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Speaker 1: Girl Berson. It is the ninth of August, in the

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Speaker 1: Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. Welcome all you

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Speaker 1: bespokey donkies to the Daily Bespoke Podcast. And we've got

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Speaker 1: a big one today. We've got my friend, friend of

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Speaker 1: the show, Friend of Me, and Timpson. He's coming in

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Speaker 1: in a little bit. He's a film director. His new film, Bookworm,

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Speaker 1: premiered as the opening film of the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: Fantasy International Film Festival. My film The Devil Dare Me

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Speaker 1: to open there as well, and actually has opened in Austin, Texas,

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Speaker 1: but then played at the Fantasy International Film Festival. And

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Speaker 1: Timpson was the producer of the film The Devil dem

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Speaker 1: Me two. He's since then gone on to make movies

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Speaker 1: such as he produced The Greasy Strangler. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: know that with Elijah Wood. Ah. He's done a bunch

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Speaker 1: of bunch of stuff. He runs the He started the

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Speaker 1: the twenty forty eight Our Film Competition.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was him. Yeah that I got my first

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Speaker 2: mooch on the forty oh Our Film Festival.

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Speaker 1: Did you so?

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Speaker 2: I got to thank for that person?

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Speaker 1: Well, you were shooting one, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of considered a bit of I mean

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Speaker 2: it's where the nerds would kind of hook up, because

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Speaker 2: you know, the media said his class would do one

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Speaker 2: all together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Hey.

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Speaker 2: In regards to these film festivals, I've always wondered this.

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Speaker 2: I've never been to one. Yeah, what is the How

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Speaker 2: does the film festival work?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Do they literally just play movies and people just sit

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Speaker 2: there and watch them?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 1: And then but also they'll fly over directors and producers

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Speaker 1: and actors to introduce some films. So when my movie

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Speaker 1: The Devil Demy two came out, we traveled all around

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Speaker 1: the world wow, doing and introducing the film and then

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Speaker 1: doing questian and answers afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Oh classics. So you'd have to sit? Did you end

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Speaker 2: up sitting through the difficult in me too? What?

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Speaker 1: Over a dozen times?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I actually wrote about it in my book. I was

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Speaker 1: in Germany at one point and a film played and

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Speaker 1: I'd watched it so many times. So it started, we

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Speaker 1: strong German beer, and then I started bowing my own

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Speaker 1: film before it started. I was like, this iscking shot.

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Speaker 1: And then the security came over and said they tried

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Speaker 1: to remove me and my friend Chris, who was there

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Speaker 1: also made the film with and and they were like,

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Speaker 1: the FIST was like, well, we can't really throw them

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Speaker 1: out because they're the producer and director and stars of

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Speaker 2: So what did you do? They just say, okay, put

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Speaker 1: They moved us out to the bar, and then they

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Speaker 1: to book them the next night in Berlin and where

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Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, it went really well in Germany and

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Speaker 1: So we travel around to a lot of different little places.

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Speaker 2: Spain, what's the What's what's the Germans into humor, Like,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because the film played over there in Germany.

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Speaker 2: Like over dubbed or something like that. You heard people

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Speaker 1: It's on on Amazon Prime at the moment, and we've

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Speaker 2: So he made the phone calls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how does it work with something like that?

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Speaker 2: So a film that was made how many years ago.

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Speaker 2: that movie was made. How does it work now if

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Speaker 2: someone's looking to stream your film? What kind of deals

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Speaker 1: I don't know not.

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, this is old.

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, is that my copy? G Lane's just come

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Speaker 1: in with my copy of the Alternative Commentary Collective Almanac

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Speaker 1: by Matt Heath, Mike Lane and Matt Heath. What a

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Speaker 1: beautiful book.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is going to turn into the book

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Speaker 2: special or the media. It's pluck up behind the microphone there,

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Speaker 2: g Lane, we do it.

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Speaker 1: We're going an interview coming through, but we might as

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Speaker 1: well talk about this before Antimson comes on.

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Speaker 3: It's so hot off that that is hot off the god,

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Speaker 3: its smells good.

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Speaker 4: It smells so great as it can smell it from here.

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Speaker 4: It's coming out and mid October it is three hundred

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Speaker 4: pages of our worst stories.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a beautiful second book for me

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Speaker 1: in a year's shit. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 4: So basically it documents from the start teen years ago

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Speaker 1: And would you sign that for me?

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Speaker 2: Of course I would, No, CNB please, I mean this

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Speaker 2: is amazing, It's what I mean it's the table book.

