1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B. 3 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:15,707 Speaker 2: Richard Hadley was unveiled as one of the first eleven 4 00:00:15,747 --> 00:00:18,947 Speaker 2: inductees into New Zealand Crickets Hall of Fame. After that 5 00:00:19,067 --> 00:00:22,147 Speaker 2: induction ceremony on Thursday night, I had the chance to 6 00:00:22,147 --> 00:00:25,027 Speaker 2: speak with Sir Richard Hadley. Sir Richard Hadley, it. 7 00:00:24,987 --> 00:00:26,787 Speaker 3: Seems to me as though when they were putting together 8 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:28,987 Speaker 3: the inaugural inductees, your name was going to be near 9 00:00:29,027 --> 00:00:31,027 Speaker 3: the top of the list. How do you reflect on 10 00:00:31,107 --> 00:00:34,827 Speaker 3: your cricket career and it's totality first of all, when 11 00:00:34,867 --> 00:00:37,227 Speaker 3: you think back to those many great moments. 12 00:00:37,427 --> 00:00:39,187 Speaker 4: Oh, look, I had a wonderful time in the game 13 00:00:39,187 --> 00:00:43,867 Speaker 4: of cricket in an eighteen year international career, a twenty 14 00:00:43,947 --> 00:00:45,187 Speaker 4: year first class career. 15 00:00:46,027 --> 00:00:47,707 Speaker 5: Very proud of what I've been able. 16 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:51,947 Speaker 4: To achieve a lot of significant milestones personally. 17 00:00:52,307 --> 00:00:53,787 Speaker 5: But collectively as a team too. 18 00:00:54,267 --> 00:00:56,507 Speaker 4: Played in an era in the seventies and eighties when 19 00:00:56,547 --> 00:00:59,747 Speaker 4: we were doing many firsts in the. 20 00:00:59,667 --> 00:01:00,747 Speaker 5: History of New Zealand cricket. 21 00:01:01,067 --> 00:01:03,227 Speaker 4: When you beat Australia for the first time as we 22 00:01:03,307 --> 00:01:07,867 Speaker 4: did at Lancaster Partment seventy four, beating England for the 23 00:01:07,907 --> 00:01:10,107 Speaker 4: first time at the base in Reserve and Wellington and 24 00:01:10,187 --> 00:01:14,307 Speaker 4: seventy eight, and then we had significant first victories offshore, 25 00:01:14,827 --> 00:01:17,987 Speaker 4: beating England in eighty three at Headingly, and then we 26 00:01:18,067 --> 00:01:21,347 Speaker 4: had won the series there in eighty six and beating 27 00:01:21,387 --> 00:01:24,187 Speaker 4: Australia and Australia for the first time in eighty five 28 00:01:24,307 --> 00:01:27,187 Speaker 4: six the Gabattez went on to take the series to win. 29 00:01:27,507 --> 00:01:32,707 Speaker 4: So those significant firsts will always outweigh personal milestones, and 30 00:01:32,827 --> 00:01:35,027 Speaker 4: people tend to remember when you'd done things for the 31 00:01:35,067 --> 00:01:38,787 Speaker 4: first time. But as far as runs and wickets, we're 32 00:01:38,787 --> 00:01:41,427 Speaker 4: concerned if you play the games and you bowl the 33 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:43,987 Speaker 4: balls and you're going to get wickets. If you're out 34 00:01:44,027 --> 00:01:46,547 Speaker 4: there batting, you're going to accumulate runs. And in my 35 00:01:46,667 --> 00:01:49,947 Speaker 4: career accumulated a lot of runs and a lot of wickets, 36 00:01:50,027 --> 00:01:54,187 Speaker 4: and I can look back with fond memories and great 37 00:01:54,227 --> 00:01:56,307 Speaker 4: pride of what I was able to achieve. On an 38 00:01:56,307 --> 00:01:57,827 Speaker 4: individual basis, we. 39 00:01:57,907 --> 00:02:00,547 Speaker 3: Talk about some of those performances that I went over 40 00:02:00,587 --> 00:02:03,307 Speaker 3: England out here for the first time nineteen seventy eight. 41 00:02:04,267 --> 00:02:06,147 Speaker 3: You know, Richard Collins obviously not to have a Jeff 42 00:02:06,147 --> 00:02:08,147 Speaker 3: Boy but then you did the damage with six for 43 00:02:08,267 --> 00:02:12,387 Speaker 3: twenty six. Where does that particular test rate beating England? 