveyed. Or what you get as a save ay okay,

1895
01:45:23,295 --> 01:45:26,655
Speaker 6: which is to be fair a little. I'm familiar with

1896
01:45:26,735 --> 01:45:30,295
Speaker 6: a property where four houses in a row only know

1897
01:45:30,495 --> 01:45:34,695
Speaker 6: what their overall perimeter boundary is. The boundary in between

1898
01:45:34,775 --> 01:45:41,095
Speaker 6: each of those houses is undetermined, and that's not uncommon.

1899
01:45:41,495 --> 01:45:44,455
Speaker 6: So I guess you know, if one of those particular

1900
01:45:44,495 --> 01:45:48,055
Speaker 6: properties was to undertake a building, you know, some extensions

1901
01:45:48,175 --> 01:45:52,535
Speaker 6: and needed to determine heightened to relation to boundary, how

1902
01:45:52,655 --> 01:45:55,255
Speaker 6: heightened relation to boundary, they would probably have to then

1903
01:45:55,375 --> 01:45:58,455
Speaker 6: go and get a survey done and then it would

1904
01:45:58,535 --> 01:46:00,695
Speaker 6: determine the boundary. But right now I know for a

1905
01:46:00,735 --> 01:46:03,455
Speaker 6: fact the boundary is just not determined. So but I

1906
01:46:03,535 --> 01:46:06,615
Speaker 6: think over time, as obviously we moved to a didal

1907
01:46:07,215 --> 01:46:09,855
Speaker 6: platform for all of the surveys, the amount of data

1908
01:46:09,895 --> 01:46:15,735
Speaker 6: will increase dramatically and the accuracy will increase dramatically, whether

1909
01:46:15,815 --> 01:46:18,295
Speaker 6: or not I when you say satellite, I don't know

1910
01:46:18,375 --> 01:46:21,215
Speaker 6: that I'd work off a satellite image, because that might.

1911
01:46:21,135 --> 01:46:22,695
Speaker 11: Be I assumed it was satellite.

1912
01:46:24,295 --> 01:46:26,855
Speaker 6: It might be the cadastral system.

1913
01:46:26,255 --> 01:46:29,415
Speaker 11: You see Manhattan his hand when he came down, and

1914
01:46:29,495 --> 01:46:31,975
Speaker 11: when I looked at it, I thought God had none

1915
01:46:32,015 --> 01:46:34,895
Speaker 11: of the none of the fences are within Yeah. Three

1916
01:46:35,015 --> 01:46:37,575
Speaker 11: photos of the look.

1917
01:46:37,655 --> 01:46:43,095
Speaker 6: I remember building a garage in Mount Eden, probably thirty

1918
01:46:43,215 --> 01:46:45,695
Speaker 6: years ago, and there's a big old stone fence right

1919
01:46:46,015 --> 01:46:49,775
Speaker 6: from way back in the day, and everyone just assumed

1920
01:46:49,815 --> 01:46:52,695
Speaker 6: that the fence was the boundary and it wasn't. So

1921
01:46:53,775 --> 01:46:55,975
Speaker 6: I know lots of fences that are no like you

1922
01:46:56,415 --> 01:47:01,055
Speaker 6: nowhere near the boundary in the I appreciate the conversation

1923
01:47:01,295 --> 01:47:04,335
Speaker 6: and the discussion. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Now

1924
01:47:04,455 --> 01:47:06,895
Speaker 6: after the break, we might take one or two quick calls,

1925
01:47:07,495 --> 01:47:10,335
Speaker 6: and then we're going to talk insurance. What's public liability,

1926
01:47:10,415 --> 01:47:12,895
Speaker 6: what's contract works insurance? When do you need to talk

1927
01:47:12,935 --> 01:47:15,455
Speaker 6: to your insurer. We've got an expert who can answer

1928
01:47:15,535 --> 01:47:18,855
Speaker 6: some of those questions. General advice around insurance coming up

1929
01:47:18,935 --> 01:47:22,815
Speaker 6: after the break. Now, when do I need to stop talking,

1930
01:47:23,455 --> 01:47:26,615
Speaker 6: because we're going to do that at some stage. We've

1931
01:47:26,615 --> 01:47:29,375
Speaker 6: got a new sport and weather for you coming up shortly.

1932
01:47:30,415 --> 01:47:32,935
Speaker 6: But we will take another calls too, eight hundred and

1933
01:47:32,975 --> 01:47:33,615
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty.

1934
01:47:34,095 --> 01:47:37,015
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

1935
01:47:37,055 --> 01:47:38,575
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall.

1936
01:47:38,615 --> 01:47:40,215
Speaker 4: Do you have a feed a wolf GAFA call on

1937
01:47:42,295 --> 01:47:44,135
Speaker 4: the resident builder on Newstalks.

1938
01:47:44,135 --> 01:47:46,375
Speaker 6: I'd b had a very good morning to you. We're

1939
01:47:46,415 --> 01:47:49,255
Speaker 6: back into the show The Resident Builder on Sunday. That's

1940
01:47:49,295 --> 01:47:51,815
Speaker 6: with me Pete wolf Camp right through till nine o'clock

1941
01:47:51,895 --> 01:47:55,815
Speaker 6: this morning. Slightly different format today obviously because it is

1942
01:47:55,975 --> 01:47:59,415
Speaker 6: Easter Sunday, so we're commercial free, lots of time for

1943
01:47:59,495 --> 01:48:01,175
Speaker 6: your calls, and it's been a really good morning. Actually,

1944
01:48:01,215 --> 01:48:03,615
Speaker 6: thank you very much for those who have participated. It

1945
01:48:03,775 --> 01:48:08,735
Speaker 6: is eight minutes, six minutes. Part me after eight to

1946
01:48:08,975 --> 01:48:10,935
Speaker 6: take a couple of quick calls, and then we're going

1947
01:48:11,015 --> 01:48:14,095
Speaker 6: to have a chat with Meg Warner, whose executive manager,

1948
01:48:14,295 --> 01:48:19,655
Speaker 6: broker and specialist claims is from NZI and it's an

1949
01:48:19,695 --> 01:48:22,615
Speaker 6: opportunity based on some earlier conversations we've had on this

1950
01:48:22,695 --> 01:48:28,015
Speaker 6: show about renovations, alterations and insurance. Who gets what types

1951
01:48:28,055 --> 01:48:30,375
Speaker 6: of insurances are on off? Who do you have to

1952
01:48:30,455 --> 01:48:32,855
Speaker 6: talk to and that sort of thing. So hopefully we'll

1953
01:48:32,895 --> 01:48:35,735
Speaker 6: cast a little bit of light in a general sense

1954
01:48:35,815 --> 01:48:38,895
Speaker 6: onto some of those insurance questions. But before we get

1955
01:48:38,975 --> 01:48:41,535
Speaker 6: to Meg, we're just going to quick chat with you. John. Hey,

1956
01:48:41,655 --> 01:48:42,415
Speaker 6: how are you doing.