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Speaker 2: I'm signed by one of the authors, Ju Lane, sign

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Speaker 2: this and get out. You've got someone else coming through now, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're got to move on. How that's something else to

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Speaker 2: sell as well. It's a it's a great book.

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Speaker 1: So it's a hard cover almanac with all the stories

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Speaker 3: It's some incriminating shit in there.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. I mean, when this drops it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: It's a great because you can follow out the cancelation.

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Speaker 4: You can pick it up at any any point because

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Speaker 4: it just covers years. It's got our top ten crimes.

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Speaker 4: This haremented a lot of crimes.

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Speaker 2: What a great coffee table book? Where you get in

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Speaker 2: the next week? Do you Lane actually a proper chat

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Speaker 2: about this?

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Speaker 1: I think you get terrible lovers, that's a fact.

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Speaker 4: It's one of the great It's going to be the

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Speaker 4: perfect present for the hard to buy and coming out Christmas.

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Speaker 1: So you can pre order it now if you like

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Speaker 1: it smells good.

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Speaker 3: Jump on the mind, man.

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Speaker 1: It's a thing of beauty, so much in the air,

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Speaker 1: and it's actually got some of our best most important

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Speaker 1: moments of commentary written out, you know, and and reading

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Speaker 4: In the transcripts.

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Speaker 4: I was looking at oral The oral history is in

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Speaker 4: nex level as well. It's everyone's their versions of what happened.

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Speaker 1: Jeu. Look you're there. You look like bloody Russell Crowe

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Speaker 1: or something. In that picture is a bit of there.

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Speaker 3: Was shopping going on.

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Speaker 1: It's got the complete rundown of the humiliation run out

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Speaker 1: of Jason Hort.

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Speaker 3: It's great, all right.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, bring bring, bring, bring director and

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Speaker 1: Timson in.

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Speaker 3: Usually I would have dropped my foot in it straight away.

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Speaker 1: It was actually pretty good for you. Before you came in,

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Speaker 1: So me and and Timson celebrated our film The Devil

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Speaker 1: I just felt like such an asshole. They was scrubbing.

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Speaker 1: There was five cleaners in the room scrubbing off the wall.

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Speaker 3: They thought there'd been a murder crime scene.

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Speaker 1: And then my fifty pound note was just sitting there,

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Speaker 1: like the most asshole move if you just dropped a

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Speaker 1: My padaems for on the Devil tim Me Too tour.

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Speaker 1: But you've made a number of films since then, produced

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Speaker 1: Change the pace departure from Come to Daddy.

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Speaker 3: of cool for those parents the same age as me

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00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 3: who were like, it's just there hasn't been anything that

443
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,760
Speaker 3: they can take to where they don't feel like they're

444
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 3: being pat the kids patronized to or preached.

445
00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 1: But that's something that people don't understand about kids. Kids.

446
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,639
Speaker 1: The things that kids love and the things that have

447
00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,119
Speaker 1: been the biggest success with kids are a little bit scary.

448
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 1: There has to be another edge to it. Absolutely that

449
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,480
Speaker 1: the G film is made for the adult, you know,

450
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 1: but that's not what kids will always want to be

451
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 1: on the edge of edge of water.

452
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,919
Speaker 3: And most of the adult films that suck up the

453
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,400
Speaker 3: oxygen or for arrested adults anyway, who are like these

454
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 3: manchild children who like buy toys and stuff at fifty

455
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 3: years old, like, so it feels like there is a

456
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 3: there's a huge gap where you can sort of play

457
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 3: in their areas. So yeah, no, I feel like, I mean,

458
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit older than you, map, but those

459
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,120
Speaker 3: are the films I grew up with that had those

460
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 3: moments that freaked me out as as a little kid,

461
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: and they burned into my brain. And I still remember

462
00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,479
Speaker 3: those films like really finally, and I remember having these

463
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 3: arguments when we're making this thing. It's like some there

464
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 3: was some outside noise saying, you know this, you got

465
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: to pull it back. It's too you know, too much,

466
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 3: it's you know, we've got to go for that, got

467
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 3: to go for that PG rating, and everything was hinging

468
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 3: on that, and I was just like, you got to

469
00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: let kids like you can't just cotton will them. That's

470
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,160
Speaker 3: the whole point of the film is like, don't cotton

471
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: wool kids up. Let them go explore, have their own adventures,

472
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 3: maybe get a little bit of scraped here and there. Yeah,

473
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 3: it's just part of growing up, man, You got to

474
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 3: have it.

