1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said b. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:15,213 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:20,293 --> 00:00:25,293 Speaker 2: Take another prick, It is out, The test is over, 5 00:00:27,933 --> 00:00:31,933 Speaker 2: smokes a beauty, It is out and here you guys. 6 00:00:32,013 --> 00:00:34,333 Speaker 2: Just Delivery has in years as a goal. 7 00:00:36,653 --> 00:00:40,053 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 8 00:00:40,373 --> 00:00:44,253 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 9 00:00:46,773 --> 00:00:48,973 Speaker 2: It's quite a quiet which as we head in the 10 00:00:49,053 --> 00:00:53,173 Speaker 2: World Hit Championship territory, Sri Lanka displayed a challenge the 11 00:00:53,253 --> 00:00:57,253 Speaker 2: All Black Space on their upcoming tour. Why is Russia 12 00:00:57,413 --> 00:01:00,733 Speaker 2: Khan not in the Afghanistan squad? Would it be one 13 00:01:00,773 --> 00:01:05,053 Speaker 2: of your first choice selections? England spread their wings with 14 00:01:05,333 --> 00:01:09,173 Speaker 2: injury replacements for the Lord's death and with the White 15 00:01:09,173 --> 00:01:12,693 Speaker 2: Ferns squad for the Women's World teen twenty due to 16 00:01:12,733 --> 00:01:17,133 Speaker 2: be named in a Fortnite Do they face a huge challenge? 17 00:01:17,613 --> 00:01:20,773 Speaker 2: And finally, a special part of the program will be 18 00:01:21,293 --> 00:01:25,733 Speaker 2: a look back at some cricket humor and we'll play 19 00:01:25,853 --> 00:01:28,133 Speaker 2: an old speech. We don't have much humor in the 20 00:01:28,173 --> 00:01:30,933 Speaker 2: game anymore, Jerry. There's been a lot of good stories 21 00:01:30,973 --> 00:01:34,173 Speaker 2: about cricket, but you know the humor seems to have 22 00:01:34,213 --> 00:01:37,173 Speaker 2: gone out. It's it's so serious at times now, isn't it. 23 00:01:37,173 --> 00:01:39,373 Speaker 3: It's all the money. Do you think what? You think 24 00:01:39,373 --> 00:01:41,373 Speaker 3: there'd be more humor, but there's not. 25 00:01:41,493 --> 00:01:41,773 Speaker 2: Is there? 26 00:01:41,853 --> 00:01:46,293 Speaker 3: These guys should be happy, but we don't. 27 00:01:46,093 --> 00:01:49,213 Speaker 2: See the characters like like Fred Truman was like he 28 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:49,853 Speaker 2: in both. 29 00:01:49,653 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 3: Of my missing don't they know who's who's the speaker? 30 00:01:55,613 --> 00:01:56,453 Speaker 3: You've got? 31 00:01:56,853 --> 00:01:57,813 Speaker 2: It's Frank Tyson. 32 00:01:58,573 --> 00:02:02,293 Speaker 3: Oh he was clever. He was clever, clever guy, very 33 00:02:02,333 --> 00:02:06,733 Speaker 3: clever and quite sharp too when he bowled, he was. 34 00:02:07,693 --> 00:02:09,373 Speaker 2: You know what he mentioned that. We'll talk about that 35 00:02:09,453 --> 00:02:11,933 Speaker 2: a little bit later on with the Frankison. But the 36 00:02:11,973 --> 00:02:15,493 Speaker 2: World Test Championship is starting to emerge now as a 37 00:02:15,533 --> 00:02:18,253 Speaker 2: real contest because it comes to a head with the 38 00:02:18,253 --> 00:02:23,813 Speaker 2: final next year. But you know, England pushing up the ladder. 39 00:02:23,933 --> 00:02:26,013 Speaker 2: New Zealand are still where they were because they haven't 40 00:02:26,013 --> 00:02:28,253 Speaker 2: played a lot of Test matches, but we know they've 41 00:02:28,293 --> 00:02:31,413 Speaker 2: got a job in hand. And I was quite impressed 42 00:02:31,413 --> 00:02:34,893 Speaker 2: by Sri Lanka and the fight that they showed better 43 00:02:34,933 --> 00:02:37,893 Speaker 2: than the Western in the series against England. 44 00:02:38,173 --> 00:02:42,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought overall they pushed England quite hard. Yeah, 45 00:02:42,573 --> 00:02:45,093 Speaker 3: I mean they had one warm up match, didn't they 46 00:02:45,093 --> 00:02:48,013 Speaker 3: against the Young Lions, and the Lions are an England 47 00:02:48,053 --> 00:02:52,733 Speaker 3: A type England A side effectively and actually they beat 48 00:02:52,813 --> 00:02:56,053 Speaker 3: the Sri Lankans. I thought their problem would be the 49 00:02:56,093 --> 00:02:59,453 Speaker 3: same as the Westernies. Could they get enough runs and 50 00:02:59,493 --> 00:03:01,773 Speaker 3: could they stay in the game long enough, you know, 51 00:03:02,053 --> 00:03:05,533 Speaker 3: without a bad session. I mean one bad session can 52 00:03:05,653 --> 00:03:09,013 Speaker 3: kill you when you're in a Test, vicially when you're 53 00:03:09,053 --> 00:03:13,613 Speaker 3: playing overseas, you know, and you're tested to your skills 54 00:03:13,613 --> 00:03:18,013 Speaker 3: and you're in unfamiliar conditions. But I thought their batting 55 00:03:18,893 --> 00:03:22,933 Speaker 3: looked as if they could get runs. I mean, that 56 00:03:23,013 --> 00:03:25,973 Speaker 3: wasn't the way with the West Indies, who collapsed I 57 00:03:26,293 --> 00:03:30,533 Speaker 3: in the second Yeah, Sri Lanka I thought lost the 58 00:03:30,573 --> 00:03:33,173 Speaker 3: game on the third morning of the match that had 59 00:03:33,173 --> 00:03:36,253 Speaker 3: a bit of rain, but they were bowling at England 60 00:03:36,413 --> 00:03:39,693 Speaker 3: and the England tail put on another hundred and that's 61 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:42,533 Speaker 3: what really gave them the lead between the first two, 62 00:03:42,693 --> 00:03:45,333 Speaker 3: you know, between the first innings, each of the teams 63 00:03:45,373 --> 00:03:48,693 Speaker 3: having said that though they won the toss and batted, 64 00:03:48,733 --> 00:03:50,973 Speaker 3: didn't they and they were five for seventy and seven 65 00:03:51,013 --> 00:03:53,213 Speaker 3: for one hundred and ten or something, but they got 66 00:03:53,253 --> 00:03:55,373 Speaker 3: to two thirty five. It's not quite enough in the 67 00:03:55,373 --> 00:03:56,613 Speaker 3: first innings, is it No? 68 00:03:57,133 --> 00:04:02,213 Speaker 2: And they had a reasonable lower order response in both 69 00:04:02,253 --> 00:04:06,853 Speaker 2: of these because of course that relatively you play. Amendous 70 00:04:07,453 --> 00:04:09,693 Speaker 2: came out the second and got one hundred. He did it, 71 00:04:09,893 --> 00:04:11,173 Speaker 2: had a good strikebreak too. 72 00:04:11,573 --> 00:04:16,733 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, Amindu Mendis was outstanding. Got one hundred and ten. 73 00:04:17,773 --> 00:04:20,413 Speaker 3: That's his I think that's his third hundred and four 74 00:04:20,493 --> 00:04:24,053 Speaker 3: Test wads and this is probably the best of the lot. 75 00:04:24,533 --> 00:04:28,093 Speaker 3: He bats at number seven. Very impressive because he didn't 76 00:04:28,133 --> 00:04:30,933 Speaker 3: get there. You know, this hundred was away from home, 77 00:04:31,013 --> 00:04:34,973 Speaker 3: not at Bangladesh or in Sri Lanka itself. They had 78 00:04:34,973 --> 00:04:37,493 Speaker 3: a little bit of trouble at the top, didn't they. 79 00:04:37,693 --> 00:04:42,373 Speaker 3: Karuna Ratna didn't quite get going. And Kusal Mendus they've 80 00:04:42,373 --> 00:04:46,213 Speaker 3: been there to England before. They missed out in both 81 00:04:46,253 --> 00:04:48,893 Speaker 3: the innings, the opener and the number three. They did 82 00:04:49,013 --> 00:04:52,173 Speaker 3: fight back. And that's the point that I think you're making. 83 00:04:53,573 --> 00:04:57,573 Speaker 3: I mean, in the first innings the Captain de Silver 84 00:04:58,533 --> 00:05:01,333 Speaker 3: he got a seventy and I think one of the bowlers, 85 00:05:01,493 --> 00:05:04,373 Speaker 3: rat Nayak or someone like that got a seventy. And 86 00:05:04,413 --> 00:05:08,213 Speaker 3: then in the second innings Matthew's got sixty odd chun 87 00:05:08,533 --> 00:05:12,093 Speaker 3: Mar got eighty and then Comindu Mendous and Chander Mail 88 00:05:12,093 --> 00:05:14,693 Speaker 3: and Mendus. That partnership has they have kept that going. 