1957
01:48:43,975 --> 01:48:44,135
Speaker 20: Good?

1958
01:48:44,215 --> 01:48:44,295
Speaker 15: Ay?

1959
01:48:44,375 --> 01:48:46,415
Speaker 6: John? Hello, Hey, good morning.

1960
01:48:47,375 --> 01:48:50,735
Speaker 20: Good morning. Yeah. So I have a garage that's been

1961
01:48:50,855 --> 01:48:51,975
Speaker 20: lined with flywood.

1962
01:48:52,295 --> 01:48:52,495
Speaker 6: Yep.

1963
01:48:55,015 --> 01:48:58,175
Speaker 20: Recently a car crashed into a fence that's next to

1964
01:48:58,215 --> 01:49:03,215
Speaker 20: the garage and the tenant claimed that the garage at

1965
01:49:03,415 --> 01:49:06,735
Speaker 20: flywood Or had been damaged. But that hasn't been damaged

1966
01:49:06,775 --> 01:49:07,095
Speaker 20: at all.

1967
01:49:07,815 --> 01:49:07,975
Speaker 6: Right.

1968
01:49:09,135 --> 01:49:11,975
Speaker 20: As a response, the insurance set their own builder and

1969
01:49:12,455 --> 01:49:17,175
Speaker 20: look at it, and the builder told the tenant that

1970
01:49:17,455 --> 01:49:21,575
Speaker 20: the garage should be condemned because of the plywood. May

1971
01:49:21,695 --> 01:49:25,495
Speaker 20: they think it's been made into a sleep hour when

1972
01:49:25,535 --> 01:49:30,415
Speaker 20: it's just the garage with plywood. And so I'm really

1973
01:49:30,495 --> 01:49:34,735
Speaker 20: upset that the tenant now doesn't go into the garage

1974
01:49:34,815 --> 01:49:39,895
Speaker 20: because she's been told by the insurances builder that it's condemned.

1975
01:49:41,855 --> 01:49:44,215
Speaker 20: So that's really confusing for me because I thought counsels

1976
01:49:44,295 --> 01:49:45,655
Speaker 20: were the ones that do the condemning.

1977
01:49:47,375 --> 01:49:55,175
Speaker 6: Yeah, the blood answer would be to say to that builder,

1978
01:49:55,535 --> 01:49:58,775
Speaker 6: get back in your box, right, you're not there to

1979
01:49:58,895 --> 01:50:01,135
Speaker 6: comment on that. You're just there to assess is there

1980
01:50:01,215 --> 01:50:04,695
Speaker 6: damage to the internal linings caused by an accident? And

1981
01:50:04,815 --> 01:50:08,415
Speaker 6: that's a useful no. They then, I mean, look I

1982
01:50:08,695 --> 01:50:11,095
Speaker 6: get it from you know, if they had concerns that,

1983
01:50:11,535 --> 01:50:16,175
Speaker 6: in fact the building was being used as addition an

1984
01:50:16,215 --> 01:50:20,335
Speaker 6: extra bedroom and it was far from being suitable for habitation.

1985
01:50:20,935 --> 01:50:23,135
Speaker 6: Then you know, as a civic duty, good on them

1986
01:50:23,175 --> 01:50:26,015
Speaker 6: for pointing that out. But in this instance it's not.

1987
01:50:26,455 --> 01:50:29,055
Speaker 6: And unless he's got grounds to say that there is

1988
01:50:29,175 --> 01:50:33,695
Speaker 6: some Well, if because a car crashed into the side

1989
01:50:33,695 --> 01:50:36,575
Speaker 6: of it, the building's unsafe, then yes, you could say

1990
01:50:36,735 --> 01:50:38,935
Speaker 6: no one should go into the until it's made safe.

1991
01:50:39,055 --> 01:50:41,375
Speaker 6: But that's the only base crashed.

1992
01:50:41,095 --> 01:50:45,415
Speaker 20: Into the fence. The fence. It didn't didn't touch the building,

1993
01:50:45,495 --> 01:50:48,015
Speaker 20: it didn't touch the garage. The problem is the tenant

1994
01:50:48,455 --> 01:50:51,775
Speaker 20: was the one that made a claim, right because I

1995
01:50:52,335 --> 01:50:56,855
Speaker 20: didn't see the building she said that, oh the garage

1996
01:50:56,895 --> 01:50:59,735
Speaker 20: has been damaged too. Because I don't know why she

1997
01:50:59,855 --> 01:51:03,215
Speaker 20: said that. Maybe she thought she'd get a free, new

1998
01:51:03,295 --> 01:51:04,695
Speaker 20: yet brandy garage out of it.

1999
01:51:04,735 --> 01:51:05,295
Speaker 16: It was on there.

2000
01:51:05,335 --> 01:51:08,375
Speaker 6: I really go John, I wonder whether the simple answer

2001
01:51:08,495 --> 01:51:12,535
Speaker 6: is to get another suitably suitably qualified person LBP building

2002
01:51:12,575 --> 01:51:15,095
Speaker 6: serve to have a look at the building, do a

2003
01:51:15,175 --> 01:51:19,335
Speaker 6: quick note to say, look, it's structurally sound. It's you know,

2004
01:51:19,495 --> 01:51:22,935
Speaker 6: it doesn't need to be building code compliant, it just

2005
01:51:23,015 --> 01:51:26,655
Speaker 6: needs to be sound and safe. And then you can

2006
01:51:26,695 --> 01:51:29,815
Speaker 6: give that to the tenant and say, look, there's no

2007
01:51:29,975 --> 01:51:32,735
Speaker 6: concerns around it. I think that might be the simplest

2008
01:51:32,775 --> 01:51:36,615
Speaker 6: way forward. Again, in some ways, I admire the civic

2009
01:51:36,775 --> 01:51:39,935
Speaker 6: responsibility shown by the person, but also if that's not

2010
01:51:40,015 --> 01:51:42,495
Speaker 6: what they're asked to look at, then they shouldn't comment

2011
01:51:42,535 --> 01:51:44,695
Speaker 6: on it. It's as simple as that. Appreciate the call

2012
01:51:44,775 --> 01:51:46,535
Speaker 6: John and Crystal, Hello.

2013
01:51:47,735 --> 01:51:49,055
Speaker 22: Good morning, long time they speak.

2014
01:51:49,575 --> 01:51:51,255
Speaker 6: I know that's right.

2015
01:51:52,255 --> 01:51:55,855
Speaker 22: So under this new legislation which is increasing the permissive

2016
01:51:55,895 --> 01:52:01,495
Speaker 22: development of on your back looms trade, does it go

2017
01:52:01,655 --> 01:52:04,455
Speaker 22: on the actual square leaderage? So could I take two

2018
01:52:04,855 --> 01:52:06,935
Speaker 22: small dwellings on the back to add up to the

2019
01:52:07,095 --> 01:52:08,815
Speaker 22: same amount of the square message.

2020
01:52:11,295 --> 01:52:13,575
Speaker 6: I don't know that the intention is for you to

2021
01:52:13,775 --> 01:52:17,215
Speaker 6: combine the numbers, but if you had enough space, I

2022
01:52:17,295 --> 01:52:19,655
Speaker 6: don't think there's anything that says you can't have more

2023
01:52:19,735 --> 01:52:20,375
Speaker 6: than one.

2024
01:52:21,535 --> 01:52:23,575
Speaker 22: Right because I have a quarter acre section and I've

2025
01:52:23,575 --> 01:52:24,855
Speaker 22: got more than a space.

2026
01:52:25,055 --> 01:52:28,935
Speaker 6: Yeah, thousand square meters on a quarter acre section the

2027
01:52:29,055 --> 01:52:32,655
Speaker 6: existing house. But remember what the government is talking about

2028
01:52:32,735 --> 01:52:36,535
Speaker 6: is building legislation. They are not talking about planning legislation.

2029
01:52:37,855 --> 01:52:40,895
Speaker 6: So a building needs to comply with both of those

2030
01:52:40,975 --> 01:52:43,295
Speaker 6: pieces of legislation. And what you might find is that

2031
01:52:43,495 --> 01:52:46,495
Speaker 6: council in your area say, actually, we don't have the

2032
01:52:46,575 --> 01:52:50,855
Speaker 6: infrastructure to accommodate two additional habitable spaces. We've only got

2033
01:52:50,895 --> 01:52:53,455
Speaker 6: the infrastructure for one. So we're not going to give

2034
01:52:53,495 --> 01:52:55,415
Speaker 6: permission for it. Even if you don't need a building

2035
01:52:55,455 --> 01:52:57,855
Speaker 6: consent for it, you won't get planning permission. The other

2036
01:52:57,975 --> 01:53:00,455
Speaker 6: thing is, while it might seem like you've got the space,

2037
01:53:00,575 --> 01:53:03,375
Speaker 6: you need to maintain a certain distance between them, so

2038
01:53:03,495 --> 01:53:06,095
Speaker 6: that might be an issue. It might be driveways. You know,

2039
01:53:06,375 --> 01:53:10,015
Speaker 6: It's like, I like the idea of where they're heading,

2040
01:53:10,055 --> 01:53:13,135
Speaker 6: but I think the complexity is there, and there's a

2041
01:53:13,255 --> 01:53:18,775
Speaker 6: lot still that needs to be resolved or discussed.

2042
01:53:18,255 --> 01:53:18,975
Speaker 25: And so on.

2043
01:53:19,215 --> 01:53:23,175
Speaker 22: So yeah, my last suggestion would be they can have

2044
01:53:23,255 --> 01:53:26,095
Speaker 22: a set of approved in Nerica plans, but you'd go online,

2045
01:53:26,175 --> 01:53:28,215
Speaker 22: you know for all different types of dwellings. Yeah, and

2046
01:53:28,255 --> 01:53:29,855
Speaker 22: you could just use the one that you want to use,

2047
01:53:29,895 --> 01:53:32,375
Speaker 22: and then you know, that's that's that complies. If you know,

2048
01:53:32,415 --> 01:53:33,175
Speaker 22: that would be a good idea.

2049
01:53:33,215 --> 01:53:35,855
Speaker 6: I think I think there's some real grounds for that

2050
01:53:35,975 --> 01:53:38,495
Speaker 6: sort of thing to develop. So you know, even as

2051
01:53:38,535 --> 01:53:40,695
Speaker 6: a designer, you could say, well, look here, I'm offering

2052
01:53:40,775 --> 01:53:42,855
Speaker 6: up a set of plans that if you build it

2053
01:53:42,895 --> 01:53:44,975
Speaker 6: in accordance with my set of plans, the building will

2054
01:53:45,015 --> 01:53:47,775
Speaker 6: be code compliance. It's a sixty square meters that would

2055
01:53:47,775 --> 01:53:50,495
Speaker 6: be that'd be a great business to start there.

2056
01:53:50,535 --> 01:53:54,495
Speaker 22: You go, absolutely all right, and to you too.

2057
01:53:55,575 --> 01:53:57,055
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got to take it easy on the chocolate

2058
01:53:57,135 --> 01:54:00,855
Speaker 6: these days, but it's been quite the interesting exercise for

2059
01:54:00,935 --> 01:54:04,975
Speaker 6: me personally. In a rather rash decision the day before

2060
01:54:05,015 --> 01:54:07,975
Speaker 6: Ash Wednesday, which is the state of Lent, when asked

2061
01:54:08,015 --> 01:54:10,215
Speaker 6: what I was going to give up, which is part

2062
01:54:10,255 --> 01:54:13,175
Speaker 6: of our tradition for Lent, I said, well, I'll give

2063
01:54:13,255 --> 01:54:19,095
Speaker 6: up alcohol, which I've done, which has been interesting right now.

2064
01:54:19,295 --> 01:54:22,735
Speaker 6: Over the years that we've done the show, insurance we've

2065
01:54:22,815 --> 01:54:25,575
Speaker 6: often talked about, and so it's a great pleasure to

2066
01:54:25,695 --> 01:54:28,735
Speaker 6: connect with Meg Warner from Enzie the other day to

2067
01:54:29,015 --> 01:54:31,975
Speaker 6: talk about specific insurance. We're going to do that in

2068
01:54:32,135 --> 01:54:34,215
Speaker 6: just a moment. A couple of weeks ago, a couple

2069
01:54:34,255 --> 01:54:36,535
Speaker 6: of months ago, on the program, we had a call

2070
01:54:36,975 --> 01:54:40,495
Speaker 6: and someone was talking about insurance. They had a contractor

2071
01:54:40,535 --> 01:54:42,335
Speaker 6: who was coming to do some work at their house.

2072
01:54:42,775 --> 01:54:46,215
Speaker 6: It seemed a kind of unusual arrangement where he was saying, look,

2073
01:54:46,255 --> 01:54:48,495
Speaker 6: I'll take out an insurance policy, but you agree to

2074
01:54:48,535 --> 01:54:51,935
Speaker 6: pay the excess rather confusing, and it got me thinking

2075
01:54:52,015 --> 01:54:54,655
Speaker 6: about all of us. If we're thinking about renovations, if

2076
01:54:54,695 --> 01:54:57,975
Speaker 6: we think about alterations, what type of insurance do we need?

2077
01:54:58,535 --> 01:55:00,615
Speaker 6: And I figured that we should talk to an expert.

2078
01:55:00,735 --> 01:55:03,295
Speaker 6: So it is great to have Meg from Enzie here

2079
01:55:03,735 --> 01:55:08,975
Speaker 6: to talk about some really base terms around renovations and insurance. Meek,

2080
01:55:09,015 --> 01:55:10,095
Speaker 6: thanks very much for joining us.

