1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: The Wellington Water shambles got another airing yesterday and one 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: of the outcomes of the meeting was another meeting. There 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: was some expectation that the chair would quit. That didn't happen. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: The Wellington Water CEO pa do pat Dockerty as with us. 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Pat morning, Mike. So you came out all guns blazing 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: for Nick Leggart. He doesn't deserve to go. Do you 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: think ultimately he will go or not? 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 2: Look, at the end of the day, that's a decision 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: for the shareholders, but I'm hoping not. Why not? Look, 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 2: he's made a huge contribution to the change and culture 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: of the organization. People have been reluctant to speak up. 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: Nick has been the visible champion of one of the 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: visible champions of that within the organization, and that would 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 2: send a very bad message of the first time we 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: put a hand up and say look, we've made a 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: mistake and we're fixing it, that the person at the 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: head pays the price. That would just set us back again. 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: For everyone around the country hasn't followed this intricately. How 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: many of you guys are Newish and therefore it's kind 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: of not your fault, and how many of you are 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: still there, and I'm talking about the execus he up 22 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: as well as the board. How many of you still 23 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: there that should be held responsible. 24 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: At the executive level. There's I think three out of 25 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: eight sort of long serving that are still there on 26 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: the border. I don't think there's been anyone there longer 27 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: than three years. 28 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Right, So what you would argue is we're new, we're fresh, 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: we know what we're doing, We've got it under control. 30 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: Just let us try and get on with it. 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: Exactly. We're the ones turning over the stones and fixing this. 32 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: What we're trying to do is sorry, mine, is it fixable? Oh? Yes? Look, 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,639 Speaker 2: there's been a culture of growing our ability to deliver 34 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: work and a culture of trusting our consultants and contractors, 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: and I believe in a're more having a bit more 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: tension on that relationship holding people to account. Now, it's 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: easily fixed and the staff are kin to make the changes. 38 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: So you're what you're looking to do is simply put 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: that argument across and maybe hose a few counselors down, 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: who I am assuming want heads to roll for political 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,639 Speaker 1: purposes so they can say, look, got a scalp. 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Some of them are supportive, some of them are very 43 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: angry and they've got every reason to be. All I 44 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: was trying to do was present the other side of 45 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: the argument so that they have time to think about 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 2: that before Friday. 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister's comments last week post cabinet that this 48 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: whole organization isn't set up properly, is he right? 49 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, Look that the solution for Wellington's water network 50 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: is a stands alone company that can raise its own 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: send out its own invoices and borrow its own money 52 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: and start pouring some money into replacing aging infrastructure. So 53 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 2: that is the absolute solution, and that's what we're trying 54 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: to do, is fix this company so it can be 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: the basis of a new organization which is supposed to 56 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: start on one July twenty sixth. We don't want the 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: performance of this Wellington water to be an impediment to 58 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: getting the right structure in place. So the promnise has. 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: Bang on what happens on Friday. 60 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: At the meeting, we'll be revisiting there's value for money. 61 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: I expect that really be in the chairs hands and 62 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: having another discussion about it. But they've now had the 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: report for a few days, they've heard our start of 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: the story and I look forward to the debate. 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: All Right, we'll probably get you back on talk about it. 66 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Pat Dockety, Wellington Water CEO. Nothing like meetings, Hey, 67 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: don't we all love meetings. For more from the Mic 68 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd be from 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.