475
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's interesting because when I think about kids

476
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 1: that I like films that I really like, you take

477
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: Gremlins for example, right, I mean, what was the rating

478
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 1: of that when it came out?

479
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:35,879
Speaker 3: I think it was the same thing as a PG,

480
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:36,159
Speaker 3: was it?

481
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: Because that is a freaking full on film and that's

482
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 1: why people love it.

483
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 3: You've got you've got firstiv All, You've got there's Santa

484
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 3: story being ruined, like dying like alive in a chimney,

485
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: and then you've got like really horrific things of thinging blended. Yeah,

486
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 3: the Gremlins and but Jaws was PG when I was

487
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: a kid. Wow, you know that was a PG movie.

488
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 3: So like there was a whole series of films that

489
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 3: were tough that were PG. So this is kind of like, yeah,

490
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 3: an ode that type of film.

491
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is an interesting idea, isn't it?

492
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: Because there is another one that I just thought of

493
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: as well that was also scary.

494
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 3: I think that can be freaky. Yeah, yeah, they always.

495
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 1: Freaking your your baby brother will be mine. It was freaky.

496
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 3: It was in his tights, yea was that was the

497
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 3: never ending story for a generation, that horse drowning or whatever.

498
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 3: It is like a massive moment for kids.

499
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: Great chain never randing star is that guy begins with

500
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: k Kamal Kamal. Yeah, probably the biggest Kamali ever had. Yeah,

501
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: And so like yeah, you this is your you get

502
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: this idea, I'm going to make this this PG film

503
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: and and and sort of and you know, well, no.

504
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: Actually we just came up with the idea of like

505
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: Toby and Either Rider, we just wanted a film sit

506
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: in wilderness. We wanted to masculate Elijah again. So it

507
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 3: was kind of like our biggest fears parents are like

508
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 3: shitting the beard in front of them, Like that was

509
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 3: our singular fears, Like, can we make a movie based

510
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 3: on that fear, which is like not stepping up in

511
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 3: the time of crisis in front of your kids. Yeah,

512
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: the singular moment is like looking at your kids and

513
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: when the ship hits the fan, looking at your kids

514
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 3: and then seeing fear in your eyes. That was which

515
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 3: happened to me on this weird little vaca that we

516
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 3: did on Rackino Island with the family. That's and heally,

517
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 3: you know, and he was like, oh, yeah, you can

518
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: just walk around the tip of the island at low

519
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: tides really easy. Yeah, it's beautiful, beautiful. So we started off,

520
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 3: we got maybe the timing a little bit wrong, and

521
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 3: so the water started coming in and the kids were

522
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 3: quite young at the stage, and we were carrying backpacks

523
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: and all the stuff, and and I was like, oh,

524
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 3: this is getting quite tough. And then there's like, oh,

525
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 3: we're running out of land. What do we do? We

526
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 3: can't climb up. It's a vertical cliff. See started coming up,

527
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 3: started coming up to our chests. Like the kids were like,

528
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: oh dude, okay, I keep holding on. It's like holy smoke.

529
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 3: So I went for a moment. This is the moment, man,

530
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 3: And I was like, and I was just like, I

531
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 3: wasn't their hero from those movies. Man, I was like

532
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 3: freaking out. I had to do like an emergency call

533
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 3: out to get to get rescued because it was like

534
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: and there were scraped up, there was blood everywhere, and

535
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: it was yeah, dude, it was horrible.

536
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: It's funny. I've always had this nightmare that something goes

537
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: down and I step up for my kids and I

538
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: get that ship beaten out of me, like on the

539
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: street when my kids are watching. Yeah, and then you'd

540
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: I know it's been in my head in my hole.

541
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: I think, kid, it's a big male insecurity. Man.

542
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned driving home and you've been beaten up. Your

543
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: kids have been crying as they see your ass being

544
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: handed to you, and you're driving home and there in

545
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: the back seat going, dad's a puss.

546
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't even look at him in thee what's

547
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 3: he going to do? So yeah, hopefully they've got over that.

548
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 3: Maybe this film is a way to bridge down.

549
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I had some other thing when I was in Fiji

550
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: and I took my two kids out in the kayak

551
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: and it was it was the resort kayak, but it

552
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: had a hole in it, so we were miles out

553
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: at seat and then the kayak just sunk, It just went,

554
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: It was down, and we were left with a paddle

555
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: and two kids. And at that point they were three

556
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: and five, and I was I was going, I fucking

557
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: hated myself for doing it because I've been all brava, Bravardo,

558
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: take the kids out, and then I was left holding

559
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 1: them in the water and I was on my back

560
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: doing that.

561
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: And you need your arms right usually to keep above water.

562
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: Yes, like doing that weird thing on my back, kicking

563
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: to try and bring them in there, going man, daddy, daddy,

564
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: you know jackets they had life jackets on. I did it, Yeah,

565
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was that they survived. Yeah, that Yeah,

566
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was at the point thinking, holy shit,

567
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm that fucking idiot that's.

568
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 3: Drowned as kids headline in the Herald.

569
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking more on at the Hilton Resort dinner old kids.

570
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean that's that dude. That's I think

571
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: that's a fair of orbit is like, yeah, we just yeah,

572
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it's it's scary. So the film

573
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: came from that, that fair.

574
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the film's made from a moment. Ah, that's

575
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: that those those emotional moments say, it's a it's something

576
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: that people can obviously relate to.

577
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 3: Well, you know how long they take a long time

578
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: to make right, So you have to have a personal

579
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: connection otherwise you'll just get if you're just doing it

580
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 3: for a work for hire or gig, I can't imagine

581
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: doing it now. Like that's hard, man, Like you have

582
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: to there has to be You've got to find something

583
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 3: that the reason why you're doing this.

584
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always think of this thing that

585
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: George Clooney said once, and he goes, you can have

586
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: the best script, the best director, the best actors and

587
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: still make a terrible movie because it's so freaking hard

588
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: to make a movie, the biggest budget, all those kind

589
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: of things. Making a film is I mean, I've only

590
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: made one and and and that's it's freaking It's just

591
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: such an intense amount of work and then it then

592
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 1: it's got to be finished, the post all of it.

593
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, how long is the whole process

594
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: for this fear with book whim It's like.

595
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 3: I mean, the the actual making is like a year probably,

596
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 3: you know, like and then and then it's the whole

597
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: script and how long all that stuff takes. And then

598
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: it's like raising the money and that side of it.

599
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 3: So and then the release and then you've got to

600
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: follow it through. And yeah, it's a.

601
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: Huge getting the amount of time getting it into theaters.

602
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: I think until people go through, I have an understanding

603
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 3: of it now. Just you can never understand like the

604
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 3: prota think, how that's crazy, why do you go spend

605
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: with their line on it? But it's yeah, it's just

606
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 3: pains taking lead slow is there?

607
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Because I was actually just talking about this the other

608
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: day about how there used to be a DVD market

609
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: so you can make a film and if it went

610
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: well in the cinemas, that's great, but otherwise it could

611
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: have a whole life on DVD. Has that come back

612
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: at all with the streamers? Is there is there another

613
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: long lot.

614
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: For a while when they first came, when the streaming

615
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: market was massive and the money was really good. Now no, no, no,

616
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 3: it's the Hollywood's eating snakes in its tail, and it's

617
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: the whole industry is in the toilet. So it's it's

618
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 3: a terrible time. Everyone's saying it's the worst. It's it's

619
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: ever ever been, and no one knows where there's no

620
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: sort of like light at the end of control.

621
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, this is question, and there's probably an

622
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: obvious answer to it, right, But why is Hollywood making

623
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: one two hundred million dollar film instead of ten twenty

624
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: ten million dollar films.

625
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: It's this. It's the same reason why I look at Borderlands.

626
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: This new thing is just open and everyone's it's got

627
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: zero percent on Tomorrow's what it was like. It's being

628
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: torn apart.

629
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: And they made by a guy that made a terrible

630
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: adoption of a video game just before that?

631
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: Oh did he?

632
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: Ye?

633
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: Didn't he make Uncharted as well?

634
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: No? No, this is elo Roth he did. Yeah.

635
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: Sorry, now I'm thinking of a totally different thing, of

636
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: a different video game I'm thinking.

637
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean there's a lot of them, right,

638
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: So that's that's why they do these things. It's like

639
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: the IP has got in Hollywood, so they realize that

640
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 3: there's a built in base that's going. So it's all

641
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: risk management. So these everything, of these massive budgets, it's

642
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: all been planned out. The only thing that they can't

643
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: predict is how good the film's going to be at

644
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: the end of it, right, yes, and so and now

645
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: things are instantaneous. You don't have times for films to

646
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: find their audience or build. It's like you have one

647
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 3: shot and it's like it's craps, it's rolling dice aid

648
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: Vegas man. That's that's kind of how it is. And

649
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: so they just feel more comfortable in these secure projects

650
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: that they own the IP because of it, they can

651
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 3: spin out all these ancillaries, they can make merch up

652
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 3: the wazoo fast food time. There's just an inbuilt sort

653
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: of big infrastructure around these things when they work, and

654
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: they to them that feels less risky spending two hundred

655
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: million than spending twenty at ten. Right, But look, there's

656
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: been such a big shake up now that I think

657
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: that kind of logic is starne to creep back in

658
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 3: and when you have films that sort of break out,

659
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: Like there's a recent horror film called Long Legs, which was, oh, yes,

660
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 3: super low budget. These guys, I know, Neon released it.

661
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 3: They did a phenomenal marketing campaign. It's you know, it's

662
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: blown away, furiosa, it's taken, it's done more money than

663
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: Furious saw that the other day. Yeah, yeah, which was

664
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: you've got to.

665
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: Say, bold make a Mad Max film without Mad Max

666
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: in it?

667
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: Just it was weird. Nothing made sense to that film.

668
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: It's a huge decision.

669
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, Male's still around, bring them out,

670
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: to bring them out, but yeah, no, so look they

671
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: just it seems easy. But you know, there's a lot

672
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: of smart people, and it's easy to say, ah, these

673
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: guys are idiots and they don't know what they're doing,

674
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: but they do know what they're doing. It's just like,

675
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: I feel like the landscape is changing so quickly all

676
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: the time, and most of the time we're playing catch ups.

677
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: You know, the streaming was going to be the answer

678
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: to solve all the problems of the industry, and it

679
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: was for a while everyone made boatloads of money, everyone

680
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: was happy, and then there's now there's a crash and

681
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: everyone's pulling out and the investment that used to be

682
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 3: in there, they're all gone to TI tech again or

683
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: property or whatever is working, but they're not investing in

684
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: film as much as they were.

685
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: So yah, it's tough, but I guess you know, so

686
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: like the Blomhouse model kind of works, doesn't it.

687
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: So you know it works, but you never hear about

688
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: the ones that don't work. So there's a lot of

689
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: there's a lot of dead skeletons in the closet for

690
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: all these companies, right, they spend so much money on

691
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: things that you never hear about or never come to

692
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: the light of day. And they're very smart. They picked

693
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: the you know, they'll back the ones that work and

694
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: then they'll go for it. But yeah, that's a very

695
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean that model of like keeping it low, give

696
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: back into the some of the casts of their names,

697
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's it's a smart one. It's worked really

698
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: well for them, but it's also others have sort of

699
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: imitated it, and now there's like it's yeah, it's not

700
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: so special anymore.

701
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Not so special? What kind of director are you Are

702
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: you an actor's director or you are you a vision director.

703
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 3: I think my strength is that I have a really

704
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: clear idea of the type of film I'm going to make,

705
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: in the tone of it, and that kind of the

706
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: knowledge of the genre, the knowledge of, yeah, the type

707
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: of film it's going to be, in the audience that

708
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: will like it, whether it's you know, a niche or

709
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: a wide one. I've got a good, good sense, and

710
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: it kind of like everything connects to that.

711
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: You're kind of You're kind of like herkle Proo. He

712
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: knows what's wrong in the balance of things. He's like this,

713
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't know why the crime, but he knows that

714
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: something's not equal. So you go, something's wrong within the

715
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: genre if that happens.

716
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also it's got to be something that you like.

717
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: You know, at the end of the day, it's like,

718
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 3: I can't imagine anything worse than you. You just make

719
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: something that it's not even you. Yeah. But also you know,

720
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: I think all those directors who were actors or study

721
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: acting and understand other really good ones, I wish I

722
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: had that background of like either taking acting lessons classes

723
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: or understand that because that language of being able to

724
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: speak to actors is a very specialized skill. Yeah, you

725
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: can sort of you can sort of fumble through like

726
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I do, and you know, just be myself and say

727
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: this is what I'm trying to yeah and stuff. But

728
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: the really great ones. So that's why there's so many

729
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: great actors who have switched to directing. Yeah, there's a

730
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: really good There's not many the other way. Yeah, So

731
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: it's yeah, if anything, that's you know what I'm going

732
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: to focus on. If I get another shots, it's like, yeah, yeah,

733
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: drilling down on that because we got really lucky, you know,

734
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: working with people like Elijah they just y, they come

735
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: fully prepped. You know, we talk about the character, he

736
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: gets it straight away. And then someone like now Fisher

737
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: who's just like a you know, a star on the

738
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: Rise of Sponge and just just brought so much confidence

739
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: to it. She was that character. So that, yeah, it

740
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: made my life so much easier.