2081
01:55:10,215 --> 01:55:11,255
Speaker 10: Thanks for having me, Pete.

2082
01:55:11,815 --> 01:55:14,815
Speaker 6: So let's start. I'm about to do some work on

2083
01:55:15,015 --> 01:55:18,175
Speaker 6: my house, and let's say it's just painting a bedroom.

2084
01:55:18,255 --> 01:55:19,415
Speaker 6: Do I need to ring the insurer?

2085
01:55:20,095 --> 01:55:20,135
Speaker 15: No?

2086
01:55:20,575 --> 01:55:22,975
Speaker 10: Okay, not if you're doing a little piece of cosmetic

2087
01:55:23,055 --> 01:55:25,015
Speaker 10: work like that. But if you're about to add a

2088
01:55:25,055 --> 01:55:28,255
Speaker 10: bedroom or add an on suite onto your bedroom, you

2089
01:55:28,375 --> 01:55:30,255
Speaker 10: probably want to have a chat with your insurance broker

2090
01:55:30,455 --> 01:55:33,375
Speaker 10: or your insurance company just to check, because sometimes your

2091
01:55:33,415 --> 01:55:35,735
Speaker 10: policy will cover it and sometimes it won't.

2092
01:55:35,615 --> 01:55:38,735
Speaker 6: Okay, So adding on definitely a trigger to say, got

2093
01:55:38,775 --> 01:55:40,375
Speaker 6: to get on the phone to the insurer. What about

2094
01:55:40,375 --> 01:55:44,495
Speaker 6: if I'm ripping out my existing bathroom and doing replacing it,

2095
01:55:44,775 --> 01:55:46,015
Speaker 6: you know, upgrading.

2096
01:55:45,655 --> 01:55:48,695
Speaker 10: It again, just pace a chat with your broker or

2097
01:55:48,735 --> 01:55:51,975
Speaker 10: an insurance company. It depends on that the value of

2098
01:55:52,055 --> 01:55:54,895
Speaker 10: the work, because some policies will have a limit around

2099
01:55:55,015 --> 01:55:58,535
Speaker 10: small contract works, yep. And in that case you properly

2100
01:55:58,615 --> 01:56:01,495
Speaker 10: will be asked to take out a policy. Okay, but

2101
01:56:01,615 --> 01:56:04,775
Speaker 10: if it's low value, maybe not. But every policy is

2102
01:56:04,775 --> 01:56:06,255
Speaker 10: a little bit different, and you don't want to get

2103
01:56:06,375 --> 01:56:08,735
Speaker 10: caught out for the sake of a two minute fun call.

2104
01:56:09,415 --> 01:56:11,975
Speaker 6: And I think the theme of all of this is

2105
01:56:12,055 --> 01:56:14,175
Speaker 6: going to be if you're unsure, and most of us

2106
01:56:14,255 --> 01:56:17,335
Speaker 6: are giving a broker or your insurer a call. So

2107
01:56:17,495 --> 01:56:20,775
Speaker 6: let's say that almost anything that's more than just cosmetic

2108
01:56:20,975 --> 01:56:24,055
Speaker 6: is going to require it. So once you've decided to

2109
01:56:24,135 --> 01:56:25,815
Speaker 6: add on, let's say you're adding a little bit onto

2110
01:56:25,895 --> 01:56:28,335
Speaker 6: the living room, changing the kitchen, maybe doing some work

2111
01:56:28,375 --> 01:56:31,815
Speaker 6: in the bathroom, you've got a general scope of works.

2112
01:56:32,575 --> 01:56:35,095
Speaker 6: What's the conversation with the insurer? What do you need

2113
01:56:35,175 --> 01:56:36,055
Speaker 6: to tell the insurer?

2114
01:56:36,535 --> 01:56:38,735
Speaker 10: So there's a couple of bits here, pete. So sometimes

2115
01:56:38,775 --> 01:56:41,935
Speaker 10: your contract, your contract will have their own policy in

2116
01:56:42,015 --> 01:56:44,375
Speaker 10: place that will cover the work that they're doing, and

2117
01:56:44,455 --> 01:56:47,655
Speaker 10: sometimes they won't. So when they don't, if you're arranging

2118
01:56:47,695 --> 01:56:49,695
Speaker 10: it and you can have this conversation with your builder,

2119
01:56:50,055 --> 01:56:52,135
Speaker 10: you'd contact your insurance company and you'd let them know

2120
01:56:52,975 --> 01:56:55,535
Speaker 10: what you're doing, how long it's going to take, how

2121
01:56:55,615 --> 01:56:58,575
Speaker 10: much you're spending, and then they will ask any additional

2122
01:56:58,655 --> 01:57:01,095
Speaker 10: questions that they have there and put something in place

2123
01:57:01,335 --> 01:57:03,375
Speaker 10: that will protect you if something happens.

2124
01:57:04,015 --> 01:57:04,495
Speaker 12: So, if the.

2125
01:57:04,575 --> 01:57:08,535
Speaker 6: Contractor has insurance for this type of work sort.

2126
01:57:08,335 --> 01:57:10,895
Speaker 10: Of what's that called contract works insurance?

2127
01:57:11,095 --> 01:57:14,895
Speaker 6: Okay? And just in terms of surety, if I'm the

2128
01:57:14,935 --> 01:57:17,415
Speaker 6: homeowner and I'm engaging the builder who's going to be

2129
01:57:17,495 --> 01:57:20,215
Speaker 6: the main contractor, and I say to them, hey, look,

2130
01:57:20,295 --> 01:57:22,935
Speaker 6: show me your the proof that you've got the insurance.

2131
01:57:22,975 --> 01:57:24,135
Speaker 6: What should that proof look like?

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Speaker 10: They should have a certificate of insurance.

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01:57:26,255 --> 01:57:26,495
Speaker 6: Okay.

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01:57:26,495 --> 01:57:28,775
Speaker 10: It's quite a normal thing for an insurance broker to

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01:57:28,855 --> 01:57:33,135
Speaker 10: provide their customers at renewal time. And sometimes a builder

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01:57:33,135 --> 01:57:35,935
Speaker 10: will have an annual contract works policy, so that's a

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01:57:35,975 --> 01:57:37,895
Speaker 10: policy that will be in place for a full twelve

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01:57:37,935 --> 01:57:40,375
Speaker 10: month period and then it'll cover all the jobs they do.

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01:57:40,655 --> 01:57:44,095
Speaker 6: Yes, what about if let's say, you know renovations can

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01:57:44,175 --> 01:57:48,175
Speaker 6: run to half a million dollars, So would you then

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01:57:48,375 --> 01:57:51,455
Speaker 6: talk to your to the contractor and go, do you

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01:57:51,535 --> 01:57:54,375
Speaker 6: have specific contract works insurance for this job given the

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01:57:54,415 --> 01:57:54,855
Speaker 6: scale of it?

