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Speaker 2: Hello there you, good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks v June seven, Happy birthday and a corner covert.

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Speaker 2: Happy Birthday Shane Bond and happy birthday birthday, former All

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Speaker 2: Black and now our foremost rugby analyst here on ZEDB

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Speaker 2: and Strawn. I hope you're having a great day mate.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald's show producer. We're talking sport

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Speaker 2: with you until three. The Crusaders have officially put twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four behind them, back.

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Speaker 3: To Sibery rees and he boots it over there South

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Speaker 3: Bridstad and the Crusaders through to the semi finals and

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Speaker 3: their almighty hope playoff record remains thirty wins of the

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Speaker 3: Trots and finals. Football at christ Church full time thirty

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Speaker 3: two plays twelve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck anyone going to christ Church next weekend

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Speaker 2: and trying to win a game of Rugby. That could

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Speaker 2: be the Blues, could be the Brumbies, could be the Hurricanes.

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Speaker 2: Depending on tonight's results, we'll cover off Crusaders Reds for

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Speaker 2: you after one. Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley is

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Speaker 2: also on the show today to explain this finals format.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they gone this way with the lucky loser

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Speaker 2: and the Chiefs knowing that regardless of tonight they'll go

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Speaker 2: through all of that stuff. We'll get you to Hamilton

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Speaker 2: as well before we close the show to preview that

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Speaker 2: latest installment of the Battle of the bomb Bays Chiefs Blues.

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Speaker 2: Our match commentator Graham Minty Mead will set the scene

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Speaker 2: for you before three o'clock. Leading us off today though,

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Speaker 2: is new black Caps coach Rob Walter. He's standing by

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Speaker 2: for a chat about his appointment, the challenges ahead, the

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Speaker 2: priorities he sees as he takes the job on, and

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Speaker 2: I'm very keen to get your views on the legacy

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Speaker 2: of Gary Stead as black Caps coach. He leaves with

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Speaker 2: a record better than any of his predecessors, but oddly

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Speaker 2: enough he's still somewhat polarizing, isn't he? Your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: Gary Steed's legacy This hour other matters around today. Tom

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Speaker 2: Walsh has won the men's shot put at the latter's

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Speaker 2: Diamond League events in Rome. He's in for a chat

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Speaker 2: the All Whites in Canada for matches against Coache du

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Speaker 2: Voir tomorrow morning. Ukraine. On Wednesday, veteran defender Michael Boxel

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Speaker 2: on the show after two Adam Peacock on Australian sporting

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Speaker 2: matters including the sacking by Tottenham of Australian coach and

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Speaker 2: Posta Cooglu overnight. What has Adam Peacock make of all

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Speaker 2: of this? Paul Colet semi final band at the British

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Speaker 2: Squash Open, He's beaten England's Marwan el Shaw Bargee in

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Speaker 2: straight games and their quarter finals is going to take

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Speaker 2: on second seed Diego Elias and the semi early hours

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Speaker 2: of tomorrow morning, New Zealand time from the tennis as well,

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Speaker 2: just updating them on all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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Speaker 2: Yannick Sinner dashing Novak Djokovic's hopes of a record breaking

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth Grand Slam, the Italian winning in straight sets

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Speaker 2: and their freendch Open semi and so Sinner will face

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Speaker 2: defending champion Carlos el Karaz in the final on Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: Women's final tonight Arena Sabalenka against Coco Goff. So the

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Speaker 2: top two seeds have made the final in both the

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Speaker 2: men's and women's singles, so I've clearly got the seedings right.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you to Paris tomorrow on the show. And

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Speaker 2: we haven't forgotten the Warriors. Don't worry, we haven't gotten

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Speaker 2: the Warriors. We know that they play the Sharks in

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Speaker 2: Sydney tonight at seven thirty. Again, we will cover that

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Speaker 2: for you on the show tomorrow. We would love for

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Speaker 1: The scoop from the track field and the court on

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Speaker 5: Me wide of the grease.

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Speaker 6: Taylor whips it away on the onside out towards the boundary.

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Speaker 6: It's going away for four and New Zealand have won.

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Speaker 6: The team in the dressing room are celebrating stand tall

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Speaker 6: for the black Caps. Salutes the first ever World Test

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Speaker 6: Championship winners. Our team is at the top of the world,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The undoubted high point of Gary Stead's seven year

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Speaker 2: First of all, what sort of shape do you perceive

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Speaker 4: Thanks?

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Speaker 5: So, I appreciate that, Jason.

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Speaker 8: I look, I suppose results really speak for themselves. I

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Speaker 8: I've done some pretty iconic things in the last six years.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, from my point of view, the teams in

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Speaker 5: And that's already there.

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Speaker 2: And I guess that is a nice lead into my

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Speaker 8: I think it's exactly that I think it's to come

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Speaker 5: I know the system relatively well. But I think you.

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Speaker 8: So it's to build, you know, to build a relationships

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Speaker 2: At the elite level, the elite international level, which is

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Speaker 5: I guess depends on what level. You know.

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Speaker 8: And you're more experienced campaigner who's probably become aware of

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Speaker 5: This largely is mental.

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Speaker 8: So for me it's really you know, managing the process

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Speaker 5: Of the evolution.

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Speaker 8: And what is obvious is that the cricket will it

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Speaker 8: understanding of of things needs to change and be cognizant

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Speaker 5: Obviously, the leagues or a big full factor. But yeah,

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Speaker 8: Want to believe that playing for the black Caps is

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Speaker 8: that you know that the reality around the financial pulls

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Speaker 8: getting that balance right will obviously be tough. It's unknown territory,

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Speaker 2: Well, congrats Rob on being a pointed black Caps coach.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to chatting often over the next few years.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: I look forward to take it.

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Speaker 2: No, you take care to Rob Thanks and day. That's

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Speaker 2: Rob Walter, Bland, new Black Caps coach. Your chance to

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Speaker 2: I liked what he was saying there. It's a very

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Speaker 11: can actually be detrimental to the progress of the team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that I agree with any ceo

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Speaker 2: who hangs around for too long. Bevan, Absolutely, you're supposed

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Speaker 2: to come in, aren't you for seven or eight years,

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Speaker 2: make your mark and then move in any industry sports,

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Speaker 2: no different. Yeah, so yeah, Scott winning, I think is

442
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Speaker 2: early in his tenure. I think he's doing a good job.

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Speaker 2: He's got to oversee this appointment and we wait to

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Speaker 2: see how that goes. New director of high performance as well,

445
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Speaker 2: you know, the changing landscape. But yeah, the coach captain

446
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Speaker 2: relationship is so important, and cricket isn't it more so

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Speaker 2: perhaps than you know, if you think of the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks or the All Whites or the Silver Ferns or

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Speaker 2: any other team. Cricket is a game in which I

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Speaker 2: think the coach probably takes more of a backward seat

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Speaker 2: than a lot of other sports. That they're often not

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Speaker 2: the one who's making all the decisions on the field,

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Speaker 2: you know, at halftime in a rugby match, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: the coach is the loudest voice at a tea breaker,

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Speaker 2: a lunch breaking. Cricket, I doubt that it is the

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Speaker 2: coach very different, I know, but yeah, that's that's my

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Speaker 2: guard on it. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Take a couple more calls in a moment, get a

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Speaker 2: breakaway twenty nine away from one there risk one s

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Speaker 2: be a line there. I eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty back in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Jason listening to Rob, I like him. Seems well balanced

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Speaker 2: and not eligible all the best time. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your text.

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Speaker 12: Hello Allen, Yeah, Hi funny, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Thanks many?

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Speaker 12: I am just talking about I guess his legacy states legacy.

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Speaker 12: I think we've really got a benchmark any coach's performance

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Speaker 12: against our very first coach, which was Glenn Turner, because

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Speaker 12: under his oversight, New Zealand won two Test series overseas

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Speaker 12: against opponents that we hard had ever beaten before, and

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Speaker 12: that was Australia in England and they had some really

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Speaker 12: good players and he was a strong personality and nowadays

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Speaker 12: was you know, cricket so fragmented as it is across

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Speaker 12: the formats. You wonder whether what the coach is there

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Speaker 12: to do?

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Speaker 4: You know, And.

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Speaker 12: It's almost like with the Australian cricketers, you know, marsh

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Speaker 12: and Lilly used to say that they thought the team

484
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Speaker 12: coach is what they drove them to get to the

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Speaker 12: ground and that they pretty much sort of ran things

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Speaker 12: the way they wanted because really players don't seem to

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Speaker 12: They have to take responsibility for their own individual performance

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Speaker 12: in terms of techniques and strengths and weaknesses. So what

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Speaker 12: is the coach there to do now?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 12: Is he there for strategy or what?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 12: You know, how hard is it to be a good

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Speaker 12: coach when it''t really hard to define what the role

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Speaker 12: is compared to what it used to be when you

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Speaker 12: just had a coach Alah, Glen Turner, you know, there

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Speaker 12: were no other people involved. They didn't even have bowling coaches,

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Speaker 12: they just had the coach. So what is the coach

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Speaker 12: there to do these days?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question. Could I suggest that they

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Speaker 2: are an enabler? I think is trying to just yes,

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Speaker 2: And you look at Brenda mccullums influence in the England

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Speaker 2: team Allen and the way he's enabled them and energized

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Speaker 2: them and basically let them play unencumbered under a strategy

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Speaker 2: that I'm sure he's come up with. So I think

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Speaker 2: in enabler Yeah, Like I said, I don't think they're

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Speaker 2: teaching them how to play a better cover drive or

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Speaker 2: bowler better and swinger. I think a lot of it

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Speaker 2: is to do with just just enabling them to be

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Speaker 2: the best they can be, by creating an environment and

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Speaker 2: a framework within which that can be possible.

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Speaker 12: So they're not really a coach, then, are they?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, not in the typical sense. No,

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Speaker 2: I think you're did right.

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Speaker 12: They might be a facilitator or something like that, perhaps

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Speaker 12: because of the resources that are available now. Whereas my

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Speaker 12: point is that Glen Turner was the coach and so

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Speaker 12: he drove a lot of the ways that the team performed,

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Speaker 12: whereas stead, yeah, it facilitates, and I guess the new

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Speaker 12: guy got to do the same and massage egos, I guess,

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Speaker 12: and get people on board.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon Glenn Turner on those tours that you

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Speaker 2: talked about, eighty five in Australia, eighty six to England,

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Speaker 2: you know, periods of real success with the red ball.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he was coaching during that time. Do

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Speaker 2: you think he was and Martin Crowe was magnificent during

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Speaker 2: that period. Do you think he was working with Martin

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Speaker 2: crow on his batting during that time?

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Speaker 4: I presume he was, without doubt.

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Speaker 12: I mean, without doubt he would have been working with

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Speaker 12: batsman for technique against fast bawling, for sure and captaincy

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Speaker 12: because he had probably the most experience in a professional

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Speaker 12: capacity and probably still has of any other player that's

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Speaker 12: represented New Zealand, maybe Hadley excluded, but across a professional

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Speaker 12: career at a time when I guess we were in

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Speaker 12: transition from amateur to professional. Without doubt, was a very

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Speaker 12: strong personality, and I think there were some clashes, you know,

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Speaker 12: especially with Hadley, and I think Coney was probably as

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Speaker 12: captain alongside Glenn Turner more in terms of the strategy,

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Speaker 12: but he definitely said the way things started on the field,

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Speaker 12: no question.

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Speaker 2: Interesting then, as an opening batsman, how would he have

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Speaker 2: for example, during that time you mentioned Richard Hadley and

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure he needed a lot of coaching, but

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Speaker 2: younger bowlers coming into the team during that time, how

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Speaker 2: would Glenn Turner have gone? You know, because he was

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Speaker 2: an opening batsman, he never Bowld to my knowledge, how

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Speaker 2: would he have gone coaching bowlers under more traditional coaching sense.

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Speaker 12: Probably in terms of their thought processes, and perhaps Hardley

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Speaker 12: had something to.

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Speaker 4: Do with that.

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Speaker 12: I don't know. I mean, who do we have? We

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Speaker 12: had Charlie Chatfield, Gary Truth, Danny Morrison? Who else was

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Speaker 12: there at the time.

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Speaker 2: And that eighty five sort of Yeah, Martin Sender was

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Speaker 2: in and around that time. Yeah, chats as you say,

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Speaker 2: Lance Ken's you know, those that was a pretty experienced cohort,

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Speaker 2: wasn't it? As I say their names.

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Speaker 12: Those guys were driven. I mean they had you know,

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Speaker 12: as we well know as well documented.

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Speaker 4: He didn't need to be told what to do because.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 12: Very well programmed into what he what he felt he

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Speaker 12: needed to do in terms of professional targets and attitude.

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Speaker 12: And I think that rubbed off on some of the players.

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Speaker 12: But a guy like Charlie Chatfield, I mean, how do

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Speaker 12: you coach a metronome, you know, because that's what he

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Speaker 12: was and he was a perfect oil for I mean,

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Speaker 12: he was probably responsible for about one hundred of Hadley's

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Speaker 12: wickets because of the perfection that he brought to his game.

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Speaker 12: So I think that in terms of teaching batsman how

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Speaker 12: to play fast bowling as a top batsman. And we've

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Speaker 12: got to remember this guy. He's in the top fifty

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Speaker 12: of all time runs scored.

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Speaker 4: In history.

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Speaker 12: So you can't not listen to a guy like that.

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Speaker 12: But also that would feed off on the bowlers. By definition,

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Speaker 12: talking and understanding how batsman should be defending and attacking

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Speaker 12: fast bowling also gives you an insight as a bowler.

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Speaker 12: So I think they probably collectively picked up a lot

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Speaker 12: of information and then feed off the attitudes of the professionals,

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Speaker 12: which there were only two John Wright and Richard Hadley

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Speaker 12: that were full time professionals in that squad the rest.

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Speaker 2: Ellen. Yeah, so I've got to move mate, But great

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Speaker 2: points well made. Thank you for calling in. I'm enjoyed

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Speaker 2: listening to you. Yeah, you've made some very good points.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know what, I'd forgotten that Glenn Turner

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Speaker 2: was the coach in nineteen eighty five when they went

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Speaker 2: over and beat Azzie over there, you know the Hadley series.

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Speaker 2: I'd forgotten there his coach, which goes to Joe perhaps

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Speaker 2: or proves the points. Ellison, Hello, were you're.

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Speaker 13: Still publishing a halo? You didn't really one of the rated. Congratulations,

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Speaker 13: thank you Ellison. Yeah, I love you, Enthuviasan for the

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Speaker 13: football head and all those commentaries, and you're fantastic doing

595
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Speaker 13: all that, and I've got to say they'd be very successful. Well,

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Speaker 13: I don't know why they couldn't split it between the

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Speaker 13: two of them there. I think because they split the

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Speaker 13: captaincy on those ones for the for the team, why

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Speaker 13: couldn't they split the coaches. I couldn't understand why they

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Speaker 13: couldn't have done that.

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Speaker 2: Now I guess the reason the reason they gave, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: or there's a couple of reasons that they gave. I

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Speaker 2: think that the fact, well, there was a couple of

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Speaker 2: that I heard anyway, Eliston. One was that we got

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Speaker 2: quite a small player, Paul, so a lot of players

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Speaker 2: do cross over among the two, so that's, you know,

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Speaker 2: the chance for those players to hear the one voice.

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Speaker 2: The other point that was made, and I thought this

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Speaker 2: was interesting by John Bracewell when I heard him during

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Speaker 2: the week on the radio, was that he thought that

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Speaker 2: there might be the possibility that that if there was

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Speaker 2: two coaches, one for White and one for Red, that

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Speaker 2: they would almost be in competition with one another for

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Speaker 2: the players.

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Speaker 13: Could be but a little bit there. Yep, yep, just

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Speaker 13: quite to say quite about the tap boyts, right are

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Speaker 13: the tactics Ali Bergert one hundred percent the other day

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Speaker 13: fantastic stick and looking forward to the playing today and

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Speaker 13: in the tennis, I'll say, go Coca, I think Coco Goth.

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Speaker 13: I hope she wins the tennis. Fine, I think he's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I do too, Ellison. I hope she wins as well.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure she'll remember her rackets, which she didn't

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Speaker 2: in her first round match. They eventually turned up. Yep.

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Speaker 2: She'll play Arena Sabalinka in the in the final of

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Speaker 2: the women's singles in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: Great text through here from Charles Jason gary Stead. There's

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Speaker 2: only one metric look at the results. Do we criticize

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Speaker 2: the late Sir Edmund Hillary because he was driven? No,

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Speaker 2: we remember his feats as the conqueror of Everest. Stead

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Speaker 2: conquered his Everest three nil against India in India. He

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Speaker 2: towers over all other coaches and guide in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: cricket through its golden age. Allow the man as foibles

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Speaker 2: and weaknesses, but honor his strength on bended knee love it, Charles,

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Speaker 2: great text, Thank you very much, indeed I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Of course there are other counterpoints. A text through here

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Speaker 2: after a fantastic and gritty career from someone who changed

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Speaker 2: country allegiances, says John. The treatment of Neil Wagner by

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Speaker 2: Stead was unforgivable.

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Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I think that is probably a misstep in his career.

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Speaker 2: And to finish from Peter in regards to step, to

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Speaker 2: my mind, his results are even more remarkable because of

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Speaker 2: the small depth of the player pool he had to

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Speaker 2: work with. Thank you, Peter, much appreciator. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: all your calls and your correspondents. I get a breakaway

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Speaker 2: when we come back. We're off to Rome where Tom

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Speaker 2: Walsh has won the Diamond League shot Port events. This morning,

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Speaker 2: a few hours ago he did. He's standing by the chatoists.

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Speaker 2: Tom Walsh on the radio after.

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Speaker 1: This, you be the TMO and your say on eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport with Jason Hin

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Speaker 1: and GJ. Garvnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be news talks, He'll be Tom Walsh has won

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Speaker 2: the men's shot put at the latest Diamond League event

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Speaker 2: in Rome.

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Speaker 14: This is Tom Walsh, the New Zealander, still in great form.

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Speaker 14: Of course, that's pretty good as well.

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Speaker 15: Very close to twenty.

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Speaker 14: Two meters now, that would be as good as he's done.

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Speaker 14: All yeah, so far, pointing to the camera, said there

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Speaker 14: you go, Tom Walsh, early on setting a mark here.

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Speaker 2: One or two of the big names.

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Speaker 14: Have yet to really get the season going.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one eighty nine for the New Zealander. That puts

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Speaker 2: him in an early lead here, which he held on

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Speaker 2: to a season base twenty one point eight nine meters

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Speaker 2: for Tom Walsh. She joins us. Now, thanks for joining us, Tom,

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Speaker 2: congratulations mate. How do you evaluate what played out in

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Speaker 2: Rome earlier tonight? Your time?

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Speaker 7: Thank you?

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Speaker 16: Thanks finding mate. Look, it was I was really happy

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Speaker 16: with it. I think you will Chim Sashira in September,

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Speaker 16: so quite late. So I think a lot of guys

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Speaker 16: are in the same boat with us, figuring it out again,

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Speaker 16: figuring out how to make it go a long way.

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Speaker 16: And you know what I wanted from today's comp was to,

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Speaker 16: you know, give myself six good, good goals, are throwing

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Speaker 16: it a long way, and that's exactly what I managed.

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Speaker 4: To do.

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Speaker 7: I did.

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Speaker 16: I did fiddle with one in round two that wasn't

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Speaker 16: the greatest, but the other five throws were a real

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Speaker 16: good roll of the dice and in a real good

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Speaker 16: attempt at making the ball go a long way. So yeah,

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Speaker 16: well twenty one eight nine was you was your winning throw.

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Speaker 16: That was your first throw. That is that typical for

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Speaker 16: you that you throw your furthest.

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Speaker 2: On the first.

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Speaker 16: It's a real mixed bag with me, mate, So it's

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Speaker 16: really just whatever what really just whatever happens. So yeah,

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Speaker 16: as I said, I just wanted to have some good

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Speaker 16: cracks at the throwing a long way and that's exactly

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Speaker 16: what I managed to do. I didn't manage to put

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Speaker 16: them together, but there was some real good parts of

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Speaker 16: some of the other throws and some not so good parts.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, it was It's a good, good comp mate,

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Speaker 16: good good step in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Can you just unpack that for us? Tom, You know

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Speaker 2: you've got your twenty one to eight nine, So then

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Speaker 2: for the next five throws, so what sort of things

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Are you? Are you slightly tweaking things

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Speaker 2: in each of those? Just unpacked that for us?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to really do mate

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Speaker 16: is not try I'm trying to let it go. I'm

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Speaker 16: trying to essentially just attack it and have a good

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Speaker 16: crack at it, in a free crack at it, because

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Speaker 16: as soon as I start fiddling with things, which I

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Speaker 16: did in round two, it's never a good thing as

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Speaker 16: soon as I start trying. So it's just about you know,

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Speaker 16: trying to move without freedom and that flow state that

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Speaker 16: people talk about and try and make that shot put

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Speaker 16: go as far as it can without trying to have.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, because like shot put to the most of

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Speaker 2: us and be like, you've got to give it everything.

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Speaker 2: You've got to try as hard as you possibly can.

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Speaker 2: I know it's different for you. Is that flow? Straight up? Flow?

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Speaker 2: Is that flow state something you can find yourself in

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Speaker 2: more consistently now?

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Speaker 16: It's it's the ever elusive thing, right, So it's what

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Speaker 16: we're trying to get to all the time. And you know,

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Speaker 16: the first throw it was really close to being you know,

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Speaker 16: really good and nailing that flow state, but I just

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Speaker 16: didn't quite put it together the rest of the time.

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Speaker 16: So it's yeah, it's it's the thing that we're all chasing,

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Speaker 16: the thing that we're all trying to do or trying

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Speaker 16: trying not to do, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 17: But it's it's just so tricky.

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Speaker 16: It's just like in cricket, right, if you're a fast bowler,

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Speaker 16: it's when you're bowling the fastest.

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Speaker 17: It's not when you're trying to bowl the fastest. It's

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Speaker 17: when your your rhythm and your timing is on you.

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Speaker 2: A looser flow state that a lot of athletes are chasing. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's a great result for you, Tom. So you meet

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Speaker 2: your World Champs in September. What about between now and then,

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Speaker 2: What's what's next for you?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So I've actually got essentially two months off now

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Speaker 16: until I come back over to Europe and August. So

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Speaker 16: I've actually got two months in America training there and

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Speaker 16: and kind of regrouping and doing a little bit of

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Speaker 16: a reload phase in the gym, along with probably some

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Speaker 16: more technical throwing stuff, but also you know, trying to

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Speaker 16: get into that into that you know, rhythm of throwing

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Speaker 16: you know well, and and trusting trusting the work that we've.

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Speaker 17: Done and making it ball go a long way.

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Speaker 16: And then I've got you know, four or five comps

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Speaker 16: and back in Europe you know in August to get

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Speaker 16: ready to Tokyo in September.

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Speaker 2: And have you committed to Los Angeles twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 16: I sure have, mate, You've got to put up with

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Speaker 16: me for another four years.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing I would prefer more than chatting to

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Speaker 2: you for the next three or four years as we

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Speaker 2: head to Los Angeles. Congrats on what happened in Rome

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Speaker 2: this morning, Tom, awesome to watch it play out. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for the chat mate cool Thanks Bunny, No, thank you Tom,

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Speaker 2: Tom whilst they're Diamond League champion in Rome at twenty

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Speaker 2: one point eight nine meters with his first throw the

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Speaker 2: flow state, the elusive flow straighter flow state, if I

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Speaker 2: could say it, I love talking to athletes about that

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Speaker 2: when they get to the point where it just all

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Speaker 2: happens naturally for them. Other kiwis involved in the Diamond

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Speaker 2: League event this morning in Rome included Hamish Kerr, who

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Speaker 2: unfortunately couldn't couldn't get it done this morning. He missed

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Speaker 2: all three attempts at two meters twenty three to finish

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Speaker 2: sixth in the men's high jump. Imaginaris was also involved

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Speaker 2: in the women's pole vault. She finished eighth in that

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Speaker 2: event seven and a half to one. News Talk set be.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the every fails weekends

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Speaker 1: for it with Jason yin news Talk zenby four to one.