44 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:17,747 Speaker 4: Well, it was significant in fact, Richard Collins, we needed 45 00:02:17,787 --> 00:02:20,347 Speaker 4: a miracle basically because we got bowled out cheaply in 46 00:02:20,387 --> 00:02:23,107 Speaker 4: the second innings in the England and you need one 47 00:02:23,187 --> 00:02:26,707 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty seven to win, and we were walking 48 00:02:26,747 --> 00:02:30,587 Speaker 4: down the steps onto the field to play and we're. 49 00:02:30,027 --> 00:02:32,067 Speaker 5: Being booed at. We're being jeered a bit. 50 00:02:32,507 --> 00:02:36,467 Speaker 4: Because the spectators are saying, well, you're blowing again. He's 51 00:02:36,507 --> 00:02:38,947 Speaker 4: in and you put yourself in a position of winning 52 00:02:38,947 --> 00:02:41,387 Speaker 4: and you've just let the opposition back in the game. 53 00:02:41,947 --> 00:02:45,387 Speaker 4: And I remember saying to Richard Collins, look, Rock, we 54 00:02:45,427 --> 00:02:48,587 Speaker 4: need something sensational to happen. Well, the thing that was 55 00:02:48,627 --> 00:02:52,747 Speaker 4: sensational was Boycott being knocked over for a duck and so. 56 00:02:52,667 --> 00:02:55,067 Speaker 5: They were one for none and Rock picked up the. 57 00:02:55,027 --> 00:02:58,307 Speaker 4: First three wickets so they were three for not many 58 00:02:58,867 --> 00:03:01,227 Speaker 4: and I hit Brian Rose on the elbow and he 59 00:03:01,307 --> 00:03:04,227 Speaker 4: decided to use his elbow to hit the ball and 60 00:03:04,307 --> 00:03:06,427 Speaker 4: so I had to retire hurt, probably with the broke 61 00:03:06,467 --> 00:03:10,507 Speaker 4: and broken arm. So effectively they were four or five 62 00:03:10,627 --> 00:03:14,227 Speaker 4: down for eighteen and Rock had done the damage and 63 00:03:14,267 --> 00:03:15,827 Speaker 4: then I was able to come in on the back 64 00:03:15,867 --> 00:03:19,627 Speaker 4: of it to pick up the next sort of four wickets. 65 00:03:19,787 --> 00:03:21,987 Speaker 4: We had to come back the next day to mop 66 00:03:22,067 --> 00:03:25,907 Speaker 4: up the tail, which took about thirty forty minutes or something, 67 00:03:26,227 --> 00:03:27,187 Speaker 4: so I ended up with six. 68 00:03:27,467 --> 00:03:28,147 Speaker 5: But the thing that. 69 00:03:28,187 --> 00:03:31,587 Speaker 4: Was quite emotional for me is that my father had 70 00:03:31,587 --> 00:03:36,347 Speaker 4: been involved with New Zealand creget since nineteen thirty seven 71 00:03:36,427 --> 00:03:38,147 Speaker 4: when he were on the first tur of England, took 72 00:03:38,187 --> 00:03:41,427 Speaker 4: the forty nine team to England as captain, and then 73 00:03:41,467 --> 00:03:44,387 Speaker 4: he was a board member and president of New Zealand 74 00:03:44,427 --> 00:03:47,707 Speaker 4: Cricket and over the years he had never seen New 75 00:03:47,787 --> 00:03:52,027 Speaker 4: Zealand beat England. And it took something like forty eight 76 00:03:52,147 --> 00:03:54,707 Speaker 4: years from our first test in nineteen thirty forty eight 77 00:03:54,787 --> 00:03:58,907 Speaker 4: tests to seventy eight to win that first game against 78 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 4: England and probably involved fifty tests that we had played 79 00:04:03,347 --> 00:04:06,027 Speaker 4: against them other nation. So be able to do it 80 00:04:06,067 --> 00:04:09,307 Speaker 4: not only for myself the team, but to fulfill an 81 00:04:09,347 --> 00:04:13,667 Speaker 4: ambition dream for him made it even more significant. 82 00:04:14,027 --> 00:04:16,107 Speaker 3: And what about wick and number three hundred out here 83 00:04:16,227 --> 00:04:19,507 Speaker 3: I sat on the bank patiently waiting for it to arrive, 84 00:04:19,587 --> 00:04:21,107 Speaker 3: and I think it was in the middle of the 85 00:04:21,107 --> 00:04:23,947 Speaker 3: middle session from memory that you finally got Alan border lbw. 86 00:04:24,147 --> 00:04:26,907 Speaker 3: Fred Goodall got his finger up. I think it's still up. Yeah, 87 00:04:27,107 --> 00:04:28,227 Speaker 3: what do you remember of that day? 88 00:04:28,787 --> 00:04:33,907 Speaker 4: Well, going into that Test, I think I needed one 89 00:04:33,987 --> 00:04:36,747 Speaker 4: wicket to get to three hundred, and there's a lot 90 00:04:36,787 --> 00:04:41,267 Speaker 4: of people wagering bets as to how many balls it 91 00:04:41,307 --> 00:04:47,547 Speaker 4: would take, how long it would be, media speculation, you know, 92 00:04:48,027 --> 00:04:51,627 Speaker 4: creating a lot of interest basically, and obviously I was 93 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,467 Speaker 4: hoping to do it in the first spell, get it 94 00:04:54,507 --> 00:04:55,107 Speaker 4: over and done with. 95 00:04:55,187 --> 00:04:56,467 Speaker 5: The players were aware of it. 96 00:04:57,627 --> 00:04:59,947 Speaker 4: All they wanted was for me to get it out 97 00:05:00,027 --> 00:05:01,667 Speaker 4: of the way so we can get on with the game. 98 00:05:01,987 --> 00:05:03,987 Speaker 5: So mid afternoon something. 99 00:05:03,787 --> 00:05:06,587 Speaker 4: Like that, Fred Goodll had his finger up befo or 100 00:05:06,627 --> 00:05:11,867 Speaker 4: even appealed that was that dead. And so when you 101 00:05:11,907 --> 00:05:16,467 Speaker 4: reach milestones like that, you're knocking off sort of targets 102 00:05:16,547 --> 00:05:19,267 Speaker 4: or goals that you have. Because when I got that 103 00:05:19,347 --> 00:05:22,467 Speaker 4: three hundred test, Wig, I was one of six now 104 00:05:23,627 --> 00:05:26,307 Speaker 4: to have got those those wickets. I was in an 105 00:05:26,307 --> 00:05:28,827 Speaker 4: elite group of bowlers in the history of the game. 106 00:05:30,067 --> 00:05:32,187 Speaker 4: But I had to knock off five who were still 107 00:05:32,227 --> 00:05:34,987 Speaker 4: in front of me. So over a period of years, 108 00:05:35,027 --> 00:05:37,507 Speaker 4: another four or five years. You knock them off one 109 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:40,107 Speaker 4: at a time and you get past in both in 110 00:05:40,187 --> 00:05:44,787 Speaker 4: which I did in India twelfth and over nineteen eighty eight. 111 00:05:45,267 --> 00:05:50,067 Speaker 4: Aaron Lale LBW remember it well. So that got me 112 00:05:50,467 --> 00:05:53,387 Speaker 4: past them both and get the three seventy four and 113 00:05:53,427 --> 00:05:55,707 Speaker 4: then there's only one goal left to keep me in 114 00:05:55,747 --> 00:05:58,347 Speaker 4: the game, and that was to get to four hundred. 115 00:05:58,387 --> 00:06:01,467 Speaker 5: Me the first to do that, and that was my Everest. 116 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:06,267 Speaker 4: And it took me eighteen years to conquer my Everest. 117 00:06:06,547 --> 00:06:08,907 Speaker 4: I'm not sure how long it took Sareed Hillary to 118 00:06:08,907 --> 00:06:12,187 Speaker 4: conquer Everest. Who he might have taken, I don't know. 119 00:06:12,387 --> 00:06:14,507 Speaker 4: Was it a week, ten days, two weeks, I don't know. 120 00:06:14,787 --> 00:06:17,547 Speaker 4: It took me eighteen years to get to the top 121 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:20,987 Speaker 4: and then slither down the other side with retirement. 