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01:57:55,455 --> 01:57:58,495
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think as a job gets bigger, you're probably

2145
01:57:58,535 --> 01:58:00,095
Speaker 10: going to want to make sure that you are a

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01:58:00,215 --> 01:58:02,575
Speaker 10: joint insured on a contract works policy.

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01:58:02,775 --> 01:58:03,135
Speaker 6: Okay.

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01:58:03,455 --> 01:58:07,975
Speaker 10: So if you've got an insurance company that offers contract

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01:58:08,015 --> 01:58:10,775
Speaker 10: works insurance company, great idea to take it out with them,

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01:58:10,855 --> 01:58:13,255
Speaker 10: because then you know you've got continuous insurance cover. You

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01:58:13,375 --> 01:58:16,535
Speaker 10: know there'll be no gaps. But if not, contact your

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01:58:16,535 --> 01:58:18,655
Speaker 10: broker and they'll be able to place the contract works

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01:58:18,695 --> 01:58:19,895
Speaker 10: with any commercial insurer.

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01:58:20,455 --> 01:58:23,495
Speaker 6: Okay. So if as the homeowner again, you're going to

2155
01:58:23,575 --> 01:58:26,135
Speaker 6: do the extension, You've talked to your contractor they might

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01:58:26,295 --> 01:58:31,055
Speaker 6: have contract works insurance. You would then extend your policy

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01:58:31,095 --> 01:58:33,375
Speaker 6: as well. Is an overlap a good thing, or you

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01:58:33,455 --> 01:58:34,535
Speaker 6: don't need the overlap, You.

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01:58:34,535 --> 01:58:37,175
Speaker 10: Don't want an overlap. An overlap will complicate things and

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01:58:37,255 --> 01:58:39,335
Speaker 10: make things harder in the event of a claim. So

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01:58:39,375 --> 01:58:40,935
Speaker 10: you want to make sure that you're clear as to

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01:58:41,015 --> 01:58:44,015
Speaker 10: who has the obligation to take out the contract works policy.

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01:58:44,415 --> 01:58:46,255
Speaker 6: So in this case, again just to be really clear,

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01:58:46,415 --> 01:58:48,895
Speaker 6: if I decide that I've got a really as a homeowner,

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01:58:48,935 --> 01:58:51,855
Speaker 6: I've got a really good relationship with my insurer, and

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01:58:52,055 --> 01:58:54,375
Speaker 6: we're going to do this work. I'm adding thirty square

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01:58:54,415 --> 01:58:55,695
Speaker 6: meters to the back of the house. It's going to

2168
01:58:55,735 --> 01:58:58,095
Speaker 6: cost three hundred grand. I ring up and I get

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01:58:58,135 --> 01:59:01,295
Speaker 6: the insurance. That's one option, or I don't, but I

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01:59:01,495 --> 01:59:05,135
Speaker 6: make sure that my contractor does yes, okay, And the

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01:59:05,255 --> 01:59:08,255
Speaker 6: proof is really easy to see because I do hear

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01:59:08,375 --> 01:59:11,815
Speaker 6: stories where people say I asked for some proof and

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01:59:11,975 --> 01:59:13,895
Speaker 6: they were you know, they said they'd get it to me,

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01:59:13,975 --> 01:59:16,495
Speaker 6: but I never saw it. And we do hear stories

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01:59:16,535 --> 01:59:19,375
Speaker 6: of builders who take out insurance but in fact they

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01:59:19,455 --> 01:59:21,135
Speaker 6: never did or claim to take it out.

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01:59:21,255 --> 01:59:24,015
Speaker 10: Yeah, and in these sort of small renovation jobs, you

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01:59:24,095 --> 01:59:26,735
Speaker 10: don't usually have a contract in place that would detail

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01:59:27,055 --> 01:59:29,495
Speaker 10: that sort of information as well, So it is quite

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01:59:29,535 --> 01:59:34,215
Speaker 10: easy for a contractor to show you. The insurance policy

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01:59:34,495 --> 01:59:35,535
Speaker 10: that they have in place.

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01:59:35,375 --> 01:59:38,895
Speaker 6: Should be really straightforward. So the contract works insurance. What

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01:59:39,215 --> 01:59:40,695
Speaker 6: types of things does that cover?

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01:59:42,335 --> 01:59:45,775
Speaker 10: So any loss related to the work that's underway. So

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01:59:46,175 --> 01:59:50,375
Speaker 10: our most common claims are around burglary, so items stolen

2186
01:59:50,455 --> 01:59:53,415
Speaker 10: from sight, lots of white ware, lots of appliances, and

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01:59:53,495 --> 01:59:57,095
Speaker 10: a lot of wiring. It'll cover you for storm damage.

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01:59:57,135 --> 01:59:59,295
Speaker 10: So if you've got your jib outside and the tarpole

2189
01:59:59,335 --> 02:00:01,255
Speaker 10: and blows off it and it gets damaged in a storm,

2190
02:00:01,295 --> 02:00:04,255
Speaker 10: that's covered by a contract works If your builder spills

2191
02:00:04,295 --> 02:00:06,775
Speaker 10: their coffee on your beautiful floor and you've got to

2192
02:00:06,815 --> 02:00:09,655
Speaker 10: revarnish it, your contract works policy will pick up that

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02:00:09,815 --> 02:00:12,855
Speaker 10: loss as well. And if there's a fire caused by

2194
02:00:13,495 --> 02:00:16,255
Speaker 10: a blowtorch that they're using, your contact work policy will

2195
02:00:16,255 --> 02:00:17,455
Speaker 10: pick that up all right.

2196
02:00:17,895 --> 02:00:20,935
Speaker 6: The other type of insurance that people often talk about

2197
02:00:21,095 --> 02:00:25,535
Speaker 6: in regards to the construction is public liability. So would

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02:00:25,575 --> 02:00:28,215
Speaker 6: a homeowner need to take out some sort of public

2199
02:00:28,295 --> 02:00:31,655
Speaker 6: liability contract or would you expect the contractors all to

2200
02:00:31,735 --> 02:00:32,495
Speaker 6: have their own PI.

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Speaker 10: Under most house insurance policies, there is a liability element there, okay,

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02:00:39,255 --> 02:00:43,295
Speaker 10: But whether a contract works policy that's going to cover

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02:00:43,375 --> 02:00:45,375
Speaker 10: the work that's being done. And there's a separate policy

2204
02:00:45,415 --> 02:00:48,935
Speaker 10: called a public liability insurance, yes, which will cover damage

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02:00:48,975 --> 02:00:52,375
Speaker 10: done to other people's property. So if you have some

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02:00:52,495 --> 02:00:55,095
Speaker 10: scaffolding up and you knock the hammer off and it

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02:00:55,215 --> 02:00:59,655
Speaker 10: damages your neighbor's car, that's the policy that would respond, okay.