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Speaker 2: Dave says, Jason, police help. If the Chiefs and Hurricanes

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Speaker 2: win tonight, do the Chiefs host the Brumbies and the

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Speaker 2: Seams and the Crusaders host the Hurricanes. And if the

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Speaker 2: Blues beat the Chiefs and the Hurricanes beat the Brumbies

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Speaker 2: to the Crusaders, then host the Blues and the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: host Arganes in the Semis. It's very confusing, says Dave. Dave,

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Speaker 2: You're right, it's a bit confusing, but I think you're

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Speaker 2: right on both fronts. What I've got is the is

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Speaker 2: the scenarios which can play out tonight. There are four

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Speaker 2: possible scenarios tonight, Chiefs and Brumbies win, Chiefs and Hurricanes win,

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Speaker 2: Blues and Brumbies win, Blues and Hurricanes win. So those

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Speaker 2: are the four scenarios. Here's one thing we know for

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Speaker 2: absolute sure. I'll break this down for you after one

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Speaker 2: James Marshall coming up at Sidentley assisting coach of the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: But here's one thing we know for certain. The Crusaders

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Speaker 2: and the Chiefs will host the semi finals next weekend,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what happens tonight. That might sound odd because

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs could lose, but they will still host a

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Speaker 2: semi next week. It is a bit hard to unpack.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, we'll do that.

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Speaker 1: After one's the only place to discuss the biggest sports

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Speaker 1: issues on and after field.

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Speaker 9: It's all on weekends Ford with Jason Pade on your

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Speaker 9: home of Sports News Talks.

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Speaker 2: News Talks, AB and Weekend Sport one oh seven. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine Andy McDonald as the show producer. We're n

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Speaker 2: till three after two. We'll get here to Canada where

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Speaker 2: the All Whites are. First time they've played the Whites

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Speaker 2: since they earned World Cup qualification back in March. They're

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Speaker 2: in Canada for a Canadian Shield tournament, which is quite

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Speaker 2: a cool idea. They take on Cote de Voirs the

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Speaker 2: Ivory Coast tomorrow morning at eleven, and then on Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand time at nine they'll play Ukraine. These are

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Speaker 2: two good games for the All Whites. Both those sides

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Speaker 2: are ranked in the top forty ee in the world,

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Speaker 2: so a good gauge for Darren Baisley on where his

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Speaker 2: sight is at and for the all whites players, everybody

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Speaker 2: wants to be on that plane next year, don't they

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Speaker 2: to the World Cup in the US? Mexico and Canada

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Speaker 2: ran about this time next year, Racu, You're only about

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Speaker 2: a year away. So every time the All Whites come

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Speaker 2: together now those players know they absolutely have to do

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Speaker 2: everything in their power to make sure that they are

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Speaker 2: in that squad next year. We don't know exactly yet,

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Speaker 2: and this is odd. I'll see this on the JO before.

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Speaker 2: How big the squad is for the World Cup. It's

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Speaker 2: normally twenty three and Katsa the last time it was

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Speaker 2: twenty six, but those were COVID times or just coming

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Speaker 2: out the back of COVID, so travel was still a

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Speaker 2: bit restricted around getting replacement players there. So they said, well,

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Speaker 2: you can take twenty six. Whether they stay at twenty

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Speaker 2: six or go back to twenty three remains to be

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Speaker 2: absolutely confirmed. Even if it is twenty six, good players

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Speaker 2: are still missing out on that squad. At twenty three,

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Speaker 2: even more good players are missing out. Michael box is

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Speaker 2: on the show after two o'clock to have a chat

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Speaker 2: about that and in particular his position. There are so

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Speaker 2: many good center backs around at the moment, so even

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Speaker 2: someone as established as Michael Boxel still has to do

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Speaker 2: it day in day out inside an All Whites camp.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, so football for you after two rugby's our focus.

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Speaker 2: There's our James Marshall from the Crusaders along shortly. To

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Speaker 2: answer Dave's question from before one o'clock, let me try

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Speaker 2: and simplify this in terms of the Super Rugby scenarios

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Speaker 2: as they stand. As I mentioned before, one, we now

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Speaker 2: know that the Crusaders and the Chiefs will host the

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Speaker 2: two semi finals next weekend. One will be in Hamilton,

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Speaker 2: one will be in christ Church. Regardless of what happens tonight,

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Speaker 2: we know the semis are in christ Church and Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Not quite sure which one will be on Friday, which

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Speaker 2: one will be on Satday, but those will be the venues.

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Speaker 2: The only way the Hurricanes and the Brumbis can miss

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Speaker 2: out is if the Blues beat the Chiefs. All right,

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Speaker 2: If the Chiefs beat the Blues tonight, the Hurricanes and

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Speaker 2: the Brumbies will both play semifinals. Regardless of the results

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Speaker 2: in their game later on, the winner would travel to

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Speaker 2: christ Church to play the Crusaders. The loser would head

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Speaker 2: to Hamilton to face the Blues face the Chiefs. As

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Speaker 2: far as the Blues are concerned, the Blues must win

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Speaker 2: tonight or they are out, and that has pretty much

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Speaker 2: been the case all along. So for Blues, it's last

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Speaker 2: chance saloon tonight. They simply must go to Hamilton and

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Speaker 2: beat the Chiefs if they are to continue in the

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Speaker 2: competition and continue with their title defense. That would not though,

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Speaker 2: knock the Chiefs out. The Chiefs cannot be knocked out tonight.

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Speaker 2: They will host a semi final next weekend regardless of

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Speaker 2: what happens tonight, But the Crusaders have booked a home

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific semi finalist.

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Speaker 3: Pass had just said to Kyle Preston, who won't be stopped,

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Speaker 3: let me do it once. A pit of a shame

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Speaker 3: for the Reds, but the exclamation point for the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: Here Carl Preston scoring the fifth and final try for

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Speaker 2: the Crusaders last night, and they're pretty comfortable thirty two

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Speaker 2: to twelve win over the Reds in christ Church. Crusader's

864
00:45:34,627 --> 00:45:37,587
Speaker 2: assistant coach James Marshall is with us. Have you thought

865
00:45:37,627 --> 00:45:38,147
Speaker 2: out yet?

866
00:45:39,907 --> 00:45:40,107
Speaker 7: Yeah?

867
00:45:40,107 --> 00:45:40,987
Speaker 4: It was a cold night.

868
00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:44,067
Speaker 18: My kid's feet is still to trusting. They left at halftime.

869
00:45:44,147 --> 00:45:47,427
Speaker 18: It was too much for them. But it was a

870
00:45:47,507 --> 00:45:49,707
Speaker 18: very cold night, probably suited us a little bit more

871
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:52,667
Speaker 18: than it suited them, And yeah, we got the result.

872
00:45:53,547 --> 00:45:56,787
Speaker 2: It always felt comfortable. James Will watching on anyway, be

873
00:45:56,787 --> 00:45:58,827
Speaker 2: interested to know how how you were feeling. Was there

874
00:45:58,867 --> 00:46:01,747
Speaker 2: any point during the game at which you thought you

875
00:46:01,787 --> 00:46:02,907
Speaker 2: were going to lose the game?

876
00:46:04,547 --> 00:46:06,707
Speaker 18: No, there wasn't. Actually it felt like we were in

877
00:46:06,787 --> 00:46:10,467
Speaker 18: full control. We were really dominant up front, which there's

878
00:46:10,507 --> 00:46:12,507
Speaker 18: always a good start in a game like that when

879
00:46:12,547 --> 00:46:15,587
Speaker 18: you know it's going to be quite heavy, set piece,

880
00:46:15,667 --> 00:46:18,347
Speaker 18: sort of orientated game. And I thought we kicked really

881
00:46:18,387 --> 00:46:20,587
Speaker 18: well as well, and once we got out to a lead,

882
00:46:21,547 --> 00:46:24,987
Speaker 18: they never really looked to threadn too much, so few

883
00:46:25,107 --> 00:46:29,707
Speaker 18: late tries, but by then we'd paied the bench and

884
00:46:29,787 --> 00:46:33,907
Speaker 18: rested the guys who were coming for the first came back,

885
00:46:34,187 --> 00:46:36,667
Speaker 18: got them off the field, and got through it pretty unscathed,

886
00:46:36,667 --> 00:46:37,227
Speaker 18: which was good.

887
00:46:37,747 --> 00:46:40,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, we reached the seventeen minute mark and they were

888
00:46:40,187 --> 00:46:42,987
Speaker 2: still on nil, at which point you were twenty seven

889
00:46:43,067 --> 00:46:46,107
Speaker 2: nil ahead. They only scored when you went down fourteen.

890
00:46:46,747 --> 00:46:49,867
Speaker 2: What was the the foundation for such a good defensive

891
00:46:49,907 --> 00:46:50,907
Speaker 2: performance last night?

892
00:46:52,507 --> 00:46:56,587
Speaker 18: I feel like our defensive band's been growing every week.

893
00:46:56,627 --> 00:46:59,027
Speaker 18: Met Tod's done a really good job there and I

894
00:46:59,067 --> 00:47:01,067
Speaker 18: think it was probably the least amount of tackles we've

895
00:47:01,067 --> 00:47:05,307
Speaker 18: had to make this year. Usually we've been getting through

896
00:47:05,307 --> 00:47:07,587
Speaker 18: some huge numbers on but I think just the way

897
00:47:07,587 --> 00:47:11,627
Speaker 18: we kicked and controlled the set piece definitely helped. We

898
00:47:11,627 --> 00:47:13,547
Speaker 18: weren't having to make too many peoples in our own

899
00:47:13,547 --> 00:47:16,467
Speaker 18: twenty two, which has been a bit of a trend

900
00:47:16,507 --> 00:47:19,867
Speaker 18: for us, especially the last month. So we were making

901
00:47:19,867 --> 00:47:23,587
Speaker 18: the tackles of the area of the field and it's

902
00:47:23,587 --> 00:47:26,867
Speaker 18: always a bit easier around halfway than when you're just

903
00:47:26,867 --> 00:47:27,867
Speaker 18: stepped from your goal one.

904
00:47:28,307 --> 00:47:32,147
Speaker 2: Indeed, the nine ten combo Noah Hootham, Rivers, Ray Harner,

905
00:47:32,187 --> 00:47:35,187
Speaker 2: the have had three or four games starting in nine

906
00:47:35,187 --> 00:47:36,947
Speaker 2: and ten. For you, now, how do you think that

907
00:47:36,987 --> 00:47:38,107
Speaker 2: partnership is developing.

908
00:47:39,507 --> 00:47:42,507
Speaker 18: Yeah, they're going really well, soaked with how Rivers has

909
00:47:42,547 --> 00:47:47,027
Speaker 18: come back, obviously got an opportunity with Tahar's knee injury,

910
00:47:47,067 --> 00:47:50,267
Speaker 18: and Noah's just gone strength to strength. I thought it

911
00:47:50,307 --> 00:47:53,427
Speaker 18: was awesome last night. Kicked well, such a strong carrier

912
00:47:54,027 --> 00:47:57,867
Speaker 18: and really good for us defensively. So I think he's

913
00:47:57,987 --> 00:48:00,547
Speaker 18: been a big part of that defensive shift, and I

914
00:48:00,587 --> 00:48:02,707
Speaker 18: know a lot of teams will try and target her

915
00:48:02,707 --> 00:48:05,587
Speaker 18: half back, but man, he's so strong and so good

916
00:48:05,627 --> 00:48:09,707
Speaker 18: at the contact that he sits in back pre pretty quickly.

917
00:48:10,667 --> 00:48:13,667
Speaker 2: How much better is your team with Will Jordan in it?

918
00:48:15,707 --> 00:48:15,947
Speaker 4: Yeah?

919
00:48:16,267 --> 00:48:20,947
Speaker 18: Much better? He's I think we've seen that influence this year.

920
00:48:20,947 --> 00:48:23,867
Speaker 18: We obviously missed him last year. That not just what

921
00:48:23,947 --> 00:48:26,707
Speaker 18: he does on the field, but throughout the week. He's

922
00:48:26,747 --> 00:48:29,667
Speaker 18: such a smart rugby brain and a lot of the

923
00:48:29,707 --> 00:48:34,227
Speaker 18: calling has sort of done through him just because he

924
00:48:34,307 --> 00:48:37,227
Speaker 18: understands the game so well. So he's very influential for us.

925
00:48:38,907 --> 00:48:41,507
Speaker 18: Wasn't really the game that suited him last night. He's

926
00:48:41,547 --> 00:48:45,267
Speaker 18: obviously hard and fast. Deck really suits him. But then

927
00:48:45,307 --> 00:48:47,747
Speaker 18: I thought it was awesome for us under the high ball,

928
00:48:48,267 --> 00:48:50,907
Speaker 18: some big efforts when we needed him, and just really

929
00:48:51,027 --> 00:48:54,707
Speaker 18: organized that backfield really well for us. So awesome to

930
00:48:54,707 --> 00:48:57,427
Speaker 18: Heaven back at this time of year and hoping for

931
00:48:57,787 --> 00:48:59,387
Speaker 18: a couple more big ones from him.

932
00:49:00,067 --> 00:49:02,947
Speaker 2: And as your team also, you know, just a bit

933
00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:04,587
Speaker 2: better with David Harvilli there.

934
00:49:04,427 --> 00:49:10,027
Speaker 18: Too, Yaw. Davey's such an influential character for us, just

935
00:49:10,347 --> 00:49:13,627
Speaker 18: his leadership. The boys love them, They respect him. They

936
00:49:13,707 --> 00:49:16,427
Speaker 18: voted him man of the match last night, like they

937
00:49:16,547 --> 00:49:20,427
Speaker 18: just they just love playing with him. He's the way

938
00:49:20,467 --> 00:49:25,267
Speaker 18: he speaks and leads this group is pretty special. And yeah,

939
00:49:25,267 --> 00:49:27,547
Speaker 18: he's got such a good skill set too. Who saw

940
00:49:27,587 --> 00:49:30,067
Speaker 18: some of the kicks he put in last night and

941
00:49:30,187 --> 00:49:33,267
Speaker 18: some of his intent and his carries and cleans. Yeah,

942
00:49:33,267 --> 00:49:35,827
Speaker 18: the boys love and we love having him out there.

943
00:49:36,627 --> 00:49:39,307
Speaker 2: To Mighty Williams. He injured his knee early on, battled

944
00:49:39,307 --> 00:49:42,707
Speaker 2: on score to try, but then came off. Any update

945
00:49:42,787 --> 00:49:43,987
Speaker 2: this morning, James.

946
00:49:44,747 --> 00:49:47,387
Speaker 18: No, I haven't had an update, but I'm hoping for

947
00:49:47,467 --> 00:49:50,107
Speaker 18: the best. Just the way he was able to keep

948
00:49:50,227 --> 00:49:54,747
Speaker 18: playing through it sometimes it's a good sign. So fingers

949
00:49:54,747 --> 00:49:58,067
Speaker 18: crossed with him. He is an influential player for us

950
00:49:58,147 --> 00:50:02,067
Speaker 18: as well. He was dominant scrumtime last night, and yeah,

951
00:50:02,107 --> 00:50:05,187
Speaker 18: fingers crossed we get him back next week. But we'll

952
00:50:05,187 --> 00:50:06,307
Speaker 18: have to wait and see for that one.

953
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:06,947
Speaker 4: I guess.

954
00:50:06,947 --> 00:50:09,467
Speaker 2: Speaking of front rowers, the only bloke who's played all

955
00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:12,507
Speaker 2: fifteen games for you is George Bauer. Five of them,

956
00:50:12,507 --> 00:50:14,827
Speaker 2: starts ten off the bench. He feels, I don't know

957
00:50:14,947 --> 00:50:17,307
Speaker 2: a little bit unsung. I guess how much has he

958
00:50:17,707 --> 00:50:20,067
Speaker 2: appreciated internally George Bauer.

959
00:50:21,107 --> 00:50:23,587
Speaker 18: Oh massively. He's put in some big shifts for us too,

960
00:50:24,187 --> 00:50:27,267
Speaker 18: a couple of eighty minute games, which is never an

961
00:50:27,307 --> 00:50:31,427
Speaker 18: easy ask for a front row of these days. But yeah,

962
00:50:31,467 --> 00:50:34,347
Speaker 18: and he also not just what he does on the field.

963
00:50:34,667 --> 00:50:37,947
Speaker 18: He's a real energy man for our group, brings in

964
00:50:37,987 --> 00:50:40,507
Speaker 18: all the vibes and lots of good jokes and gets

965
00:50:40,507 --> 00:50:43,227
Speaker 18: a team song humming, and he's one of those guys

966
00:50:43,227 --> 00:50:45,907
Speaker 18: which everyone loves seven on the team.

967
00:50:46,707 --> 00:50:50,467
Speaker 2: How much was the disappointment of last year used as

968
00:50:50,547 --> 00:50:51,707
Speaker 2: motivation for this year?

969
00:50:55,067 --> 00:50:56,947
Speaker 18: I don't know if it was really used as motivation.

970
00:50:57,227 --> 00:50:59,387
Speaker 18: We just knew that we had to be better. We

971
00:50:59,467 --> 00:51:01,867
Speaker 18: knew that we were a better side than what we

972
00:51:01,907 --> 00:51:05,827
Speaker 18: put out there last year. Everyone was really disappointed, but

973
00:51:06,827 --> 00:51:09,027
Speaker 18: it was more solution based and what we needed to

974
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:14,467
Speaker 18: do there to go better this year. And like, obviously,

975
00:51:14,547 --> 00:51:18,467
Speaker 18: like the winning can be contagious. I think there's probably

976
00:51:18,507 --> 00:51:21,467
Speaker 18: been four or five games that we would have lost

977
00:51:21,467 --> 00:51:24,707
Speaker 18: this time last year, a couple of close ones, and

978
00:51:24,747 --> 00:51:27,147
Speaker 18: a lot of the games won or lost in such

979
00:51:27,147 --> 00:51:31,987
Speaker 18: small margins. And when winning becomes a habit, it just

980
00:51:32,587 --> 00:51:34,827
Speaker 18: sort of rolls on and you start winning those games

981
00:51:34,827 --> 00:51:38,427
Speaker 18: that you don't when you're when you're in a losing

982
00:51:38,547 --> 00:51:42,347
Speaker 18: rat So it's nice to be on the winning side.

983
00:51:42,667 --> 00:51:45,947
Speaker 18: This year was obviously tough times last year, but we've

984
00:51:45,947 --> 00:51:47,387
Speaker 18: got two more to go to make it count.

985
00:51:47,427 --> 00:51:52,547
Speaker 2: Really, and you've won thirty straight finals matches in christ Yes,

986
00:51:52,587 --> 00:51:55,667
Speaker 2: that was number thirty on the trot last night finals

987
00:51:55,667 --> 00:51:58,347
Speaker 2: matches at home? How allwhere are you of that? And

988
00:51:58,387 --> 00:51:59,747
Speaker 2: how proud are you of that?

989
00:52:01,347 --> 00:52:01,547
Speaker 4: Yeah?

990
00:52:01,587 --> 00:52:03,787
Speaker 18: I wasn't aware of it until I saw the twenty

991
00:52:03,867 --> 00:52:07,427
Speaker 18: nine before last night on the personal Elia. But that's

992
00:52:07,467 --> 00:52:12,507
Speaker 18: an that's an impressive stat, Like I didn't realize. I

993
00:52:12,587 --> 00:52:16,067
Speaker 18: knew it would have been high, just the amount of trophies,

994
00:52:16,107 --> 00:52:19,987
Speaker 18: so one down here, But yeah, that's a pretty incredible stat.

995
00:52:20,107 --> 00:52:22,787
Speaker 18: And long that continue.

996
00:52:22,507 --> 00:52:25,067
Speaker 2: Long that continue. Indeed, you must be looking forward to

997
00:52:25,067 --> 00:52:27,227
Speaker 2: the completion of the new stadium. It'll be about warmer

998
00:52:27,347 --> 00:52:28,067
Speaker 2: for starters.

999
00:52:29,627 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 18: I was thinking that last night, when obviously it was

1000
00:52:32,147 --> 00:52:36,907
Speaker 18: a relatively disappointing crowd. But you can't you can't really

1001
00:52:37,347 --> 00:52:39,187
Speaker 18: complain too much when they've got to sit in that

1002
00:52:39,267 --> 00:52:44,307
Speaker 18: stadium and freezing cold, rain pouring, and it just doesn't

1003
00:52:44,347 --> 00:52:47,667
Speaker 18: make it an attractive proposition to take your kids along.

1004
00:52:47,827 --> 00:52:49,667
Speaker 18: Or especially when you can sit at home and the

1005
00:52:49,707 --> 00:52:52,347
Speaker 18: warm and watch it on TV. But there'll be no

1006
00:52:52,387 --> 00:52:55,107
Speaker 18: excuses next year. And driving past the stadium on the

1007
00:52:55,147 --> 00:52:58,307
Speaker 18: way to the stadium last night, it just made me think, Man,

1008
00:52:58,387 --> 00:53:00,427
Speaker 18: I cannot wait for that thing to be open. And

1009
00:53:01,147 --> 00:53:03,107
Speaker 18: from a tech coach point of view as well, I'd

1010
00:53:03,107 --> 00:53:06,667
Speaker 18: love to be able to plabit more rugby and these

1011
00:53:06,667 --> 00:53:10,507
Speaker 18: crunch games. And I suited us last night, but it

1012
00:53:10,627 --> 00:53:14,907
Speaker 18: probably wasn't the most enjoyable spectacle for many fans. But

1013
00:53:15,547 --> 00:53:19,667
Speaker 18: next year, hopefully we can play a bit more expensive rugby.

1014
00:53:20,107 --> 00:53:21,827
Speaker 2: Looking forward to that. So I guess you cheer the

1015
00:53:21,827 --> 00:53:24,627
Speaker 2: Blues against the Chiefs tonight, don't you, Because that would

1016
00:53:24,707 --> 00:53:27,827
Speaker 2: mean that you would take over top ranking spot on

1017
00:53:27,867 --> 00:53:30,427
Speaker 2: the Semis. You're already hosting one next week, but it

1018
00:53:30,427 --> 00:53:32,947
Speaker 2: would mean that if you won that you would also

1019
00:53:32,987 --> 00:53:35,027
Speaker 2: host the finals. So you're all in on the Blues tonight.

1020
00:53:35,067 --> 00:53:35,747
Speaker 2: That must be a bit.

1021
00:53:35,707 --> 00:53:40,547
Speaker 18: Tough, Yeah, to be fair, I'm just going to I'm

1022
00:53:40,547 --> 00:53:43,107
Speaker 18: looking forward to sitting down and just watching both of

1023
00:53:43,107 --> 00:53:45,027
Speaker 18: these games. I think they're going to be two crackers

1024
00:53:45,947 --> 00:53:48,707
Speaker 18: and just seeing seeing them all better at that. Hopefully

1025
00:53:48,747 --> 00:53:53,187
Speaker 18: they both got a extra time and Golden Point and

1026
00:53:53,227 --> 00:53:57,027
Speaker 18: then to the kickoff and yeah, then see who we've

1027
00:53:57,027 --> 00:54:00,947
Speaker 18: got next week. But yeah, the Hurricanes Rumby's game is

1028
00:54:00,947 --> 00:54:02,547
Speaker 18: going to be a cracker as well. I'm looking forward

1029
00:54:02,547 --> 00:54:07,427
Speaker 18: to seeing how they go over there, and yeah, see

1030
00:54:07,547 --> 00:54:09,027
Speaker 18: see who we end up with next week.