741
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. So to go back to a film

742
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: that you and me worked on that you executive produced,

743
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: Devil Dear Me Too. Yeah, the director of that film

744
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: fucking hated actors. So his opening line is I fucking

745
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: hate actors, which you can some of the acting from

746
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: that movie is representative of that attitude. But it's kind

747
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: of a it's a sort of an interesting way, and

748
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: I remember coming up, I guess we're kind of like

749
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: that thinking about it. But actors are the film you know,

750
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: like if you get someone, I mean this movies, that

751
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: would be an absolute disaster if an actor hadn't stepped

752
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: up and brought you know, and you can't even tell

753
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: now you know, everyone's a genius if someone does an

754
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: incredible performance. But but yeah.

755
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: It's the it's the ones who commit when even though

756
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: some they might get a sense of materials not up

757
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: to par, but they fully commit and then they they're

758
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 3: the ones who stand out in a mediocre film. It's

759
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: like everone will be like no other films, but that

760
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that that actor was incredible.

761
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: You can get performances are too good, like we have.

762
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: You know, Philip Seymour Hoffman could from time to time

763
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: peer in a film and just be too good, and

764
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: as a result, the main actors were starting to look average.

765
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: Well, I love I love all those character actors, not

766
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: not that he was, I mean, but like those ones

767
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: who steal scenes like there's just there's a there's a

768
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: whole posse of these amazing guys who have been working

769
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 3: for thirty years or so that can can come into

770
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: any scene and just take it from the A lister

771
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: to just eat their lunch. And you want those guys

772
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: man in your films. You know, That's why I went

773
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: to like in book, when we've got great people like

774
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: Millan Beard, you know, yeah, yeah, you just you know

775
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: is going to be delivered.

776
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean so much fun his one line and Megan

777
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: just was just a sensation.

778
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: About the ear.

779
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the movie watching?

780
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: It was? I was Black Adam, that rough DC movie

781
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: and PRIs Bros And Rocks off.

782
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: At one point, there's an ample of Pears wasn't being

783
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: too good for the movie. You've got the Rock who

784
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: basically can't act and is sort of floating around looks

785
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: fucking mupp it. And then you've got Pierce Bronson, who's

786
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: not the greatest actor in the world, but he's just

787
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: so much better than everyone else in the film that

788
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: it's like one of the wheels is wabbling the whole film.

789
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean that that that film was a disaster.

790
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean just remember when it was like, you know,

791
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: suddenly it was Kenneth Branagg was getting involved in like

792
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: four movies and stuff and bringing all this shakespeare in

793
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: quality to it, or.

794
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins as well.

795
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I never saw Black Adam,

796
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: but you don't. I don't think.

797
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if even the Rock was on that film.

798
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: He seemed to be floating around. He was never on

799
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: the ground. I think he was sort of just.

800
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 3: He's probably in the background arguing about it.

801
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on the Rock. I've got the

802
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: story about it. He squandered the opportunity every you know,

803
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: actors like Arnold Schwarznigrin's time and sylvest Alone, they tried

804
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: to push things and make make movies that were worth

805
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: while in amongst what they were doing, you know. And

806
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: obviously Silver Sister Sloan wrote Rocky and stuff, so he

807
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: was more of a filmmaker. But The Rock has never

808
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: attempted to make it.

809
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: I've got to pull you up he because he's doing

810
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: this one called The Smashing Machine, which is based on

811
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: Mark Kerr, the UFC fighter. That story is Andreile just

812
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: could be his wrestler, right, So, yeah, I agree with you.

813
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: He's he's really coasted on charm and done really safe.

814
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: I mean rampage. I mean, come on, he's done really

815
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: those just like you know, focus on the box office,

816
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: focus on success, which is fine that he's a star,

817
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: you got to do that. But yeah, he hasn't taken

818
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: those risks that Will call Will Smith took risks? You know, absolutely? Yeah, yeah,

819
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: I do. I love that film of Smith's even what

820
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: the hell was it? The one where he's a dad

821
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: trying to support his curd.

822
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the pursuit of happiness.

823
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, that kills me, that film.

824
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe he's got he had more chops

825
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: and maybe that you know, as tough as the rock

826
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: as it's funny thing for us to be getting laying

827
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: into here. You know, he's a gym guy. Not that

828
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: Arnie wasn't, but but maybe that is. It takes a

829
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: lot to go I'm going to actually try and freaking

830
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: act in a film.

831
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean you don't get much time to

832
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: train when you i mean on the acting, when you're

833
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: doing eight hours of the day of the gas.

834
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: Also, I'm pretty sure he's royed it up. There's a

835
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: particular vein that's going right down the side of his

836
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: face that he never seems to turn to the camera

837
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: for but I love the rock forever. I thought he

838
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: was great. You know, I was a big wrestling fan,

839
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and then for some reason, I've just it just struck

840
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: me when you.

841
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Think about the Logan Paul Here regime. Yeah, w W.

842
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm not a fan really yeah. Yeah, but everyone's

843
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: trying to sort of fight for relevance, even even the

844
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: biggest friend, all the biggest things like wrestling. Now, yeahs

845
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: lasted as long as as long as he did. Yeah,

846
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: so what does it mean now? So the movie's out

847
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: and then and what's the rollout like for you?

848
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: So we're rolling out now, it's out this weekend nationwide. Yeah,

849
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: they've gone all in. So New Zealand's kind of done. Really,

850
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: and now we go to I go to myth Melbourne

851
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Film Fest and we do a little bit of hoopla

852
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 3: over there, and yeah, see how it goes there. And

853
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: then it's already pre sold to you know, it's got

854
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: a US release in October and in Canada and then

855
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: the UK and France, Russia. I mean, it's yeah, it's done,

856
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: it's got it's going out everywhere. But yeah, theatrically, who knows,

857
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's so hard to get these theatrical dates

858
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: in these other countries. Yeah, yeah, but I just wanted

859
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: to work here because it's made it was made for

860
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: Kiwis and so, and it's.

861
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: And it's based on a you know, a tale that

862
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: I know in commercial radio. We've talked about a lot. Absolutely,

863
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: we've been we've talked about that a lot.

864
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: We had some great encounters with people who eyewitness accounts

865
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 3: down there. It was really juiced up the production when

866
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: you meet these guys.

867
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've probably interviewed a few of them.

868
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: Ye yeah, yeah, these ones. Know, these guys were I mean,

869
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: I know there's a some who have done all the

870
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: media and stuff, but these these were they didn't want

871
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: to be named. They were very Yeah, there's quiet locals.

872
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: But then I saw some shot people had some photos

873
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: of the ones they had shot, and they were big

874
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: fearers man monsters. Yeah. So I'm a believer.

875
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a believer.

876
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

877
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: I mean making greats as well, these reviews that I'm

878
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: just looking at here, you.

879
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: Must yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah they are.

880
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: Is it a scary time is it for a director

881
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: of a film to this time time?

882
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: Right now? Yeah? I mean it's all I mean, yeah,

883
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: look you. The reviews are great, but it's at the

884
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 3: end of the day, it's the audiences of the counts,

885
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 3: you know. So you can have a film that isn't

886
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: a critical smash, but the audiences love it, and then

887
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: vice versa and everything. But at the end of the day,

888
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: it's just you just want as many people to enjoy it, right,

889
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: So the reviews absolutely help.

890
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers, But what's the deal with Rotten Tomatoes? And

891
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: me think about this a lot because I noticed the

892
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: school and ebit started that, you know, the thumb thumbs down,

893
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: So there.

894
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: Was the beautiful, beautiful views as.

895
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: Well, so there was there was a binary aspect to it,

896
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: but it was well well outlined.

897
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: It wasn't just the thumbs yeah. Yeah, like so no,

898
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: I'm look, I've got a real issue with that. That

899
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: whole the way that it's been integrated into every platform

900
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: as well. Now it's very well you can little die

901
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 3: by it like a chain. It really affects everything because

902
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: if you come out of the gate first reviews and

903
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: they're all negative and you haven't sold your film to

904
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: certain territories, it'll kill it. It'll just kill it overnight. Man.

905
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of game playing. There's a lot

906
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 3: of you know, there's a lot of sort of shenanigans

907
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: going on about how to not cook the box but

908
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: try to make it work. Yeah, it's really I find

909
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: it just I find that I just don't want the

910
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 3: public to rely on this binary system of like yeah,

911
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: it's like latatorial right, yeah, yeah, like colisseum.

912
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's horrible.

913
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: Do they live or do they die? Yeah, you know,

914
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: and that there's way more nuanced, so much.

915
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: More nuance, and especially like you know, you have the

916
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: the reviewers and it's not it's not like it's sort

917
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: of sold as being a one hundred percent accurate representation.

918
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: It's not.

919
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: It's some reviewers. Some of them are access reviewers, some

920
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: of them have got a genders. There's there's a whole

921
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: lot going on.

922
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: And it's weird because it used to be, like you

923
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: when the reviews first came out, like years ago, they

924
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: were all like major when the media had like meant something, yeah,

925
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: and they were like legacy media, and you'd have all

926
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: these institutional papers and everyone reviewed it. And now the

927
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: first review is like you know, I pecked my nose

928
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: dot com. But the public just see a positive thing. Yeah,

929
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's great, but it's a kid in

930
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: Ohio who's like twelve. Yeah, like with the blog with

931
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: a blog site. Yeah, so it's kind of crazy that

932
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: the industry is so reliant on it now. Yeah, when

933
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: it's kind of just like it's all, what's that guy?

934
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: What's Matthew? And Wolf say.

935
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because I'm like some of my favorite films,

936
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: like I like really bad comedies, you know, like mcgruber

937
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: for example, and and Hot Rod. My writers look to

938
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: be honest, it stole Devild because it was it was

939
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: a fantastic film with incredible act incredible appearance of performances

940
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: from amazing human beings.

941
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: But that that but that's my kids do. When they

942
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: were a lot of younger, I showed them that they

943
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: just they were hysterics.

944
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I love that film, and you know, and.

945
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 3: Like step Brothers, but they're smart. They look dumb, but

946
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: they're not. They're they're actually the way that they put

947
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: those things together. When you see I saw a bit

948
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: of making of how like how much freedom they had

949
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 3: in terms of the improv on that film. Yeah, it's

950
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: like wild. Yeah, and Adam Scott had never done any

951
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: improv like he just said, he found it so intimidating

952
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: when those guys will fail and just were cutting loose

953
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: and came into that max of never having done that style. Yeah,

954
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, mister script, mister script.

955
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, all the best with your film with Bookworm.

956
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: You're you're a great New Zealander and it's great to

957
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: catch up with you. And we should catch up and

958
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: like smash beers together again and see if we can

959
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: get another another hospital at the hospital and cover another hotel.

960
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: We've got to do a we've got to do a

961
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: Devil de Me two reunion screen some style.

962
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, now we're talking.

963
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: It's it's how long has it been? Two thousand and six?

964
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven? I think it came out or

965
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: six or something like that.

966
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: I think it's twentieth year next year. Man, oh god,

967
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: look out.

968
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: I wrote in my book recently about me and and

969
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Chris Bowing our movie and Germany come on, because we

970
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: were so over it. So I wonder if I'll build

971
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: it again. Yeah, I'll bud again.

972
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

973
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Thumbs down, Rot Tomatoes, thumbs down.

974
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: And Timson, thank you for coming into the Daily Bespoke Podcast.

975
00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for all right, Okay, all right, all right, and

976
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: Simpson and Timpson sorry is out the door. He's out

977
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: the door. He's out the door. Good wide raging chat.

978
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I could fucking I'm so sorry

979
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: for the bespokeing dockies that don't like films, but I

980
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: could talk about films for about the next.

981
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: He's probably New Zealand's leading film mix but he's got

982
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: the largest collection of thirty five millimeter films in Australasia.

983
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: So he's got the actual solid films that they put

984
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: on projectors and he collects heaps of them. He's got

985
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: like a quite a spectacular a theater that he plays

986
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: them in. An yeah, yeah, fuck here what a great guy.

987
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that chat. I'm all in on that.

988
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: And now I'm just thinking about going home and watching

989
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: The Labrenth and The Steep Brothers and a couple of

990
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: other films.

991
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't and you know, so if you do

992
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: get a chance to go and see Book Women this weekend,

993
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: go go see it. Support a great New Zealander and

994
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: and by all counts a fantastic film. I'm going to

995
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: take my little my little kids. When I say little,

996
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: they're both tall on them now along to this family film.

997
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: But it does it does it? You know, it's about

998
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: the Cannabar panther, and it's got a lot about the

999
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: caneby cat. That's got a lot. It's you know, it's

1000
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: one of those movies that works for for children and

1001
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: adults alike.

1002
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: I understand, got long potty forty five minutes of this

1003
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: shut up as bespoke. You don't you give them a

1004
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: taste of kei we okay, all right.

1005
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: But hello, I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to

1006
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1009
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1010
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1011
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1013
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