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02:00:59,815 --> 02:01:04,695
Speaker 6: And again it would be reasonable to ask your main contractors,

2209
02:01:05,415 --> 02:01:08,815
Speaker 6: either the or the plumber or the electrician, Hey, do

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02:01:08,975 --> 02:01:11,335
Speaker 6: you have these types of policies in place before you

2211
02:01:11,415 --> 02:01:14,415
Speaker 6: come work at my place? Absolutely all right, and hey,

2212
02:01:14,455 --> 02:01:16,495
Speaker 6: look a word to contractors. You should have this on

2213
02:01:16,575 --> 02:01:20,255
Speaker 6: your phone. Basically it's easy to share with people. So

2214
02:01:20,375 --> 02:01:23,375
Speaker 6: the overlap's not a good thing. The public liability is

2215
02:01:24,415 --> 02:01:26,895
Speaker 6: what happens at the end of a project. So let's

2216
02:01:26,895 --> 02:01:29,335
Speaker 6: say you've added twenty or thirty square meters to your

2217
02:01:29,415 --> 02:01:32,415
Speaker 6: house or maybe even more, or you've added a retaining wall,

2218
02:01:32,615 --> 02:01:35,975
Speaker 6: you've done some landscaping, maybe a pool. Do you talk

2219
02:01:36,015 --> 02:01:36,855
Speaker 6: to your insurer about that?

2220
02:01:37,375 --> 02:01:37,535
Speaker 20: Yes?

2221
02:01:38,095 --> 02:01:40,775
Speaker 10: So whatever change you're making, if you're increasing the value

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02:01:40,855 --> 02:01:42,735
Speaker 10: of your home or the size of your home, is

2223
02:01:43,135 --> 02:01:44,895
Speaker 10: the only way you're insure is going to find out

2224
02:01:44,895 --> 02:01:47,175
Speaker 10: about that is if you let them know. Sure, so

2225
02:01:47,655 --> 02:01:49,535
Speaker 10: you want to make sure that that pool is covered,

2226
02:01:49,655 --> 02:01:52,055
Speaker 10: or that the insurance company now knows that your house

2227
02:01:52,175 --> 02:01:55,495
Speaker 10: is a two story not a one story and there

2228
02:01:55,575 --> 02:01:57,855
Speaker 10: some insured, or the cost to reinstate is going to

2229
02:01:57,895 --> 02:01:59,255
Speaker 10: be a little bit different now that you've done all

2230
02:01:59,295 --> 02:01:59,775
Speaker 10: of this work.

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02:01:59,895 --> 02:02:05,335
Speaker 6: Sure, And then I guess at the end of a

2232
02:02:05,415 --> 02:02:08,015
Speaker 6: project of ring your insurer again and go, hey, the

2233
02:02:08,055 --> 02:02:12,815
Speaker 6: work's finished. Or when people take out a contract works insurance,

2234
02:02:12,895 --> 02:02:14,855
Speaker 6: is it typically for a set period of time.

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02:02:15,575 --> 02:02:19,575
Speaker 10: Yes, So usually what happens is then you might be

2236
02:02:19,655 --> 02:02:22,575
Speaker 10: familiar with this, peeple. A job will run over every

2237
02:02:22,655 --> 02:02:25,735
Speaker 10: now and then. Sure, So what you want to do

2238
02:02:25,895 --> 02:02:27,215
Speaker 10: is you want to make sure that you know when

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02:02:27,255 --> 02:02:29,335
Speaker 10: the policy is going to expire, and if it looks

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02:02:29,375 --> 02:02:31,015
Speaker 10: like it's going to run over, make sure that you

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02:02:31,135 --> 02:02:34,335
Speaker 10: get an extension, okay, and then when it's done, If

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02:02:34,335 --> 02:02:36,455
Speaker 10: it's done by that date, the only thing you need

2243
02:02:36,495 --> 02:02:38,495
Speaker 10: to do is contact your insurer and just to update

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02:02:38,575 --> 02:02:40,775
Speaker 10: them with the increase some insured and let them know

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02:02:40,855 --> 02:02:44,015
Speaker 10: the new floor area or the new you know, the

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02:02:44,055 --> 02:02:45,495
Speaker 10: pool or whatever it is that you've added.

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02:02:45,655 --> 02:02:47,655
Speaker 6: Yeah, just to make sure that you're covered for those

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02:02:47,735 --> 02:02:48,415
Speaker 6: things in the future.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah again, I guess the takeaway for me seems to be,

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02:02:53,855 --> 02:02:56,735
Speaker 6: you know, get on the phone or go through email

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02:02:56,975 --> 02:02:59,455
Speaker 6: the details and go, hey, look, just want to check

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02:02:59,495 --> 02:03:00,735
Speaker 6: my cover on these sorts of things.

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02:03:01,215 --> 02:03:03,735
Speaker 10: Yeah, your house and house insurance policy will have the

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02:03:03,775 --> 02:03:07,215
Speaker 10: details in it, right. Call your insurance company. They'll be

2256
02:03:07,215 --> 02:03:09,375
Speaker 10: able to answer the question really quickly. Call you're broker.

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02:03:09,415 --> 02:03:11,655
Speaker 10: They'll be used to these types of queries.

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02:03:11,815 --> 02:03:14,455
Speaker 6: Yeah, but make sure you cover it. I'm just I'm

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02:03:14,495 --> 02:03:17,455
Speaker 6: amazed that the most common claim is for burglary, which

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02:03:17,535 --> 02:03:20,295
Speaker 6: is a such a disappointing thing to hear. I shouldn't

2261
02:03:20,335 --> 02:03:23,415
Speaker 6: be surprised, but yeah, so it's not the tart bleu

2262
02:03:23,535 --> 02:03:25,655
Speaker 6: off and my house is ruined. It's someone's come and

2263
02:03:25,735 --> 02:03:26,575
Speaker 6: tried to pinch my stuff.

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02:03:26,575 --> 02:03:28,535
Speaker 10: It's not I got caught up in a tornado. It

2265
02:03:28,695 --> 02:03:29,455
Speaker 10: is it is theft.

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Speaker 6: It is burglary from sites.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that raises a whole other issue. Hey, Meg, thank

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02:03:34,215 --> 02:03:37,295
Speaker 6: you very very much for this. It's really good, sensible,

2270
02:03:37,375 --> 02:03:40,415
Speaker 6: straightforward information that hopefully will clarify what to some of

2271
02:03:40,535 --> 02:03:43,095
Speaker 6: us is a little bit of murky territory. So really

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02:03:43,135 --> 02:03:43,895
Speaker 6: appreciate your time.

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Speaker 12: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: Pete's great to be here.

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02:03:45,695 --> 02:03:48,415
Speaker 4: Seeya, se Ya used dog zid be.

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Speaker 6: So there was Meg Warner from Inzidi as it happens,

2277
02:03:52,655 --> 02:03:56,455
Speaker 6: who's a claim specialist, and just an opportunity to try

2278
02:03:56,575 --> 02:03:58,655
Speaker 6: and shine a bit of a light on It's not

2279
02:03:58,735 --> 02:04:01,495
Speaker 6: that it's murky. I just think that there's to be

2280
02:04:01,575 --> 02:04:04,815
Speaker 6: blunt often so much misinformation or lack of information around

2281
02:04:05,335 --> 02:04:07,895
Speaker 6: who gets the insurance. It's what type of insurance you need,

2282
02:04:08,095 --> 02:04:10,095
Speaker 6: what you need to do with your insurance company. We've

2283
02:04:10,095 --> 02:04:11,495
Speaker 6: got a bunch of texts.

2284
02:04:13,295 --> 02:04:13,535
Speaker 7: On that.

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02:04:13,975 --> 02:04:17,535
Speaker 6: So I think that's been really, really useful, and I

2286
02:04:17,615 --> 02:04:19,095
Speaker 6: think we'll see if we can get back and maybe

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02:04:19,135 --> 02:04:21,615
Speaker 6: answer a few of your question sometime in the next

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02:04:21,935 --> 02:04:24,535
Speaker 6: couple of months or so. I eight hundred eighty ten

2289
02:04:24,655 --> 02:04:26,455
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call. We got time for

2290
02:04:26,495 --> 02:04:29,735
Speaker 6: a quick couple of building questions. Then we're into the

2291
02:04:29,775 --> 02:04:32,015
Speaker 6: garden with a red claim pass from eight point thirty

2292
02:04:32,095 --> 02:04:35,775
Speaker 6: this morning. So I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

2293
02:04:35,895 --> 02:04:38,535
Speaker 6: that number to call. Someone's just text through? What about

2294
02:04:38,575 --> 02:04:41,295
Speaker 6: replacing the roof? Do I need specific insurance for this?

2295
02:04:41,735 --> 02:04:44,055
Speaker 6: I think that's probably a good example of the sort

2296
02:04:44,095 --> 02:04:46,175
Speaker 6: of work that if you're going to go and do it,

2297
02:04:46,775 --> 02:04:50,255
Speaker 6: you need to ideally contact your insurer. Go this is

2298
02:04:50,295 --> 02:04:52,495
Speaker 6: what I'm going to do. If I need to make

2299
02:04:52,535 --> 02:04:55,255
Speaker 6: a claim. I there's a delay and we have to

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02:04:55,375 --> 02:04:57,415
Speaker 6: tarp it and the wind blows and the tart blows

2301
02:04:57,455 --> 02:05:00,255
Speaker 6: off and the rain comes and at my ceiling collapses,

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02:05:01,615 --> 02:05:04,775
Speaker 6: then you know, is that covered under my existing policy?

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02:05:04,895 --> 02:05:07,695
Speaker 6: Can you extend my existing policy to include that, or

2304
02:05:08,015 --> 02:05:10,095
Speaker 6: do I need to take out a specific policy for

2305
02:05:10,215 --> 02:05:13,095
Speaker 6: a short period of time to allow for that. I

2306
02:05:13,175 --> 02:05:15,495
Speaker 6: think it always seems to be talked to your insurer.

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02:05:15,655 --> 02:05:18,735
Speaker 6: Is the right answer? Oh eight hundred eighty is the

2308
02:05:18,855 --> 02:05:22,255
Speaker 6: number to call. Hell go good morning, Hi, How are

2309
02:05:22,295 --> 02:05:23,815
Speaker 6: you very well in yourself?

2310
02:05:24,735 --> 02:05:24,855
Speaker 15: Oh?

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02:05:25,015 --> 02:05:25,215
Speaker 2: Good?

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02:05:26,535 --> 02:05:29,455
Speaker 23: I'm ringing again about the place I've been in one

2313
02:05:29,575 --> 02:05:33,695
Speaker 23: year and it's been built three yearsners. I've noticed by

2314
02:05:33,815 --> 02:05:37,575
Speaker 23: the metro where on the latest echo system because it's

2315
02:05:37,615 --> 02:05:39,775
Speaker 23: a new build, but because you know you're going to

2316
02:05:39,775 --> 02:05:42,655
Speaker 23: build seven hundred houses at the race course. So we're

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02:05:42,775 --> 02:05:46,615
Speaker 23: on the news thing and there's big cracks in the concrete.

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02:05:46,695 --> 02:05:50,855
Speaker 23: I'm standing by the big Metro manholes are crack forming

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02:05:50,895 --> 02:05:55,055
Speaker 23: along the concrete and also a lot of the electricity

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02:05:55,255 --> 02:05:58,695
Speaker 23: man holds has footge sticks downhouses here and won by

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02:05:58,815 --> 02:06:03,895
Speaker 23: the core of bag long cracks on the on the

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02:06:04,055 --> 02:06:04,815
Speaker 23: path by it.

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02:06:06,575 --> 02:06:11,215
Speaker 6: Don't get a problem, no, look, I think the hard

2324
02:06:11,255 --> 02:06:15,655
Speaker 6: thing is that you know, I mean, all concrete wants

2325
02:06:15,695 --> 02:06:17,895
Speaker 6: to crack, right, So the way to manage it is

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02:06:17,975 --> 02:06:21,175
Speaker 6: one to do the right preparation, to have the right thickness,

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02:06:21,255 --> 02:06:23,895
Speaker 6: the right compaction, the right type of reinforcing in it,

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02:06:24,615 --> 02:06:28,895
Speaker 6: and then to provide expansion cuts in the concrete just

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02:06:28,975 --> 02:06:31,375
Speaker 6: after it's been laid to ensure that if it does

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02:06:31,495 --> 02:06:33,055
Speaker 6: want to move and crack, it does so in a

2331
02:06:33,135 --> 02:06:37,095
Speaker 6: controlled manner. That's the short answer to it. So every

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02:06:37,135 --> 02:06:39,575
Speaker 6: now and then, if you see cracking, it's one of

2333
02:06:39,615 --> 02:06:41,975
Speaker 6: those things that's unfortunate, but it happens. It might not

2334
02:06:42,095 --> 02:06:45,215
Speaker 6: be structural, it might be you know, essentially purely cosmetic.

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02:06:45,975 --> 02:06:49,255
Speaker 6: But if it's cracking and then it's displacement so it

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02:06:49,335 --> 02:06:50,935
Speaker 6: becomes a trip hazard, then.

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Speaker 4: You probably.

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02:06:52,975 --> 02:06:55,775
Speaker 23: Even now, yeah, no, I think if.