1031
00:54:09,627 --> 00:54:12,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, congrats on sealing your place in the in

1032
00:54:13,027 --> 00:54:16,227
Speaker 2: the semis. Can I just say before you go your

1033
00:54:16,267 --> 00:54:19,187
Speaker 2: podcast as a cracker man? What a lad? It is

1034
00:54:19,347 --> 00:54:20,907
Speaker 2: just a beauty. I don't know how you find time

1035
00:54:21,347 --> 00:54:23,307
Speaker 2: to prep them because I know how much this, how

1036
00:54:23,347 --> 00:54:25,147
Speaker 2: much these sorts of things take and amongst all of

1037
00:54:25,187 --> 00:54:29,107
Speaker 2: your other family responsibilities, coaching responsibilities. It's a beauty man.

1038
00:54:30,467 --> 00:54:32,307
Speaker 18: Oh, I appreciate that. Yeah, it is a bit of

1039
00:54:32,347 --> 00:54:34,227
Speaker 18: a jug at this time of year. I try and

1040
00:54:34,307 --> 00:54:37,627
Speaker 18: bank as many episodes as I can before the season

1041
00:54:37,667 --> 00:54:40,267
Speaker 18: and just let them roll out as we get through it.

1042
00:54:41,027 --> 00:54:43,547
Speaker 18: But I didn't have minister to record maybe three or

1043
00:54:43,627 --> 00:54:47,067
Speaker 18: four throughout the season. And I enjoy doing them, and

1044
00:54:47,947 --> 00:54:50,587
Speaker 18: I always appreciate when I get feedback on them and

1045
00:54:50,627 --> 00:54:53,667
Speaker 18: how much other people have enjoyed them or how much

1046
00:54:53,667 --> 00:54:56,387
Speaker 18: it's help them or the son who's trying to be

1047
00:54:56,427 --> 00:54:58,427
Speaker 18: a professional ag blower whatever they're trying to do, so

1048
00:54:59,387 --> 00:55:02,787
Speaker 18: something I want to keep trying to do. And good mate,

1049
00:55:02,947 --> 00:55:04,947
Speaker 18: probably your one of your good mate Scott waldram On

1050
00:55:05,747 --> 00:55:09,467
Speaker 18: coming out to morning, so I'm looking forward to releasing

1051
00:55:09,467 --> 00:55:10,027
Speaker 18: that when.

1052
00:55:09,827 --> 00:55:10,987
Speaker 4: He was a good yarn.

1053
00:55:11,547 --> 00:55:14,347
Speaker 2: Yeah he's a very good man, and you're good Willington boy,

1054
00:55:14,387 --> 00:55:16,547
Speaker 2: good Evalon boy. They're struggling a bit in club rugby

1055
00:55:16,587 --> 00:55:18,787
Speaker 2: at the moment up here in Wellington, so I hope

1056
00:55:18,827 --> 00:55:21,027
Speaker 2: you haven't sort of delved too deeply into the Evlon

1057
00:55:21,187 --> 00:55:23,987
Speaker 2: side of things. But they always enjoyed listen and always

1058
00:55:24,027 --> 00:55:26,387
Speaker 2: enjoyed chatting rugby with you, James. Thanks for taking the time.

1059
00:55:26,227 --> 00:55:29,107
Speaker 18: Mate, Hey, cheers mate, always good to chat.

1060
00:55:29,387 --> 00:55:32,667
Speaker 2: Thanks James. James Marshall, assistant coach of the Crusaders. So

1061
00:55:33,667 --> 00:55:36,187
Speaker 2: let me go through these scenarios for you. In terms

1062
00:55:36,187 --> 00:55:39,547
Speaker 2: of that, there are four possibilities right. There are two

1063
00:55:39,627 --> 00:55:46,107
Speaker 2: games tonight, so four possibilities. Number one, the Chiefs and

1064
00:55:46,147 --> 00:55:49,707
Speaker 2: the Brumbies win. Okay, the games the Chiefs Blues, Brumbi's

1065
00:55:49,787 --> 00:55:54,187
Speaker 2: Hurricanes Scenario one, The Chiefs and the Brumbies win, so

1066
00:55:54,227 --> 00:56:00,587
Speaker 2: the semi finals would be Chiefs Hurricanes, Crusaders Brumbies scenario two,

1067
00:56:01,307 --> 00:56:04,947
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Hurricanes win tonight, the semis would

1068
00:56:04,987 --> 00:56:11,907
Speaker 2: be Chiefs, Brumbies, Crusaders Hurricanes. Scenario three, the Blues and

1069
00:56:11,947 --> 00:56:17,107
Speaker 2: the Brumbis win tonight, the semifinals would be Crusaders v. Blues,

1070
00:56:17,947 --> 00:56:22,907
Speaker 2: Chiefs v. Brumbies, And scenario number four, the Blues and

1071
00:56:22,947 --> 00:56:27,707
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes win tonight, the semis would be Crusaders v. Blues,

1072
00:56:28,507 --> 00:56:34,107
Speaker 2: Chiefs the Hurricanes. So the Lockton part of this, As

1073
00:56:34,107 --> 00:56:37,827
Speaker 2: I said before, are the venues for the semifinals. We

1074
00:56:37,987 --> 00:56:41,587
Speaker 2: know they will be Hamilton and christ Church. I don't

1075
00:56:41,627 --> 00:56:45,027
Speaker 2: know which way round they'll be, but I suspect that

1076
00:56:45,067 --> 00:56:48,067
Speaker 2: the Crusaders game will be the Friday night given the

1077
00:56:48,107 --> 00:56:52,267
Speaker 2: fact they played last night and the Chiefs played tonight.

1078
00:56:53,307 --> 00:56:56,227
Speaker 2: I get the feeling it'll be the same next weekend,

1079
00:56:56,227 --> 00:56:59,427
Speaker 2: but I don't know that for sure, so don't put

1080
00:56:59,427 --> 00:57:01,787
Speaker 2: any stock in that. If you're thinking of booking tickets

1081
00:57:01,787 --> 00:57:04,547
Speaker 2: to either of those two cities, don't do it just yet.

1082
00:57:05,267 --> 00:57:09,187
Speaker 2: But those are the scenarios they'll play out. It is unusual, right,

1083
00:57:09,267 --> 00:57:13,547
Speaker 2: It's different from normal in that you can lose tonight

1084
00:57:13,907 --> 00:57:16,987
Speaker 2: if you are the Hurricanes or the Brumbies and still

1085
00:57:16,987 --> 00:57:19,587
Speaker 2: go through and they'll know by the time they kick

1086
00:57:19,627 --> 00:57:22,227
Speaker 2: off whether that is possible or not. If the Blues, though,

1087
00:57:22,267 --> 00:57:26,787
Speaker 2: do get up tonight, and they might, then the Hurricanes

1088
00:57:26,787 --> 00:57:28,707
Speaker 2: and the Brumbies know that their game is sudden death.

1089
00:57:30,067 --> 00:57:31,787
Speaker 2: But if the Chiefs were to beat the Blues, and

1090
00:57:31,827 --> 00:57:34,027
Speaker 2: that is I guess the most likely outcome, because the

1091
00:57:34,067 --> 00:57:37,987
Speaker 2: Chiefs are the Chiefs. If the Chiefs win tonight, then

1092
00:57:38,027 --> 00:57:40,187
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes and the Brumbies know that going into their

1093
00:57:40,187 --> 00:57:44,827
Speaker 2: game they will not be eliminated. They're playing basically for

1094
00:57:46,467 --> 00:57:49,147
Speaker 2: who they play against next week. And I was just

1095
00:57:49,227 --> 00:57:52,947
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, if you're the Hurricanes, right, and you're

1096
00:57:52,987 --> 00:57:55,067
Speaker 2: thinking to yourself, right, we know we're not going to

1097
00:57:55,067 --> 00:57:57,387
Speaker 2: get knocked out. If we win, we go to christ

1098
00:57:57,427 --> 00:58:00,067
Speaker 2: Church to play the Crusaders. If we lose, we go

1099
00:58:00,067 --> 00:58:03,307
Speaker 2: to Hamilton to face the Chiefs. The Hurricanes have already

1100
00:58:03,347 --> 00:58:06,707
Speaker 2: beaten the Chiefs this year, albeit in Wellington. As I've

1101
00:58:06,747 --> 00:58:09,147
Speaker 2: just said to James Marshall and to all of you,

1102
00:58:09,627 --> 00:58:14,227
Speaker 2: that is thirty straight finals matches wins in christ Church

1103
00:58:14,267 --> 00:58:18,787
Speaker 2: for the Crusaders. It's a pretty good record. It's an

1104
00:58:18,827 --> 00:58:21,387
Speaker 2: unprecedented record. So really, would you want to be going

1105
00:58:22,067 --> 00:58:24,827
Speaker 2: to christ Church, or if you the Hurricanes, would you

1106
00:58:24,867 --> 00:58:27,947
Speaker 2: actually secretly prefer to go to Hamilton? But having said that,

1107
00:58:28,467 --> 00:58:31,307
Speaker 2: who wants to play the Chiefs right now? So you

1108
00:58:31,387 --> 00:58:37,467
Speaker 2: know what, there's no perfect outcome is there. Whoever placed

1109
00:58:37,467 --> 00:58:40,187
Speaker 2: the Chiefs is going to be up against it. Whoever

1110
00:58:40,227 --> 00:58:43,987
Speaker 2: placed the Crusaders is going to be up against it. Oh,

1111
00:58:44,027 --> 00:58:46,467
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the crowd in christ

1112
00:58:46,547 --> 00:58:51,787
Speaker 2: Church last night and James picked up on it. I mean,

1113
00:58:51,827 --> 00:58:52,947
Speaker 2: it was a horrible night.

1114
00:58:54,147 --> 00:58:54,467
Speaker 10: I saw.

1115
00:58:54,827 --> 00:58:57,467
Speaker 2: I was coming back from Auckland yesterday morning and I

1116
00:58:57,507 --> 00:58:59,667
Speaker 2: saw a couple of the sky crew who were headed

1117
00:58:59,707 --> 00:59:04,387
Speaker 2: for christ Church and they were telling me the high yesterday.

1118
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:09,947
Speaker 2: The forecast high in christ Church yesterday was seven degrees.

1119
00:59:10,947 --> 00:59:14,307
Speaker 2: I got in touch with Nick Beauley, our commentator on

1120
00:59:14,387 --> 00:59:19,867
Speaker 2: gold Sport, and he said it is absolutely arctic. He

1121
00:59:20,027 --> 00:59:23,067
Speaker 2: was four jackets and a beanie because down there in

1122
00:59:23,147 --> 00:59:27,387
Speaker 2: christ Church at the stadium there at the moment, they

1123
00:59:27,387 --> 00:59:30,387
Speaker 2: don't they're not undercover. The commentary team is sitting out

1124
00:59:30,507 --> 00:59:33,987
Speaker 2: and amongst everybody else, so they're not undercover. So it

1125
00:59:34,107 --> 00:59:38,107
Speaker 2: is absolutely freezing. Corey Flynn, who used to do commentary

1126
00:59:38,107 --> 00:59:41,027
Speaker 2: with us down there, the former All Black hooker hard

1127
00:59:41,107 --> 00:59:45,067
Speaker 2: Man used to bring an electric blanket along and plug

1128
00:59:45,107 --> 00:59:48,987
Speaker 2: it in underneath the desk with an electric blanket on

1129
00:59:49,787 --> 00:59:54,267
Speaker 2: goodness me. So yeah, you can't blame people for not

1130
00:59:54,307 --> 00:59:57,307
Speaker 2: turning up last night in christ Church. You really can't,

1131
00:59:57,347 --> 01:00:02,027
Speaker 2: because it was horrible and they probably knew, right. I

1132
01:00:02,067 --> 01:00:05,107
Speaker 2: think most people knew that the Crusader were going to

1133
01:00:05,147 --> 01:00:07,587
Speaker 2: win that game, so they thought, you know what, We'll

1134
01:00:07,627 --> 01:00:11,227
Speaker 2: wait until next week when we'll have a game against

1135
01:00:11,267 --> 01:00:15,987
Speaker 2: either the Brumbies, Hurricanes or Blues, which they will and

1136
01:00:16,027 --> 01:00:18,307
Speaker 2: I would imagine they'll turn out in much bigger numbers

1137
01:00:18,347 --> 01:00:22,227
Speaker 2: for that, and I'll be cheering the Blues tonight Crusaders fans,

1138
01:00:23,267 --> 01:00:26,307
Speaker 2: because if the Blues beat the Chiefs, then the Crusaders

1139
01:00:26,387 --> 01:00:29,187
Speaker 2: take over top ranking and would host the final if

1140
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Speaker 2: Be bang on one thirty to the lines in a moment,

1164
01:01:45,667 --> 01:01:47,347
Speaker 2: but let me answer some of these texts Bindy, that

1165
01:01:47,347 --> 01:01:51,107
Speaker 2: can't be right. If the Chiefs lose, surely the winner

1166
01:01:51,147 --> 01:01:53,907
Speaker 2: of the Brumbies Hurricanes would host a semi. You'd think,

1167
01:01:53,947 --> 01:01:55,867
Speaker 2: wouldn't you, But no, that is not the case. If

1168
01:01:55,907 --> 01:01:59,747
Speaker 2: the Chiefs lose, they drop down one ranking place, so

1169
01:01:59,827 --> 01:02:02,587
Speaker 2: at the moment they're ranked first, they drop down one

1170
01:02:02,667 --> 01:02:06,027
Speaker 2: ranking place to second. So the Chiefs would still host

1171
01:02:06,067 --> 01:02:11,587
Speaker 2: a seen final. Finishing top comes with that advantage. So no,

1172
01:02:11,787 --> 01:02:16,147
Speaker 2: the Chiefs would still host a semi. So the Blues win,

1173
01:02:16,267 --> 01:02:18,867
Speaker 2: they play in christ Church next week. Either way, Yes,

1174
01:02:18,947 --> 01:02:22,107
Speaker 2: that is correct. If the Blues win, they will play

1175
01:02:22,147 --> 01:02:25,907
Speaker 2: the Crusaders in christ Church. If the Blues lose, they're out.

1176
01:02:26,227 --> 01:02:28,787
Speaker 2: So yes, that is correct. Bang on. If the Blues win,

1177
01:02:29,107 --> 01:02:31,707
Speaker 2: they will play the Crusaders next week in christ Church.

1178
01:02:33,707 --> 01:02:37,067
Speaker 2: Tony says Jason. If the Canes and Blues end up

1179
01:02:37,067 --> 01:02:40,347
Speaker 2: in the final, we can have a home final. And

1180
01:02:40,387 --> 01:02:43,907
Speaker 2: Tony's a Hurricanes fan. Yes, that is correct, Tony. If

1181
01:02:43,907 --> 01:02:46,267
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes and the Blues end up in the final,

1182
01:02:46,707 --> 01:02:50,547
Speaker 2: it would be in Wellington. Now for that to happen,

1183
01:02:51,107 --> 01:02:53,747
Speaker 2: the Blues and the Hurricanes would both have to win tonight,

1184
01:02:54,427 --> 01:02:56,787
Speaker 2: and then they would both have to win next weekend

1185
01:02:56,827 --> 01:02:59,427
Speaker 2: as well. It doesn't seem to me Tony to be

1186
01:02:59,547 --> 01:03:04,147
Speaker 2: the most likely scenario, but it's possible. And if Super

1187
01:03:04,187 --> 01:03:06,787
Speaker 2: Rugby this year's shouts anything, it's that anything is possible.

1188
01:03:08,387 --> 01:03:10,267
Speaker 2: Someone says you've got scenario two and three wrong, the

1189
01:03:10,307 --> 01:03:12,067
Speaker 2: teams are reranked. I don't think I've got it wrong.

1190
01:03:12,387 --> 01:03:15,587
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the scenario's eye outlined will right if

1191
01:03:15,627 --> 01:03:20,707
Speaker 2: you the lucky loser drops a ranking position. All right,

1192
01:03:21,267 --> 01:03:24,787
Speaker 2: So whoever the lucky loser is tonight, and that will

1193
01:03:24,827 --> 01:03:30,067
Speaker 2: either be the Chiefs, the Brumbies or the Hurricanes. They

1194
01:03:30,267 --> 01:03:33,267
Speaker 2: drop one ranking place. Now. The Hurricanes can't drop any further.

1195
01:03:33,587 --> 01:03:37,147
Speaker 2: They are they'd be the lowest ranked. The Brumbies can

1196
01:03:37,227 --> 01:03:41,467
Speaker 2: drop below the Hurricanes if they were to lose, and

1197
01:03:41,507 --> 01:03:43,667
Speaker 2: that is why the Hurricanes would then go to christ

1198
01:03:43,707 --> 01:03:47,147
Speaker 2: Church and not to Hamilton. And if the Chiefs were

1199
01:03:47,187 --> 01:03:50,627
Speaker 2: to lose, they drop down one ranking position to second,

1200
01:03:51,067 --> 01:03:53,307
Speaker 2: and the disadvantage there, of course would be that they

1201
01:03:53,307 --> 01:03:56,867
Speaker 2: would not host the final if they made it. All right,

1202
01:03:57,187 --> 01:04:00,427
Speaker 2: I know it's a bit confusing, but hopefully I've tried

1203
01:04:00,467 --> 01:04:04,507
Speaker 2: to I've tried to unpack it for you. Let's get

1204
01:04:04,547 --> 01:04:09,267
Speaker 2: to the lines. Phil Crusaders super rugby favorites are still

1205
01:04:09,267 --> 01:04:09,787
Speaker 2: the chiefs.

1206
01:04:12,227 --> 01:04:15,227
Speaker 19: I thought she's a complicated system, all right, pointing and

1207
01:04:15,667 --> 01:04:17,987
Speaker 19: it's still bloody cold down here in christ Rot, So

1208
01:04:18,027 --> 01:04:20,507
Speaker 19: I think that winds coming straight out of the Southern

1209
01:04:20,547 --> 01:04:22,307
Speaker 19: Ocean like a back home and go.

1210
01:04:23,747 --> 01:04:26,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some cold days. There's some cold days down

1211
01:04:26,987 --> 01:04:29,627
Speaker 2: there for as you know, they sure do.

1212
01:04:29,787 --> 01:04:34,067
Speaker 19: Yeah but yeah, but yeah, now after they're going to

1213
01:04:34,107 --> 01:04:36,187
Speaker 19: say the winter effect, it feels like about Wine's twenty.

1214
01:04:36,227 --> 01:04:37,667
Speaker 19: But I might be excaired to right get a bit

1215
01:04:37,747 --> 01:04:40,107
Speaker 19: soft living here and Canny will be his Now we're

1216
01:04:40,147 --> 01:04:43,107
Speaker 19: not the hard Southern, not the hard Southern man.

1217
01:04:42,947 --> 01:04:43,547
Speaker 7: I used to be.

1218
01:04:45,547 --> 01:04:51,147
Speaker 19: But yeah, but no, after last night's performance watching the Crusaders,

1219
01:04:51,307 --> 01:04:56,267
Speaker 19: yeah I think they I think they could be champions.

1220
01:04:56,307 --> 01:04:58,747
Speaker 19: I was a bit doubtful. I was a bit doubtful

1221
01:04:58,747 --> 01:05:01,347
Speaker 19: when they are last week when they played the Brumbies,

1222
01:05:01,347 --> 01:05:04,027
Speaker 19: because they actually shouldn't have won that game. You know,

1223
01:05:04,147 --> 01:05:06,907
Speaker 19: the Brumbies had it all I of them in the

1224
01:05:06,947 --> 01:05:10,027
Speaker 19: second half and with that, you know, with that content

1225
01:05:10,187 --> 01:05:13,347
Speaker 19: with the ref miss and that knock on and that

1226
01:05:13,547 --> 01:05:15,507
Speaker 19: they actually should have won the Brumbery. So that kind

1227
01:05:15,547 --> 01:05:17,707
Speaker 19: of knocked me confidence in the Crusaders a bit, and

1228
01:05:17,747 --> 01:05:21,707
Speaker 19: I thought, well, maybe they aren't. They aren't, they haven't

1229
01:05:21,707 --> 01:05:24,027
Speaker 19: got it to go all the way. But last night

1230
01:05:24,107 --> 01:05:29,747
Speaker 19: restored the faith. That was just a magnificent performance defense, attack,

1231
01:05:30,267 --> 01:05:35,147
Speaker 19: individual players, solid players like Tom Christie, you know again,

1232
01:05:35,347 --> 01:05:38,027
Speaker 19: just another great performance out of the line, like just

1233
01:05:38,067 --> 01:05:40,427
Speaker 19: doing the stuff for the hard yards in the engine

1234
01:05:40,467 --> 01:05:45,467
Speaker 19: room in his position, and then the flare of guys

1235
01:05:45,667 --> 01:05:48,267
Speaker 19: like Jordan's last night. Even though he didn't get the

1236
01:05:48,267 --> 01:05:52,347
Speaker 19: players the big running game that he used likes to play,

1237
01:05:52,427 --> 01:05:58,987
Speaker 19: still there was little bits and touches of brilliance. The

1238
01:05:56,947 --> 01:06:00,867
Speaker 19: the the guy that kicked the ball through and the

1239
01:06:00,907 --> 01:06:03,867
Speaker 19: guy had him by this jersey and he still managed

1240
01:06:03,907 --> 01:06:05,867
Speaker 19: to get a chip kick off and then ran and

1241
01:06:05,907 --> 01:06:08,907
Speaker 19: scored the try chasing his own kick. I just can't

1242
01:06:08,907 --> 01:06:13,307
Speaker 19: think of his name. No hope them, yes, no, hope them,

1243
01:06:13,307 --> 01:06:15,787
Speaker 19: you know that. But an individual brilliance, so you had

1244
01:06:16,707 --> 01:06:20,267
Speaker 19: collectively you had the whole t Blackadder was fantastic as well.

1245
01:06:21,347 --> 01:06:23,947
Speaker 19: Like the assistant coach said that you were talking to,

1246
01:06:24,067 --> 01:06:27,147
Speaker 19: they just powered it up front and set up set

1247
01:06:27,187 --> 01:06:30,227
Speaker 19: it all up up front with the with the big

1248
01:06:30,267 --> 01:06:32,067
Speaker 19: boys and the forwards you know, the one hundred and

1249
01:06:32,147 --> 01:06:38,827
Speaker 19: forty kg he fell of magnificently went off there. But yeah,

1250
01:06:38,907 --> 01:06:43,587
Speaker 19: they I actually, yeah, they just overpowered the Reds and

1251
01:06:44,187 --> 01:06:46,387
Speaker 19: them beat them up basically upfront and that, you know,

1252
01:06:46,467 --> 01:06:48,467
Speaker 19: and they just couldn't get it going. They had a

1253
01:06:48,507 --> 01:06:50,627
Speaker 19: couple of opportunities and that was about it. They just

1254
01:06:50,667 --> 01:06:52,827
Speaker 19: shut them out up front with the forwards and then

1255
01:06:53,027 --> 01:06:55,187
Speaker 19: you know, the back's done their stuff as well. All

1256
01:06:55,187 --> 01:06:59,907
Speaker 19: build off that great performance by the big boys. But

1257
01:07:00,027 --> 01:07:05,427
Speaker 19: I actually, I actually I don't know why, but I'm

1258
01:07:05,507 --> 01:07:07,827
Speaker 19: kind of thinking, even though I'd love to see the

1259
01:07:07,867 --> 01:07:11,987
Speaker 19: Crusaders take it, I'm actually I've actually got a thinking

1260
01:07:12,147 --> 01:07:14,307
Speaker 19: thinking that the Hurricanes might do it. You know, the

1261
01:07:14,387 --> 01:07:16,787
Speaker 19: last couple of games that I've watched the Hurricanes, I've

1262
01:07:16,787 --> 01:07:21,787
Speaker 19: been so impressed with their back line especially, and so

1263
01:07:22,467 --> 01:07:25,067
Speaker 19: I've got to be thought in my mind that even

1264
01:07:25,107 --> 01:07:27,667
Speaker 19: though the Chiefs are the favorites, I think in a

1265
01:07:27,667 --> 01:07:29,627
Speaker 19: lot of people's minds, because they've just been playing so

1266
01:07:29,747 --> 01:07:34,227
Speaker 19: well defensively in an attack, I just I'm going to

1267
01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:36,267
Speaker 19: be back on the Hurricanes. I think I think the

1268
01:07:36,307 --> 01:07:37,907
Speaker 19: Hurricanes could come through and do it.

1269
01:07:38,027 --> 01:07:41,187
Speaker 2: And now you're speaking my language. Film as you know,

1270
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:46,467
Speaker 2: Hurricanes fan died in the wall like me. What that

1271
01:07:46,507 --> 01:07:49,587
Speaker 2: would require is for the Hurricanes to go to either

1272
01:07:49,627 --> 01:07:52,267
Speaker 2: Hamilton and beat the Chiefs or christ Church and beat

1273
01:07:52,267 --> 01:07:55,467
Speaker 2: the Crusaders. That's tough, man, Both of those are tough.

1274
01:07:55,707 --> 01:07:59,347
Speaker 2: But as you say, it's possible. Yes, I think the

1275
01:07:59,347 --> 01:08:01,427
Speaker 2: way the Hurricanes are playing at the moment, they're coming

1276
01:08:01,507 --> 01:08:03,987
Speaker 2: right at the right time in the season. Right And

1277
01:08:03,987 --> 01:08:06,507
Speaker 2: if momentum is a thing, and not everybody believes that

1278
01:08:06,547 --> 01:08:09,267
Speaker 2: it is, but if it is, then they certainly have that.

1279
01:08:10,107 --> 01:08:13,387
Speaker 2: They've won their last five games unbeaten in their last

1280
01:08:13,427 --> 01:08:17,627
Speaker 2: six after that seventeen all draw against the Force, they've

1281
01:08:17,667 --> 01:08:21,907
Speaker 2: beaten the Chiefs in that time. They've lost twice to

1282
01:08:21,947 --> 01:08:26,107
Speaker 2: the Crusaders this year. So whether that plays into their thinking,

1283
01:08:26,187 --> 01:08:31,547
Speaker 2: I don't know. But yeah, Phil, I love the way

1284
01:08:31,587 --> 01:08:35,427
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes are playing and I'm very much looking forward

1285
01:08:35,427 --> 01:08:38,587
Speaker 2: to the next three weeks. A Patahamer says, so, Piney,

1286
01:08:38,667 --> 01:08:43,307
Speaker 2: if the Chiefs lose, who becomes top seed? The Crusaders

1287
01:08:43,347 --> 01:08:46,307
Speaker 2: do a Patahammer. So, if the Chiefs were to lose tonight,

1288
01:08:46,707 --> 01:08:50,347
Speaker 2: they drop down a ranking. Okay, they're currently top ranked.

1289
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Speaker 2: If they were to lose tonight, they would become second ranked,

1290
01:08:53,547 --> 01:08:56,667
Speaker 2: so the Crusaders would take over as the top seed.

1291
01:08:57,827 --> 01:09:00,867
Speaker 2: Grant says, could the Hurricanes rest some players? They could,

1292
01:09:00,907 --> 01:09:03,147
Speaker 2: I guess, Grant, but I don't know what the point

1293
01:09:03,187 --> 01:09:08,187
Speaker 2: would be. I guess could as well. You've got to

1294
01:09:08,267 --> 01:09:11,667
Speaker 2: name your team on the Wednesday, and so both teams

1295
01:09:11,707 --> 01:09:14,387
Speaker 2: have been named. But there's nothing to stop you changing it,

1296
01:09:14,467 --> 01:09:15,987
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, teams have to change all the

1297
01:09:15,987 --> 01:09:19,987
Speaker 2: time because of injury. But yeah, I mean the Brumbies

1298
01:09:20,027 --> 01:09:22,747
Speaker 2: or the Hurricanes could if they wanted to. Once they

1299
01:09:22,787 --> 01:09:26,387
Speaker 2: know the result from Hamilton cut their cloth to suit.

1300
01:09:26,427 --> 01:09:28,907
Speaker 2: But I don't know what you'd cut. What cloth would

1301
01:09:28,947 --> 01:09:31,667
Speaker 2: you be cutting. I think you just basically go out

1302
01:09:31,667 --> 01:09:34,187
Speaker 2: to win the rugby match, don't you, especially were both

1303
01:09:34,227 --> 01:09:36,907
Speaker 2: sides the Hurricanes, you know, win another one. That's six

1304
01:09:36,947 --> 01:09:43,667
Speaker 2: in a row. Yeah. Finally, the best defensive size sets

1305
01:09:43,747 --> 01:09:47,827
Speaker 2: ken is the Blues. We all know the old saying

1306
01:09:47,867 --> 01:09:50,467
Speaker 2: defense wins titles. The Blues will win, go on, Ken,

1307
01:09:51,027 --> 01:09:55,507
Speaker 2: the Blues will win. Well, they could they could because

1308
01:09:55,587 --> 01:09:57,307
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I reckon. If you said to

1309
01:09:57,387 --> 01:10:01,467
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, who would you rather play in Week one

1310
01:10:01,467 --> 01:10:03,467
Speaker 2: of the finals, would you rather play the Blues or

1311
01:10:03,507 --> 01:10:05,947
Speaker 2: would you rather play the Reds. They'd play the Blue

1312
01:10:05,987 --> 01:10:09,507
Speaker 2: other any day of the week. By finishing top, they

1313
01:10:09,507 --> 01:10:11,507
Speaker 2: played the team that finished sixth. They just didn't think.

1314
01:10:11,507 --> 01:10:13,667
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody did that. The Blues could finish sixth.

1315
01:10:14,187 --> 01:10:17,707
Speaker 2: But the Blues could beat the Chiefs. Absolutely they could.

1316
01:10:18,787 --> 01:10:24,387
Speaker 2: They could go down that little stretch of highway and

1317
01:10:24,427 --> 01:10:28,187
Speaker 2: they could win. They're coming off the back of a

1318
01:10:28,307 --> 01:10:34,187
Speaker 2: good performance against the Waratahs, who were terrible, but even

1319
01:10:34,227 --> 01:10:37,907
Speaker 2: so forty six to six. They've got pretty much everybody back.

1320
01:10:39,067 --> 01:10:41,667
Speaker 2: They're not missing too many players. They've got their first

1321
01:10:41,787 --> 01:10:46,147
Speaker 2: choice wingers out there, and Clark and Talaya, Boat and

1322
01:10:46,187 --> 01:10:49,907
Speaker 2: Barrett running the cutter, Papalis or Tutu and the lusis

1323
01:10:50,187 --> 01:10:53,827
Speaker 2: that they're pretty much full strength. Plus they're also, you know,

1324
01:10:54,467 --> 01:10:58,547
Speaker 2: saying goodbye to some pretty important players from the past

1325
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:03,027
Speaker 2: little while to layer included Ricky Ricottelli. Harry Plummer's going

1326
01:11:03,187 --> 01:11:06,947
Speaker 2: of course, so there's that emotion and wrapped up in

1327
01:11:06,947 --> 01:11:11,827
Speaker 2: that as well. The Blues could beat the Chiefs tonight

1328
01:11:11,907 --> 01:11:13,627
Speaker 2: and then play them again in the final and beat

1329
01:11:13,667 --> 01:11:16,867
Speaker 2: them again. Yes, that is another possibility. Absolutely they could.

1330
01:11:18,107 --> 01:11:21,987
Speaker 2: So the Blues. You see, the Blues might have to

1331
01:11:21,987 --> 01:11:24,987
Speaker 2: play the Chiefs in Hamilton twice in three weeks. That

1332
01:11:25,107 --> 01:11:29,267
Speaker 2: could happen. That could happen. If the Blues win tonight

1333
01:11:29,867 --> 01:11:33,467
Speaker 2: and then go to christ Church and beat the Crusaders

1334
01:11:33,467 --> 01:11:35,587
Speaker 2: next week, they'd go back to Hamilton and play the

1335
01:11:35,627 --> 01:11:37,387
Speaker 2: Chiefs in the final. If the Chiefs won their semi

1336
01:11:37,707 --> 01:11:39,987
Speaker 2: there's a lot of wat ifs. James made that point

1337
01:11:40,027 --> 01:11:43,027
Speaker 2: a whole program on What If Not worth listening to.

1338
01:11:43,347 --> 01:11:46,427
Speaker 2: Sorry to Lose You, Jane, Sorry to Lose You. And

1339
01:11:46,467 --> 01:11:49,187
Speaker 2: finally on the rugby from Hamish, the Canes beat the

1340
01:11:49,227 --> 01:11:54,587
Speaker 2: Chiefs without Dmac. The Chiefs are one hundred percent with

1341
01:11:54,747 --> 01:11:58,107
Speaker 2: d mac at ten this year and thirty three percent

1342
01:11:58,227 --> 01:12:01,267
Speaker 2: without them and over the last three years, says Hamish,

1343
01:12:01,307 --> 01:12:04,547
Speaker 2: and I can only believe this to be true. The

1344
01:12:04,627 --> 01:12:09,427
Speaker 2: Chiefs are eighty three percent ent when Damian Mackenzie starts

1345
01:12:09,427 --> 01:12:13,587
Speaker 2: at ten and twenty percent when he doesn't. Home is

1346
01:12:13,627 --> 01:12:18,467
Speaker 2: that is some stat That is some stat and points

1347
01:12:18,507 --> 01:12:22,467
Speaker 2: to the influence of Damien Mackenzie, who yes, will start

1348
01:12:23,107 --> 01:12:25,307
Speaker 2: at first five for the Chiefs tonight. Full commentary of

1349
01:12:25,347 --> 01:12:29,347
Speaker 2: both games can be found on gold Sport and iHeartRadio

1350
01:12:29,507 --> 01:12:35,027
Speaker 2: seven oh five, Chiefs Blues nine thirty five, Brumby's Hurricanes

1351
01:12:36,027 --> 01:12:38,347
Speaker 2: nineteen to two. When we come back, We'll cross the Tasman.

1352
01:12:38,347 --> 01:12:42,387
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock our regular Australian correspondent with lots of sporting matters,

1353
01:12:42,467 --> 01:12:46,747
Speaker 2: including Ange Posta Cogloo being sacked by Tottenham. Adam Peacock

1354
01:12:46,787 --> 01:12:47,187
Speaker 2: after this.

1355
01:12:47,947 --> 01:12:51,667
Speaker 1: The tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

1356
01:12:51,707 --> 01:12:56,187
Speaker 1: Kine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

1357
01:12:55,947 --> 01:13:00,427
Speaker 2: Dogs B sixteen to two. Lots happening in Australian sport

1358
01:13:00,547 --> 01:13:03,347
Speaker 2: plenty to chat about, as always, Where our Australian correspondent,

1359
01:13:03,387 --> 01:13:06,267
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock. Who joins us now? And can we start

1360
01:13:06,427 --> 01:13:09,907
Speaker 2: with Ange Postera coglu Tottenham have sacked him as head

1361
01:13:09,907 --> 01:13:13,667
Speaker 2: coach after two seasons, despite the fact he leads Spurs

1362
01:13:13,747 --> 01:13:18,267
Speaker 2: to Europa League's success last month and got them their

1363
01:13:18,307 --> 01:13:21,627
Speaker 2: first trophy in seventeen years. What do you make of

1364
01:13:21,707 --> 01:13:23,867
Speaker 2: spurs sacking? Big Nge.

1365
01:13:25,267 --> 01:13:27,907
Speaker 20: Surprised that not shocked if that makes sense?

1366
01:13:27,907 --> 01:13:30,107
Speaker 7: Pint it doesn't make Yeah it does? It does?

1367
01:13:30,147 --> 01:13:31,227
Speaker 4: It does? Man? Yeah?

1368
01:13:31,747 --> 01:13:35,507
Speaker 20: Surprised that, Like why like you want a trophy, but

1369
01:13:35,747 --> 01:13:38,947
Speaker 20: shocked because of Daniel Levy, the guy who runs Spurs,

1370
01:13:39,467 --> 01:13:43,467
Speaker 20: the chairman and appointed by the owners to run it

1371
01:13:43,667 --> 01:13:46,267
Speaker 20: really tightly, and you just don't know what he's after.

1372
01:13:46,787 --> 01:13:49,587
Speaker 20: I've like in him this morning. Have you seen the

1373
01:13:50,067 --> 01:13:52,067
Speaker 20: movie Annie? Have you been subjected to that?

1374
01:13:52,227 --> 01:13:54,187
Speaker 2: I have seen any I have.

1375
01:13:54,547 --> 01:13:54,747
Speaker 7: Yes.

1376
01:13:55,507 --> 01:13:58,747
Speaker 20: Miss Hannigan who runs the Orphanage, Yes, I know her. Yes,

1377
01:13:58,747 --> 01:14:00,387
Speaker 20: she's really really hard to please.

1378
01:14:00,947 --> 01:14:04,867
Speaker 2: Yeap, gotcha. I was wondering where you were going with

1379
01:14:04,907 --> 01:14:06,227
Speaker 2: the analogy. Now I get it.

1380
01:14:06,747 --> 01:14:11,267
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, it's such a shame Cange. I mean, but

1381
01:14:11,467 --> 01:14:14,187
Speaker 20: the thing is that he walks away. It was like, well,

1382
01:14:14,707 --> 01:14:17,507
Speaker 20: you know, almost feeling like you've got up a hand.

1383
01:14:17,507 --> 01:14:19,747
Speaker 20: It's like you're sure about this, You're gonna let me go,

1384
01:14:20,147 --> 01:14:23,827
Speaker 20: so you're breaking up with me. So yeah, he'll go

1385
01:14:23,867 --> 01:14:26,747
Speaker 20: and find somewhere else. But Spurs, Seriously, I mean, what

1386
01:14:26,787 --> 01:14:29,947
Speaker 20: do you want? He could have finished sixth or seventh.

1387
01:14:29,947 --> 01:14:31,947
Speaker 20: Hasn't been pointed out on social media. Buy a lot

1388
01:14:31,947 --> 01:14:34,587
Speaker 20: of Spurs fans this morning. You could have finished six

1389
01:14:34,667 --> 01:14:37,787
Speaker 20: or seventh, not want a trophy, and they would have

1390
01:14:37,827 --> 01:14:40,227
Speaker 20: been happy with that. And he keeps his job, wins

1391
01:14:40,227 --> 01:14:43,787
Speaker 20: a trophy like basically from march On brushes off the

1392
01:14:43,827 --> 01:14:46,507
Speaker 20: Premier League in the way, this is not our priority

1393
01:14:46,947 --> 01:14:50,067
Speaker 20: and results accordingly, which is why they finished. It wasn't

1394
01:14:50,107 --> 01:14:52,827
Speaker 20: good enough seventeenth. But they want a trophy that they

1395
01:14:52,907 --> 01:14:55,147
Speaker 20: prioritize the fact that they want to give their chance

1396
01:14:55,547 --> 01:14:57,787
Speaker 20: something to remember for a very long time. And Andree

1397
01:14:57,827 --> 01:15:00,187
Speaker 20: did that. He engineered that, and they let him go.

1398
01:15:00,307 --> 01:15:03,947
Speaker 20: It's just that on that basis, it's just a crazy decision.

1399
01:15:04,067 --> 01:15:06,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very hard to find them. So is there

1400
01:15:06,707 --> 01:15:09,227
Speaker 2: any indication do you have a gut feel about where

1401
01:15:09,587 --> 01:15:11,507
Speaker 2: ange Pasta Cooglu will pop up next?

1402
01:15:14,147 --> 01:15:17,907
Speaker 20: He'll be linked with every half major to major job

1403
01:15:17,947 --> 01:15:20,547
Speaker 20: that comes up now, whether or not he goes for it,

1404
01:15:20,907 --> 01:15:23,587
Speaker 20: whether the conditions are there, probably he would have learned

1405
01:15:23,587 --> 01:15:27,067
Speaker 20: a lot about who he wants to work for. I'd

1406
01:15:27,107 --> 01:15:29,707
Speaker 20: say give him this experience. But there's not many likes

1407
01:15:29,707 --> 01:15:32,147
Speaker 20: and Daniel Levy, so it doesn't need to worry about

1408
01:15:32,187 --> 01:15:35,987
Speaker 20: too much. I've quickly done the rounds on what's available

1409
01:15:36,027 --> 01:15:39,387
Speaker 20: out there's a few apparently into ma Lan's job is open,

1410
01:15:39,467 --> 01:15:42,427
Speaker 20: but they probably want someone up already. Pina in Italy,

1411
01:15:42,547 --> 01:15:45,867
Speaker 20: there's RB Leipzig, which should be intriguing in Germany and

1412
01:15:45,867 --> 01:15:48,107
Speaker 20: the bundeslig A, big big clubs around Europe. What I'm

1413
01:15:48,147 --> 01:15:50,587
Speaker 20: saying here is that in now the top table, So

1414
01:15:50,747 --> 01:15:52,707
Speaker 20: his agent has got a much easier job now that

1415
01:15:52,747 --> 01:15:55,987
Speaker 20: he's want that Europa League to get hand into another place,

1416
01:15:56,027 --> 01:15:58,827
Speaker 20: and he will. He'll manage somewhere else, but I'm not

1417
01:15:58,827 --> 01:16:00,587
Speaker 20: sure it's going to be the Premier League. That last

1418
01:16:00,587 --> 01:16:02,907
Speaker 20: week and there was second managers sacked in the Premier League,

1419
01:16:02,907 --> 01:16:05,467
Speaker 20: so job open, jobs open up all the time. But

1420
01:16:05,547 --> 01:16:08,267
Speaker 20: whether or not he before then go somewhere else from

1421
01:16:08,307 --> 01:16:09,627
Speaker 20: but he won't be able to work for very long,

1422
01:16:09,907 --> 01:16:10,707
Speaker 20: I wouldn't imagine.

1423
01:16:10,707 --> 01:16:12,747
Speaker 2: So no, we watched with interest to see where he

1424
01:16:12,827 --> 01:16:15,227
Speaker 2: pops up. Staying with football, your Soccaros are on the

1425
01:16:15,267 --> 01:16:18,667
Speaker 2: cusp of World Cup qualification yet again. A one n'll

1426
01:16:18,707 --> 01:16:22,107
Speaker 2: win over Japan in Perth on Thursday night. They left

1427
01:16:22,107 --> 01:16:24,107
Speaker 2: it late but got the job done. So they hit

1428
01:16:24,147 --> 01:16:27,747
Speaker 2: this out of Arabia now Wednesday morning, early hours, so

1429
01:16:27,787 --> 01:16:30,187
Speaker 2: they have to avoid defeat by five clear goals. Have

1430
01:16:30,227 --> 01:16:30,787
Speaker 2: I got that right?

1431
01:16:31,347 --> 01:16:32,627
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? Five five?

1432
01:16:32,747 --> 01:16:35,907
Speaker 20: Neal trustics back into the report change if you like.

1433
01:16:36,227 --> 01:16:39,627
Speaker 20: The next rounds of qualified So it doesn't mean total disaster,

1434
01:16:39,747 --> 01:16:43,027
Speaker 20: but look, yeah, we've got to go there get an

1435
01:16:43,507 --> 01:16:46,387
Speaker 20: okay result. When I'm okay it's a one near loss

1436
01:16:46,467 --> 01:16:48,347
Speaker 20: or whatever like that. It'd be interesting to see the

1437
01:16:48,387 --> 01:16:51,747
Speaker 20: mentality of the squad and what is a tricky coaching

1438
01:16:51,787 --> 01:16:55,067
Speaker 20: proposition because all the players would know that equation. So

1439
01:16:55,227 --> 01:16:58,347
Speaker 20: does that kind of twist how Tony Povits goes about

1440
01:16:58,387 --> 01:17:01,067
Speaker 20: it and sets up your team and the principles that

1441
01:17:01,107 --> 01:17:02,867
Speaker 20: he wants the team to play with. But the point

1442
01:17:02,947 --> 01:17:04,867
Speaker 20: is it's very much in our own destiny. After that,

1443
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:08,027
Speaker 20: it was the Smith's smashing grap against Japan. We were

1444
01:17:08,067 --> 01:17:10,947
Speaker 20: about it and Japan, as is the case with them

1445
01:17:10,947 --> 01:17:12,547
Speaker 20: for a very long time, they just couldn't get it

1446
01:17:12,547 --> 01:17:14,427
Speaker 20: together in the eight and yard box of the opposition.

1447
01:17:14,827 --> 01:17:16,587
Speaker 20: We'll go up the other around nine minutes they could

1448
01:17:16,587 --> 01:17:19,387
Speaker 20: shot on target, score a golf thanks very much. So, yeah,

1449
01:17:19,827 --> 01:17:22,347
Speaker 20: it was a good, great moment, not a great performance,

1450
01:17:22,907 --> 01:17:25,627
Speaker 20: but great that we're joining you guys out there and

1451
01:17:25,907 --> 01:17:28,187
Speaker 20: hopefully we get to play in Mexico because I love

1452
01:17:28,227 --> 01:17:28,747
Speaker 20: my Sequila.

1453
01:17:29,027 --> 01:17:32,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, you'd be you'd be a mixer,

1454
01:17:32,787 --> 01:17:34,907
Speaker 2: a fan of visiting Mexico. I've been sort of thinking

1455
01:17:34,907 --> 01:17:36,707
Speaker 2: about where the all whites might end up as well,

1456
01:17:36,747 --> 01:17:38,667
Speaker 2: and now you say that, I wonder where the Mexico

1457
01:17:38,747 --> 01:17:40,347
Speaker 2: might be the best thing. Maybe they'll end up in

1458
01:17:40,387 --> 01:17:42,747
Speaker 2: the same group. Who knows. I think that's I think

1459
01:17:42,747 --> 01:17:44,067
Speaker 2: that's possible, isn't it. Yeah?

1460
01:17:44,267 --> 01:17:46,627
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, yeah, we'd all be wearing Crevit Chapel T

1461
01:17:46,787 --> 01:17:47,827
Speaker 20: shirt everything.

1462
01:17:48,147 --> 01:17:49,147
Speaker 18: It would be fantastic.

1463
01:17:50,427 --> 01:17:52,347
Speaker 2: Love that all right. We wait to see what happens

1464
01:17:52,347 --> 01:17:54,067
Speaker 2: on Wednesday morning, but it looks like the soccer who's

1465
01:17:54,067 --> 01:17:57,787
Speaker 2: all but through Hey to other matters. Cricket Ash's tickets

1466
01:17:57,827 --> 01:18:00,347
Speaker 2: went on sale this week matches in Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide,

1467
01:18:00,387 --> 01:18:04,067
Speaker 2: Melbourne and Sydney. Late November through December early January. Two

1468
01:18:04,267 --> 01:18:07,907
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand tickets sold on the opening day.

1469
01:18:08,987 --> 01:18:13,387
Speaker 20: Yeah, it's the ticket website wasn't the most popular thing

1470
01:18:13,387 --> 01:18:14,387
Speaker 20: in Australia a.

1471
01:18:14,347 --> 01:18:15,027
Speaker 4: Couple of days ago.

1472
01:18:15,147 --> 01:18:17,027
Speaker 20: It's kept on crashing and sending you back to the

1473
01:18:17,067 --> 01:18:19,227
Speaker 20: back of the qubit. It speaks volume for what the

1474
01:18:19,347 --> 01:18:21,707
Speaker 20: summer will be with the cricket and look England. I've

1475
01:18:21,707 --> 01:18:24,547
Speaker 20: got a massive Test series just about the start over

1476
01:18:24,587 --> 01:18:26,907
Speaker 20: there in England against India. Which I can't wait to

1477
01:18:26,947 --> 01:18:30,067
Speaker 20: watch personally, like just for Bulmer in English conditions, in

1478
01:18:30,187 --> 01:18:33,867
Speaker 20: what he did out here last summer, that will be magnificent.

1479
01:18:33,947 --> 01:18:37,747
Speaker 20: But yeah, Ashes are always built up and they become

1480
01:18:37,827 --> 01:18:40,707
Speaker 20: something a little extra now with this Brenda McCullum factor

1481
01:18:40,987 --> 01:18:43,547
Speaker 20: and how England play, and it's impossible to ignore.

1482
01:18:43,507 --> 01:18:44,627
Speaker 4: It's impossible not.

1483
01:18:44,587 --> 01:18:46,787
Speaker 20: To admire how they go about. Is it the smartest

1484
01:18:46,787 --> 01:18:49,987
Speaker 20: thing that, like Asposta Codlar, how he goes about setting

1485
01:18:50,067 --> 01:18:53,227
Speaker 20: up his d a little cavalier and open, opening yourself

1486
01:18:53,307 --> 01:18:55,827
Speaker 20: up for things to go wrong, but it's you can't

1487
01:18:55,867 --> 01:18:58,467
Speaker 20: look away. So yeah, that's why all those tickets went

1488
01:18:58,507 --> 01:19:00,667
Speaker 20: so quickly, and they'll keep on selling before they get here.

1489
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know a few on the side of

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01:19:03,667 --> 01:19:06,307
Speaker 2: the Tasman too have taken advantage. Producer Andy has got

1491
01:19:06,987 --> 01:19:09,427
Speaker 2: got tickets to Adelaide by the sounds of things, so

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01:19:09,467 --> 01:19:12,027
Speaker 2: he's done well there. And yeah, a lot of people

1493
01:19:12,227 --> 01:19:14,547
Speaker 2: will take the short hop across the Tasman to catch

1494
01:19:14,547 --> 01:19:17,147
Speaker 2: some Ashes action at the back end of the year. Hey,

1495
01:19:17,187 --> 01:19:19,787
Speaker 2: just to finish, melman Inger has been unveiled as the

1496
01:19:19,787 --> 01:19:23,267
Speaker 2: inaugural coach of the new Perth Bears NURL franchise when

1497
01:19:23,267 --> 01:19:25,787
Speaker 2: they enter the comp in twenty twenty seven. Is that's

1498
01:19:25,787 --> 01:19:26,427
Speaker 2: a good appointment.

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01:19:27,867 --> 01:19:32,067
Speaker 20: It's yeah, it's divided opinion a little. You look at

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01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:35,827
Speaker 20: it through the bottom of what that franchise needs in

1501
01:19:35,907 --> 01:19:38,427
Speaker 20: Perth and it's to be recognizable because it's not a

1502
01:19:38,507 --> 01:19:41,707
Speaker 20: Ropy League market and Malmanninger is one of those people

1503
01:19:41,747 --> 01:19:46,507
Speaker 20: who very rare people who cut through the AFL wall

1504
01:19:46,627 --> 01:19:48,707
Speaker 20: that is up if you like, in terms of knowledge

1505
01:19:48,747 --> 01:19:51,667
Speaker 20: that AFO people know who Maltaininger is big now member

1506
01:19:51,707 --> 01:19:54,027
Speaker 20: him from State of Vitagen back in the day. So yeah,

1507
01:19:54,267 --> 01:19:56,307
Speaker 20: he's a larger than a live character in that regard.

1508
01:19:56,387 --> 01:19:59,547
Speaker 20: But the flip side is that people think, well, he

1509
01:19:59,827 --> 01:20:02,667
Speaker 20: hasn't club coached in twenty five years. He's had Queensland,

1510
01:20:02,747 --> 01:20:06,547
Speaker 20: state of origin had it, all those legends towards all

1511
01:20:06,547 --> 01:20:08,827
Speaker 20: that success that they had, So how is it going

1512
01:20:08,907 --> 01:20:11,507
Speaker 20: to work? And the big thing is will be his

1513
01:20:11,587 --> 01:20:14,547
Speaker 20: coaching staff who's going to help him and not say

1514
01:20:15,667 --> 01:20:18,587
Speaker 20: mount be hands on coach. What I'm saying is that

1515
01:20:18,627 --> 01:20:21,907
Speaker 20: he will probably set up a structure and a system

1516
01:20:22,107 --> 01:20:25,707
Speaker 20: which he is a figurehead, but others do a lot

1517
01:20:25,747 --> 01:20:27,947
Speaker 20: of the hands on which happens a lot now in

1518
01:20:28,027 --> 01:20:32,227
Speaker 20: Rauguay League and all sorts. But yeah, now, very good organizationally,

1519
01:20:32,467 --> 01:20:35,467
Speaker 20: very good knowledge, very good motivating factors. I don't mind

1520
01:20:35,507 --> 01:20:38,107
Speaker 20: the appointment. A few people are hopping on it saying

1521
01:20:38,147 --> 01:20:40,507
Speaker 20: you can't coach, but it's changed now that role of

1522
01:20:40,587 --> 01:20:43,547
Speaker 20: coach has changed and now might be the perfect fit

1523
01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:45,507
Speaker 20: for what they need over there in the West.

1524
01:20:45,467 --> 01:20:47,747
Speaker 2: Because the old time in Australian sport. Adam, thanks for

1525
01:20:47,787 --> 01:20:49,867
Speaker 2: updating us as always, have a great weekend. We'll chat

1526
01:20:49,867 --> 01:20:50,547
Speaker 2: again next Saturday.

1527
01:20:50,707 --> 01:20:51,947
Speaker 20: You too, finding two mate.

1528
01:20:51,787 --> 01:20:55,427
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Adam. Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent O

1529
01:20:55,467 --> 01:20:58,347
Speaker 2: this time every Saturday. So you're those Ashes tickets two

1530
01:20:58,427 --> 01:21:01,987
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty thousand on one day of pre sales.

1531
01:21:02,027 --> 01:21:06,067
Speaker 2: The previous record was about half that and amongst the

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01:21:06,067 --> 01:21:09,907
Speaker 2: two undred and twenty thousand, Annie McDonald es Adelaide.

1533
01:21:10,227 --> 01:21:12,867
Speaker 21: Yes, I'm off to Adelaide, Piney, myself and my old

1534
01:21:12,907 --> 01:21:15,867
Speaker 21: man are going along. I've got no affinity with either teams,

1535
01:21:15,907 --> 01:21:18,307
Speaker 21: but you can't say no to the Ashes win in

1536
01:21:18,347 --> 01:21:22,867
Speaker 21: this closely around so often it doesn't really matter. But yeah,

1537
01:21:22,867 --> 01:21:24,747
Speaker 21: how long did you have to wait for? How long

1538
01:21:24,787 --> 01:21:26,187
Speaker 21: did it take you to get tickets. No, it was

1539
01:21:26,227 --> 01:21:29,747
Speaker 21: pretty quirk. Actually it's only about fifteen or so minutes.

1540
01:21:29,947 --> 01:21:31,467
Speaker 21: I waited half an hour in the que to get

1541
01:21:31,467 --> 01:21:35,147
Speaker 21: Pelican's tickets in Melbourne. But earlier in the week, last

1542
01:21:35,187 --> 01:21:37,947
Speaker 21: week's I've spent a lot, a lot of my meager

1543
01:21:38,027 --> 01:21:40,427
Speaker 21: salary on tickets to Australia for sports.

1544
01:21:40,427 --> 01:21:42,667
Speaker 2: At the moment, I don't mind it. What else are

1545
01:21:42,667 --> 01:21:46,707
Speaker 2: you going to spend it on booze anyway? Seven to

1546
01:21:46,707 --> 01:21:47,747
Speaker 2: two News talks.

1547
01:21:47,547 --> 01:21:52,107
Speaker 1: MBACH analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

1548
01:21:52,307 --> 01:21:57,547
Speaker 9: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine call Us talks eNB.

1549
01:21:58,147 --> 01:21:59,987
Speaker 2: Just on four to two. Quite cold, isn't it. I'm

1550
01:22:00,027 --> 01:22:02,547
Speaker 2: just having a look at met Services map of New Zealand.

1551
01:22:03,107 --> 01:22:06,307
Speaker 2: I can't find anywhere really that's much above about twelve

1552
01:22:06,467 --> 01:22:08,827
Speaker 2: thirteen degrees. So hope you're ragged up we are. Oh,

1553
01:22:08,827 --> 01:22:12,187
Speaker 2: here you go Todonger, Toadonger, fourteen degrees. What a surprise

1554
01:22:12,747 --> 01:22:15,907
Speaker 2: that in one of the sunshine centers of New Zealand

1555
01:22:16,027 --> 01:22:18,107
Speaker 2: is a with the sun. Well done to the good

1556
01:22:18,107 --> 01:22:21,667
Speaker 2: folk of Todonger. After two o'clock, Michael Boxel out of

1557
01:22:21,667 --> 01:22:24,627
Speaker 2: the All Whites, Jack Measley, Chief executive of Super Raguby

1558
01:22:24,667 --> 01:22:30,987
Speaker 2: Pacific and Minty Meat our chiefs commentators.

1559
01:22:28,947 --> 01:22:31,867
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1560
01:22:32,227 --> 01:22:33,387
Speaker 1: and after fields.

1561
01:22:33,907 --> 01:22:37,267
Speaker 9: It's all on Wi Jin Sport with Jason Paine on

1562
01:22:37,427 --> 01:22:38,347
Speaker 9: your home of Sport.

1563
01:22:41,787 --> 01:22:44,587
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back into the show. I'm Jason Pine,

1564
01:22:44,587 --> 01:22:47,187
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald. The show produces This is our Weekend Sport

1565
01:22:47,227 --> 01:22:50,467
Speaker 2: until three when Tim Beveridge charges in and takes over

1566
01:22:52,227 --> 01:22:56,707
Speaker 2: Saturday edition of the Weekend Collective and all the goodness

1567
01:22:57,147 --> 01:23:01,947
Speaker 2: wrapped around that particular show from Daniel, you were talking

1568
01:23:01,947 --> 01:23:06,267
Speaker 2: to Adam Peacock about Saudi Arabia needing to beat Australia

1569
01:23:06,627 --> 01:23:10,707
Speaker 2: five clear goals to deny them that spot at the

1570
01:23:10,747 --> 01:23:14,547
Speaker 2: World Cup. Daniel says, I remember the nineteen eighty one

1571
01:23:14,587 --> 01:23:17,947
Speaker 2: all Whites had to beat Saudi Arabia five nil to

1572
01:23:18,067 --> 01:23:20,507
Speaker 2: qualify to play China for a place at the eighty

1573
01:23:20,507 --> 01:23:23,267
Speaker 2: two World Cup. You did, rite, Daniel. Daniel goes on

1574
01:23:23,307 --> 01:23:25,747
Speaker 2: to say we were up five nil at halftime, had

1575
01:23:25,747 --> 01:23:28,627
Speaker 2: to sweat through the second half. It finished five nil.

1576
01:23:28,667 --> 01:23:31,627
Speaker 2: Winton Rufer with a couple of the goals you did, right.

1577
01:23:31,947 --> 01:23:35,507
Speaker 2: I remember getting up to watch that game. If we

1578
01:23:35,707 --> 01:23:37,867
Speaker 2: won six nil, we would have gone straight to the

1579
01:23:37,907 --> 01:23:41,667
Speaker 2: World Cup. The fact that it finished five nil meant

1580
01:23:41,667 --> 01:23:45,547
Speaker 2: that we had to play China and that playoff in

1581
01:23:45,627 --> 01:23:49,027
Speaker 2: Singapore in early nineteen eighty two got there. Winton Roof

1582
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:53,467
Speaker 2: got a goal that day too. Good memory, Michael, very

1583
01:23:53,467 --> 01:23:56,667
Speaker 2: good memory. This hour, speaking of football, we're inside the

1584
01:23:56,707 --> 01:24:00,267
Speaker 2: All Whites camp Michael Boxel out of Canada, where the

1585
01:24:00,307 --> 01:24:03,547
Speaker 2: All Whites will tomorrow morning play the Ivory Coast and

1586
01:24:03,547 --> 01:24:06,787
Speaker 2: then on Wednesday morning play Ukraine. Two very good games

1587
01:24:07,467 --> 01:24:09,267
Speaker 2: I think for the All Whites right now as they

1588
01:24:10,267 --> 01:24:12,507
Speaker 2: start their build up rarely to the World Cup next year.

1589
01:24:12,547 --> 01:24:15,067
Speaker 2: It's a year away now, Journe July next year, so

1590
01:24:15,467 --> 01:24:18,667
Speaker 2: and this time next year will be in World Cup mode. Outstanding.

1591
01:24:18,867 --> 01:24:21,587
Speaker 2: The draws made in December, so we'll know then who

1592
01:24:21,627 --> 01:24:23,507
Speaker 2: the All Whites are playing. Anyway, they're playing Ivory Coach

1593
01:24:23,507 --> 01:24:28,107
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, Ukraine on Wednesday. Michael Boxil shortly moreg before

1594
01:24:28,107 --> 01:24:31,787
Speaker 2: you as well. Jack Mesley, chief executive of Super Ragby Pacific,

1595
01:24:31,827 --> 01:24:34,147
Speaker 2: just some thoughts on this finals format which has got

1596
01:24:34,227 --> 01:24:36,787
Speaker 2: us all talking, but also the success of the round

1597
01:24:36,867 --> 01:24:41,627
Speaker 2: robin segment of Super Rugby Pacific and Graham Minty Mead

1598
01:24:41,907 --> 01:24:45,347
Speaker 2: as always will be behind the mic for Chiefs home games,

1599
01:24:45,627 --> 01:24:47,747
Speaker 2: or has been this year and will be tonight when

1600
01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:50,907
Speaker 2: the Chiefs take on the Blues. Gold Sport and iHeartRadio

1601
01:24:50,987 --> 01:24:53,987
Speaker 2: Graham Minty Mead with a scene set of for us

1602
01:24:54,467 --> 01:24:57,947
Speaker 2: before we close at three o'clock. You can continue to

1603
01:24:57,947 --> 01:25:01,147
Speaker 2: get in touch in the way that is most suitable

1604
01:25:01,147 --> 01:25:03,707
Speaker 2: for you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will

1605
01:25:03,707 --> 01:25:05,747
Speaker 2: get you throw on the phones nine two nine two

1606
01:25:05,827 --> 01:25:08,867
Speaker 2: via text emails to Jason at Newstalk SDB dot cot

1607
01:25:08,907 --> 01:25:11,267
Speaker 2: ont inzad. But it's nine past two, so as we

1608
01:25:11,307 --> 01:25:14,147
Speaker 2: always do at around about this time, let's get you

1609
01:25:14,227 --> 01:25:17,067
Speaker 2: across some of the stuff you might have missed, some

1610
01:25:17,187 --> 01:25:20,467
Speaker 2: of the sporting things that have played out over the

1611
01:25:20,547 --> 01:25:22,987
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours or so. In case you missed it,

1612
01:25:23,267 --> 01:25:25,587
Speaker 2: there were a couple of big blowouts in the NROL

1613
01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:31,027
Speaker 2: last night. First the Storm celebrating coach Craig Bellamy's contract extension,

1614
01:25:31,547 --> 01:25:35,107
Speaker 2: running hot all over the Cowboys. When is their friend?

1615
01:25:35,147 --> 01:25:38,987
Speaker 2: Here is a friendship back at Coats. Coats goes again.

1616
01:25:39,587 --> 01:25:41,307
Speaker 3: From Zuwana wishar Whisha.

1617
01:25:41,547 --> 01:25:43,347
Speaker 2: We'll go for the line a score.

1618
01:25:45,107 --> 01:25:51,907
Speaker 3: Zavia Coats brilliant Tyrant Wisher departure to tell the finishing start.

1619
01:25:51,947 --> 01:25:55,387
Speaker 2: A thirty eight to fourteen win for the Storm over

1620
01:25:55,427 --> 01:25:59,147
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. Then at sun Corps Stadium, the Dolphins putting

1621
01:25:59,227 --> 01:26:03,227
Speaker 2: up a scarcely believable scoreline against the Dragons. We're going

1622
01:26:03,307 --> 01:26:05,507
Speaker 2: to move to night and it's going to keep piling

1623
01:26:05,627 --> 01:26:08,707
Speaker 2: on the points. Here nick A rima outfoot Bosto.

1624
01:26:08,707 --> 01:26:11,187
Speaker 3: Lovely ball into the backfield back.

1625
01:26:11,027 --> 01:26:11,667
Speaker 19: For the Hemmer.

1626
01:26:11,787 --> 01:26:12,467
Speaker 2: Once again.

1627
01:26:12,987 --> 01:26:13,667
Speaker 9: What a show.

1628
01:26:13,867 --> 01:26:14,427
Speaker 4: This is.

1629
01:26:16,067 --> 01:26:18,187
Speaker 15: The Dolphins turning it on like.

1630
01:26:18,307 --> 01:26:21,387
Speaker 2: They rarely have. He and I went at fifty six

1631
01:26:21,467 --> 01:26:25,147
Speaker 2: points to six. As you heard earlier in the show,

1632
01:26:25,227 --> 01:26:28,187
Speaker 2: Tom Walsh has won the means shot put at the

1633
01:26:28,267 --> 01:26:30,107
Speaker 2: latest Diamond League events in Rome.

1634
01:26:30,267 --> 01:26:34,827
Speaker 14: This is Tom Walsh, the New Zealander, still in great

1635
01:26:34,947 --> 01:26:35,707
Speaker 14: form of boss.

1636
01:26:36,707 --> 01:26:37,747
Speaker 2: That's pretty good as well.

1637
01:26:37,987 --> 01:26:41,187
Speaker 14: Very close to twenty two meters now, that would be

1638
01:26:41,187 --> 01:26:44,027
Speaker 14: as good as he's done all yeah, so far. Pointing

1639
01:26:44,067 --> 01:26:47,187
Speaker 14: to the camera say there you go, Tom Walsh early

1640
01:26:47,267 --> 01:26:50,627
Speaker 14: on setting a mark here. One or two of the

1641
01:26:50,667 --> 01:26:53,147
Speaker 14: big names have yet to really get the season. Going

1642
01:26:53,227 --> 01:26:56,107
Speaker 14: twenty one to eighty nine for the New Zealander.

1643
01:26:56,187 --> 01:26:58,347
Speaker 2: That puts him in an early lead and he held

1644
01:26:58,387 --> 01:27:01,467
Speaker 2: on to that lead to win in Rome to the

1645
01:27:01,787 --> 01:27:05,427
Speaker 2: French Open at Roland Gaross and the Means single semi finals.

1646
01:27:05,467 --> 01:27:09,347
Speaker 2: Yannick Center has beaten Novak Djokovic and straight sets.

1647
01:27:11,347 --> 01:27:17,347
Speaker 22: Books his ticket to the Rolling Jarros Final. He takes

1648
01:27:17,387 --> 01:27:21,507
Speaker 22: out the former champion under the lates here in Paris

1649
01:27:21,547 --> 01:27:26,667
Speaker 22: to record a twentieth successive when at a major.

1650
01:27:26,947 --> 01:27:30,227
Speaker 2: And it may be Novak Djokovic's last ever matchic Roland Garros.

1651
01:27:30,347 --> 01:27:32,667
Speaker 2: We wait and see, but for Yannik he'll be up

1652
01:27:32,707 --> 01:27:41,787
Speaker 2: against the leg Agendas. Mussetia has been dished.

1653
01:27:41,467 --> 01:27:47,307
Speaker 22: Out, So Carlos Alkas a return to the final.

1654
01:27:47,707 --> 01:27:50,827
Speaker 2: Carlos Elkrezen to the final, the Prince of Clay with

1655
01:27:50,947 --> 01:27:53,787
Speaker 2: a chance to defend his title. And finally, it may

1656
01:27:53,827 --> 01:27:56,747
Speaker 2: sound like de javu, but in Game one of the

1657
01:27:56,867 --> 01:28:00,987
Speaker 2: NBA Finals, the Indiana Pacers were behind for the entire

1658
01:28:01,067 --> 01:28:06,187
Speaker 2: game until Tyrese Haliburton showed up a Pacis little.

1659
01:28:06,067 --> 01:28:10,107
Speaker 3: Chance winning five circond still fouls to Joe Haliburton, looking

1660
01:28:10,507 --> 01:28:12,147
Speaker 3: Haliburton driving poss up.

1661
01:28:12,147 --> 01:28:15,387
Speaker 2: Jump shot Let's.

1662
01:28:14,267 --> 01:28:16,747
Speaker 3: Goal with three turns of a second.

1663
01:28:16,427 --> 01:28:21,267
Speaker 2: Remaining time out. Okay, see Tyrese Haliburton.

1664
01:28:20,827 --> 01:28:24,627
Speaker 1: Does it again, breaking down the Hail Mary's and the

1665
01:28:24,667 --> 01:28:31,107
Speaker 1: epic fails weekend sport with Jason Pine New Stork Zenvy.

1666
01:28:31,307 --> 01:28:34,827
Speaker 2: It's thirteen pasted to the All Whites in action tomorrow

1667
01:28:34,867 --> 01:28:37,707
Speaker 2: morning for the first time since they earned World Cup

1668
01:28:37,787 --> 01:28:42,107
Speaker 2: qualification earlier this year. Tavreze drops it on the goal line.

1669
01:28:42,107 --> 01:28:45,867
Speaker 14: It and its time at New Zealand had their goal,

1670
01:28:46,227 --> 01:28:49,347
Speaker 14: and Michael Poxel, who has never.

1671
01:28:49,187 --> 01:28:52,427
Speaker 2: Scored for the All Whites, comes up back with it

1672
01:28:52,587 --> 01:28:58,667
Speaker 2: matters most fifty fifth international for the oldest statesman at

1673
01:28:58,667 --> 01:29:02,987
Speaker 2: this site, his first international goal and New Zealand taking

1674
01:29:03,067 --> 01:29:06,107
Speaker 2: one near lead. The scorer of that goal Whites defend

1675
01:29:06,147 --> 01:29:08,547
Speaker 2: him called Boxil as well as Michael. Thanks for your time.

1676
01:29:08,627 --> 01:29:11,587
Speaker 2: Has the camp been as you build towards these games,

1677
01:29:11,627 --> 01:29:15,547
Speaker 2: coach Deuvoir Ivory Coast tomorrow morning and then a game

1678
01:29:15,587 --> 01:29:17,587
Speaker 2: against Ukraine on Wednesday.

1679
01:29:18,307 --> 01:29:19,907
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's been great. The first couple of days.

1680
01:29:19,907 --> 01:29:23,107
Speaker 23: Obviously still waiting on one or two arrivals, but yeah,

1681
01:29:23,147 --> 01:29:26,267
Speaker 23: the first couple of days of training have have gone,

1682
01:29:26,347 --> 01:29:29,507
Speaker 23: have gone well. Obviously, everyone's still kind of riding on

1683
01:29:29,547 --> 01:29:32,347
Speaker 23: the high after the night of Eden Park in March,

1684
01:29:33,147 --> 01:29:35,027
Speaker 23: so where Yeah, we're looking forward to to getting on

1685
01:29:35,067 --> 01:29:35,587
Speaker 23: the field again.

1686
01:29:35,707 --> 01:29:37,147
Speaker 2: I was going to ask that, actually, is there a

1687
01:29:37,147 --> 01:29:38,987
Speaker 2: bit of a buzz now, an extra buzz around the

1688
01:29:38,987 --> 01:29:41,547
Speaker 2: group knowing that every time you get together now it's

1689
01:29:41,547 --> 01:29:44,467
Speaker 2: a step towards your participation at the World Cup in

1690
01:29:44,507 --> 01:29:45,347
Speaker 2: about a year from now.

1691
01:29:46,227 --> 01:29:49,707
Speaker 23: Yeah, absolutely, I think it's. Yeah, there's the expectations have

1692
01:29:49,787 --> 01:29:52,707
Speaker 23: kind of risen, and I think the group is kind

1693
01:29:52,707 --> 01:29:56,547
Speaker 23: of well aware of what's on the horizon. And yeah,

1694
01:29:56,587 --> 01:29:59,027
Speaker 23: there's not too many windows left for us to really

1695
01:29:59,067 --> 01:30:02,027
Speaker 23: prepare for the type of opposition we're going to face.

1696
01:30:02,027 --> 01:30:03,947
Speaker 23: And obviously this week this weekend is going to be

1697
01:30:03,987 --> 01:30:07,947
Speaker 23: a tough one against Ivory Coast. So yeah, everyone's excited

1698
01:30:08,267 --> 01:30:12,107
Speaker 23: to move forward, and yeah, just make sure everyone's still

1699
01:30:12,427 --> 01:30:15,227
Speaker 23: taking over really well so that everyone's in the best place.

1700
01:30:16,627 --> 01:30:18,107
Speaker 17: Come Dune twenty twenty six.

1701
01:30:18,267 --> 01:30:20,427
Speaker 2: You, of course scored your first goal for New Zealand,

1702
01:30:20,427 --> 01:30:23,307
Speaker 2: and that ofc finally against New Caledonia allowed us all

1703
01:30:23,307 --> 01:30:24,987
Speaker 2: to take a bit of a sigh of relief after

1704
01:30:25,027 --> 01:30:27,667
Speaker 2: an hour of hour of goal all. So should we

1705
01:30:27,707 --> 01:30:29,587
Speaker 2: now expect many more goals from you?

1706
01:30:32,467 --> 01:30:35,747
Speaker 23: I wouldn't help my breath of oz you, bunny, but no, no,

1707
01:30:35,787 --> 01:30:39,467
Speaker 23: I think yeah, I think we're obviously doing other work

1708
01:30:39,467 --> 01:30:42,307
Speaker 23: on the field, and I think if, yeah, the occasion

1709
01:30:42,347 --> 01:30:45,027
Speaker 23: arises on another set piece or whatnot, I'd love to

1710
01:30:45,787 --> 01:30:47,267
Speaker 23: double my quota for the national team.

1711
01:30:47,267 --> 01:30:47,667
Speaker 17: For sure.

1712
01:30:49,387 --> 01:30:52,067
Speaker 2: You've got fifty five caps. Now a few more and

1713
01:30:52,107 --> 01:30:55,747
Speaker 2: you'll move into the top ten all time appearance makers

1714
01:30:55,787 --> 01:30:57,827
Speaker 2: for the All Whites. How do you reflect back in

1715
01:30:57,867 --> 01:31:00,827
Speaker 2: general terms on what's now been nearly a decade and

1716
01:31:00,907 --> 01:31:02,467
Speaker 2: a half in the national side.

1717
01:31:03,987 --> 01:31:07,907
Speaker 23: Oh, I think for me, it's kind of the journey

1718
01:31:07,907 --> 01:31:11,547
Speaker 23: I've been on. I think mostly with Woodsy and Smithy,

1719
01:31:12,067 --> 01:31:14,187
Speaker 23: who've kind of been there the whole way. For me,

1720
01:31:14,267 --> 01:31:17,907
Speaker 23: I think just seeing how all three of our journeys

1721
01:31:17,907 --> 01:31:21,547
Speaker 23: have kind of unraveled and cross pass here at cross

1722
01:31:21,547 --> 01:31:25,867
Speaker 23: paths here and there, and yeah, I think as with

1723
01:31:26,587 --> 01:31:29,387
Speaker 23: all three of us have have recently become fathers as well.

1724
01:31:31,067 --> 01:31:32,747
Speaker 23: I don't know, just the journey on and off the

1725
01:31:33,307 --> 01:31:35,347
Speaker 23: on and off the football pitchers has been a special

1726
01:31:35,347 --> 01:31:38,987
Speaker 23: one with with those two guys, and obviously Woodsy has

1727
01:31:39,027 --> 01:31:42,387
Speaker 23: had a hell of a year and then we're we're

1728
01:31:42,387 --> 01:31:44,707
Speaker 23: hoping this the next twelve months is there's got to

1729
01:31:44,747 --> 01:31:46,427
Speaker 23: be another special one for for all three of us

1730
01:31:46,467 --> 01:31:51,267
Speaker 23: as well. So yeah, seeing seeing a lot of lowers

1731
01:31:51,387 --> 01:31:55,267
Speaker 23: and a few highs more recently. So yeah, it's just

1732
01:31:55,267 --> 01:31:58,707
Speaker 23: been a journey I'm grateful for and yeah, hoping hoping

1733
01:31:58,747 --> 01:32:02,387
Speaker 23: the body sticks together for another twelve months that continues.

1734
01:32:02,987 --> 01:32:05,787
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I'm sure it will. If past history is

1735
01:32:05,827 --> 01:32:07,587
Speaker 2: anything to go by, there's no problem. They want to

1736
01:32:07,587 --> 01:32:09,187
Speaker 2: get to that in a minute. But you talked about

1737
01:32:09,227 --> 01:32:11,067
Speaker 2: Chris Wood and Tommy Smith. I guess the difference is

1738
01:32:11,347 --> 01:32:13,507
Speaker 2: they went to the twenty ten World Cup. You debut

1739
01:32:13,547 --> 01:32:16,307
Speaker 2: for New Zealand the following year in twenty eleven, just

1740
01:32:16,387 --> 01:32:19,787
Speaker 2: after that. How much would going to a World Cup

1741
01:32:19,867 --> 01:32:20,427
Speaker 2: mean to you?

1742
01:32:23,187 --> 01:32:25,667
Speaker 23: I think it's kind of the icing on the cake, really,

1743
01:32:25,707 --> 01:32:30,107
Speaker 23: I think, Yeah, obviously been playing professionally for fifteen years

1744
01:32:30,307 --> 01:32:34,107
Speaker 23: and played on some pretty big stages, obviously the Olympics

1745
01:32:34,107 --> 01:32:38,187
Speaker 23: once or twice, a few kind of hope profile.

1746
01:32:39,307 --> 01:32:41,747
Speaker 17: World Cup playoffs. But I think to.

1747
01:32:44,027 --> 01:32:45,947
Speaker 23: I don't know who knows if it's the end, but

1748
01:32:46,027 --> 01:32:47,867
Speaker 23: to towards the end of my career, to have this

1749
01:32:48,747 --> 01:32:52,107
Speaker 23: World Cup there with yeah, friends, family, my children in

1750
01:32:52,147 --> 01:32:54,067
Speaker 23: attendance will be a special one.

1751
01:32:54,107 --> 01:32:54,667
Speaker 17: Absolutely.

1752
01:32:55,547 --> 01:32:59,907
Speaker 2: And you have you know, you're famous for your level

1753
01:32:59,907 --> 01:33:02,347
Speaker 2: of fitness and the way you look after yourself, the

1754
01:33:02,387 --> 01:33:05,507
Speaker 2: way that you're still you know, playing every single week

1755
01:33:05,547 --> 01:33:08,147
Speaker 2: for Minnesota. I did. Look, I'm not saying I mean,

1756
01:33:08,187 --> 01:33:10,147
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're old by any streets, but you know,

1757
01:33:10,827 --> 01:33:15,467
Speaker 2: you're probably closer to the You're probably closer to the

1758
01:33:15,507 --> 01:33:16,947
Speaker 2: end of your career than the start of it. But

1759
01:33:16,987 --> 01:33:20,147
Speaker 2: what have been the strategies you've employed, particularly in the

1760
01:33:20,227 --> 01:33:23,547
Speaker 2: last few years that have kept you so fit, so competitive,

1761
01:33:23,587 --> 01:33:24,227
Speaker 2: so consistent.

1762
01:33:26,347 --> 01:33:30,147
Speaker 23: I think I really noticed probably the difference around like

1763
01:33:30,187 --> 01:33:33,907
Speaker 23: when COVID hit is kind of obviously everything shut down,

1764
01:33:33,947 --> 01:33:37,387
Speaker 23: and that's when like I pretty much have given up alcohol.

1765
01:33:37,427 --> 01:33:41,747
Speaker 23: Since then, I've noticed a huge difference in that. And

1766
01:33:41,787 --> 01:33:45,707
Speaker 23: then just having children, you just you kind of give

1767
01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:48,667
Speaker 23: up going a restaurant, so just cooking healthy meals at home.

1768
01:33:48,867 --> 01:33:51,627
Speaker 17: So I think those two things, and.

1769
01:33:53,187 --> 01:33:56,547
Speaker 23: Obviously we've spoken to four about about the regiment I

1770
01:33:56,627 --> 01:33:59,347
Speaker 23: always do with coach sins that I carry into my

1771
01:33:59,347 --> 01:34:01,707
Speaker 23: season and particularly the off season just in the weight

1772
01:34:01,787 --> 01:34:05,187
Speaker 23: room a lot. So I'd say, yeah, those those three

1773
01:34:05,227 --> 01:34:11,947
Speaker 23: things kind of have have helped me stay healthy. And yeah,

1774
01:34:12,027 --> 01:34:15,307
Speaker 23: I think being in and around all the younger players

1775
01:34:15,307 --> 01:34:17,427
Speaker 23: on the national team kind of keep you rejuvenated and

1776
01:34:17,707 --> 01:34:21,907
Speaker 23: excited to keep keep pursuing the game and getting after

1777
01:34:22,147 --> 01:34:25,827
Speaker 23: the challenges as is pretty awesome as well.

1778
01:34:26,307 --> 01:34:26,427
Speaker 4: Well.

1779
01:34:26,467 --> 01:34:28,827
Speaker 2: I guess that's a feature of this current squad is

1780
01:34:28,867 --> 01:34:33,427
Speaker 2: the is the high quality cohort of center backs that

1781
01:34:33,507 --> 01:34:36,587
Speaker 2: you have in the national team. Now, competition for those

1782
01:34:36,627 --> 01:34:40,507
Speaker 2: places is pretty fierce. How do you approach that? I mean,

1783
01:34:40,787 --> 01:34:43,227
Speaker 2: everybody wants to play, you know, there's no there's no

1784
01:34:43,587 --> 01:34:46,107
Speaker 2: denying that, But how do you how do you still

1785
01:34:46,147 --> 01:34:49,747
Speaker 2: employ a team first mentality with so much competition for

1786
01:34:50,067 --> 01:34:51,667
Speaker 2: those positions in central defense?

1787
01:34:53,587 --> 01:34:55,947
Speaker 23: I think first and foremost just doing your job at

1788
01:34:57,347 --> 01:34:59,467
Speaker 23: at club level to making sure that when we do

1789
01:34:59,507 --> 01:35:01,627
Speaker 23: show up for these windows of what it's four or

1790
01:35:01,627 --> 01:35:06,387
Speaker 23: five times a year, that you're you're really firing. And

1791
01:35:06,427 --> 01:35:08,747
Speaker 23: then it's yeah, it's up to pace to make those

1792
01:35:09,307 --> 01:35:13,547
Speaker 23: make those decisions, and I think, yeah, this this obviously

1793
01:35:13,547 --> 01:35:16,107
Speaker 23: Finn's been he's had a great start to his life

1794
01:35:16,107 --> 01:35:19,187
Speaker 23: in the MLS. Obviously Tyler Binnon's had a great year

1795
01:35:19,227 --> 01:35:22,067
Speaker 23: in League one. So yeah, we just do our best

1796
01:35:22,067 --> 01:35:24,867
Speaker 23: to make those decisions as it's difficult from as possible,

1797
01:35:24,907 --> 01:35:27,267
Speaker 23: and then at the end of the day, All I

1798
01:35:27,267 --> 01:35:31,027
Speaker 23: want is what's best for the national team, and obviously

1799
01:35:31,027 --> 01:35:31,307
Speaker 23: I can.

1800
01:35:31,587 --> 01:35:32,627
Speaker 17: Yeah, I just want to see us.

1801
01:35:32,667 --> 01:35:34,427
Speaker 23: If we can get out of the group stage next year,

1802
01:35:34,467 --> 01:35:39,827
Speaker 23: they'll be absolutely amazing. And whatever part I play, obviously

1803
01:35:39,827 --> 01:35:42,787
Speaker 23: I'll work hard to make sure I'm one of the eleven.

1804
01:35:42,867 --> 01:35:45,427
Speaker 23: But if not, then those guys are going to be

1805
01:35:45,467 --> 01:35:47,987
Speaker 23: more than ready as well. So yeah, do you just

1806
01:35:47,987 --> 01:35:51,187
Speaker 23: want to see this team do well on that stage.

1807
01:35:51,827 --> 01:35:54,147
Speaker 2: You've had the chance to play alongside Tyler for the

1808
01:35:54,227 --> 01:35:57,787
Speaker 2: national side a few times now. How have you evaluated

1809
01:35:57,827 --> 01:35:59,507
Speaker 2: his development as a footballer.

1810
01:36:01,427 --> 01:36:03,787
Speaker 23: I think it's growth, particularly in the last i'd say

1811
01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:06,667
Speaker 23: eighteen months, has been been pretty huge.

1812
01:36:06,707 --> 01:36:07,747
Speaker 17: I think looking back to.

1813
01:36:09,507 --> 01:36:13,027
Speaker 23: Much of last year against Egypt where he I think

1814
01:36:13,067 --> 01:36:17,227
Speaker 23: playing against Mamus Well just after that got to move

1815
01:36:17,267 --> 01:36:19,947
Speaker 23: to Man City and he was playing fullback against those

1816
01:36:19,987 --> 01:36:23,027
Speaker 23: types of wingers and I did not look out of place.

1817
01:36:23,067 --> 01:36:28,307
Speaker 23: And then obviously another is what he's so young and

1818
01:36:28,347 --> 01:36:31,987
Speaker 23: played over one hundred games in the English leagues, which

1819
01:36:32,027 --> 01:36:36,747
Speaker 23: is no easy feat. So he's yeah, come on immensely,

1820
01:36:36,787 --> 01:36:40,467
Speaker 23: and I think his personality is such a good fit

1821
01:36:40,507 --> 01:36:43,467
Speaker 23: for this group. He's obviously he loves the work, loves

1822
01:36:43,507 --> 01:36:44,947
Speaker 23: to put his body on the line. But then it's

1823
01:36:44,947 --> 01:36:46,627
Speaker 23: such an awesome grounded could as.

1824
01:36:46,507 --> 01:36:49,467
Speaker 2: Well fantastic they've got your rooming worth or do you?

1825
01:36:49,507 --> 01:36:51,027
Speaker 2: Are you now at the stage where you get your

1826
01:36:51,027 --> 01:36:51,467
Speaker 2: own room?

1827
01:36:52,787 --> 01:36:56,187
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm fortunate enough where yeah I'm on my own.

1828
01:36:56,827 --> 01:36:59,947
Speaker 2: Love well seen you already does have its benefits. That's

1829
01:36:59,947 --> 01:37:03,667
Speaker 2: good to know. Brilliant hy boxing. Great to catch up

1830
01:37:03,667 --> 01:37:05,947
Speaker 2: ahead of these two games. Always enjoy having a chat

1831
01:37:05,947 --> 01:37:09,347
Speaker 2: made all the against Ivory Coast and Ukraine and look

1832
01:37:09,387 --> 01:37:10,947
Speaker 2: forward to to seeing how you guys get on.

1833
01:37:11,907 --> 01:37:14,467
Speaker 17: Thank you mate, Always appreciate catching up with you now.

1834
01:37:14,507 --> 01:37:16,907
Speaker 2: You take care to Michael things. Indeed, Michael Boxele there

1835
01:37:17,987 --> 01:37:21,187
Speaker 2: one of the senior members of the squad but still

1836
01:37:21,267 --> 01:37:24,107
Speaker 2: in supreme shape. But yeah, you look at those center

1837
01:37:24,147 --> 01:37:28,107
Speaker 2: backs that Darren Basley has to choose between in the squad.

1838
01:37:28,147 --> 01:37:31,427
Speaker 2: He's got Michael Boxell, Tyler Binden who's just had a

1839
01:37:31,467 --> 01:37:35,707
Speaker 2: superb season at Reading and has now joined Nottingham Forest

1840
01:37:35,707 --> 01:37:39,227
Speaker 2: in the Premier League. Finn Sermon, who I see yesterday

1841
01:37:39,347 --> 01:37:43,507
Speaker 2: his coach at Portland Timbers. Phil Neville, former Manchester United

1842
01:37:43,547 --> 01:37:46,107
Speaker 2: and England defender who's a pretty good judge of a player,

1843
01:37:46,547 --> 01:37:50,627
Speaker 2: said Tyler Binden. Sorry, Finn Sermon is the best defender

1844
01:37:50,707 --> 01:37:55,827
Speaker 2: in the MLS. That's the top American competition. So there's him,

1845
01:37:56,187 --> 01:37:59,747
Speaker 2: then Nando Pinnaker who's had an outstanding season for Auckland FC,

1846
01:38:00,307 --> 01:38:03,587
Speaker 2: and Tommy Smith, the veteran who's been there for fifteen years.

1847
01:38:04,347 --> 01:38:08,867
Speaker 2: Five top quality center acts and Darren Basley more often

1848
01:38:08,867 --> 01:38:11,507
Speaker 2: than not plays are back four. So there's only two

1849
01:38:11,787 --> 01:38:17,107
Speaker 2: central defensive spots available, so much competition for places. Ivory

1850
01:38:17,147 --> 01:38:20,107
Speaker 2: Coast tomorrow morning, that game's actual eleven o'clock New Zealand time.

1851
01:38:20,987 --> 01:38:23,947
Speaker 2: They are forty first in the world at the moment,

1852
01:38:24,507 --> 01:38:27,347
Speaker 2: and then on Wednesday morning at nine o'clock it is

1853
01:38:28,067 --> 01:38:31,707
Speaker 2: Ukraine who are currently twenty fifth in the world. So

1854
01:38:31,787 --> 01:38:34,667
Speaker 2: this is a really good gauge for New Zealand's Look.

1855
01:38:34,987 --> 01:38:37,707
Speaker 2: FIFA rankings, you know, pack them with a grain of salt,

1856
01:38:37,707 --> 01:38:40,787
Speaker 2: particularly when you get down below about number forty on

1857
01:38:40,867 --> 01:38:43,747
Speaker 2: New Zealand to eighty sixth for example, But would beat

1858
01:38:43,787 --> 01:38:46,307
Speaker 2: a lot of sides I think in the sort of

1859
01:38:46,147 --> 01:38:48,627
Speaker 2: the fifty to eighty range. But how will they go

1860
01:38:48,667 --> 01:38:51,347
Speaker 2: against a couple of sides a bit higher up Ivory

1861
01:38:51,347 --> 01:38:53,467
Speaker 2: Coast forty first Ukraine twenty fifth. These will be good

1862
01:38:53,507 --> 01:38:55,827
Speaker 2: games for Darren Basley's side as they prepare for the

1863
01:38:55,827 --> 01:38:59,667
Speaker 2: World Cup next year. Two twenty three it is We're

1864
01:38:59,667 --> 01:39:02,067
Speaker 2: going to take a great comeback and get back into

1865
01:39:02,187 --> 01:39:05,627
Speaker 2: rugby mode. Before three o'clock we'll talk to our commentator

1866
01:39:05,707 --> 01:39:09,067
Speaker 2: in Hamilton, Graham Minty Mead ahead of Chiefs Blues next up,

1867
01:39:09,107 --> 01:39:12,707
Speaker 2: though Super Rugby Pacific CEO Jack Mesley is with us.

1868
01:39:13,307 --> 01:39:16,827
Speaker 9: The biggest seams in sports are on Weekend Sports with

1869
01:39:17,027 --> 01:39:18,547
Speaker 9: Jason Pain and GJ.

1870
01:39:18,747 --> 01:39:22,427
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1871
01:39:23,347 --> 01:39:25,347
Speaker 2: What are we two twenty six on News Talks THEREB

1872
01:39:25,387 --> 01:39:28,347
Speaker 2: We're into finals weekend and Super Rugby Pacific.

1873
01:39:27,987 --> 01:39:31,867
Speaker 17: Back to Subu Reese and he boots it over the.

1874
01:39:31,947 --> 01:39:37,507
Speaker 3: South brandstand and the Crusaders are through to the semifinals

1875
01:39:37,627 --> 01:39:43,587
Speaker 3: and their almighty Hope playoff record remains thirty wins of

1876
01:39:43,747 --> 01:39:47,827
Speaker 3: the Trots and finals football at christ Church full time

1877
01:39:48,387 --> 01:39:49,467
Speaker 3: thirty two place twelve.

1878
01:39:49,547 --> 01:39:51,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, goodwin by the Crusaders last night. Always great to

1879
01:39:51,907 --> 01:39:54,187
Speaker 2: get the chance to catch up with Super Rugby Pacific

1880
01:39:54,347 --> 01:39:57,427
Speaker 2: CEO Jack Mesley. Now, Jack, you didn't come across for

1881
01:39:57,467 --> 01:40:00,387
Speaker 2: this game. You're off to Canberra this afternoon to watch

1882
01:40:00,387 --> 01:40:04,267
Speaker 2: the Brumbies against the Hurricanes tonight. You wisely chose, I

1883
01:40:04,347 --> 01:40:07,787
Speaker 2: think anyway, not to be in a very chili christ

1884
01:40:07,867 --> 01:40:09,987
Speaker 2: News last night. You're happy to dodge that bullet.

1885
01:40:10,627 --> 01:40:13,867
Speaker 4: It was very cold, wasn't it. It looked it looked

1886
01:40:14,227 --> 01:40:18,387
Speaker 4: very tough. I mean, I think the the the Crusaders

1887
01:40:18,467 --> 01:40:21,707
Speaker 4: fans that got out there should should be congratulated because

1888
01:40:22,187 --> 01:40:24,427
Speaker 4: looking on the TV, they were rugged up and they

1889
01:40:24,467 --> 01:40:27,267
Speaker 4: looked like they're about to go for go for a ski.

1890
01:40:28,107 --> 01:40:29,907
Speaker 4: You know. I thought it was a great game. I mean,

1891
01:40:29,907 --> 01:40:32,827
Speaker 4: the Crusaders were clinical in that first half and what

1892
01:40:32,867 --> 01:40:36,067
Speaker 4: to turn around from last season to this. But the

1893
01:40:36,147 --> 01:40:38,347
Speaker 4: new stadium, how good is that going to be down

1894
01:40:38,427 --> 01:40:42,267
Speaker 4: in christ Church? So that so that all those mad

1895
01:40:42,707 --> 01:40:46,387
Speaker 4: Cantabrian fans don't have to sit out in the freeze

1896
01:40:46,467 --> 01:40:47,307
Speaker 4: in the freezing cold.

1897
01:40:47,427 --> 01:40:49,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, can't come quickly enough, I think everybody you talked

1898
01:40:49,907 --> 01:40:51,947
Speaker 2: to in that part of the world says, so, so

1899
01:40:52,067 --> 01:40:54,747
Speaker 2: look forward to that next season. Before we look at

1900
01:40:54,787 --> 01:40:59,387
Speaker 2: the games today and the finals in general. How happy

1901
01:40:59,387 --> 01:41:02,067
Speaker 2: were you Jack with the way the regular season played

1902
01:41:02,067 --> 01:41:04,867
Speaker 2: out in terms of the measures which are most important

1903
01:41:04,867 --> 01:41:06,267
Speaker 2: to you.

1904
01:41:06,467 --> 01:41:09,107
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're really pleased with the season. I think all

1905
01:41:09,187 --> 01:41:12,947
Speaker 4: teams should be congratulated, you know, for the for the

1906
01:41:13,067 --> 01:41:16,587
Speaker 4: style of rugby and the closeness and competitiveness of the competition.

1907
01:41:17,587 --> 01:41:20,827
Speaker 4: Probably the one that the one stat that I think

1908
01:41:20,947 --> 01:41:24,267
Speaker 4: kind of sums up the season was the fact that

1909
01:41:24,267 --> 01:41:26,667
Speaker 4: we've you know, the number of points and all that

1910
01:41:26,787 --> 01:41:31,467
Speaker 4: of between first and last is the is the tightest

1911
01:41:31,507 --> 01:41:34,347
Speaker 4: it's been since two thousand and four. So I think

1912
01:41:34,347 --> 01:41:37,027
Speaker 4: that sort of tells the story largely about just how

1913
01:41:37,027 --> 01:41:40,467
Speaker 4: competitive it's been. And the Highlanders on the bottom were

1914
01:41:40,547 --> 01:41:44,027
Speaker 4: great and had so many matches where they won a

1915
01:41:44,027 --> 01:41:46,267
Speaker 4: bonus point for being within seven, but just couldn't get

1916
01:41:46,347 --> 01:41:48,867
Speaker 4: enough wins. So you know, I think that that was

1917
01:41:48,907 --> 01:41:51,707
Speaker 4: really really pleasing to see, and I think that's what

1918
01:41:51,747 --> 01:41:55,347
Speaker 4: we all sort of experienced with with the closeness of games,

1919
01:41:55,387 --> 01:41:59,267
Speaker 4: the high try scoring and closeness of ladder. So we're

1920
01:41:59,307 --> 01:42:01,267
Speaker 4: really pleased. And that's all reflected in all of our

1921
01:42:01,787 --> 01:42:04,347
Speaker 4: you know, our audience data and our ten data, our

1922
01:42:04,387 --> 01:42:05,987
Speaker 4: digital data, which is which is great.

1923
01:42:06,387 --> 01:42:09,027
Speaker 2: The rugby that was being played. If a casual fan,

1924
01:42:09,587 --> 01:42:11,867
Speaker 2: you know, dipped in and out of Super Rugby you

1925
01:42:11,907 --> 01:42:15,027
Speaker 2: reckon they'd be happy with what they saw game to game,

1926
01:42:15,027 --> 01:42:15,587
Speaker 2: week to week.

1927
01:42:16,347 --> 01:42:18,667
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really think so. I mean, I think that

1928
01:42:18,667 --> 01:42:24,067
Speaker 4: that combination of a high point, high points scored, and

1929
01:42:24,227 --> 01:42:28,507
Speaker 4: closeness of game was excellent. And then you know, in

1930
01:42:28,627 --> 01:42:32,947
Speaker 4: terms of the style, we had high high try scoring,

1931
01:42:33,347 --> 01:42:37,587
Speaker 4: we had really fast play ball in playtime was was

1932
01:42:37,587 --> 01:42:40,467
Speaker 4: was really good as well. So, you know, I think

1933
01:42:40,507 --> 01:42:43,947
Speaker 4: as a as a casual observer, hopefully you watch some

1934
01:42:44,027 --> 01:42:47,187
Speaker 4: grouping rugby and are coming coming back to super specific

1935
01:42:47,227 --> 01:42:47,747
Speaker 4: more often.

1936
01:42:48,067 --> 01:42:49,987
Speaker 2: How happy have you been with the officiating?

1937
01:42:51,507 --> 01:42:54,547
Speaker 4: Oh? Really happy? Yeah? I think the guys have done

1938
01:42:54,947 --> 01:42:59,067
Speaker 4: a great job. You know, we've we've made some decisions

1939
01:42:59,107 --> 01:43:04,067
Speaker 4: around you know, their role is super important in in

1940
01:43:04,227 --> 01:43:06,987
Speaker 4: getting the game going, in moving it forward quickly, and

1941
01:43:07,067 --> 01:43:09,907
Speaker 4: I think they've done a great job in that, you know,

1942
01:43:09,987 --> 01:43:12,747
Speaker 4: and in doing that, we've taken away some of their tools,

1943
01:43:12,787 --> 01:43:15,507
Speaker 4: Like we've we've limited the ability of the TMO to

1944
01:43:15,507 --> 01:43:19,027
Speaker 4: come in throughout the game, and in doing so, you know,

1945
01:43:19,267 --> 01:43:22,747
Speaker 4: we know where we're not necessarily setting those guys up

1946
01:43:22,747 --> 01:43:24,787
Speaker 4: for success all the time because they don't have all

1947
01:43:24,827 --> 01:43:30,507
Speaker 4: the technology and interference at their fingertips. So with that,

1948
01:43:30,587 --> 01:43:33,747
Speaker 4: you know, we accept sometimes clearly, like all of us,

1949
01:43:33,787 --> 01:43:35,827
Speaker 4: we're not going to get it right one hundred percent

1950
01:43:35,827 --> 01:43:38,187
Speaker 4: of the time. But I think I think it's been excellent.

1951
01:43:38,507 --> 01:43:40,787
Speaker 2: The finals format. There's been a bit of chat about this,

1952
01:43:40,867 --> 01:43:43,267
Speaker 2: and now that we're here, probably the chat's got a

1953
01:43:43,307 --> 01:43:45,827
Speaker 2: bit louder the fact that tonight's game between the Brumbies

1954
01:43:45,827 --> 01:43:48,747
Speaker 2: and the Hurricanes could be and if you want to

1955
01:43:48,827 --> 01:43:51,787
Speaker 2: use a cliche, a dead rubber in some ways, if

1956
01:43:51,827 --> 01:43:53,827
Speaker 2: the Chiefs beat the Blues, the Brumbies and the Hurricanes

1957
01:43:53,867 --> 01:43:56,547
Speaker 2: both know they'll be playing next week in regardless of

1958
01:43:56,547 --> 01:43:59,307
Speaker 2: what happens tonight. What's your what's your response to to

1959
01:43:59,587 --> 01:44:02,867
Speaker 2: the you know, any any criticism of the finals format?

1960
01:44:04,107 --> 01:44:06,667
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I think, you know, like really

1961
01:44:07,187 --> 01:44:10,267
Speaker 4: we will listen and we'll sit back at the end

1962
01:44:10,347 --> 01:44:13,947
Speaker 4: of it and and do a few a full review.

1963
01:44:15,187 --> 01:44:15,387
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1964
01:44:15,427 --> 01:44:19,147
Speaker 4: In terms of the scheduling of this weekend, we you know,

1965
01:44:19,187 --> 01:44:22,707
Speaker 4: we had a difficult set of circumstances here in where

1966
01:44:22,747 --> 01:44:26,507
Speaker 4: to play the Brumby's canes match or when when to

1967
01:44:26,547 --> 01:44:29,587
Speaker 4: play it. Sorry, you know, and there are a few

1968
01:44:29,627 --> 01:44:35,307
Speaker 4: competing forces there. Friday night, the local rugby all got

1969
01:44:35,347 --> 01:44:38,827
Speaker 4: moved to Friday night because of the long weekend in Australia.

1970
01:44:38,867 --> 01:44:41,307
Speaker 4: So had we played it Friday night, we would have

1971
01:44:41,307 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 4: been going up against the John I. Dent Cup and

1972
01:44:44,067 --> 01:44:47,987
Speaker 4: all the local rugby and then so had we played

1973
01:44:48,107 --> 01:44:50,707
Speaker 4: early Saturday two thirty on a Saturday on a long

1974
01:44:50,747 --> 01:44:54,427
Speaker 4: weekend in Australia, you know, we'd be playing it in

1975
01:44:54,467 --> 01:44:57,907
Speaker 4: front of no one on television. So there's some of

1976
01:44:57,947 --> 01:45:01,147
Speaker 4: the some of the kind of I guess tensions of

1977
01:45:01,947 --> 01:45:04,347
Speaker 4: you know, we ultimately decided to try to put it

1978
01:45:04,387 --> 01:45:07,987
Speaker 4: in front of as many people as we ten, but

1979
01:45:08,067 --> 01:45:11,547
Speaker 4: in doing so, we ran the possibility that it may

1980
01:45:11,907 --> 01:45:15,227
Speaker 4: mean the less. It's not a dead rubber. Obviously, who

1981
01:45:15,307 --> 01:45:18,387
Speaker 4: plays who's still important and where you play is super important.

1982
01:45:18,907 --> 01:45:20,787
Speaker 4: But there's some of the kind of tensions that were

1983
01:45:20,787 --> 01:45:23,747
Speaker 4: behind it, and ultimately, you know, we made that call.

1984
01:45:25,427 --> 01:45:28,787
Speaker 4: But you know, in practice, when we're trying to run

1985
01:45:28,987 --> 01:45:33,667
Speaker 4: this structure across multiple time zones, it is a bit

1986
01:45:33,667 --> 01:45:35,987
Speaker 4: difficult and we don't have all the freedom that we

1987
01:45:36,027 --> 01:45:37,227
Speaker 4: would like with that obviously.

1988
01:45:37,587 --> 01:45:40,067
Speaker 2: So just to confirm Jack the finals format and having

1989
01:45:40,147 --> 01:45:45,467
Speaker 2: the six teams that was to guarantee an extra game

1990
01:45:45,547 --> 01:45:47,027
Speaker 2: on weekend one of the finals.

1991
01:45:47,147 --> 01:45:50,067
Speaker 4: Is that right, it's to play. Yeah, it's just to

1992
01:45:50,147 --> 01:45:54,387
Speaker 4: maximize the amount of premium content in the maximum amount

1993
01:45:54,427 --> 01:46:00,307
Speaker 4: of locations throughout that final series. So you know, we've

1994
01:46:00,307 --> 01:46:03,787
Speaker 4: only got a nineteen week competition. We have two buys

1995
01:46:03,787 --> 01:46:08,867
Speaker 4: for every team. You know, in some ways it's counterintuitive

1996
01:46:08,907 --> 01:46:10,947
Speaker 4: to then be resting out their steams at the most

1997
01:46:10,947 --> 01:46:13,427
Speaker 4: important team at the time of the year. So I

1998
01:46:13,427 --> 01:46:15,547
Speaker 4: think that's some of the some of the theory behind it,

1999
01:46:16,747 --> 01:46:18,827
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's kind of where we're where we

2000
01:46:18,907 --> 01:46:21,307
Speaker 4: net it out as to as to this final series.

2001
01:46:21,507 --> 01:46:23,507
Speaker 2: All right, and just a quick look ahead the next season.

2002
01:46:23,787 --> 01:46:27,387
Speaker 2: You mentioned christ Church Stadium before all reports have it

2003
01:46:28,027 --> 01:46:31,467
Speaker 2: ready sort of March April time next year for action,

2004
01:46:31,867 --> 01:46:34,907
Speaker 2: But a chat about a possible Super Round and Canterbury

2005
01:46:34,947 --> 01:46:36,707
Speaker 2: anything you can tell us.

2006
01:46:36,707 --> 01:46:40,667
Speaker 4: Jack, Yeah, we're working really hard to make that a reality.

2007
01:46:41,547 --> 01:46:44,387
Speaker 4: So I think it'd be, you know, such a great

2008
01:46:44,387 --> 01:46:47,787
Speaker 4: event to bring all of super rugby down to christ

2009
01:46:47,907 --> 01:46:53,187
Speaker 4: Church to help open that that amazing stadium. So yeah,

2010
01:46:53,187 --> 01:46:57,147
Speaker 4: we're working hard on that. We're working hard with with

2011
01:46:57,147 --> 01:46:59,307
Speaker 4: with a number of government bodies to make that a

2012
01:46:59,347 --> 01:47:02,867
Speaker 4: reality and we really hope that things can come off

2013
01:47:02,907 --> 01:47:06,267
Speaker 4: and that we can announce that soon it would be

2014
01:47:06,787 --> 01:47:09,067
Speaker 4: you know, it had been in around the ANZAC weekend

2015
01:47:09,107 --> 01:47:12,467
Speaker 4: as well, which I think would just be a fantastic event.

2016
01:47:12,747 --> 01:47:16,387
Speaker 2: I will book my tickets tentatively to be there for that, Jack,

2017
01:47:16,387 --> 01:47:19,987
Speaker 2: because I know you will as well. Mate. Congratulations on

2018
01:47:20,027 --> 01:47:23,387
Speaker 2: getting us the finals weekend. Yeah, I think by most measures,

2019
01:47:23,387 --> 01:47:26,827
Speaker 2: by all measures, it's been a terrific season for viewers,

2020
01:47:27,067 --> 01:47:29,907
Speaker 2: for spectators, for listeners to this show anyway. Always good

2021
01:47:29,907 --> 01:47:31,427
Speaker 2: to catch up mate, Let's do it again before the

2022
01:47:31,427 --> 01:47:31,947
Speaker 2: Grand Final.

2023
01:47:32,707 --> 01:47:35,707
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be great, pointy, Thanks mate, and yeah, looking

2024
01:47:35,747 --> 01:47:38,627
Speaker 4: forward to the games off. Who have you got well?

2025
01:47:38,627 --> 01:47:40,827
Speaker 2: I mean I'm a Hurricanes fan, so I've got you know,

2026
01:47:40,987 --> 01:47:43,307
Speaker 2: I've got in camera where you are. I don't expect

2027
01:47:43,347 --> 01:47:46,107
Speaker 2: you to chair for my Hurricanes, but that's how I've

2028
01:47:46,107 --> 01:47:49,467
Speaker 2: got and look I much as Yeah, I just don't

2029
01:47:49,467 --> 01:47:51,947
Speaker 2: see anybody beating the Chiefs in Hamilton. I just can't

2030
01:47:51,947 --> 01:47:53,187
Speaker 2: see it. I don't know what you think of me,

2031
01:47:53,227 --> 01:47:55,307
Speaker 2: the Blues. I think of anybody was going to beat them.

2032
01:47:55,307 --> 01:47:56,867
Speaker 2: It might be the Blues, but I don't know. I've

2033
01:47:56,867 --> 01:47:57,867
Speaker 2: got the Chiefs, what about you?

2034
01:47:58,707 --> 01:48:01,227
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good match up. Actually, I

2035
01:48:01,267 --> 01:48:03,267
Speaker 4: think yeah, the Blues are probably one of the few

2036
01:48:03,307 --> 01:48:06,707
Speaker 4: sides that could do it. So yeah, we look forward

2037
01:48:06,747 --> 01:48:08,827
Speaker 4: to kick off this afternoon, Dan and Hamilton and then

2038
01:48:09,427 --> 01:48:10,587
Speaker 4: and then in Canberra following.

2039
01:48:10,747 --> 01:48:12,507
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Great to Jack, Jack, thanks for your time,

2040
01:48:13,107 --> 01:48:17,267
Speaker 2: Thanks Tony, Thanks Jack, Jack Mesley, super rakby Pacific CEO

2041
01:48:17,667 --> 01:48:20,027
Speaker 2: joining us. That is new information I think about christ Church,

2042
01:48:20,067 --> 01:48:22,787
Speaker 2: isn't it? In terms of super Round? I hadn't heard that.

2043
01:48:22,867 --> 01:48:25,747
Speaker 2: I'd heard rumored, as I said to Jack Mesley there,

2044
01:48:25,787 --> 01:48:28,547
Speaker 2: I'd heard rumors that they want to bring super Round back.

2045
01:48:29,227 --> 01:48:31,027
Speaker 2: You know, they had it in Melbourne, never going to

2046
01:48:31,067 --> 01:48:33,547
Speaker 2: work there, right, never going to work there, didn't have

2047
01:48:33,587 --> 01:48:36,747
Speaker 2: it this year. But from what Jack just said, then

2048
01:48:37,307 --> 01:48:40,667
Speaker 2: they are keen to have it back and are targeting

2049
01:48:41,547 --> 01:48:44,027
Speaker 2: the new stadium in christ Church for super Round and

2050
01:48:44,147 --> 01:48:49,827
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six across and Zach Weekend. How good would

2051
01:48:49,867 --> 01:48:52,507
Speaker 2: that be? How good will that be? I'm pretty sure

2052
01:48:52,547 --> 01:48:57,307
Speaker 2: there's no confirmation yet about what the first ever event

2053
01:48:57,427 --> 01:49:00,067
Speaker 2: at the stadium in christ Church will be. It's due

2054
01:49:00,107 --> 01:49:03,547
Speaker 2: to open tentatively. From what I remember talking to the

2055
01:49:04,707 --> 01:49:07,787
Speaker 2: Powers that be earlier this year, sort of March April

2056
01:49:07,827 --> 01:49:09,507
Speaker 2: time is when they're going to look at opening it.

2057
01:49:09,667 --> 01:49:11,747
Speaker 2: I've heard rumors that they might look at opening it

2058
01:49:11,787 --> 01:49:15,387
Speaker 2: with a concert of some sort, but as far as

2059
01:49:15,387 --> 01:49:18,427
Speaker 2: the first ever although and they might have Crusaders games

2060
01:49:18,427 --> 01:49:21,107
Speaker 2: there right in March in early April, just to kind

2061
01:49:21,107 --> 01:49:24,667
Speaker 2: of test run the place. But super Round in christ

2062
01:49:24,707 --> 01:49:29,227
Speaker 2: Church Anzac weekend twenty twenty six. You'd love to see it.

2063
01:49:30,027 --> 01:49:31,987
Speaker 2: You'd love to see it, Lyle, says Jason. The new

2064
01:49:32,027 --> 01:49:36,227
Speaker 2: stadium may be great for Crusaders supporters, but not necessarily

2065
01:49:36,227 --> 01:49:40,107
Speaker 2: for the team. The frigid outdoor conditions have I think,

2066
01:49:40,147 --> 01:49:42,347
Speaker 2: says Lyle, been worth at least to convert a try

2067
01:49:42,427 --> 01:49:45,907
Speaker 2: to the Crusaders against all comers, an advantage they will

2068
01:49:45,947 --> 01:49:49,187
Speaker 2: lose next year. Lyle, it's a good point. I wonder

2069
01:49:49,227 --> 01:49:52,307
Speaker 2: whether we could track back to the pre fullscyth Bar

2070
01:49:52,387 --> 01:49:57,507
Speaker 2: Stadium days and work out whether actually playing at Carrisbrook

2071
01:49:58,547 --> 01:50:00,987
Speaker 2: was an advantage for the Highlanders which they have given

2072
01:50:01,067 --> 01:50:03,587
Speaker 2: up since going under the roof. We know how hard

2073
01:50:03,587 --> 01:50:07,547
Speaker 2: the Otago teams, those famous Otarget teams of the nineties

2074
01:50:07,587 --> 01:50:11,667
Speaker 2: were to beat at Carrasbrook. It's not a bad point, Lyle.

2075
01:50:12,787 --> 01:50:14,387
Speaker 2: You do have to put the fan in the middle

2076
01:50:14,387 --> 01:50:21,267
Speaker 2: of these conversations though, don't you and you know going

2077
01:50:21,307 --> 01:50:23,627
Speaker 2: along there? Last night, I got a couple. I watched

2078
01:50:23,667 --> 01:50:27,147
Speaker 2: the game, I watched the replay of it. I couldn't

2079
01:50:27,147 --> 01:50:28,507
Speaker 2: watch it live. I watched the replay of it, and

2080
01:50:28,547 --> 01:50:31,067
Speaker 2: I've got sent a couple of photos from our commentary

2081
01:50:31,107 --> 01:50:33,427
Speaker 2: team in Christchick And there weren't that many people there

2082
01:50:33,427 --> 01:50:38,107
Speaker 2: were there, but can you blame them? Arctic conditions just

2083
01:50:39,147 --> 01:50:42,307
Speaker 2: not a very pleasant place to watch on a cold night.

2084
01:50:43,707 --> 01:50:45,827
Speaker 2: You'd have to think that, you know, a lot more

2085
01:50:45,867 --> 01:50:48,947
Speaker 2: will turn up for that same fixture if it's under

2086
01:50:48,947 --> 01:50:51,787
Speaker 2: the roof of a brand new stadium next year. Kensys

2087
01:50:51,827 --> 01:50:54,747
Speaker 2: Pinety heading down to Hamilton soon. I've got my granddaughters.

2088
01:50:55,067 --> 01:50:58,107
Speaker 2: Must be done. We've got all the gear awesome, can't wait.

2089
01:50:58,507 --> 01:51:02,427
Speaker 2: Good on you, Ken, You just fly those Blues flags

2090
01:51:02,467 --> 01:51:07,667
Speaker 2: with vigor. Mate. The Blues could beat the Chiefs. The

2091
01:51:07,707 --> 01:51:10,187
Speaker 2: Blues could beat the Chiefs. You know that's not a

2092
01:51:10,187 --> 01:51:14,827
Speaker 2: bold claim. The Chiefs have been excellent. We all know this.

2093
01:51:15,387 --> 01:51:17,547
Speaker 2: The Blues could go there tonight and win. You know,

2094
01:51:17,787 --> 01:51:21,307
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world. It's

2095
01:51:21,307 --> 01:51:24,107
Speaker 2: not the favored way. It's not the most likely scenario.

2096
01:51:24,747 --> 01:51:28,227
Speaker 2: But you know what it could happen. And I just wonder,

2097
01:51:28,267 --> 01:51:29,427
Speaker 2: and I'm going to ask him and to he made this.

2098
01:51:29,467 --> 01:51:31,507
Speaker 2: Actually he might have some insight here he's on with

2099
01:51:31,507 --> 01:51:33,987
Speaker 2: a shortly had match commentator. I just wonder. You know,

2100
01:51:34,067 --> 01:51:42,027
Speaker 2: the Chiefs know. The Chiefs know that whatever happens tonight,

2101
01:51:42,067 --> 01:51:48,667
Speaker 2: they're playing next week at home, right They know that's

2102
01:51:48,667 --> 01:51:52,587
Speaker 2: the finals format, as we're outlined all afternoon. They know

2103
01:51:52,707 --> 01:51:55,587
Speaker 2: that if they lose tonight, it doesn't matter. The only

2104
01:51:55,667 --> 01:51:58,787
Speaker 2: thing they give up is home advantage for the final

2105
01:51:58,867 --> 01:52:01,827
Speaker 2: if they make it, and that might be enough. Also,

2106
01:52:02,227 --> 01:52:05,307
Speaker 2: knocking the Blues out would be a good idea, and

2107
01:52:06,147 --> 01:52:08,907
Speaker 2: no team goes out there to obviously not to give

2108
01:52:08,947 --> 01:52:12,067
Speaker 2: their absolute best. But the Chiefs just know in the

2109
01:52:12,107 --> 01:52:15,987
Speaker 2: back of their minds that this is not the end

2110
01:52:16,027 --> 01:52:19,627
Speaker 2: of their season. Regardless of what happens tonight, they will

2111
01:52:19,627 --> 01:52:22,747
Speaker 2: host a semi next weekend. So I wonder whether that

2112
01:52:22,787 --> 01:52:26,027
Speaker 2: plays into their mindset even just a little bit. Where

2113
01:52:26,067 --> 01:52:29,667
Speaker 2: the Blues are drinking at the Last Chance saloon and

2114
01:52:29,867 --> 01:52:33,267
Speaker 2: all of the desperation that comes with that will be

2115
01:52:33,347 --> 01:52:40,867
Speaker 2: something they have and the Chiefs do not. Paul season text,

2116
01:52:41,307 --> 01:52:44,067
Speaker 2: this is good from you Paul Bye, It'll never happen.

2117
01:52:44,107 --> 01:52:48,547
Speaker 2: The Maui Dolphins will be endangered. So the lady van

2118
01:52:48,587 --> 01:52:50,587
Speaker 2: to play half the games at gross here, Paul, that's

2119
01:52:50,627 --> 01:52:53,467
Speaker 2: not bad from you. That is not bad from you.

2120
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Speaker 2: Let's get a breakaway. It's twenty to three. Graham Minty

2121
01:52:56,627 --> 01:52:57,987
Speaker 2: meat out of Hamilton in just a moment.

2122
01:52:58,307 --> 01:53:03,107
Speaker 1: Don't get caught off side eight Weekend Sports with Jason

2123
01:53:03,147 --> 01:53:06,867
Speaker 1: Paine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trust to home

2124
01:53:06,907 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 1: build a News DOGSB.

2125
01:53:08,987 --> 01:53:11,667
Speaker 2: Two forty three demo says on test Under Warriors playing

2126
01:53:11,827 --> 01:53:15,027
Speaker 2: on Antac Day in christ Jech next year party demo.

2127
01:53:15,147 --> 01:53:17,547
Speaker 2: They are playing in christ Church next year, but not

2128
01:53:17,667 --> 01:53:21,267
Speaker 2: necessarily on Anzac Day, as you'll know earlier this year

2129
01:53:21,267 --> 01:53:25,507
Speaker 2: they signed on for three more years in christ Church

2130
01:53:26,147 --> 01:53:29,107
Speaker 2: one New Zealand Stadium. Of course is the name of

2131
01:53:28,347 --> 01:53:31,347
Speaker 2: the stadium. What's a sponsor on it? Anyways? Of course

2132
01:53:31,627 --> 01:53:34,427
Speaker 2: are also the sponsor in front of Warriors jerseys. Yes,

2133
01:53:34,467 --> 01:53:39,347
Speaker 2: they will play next year twenty seven and twenty eight

2134
01:53:40,347 --> 01:53:43,507
Speaker 2: in christ Church, but not necessarily on Anzac Day as

2135
01:53:43,547 --> 01:53:47,427
Speaker 2: they did this year against Newcastle, wasn't it. But yeah,

2136
01:53:47,467 --> 01:53:51,587
Speaker 2: so super Round I think is probably to take priority

2137
01:53:51,987 --> 01:53:54,507
Speaker 2: and the Warriors will play a different round there. But

2138
01:53:54,507 --> 01:53:56,587
Speaker 2: it's a very good question and a very good point

2139
01:53:56,627 --> 01:54:00,107
Speaker 2: that you make Super Rugby semi Finals this afternoon or

2140
01:54:00,187 --> 01:54:03,667
Speaker 2: evening rather five past seven Chiefs Blues nine point thirty

2141
01:54:03,667 --> 01:54:07,787
Speaker 2: five Brumby's Hurricanes. Regardless of what happens in those games,

2142
01:54:07,827 --> 01:54:11,107
Speaker 2: we will wrap them for you as our lead tomorrow

2143
01:54:11,227 --> 01:54:14,827
Speaker 2: on weekend Sport. Of course, the Blues have already been

2144
01:54:14,867 --> 01:54:16,387
Speaker 2: to Hamilton once this season.

2145
01:54:17,187 --> 01:54:19,227
Speaker 15: Matima, there's the whistle.

2146
01:54:19,387 --> 01:54:21,387
Speaker 6: Cradam is going to do one thing with us into

2147
01:54:21,467 --> 01:54:23,587
Speaker 6: this thing that goes, and it's going.

2148
01:54:23,547 --> 01:54:27,507
Speaker 4: To be the Takes thirty two points Blue thirty one points.

2149
01:54:27,707 --> 01:54:29,987
Speaker 7: What a game of rugby here in Emilton.

2150
01:54:29,707 --> 01:54:31,347
Speaker 2: There, What a game of rugby. It was just the

2151
01:54:31,427 --> 01:54:34,587
Speaker 2: one point win for the Chiefs over the Blues two

2152
01:54:34,667 --> 01:54:36,507
Speaker 2: or three months ago. That was the voice of Graham

2153
01:54:36,507 --> 01:54:39,267
Speaker 2: Minty Mead, who was again, of course behind the mic

2154
01:54:39,307 --> 01:54:42,667
Speaker 2: for us on Goldsport and iHeartRadio tonight. How's the weather?

2155
01:54:42,747 --> 01:54:44,107
Speaker 2: First of all, Minty.

2156
01:54:44,867 --> 01:54:47,787
Speaker 7: Been pretty wet all week Piney. But today and since

2157
01:54:47,787 --> 01:54:50,547
Speaker 7: about eight o'clock this morning after I got out of

2158
01:54:50,547 --> 01:54:53,267
Speaker 7: the studio, it's been fine. The sun's out a little

2159
01:54:53,267 --> 01:54:55,027
Speaker 7: bit of cloud round. It's going to be a bit cool,

2160
01:54:55,067 --> 01:54:57,307
Speaker 7: but we're going to have a hard and fast surface.

2161
01:54:57,827 --> 01:55:01,227
Speaker 2: Good to hear, Good to hear. That's excellent news. First up. Now,

2162
01:55:01,827 --> 01:55:04,667
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter, as you know, it doesn't matter if.

2163
01:55:04,547 --> 01:55:05,227
Speaker 9: The Chief.

2164
01:55:06,507 --> 01:55:10,347
Speaker 2: Let me finish my question, but I know how you're

2165
01:55:10,347 --> 01:55:12,827
Speaker 2: going to answer it now. It doesn't matter if the

2166
01:55:12,867 --> 01:55:15,907
Speaker 2: Chiefs lose tonight. They will still host a semi final

2167
01:55:15,987 --> 01:55:18,227
Speaker 2: next weekend. You know you'll be back there with your

2168
01:55:18,267 --> 01:55:22,427
Speaker 2: fine team. You'll find commentary team next weekend, regardless. Any

2169
01:55:22,587 --> 01:55:25,987
Speaker 2: chance that sits at the back of the Chief's minds tonight.

2170
01:55:27,267 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 7: No, no, no, they we talked about it a few

2171
01:55:30,307 --> 01:55:32,907
Speaker 7: weeks ago with the team after with the coaching staff,

2172
01:55:32,907 --> 01:55:35,067
Speaker 7: and they said, to win this title, they've got to

2173
01:55:35,067 --> 01:55:37,747
Speaker 7: go across the top of the Highlanders, the Blues, the

2174
01:55:37,867 --> 01:55:40,627
Speaker 7: Hurricanes and the Crusaders. They knew they have to win

2175
01:55:40,627 --> 01:55:42,827
Speaker 7: four games to win it, and they wanted to home.

2176
01:55:43,267 --> 01:55:45,347
Speaker 7: There's no way they're taking the foot off the traight tonight.

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01:55:46,027 --> 01:55:49,227
Speaker 7: It's at home. The places them they're sold out, Piney. Yeah,

2178
01:55:49,427 --> 01:55:50,867
Speaker 7: they want to win four. They don't want to have

2179
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Speaker 7: a home. They don't want to miss a home Final

2180
01:55:53,507 --> 01:55:55,587
Speaker 7: on a chance of taking it easy tonight.

2181
01:55:55,947 --> 01:55:58,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's the other part of this. You're right.

2182
01:55:58,067 --> 01:56:00,467
Speaker 2: If they were to lose tonight, they drop a ranking,

2183
01:56:00,507 --> 01:56:03,427
Speaker 2: which would mean that if they made the final, they

2184
01:56:03,947 --> 01:56:06,227
Speaker 2: almost certainly begin to christ Use because the Crusader would

2185
01:56:06,227 --> 01:56:09,187
Speaker 2: take top ranking. So yes, that is motivation. Also, I

2186
01:56:09,227 --> 01:56:13,267
Speaker 2: wonder Minty, how desperate will they be to send Clayton

2187
01:56:13,347 --> 01:56:16,587
Speaker 2: McMillan off as a Super Rugby winner given the fact

2188
01:56:16,627 --> 01:56:19,547
Speaker 2: that they've made the Grand Final last two years and

2189
01:56:19,587 --> 01:56:20,787
Speaker 2: not been able to win the whole thing.

2190
01:56:21,867 --> 01:56:24,107
Speaker 7: They're pretty motivated at the moment. Plus tonight it's Aiden

2191
01:56:24,187 --> 01:56:26,987
Speaker 7: Ross's hundredth game as well, so that's another bit of

2192
01:56:26,987 --> 01:56:30,547
Speaker 7: motivation for him to start tonight. Playing's a top local.

2193
01:56:30,627 --> 01:56:32,707
Speaker 7: He didn't say a lot. He gets on and does

2194
01:56:32,747 --> 01:56:35,307
Speaker 7: the job. He has a laugh and a smile. He's

2195
01:56:35,307 --> 01:56:37,347
Speaker 7: got a passion that he hides inside him pretty well.

2196
01:56:37,387 --> 01:56:39,187
Speaker 7: But yeah, they want to do the job right. I

2197
01:56:39,187 --> 01:56:41,547
Speaker 7: think the only thing we're going to miss tonight Piney

2198
01:56:41,587 --> 01:56:43,307
Speaker 7: is probably our best player on the Padic all year,

2199
01:56:43,307 --> 01:56:45,867
Speaker 7: and that's Flinty pay a big cut last week and

2200
01:56:45,987 --> 01:56:48,907
Speaker 7: just taking precaution, but he's been solid in midfield. He's

2201
01:56:48,907 --> 01:56:51,027
Speaker 7: been playing the best footage. I think I've just about

2202
01:56:51,267 --> 01:56:53,387
Speaker 7: any second five in the country with him and David

2203
01:56:53,387 --> 01:56:54,507
Speaker 7: Harvely fading for a spot.

2204
01:56:54,987 --> 01:56:57,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Gideon Rapling's coming into that twelve jersey. What

2205
01:56:57,747 --> 01:56:59,547
Speaker 2: have you made of him this year and his I mean,

2206
01:56:59,587 --> 01:57:02,507
Speaker 2: you've had a few appearances I think three starts, another

2207
01:57:02,547 --> 01:57:04,427
Speaker 2: seven off the bench, so he's had had ten games.

2208
01:57:04,467 --> 01:57:08,547
Speaker 2: What have you made of him and his ability to

2209
01:57:08,547 --> 01:57:10,547
Speaker 2: step into the into the twelve jumper tonight.

2210
01:57:11,587 --> 01:57:13,907
Speaker 7: He's a big lad. Look, he's a big unit unit

2211
01:57:13,907 --> 01:57:15,867
Speaker 7: of a bloke. He's learned a lot from the players

2212
01:57:15,907 --> 01:57:19,667
Speaker 7: around him. He'll go okay. He's got good ball handling skills,

2213
01:57:19,667 --> 01:57:23,387
Speaker 7: he's fast, he's solid, and he's learning. He's still young

2214
01:57:23,747 --> 01:57:25,587
Speaker 7: even though he's a Yeah, there's a lot of young

2215
01:57:25,627 --> 01:57:27,627
Speaker 7: fellows around. I think he'll do all right. But he's

2216
01:57:27,707 --> 01:57:31,227
Speaker 7: up against an inside back pairing of Jouanne and Lamb

2217
01:57:31,307 --> 01:57:32,987
Speaker 7: that are that are pretty tidy, and they're going to

2218
01:57:33,027 --> 01:57:35,187
Speaker 7: run at Rona and Gampling remplan all night.

2219
01:57:35,227 --> 01:57:39,547
Speaker 2: I think indeed. Okay. Damien McKenzie, of course, is always

2220
01:57:39,587 --> 01:57:41,867
Speaker 2: a key to any rugby team that he plays and

2221
01:57:42,187 --> 01:57:45,067
Speaker 2: got a stat sent through to me earlier in the

2222
01:57:45,107 --> 01:57:48,267
Speaker 2: show that said that the Chiefs are one hundred percent

2223
01:57:48,347 --> 01:57:50,427
Speaker 2: when he started in the ten jumper this year and

2224
01:57:50,547 --> 01:57:54,267
Speaker 2: eighty three percent across the last three years when he

2225
01:57:54,347 --> 01:57:56,467
Speaker 2: started at first five. I'm not sure there are any

2226
01:57:56,547 --> 01:58:00,747
Speaker 2: new ways are there to describe his influence on this team.

2227
01:58:02,027 --> 01:58:04,547
Speaker 7: Yeah, look, he's magic and we'll give him that. But

2228
01:58:04,627 --> 01:58:07,027
Speaker 7: tonight it's about who's going to be all first five

2229
01:58:07,507 --> 01:58:10,667
Speaker 7: and if Barrett and McKenzie, both sides will want to

2230
01:58:10,667 --> 01:58:13,507
Speaker 7: shut both of those down because Barrett's on fire. He's

2231
01:58:13,547 --> 01:58:15,787
Speaker 7: as dangerous as McKenzie as he's got the best kicking

2232
01:58:15,827 --> 01:58:18,747
Speaker 7: game in super rugby at the moment. Mackenzie is a freak.

2233
01:58:18,867 --> 01:58:20,467
Speaker 7: I'll give him the jew. He cuts back and I've

2234
01:58:20,467 --> 01:58:22,867
Speaker 7: been running the cutter. Well, those two I think are

2235
01:58:22,907 --> 01:58:24,467
Speaker 7: going to make the outcome of the game. It's Barrett

2236
01:58:24,547 --> 01:58:27,467
Speaker 7: versus mackenzie, who gets the dominance, who gets the big

2237
01:58:27,507 --> 01:58:30,867
Speaker 7: forwards turned around and going backwards? And to be honest,

2238
01:58:31,027 --> 01:58:33,027
Speaker 7: you look at the whole side, Blue versus chief I

2239
01:58:33,067 --> 01:58:34,827
Speaker 7: think they cancel each other out and it's going to

2240
01:58:34,867 --> 01:58:37,187
Speaker 7: be probably a one or two point game like last time.

2241
01:58:37,507 --> 01:58:39,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel as though the Chiefs have the advantage

2242
01:58:39,547 --> 01:58:41,547
Speaker 2: in the forwards, though, Mintid that might be quite a

2243
01:58:41,547 --> 01:58:43,507
Speaker 2: bold claim given the fact that you look at the

2244
01:58:43,507 --> 01:58:46,587
Speaker 2: Blues forward pack and there's guys like Ricotelli, Rinata two,

2245
01:58:46,587 --> 01:58:48,547
Speaker 2: we pull lot to Papolice or too too. But I

2246
01:58:48,587 --> 01:58:52,347
Speaker 2: just feel as though the Chiefs have a better forward pack.

2247
01:58:52,707 --> 01:58:54,627
Speaker 2: Am I am I way off there? Or do you

2248
01:58:54,747 --> 01:58:56,747
Speaker 2: like the front eight as well?

2249
01:58:56,987 --> 01:58:59,107
Speaker 7: Look, I'm really impressed with the front eight, probably the

2250
01:58:59,627 --> 01:59:02,067
Speaker 7: front twelve, to be honest, with what comes off the bench.

2251
01:59:02,867 --> 01:59:04,707
Speaker 7: They did go down to christ Church a few weeks

2252
01:59:04,747 --> 01:59:07,227
Speaker 7: ago and they didn't give an all black front row

2253
01:59:07,307 --> 01:59:10,027
Speaker 7: much anything. Actually, they sort of took them right out

2254
01:59:10,027 --> 01:59:11,947
Speaker 7: of the game, and that was good for the Chiefs

2255
01:59:11,947 --> 01:59:14,587
Speaker 7: to see that they confront it with a big pact

2256
01:59:14,627 --> 01:59:17,267
Speaker 7: like that, and they've been pretty dominant all year. Olenirahs,

2257
01:59:17,347 --> 01:59:20,427
Speaker 7: Aden Ross, George Dye has been an absolutely rock solid

2258
01:59:20,707 --> 01:59:23,587
Speaker 7: and we got Tacki Ahoe back to his boisterous best.

2259
01:59:23,667 --> 01:59:26,387
Speaker 7: So yeah, you're probably right. I think the front five

2260
01:59:26,907 --> 01:59:28,987
Speaker 7: are probably a little bit more aggressive. We've got enough

2261
01:59:28,987 --> 01:59:31,147
Speaker 7: to Rekoi and Tupu Vai and Vai has been an

2262
01:59:31,147 --> 01:59:34,427
Speaker 7: absolute leader this year. Louise Forward's wealth if you pick

2263
01:59:34,507 --> 01:59:37,267
Speaker 7: him and you want to play, and Auckland probably got

2264
01:59:37,307 --> 01:59:39,147
Speaker 7: the same amount. So I'm just it's going to be

2265
01:59:39,147 --> 01:59:41,307
Speaker 7: a stonker a game. Let's be honest, Piney, It's going

2266
01:59:41,387 --> 01:59:41,707
Speaker 7: to be a.

2267
01:59:41,667 --> 01:59:44,507
Speaker 2: Stonker well that quick. I don't think anybody can wait

2268
01:59:44,547 --> 01:59:46,507
Speaker 2: for it. I think it's going to be an absolute cracker,

2269
01:59:47,067 --> 01:59:50,627
Speaker 2: just on your Lucy's obviously. Wallace the Titi last year

2270
01:59:50,707 --> 01:59:54,747
Speaker 2: burst into our into our consciousness, became an All Black

2271
01:59:54,787 --> 01:59:57,107
Speaker 2: and was All Black's Player of the Year. A lot

2272
01:59:57,107 --> 01:59:59,627
Speaker 2: of mail around about Simon Parker this year. Do you

2273
01:59:59,627 --> 02:00:02,467
Speaker 2: think he could potentially be on that list of names

2274
02:00:02,467 --> 02:00:04,827
Speaker 2: that gets read out by you know, by the All

2275
02:00:04,867 --> 02:00:06,947
Speaker 2: Blacks coaches until a three week's time.

2276
02:00:07,667 --> 02:00:11,547
Speaker 7: Well, Simon's been He's been identified years ago and under

2277
02:00:11,587 --> 02:00:13,107
Speaker 7: twenties and all sorts of things. But he had a

2278
02:00:13,147 --> 02:00:16,187
Speaker 7: real horrible run of injuries. He just every time he

2279
02:00:16,227 --> 02:00:19,707
Speaker 7: turned around something went wrong. This year, he's hard, he's fit,

2280
02:00:19,787 --> 02:00:23,227
Speaker 7: he's huge, like he's bulked up, and he's injury free

2281
02:00:23,467 --> 02:00:25,187
Speaker 7: and he's as good as you get on a pad actor.

2282
02:00:25,427 --> 02:00:27,627
Speaker 7: The battle between him and Summer Penny Fee now, I'm

2283
02:00:27,627 --> 02:00:30,707
Speaker 7: told at trainings is probably more physical than an All

2284
02:00:30,707 --> 02:00:35,307
Speaker 7: Black South African test and Simon park is huge, like

2285
02:00:35,387 --> 02:00:37,507
Speaker 7: he is massive. You walk beside him and I feel

2286
02:00:37,507 --> 02:00:40,027
Speaker 7: like I'm a little tiny bloke and I'm six two,

2287
02:00:40,147 --> 02:00:43,147
Speaker 7: So yeah, he's He's a great bloke too, always says hello.

2288
02:00:43,267 --> 02:00:45,867
Speaker 7: But I wish, I really do hope he gets in there.

2289
02:00:45,867 --> 02:00:47,507
Speaker 7: I'm looking for fee now and Parker to make the

2290
02:00:47,547 --> 02:00:49,427
Speaker 7: all blacks at Sex. That's I think that's the best

2291
02:00:49,427 --> 02:00:50,587
Speaker 7: ones in New Zealand at the moment.

2292
02:00:50,827 --> 02:00:53,587
Speaker 24: Just not buy us, so not of use, not a well,

2293
02:00:53,627 --> 02:00:56,667
Speaker 24: speaking of what speak speaking of which, if the chief

2294
02:00:56,707 --> 02:01:00,947
Speaker 24: if the Chiefs do win tonight, they would play the winner, sorry,

2295
02:01:00,947 --> 02:01:05,187
Speaker 24: the loser of the of the Brumbies Hurricanes game, wouldn't they.

2296
02:01:05,387 --> 02:01:07,467
Speaker 2: I think that's the way it works out. So so

2297
02:01:07,787 --> 02:01:09,587
Speaker 2: I mean you'd want to avoid the Hurricanes, mate, you'll

2298
02:01:09,587 --> 02:01:10,227
Speaker 2: never beat us.

2299
02:01:11,867 --> 02:01:14,147
Speaker 7: Well, I'd really like to play the Hurricanes because you've

2300
02:01:14,147 --> 02:01:15,907
Speaker 7: got a half back that we borrowed to you, that

2301
02:01:15,907 --> 02:01:17,827
Speaker 7: we've you made, you made pretty good. But you know

2302
02:01:18,227 --> 02:01:22,827
Speaker 7: he was born, he was born and he was born

2303
02:01:22,827 --> 02:01:25,707
Speaker 7: in Karapiro. Let's be honest. Come on. Then his father

2304
02:01:25,787 --> 02:01:27,667
Speaker 7: and I are good friend, so you can't claim him

2305
02:01:27,707 --> 02:01:30,107
Speaker 7: were just on borrow you know we aren't going there,

2306
02:01:30,187 --> 02:01:32,587
Speaker 7: but Hanny been playing good footy though. How if you

2307
02:01:32,587 --> 02:01:35,307
Speaker 7: look at them, let's let's go about half backs, both

2308
02:01:35,387 --> 02:01:40,347
Speaker 7: them Roy Guard and Rama, three White Hiadow products playing

2309
02:01:40,347 --> 02:01:41,827
Speaker 7: some of the best footy in the country.

2310
02:01:42,387 --> 02:01:44,707
Speaker 2: I like your man's avir Row too, I must say,

2311
02:01:45,027 --> 02:01:47,867
Speaker 2: I think the one two punch is great. Yeah, therefore,

2312
02:01:47,987 --> 02:01:49,947
Speaker 2: I mean you're hogging all the best Number nine.

2313
02:01:51,067 --> 02:01:54,147
Speaker 7: Well, that's because we're a good breeding ground for rugby players, Jason.

2314
02:01:54,147 --> 02:01:55,987
Speaker 7: You know, you've just got to understand that we borrow

2315
02:01:55,987 --> 02:01:58,827
Speaker 7: them to other places around the country and we make

2316
02:01:58,867 --> 02:01:59,147
Speaker 7: the New.

2317
02:01:59,147 --> 02:02:00,027
Speaker 9: Zealand rugby better.

2318
02:02:00,747 --> 02:02:02,907
Speaker 2: Who do you think just just I mean, I know

2319
02:02:02,987 --> 02:02:05,507
Speaker 2: you don't like I can't argue. Who do you think

2320
02:02:05,547 --> 02:02:07,747
Speaker 2: will win the Brumbies Hurricanes game tonight? You'll get home,

2321
02:02:07,787 --> 02:02:09,227
Speaker 2: I guess to watch a little bit of it. You

2322
02:02:09,307 --> 02:02:10,107
Speaker 2: Reckon's going to win that.

2323
02:02:12,747 --> 02:02:16,467
Speaker 7: If you ever been to Canberra in winter, it's frigging cold,

2324
02:02:16,747 --> 02:02:20,427
Speaker 7: but Dowseie worse than christ Church and depending on the

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Speaker 7: conditions that the Hurricanes should win it. But they've been

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Speaker 7: hot and cold at times this year. They've been brilliant

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Speaker 7: and sometimes they drop the ones. A couple of times

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Speaker 7: like the Chiefs have they shouldn't, so it's going to

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Speaker 7: depend a lot on camera regard and him in that

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Speaker 7: first five combination and the midfield. Yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 7: but Brumby they're a good side, the big side, hey

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Speaker 7: that they've got a lot of beef in them. But

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Speaker 7: they're at home and at home you just don't believe

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Speaker 7: how big home advantage is.

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Speaker 2: The church yep. Who's your team alongside you tonight for commentary, I.

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Speaker 7: Got Steeney Gordon, he all whack and he's just had

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Speaker 7: his bicyp reattached because he thought he'd be strong and

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Speaker 7: he pulled his biceap off his left arm and kJ

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Speaker 7: the grass whisperer from FMG Stadium. He's on sideline.

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Speaker 2: What a team Mint, He can't wait for your call.

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Speaker 2: On Gold Sport and Nightheart Radio always love chatting Mate

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Speaker 2: Graham and t Mead alongside Steve Gordon and Carl Johnson's

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Speaker 2: sideline What a team Gold Sport and Iheartradios coverage of

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Pacific just after seven o'clock tonight that game

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Speaker 2: kicks off and then commentary of Brumby's Hurricanes to follow

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Speaker 2: at nine thirty five, seven to three News TALKSIB.

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Speaker 9: When it's down to the line, you make the call.

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Speaker 1: On ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: That's us. We're back tomorrow rapping Super Rugby and the Wars.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Any McDonald for producing What's He Exit Song?

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Speaker 21: Mate, Yeah pinety, Well done on the radio award as

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Speaker 21: well Mate the exit song boys Light Up Australian Crawl

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Speaker 21: based on all my Australian adventures that I'm about to

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Speaker 21: send myself on with these sporting events a very good choice.

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Speaker 15: See tomorrow.

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