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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: uniquely for you.

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Speaker 2: Do we have the huddle with us right now? Morris Williamson,

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Speaker 2: Auckland councilor, former National Minister and also Jack Tame, host

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Speaker 2: of Saturday mornings on ZB and Q and A High Lads,

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Speaker 2: We're going to come back to this if we have

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Speaker 2: a chance. Morris just sind it, Chippy Grant Aisha All

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Speaker 2: refused to front for the COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 3: Your reaction, Well, I've got a strong view on that.

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Speaker 3: They took some terribly tough decisions. They put New Zealanders

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Speaker 3: through a hell of a lot. The second lockdown on

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Speaker 3: Auckland was I think criminal. I think they got to

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Speaker 3: be able to come back and say why and say

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Speaker 3: we did it because and here's the results we achieved

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Speaker 3: and really explain themselves. Because they're hiding and saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: we won't come an answer. It suggests that they think

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Speaker 3: they got it very badly wrong and would only come

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Speaker 3: out the wrong side of it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's a very good point, isn't it, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean they still have to give evidence, right, and

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Speaker 4: they still have to be interviewed. They've all agreed to that.

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Speaker 4: But I think, actually, I mean I agree, I think

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Speaker 4: it would be ideal.

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Speaker 2: Haven't they already done it.

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Speaker 4: Jack for a full account, Yeah, they have, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And already it was the deposition's version, right, So they

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Speaker 2: did the pre interview ahead of what was expected to

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Speaker 2: be the main interview. And then once they've done the

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Speaker 2: pre interview, they said, oh yeah, now you're not going

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Speaker 2: to get the main interview. So that's only a half job.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, if the people heading up the inquiry desire them,

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Speaker 4: they're in person, they also have the opportunity to summon them.

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Speaker 4: Just just let me make the point though, I think

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Speaker 4: sadly it's just a continuation of an over politicization of

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Speaker 4: the whole Commission of Inquiry process. So I think like

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Speaker 4: the Phase one of the Commission of Inquiry, I think

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Speaker 4: missed out a couple of critical points, Like I think

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Speaker 4: it was really a poor call not to include decisions

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Speaker 4: about monetary policy in phase one. I think it was

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Speaker 4: a poor call not to consider vaccine efficacy in phase one.

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Speaker 4: And I was broadly supportive of Phase two except when

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Speaker 4: I saw the terms of reference, and Phase two only

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Speaker 4: starts from February twenty twenty one. I think if we

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Speaker 4: as a public were to have a proper, comprehensive accounting

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Speaker 4: of the COVID decisions and how they were made, you'd

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Speaker 4: go from when the vaccine first emerged the whole way through.

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Speaker 4: You'd include the period in which New Zealand first ministers

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Speaker 4: were part of the government. You'd include the period in

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Speaker 4: which just Sindre and Chippy might say they made really

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Speaker 4: good decisions, and you'd include some of the big mistakes.

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Speaker 4: And I think sadly this has kind of been over

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Speaker 4: politicized on the word gun. Can I just simplify quickly.

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Speaker 3: If I was a minister who had done what had

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Speaker 3: happened over the few years and the damaged under the

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Speaker 3: economy that we're still feeling and inflation and explosions of expenditure,

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Speaker 3: I'd actually want to come on and say we did

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Speaker 3: it because these were the outcomes we wanted to achieve

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Speaker 3: and we did. And the idea that you're not prepared

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Speaker 3: to I mean, I jump at the chance to try

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Speaker 3: to justify it. Even if the public thought I was wrong,

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Speaker 3: You've got a chance to explain why and why you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't take that. I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's not good for the brand overseas as it.

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Speaker 1: Were with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the ones fun

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Speaker 1: lashed results.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle, Jack Taymer, Morris Williamson

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Speaker 2: are with us. Jack did Chloe we deserve a week suspensions?

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Speaker 1: It feels a bit harsh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's actually a bad call from the speaker.

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Speaker 4: I think largely the speakers then has done such a

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Speaker 4: good job during a pretty tricky term in parliament. But no,

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Speaker 4: I think serious, I think it's I think yeah, I

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Speaker 4: think I think it's done a pretty reasonable job.

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Speaker 3: And Morris, no, no, Look, look you just talked about

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Speaker 3: bringing up your little baby and teaching them things. One

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Speaker 3: of the things you teach your kids is you don't

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Speaker 3: say if you care I'm doing that, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: send you to your room, and then they care on

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Speaker 3: doing it, keep on doing that. He does that every day.

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Speaker 3: He says, if this carries on, if you keep speaking

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Speaker 3: like that, I'm going to sorry and one, you know,

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Speaker 3: day after day, and then finally when he does something,

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Speaker 3: he does it with a mega ton bomb rather than is.

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Speaker 2: He going to sack that hard Hey, you know what

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Speaker 2: Gunny is sucking is Morris. It's when you put up

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Speaker 2: with the crap that they're giving you and then you

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Speaker 2: just come at them with the lad It's not even

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Speaker 2: a wooden spoon at this stage. It's like the biggest

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Speaker 3: Would have been better to have taken a few more

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Speaker 3: steps along the way up to this point, and I

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Speaker 3: don't think you'd have ended up. I mean that so

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Speaker 3: many members of paramasponing they say, oh, we don't care.

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Speaker 3: Deary's not serious. He never throws people out, he just

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Speaker 3: threatens it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyway, Jack, listen, sorry we've spoken of you,

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Speaker 2: but I'm going to put this down to you just

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Speaker 2: being a really nice guy.

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Speaker 1: But carry on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I mean perfectly plays in clothes hands. She's

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Speaker 4: able to make it a point all the more forcefully.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure at the moment he sees you'll be out

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Speaker 4: for a week yesterday, she was secretly delighted in knowing that, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that megaton bomb was going to turn into a megaphone

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Speaker 4: for her. And so yeah, politically it's probably been que a.

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Speaker 2: Few agree Okay, but okay, so Jack, I know that

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Speaker 2: I mean the spineless you're not allowed to say somebody

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Speaker 2: is spineless in the house. There are rules around that,

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Speaker 2: and you are you are directing it at people, which

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Speaker 2: is different to just dropping the sea bomb. But to

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Speaker 2: the average person looking at this, the fact that the

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Speaker 2: sea bomb is okay and spineless, isn't it looks ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I agree, No, I think it's crazy. If she's think

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Speaker 4: about for a week, I think it's just totally excessive.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't think there's kind of consistency there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there are so many worse things you could

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Speaker 4: be called, and I just don't have an issue.

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Speaker 2: How Morris do you tidy up the standards in Parliament?

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Speaker 2: If you don't, if you allow this kind of weird

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Speaker 2: thing to happen where you could just drop the sea

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Speaker 2: bomb casually if you want to, well.

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Speaker 3: What you have to do is nip it in the bud.

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Speaker 3: And this for months after months. I'm one of these

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Speaker 3: sad souls who at ten o'clock at night, after I've

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Speaker 3: got everything done, I often watch question Time and I

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Speaker 3: just see Jerry threatening over some days, seven twelve to

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Speaker 3: fifteen times. I'll throw you'll be gone the member, and

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Speaker 3: he never does well, what that just does is crewdit

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Speaker 3: environment where people just carry on misbehaving, doing what they like,

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Speaker 3: saying what they want. I think if you'd nip things

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Speaker 3: in the bard Dowell there and said you carry on

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Speaker 3: doing that, you're out, and if someone did it, you

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Speaker 3: say right, you're gone, then people would realize he was serious.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of these people who will allow my opponents

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Speaker 3: to say whatever the hell they like about me. I'll

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Speaker 3: die in that. It's defending their right to say it.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not a big censorship person, but you do

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Speaker 3: have to have standards in parliament and I think you know,

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Speaker 3: saying people are going to look for a backbone is

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Speaker 3: a breach of the standards. But so so, I guess

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Speaker 3: is a c word although you're only quoting what somebody

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Speaker 3: and she was quite No, it's there is a.

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Speaker 2: Difference, no, I know, in one you're quoting what somebody

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Speaker 2: said and in the other you are accusing members on

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Speaker 2: the opposite side of sorry.

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Speaker 3: That's the difference.

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Speaker 4: That's the difference.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of nuance thet Anyway, listen, Jack, I

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Speaker 2: haven't got long, but I know you're going to be

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Speaker 2: hot on this, So I want to hear what you've

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Speaker 2: got to say. Do you think taking kobu Maori out

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Speaker 2: of what year one to three reading books is okay?

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Speaker 4: I just don't think it's a good use of the

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Speaker 4: Education Minister's time. I think this is a case of

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Speaker 4: everyone leaning a bit too hard into their personal issues.

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Speaker 4: I think Erica Standard is totally committed to structured literacy.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic, But do we really need her pussing over

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Speaker 4: a couple of words and a couple of books of

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Speaker 4: five year olds? Probably not. On the other side of

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Speaker 4: the equation, to suggest that this is some evidence of

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Speaker 4: like a grand scheme to suppress the Maori language is

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Speaker 4: just totally disingenuous when the Minister has demonstrably done things

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Speaker 4: to support in today. Ol Maldi So I just think

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Speaker 4: everyone needs to come a farm of it.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Maris?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I think I agree with them.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what the word corpico means? Collo pico

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Speaker 3: colpico's k o p i ko copico.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I tried out Tama Potacker, and I tried out Shane

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Speaker 3: Jones because they both fluent. They didn't but at have

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Speaker 3: picked big signs up around our saying waka corpico, and

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Speaker 3: it turns out that's the direction is where the fairies are.

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Speaker 3: And this is where I start to depart with things.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to use language that even fluent Malori

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Speaker 3: speakers don't know what the word means, the sign should

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Speaker 3: be saying fairies and so. And when I set up

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Speaker 3: twenty three Maori radio stations, I set up to Areo

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Speaker 3: Kokopuaki Rangi, which you'll know as to Mamapaho. I was

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Speaker 3: a big fan of getting to promotion of Terreo and

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Speaker 3: really getting it going. But what I'm really concerned about

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Speaker 3: is mixing it in and having some words English, some

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Speaker 3: words Maori, because I think if you come back in

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Speaker 3: twenty year's time, you may have such a pitch in English.

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Speaker 3: No tourists, no foreigner sitting here with listening to our

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Speaker 3: news or watching us will have a bloody clue what

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Speaker 3: those words mean.

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Speaker 2: Guys, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thank you, Jack

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Speaker 2: Tame Morris Williamson.

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