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02:06:55,775 --> 02:07:00,415
Speaker 6: It comes, if its a health and safety issue in essence,

2340
02:07:00,975 --> 02:07:02,975
Speaker 6: then you'd probably want to go back to the original

2341
02:07:03,055 --> 02:07:06,655
Speaker 6: contractors to ensure that they've done the work correctly. So

2342
02:07:07,135 --> 02:07:08,615
Speaker 6: that would be the approach i'd take.

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02:07:09,655 --> 02:07:10,655
Speaker 23: Okay, appreciate that.

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02:07:10,815 --> 02:07:11,655
Speaker 14: Thank you, very nice to.

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02:07:11,655 --> 02:07:15,255
Speaker 6: Talk to you. Thank you all best actually just talking

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Speaker 6: about work and workers and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 6: And then I was struck by this actually a couple

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Speaker 6: of times in the last week or so. A few

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02:07:23,495 --> 02:07:26,015
Speaker 6: weeks ago, I got called to a property where someone said, oh, look,

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Speaker 6: I've heard this funny sound of water rushing. I don't

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Speaker 6: know what it is, so I said, I'll come up

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Speaker 6: and have a look. When I arrived there, it wasn't

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Speaker 6: water on the property. It was that In fact, there

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02:07:37,375 --> 02:07:42,215
Speaker 6: had been a fairly significant leak from the main to

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Speaker 6: the toby to the boundary and there was water just

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Speaker 6: bubbling out of the garden, pouring down the footpath and

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Speaker 6: into the drain it. It was a decent old link,

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02:07:51,815 --> 02:07:54,295
Speaker 6: so leak rather so on the phone to water Care

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Speaker 6: because I'm in Auckland, reported it. They sent a crew

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Speaker 6: out very promptly, had it fax, had the water restored

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Speaker 6: within the day. So I kind of go And then

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Speaker 6: actually the other night, driving home back to my place,

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Speaker 6: looking forward to a shower, to be fair, drove past

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Speaker 6: a bunch of guys working just up the street from

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Speaker 6: me digging a great big hole looking for a water

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Speaker 6: leak in I think the water main in our street's

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02:08:20,895 --> 02:08:25,055
Speaker 6: about one hundred and ten years old, and so we

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02:08:25,215 --> 02:08:27,855
Speaker 6: had to be a little bit patient and wait until

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02:08:27,895 --> 02:08:30,095
Speaker 6: about no thing was about seven o'clock at night before

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Speaker 6: the water came back on. But it did come back on,

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Speaker 6: and I was looking at those guys working up there, thinking,

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Speaker 6: you know, they're not going to get home till quite late.

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Speaker 6: And then with the stormy weather that we've had around well,

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Speaker 6: specifically in Auckland, but I know Northland, Corimandel, and so

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02:08:43,575 --> 02:08:48,135
Speaker 6: on and near us again transformer blew up. Power was

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02:08:48,175 --> 02:08:51,655
Speaker 6: off for a while, you know, But there's crews out

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Speaker 6: there doing the work in miserable conditions, often on public holidays,

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02:08:56,935 --> 02:08:58,975
Speaker 6: and I thought, you know, I don't know that they

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02:08:59,055 --> 02:09:00,895
Speaker 6: get a lot of criticism, but I don't know that

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02:09:00,975 --> 02:09:03,335
Speaker 6: they often get the sort of pad on the back

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Speaker 6: and the congratulations and the appreciation that they deserve, because

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02:09:08,375 --> 02:09:11,895
Speaker 6: it's pretty miserable a day on Friday and parts of Saturday,

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Speaker 6: and there's lots of people out there working, and I

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02:09:14,255 --> 02:09:16,575
Speaker 6: just sort of think, look good on you. We do

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02:09:16,695 --> 02:09:19,175
Speaker 6: appreciate or I do appreciate the work that you do,

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02:09:19,535 --> 02:09:21,775
Speaker 6: and certainly, you know, you've got to be a bit

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Speaker 6: patient in these situations. But at least someone's out there

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02:09:24,375 --> 02:09:26,655
Speaker 6: fixing it. So good on you. I wait one hundred

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Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty for your gardening questions. We're going to

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Speaker 6: change gear. We're going to head into the garden. I

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02:09:33,055 --> 02:09:35,735
Speaker 6: can ask Rid about the tomato seeds that he sent me,

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02:09:35,775 --> 02:09:39,135
Speaker 6: which is kind of cool. I should probably ask him

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Speaker 6: when I should get those into the ground and what

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02:09:41,935 --> 02:09:44,735
Speaker 6: I'm going to end up with. I'm pretty sure that

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02:09:44,775 --> 02:09:47,095
Speaker 6: if he sent me tomato seeds I'll end up with tomatoes,

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02:09:47,135 --> 02:09:48,815
Speaker 6: but hey, we'll find out a bit more about that

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02:09:49,215 --> 02:09:51,375
Speaker 6: we're through it. If you've got a gardening question, I'll

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02:09:51,415 --> 02:09:53,455
Speaker 6: tell you what the one upside to all of the

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Speaker 6: recent heavy rain, and that the garden, the lawn, which

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Speaker 6: has been at my place anyway just absolutely miserable for

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02:10:01,335 --> 02:10:04,175
Speaker 6: most of the summer, has burst back into life. So

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Speaker 6: that's on my list for this week as well well.

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Speaker 6: Radio gardening questions galore. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

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02:10:11,055 --> 02:10:13,135
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call back.

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Speaker 18: In a moment, News Talk said extra, there are some

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Speaker 18: strange calculations that the White House has done when it

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Speaker 18: came to calculating who was going to get hit with

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Speaker 18: these tariffs?

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Speaker 4: They what have they done? Strangely Well, it was quite bisire.

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Speaker 15: The essentially said, any country that has a trade deficit

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Speaker 15: that can be resolved with terriffs. Now that's not really

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02:10:32,095 --> 02:10:35,215
Speaker 15: how tariffs were. Usually what you have is somebody will

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02:10:35,255 --> 02:10:38,215
Speaker 15: impose a tax on a particular type of product from

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Speaker 15: a particular type of country. But the Americans, or their

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02:10:41,495 --> 02:10:43,735
Speaker 15: White House in this instance, has taken the view that

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Speaker 15: if you have a trade deficit, it must be because

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Speaker 15: you have tariffs. Now New Zealand does not impose tariffs

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Speaker 15: on American products.

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Speaker 4: And also it seems like he's used he's used trade

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Speaker 4: deficits in some examples.

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Speaker 6: And no, I think I saw something in the gas,

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02:10:55,975 --> 02:10:58,255
Speaker 6: all of it. It's all of it, and it's all

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Speaker 6: of it.

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Speaker 18: So instead of looking at a tariffs, he's just looked at,

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Speaker 18: for instance, I think China the goods trade deficit. He's

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Speaker 18: simply he's taken a half of what it is and

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Speaker 18: come up down from sixty seven percent to thirty four percent.

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Speaker 4: That was a news Talk ZEDB extra.

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