89 00:05:15,213 --> 00:05:18,733 Speaker 3: They could really well. They did set England two hundred 90 00:05:18,773 --> 00:05:21,173 Speaker 3: odd to get to get in the last innings and 91 00:05:21,213 --> 00:05:24,693 Speaker 3: England lost three wickets quite quickly. They could really have 92 00:05:24,813 --> 00:05:25,653 Speaker 3: tested them out. 93 00:05:26,013 --> 00:05:28,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chanda Male was batting under a bit of duress 94 00:05:28,693 --> 00:05:31,733 Speaker 2: as well because he'd retired hurt after being whacked on 95 00:05:31,773 --> 00:05:35,493 Speaker 2: the hand by wood and that would make you hurt, 96 00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:38,213 Speaker 2: so I'm sure he was in a little bit of pain. 97 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:40,773 Speaker 2: But yeah, they did put They did put on a 98 00:05:41,053 --> 00:05:44,813 Speaker 2: good fight with the bat. I was I watched through 99 00:05:45,013 --> 00:05:46,813 Speaker 2: a bit of the night because I wanted to watch 100 00:05:47,573 --> 00:05:50,693 Speaker 2: spinners and the kind of spinners that New Zealand are 101 00:05:50,693 --> 00:05:54,253 Speaker 2: going to meet. But they yeah, yeah, they only really 102 00:05:54,293 --> 00:05:59,293 Speaker 2: played one Jayasuria who was out and out. Mitchell Sant 103 00:05:59,293 --> 00:06:01,453 Speaker 2: and the left arm around the work at pretty accurate, 104 00:06:01,573 --> 00:06:04,973 Speaker 2: kept the ball there or thereabouts. The other spinners didn't 105 00:06:05,013 --> 00:06:07,653 Speaker 2: do much bowling. I think Dan and Jay oud to 106 00:06:07,693 --> 00:06:13,773 Speaker 2: Silver's spin, isn't he and so's that Mendous And you know, 107 00:06:14,693 --> 00:06:18,253 Speaker 2: we didn't really see them. Conditions didn't suit but they're 108 00:06:18,293 --> 00:06:20,213 Speaker 2: going to be dangerous when New Zealand get there. 109 00:06:20,293 --> 00:06:21,053 Speaker 4: Quite clearly. 110 00:06:21,933 --> 00:06:26,133 Speaker 2: I was also interested in England without Ben Stokes, they 111 00:06:26,293 --> 00:06:30,533 Speaker 2: just seemed to lack that sort of inspiration that he brings. 112 00:06:30,533 --> 00:06:32,773 Speaker 2: Pope did a good enough job. He wanted his match, 113 00:06:33,453 --> 00:06:36,293 Speaker 2: but it wasn't quite the same in terms of the 114 00:06:37,093 --> 00:06:42,653 Speaker 2: way Stokes captains aside a book like Brendan McCallum used to. 115 00:06:43,293 --> 00:06:45,773 Speaker 2: You know, he'd make changes and then he'd slip in 116 00:06:45,813 --> 00:06:48,093 Speaker 2: a fairly quickly if he needed to make a change, 117 00:06:48,093 --> 00:06:50,493 Speaker 2: and that didn't seem to be quite every but I 118 00:06:50,533 --> 00:06:52,293 Speaker 2: mean Pope did pretty well. It was his first test 119 00:06:52,333 --> 00:06:54,973 Speaker 2: mention hard to make a judgment on him until he's 120 00:06:55,013 --> 00:06:56,253 Speaker 2: had a few in charge. 121 00:06:56,453 --> 00:06:59,853 Speaker 3: The first point I would say, I've said I think 122 00:06:59,893 --> 00:07:04,533 Speaker 3: that the runs are there for Sri Lanka, and really 123 00:07:04,573 --> 00:07:07,653 Speaker 3: in the end England had to be a bit more careful, didn't. 124 00:07:07,693 --> 00:07:10,253 Speaker 3: They have to lose it those wickets, they had to 125 00:07:10,293 --> 00:07:13,173 Speaker 3: give up and fullgo that sort of bas ball approach 126 00:07:13,213 --> 00:07:17,893 Speaker 3: attack and they had to chisel out in an orthodox 127 00:07:17,973 --> 00:07:21,493 Speaker 3: way to an orthodox win. And that's where Root showed 128 00:07:21,493 --> 00:07:26,853 Speaker 3: his class and his experience. Really, but I agree with 129 00:07:26,893 --> 00:07:30,573 Speaker 3: you about Sri Lanka when they play New Zealand and 130 00:07:30,573 --> 00:07:34,653 Speaker 3: two tests at gare fairly shortly. I was there a 131 00:07:34,733 --> 00:07:39,773 Speaker 3: year ago and gore watching Australia play Sri Lanka and 132 00:07:39,853 --> 00:07:45,813 Speaker 3: it turned appreciably and Australia with something one test, but 133 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,453 Speaker 3: they won the second but Spin dominated. And really, if 134 00:07:49,453 --> 00:07:51,613 Speaker 3: New Zealand want to hold their own their position in 135 00:07:51,653 --> 00:07:54,293 Speaker 3: the World Test Championship that you've mentioned, they really have 136 00:07:54,413 --> 00:07:57,253 Speaker 3: to try and win well at least one of those 137 00:07:57,333 --> 00:08:01,213 Speaker 3: tests in Sri Lanka, right, and it's going to be 138 00:08:01,253 --> 00:08:04,053 Speaker 3: a tall challenge. I agree with you as far as 139 00:08:04,093 --> 00:08:07,333 Speaker 3: the pope thing goes. Yeah, he's won a Test. He's 140 00:08:07,333 --> 00:08:10,733 Speaker 3: not the same as he doesn't quite have that instinct 141 00:08:11,213 --> 00:08:16,453 Speaker 3: that Stokes seems to have about the game. He's he's 142 00:08:16,493 --> 00:08:20,813 Speaker 3: acquieter captain, isn't he He's not. Yeah, he's not grabbing 143 00:08:20,893 --> 00:08:22,973 Speaker 3: the game by the scruff of the net and shake 144 00:08:23,453 --> 00:08:28,573 Speaker 3: neck and shaking it the way that Stokes does. So yeah, 145 00:08:28,613 --> 00:08:35,133 Speaker 3: he's he. They've made him vice captain. There is talk 146 00:08:35,213 --> 00:08:38,573 Speaker 3: about the guy Crawley when he comes back, perhaps being 147 00:08:38,613 --> 00:08:41,293 Speaker 3: the next captain. I don't know, but there are other 148 00:08:41,373 --> 00:08:45,293 Speaker 3: options there. But in the meantime they've they've chosen the 149 00:08:45,373 --> 00:08:49,653 Speaker 3: Coote and so yeah, he did okay, he did okay, 150 00:08:49,653 --> 00:08:50,733 Speaker 3: but he's not Stokes. 151 00:08:51,373 --> 00:08:53,893 Speaker 2: There are fans in ukar to be looking at some 152 00:08:53,893 --> 00:08:57,773 Speaker 2: of the websites over there that actually challenge Pope's value. 153 00:08:58,013 --> 00:08:59,653 Speaker 2: Is he worth his place on the side. I think 154 00:08:59,653 --> 00:09:02,173 Speaker 2: he probably is. He's a quality player. He might have 155 00:09:02,813 --> 00:09:05,653 Speaker 2: missed out on this Test match, but I think he'll 156 00:09:05,653 --> 00:09:09,733 Speaker 2: hold his place because of the consistency style of selection 157 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:16,093 Speaker 2: that Key, Stokes and McCullum are going for. Not gotten 158 00:09:16,213 --> 00:09:19,413 Speaker 2: so much for consistency because they've been hampered by injury 159 00:09:19,453 --> 00:09:23,053 Speaker 2: for the rest of the series. They've picked a squad 160 00:09:23,133 --> 00:09:28,693 Speaker 2: that includes a new fast bowler, Josh Hull six foot 161 00:09:28,853 --> 00:09:32,173 Speaker 2: seven inches tall. You know that's Kyle Jamison stuff is 162 00:09:32,173 --> 00:09:34,373 Speaker 2: and he's coming down from a big height, as well 163 00:09:34,413 --> 00:09:39,093 Speaker 2: as Ollie Stone, Chris Wolkes, Matthew Potts, Gus Atkinson, and 164 00:09:39,133 --> 00:09:42,093 Speaker 2: of course they've got players injured. Wood of course is 165 00:09:42,573 --> 00:09:44,893 Speaker 2: constantly injured and there's been a question mark about whether 166 00:09:44,933 --> 00:09:48,173 Speaker 2: he should go to Australia because he's got that injury problem. 167 00:09:48,373 --> 00:09:52,333 Speaker 2: And they've also got injuries to Tom Overton, Pennington and 168 00:09:52,453 --> 00:09:56,693 Speaker 2: the cass who's back in the framework after some problems 169 00:09:56,693 --> 00:10:01,733 Speaker 2: with the judiciary of some kind. So you know they've 170 00:10:01,773 --> 00:10:04,533 Speaker 2: got plenty of good players there to bring into their squad. 171 00:10:05,173 --> 00:10:07,893 Speaker 3: They'll take Wood, there's no doubt about that. If he's 172 00:10:08,413 --> 00:10:13,773 Speaker 3: he's vaguely fit, they'll want his speed. But Josh Harley, 173 00:10:13,773 --> 00:10:17,253 Speaker 3: you mentioned, yeah, he's been plucked out, hasn't he? Very 174 00:10:17,413 --> 00:10:23,013 Speaker 3: left field suggestion? He's from Leicestershire, he's a lead from 175 00:10:23,093 --> 00:10:28,293 Speaker 3: the Midlands farming boy. I believe Leicestershire are normally a 176 00:10:28,373 --> 00:10:31,373 Speaker 3: side that's towards the bottom of the competitions over there. 177 00:10:31,853 --> 00:10:34,533 Speaker 3: So yeah, six foot seven. I mean he obviously drives 178 00:10:34,533 --> 00:10:38,533 Speaker 3: his car from the back seat of the vehicles. He's 179 00:10:38,573 --> 00:10:41,653 Speaker 3: a left armor, isn't he as well? So he has 180 00:10:41,693 --> 00:10:45,453 Speaker 3: trouble with scissors. England haven't had many left armors, have they? 181 00:10:45,613 --> 00:10:51,173 Speaker 3: They can you? I mean I can remember side bottom, Yeah, 182 00:10:51,173 --> 00:10:56,373 Speaker 3: but he doesn't. Does he play tests? Nolan? I think no? 183 00:10:56,533 --> 00:10:59,253 Speaker 3: But what about did we watch the guy was at 184 00:10:59,333 --> 00:11:03,413 Speaker 3: Melaley who was a surfer rather a strange guy, Alan 185 00:11:03,613 --> 00:11:07,733 Speaker 3: Mulully and then the one I played against it but 186 00:11:07,893 --> 00:11:10,773 Speaker 3: John Lever, But I can't think of too many others. 187 00:11:10,813 --> 00:11:13,373 Speaker 3: I don't think Sam Curran has played a Test, has he? 188 00:11:13,653 --> 00:11:14,013 Speaker 3: I don't know. 189 00:11:14,053 --> 00:11:16,733 Speaker 2: I think he may well have, but he's not a 190 00:11:16,773 --> 00:11:20,173 Speaker 2: regular selection. He's seen as a white ball player, and 191 00:11:20,213 --> 00:11:23,253 Speaker 2: they've named a white ball squad too recently with a 192 00:11:23,253 --> 00:11:27,053 Speaker 2: lot of names in there, and important players have been dismissed. 193 00:11:27,173 --> 00:11:31,093 Speaker 2: But they've got what is seemingly good depth, haven't they. 194 00:11:31,293 --> 00:11:35,613 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they look this guy Hull. When I say 195 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:38,893 Speaker 3: he's very left field. You know, he's only played ten 196 00:11:39,093 --> 00:11:43,573 Speaker 3: first class games. He's got sixteen wickets, so that's one 197 00:11:43,613 --> 00:11:46,973 Speaker 3: and a half wickets basically per game. That's not very 198 00:11:47,013 --> 00:11:50,933 Speaker 3: good really when you think of pedals got five per 199 00:11:51,053 --> 00:11:55,613 Speaker 3: game and he hasn't played a Test yet. Obviously his 200 00:11:55,733 --> 00:12:01,373 Speaker 3: average is over sixty per problem. It's this group of selectors. 201 00:12:01,413 --> 00:12:05,933 Speaker 3: It's their approach, rob Key. Basically he's one of the selectors. 202 00:12:06,013 --> 00:12:09,053 Speaker 3: He wants to know only one thing, me the number, 203 00:12:09,333 --> 00:12:13,373 Speaker 3: you know, and it's got to be eighty five and 204 00:12:13,573 --> 00:12:17,293 Speaker 3: over and plus. That's what he wants. He's asking how 205 00:12:17,413 --> 00:12:21,133 Speaker 3: quick and Hull according to the speed gun on one 206 00:12:21,253 --> 00:12:25,773 Speaker 3: hundred you know that other competition called one hundred nonsense? 207 00:12:25,813 --> 00:12:29,253 Speaker 3: Really he was The speed gun clocked him at ninety 208 00:12:29,293 --> 00:12:32,613 Speaker 3: miles an hour. Rob is interested all of a sudden, 209 00:12:33,213 --> 00:12:37,973 Speaker 3: and they obviously like his angle left arm. They haven't 210 00:12:38,013 --> 00:12:40,773 Speaker 3: had many left armers and that helps Old Basher the 211 00:12:40,813 --> 00:12:44,373 Speaker 3: off spinner. They like the fact that his height and 212 00:12:44,573 --> 00:12:49,613 Speaker 3: gives bounce. Never mind his results. They don't care about 213 00:12:49,653 --> 00:12:52,973 Speaker 3: first class cricket in that way at all, and that's 214 00:12:53,013 --> 00:12:56,453 Speaker 3: a really interesting point. They don't worry about the fact 215 00:12:56,493 --> 00:12:59,173 Speaker 3: that he's virtually not played at all. Never Mind all 216 00:12:59,213 --> 00:13:01,973 Speaker 3: these other seamers in England that have got three hundred 217 00:13:02,053 --> 00:13:05,893 Speaker 3: first class wickets. They don't have the pace, they don't 218 00:13:05,973 --> 00:13:09,973 Speaker 3: have that number, and they you know, they don't want 219 00:13:10,013 --> 00:13:13,933 Speaker 3: them those players other than perhaps against in England to 220 00:13:14,013 --> 00:13:19,453 Speaker 3: bowl there like Wokes like pots, or perhaps playing in 221 00:13:19,533 --> 00:13:22,373 Speaker 3: New Zealand. Those are the only two places they'll use 222 00:13:22,453 --> 00:13:28,093 Speaker 3: those bowlers. But they've severed that relationship with the county championship. 223 00:13:28,093 --> 00:13:31,813 Speaker 3: They're saying Tests are different. That's not the same thing. 224 00:13:32,253 --> 00:13:36,093 Speaker 3: And it's a huge change in selection because normally, when 225 00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:40,773 Speaker 3: I played and when others played, you were rewarded with 226 00:13:40,853 --> 00:13:44,533 Speaker 3: the Test team selection if you had got performances in 227 00:13:44,653 --> 00:13:47,333 Speaker 3: first class. That's how you got on the team, wasn't it. 228 00:13:47,333 --> 00:13:49,893 Speaker 3: It's the first thing that's put on the table in 229 00:13:49,933 --> 00:13:54,733 Speaker 3: the selector's meetings. There are the averages, there are the performances, 230 00:13:55,373 --> 00:14:00,493 Speaker 3: and then you select those from Really that's the judgment 231 00:14:00,573 --> 00:14:05,493 Speaker 3: of where you sit on those averages. They'll throw in 232 00:14:05,613 --> 00:14:08,533 Speaker 3: some other stuff about character and all that sort of thing, 233 00:14:08,573 --> 00:14:11,493 Speaker 3: but they throw these guys together and then they see 234 00:14:11,533 --> 00:14:13,293 Speaker 3: what happens. That's the Test team. 235 00:14:13,413 --> 00:14:17,173 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the stats are important, of course, how people 236 00:14:17,213 --> 00:14:21,813 Speaker 2: do perform in certain circumstances and that is significant, But 237 00:14:21,853 --> 00:14:25,173 Speaker 2: it's an issue also of how you use a player. 238 00:14:25,973 --> 00:14:28,493 Speaker 2: Does the captain want him in the team for a startoff? 239 00:14:28,893 --> 00:14:32,293 Speaker 2: You don't know, does the coach want a certain player 240 00:14:32,293 --> 00:14:34,653 Speaker 2: and a side and they may you know, they check 241 00:14:34,813 --> 00:14:38,893 Speaker 2: those things out as well, don't they, And people get omitted. 242 00:14:39,373 --> 00:14:42,613 Speaker 2: I mean you look at their white ball squad that's 243 00:14:42,653 --> 00:14:45,933 Speaker 2: been named Bye Bye Johnny Bestow. I don't know whether 244 00:14:45,933 --> 00:14:47,693 Speaker 2: we could afford to get rid of a Johnny Bearstow 245 00:14:47,933 --> 00:14:49,613 Speaker 2: in New Zealand at the moment, but they can do 246 00:14:49,653 --> 00:14:51,813 Speaker 2: it in England. Main Ali was coming to the end 247 00:14:51,813 --> 00:14:53,533 Speaker 2: of his time. But they've got a whole lot of 248 00:14:53,573 --> 00:14:56,373 Speaker 2: new names in there as well. And I suppose that 249 00:14:56,573 --> 00:15:00,333 Speaker 2: is built on the same premise from the England point 250 00:15:00,333 --> 00:15:03,173 Speaker 2: of view, because there white ball team isn't quite as 251 00:15:03,173 --> 00:15:05,293 Speaker 2: successful as their test match team at the moment, is it. 252 00:15:06,213 --> 00:15:09,013 Speaker 3: No, it's not, But that's why they've made all those changes. 253 00:15:09,053 --> 00:15:13,053 Speaker 3: They're clearly moving on from that recent you know, the 254 00:15:13,093 --> 00:15:16,813 Speaker 3: ODI World Cup where they were very poor and then 255 00:15:16,853 --> 00:15:20,373 Speaker 3: the T twenty where they were kind of average, and 256 00:15:20,413 --> 00:15:22,733 Speaker 3: they're saying that's not good enough and so a lot 257 00:15:22,813 --> 00:15:28,973 Speaker 3: of players have been you know, overlooked. The coach was sacked, 258 00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:34,133 Speaker 3: No Matthew Mott as you say, no Best omanally and 259 00:15:34,213 --> 00:15:37,653 Speaker 3: lots of new names, but just you know, as far 260 00:15:37,733 --> 00:15:41,173 Speaker 3: as the Test side is concerned, instead of just looking 261 00:15:41,213 --> 00:15:45,053 Speaker 3: at the first class averages and using that is kind 262 00:15:45,093 --> 00:15:48,533 Speaker 3: of a basis to have discussions, what's happened now? It 263 00:15:48,573 --> 00:15:53,093 Speaker 3: seems to me is they say, and that they being 264 00:15:53,213 --> 00:15:57,613 Speaker 3: I guess Rob Key, Brendan McCullum and I would have 265 00:15:57,653 --> 00:16:01,013 Speaker 3: thought Stokes would have been in there fairly intimately as well, 266 00:16:01,093 --> 00:16:07,373 Speaker 3: having quite important chats they are saying, it seems to me, 267 00:16:07,653 --> 00:16:11,613 Speaker 3: what is our tea His team need to be successful 268 00:16:11,653 --> 00:16:15,733 Speaker 3: to play in these conditions, and that's why then they 269 00:16:15,773 --> 00:16:18,333 Speaker 3: go out and they look in the county Championships once 270 00:16:18,373 --> 00:16:22,293 Speaker 3: they've decided, And that's why they want to get this 271 00:16:22,813 --> 00:16:26,453 Speaker 3: Josh Hall into the setup. They they like certain things 272 00:16:26,493 --> 00:16:28,893 Speaker 3: about him, his pace, they like his height, they like 273 00:16:28,973 --> 00:16:34,213 Speaker 3: his left arm, and then they bring him in and 274 00:16:34,733 --> 00:16:39,533 Speaker 3: to their atmosphere and not judging him, and they they 275 00:16:39,573 --> 00:16:42,053 Speaker 3: have their coaches and their medical stuff and so on. 276 00:16:42,093 --> 00:16:43,893 Speaker 3: They want to see him at their nets and they'll 277 00:16:43,933 --> 00:16:48,533 Speaker 3: advance them and they'll modify them quite a bit. But 278 00:16:48,693 --> 00:16:51,973 Speaker 3: they are a horses for courses approach, that's my point. 279 00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:55,493 Speaker 3: When they went to Pakistan, they wanted three spinners, they 280 00:16:55,533 --> 00:17:01,613 Speaker 3: wanted a wrist spinner. Who did they bring Inbashir Ryan 281 00:17:01,733 --> 00:17:06,093 Speaker 3: Armored Hartly. 282 00:17:07,133 --> 00:17:07,693 Speaker 4: Yeah. 283 00:17:07,733 --> 00:17:10,933 Speaker 3: Well, then they went to India and they wanted spin bowlers. 284 00:17:11,733 --> 00:17:13,893 Speaker 3: I mean Rayan arm had got a five for in 285 00:17:14,013 --> 00:17:17,773 Speaker 3: Pakistan and then he wasn't used after that. He hasn't. 286 00:17:17,773 --> 00:17:19,733 Speaker 3: He's been around the one day, but he hasn't been 287 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:24,413 Speaker 3: playing in tests much since Pakistan. They when they went 288 00:17:24,453 --> 00:17:28,213 Speaker 3: to India, they wanted to have tall bowlers with a 289 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:31,853 Speaker 3: high release like Axapatel even though he sort of skids 290 00:17:31,853 --> 00:17:34,213 Speaker 3: of that tubit, and they wanted them to be quick 291 00:17:34,253 --> 00:17:39,093 Speaker 3: and flat like Jadasia. So they got Shoa basher And 292 00:17:39,093 --> 00:17:41,813 Speaker 3: and he wasn't even playing for Somerset at the time. 293 00:17:41,853 --> 00:17:45,733 Speaker 3: He wasn't even selected for their for his county. And 294 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:48,653 Speaker 3: then they wanted Tom Hartley, who was a left arm 295 00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:53,333 Speaker 3: orthodox as you mentioned, ahead of Liam Dawson who was 296 00:17:53,373 --> 00:17:56,573 Speaker 3: playing really well. And Tom Hartley went to India but 297 00:17:56,733 --> 00:18:00,173 Speaker 3: he hasn't been used again, and now they're looking at 298 00:18:00,173 --> 00:18:04,893 Speaker 3: Australia where they want eighty five plus miles an hour. 299 00:18:05,533 --> 00:18:09,893 Speaker 3: Paul Quicks out goes Andersen, Broad would have gone too 300 00:18:09,933 --> 00:18:15,133 Speaker 3: if he hadn't retired, and incomes Atkinson and Stone and 301 00:18:15,173 --> 00:18:19,613 Speaker 3: you mentioned tongue. Wood is shorter, but he's much quicker 302 00:18:19,813 --> 00:18:23,453 Speaker 3: and he's skiddy. And now they've got Josh Hallan there. 303 00:18:24,013 --> 00:18:29,333 Speaker 3: So it's interesting that's horses for courses. I'm not sure 304 00:18:29,373 --> 00:18:32,773 Speaker 3: how it is for Ryan Armored now he's not quite 305 00:18:32,813 --> 00:18:35,973 Speaker 3: there in the mix now. I'm not quite sure how 306 00:18:36,013 --> 00:18:39,333 Speaker 3: it is for Tom Hartley. I don't think they're abandoned, 307 00:18:40,173 --> 00:18:43,773 Speaker 3: but I wonder how it feels, And I wonder how 308 00:18:43,773 --> 00:18:46,533 Speaker 3: it feels for all those medium fast bowlers in England 309 00:18:48,093 --> 00:18:51,613 Speaker 3: getting loads of wickets, but a ten k's a bit slow. 310 00:18:53,173 --> 00:18:53,373 Speaker 4: Yeah. 311 00:18:53,413 --> 00:18:55,533 Speaker 2: The other thing from Ryan Armer's point of view, I 312 00:18:55,613 --> 00:18:58,333 Speaker 2: just wonder whether he might not be athletic enough in 313 00:18:58,373 --> 00:19:01,293 Speaker 2: the field. He's a fairly solidly built lad. I don't 314 00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:04,213 Speaker 2: recall him being a draft horse, but you know that 315 00:19:04,293 --> 00:19:07,653 Speaker 2: may be a factor in terms of his outfielding when 316 00:19:07,653 --> 00:19:09,653 Speaker 2: some of them maybe a little bit sharper and a 317 00:19:09,693 --> 00:19:12,973 Speaker 2: little bit better in the end the outer But you 318 00:19:13,013 --> 00:19:17,373 Speaker 2: know that's a harsh judgment on a player who's performances 319 00:19:17,453 --> 00:19:20,813 Speaker 2: with the Paul have done a good job for the 320 00:19:20,853 --> 00:19:24,533 Speaker 2: England side. But you know it's a valid point. They 321 00:19:24,573 --> 00:19:27,293 Speaker 2: are prepared to take horses for courses and you mentioned 322 00:19:27,693 --> 00:19:32,373 Speaker 2: the pace and the tall players that they've got that 323 00:19:32,493 --> 00:19:36,093 Speaker 2: may well be thinking behind this Josh Hull because his 324 00:19:36,173 --> 00:19:40,653 Speaker 2: figures certainly don't recommend him at the moment. Because they've 325 00:19:40,653 --> 00:19:43,693 Speaker 2: got the final matches of the World Test Championship coming up. 326 00:19:43,693 --> 00:19:46,413 Speaker 2: England have a New Zealand of course coming out here 327 00:19:47,013 --> 00:19:50,293 Speaker 2: and I think they have a series against Pakistan as well. 328 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:55,613 Speaker 2: But they're just pushing up towards that percentage level that 329 00:19:55,853 --> 00:19:58,053 Speaker 2: is needed. They've still got a father of work to do. 330 00:19:58,613 --> 00:20:01,893 Speaker 2: India and Australia are the finalists at the moment. New 331 00:20:01,973 --> 00:20:04,973 Speaker 2: Zealand are third and they've got a real challenge on 332 00:20:05,453 --> 00:20:09,613 Speaker 2: England are forty one percent to Australia is sixty two percent. 333 00:20:09,933 --> 00:20:13,013 Speaker 2: I know it's crazy, and I remember Garth Galloway saying 334 00:20:13,213 --> 00:20:15,813 Speaker 2: on a previous program about how do you pick a 335 00:20:15,933 --> 00:20:18,613 Speaker 2: finalist out of a percentage? Why don't you get a 336 00:20:18,893 --> 00:20:22,813 Speaker 2: semi final scenario and then a final scenario with the 337 00:20:22,853 --> 00:20:26,413 Speaker 2: top four teams which doesn't seem to work out. But 338 00:20:26,493 --> 00:20:29,573 Speaker 2: all in all it's well at the bottom, we don't 339 00:20:29,573 --> 00:20:32,213 Speaker 2: really worry about those. It's the top four sides which 340 00:20:32,253 --> 00:20:35,413 Speaker 2: are the moment India, Australia, New Zealand and England. But 341 00:20:35,493 --> 00:20:37,813 Speaker 2: that can change with the amount of Test match cricket 342 00:20:37,813 --> 00:20:40,853 Speaker 2: that's coming up between now and Christmas. When New Zealand 343 00:20:41,093 --> 00:20:46,053 Speaker 2: play in December against England in our conditions. 344 00:20:46,373 --> 00:20:50,293 Speaker 3: Yeah dead right. England are the big movers, aren't they. 345 00:20:51,053 --> 00:20:54,373 Speaker 3: They playing against the West Indies and then Sri Lanka 346 00:20:55,013 --> 00:20:58,573 Speaker 3: and then US, they'll feel that they've got a chance 347 00:20:58,653 --> 00:21:02,813 Speaker 3: to move quite significantly up that list, and they have already. 348 00:21:04,293 --> 00:21:07,853 Speaker 3: It's not really a league as it once, the Test 349 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:12,013 Speaker 3: champion where you play each other, it seems you know, 350 00:21:12,133 --> 00:21:14,133 Speaker 3: that's a that's a real prop for me. It's a 351 00:21:14,133 --> 00:21:17,013 Speaker 3: bit of a problem. They wanted to get the whole 352 00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:19,653 Speaker 3: cycle over if they can within two years, it would 353 00:21:19,693 --> 00:21:22,093 Speaker 3: take them longer the way they go at the moment. 354 00:21:22,213 --> 00:21:25,013 Speaker 3: But it seems a bit of a I wouldn't say 355 00:21:25,133 --> 00:21:29,293 Speaker 3: desperate attempt, but to bring some context to what can 356 00:21:29,333 --> 00:21:32,413 Speaker 3: be dead tests. You know, if you've already ahead, then 357 00:21:32,453 --> 00:21:35,373 Speaker 3: you've you've got only one test left. That doesn't really 358 00:21:35,413 --> 00:21:38,973 Speaker 3: mean much. So they've tried to make those those dead 359 00:21:39,053 --> 00:21:43,693 Speaker 3: tests mean something and it kind of culminates in this 360 00:21:43,933 --> 00:21:49,133 Speaker 3: final just one knockout match and you mentioned guards. Should 361 00:21:49,173 --> 00:21:51,533 Speaker 3: it be more than one test? Well? Probably? 362 00:21:51,973 --> 00:21:53,533 Speaker 2: I think should it be in England? 363 00:21:54,213 --> 00:21:58,173 Speaker 3: Should it be in England? We saw India playing Australia 364 00:21:58,253 --> 00:22:02,213 Speaker 3: in England last time, didn't we for the final? That 365 00:22:02,333 --> 00:22:03,533 Speaker 3: seemed a bit weird to me. 366 00:22:04,173 --> 00:22:06,493 Speaker 2: I don't think it really matters. I mean, England and 367 00:22:06,813 --> 00:22:09,813 Speaker 2: India produced the the biggest crowds, don't they. So I 368 00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:13,133 Speaker 2: guess it's got to go to India at some stage. 369 00:22:13,253 --> 00:22:16,173 Speaker 2: But I think that you know, because you don't play 370 00:22:16,373 --> 00:22:19,893 Speaker 2: everybody in this championship, why don't they have it in 371 00:22:19,933 --> 00:22:22,613 Speaker 2: two groups of five? You've got ten, they played that off. 372 00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:27,053 Speaker 2: Then you've got semifinals out of the each group and 373 00:22:27,093 --> 00:22:29,373 Speaker 2: then a final, because what they want is a final, 374 00:22:29,373 --> 00:22:31,733 Speaker 2: don't they They want a big show piece. Well you can 375 00:22:31,773 --> 00:22:33,813 Speaker 2: have two semi finals which are part of the showpiece 376 00:22:33,813 --> 00:22:38,973 Speaker 2: as well, and then the grand final. But that of course. 377 00:22:38,773 --> 00:22:42,453 Speaker 3: Challenge like a World Cup, like a World Cup with groups. 378 00:22:42,853 --> 00:22:48,333 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but that all challenges the Indian concept of cricket, 379 00:22:48,333 --> 00:22:52,493 Speaker 2: which is all about the IPL. And you know you're 380 00:22:52,533 --> 00:22:55,453 Speaker 2: allowed a Test match in the end of May as 381 00:22:55,493 --> 00:22:58,133 Speaker 2: soon as we finished our IPL. And the fact that 382 00:22:58,173 --> 00:23:03,213 Speaker 2: the chairman of the ICC now comes from India has 383 00:23:03,253 --> 00:23:07,573 Speaker 2: just been voted in takes over from the New Zealand 384 00:23:07,733 --> 00:23:13,453 Speaker 2: man who there it comes in October. So you know 385 00:23:14,253 --> 00:23:18,373 Speaker 2: that's always the challenges for the people who have the 386 00:23:18,413 --> 00:23:21,733 Speaker 2: responsibility to run the game. But you know, we will 387 00:23:21,733 --> 00:23:27,133 Speaker 2: still attempt to get ourselves into the Test Match Championship. 388 00:23:27,293 --> 00:23:31,493 Speaker 1: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot some. 389 00:23:31,373 --> 00:23:34,573 Speaker 2: Sad news in New Zealand cricket circles this week. Well, 390 00:23:34,573 --> 00:23:37,533 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago I learned of the passing 391 00:23:37,693 --> 00:23:41,813 Speaker 2: of Test Match umpire Day quested he stood in thirty 392 00:23:41,813 --> 00:23:44,613 Speaker 2: one matches in New Zealand. He was a TV umpire 393 00:23:45,253 --> 00:23:51,813 Speaker 2: in fifteen matches. He had a test period of nineteen 394 00:23:51,853 --> 00:23:56,373 Speaker 2: ninety five to two thousand and one and was often 395 00:23:56,453 --> 00:23:59,893 Speaker 2: a TV umpire and he stood in eighteen Women's One 396 00:23:59,973 --> 00:24:03,133 Speaker 2: Day Internationals. Seventy eight years of age. Dave quested I 397 00:24:03,173 --> 00:24:05,853 Speaker 2: really enjoyed his companies. I saw a lot of him 398 00:24:05,853 --> 00:24:08,573 Speaker 2: around the cricket scene because not only did he do 399 00:24:09,093 --> 00:24:11,213 Speaker 2: test matches, but he did domestic cricket and they were 400 00:24:11,213 --> 00:24:14,453 Speaker 2: traveling umpires around for that and he was one of 401 00:24:14,453 --> 00:24:16,493 Speaker 2: those guys. He had a great sense of humor. He 402 00:24:16,573 --> 00:24:18,733 Speaker 2: listened a bit to the radio. He used to have 403 00:24:18,813 --> 00:24:22,333 Speaker 2: me on about times I might have criticized umpiring decisions 404 00:24:22,733 --> 00:24:25,093 Speaker 2: and it was a lot of fun and it didn't 405 00:24:25,093 --> 00:24:29,493 Speaker 2: take himself too seriously. So it's sad his passing untimely 406 00:24:29,573 --> 00:24:33,333 Speaker 2: really to not be able to see Dave Quested again. 407 00:24:33,333 --> 00:24:34,493 Speaker 2: I don't know if you had much to do with 408 00:24:34,573 --> 00:24:35,493 Speaker 2: him as Jerry. 409 00:24:35,373 --> 00:24:37,973 Speaker 3: No, not a lot was. I mean, I do remember 410 00:24:38,053 --> 00:24:41,493 Speaker 3: him when I was playing for Wellington. I don't think 411 00:24:41,493 --> 00:24:43,973 Speaker 3: he had many tests actually as an umpire. Did he 412 00:24:44,013 --> 00:24:47,333 Speaker 3: in a men's game at that stage. They died five yeah, 413 00:24:47,413 --> 00:24:50,853 Speaker 3: did he, Yes, But I mean he was always it 414 00:24:50,893 --> 00:24:52,653 Speaker 3: is always easy to get on with. I think that 415 00:24:52,773 --> 00:24:55,773 Speaker 3: was the thing. And he didn't get overly offended you 416 00:24:56,333 --> 00:24:58,133 Speaker 3: if you happened to speak out of the corner of 417 00:24:58,173 --> 00:25:00,813 Speaker 3: your mouth about what you thought was an LBW decision. 418 00:25:01,253 --> 00:25:04,773 Speaker 3: So and all mine were out of course. So he 419 00:25:04,853 --> 00:25:10,053 Speaker 3: you know, he you know, no, that's said, that's sad news. 420 00:25:10,093 --> 00:25:12,493 Speaker 3: I didn't know that, actually, I have to say so. 421 00:25:13,093 --> 00:25:18,573 Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, fond memories of Dave Quested passed away 422 00:25:18,613 --> 00:25:23,053 Speaker 2: at the age of seventy eight. In his im cricket terms. 423 00:25:23,613 --> 00:25:25,933 Speaker 2: Our interest of courses in the World Test Championship and 424 00:25:25,973 --> 00:25:29,413 Speaker 2: the match against Afghanistan, they've left Rashid Khan out of 425 00:25:29,493 --> 00:25:33,773 Speaker 2: the Afghanistan squad. Can't understand that pretty five years of age, 426 00:25:33,813 --> 00:25:38,373 Speaker 2: five Tests and thirty odd wickets at an average of 427 00:25:38,413 --> 00:25:41,733 Speaker 2: twenty two. I think he's run for out of the 428 00:25:42,293 --> 00:25:44,453 Speaker 2: ass at times in that part of the world. But 429 00:25:44,853 --> 00:25:47,093 Speaker 2: you know, it could be them just trying out new players, 430 00:25:47,133 --> 00:25:49,093 Speaker 2: because there are a number in the squad that I 431 00:25:49,133 --> 00:25:51,853 Speaker 2: haven't seen, and there's a couple of players who were 432 00:25:52,013 --> 00:25:54,653 Speaker 2: successful in the World T twenties that have been omitted 433 00:25:54,653 --> 00:25:55,413 Speaker 2: as well. Haven't they. 434 00:25:56,533 --> 00:26:00,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one. I just very quickly looked 435 00:26:00,973 --> 00:26:07,653 Speaker 3: up the preliminary squad that Afghanistan have announced. There are 436 00:26:07,653 --> 00:26:12,693 Speaker 3: only three players who played against New Zealand in that 437 00:26:12,853 --> 00:26:18,253 Speaker 3: T twenty at Providence and beat them comfortably by about 438 00:26:18,253 --> 00:26:23,013 Speaker 3: eighty or ninety runs, didn't they. And you know there's 439 00:26:23,053 --> 00:26:26,893 Speaker 3: there's the opener, a guy called Ibrahim Zadran, who's who's 440 00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:29,773 Speaker 3: in this test squad as well. There's the number three 441 00:26:29,933 --> 00:26:34,973 Speaker 3: which is Omarzai, and then there's Gilberdine Naive as the 442 00:26:35,013 --> 00:26:37,733 Speaker 3: other in the last one. He was that guy bold, 443 00:26:37,773 --> 00:26:40,773 Speaker 3: medium pace and batted a bit and he was the bodybuilder, 444 00:26:40,973 --> 00:26:43,813 Speaker 3: you know, every time he used to pose after he 445 00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:46,293 Speaker 3: got a wicket with his muscles, you know, in his 446 00:26:46,453 --> 00:26:50,413 Speaker 3: arms at the high tensile shapes and in his arms, 447 00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:56,173 Speaker 3: he wouldn't have fitted into my shirt. So but but 448 00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:59,053 Speaker 3: all the players that we kind of think of in 449 00:26:59,093 --> 00:27:03,053 Speaker 3: that T twenty side, like Gerbaz the hitter at the opening, 450 00:27:04,453 --> 00:27:09,773 Speaker 3: Rashid Khan, Mohammad Nabi Mudjib the off spinner, the left 451 00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:14,853 Speaker 3: left arm legie, none of those are in that squad. 452 00:27:15,213 --> 00:27:18,973 Speaker 3: Navin al Huk and Feruki the left arm swing bowler 453 00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:23,053 Speaker 3: who opened the bowling and made a meal of us. 454 00:27:23,093 --> 00:27:27,133 Speaker 3: Neither of those quicks are in that side either, so 455 00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:31,293 Speaker 3: it's a very different looking Test side, two different teams. 456 00:27:31,653 --> 00:27:33,853 Speaker 3: Maybe the others are off playing franchise quads. 457 00:27:33,973 --> 00:27:34,573 Speaker 4: I don't know. 458 00:27:35,973 --> 00:27:39,013 Speaker 3: There's lots of obscure franchise leagues that these guys could 459 00:27:39,013 --> 00:27:41,373 Speaker 3: be playing, even if they're not one of the main ones. 460 00:27:41,853 --> 00:27:45,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have one in carboor I can't imagine when 461 00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:47,773 Speaker 2: you see all the shots on television that you see 462 00:27:47,813 --> 00:27:50,613 Speaker 2: of Afghanistan, I can't imagine there's a cricket league going 463 00:27:50,653 --> 00:27:53,653 Speaker 2: on in Carble, but there is. And yeah, I'm sure 464 00:27:54,013 --> 00:27:56,973 Speaker 2: Rushied Carmel return at the age twenty five. The other 465 00:27:57,013 --> 00:28:00,453 Speaker 2: thing that will happen is that these white fans are 466 00:28:00,453 --> 00:28:05,973 Speaker 2: heading off to the World T twenty women's events in Dubai. Boy, 467 00:28:06,293 --> 00:28:11,373 Speaker 2: have they got a pool to play in? Their matches 468 00:28:11,373 --> 00:28:14,493 Speaker 2: are going to be against India on October the fourth, 469 00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:17,453 Speaker 2: Australia on the eighth, Sri Lanka the twelfth, and Pakistan 470 00:28:17,493 --> 00:28:20,093 Speaker 2: on the fourteenth. And they've had trouble against all those 471 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:23,253 Speaker 2: sides in recent matches. They've got a challenge, haven't they. 472 00:28:23,373 --> 00:28:26,813 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, is it rather odd that the two ranked 473 00:28:27,133 --> 00:28:30,173 Speaker 3: top sides in the world and T twenty are in 474 00:28:30,253 --> 00:28:32,853 Speaker 3: the same side of the draw. That's Australia who are 475 00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:36,213 Speaker 3: current holders and India. But however, at the moment at 476 00:28:36,293 --> 00:28:39,453 Speaker 3: rank number one in that format that they're in the 477 00:28:39,493 --> 00:28:41,973 Speaker 3: boat on the same side, aren't they normally separated? 478 00:28:42,413 --> 00:28:45,253 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they've had to make a change of course, 479 00:28:45,253 --> 00:28:49,653 Speaker 2: because they've shifted from Bangladesh to the Emirates. England and 480 00:28:49,893 --> 00:28:54,133 Speaker 2: South Africa, I guess would be the top ranked sides 481 00:28:54,173 --> 00:28:57,213 Speaker 2: in the other pool Bangladesh, Scotland and West Indies a 482 00:28:57,213 --> 00:29:00,333 Speaker 2: part of it, and they too, West Indies are starting 483 00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:02,533 Speaker 2: to come up. They having a series at the moment, 484 00:29:03,453 --> 00:29:07,373 Speaker 2: so you know there's a lot on for these sides 485 00:29:07,413 --> 00:29:09,333 Speaker 2: of the world. T twenty New Zealand have got a 486 00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:11,653 Speaker 2: lot of work to do and that in a couple 487 00:29:11,653 --> 00:29:12,093 Speaker 2: of weeks. 488 00:29:12,213 --> 00:29:15,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, I see they've invited what they invite, they're inviting you. 489 00:29:15,693 --> 00:29:18,373 Speaker 3: I hope you're you're going along words, they're putting on 490 00:29:18,413 --> 00:29:22,973 Speaker 3: something to eat mate, you'll be And there's a week 491 00:29:23,013 --> 00:29:26,413 Speaker 3: and a half at Bank's Peninsula too, so if you go. 492 00:29:26,813 --> 00:29:29,653 Speaker 3: So that's fantastic love that you and clear. 493 00:29:31,093 --> 00:29:33,453 Speaker 2: Love right there's a there's a lunch on at the 494 00:29:33,733 --> 00:29:37,653 Speaker 2: Headley Pavilion in so I think I'll fly down to 495 00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:42,253 Speaker 2: christ have to pay. Doesn't say if he has included. 496 00:29:43,693 --> 00:29:45,373 Speaker 4: The look the group. 497 00:29:45,613 --> 00:29:48,533 Speaker 3: It's as far as I can make out the group 498 00:29:48,653 --> 00:29:51,533 Speaker 3: stage that you just mentioned New Zealand. There are five 499 00:29:51,573 --> 00:29:56,573 Speaker 3: in each group. They've got four games New Zealand. The 500 00:29:56,613 --> 00:29:59,853 Speaker 3: top two progress immediately to the Semis. They don't have 501 00:29:59,933 --> 00:30:04,373 Speaker 3: a super sex or whatever phase at all in the 502 00:30:04,413 --> 00:30:10,053 Speaker 3: Women's World Cup, so straight through New Zealand players. You say, 503 00:30:10,093 --> 00:30:15,253 Speaker 3: two games in Dubai and two games in Charger. Those 504 00:30:15,293 --> 00:30:19,533 Speaker 3: are the two venues for the World Cup. Three of 505 00:30:19,573 --> 00:30:22,773 Speaker 3: New Zealand games start at three am I imagine that's 506 00:30:23,373 --> 00:30:29,773 Speaker 3: New Zealand time. And then one game they've got at 507 00:30:29,773 --> 00:30:34,893 Speaker 3: eleven pm. So they've got three night games, in other words, 508 00:30:35,453 --> 00:30:39,333 Speaker 3: and one day game. If I look, if New Zealand 509 00:30:39,413 --> 00:30:42,893 Speaker 3: can't show up and just show something to all of us, 510 00:30:42,933 --> 00:30:46,613 Speaker 3: just a bit new, then you'd have to reading out 511 00:30:46,613 --> 00:30:49,693 Speaker 3: those names. They're playing against wads. You'd have to rate 512 00:30:49,773 --> 00:30:52,733 Speaker 3: their chances. It's a bit slim to get through to 513 00:30:52,773 --> 00:30:56,653 Speaker 3: the Semis, but you'd like to, you'd like to see 514 00:30:56,653 --> 00:31:00,013 Speaker 3: some progress wouldn't you in skill and determination? If you 515 00:31:00,053 --> 00:31:03,693 Speaker 3: look at the way they've folded under pressure in other 516 00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:07,933 Speaker 3: World Cups, remember that one that effort in South Africa. Yes, 517 00:31:08,453 --> 00:31:10,853 Speaker 3: mentally they just got to be a bit more brave. 518 00:31:11,853 --> 00:31:14,293 Speaker 3: You know what sort of people they are. 519 00:31:14,693 --> 00:31:16,973 Speaker 2: The thing is, I think that the top players, the 520 00:31:17,053 --> 00:31:19,333 Speaker 2: leaders in the group, have to really stand up and 521 00:31:19,373 --> 00:31:22,213 Speaker 2: be consistent, don't they. We've got a limited pool to 522 00:31:22,293 --> 00:31:25,613 Speaker 2: choose from, and the top players have got to lead 523 00:31:25,653 --> 00:31:28,493 Speaker 2: the way and show the way throughout this competition. 524 00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:31,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, not be first of all, not be timid or 525 00:31:31,893 --> 00:31:37,053 Speaker 3: frightened or the other thing you tend to do is 526 00:31:37,293 --> 00:31:42,053 Speaker 3: you then become excessively bold or reckless. Those we've got 527 00:31:42,053 --> 00:31:45,773 Speaker 3: to somehow find a middle ground to be a bit 528 00:31:45,813 --> 00:31:51,573 Speaker 3: more thoughtful, very determined and are very calculated kind of play. 529 00:31:51,733 --> 00:31:55,173 Speaker 3: I think with that kind of arrangement you've described, not 530 00:31:55,333 --> 00:31:59,413 Speaker 3: having perhaps the depths that of other sides. My memories 531 00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:03,213 Speaker 3: of the Men's t twenty in the uae AS, the 532 00:32:03,333 --> 00:32:06,013 Speaker 3: day games are very tricky. New Zealand's got one of 533 00:32:06,013 --> 00:32:09,173 Speaker 3: the forward a day game, every side winning the toss 534 00:32:09,173 --> 00:32:12,973 Speaker 3: and the day bold first. Why the pictures were very 535 00:32:13,013 --> 00:32:16,413 Speaker 3: slow and a bit uneven and then at night when 536 00:32:16,453 --> 00:32:20,733 Speaker 3: the dew came down, the ball skiddered on and batting 537 00:32:20,813 --> 00:32:24,293 Speaker 3: became much easier. Ossie won that T twenty World Cup 538 00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:27,693 Speaker 3: if you remember, against Us in the final, and they 539 00:32:27,853 --> 00:32:32,533 Speaker 3: won all their day daytime day game tosses, so that 540 00:32:32,693 --> 00:32:36,053 Speaker 3: really helped. So good luck to them. You know. The 541 00:32:36,053 --> 00:32:39,773 Speaker 3: New Zealand side will no doubt talk about it, but 542 00:32:40,213 --> 00:32:43,733 Speaker 3: it's a tough draw having Ossi and India against us. 543 00:32:45,253 --> 00:32:48,413 Speaker 3: Just hope they show some metal and a bit more skill. 544 00:32:48,813 --> 00:32:51,293 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Waddle and Cody. 545 00:32:52,293 --> 00:32:55,333 Speaker 2: Finally, this week cricket humor has stood the test of time. 546 00:32:55,653 --> 00:32:58,333 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I've heard after dinner speakers in many 547 00:32:58,373 --> 00:33:01,253 Speaker 2: sports that can match the history of the game of cricket. 548 00:33:01,733 --> 00:33:05,693 Speaker 2: This week I've trawled the archives the dusty label shelf, 549 00:33:06,093 --> 00:33:09,253 Speaker 2: as old time radio jocks used to say, and discovered 550 00:33:09,253 --> 00:33:12,293 Speaker 2: a gym from a speech Frank Tyson delivered at a 551 00:33:12,293 --> 00:33:15,493 Speaker 2: testimonial dinner in Auckland many years ago in the company 552 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:19,133 Speaker 2: of Tony Grigg. Tyson started by talking about his views 553 00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:20,973 Speaker 2: on the origins of the game. 554 00:33:21,173 --> 00:33:28,573 Speaker 5: Julius Caesar led the first touring side to England. He 555 00:33:28,653 --> 00:33:34,013 Speaker 5: went through undefeated, notably because the opposition seemed to been 556 00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:35,013 Speaker 5: led by Boudica. 557 00:33:37,893 --> 00:33:39,813 Speaker 4: But he did have a pretty good side, of any 558 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:40,493 Speaker 4: useful side. 559 00:33:40,573 --> 00:33:47,933 Speaker 5: He had Agrippa, a very good slip catcher, Hadrian, the 560 00:33:47,933 --> 00:34:01,133 Speaker 5: famous stonewaller, and he is said that they were playing 561 00:34:01,173 --> 00:34:03,773 Speaker 5: one day against the twelve hundred club, and it just 562 00:34:03,813 --> 00:34:07,813 Speaker 5: shows you how much they were playing lords against the 563 00:34:07,813 --> 00:34:10,053 Speaker 5: twelve hundred club. And it just shows you how traditional 564 00:34:10,093 --> 00:34:12,693 Speaker 5: this cricket is. You know, the twelve hundred Club from 565 00:34:12,693 --> 00:34:14,573 Speaker 5: that to day, that day to this have still not 566 00:34:14,653 --> 00:34:24,853 Speaker 5: updated by name. They're still known as the MCC. And 567 00:34:24,893 --> 00:34:27,173 Speaker 5: there he was. He's around in the middle batting with 568 00:34:27,213 --> 00:34:31,453 Speaker 5: his great friend Marcus Brutus, and Brutus ran him out 569 00:34:34,093 --> 00:34:35,773 Speaker 5: and as he he's going back to pavilion, he termed 570 00:34:35,773 --> 00:34:45,293 Speaker 5: the season. He said it to Brute, which means, I 571 00:34:45,293 --> 00:34:54,813 Speaker 5: only call for a signal, you swine. 572 00:34:57,213 --> 00:34:59,213 Speaker 4: I can see where you have some driving. Thomas's in. 573 00:35:02,773 --> 00:35:05,213 Speaker 5: And so the game went on bread in this spirit 574 00:35:05,293 --> 00:35:09,773 Speaker 5: of sportsmanship. In eighteen eighty two, Australia were playing England 575 00:35:10,493 --> 00:35:14,213 Speaker 5: at the Oval when W. G. Grace was leading England 576 00:35:15,173 --> 00:35:17,853 Speaker 5: and a young batsman by an MSP Jones was batting 577 00:35:17,893 --> 00:35:18,373 Speaker 5: low down in. 578 00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,133 Speaker 4: The order for Australia on a. 579 00:35:20,093 --> 00:35:23,493 Speaker 5: Wet wicket, when a ball kicked up a divot and 580 00:35:23,773 --> 00:35:26,693 Speaker 5: w g was feeling it. Short leg invited him to 581 00:35:26,733 --> 00:35:29,573 Speaker 5: go down the wicket and pat it down, and when 582 00:35:29,573 --> 00:35:38,173 Speaker 5: he did, he ran him out. So the game went on, 583 00:35:38,293 --> 00:35:43,253 Speaker 5: as I said, with this true spirit of sportsmanship, until 584 00:35:43,293 --> 00:35:46,893 Speaker 5: about the eighteen eighties, when a famous all round called W. 585 00:35:46,973 --> 00:35:49,853 Speaker 5: Barnes was playing for England and the captain of Australia 586 00:35:49,893 --> 00:35:53,293 Speaker 5: at that time or was a man by named MacDonald, 587 00:35:53,373 --> 00:35:56,333 Speaker 5: and Barnes, for some unknown reason, took exception to McDonald 588 00:35:56,413 --> 00:35:59,533 Speaker 5: tried to hit him on the nose, and quite understanding 589 00:35:59,653 --> 00:36:04,973 Speaker 5: understandably McDonald ducked, whereupon Barnes hit a brick wall behind him, 590 00:36:05,133 --> 00:36:07,453 Speaker 5: fractured his hand and took no further part in the series, 591 00:36:08,853 --> 00:36:11,173 Speaker 5: which was a tragedy. Had taken five wickets and the 592 00:36:11,173 --> 00:36:14,813 Speaker 5: square one hundred in the previous game. So you see, 593 00:36:15,093 --> 00:36:18,253 Speaker 5: ladies and gentlemen, part of your success is tied up 594 00:36:18,293 --> 00:36:21,293 Speaker 5: with the fact that you produce people with a great 595 00:36:21,333 --> 00:36:26,533 Speaker 5: deal of character and a great deal of determination to 596 00:36:26,653 --> 00:36:35,653 Speaker 5: follow their principles. It's produced people lords like Lord Tennyson, 597 00:36:36,493 --> 00:36:42,853 Speaker 5: Lord Cobham, Governors of Bengal like Jackson. 598 00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:44,173 Speaker 4: It's produced. 599 00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,813 Speaker 5: Other people from other walks of life, like Sammy Carter 600 00:36:47,853 --> 00:36:53,773 Speaker 5: of Australia, who was an undertaker. It's produced pigeon fanciers 601 00:36:54,813 --> 00:37:01,573 Speaker 5: who were opening bats. It's produced all round us who 602 00:37:01,613 --> 00:37:06,373 Speaker 5: were so like statues. But someday once said in the 603 00:37:06,413 --> 00:37:09,893 Speaker 5: outer at Melbourne Boyley, I wish. 604 00:37:09,653 --> 00:37:11,213 Speaker 4: You were a statue and I was a pigeon. 605 00:37:21,813 --> 00:37:27,693 Speaker 5: It's produced a diversity of games situations, such as the 606 00:37:27,693 --> 00:37:30,173 Speaker 5: time in India when Ray Jordan was batting HM. 607 00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:33,053 Speaker 4: And he went into. 608 00:37:32,853 --> 00:37:36,013 Speaker 5: The first ball he received, he played forward to it 609 00:37:36,053 --> 00:37:37,653 Speaker 5: went off his patter and he was caught it short 610 00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:42,893 Speaker 5: leg and the feeling side went up and Nempire said 611 00:37:42,973 --> 00:37:46,173 Speaker 5: that's out. And Ray said, but I didn't hit it, 612 00:37:46,973 --> 00:37:48,493 Speaker 5: and Nampire said, in that case you're out. 613 00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:49,773 Speaker 4: There'll be w mister Jordan. 614 00:38:02,093 --> 00:38:02,373 Speaker 2: I it. 615 00:38:02,493 --> 00:38:07,373 Speaker 5: It has produced characters like Frederick Seward Truman, a great man, 616 00:38:08,453 --> 00:38:10,973 Speaker 5: a person who had a great bowler, and the person 617 00:38:10,973 --> 00:38:12,813 Speaker 5: who had implicit. 618 00:38:12,453 --> 00:38:13,293 Speaker 4: Faith in himself. 619 00:38:14,693 --> 00:38:17,373 Speaker 5: It is said that I don't know how true it is, 620 00:38:17,453 --> 00:38:19,733 Speaker 5: but it's reputed that fred was once stopped for speeding 621 00:38:19,773 --> 00:38:23,893 Speaker 5: by a policeman and the policeman said when he stopped him. 622 00:38:23,613 --> 00:38:24,613 Speaker 4: Mister Truman, ah hah. 623 00:38:25,133 --> 00:38:27,413 Speaker 5: Fred Truman, the English fast bowler, said, mister Truman, you 624 00:38:27,413 --> 00:38:29,333 Speaker 5: were nearly driving as fast as your bowl. 625 00:38:30,173 --> 00:38:31,853 Speaker 4: But Fred looked at his sad nave you wonder the 626 00:38:31,853 --> 00:38:32,733 Speaker 4: bloody won't caught me. 627 00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:46,413 Speaker 5: For instance, I once played against west Hall and everyone 628 00:38:46,493 --> 00:38:49,493 Speaker 5: asked me what my experience of west Hall was, and 629 00:38:49,533 --> 00:38:53,973 Speaker 5: I say, well, he's undoubtedly the fastest bowler I've never faced. 630 00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:56,373 Speaker 5: I was playing at Acrington on one occasion I took 631 00:38:56,373 --> 00:38:58,493 Speaker 5: five wickets and over including the hat trick. 632 00:38:59,173 --> 00:39:00,133 Speaker 4: On my side lost. 633 00:39:02,413 --> 00:39:07,053 Speaker 5: West Hall was on the opposite side, and in that 634 00:39:07,173 --> 00:39:10,253 Speaker 5: afternoon I faced him for two bulls when I was 635 00:39:10,253 --> 00:39:22,373 Speaker 5: out both times, but. 636 00:39:22,373 --> 00:39:27,173 Speaker 4: I I kept on. I don't know why. 637 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:32,933 Speaker 5: When I first played league cricket in Middleton, uh the 638 00:39:33,053 --> 00:39:34,973 Speaker 5: curator of the ground on which I played in the 639 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,973 Speaker 5: Central Ancial League was something of a fatalist. 640 00:39:37,813 --> 00:39:39,493 Speaker 4: Every time I went in, he used to start the 641 00:39:39,533 --> 00:39:48,213 Speaker 4: roller up I I I was playing well. 642 00:39:48,573 --> 00:39:54,973 Speaker 5: On one occasion, I recall very well and instead of 643 00:39:55,013 --> 00:39:58,573 Speaker 5: facing my statutory one ball, I faced three. 644 00:39:58,653 --> 00:39:59,693 Speaker 4: It astonished the crowd. 645 00:40:01,893 --> 00:40:05,733 Speaker 5: The first ball that I got I was hit on 646 00:40:05,773 --> 00:40:09,613 Speaker 5: the pads us the umpire, I said afterwards, when they appealed, 647 00:40:09,613 --> 00:40:11,693 Speaker 5: it would have missed like stump. It would have hit middle, 648 00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:24,413 Speaker 5: but it would have missed leg. The second one I 649 00:40:24,493 --> 00:40:27,973 Speaker 5: edged into the slips and I was dropped. And the 650 00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,773 Speaker 5: third one removed all shadow of doubt from the observers 651 00:40:30,813 --> 00:40:31,853 Speaker 5: to my batting abilloty. 652 00:40:33,053 --> 00:40:34,813 Speaker 4: It removed all three stumps from the ground. 653 00:40:37,493 --> 00:40:39,173 Speaker 5: As I was going off the ground, we had a 654 00:40:39,173 --> 00:40:41,213 Speaker 5: little chap use seats in the front row of the pavilion. 655 00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:44,053 Speaker 4: Used to wear a little choker in the flat hat. 656 00:40:45,293 --> 00:40:46,853 Speaker 4: And then looked at me and he said, by gum. 657 00:40:46,893 --> 00:40:48,853 Speaker 4: Frankie said, you were looking to make a book. 658 00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:06,653 Speaker 2: Wonderful stories from the late Frank Tyson. I mean, we're 659 00:41:07,653 --> 00:41:12,333 Speaker 2: guys Auckland about forty odd years ago, so a lot 660 00:41:12,333 --> 00:41:13,893 Speaker 2: of fun. He was a He was a lovely guy, 661 00:41:13,933 --> 00:41:17,293 Speaker 2: Frank Tyson. Although he was a fearsome man. Wasn't he 662 00:41:17,453 --> 00:41:18,773 Speaker 2: the pace that he could bowl at? 663 00:41:19,453 --> 00:41:22,693 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, he was very quick, very quick, And I 664 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,253 Speaker 3: thought he's an intelligent man, as you can tell from 665 00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:27,893 Speaker 3: that that speech too. I mean, where did where on 666 00:41:27,933 --> 00:41:30,413 Speaker 3: earth did you find it? 667 00:41:30,413 --> 00:41:34,573 Speaker 2: It's off the dusty label shelf, hidden in. 668 00:41:34,533 --> 00:41:38,373 Speaker 3: The Okay right, Yeah, well there's no speech. 669 00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,333 Speaker 2: No, I've got I've got some more of that. We'll 670 00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:44,413 Speaker 2: plan on another occasion. So yeah, a lot of fun 671 00:41:44,773 --> 00:41:46,413 Speaker 2: going to talk to you, Jerry. Next week we'll be 672 00:41:46,453 --> 00:41:48,973 Speaker 2: previewing the Test match against Afghanistan. 673 00:41:49,733 --> 00:41:50,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be fun. 674 00:41:51,013 --> 00:41:56,573 Speaker 2: Sure. Well, my cheer, John Us. Thanks Jerry, Jerio Summer. 675 00:42:03,373 --> 00:42:06,013 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks, a'd be listen live on 676 00:42:06,133 --> 00:42:09,093 Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever 677 00:42:09,133 --> 00:42:11,693 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio