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Speaker 1: Bary So senior political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, Yes,

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Speaker 1: so Barry. I mean, if it was like that yesterday

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Speaker 1: when with the first reading, what's it going to be

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Speaker 1: like when the hequarose.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly, I know there's a lot of worry around

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Speaker 2: Parliament about what could happen then because there will be

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people on the front.

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Speaker 1: Lawn and it's a Malori Party organized event.

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Speaker 2: It is a common thing, party organized. It's interesting that

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Speaker 2: yesterday the public galleries were clearly full of Maldi Party supporters.

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Speaker 2: Now you can block you can go online and block

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Speaker 2: book those seats in the public galleries in Parliament, and

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Speaker 2: there were block bookings yesterday not under the name of

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Speaker 2: the Maldi Party, so there was no way of knowing

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Speaker 2: where these block bookings related to, and they in fact

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Speaker 2: obviously were organized by the Maldi Party. What the Speaker,

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Speaker 2: as I understand it, is going to do next Tuesday

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Speaker 2: is to ensure that anyone who comes into the public

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Speaker 2: gallery will have to be carrying ID, what kind of ID,

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Speaker 2: well personal ID. They'll have to show you who they

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Speaker 2: claim they are, that they actually are. And if you've

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Speaker 2: got agitators like we had yesterday in Parliament, likelihood is

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Speaker 2: they probably won't get in. There is a big concern here, Heather,

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Speaker 2: because I've never seen anything from the public galleries that

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Speaker 2: took place yesterday. And there's a danger as well because

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Speaker 2: if you let the public in, you never know what

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Speaker 2: can happen to the elected representatives below. So they've got

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Speaker 2: to have a safe working environment. And yesterday, if I

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Speaker 2: was sitting in the House of Parliament, I wouldn't feel

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Speaker 2: that safe. And I think what you'll find next Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a controversial day anyway, despite what's

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Speaker 2: happening outside Parliament that you'll probably find up to five

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Speaker 2: MPs will be sent to the Privileges Committee. Now, it's

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Speaker 2: really interesting because the Labor Party voted against the suspension

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Speaker 2: of the Young maldimp yesterday and they sit on the

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Speaker 2: Privileges Committee, So what are they going to do about

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Speaker 2: people that are now going to be referred to the

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Speaker 2: Privileges Committee. They can hardly say that you know they've

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Speaker 2: done wrong when they voted against suspension already. So look,

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Speaker 2: it's a bit of a mess at Parliament at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and I think there'll be a lot of reflection about

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Speaker 2: what happened yesterday, and certainly there'll be a significant move

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Speaker 2: to ensure that it doesn't happen again. And I say

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Speaker 2: here here to that because I think the sanctity of

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Speaker 2: Parliament should in some way be maintained, and it certainly

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Speaker 2: hasn't been. I think the standards in that place they've

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Speaker 2: dropped since dare I say it, my old mate Trevor

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Speaker 2: Millard was the speaker there because he allowed a relaxation

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Speaker 2: of dress standards. So now you've got t shirts, you've

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Speaker 2: got sneakers, as you saw Ray White to Tea when

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Speaker 2: he was intimidating David Seymour yesterday with the haka. It's

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Speaker 2: once you drop those standards. And I made it sound

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Speaker 2: like an old fuddy duddy, but you know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to have certain standards in Parliament is, you know, the

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Speaker 2: law making place and the center of democracy in this country,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry it was sorely lacked.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with the point that I made though

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Speaker 1: at the start of the program, which was this is

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Speaker 1: not going to go away. There's nothing you can actually

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Speaker 1: do to stop this because as long as bad behavior

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Speaker 1: like we saw yesterday is rewarded on, you know, with

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Speaker 1: extensive media coverage and social media traction then and then

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Speaker 1: polls rising and their voters coming over. These parties are incentivized.

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Speaker 2: Well, the only way you can make it go away,

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Speaker 2: of course, is if you carried out the threat that

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Speaker 2: John Key made back when before he became Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight he wanted to do away

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Speaker 2: with all the Maldy seats.

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Speaker 1: Now I disagree with you because it Marti Party problem.

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Speaker 2: No, let me finish the Maori Party seat. The agitators

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Speaker 2: in this place at the moment. The people that are

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Speaker 2: totally out of order in this place at the moment

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Speaker 2: are those who belong to the Maldi.

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Speaker 1: Willie Jackson belongs to label.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's an outlier, and there was you remember

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of criticism bringing Willie Jackson into

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Speaker 2: Parliament in the first place. He was brought in by

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Speaker 2: Andrew Little despite a lot of opposition from his colleagues.

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Speaker 2: So you know, when you let ravel into parliament, you're

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Speaker 2: going to get this sort of behavior. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's a sorry day for democracy in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: the sanctity of parliament.

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Speaker 1: Can I just give you my alternative on this, which

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Speaker 1: is I do not think this is a Maori Party problem.

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Speaker 1: I just think the Maori Party are smart enough to

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Speaker 1: have realized that they can emulate what Trump is doing

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Speaker 1: with kind of with with bad behavior, bad manners and

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Speaker 1: therefore getting media attention. Even if you got rid of

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Speaker 1: the Marria and got rid of the Marti Party, there

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Speaker 1: will be another party that will that will do the

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Speaker 1: same thing.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never seen anything like it, so that you know,

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Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily follow that. You know, people that do

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Speaker 2: get elected to parliament normally they're quite responsible and they

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Speaker 2: normally see that this is a fairly significant role and

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Speaker 2: a place to work in. Not what we saw yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What's going on at Apek? Well, you know, I say,

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Speaker 1: actually who cares?

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Speaker 2: But Scholgham is chaps holidaying on government money. Apek is

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Speaker 2: aging politicians expecting cocktails, so there will be a lot

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Speaker 2: of cocktail clinking glasses.

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Speaker 1: He's lux and will be glad he's there. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: Luxe and will be glad he's there.

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Speaker 2: Well, he'll be glad because he's got a one on

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Speaker 2: one with the Chinese president. That's a good thing for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand in terms of our trade. He'll be no

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Speaker 2: doubt speaking to Biden as well, but trade should be

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Speaker 2: our focus. Whether anything comes out of it, it'll be

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Speaker 2: like your usual APEC meetings. A very weighty document will

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Speaker 2: follow it, but nothing will come of it.

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Speaker 1: Very thanks, very much. Well wrap the political week that

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Speaker 1: was with you later on about quarter past six. It's

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Speaker 1: very sober Senior political correspondence.

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