122 00:06:21,107 --> 00:06:23,187 Speaker 5: So now they would magic ties. 123 00:06:23,787 --> 00:06:26,947 Speaker 3: And I must ask you about the gabb nine for 124 00:06:27,067 --> 00:06:30,027 Speaker 3: fifty two. I think I could probably recite the commentary 125 00:06:30,027 --> 00:06:32,067 Speaker 3: of all nine wickets, and in fact the tenth one 126 00:06:32,307 --> 00:06:35,027 Speaker 3: Jeff Lawson caught by yourself off Vaughan Brown, might have 127 00:06:35,067 --> 00:06:39,067 Speaker 3: been his only test wigetvarn Brown. You know, yeah, another 128 00:06:39,227 --> 00:06:41,107 Speaker 3: very special Test match, Richard. 129 00:06:41,227 --> 00:06:44,267 Speaker 4: Well, it was as far as the nine wickets, we're concerned. 130 00:06:44,787 --> 00:06:47,187 Speaker 5: I had eight. I had eight in a row. 131 00:06:47,827 --> 00:06:50,427 Speaker 4: Then I took the catch to give Vaughan Brown his 132 00:06:50,467 --> 00:06:53,147 Speaker 4: first Test wicket, and people off and ass when the 133 00:06:53,147 --> 00:06:55,027 Speaker 4: ball went up in the air when Jeff laws And 134 00:06:55,067 --> 00:06:57,107 Speaker 4: swept it, and I think I was feeling at mid 135 00:06:57,507 --> 00:07:00,507 Speaker 4: mid island. I had to do ten twenty meters to 136 00:07:00,547 --> 00:07:03,307 Speaker 4: catch it around mid wicket. People said you think of 137 00:07:03,427 --> 00:07:07,707 Speaker 4: dropping it, and I said, na, what do you do 138 00:07:07,827 --> 00:07:09,427 Speaker 4: the ball goes up in the air, of course you 139 00:07:09,587 --> 00:07:12,387 Speaker 4: catch it, So that thought never entered my mind. 140 00:07:12,587 --> 00:07:14,147 Speaker 5: So that happened. 141 00:07:14,187 --> 00:07:16,827 Speaker 4: Then I came back and got the last to make 142 00:07:16,827 --> 00:07:20,147 Speaker 4: it ten and fortunate to get six wickets in the 143 00:07:20,147 --> 00:07:23,267 Speaker 4: second innings. Had to work hard for that border of 144 00:07:23,307 --> 00:07:26,587 Speaker 4: Matthew's got hundreds in that second innings, so it was 145 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:29,067 Speaker 4: quite a lot more harder to get wickets in the 146 00:07:29,107 --> 00:07:33,387 Speaker 4: second innings in the first, but obviously that set up 147 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:37,427 Speaker 4: a good chance of victory. When we bowled them out 148 00:07:37,427 --> 00:07:40,267 Speaker 4: for I won sixty one seventy and then we piled 149 00:07:40,307 --> 00:07:43,187 Speaker 4: on something like five hundred Martin Crow one hundred and 150 00:07:43,187 --> 00:07:46,027 Speaker 4: eighty eight, John Reid one hundred as well, so we 151 00:07:46,067 --> 00:07:49,347 Speaker 4: had a significant lead and we had plenty of time 152 00:07:49,787 --> 00:07:52,387 Speaker 4: to bowl them out and ended up winning by an 153 00:07:52,387 --> 00:07:55,507 Speaker 4: innings and I think forty four runs to knock it 154 00:07:55,587 --> 00:07:59,067 Speaker 4: off in Australia for the first time. The Aussies went 155 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:01,947 Speaker 4: talking two months that's we're sure and we were enjoying 156 00:08:01,947 --> 00:08:05,387 Speaker 4: the moment. It was a magical moment. Lost at Sydney 157 00:08:05,787 --> 00:08:08,267 Speaker 4: and then Perth to take the series. 158 00:08:08,907 --> 00:08:13,427 Speaker 3: Just to finish the stats mentioned about the relative infrequency 159 00:08:13,467 --> 00:08:16,427 Speaker 3: of New Zealand Test wins up till when you got 160 00:08:16,467 --> 00:08:18,907 Speaker 3: your first one, and the number that you were involved 161 00:08:18,907 --> 00:08:20,907 Speaker 3: in twenty two I think was the number of Test 162 00:08:20,987 --> 00:08:24,307 Speaker 3: victories you played a part and then often a significant part. 163 00:08:25,507 --> 00:08:28,107 Speaker 3: Was that something that you were also very keen to 164 00:08:28,107 --> 00:08:32,027 Speaker 3: do to drive New Zealand to victories through your own performances. 165 00:08:32,187 --> 00:08:35,147 Speaker 4: Well, my job simply with a new ball is to 166 00:08:35,347 --> 00:08:40,467 Speaker 4: get wickets, early wickets and being really the only out 167 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:43,227 Speaker 4: and out strike bowler. We had good medium pace bowlers, 168 00:08:43,707 --> 00:08:46,427 Speaker 4: but as an attacking bowler was always having three slips 169 00:08:46,427 --> 00:08:49,307 Speaker 4: in a gully. I'm always going to get the new 170 00:08:49,347 --> 00:08:52,947 Speaker 4: ball and I'm going to bowl just before lunch, and 171 00:08:53,027 --> 00:08:56,107 Speaker 4: I'm going to bowl just after lunch, before t after tea. 172 00:08:56,507 --> 00:08:59,227 Speaker 4: When the second new ball comes, I get that the 173 00:08:59,267 --> 00:09:02,147 Speaker 4: bowl at nine, ten eleven, right, So I was always 174 00:09:02,187 --> 00:09:07,187 Speaker 4: having greater opportunities than other bowlers who really implemented me 175 00:09:07,307 --> 00:09:09,187 Speaker 4: at the other end by keeping it tight. 176 00:09:09,307 --> 00:09:11,947 Speaker 5: And sure they'd get wickets as well, no question about that. 177 00:09:13,347 --> 00:09:15,107 Speaker 5: But everyone's got a. 178 00:09:15,107 --> 00:09:19,707 Speaker 4: Role in the team to play, and I always saw 179 00:09:19,787 --> 00:09:26,547 Speaker 4: myself as the aggressor the attacker, stamping my presence on 180 00:09:26,587 --> 00:09:30,027 Speaker 4: the ground in front of batsmen, that sort of thing. 181 00:09:30,427 --> 00:09:32,747 Speaker 4: And when you think about it, it's always the bowler 182 00:09:33,147 --> 00:09:37,627 Speaker 4: who dictates play. He dictates play wherever he pitches the 183 00:09:37,667 --> 00:09:41,707 Speaker 4: ball affects an outcome where the runs are scored. The 184 00:09:41,747 --> 00:09:45,107 Speaker 4: batsman lets the ball go, he plays and miss gets 185 00:09:45,147 --> 00:09:49,187 Speaker 4: it on the pad. The bowler always dictates play and 186 00:09:49,187 --> 00:09:52,067 Speaker 4: the batsman has to have a response to that. Now 187 00:09:52,107 --> 00:09:56,027 Speaker 4: that's not to say the bowler always dominates, because batsmen 188 00:09:56,187 --> 00:09:59,147 Speaker 4: also dominate, and they could score hundreds, two hundreds and 189 00:09:59,147 --> 00:10:04,387 Speaker 4: three hundreds. So my mentality was to accept the responsibility attack, 190 00:10:04,467 --> 00:10:07,067 Speaker 4: try and get wickets, and and the guys in a 191 00:10:07,147 --> 00:10:10,667 Speaker 4: supporting role with particularly in catching behind the wicket, were 192 00:10:10,747 --> 00:10:15,187 Speaker 4: hugely significant in the successes I had because if you're 193 00:10:15,227 --> 00:10:18,067 Speaker 4: catching at ninety ninety five percent. You're going to win 194 00:10:18,187 --> 00:10:21,147 Speaker 4: games and bowlers are going to get wickets. But if 195 00:10:21,147 --> 00:10:25,707 Speaker 4: you're dropping eight catches at in inns, dare I say it, 196 00:10:26,787 --> 00:10:30,347 Speaker 4: you're always behind the game. So collectively we all had 197 00:10:30,427 --> 00:10:34,827 Speaker 4: roles minus the bowl and get wickets. Others were to 198 00:10:35,187 --> 00:10:37,987 Speaker 4: do whatever they had to do, but fielding was vital 199 00:10:38,427 --> 00:10:39,987 Speaker 4: in the successes that I had. 200 00:10:40,427 --> 00:10:43,267 Speaker 3: Four hundred and thirty one of them, so many significant moments. 201 00:10:43,267 --> 00:10:45,987 Speaker 3: Sir Richard, congratulations on your induction and thank you for 202 00:10:45,987 --> 00:10:46,907 Speaker 3: taking the time for a chat. 203 00:10:46,987 --> 00:10:50,907 Speaker 1: Pleas, thank you for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 204 00:10:51,027 --> 00:10:54,307 Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talk z B weekends from midday, 205 00:10:54,587 --> 00:10:56,667 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio