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Speaker 1: So a push to make our universities more elite has

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Speaker 1: been shot down. The government's rejected tougher entry rules and

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Speaker 1: limits on who can hand out masters or doctorates. It's

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Speaker 1: accepted just twenty three of sixty three recommendations from a

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Speaker 1: report from the University Advisory Group led by Peter Gluckman.

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Speaker 1: So to talk about this, let's talk to an educator.

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Speaker 1: Grant Edwards is the vice chancellor of Lincoln University and

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Speaker 1: the university's New Zealand Chair and joins me this morning.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your Grant, Good morning Andrew. Do you

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Speaker 1: think we need more limits on who can hand out

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Speaker 1: our top academic qualifications?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think we need further limits. Universities are

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Speaker 2: the tertiary institutions that do research led teaching in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and so believe that research only masters and research PSDs

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Speaker 2: should be awarded in universities.

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Speaker 1: But it's also those other universities that hand out all

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Speaker 1: sorts of masters and all sorts of other things that

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Speaker 1: makes the people make the accusation that we've been dumbing

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Speaker 1: down out to sector.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's In terms of the higher degrees in

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Speaker 2: the postgraduate space, we have a range of taught masters

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Speaker 2: in particular and postgraduate qualifications. I think there I don't

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Speaker 2: think there's any indication that those other institutes are actually

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Speaker 2: dumbing down in handing out those particular qualifications. As particular

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Speaker 2: interest here is in research masters and research PhDs, which

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Speaker 2: with universities being research led, there's important place that they're

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Speaker 2: awarded in universities.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well that was that was my next question. Should

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Speaker 1: universities be the only ones that can award masters and PhDs?

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Speaker 2: I think, as I indicated to you, the in particular

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Speaker 2: research masters and PhDs should be in general awarded by

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Speaker 2: the universities in New Zealand. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I heard Sandra Gray on our news this morning at

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Speaker 1: five am saying the real problem for our tertiary sector

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Speaker 1: is the funding model. Would you agree?

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Speaker 2: In terms of the funding model, there are many funding

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Speaker 2: systems around the world, and most end up with some

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Speaker 2: form of a private government funding contributions similar to us.

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Speaker 2: We can always look at our funding system and how

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Speaker 2: funding is distributed and how it's both education and research

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Speaker 2: funding is directed towards qualifications particular disciplines. However, present probably

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Speaker 2: a long slow reduction in funding in real terms is

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Speaker 2: acting against the long term needs of the country and

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Speaker 2: probably just simply making changes in how we manage a

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Speaker 2: diminishing pool of funding won't serve universities all the country

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Speaker 2: well in the longer term.

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Speaker 1: All right, Gret Edwards, I thank you so much time

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Speaker 1: grants the vice Chances of Lincoln University and from Universities

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