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Speaker 2: Yound of Good afternoon and welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks. It'd be Saturday, April nineteen, Happy Easter, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: Maria Sharapover. I'm Jason Pine, Show producer Anny McDonald. We're

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Speaker 2: here with you until three. What about that game last night?

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Speaker 3: Strikes it through Elisoda, James.

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Speaker 4: I gotta wins it for the Crusaders finally scored tweety

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Speaker 4: five points to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Even that sentence, James O'Connor wins it for the Crusaders.

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Speaker 2: Who would have predicted that a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 2: The Crusaders extending their lead at the top of the

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby table to five points. The owner of the

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Speaker 2: most valuable right boot in christ Church at James O'Connor

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Speaker 2: is on the show after one o'clock after his goalkicking

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Speaker 2: heroics and the whet last night and how are you

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Speaker 2: feeling Blues fans as defending champions? Do you think you

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Speaker 2: can still make the six? I still think you will.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll squeak into the six. More on that

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Speaker 2: after one o'clock. Letting us off today though All Blacks

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Speaker 2: midfielder Jordi Barrett currently playing his rugby for Leinster in

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Speaker 2: Ireland and earning rave reviews. How's he finding it, has

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Speaker 2: it improved as rugby? And did Rico your wany give

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Speaker 2: him a call before he decided to also have a

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Speaker 2: season up at Leinster in twenty twenty six. Jordy Barrett

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Speaker 2: standing by to chat with us from Ireland. Also, can

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Speaker 2: you get your views on a couple of things related

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Speaker 2: to players heading away for various reasons, either on sabbatical

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Speaker 2: or for good and what that means for their All

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Speaker 2: Blacks prospects other matters around today Over the next couple

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Speaker 2: of weekends, going to check in with the super rugby

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Speaker 2: CEOs based here in New Zealand, Roger Clark from the Highlanders,

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Speaker 2: Avonlea from the Hurricanes on the show today to see

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Speaker 2: how they're tracking, largely in off field matters and other

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Speaker 2: sort of peripheral things to the rugby itself, so Roger

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Speaker 2: Clark and Avon Lee this afternoon. Colin Mansbridge on the

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Speaker 2: show tomorrow, He'll be happy to see you. Netball New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's board are going to review their ruling over Grace

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Speaker 2: Wecki and her Silver Fern's eligibility. At the moment she's

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Speaker 2: playing her domestic netball in Australia, which means she cannot

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Speaker 2: play for the Silver Ferns under the current rules, but

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Speaker 2: they can change the rules that they want to. Silver

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Speaker 2: Fern's coach, Dame Notding told her is with us on

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Speaker 2: very own Ali Chu from the world famous Freestyle Kings.

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Speaker 2: She's on the show this afternoon, involved in the Easter

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Speaker 2: show across the weekend in Auckland the Ice Ferns, that's

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Speaker 2: our New Zealand women's ice hockey team. They're currently competing

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Speaker 2: in the International Ice Hockey Federation Division two Group B

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Speaker 2: World Champs. They're being played in Dneed and we'll get

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Speaker 2: you inside the camp. The head have a huge game

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Speaker 2: against Australia tonight. Adam Peacock in his regular slot with

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Speaker 2: Australian Sporting Matters Live Sport this afternoon while we're on

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Speaker 2: the radio. Super RB Round ten continues in Lautoka the

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Speaker 2: Fiji and Drewer up against the Waratars from five past two.

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Speaker 2: Will keep eyes on that for you and the final

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Speaker 2: two play in games before the NBA Playoffs. Two spots

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Speaker 2: up for grabs in the playoffs in the East, Atlanta

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Speaker 2: Hawks v. Miami Heat in Atlanta. It's halftime and Miami

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Speaker 2: leads sixty two fifty three. Out West Memphis Grizzlies Dallas

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Speaker 2: the Shaft you would like to across your Easter weekend.

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Speaker 2: up eleven past midday.

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Speaker 1: The schools from the trag Field and the Court on

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Speaker 1: your homes Sport Weekend Sport with Jason n B.

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Speaker 2: All Blacksmidfield A. Jordi Barrett is nearing the end of

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Speaker 2: his sabbatical with Leinster, which has been an extremely successful one.

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Speaker 5: Gipston Park has it wasting no time Mann forra Hanshaw

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Speaker 5: Teagan takes him.

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Speaker 4: Jerry Barrett whil taker the old crushes over us to

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Speaker 6: Gain ready for Pillette.

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Speaker 2: Leinster on track for an historic double. They are top

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Speaker 2: small part due to the influence of Jordy Barrett, who

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Speaker 2: time to time Jordy. How happy have you been with

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Good to chat, fine, Yeah it's been It's been great

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Speaker 8: somewhat coming up here into the unknown, but the challenge

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Speaker 8: is what enticed me and it's been a good transition

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Speaker 8: Great group of boys obviously which helps, majority being Irish

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Speaker 8: internationals which also helps too. And yeah, it's enjoying a

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Speaker 9: So the foot has been going good.

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Speaker 2: Has the standard of the rugby in the u RC,

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Speaker 9: Yeah, probably as expected.

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Speaker 8: I mean there's been some challenging games and then I mean, respectfully,

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Speaker 8: there's been some yeah, games that have been a little

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Speaker 8: But that's just the way it is and the way

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Speaker 8: brink of international So it's a great challenge in that

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Speaker 9: So it's been a nice balance.

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Speaker 2: Have you been mainly playing at second five or have

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Speaker 8: Yet mostly Well, I mean it's probably it's been a

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Speaker 8: Spend most of my training at twelve. But it's been

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's happened? Do you think you'll come

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Speaker 10: I think so.

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Speaker 8: I reserve that jovement for people watching on the telly,

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Speaker 9: Like I said, it was a challenge come up here.

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Speaker 8: Become familiar with another system and different coaches and players

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Speaker 8: Like any footy player just wants to improve, and I

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Speaker 9: Semi finals and finals coming up.

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Speaker 11: So.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, hopefully we give ourselves another chance and earn the

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Speaker 2: I know there was some concern among some people that

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Speaker 2: but the White set up over there with six Nations

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Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, I think there's absolutely no concern in

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Speaker 9: Leinster have been standing and managing that. I went eight

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Speaker 8: Throughout that January February sixth Nations phase, and it got

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Speaker 9: So I've been managing me really well.

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Speaker 8: I felt fresh ready to come back, particularly last month

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Speaker 8: like I spent a couple weeks out of that environment

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Speaker 2: It's been a great season for Leinster. Top of the

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Speaker 2: URC four games to go semi finals are the Champions Cup.

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Speaker 2: Just one loss all season and that was by one

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Speaker 2: point against the Balls that loft us. What have been

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the way the foundation of Leinster and look, they've

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Speaker 9: So look, it helps when everyone's available.

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Speaker 8: And I got the caliber of player like I alluded

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Speaker 8: to before, twenty to twenty three international test caps in

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Speaker 9: Growing underneath them.

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Speaker 8: When the international players get rotated out or they're away

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Speaker 8: so they might have a couple of games then come

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Speaker 8: those review preview processes, and it's just a great club

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Speaker 8: for I guess developing as a player.

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Speaker 2: Your last game was a comfortable went over Glasgow in

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Speaker 2: the quarterfinals of the Champions Cup. You got rave reviews

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Speaker 2: for your own performance. How pleased were you with the

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Speaker 2: way you're played in that game specifically?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I was very pleased, Pony.

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Speaker 8: I mean I was on edge a week because I

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Speaker 8: mean I was starting at twelve and Robbie Henshaw, who's

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Speaker 8: been an Irish Legion and Lynch Legion, was playing a

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Speaker 8: one hundredth cap that day, so internally there's a lot

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Speaker 2: And it's not all about rugby. I know you love

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Speaker 2: Excellent to hear well. The rugby's obviously going well, the

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby back here. I presume it's sort of breakfast

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Speaker 8: Yes, perfect, Yes, sit in front of the telly some

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Speaker 2: Certainly. Is all the best for the rest of your

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Speaker 2: time over there, Jordy, it's going well as I say,

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Speaker 9: Mate, Thanks pony, great chat ye.

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Speaker 2: Great to chat to you too, JORDI thinks. Indeed, Jordy

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Speaker 2: think it is what Japanese sabbaticals are now either. We

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Speaker 2: While he's away, others back here can play, we can

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Speaker 2: his standards have not dropped at all In Ireland. If anything,

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Speaker 2: all of this while Rico Yuwani is away, I would

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no argument, no issue at all with any player

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Speaker 2: It's a free market and if Mark Delayer has decided

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Speaker 2: the cupboard is bear established all Blacks, sever Reese, Caleb Clark,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Tangato, Chafee Hackey Maka Springer, Kenny Naholo. As always,

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Speaker 2: He has to look at the next Rugby World Cup.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he can probably do both. He can probably

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear it. Talking opening the door for

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven to one. This is News Talks THEREB and

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Speaker 2: Weekendsport across Easter weekend. I hope it's going well for

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Speaker 2: you if you're tuning in from a different part of

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Speaker 2: the country. Good to have you with us. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you found the frequency. Okay, sabbatical yea. I looked up

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Speaker 2: synonyms for sabbatical and they're all they all, you know,

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Speaker 2: suggest a rest. Here are some of the synonyms vacation, holiday, rest, respite, liberty.

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Speaker 2: See that those aren't right, Josh says Piney instead of sabbatical,

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Speaker 2: working holiday. I get it, Josh, but even the having

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Speaker 2: the word holiday in there, doesn't you know, doesn't fit

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Speaker 2: with me. Christine says growth term overseas gt O. Christine,

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Speaker 2: I like it gt O, A growth term overseas. I've

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Speaker 2: had Minty from whykto rugby commentator up there, get in touch.

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Speaker 2: It's a contract pause, a contract pause, Minty, don't mind it,

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Speaker 2: can I?

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Speaker 9: Ben?

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Speaker 10: Finally here you go men.

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Speaker 2: Very good Ben. You'll be a happy Crusaders fan today.

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Speaker 2: And I've got James O'Connor on the radio after one.

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Speaker 2: You'll enjoy listening to them.

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Speaker 10: I cannot wait. I cannot wait. And uh yeah, one

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Speaker 10: when I again to be supported here to the days.

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Speaker 10: Like old mate, old mate Georgie said before, you know,

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Speaker 10: you can you can pick these games, and I actually

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Speaker 10: put mine on the Blues winning obviously a lot of

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Speaker 10: favorites in the Blues fifteen years up there. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 10: and ye what a game?

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Speaker 9: What a game?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 2: A superb, a superb and like you know, like most

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Speaker 2: games this year been. And we've talked about this a

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Speaker 2: lot on the radio. You know, you can't pick them up.

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Speaker 2: You cannot pick them. I thought I saw that the odds, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the Blues were actually I think they were paying

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Speaker 2: two eighty and I thought that's actually very good money

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Speaker 2: for them. Obviously if they you know, they would have

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Speaker 2: taken my money. I've put money on the Blues. But

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Speaker 2: you simply you can't. You can't pick it a you

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Speaker 2: can't pick these games.

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Speaker 10: Look at my own pacificate. You know, I remember that

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Speaker 10: day just before they played the Crusaders last time I

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Speaker 10: spoke with you, Yeah, you hang up the phone, watched

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Speaker 10: the game, and here we go. They just beat the

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Speaker 10: Crusaders at home. So look, I just I've got a

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Speaker 10: handle to these guys. One rock any you know, after

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Speaker 10: his first season, I thought, who the hell is this guy?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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Speaker 10: And he's he's of he's proven me, proved me wrong.

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Speaker 10: And you know, obviously with the All Blacks and Aussie rivalry,

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Speaker 10: you know, Australians seen an Australian and then the Australian

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Speaker 10: is international and the Crusaders peck was absolute bloody you know, taboo,

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Speaker 10: what the hell?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh totally. We don't need we don't need, we

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Speaker 2: don't need Australians down here.

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Speaker 10: Last night I thought he's put me at Yeah, he's

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Speaker 10: gone up. So I guess that they put him at

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Speaker 10: notch one? Is it nots one? On the respective? No,

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Speaker 10: he's he's proven, he's proven his waiting in gold just

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Speaker 10: from a kick a bit like old old Beaver. I suppose, yes,

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Speaker 10: But how was it passed from Hoskins. Man, that that guy,

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Speaker 10: that's all about Hoskins. That guy he used to go

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Speaker 10: to school and playing the same rugby team as my

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Speaker 10: son up in Open and he was playing for United

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Speaker 10: and even at school when that livid stays. Hoskins used

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Speaker 10: to have the get to get. He win every single

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Speaker 10: evening and it didn't matter what sport the guy was,

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Speaker 10: whatever he chose to go, then he was going to

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Speaker 10: be a bit of a champion. And when I saw

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Speaker 10: that pass, it's a great pass and everyone who commentators

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Speaker 10: were talking about how we've never seen it, But I thought,

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Speaker 10: there's no surprise from a guy like that. He's just

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Speaker 10: he's just one of there's people born with that expector.

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Speaker 10: But no, Yeah, I just want to say, Rob Penny,

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Speaker 10: James O'Connor, you're all at notch.

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Speaker 2: One love it being good man and got observations about

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Speaker 2: Hoskins as well. Yeah, that passed. It was because we

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Speaker 2: saw Ruben Love do it earlier in the season, didn't

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Speaker 2: we from from standing out of the back line and

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Speaker 2: firing it out wide? Yeah? When when when he did it,

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Speaker 2: I was I was watching it live on Telly and

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Speaker 2: I thought to myself, what's he doing it? Just like

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Speaker 2: he'd throwing the ball away. I think even Nisbo was

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Speaker 2: surprised because he said, what's he done? But then it

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Speaker 2: ends up in the hands of aj Labman over he goes.

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Speaker 2: Hoskin Statutu is such an interesting play. You know, last

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Speaker 2: year one of the best, if not the best in

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Speaker 2: Super rugby, but didn't get the All Blacks call up,

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Speaker 2: and there's been all sorts of chat about what he

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Speaker 2: might do in terms of staying, going, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 2: But he Look, if we're talking about guys who are

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Speaker 2: on the All Blacks radar, Hoskins Stitutu has to be

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Speaker 2: on the All Blacks radar, especially with Wallace Stiti out

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Speaker 2: up until now. I saw some stuff during the week

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Speaker 2: that he might be back potentially for the back end

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Speaker 2: of the season, which would be great. But Hoskins Stutu

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Speaker 2: has to be in the All Blacks conversation, not just

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Speaker 2: because he can throw outrageous passes like that, but because

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Speaker 2: he is a very very good loose forward. A secondment

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Speaker 2: while on unpaid leaves Andrew, Yeah, a secondment while on

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Speaker 2: unpaid leave, Yeah, I don't mind it. I feel like

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Speaker 2: we need a flash term for it. We need a

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Speaker 2: word that basically talks about how you go somewhere to

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Speaker 2: improve yourself and not like sabbatical. Like I say, it

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Speaker 2: conjures images of sitting on a beach or sitting at

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Speaker 2: the top of a mountain, looking at and reflecting on life.

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Speaker 2: Jim says. Definition sabbatical is a period in which an

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Speaker 2: employee takes an extended break from work. The reasons for

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Speaker 2: taking a sabbatical can vary from pursuing a degree or

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Speaker 2: working on a personal project, of volunteering, traveling the world,

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Speaker 2: or spending more time with family. See none of that

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Speaker 2: seems to apply to this. For me, it's it's and

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Speaker 2: Jordie Barrett more than any other player, I think, because

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Speaker 2: he went to Europe rather than the more well treaded

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Speaker 2: path of Japan, talked about improvement, talked about how he

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Speaker 2: wanted to improve by going overseas. Yes, he's getting paid, well,

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Speaker 2: look I'm not stupid. Yes he's getting paid well, of

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Speaker 2: course he is, and he deserves to be one of

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Speaker 2: the best players on the planet. But he's gone to

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Speaker 2: improve himself as a rugby player. Nathan's his body. It's

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Speaker 2: literally an oe. Well it isn't many ways, isn't it

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Speaker 2: goes over there? Plays well, hello, Carlos after them? Fine,

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Speaker 2: how are you good? Thank you Carlos good.

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Speaker 14: Just on the Mark Talia thing, I am, first of all,

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Speaker 14: well done to him. Yeah, I think he's definitely made

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Speaker 14: the right decision. I'll get it anyways, Pross concerned, but.

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Speaker 15: I would be picking him if he is the best

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Speaker 15: person in that position for a black jersey. Oh, this year,

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Speaker 15: I don't care about the next two years. And if

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Speaker 15: I was mister Robinson, I'm not going to I'm going

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Speaker 15: to pick my best team. You earn a black jersey,

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Speaker 15: you don't walk into one. And so as far as

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Speaker 15: that's concerner, I'd be definitely playing him as he's still

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Speaker 15: in that sort of form to warrant that black jersey.

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Speaker 16: Yes, i'd be picking him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think he probably deserves to be in

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Speaker 2: the team. I think I look around the wingers who

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Speaker 2: are playing around the competition at the moment, Carlos and

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Speaker 2: and yes, he's had some ups and downs and the

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Speaker 2: Blues I've had a challenging season, but I still think

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Speaker 2: Mark Talaya is the best right winger going around. I'd

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Speaker 2: still have him in the fourteen Jersey if he wasn't

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Speaker 2: going overseas. That's the only reason we're really talking about

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Speaker 2: it is because he's going overseas, and if he plays there,

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Speaker 2: then somebody else who's going to be at the Rugby

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Speaker 2: World Cup in a couple of years won't get that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think he's still worth his place. Whether

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Speaker 2: it's what's more important to raise A picking his best

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Speaker 2: team for games in twenty twenty five or making sure

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Speaker 2: he's got the best team ready in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think we'll finnestly a s fires in his

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Speaker 16: raisers position. I'd be picking my best team this year

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Speaker 16: with the knowledge in twenty five Sorry, in two years

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Speaker 16: time from now, I build on that. But I just

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Speaker 16: don't want to be handing anything out. I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I mean, that's he is still the best person in

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Speaker 16: that position, given that, you know when it comes around

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Speaker 16: in June. Yes, so that's that's where i'd be going anyway.

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Speaker 16: That's the personal thing.

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Speaker 2: But no, and it's it's as valid. It's it's absolutely valid, Carlos.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's it's probably a commonly held view.

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Speaker 2: You say, Okay, forget what's happening beyond this? What is

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Speaker 2: the best team to win this next test match? If

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Speaker 2: that is the one filter that you pass your selection through,

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Speaker 2: then it's absolutely valid. What is the best team we

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Speaker 2: can put out there to win this test match? And

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Speaker 2: Mark delay isn't it and that's your rationale, then he's

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Speaker 2: in the team. Good on your Carlos, Brent, Peter please

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Speaker 2: hold got to get a breakaway with you right after this.

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Speaker 2: On new Stalk Sea.

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Speaker 1: Beat, the biggest things is thought are on weekends for

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Speaker 1: what with Jason Pine and g J. Gunnerholds New Zealand's

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Speaker 1: most trusted home builder.

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Speaker 2: News dogs call it to one enhancement leave suggested here

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Speaker 2: on text professional Development. Yes, I think both of those

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Speaker 2: probably cover what what we're after here.

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Speaker 17: Brent High, you know Jason this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I hope how's your rest to going, Brent? You're enjoying yourself?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: I think yeah. I think a bit of credit to

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Speaker 17: Brad Moore as the assistant coach at the Crusaders. A

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Speaker 17: guy like him said a fair amount of experience. I

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Speaker 17: think with the Orcs and whatever you having him as

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Speaker 17: a second coach here, I think he's that Crusader's team.

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Speaker 7: Come to life. Of the two agreed with the I wouldn't.

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Speaker 17: Have you only in the or Rex anymore. I think

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Speaker 17: that's the wingers well to me, that tonguey towel and

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Speaker 17: and Noriki if he ever stays, I'm out of injury,

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Speaker 17: and two good bringers for the future. Tonguey tawl looks

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Speaker 17: looks really looks for goods coming out of the seventh.

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Speaker 17: So I think it's time for a bit of a

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Speaker 17: reshuffle with that all black team, especially in the back line.

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Speaker 17: We talked to someone the other day and I said, well,

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Speaker 17: the the backs we used.

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Speaker 9: To have.

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Speaker 17: And the flair that the back line used to possess

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Speaker 17: doesn't seem to be there anymore. Repsist because of the

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Speaker 17: rush defense and that sort of thing. We seem to

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Speaker 17: have lost a father choosed to sort of forward orientated,

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Speaker 17: and the way of of the backs just sort of well,

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Speaker 17: we come back to what I keep saying is a

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Speaker 17: half back kick and the dam thing away all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we've beaten this drum together before, haven't. I would

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Speaker 2: love to have seen and I'll be accused of hurricanes

636
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Speaker 2: bias here, but I would love to have seen Billy

637
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Speaker 2: Prock to play more often last year for the All Blacks,

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Speaker 2: just to see what he can do in that center Jersey,

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Speaker 2: and I hope that that will be something we see

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Speaker 2: this year as well. He's back for the Canes tonight

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Speaker 2: after being out with our calices. The other I've had

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Speaker 2: pointed out to me in terms of Rico going away

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Speaker 2: next year as the return of Leicester faighting Anuko of course,

644
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Speaker 2: and he's another who has got a bit of versatility

645
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Speaker 2: about him cold planing the wing, but also I think

646
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Speaker 2: has got has got a lot of promise at center.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, look, I think it's probably impossible for you

648
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Speaker 2: and I to sit here today and predict what the

649
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Speaker 2: All Blacks back line will be for the first game

650
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Speaker 2: of the Rugby World Cup in two years.

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Speaker 17: Yea, As I said, I think some of the young

652
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Speaker 17: ones coming through there's a lot of a lot of potential,

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Speaker 17: especially that looks really good and you like him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: The other the other reasonable news scene you talk about

656
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Speaker 17: the Hurricanes, you know, you get Higgins is in there

657
00:36:01,387 --> 00:36:06,027
Speaker 17: tonight and Flanders and Brett Cameron are both running round

658
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Speaker 17: up at the hedd C is ticking thought balls around,

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Speaker 17: say we might get a full squad before this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and rubin love it. Rubin love at first five

661
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Speaker 2: Brent as well, very curious to see how he goes

662
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Speaker 2: there at first five you mentioned Britt Cameron. Yeah, he's

663
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Speaker 2: well ahead of schedule to get back, maybe even by

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Speaker 2: the end of the season. But yeah, rubin Love at

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Speaker 2: first five. Tonight, I've been waiting to see this, looking

666
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Speaker 2: forward to it against the Force. But later on tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Brent, appreciate you call pet you high.

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Speaker 18: You know they're finally.

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Speaker 2: Happy Easter to you, Happy East to you. Peter.

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Speaker 18: I'm in the in the track and field, which I've

671
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Speaker 18: been in for a long time. We we called rather

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Speaker 18: than sabbatical or rest, we call it active rest, the

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Speaker 18: word for sabbatial. So in the off off season, we're

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Speaker 18: still we're still training. Top athletes are still training or

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Speaker 18: keeping themselves at active by some of them go overseas.

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Speaker 18: So my word would be active rest.

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Speaker 2: Active rest, active rest. Okay, Yeah, I don't mind it.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind it, but I think I think it,

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Speaker 2: I certainly. I mean, you'll know as well. The word

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Speaker 2: sabbatical comes from sabbath, doesn't it, which is the day

681
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Speaker 2: of rest. So it's it's in the word, isn't it

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to rest on sabbatical.

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Speaker 18: That's right. Well Tony Brunner, who trained Chantal Brunner for

684
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Speaker 18: years here in Wellington there, he came up with that

685
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Speaker 18: word and it's sort of stuck in my mind and

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Speaker 18: I think it's a good word. I'd like to say

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Speaker 18: that I'd like to see all black halfbacks for the

688
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Speaker 18: Canes have a full game and don't drag him off

689
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Speaker 18: like they've been doing in the last couple of games.

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Speaker 18: We need them to play a full full game.

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Speaker 2: Oh you won't. You won't get an argument from me

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Speaker 2: on that. Peter on on players, you know, And it

693
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Speaker 2: seems to be that certain players, in particular halfbacks, it's

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Speaker 2: almost like it's almost like it's it's it's forbidden for

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Speaker 2: them to play eighty minutes anymore. Did you see last

696
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Speaker 2: night for the Crusaders, Fletcher Newell, a front row forward,

697
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Speaker 2: played eighty minutes last night. I loved it.

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Speaker 18: That's right. That's the sort of thing I mean. And

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Speaker 18: some of these hookers too, they can play the play

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Speaker 18: the full thing. If they're playing well, why shouldn't Why

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Speaker 18: should they come off? And I remember Justin Marshall when

702
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Speaker 18: he came off. He looked discussed, he looked disgusted when

703
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Speaker 18: he came off in one of those games when he

704
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Speaker 18: was playing well and the tests. So yeah, that's the

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Speaker 18: way it goes anyway. Let's hope we win.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope we win, Peter, Let's hope we win. And

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Speaker 2: when you say were we mean the Hurricanes. I know

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Speaker 2: you're a good Wellington man. Good to chat to you, mate,

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Speaker 2: John on email. Regarding your current discussion resabaticals as a suggestion,

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Speaker 2: a bit of description is surely international development course or

711
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Speaker 2: perhaps a little more wordy international peer development course. Here

712
00:39:03,627 --> 00:39:07,547
Speaker 2: we are getting quite wordy, there, aren't we. Development exchange,

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00:39:07,907 --> 00:39:11,787
Speaker 2: says Rachel. I don't mind that. I don't mind development exchange,

714
00:39:11,787 --> 00:39:13,547
Speaker 2: although we don't get anything coming back the other way.

715
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Speaker 2: If we got Gary Ringrose coming back the other way,

716
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Speaker 2: maybe the exchange by work overseas rugby activity says Ross

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Speaker 2: oh R A overseas rugby activity. Michelle says, what about

718
00:39:27,547 --> 00:39:32,027
Speaker 2: instead of sabbatical sports OE or professional OE? I like

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Speaker 2: all of these. I like all of these. I think

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Speaker 2: the word sabbatical is a misnomer now it does not

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Speaker 2: accurately describe what these things are. Anymore, particularly in this

722
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Speaker 2: case and as much in Japan now where the standard

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Speaker 2: has definitely gone up. You ain't going away to rest.

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Speaker 2: You are not going away to rest. Eight to one

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Speaker 2: US Talk SB.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic field weekends

727
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Speaker 1: for it with Jason Meme News Talk ZENB.

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Speaker 2: Coming up four and a half away from one final

729
00:40:06,787 --> 00:40:09,987
Speaker 2: couple of texts on our discussion points this hour. I've

730
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Speaker 2: really enjoyed the discussion. Heaps of good stuff on text too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for sending them all through. Unfortunately we can't

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Speaker 2: get them all on the air, but we do read

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Speaker 2: them all. Marx says, of course picked Mark to layer.

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Speaker 2: They picked Sam Kaine when he was on his way out.

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Speaker 2: Best players on the day. You've got to earn the fern,

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Speaker 2: says Mark. You do have to earn the fern market stuff.

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Speaker 2: What about secondment rather than sabbatical dictionary meaning temporary transfer

738
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Speaker 2: of an official or worker to another position or employment.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't specifically state that it has to be within

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Speaker 2: the same country or a company. Thanks Truce, Yet circondment, siriconment,

741
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Speaker 2: that's not bad and the same old story becoming reality

742
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Speaker 2: says this one. Two seasons out from a World Cup.

743
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Speaker 2: You need to lose some to win some. New Zealand

744
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Speaker 2: Rugby must change the eligibility rule, and they will. It

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Speaker 2: just won't be prior to twenty twenty seven. It'll be

746
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Speaker 2: after then when the board don't get the results they

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Speaker 2: demand based on current rules. Mark to Layer deserves to

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Speaker 2: be in the All Blacks twenty to twenty three based

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Speaker 2: on form, but not on the rules. Scott Robertson must

750
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Speaker 2: pick players based on a twenty two twenty seven quarter

751
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Speaker 2: final knockout scenario based on who will be here. So yep,

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Speaker 2: I tend to agree. Pick for twenty twenty seven this

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Speaker 2: year James O'Connor After one o'clock.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest force issues

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Speaker 1: on and after fields.

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Speaker 19: It's all on Weekend.

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Speaker 1: Ford with Jason Kane on your home of sport US Talk.

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Speaker 2: Hello that seven past one. I'm Jason Pine and McDonald

759
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Speaker 2: the show producer. This is Weekend fort On News Talk

760
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Speaker 2: said b the Saturday edition over Easter weekend, I hope

761
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Speaker 2: it's going well for you. Then on text, Piney American colleges,

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Speaker 2: when a student's having a break, call it a gap year,

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Speaker 2: an appropriate term to replace sabbatical gap year again. I

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Speaker 2: know him and look, my mind just jumps and jumps

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Speaker 2: instantly to what that actually means. It's like you're taking

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Speaker 2: a break from whatever it is that you do, or

767
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Speaker 2: trying to work out what you do next. I think

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Speaker 2: Jordy Barrett knows what he's doing next, improving Thanks Den Klaus,

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Speaker 2: says Piney. How about a personal development opportunity which captures

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Speaker 2: all the ingredients and reasons for this opportunity in an

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Speaker 2: athlete's career path A p do O A pd O,

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Speaker 2: I like the acronyms are coming up with And finally

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Speaker 2: on this what about? What about? Says this text International

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Speaker 2: Challenge Experience. So Jordi Barrett is currently on ice International

775
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Speaker 2: Challenge Experience. Don't mind it, don't mind it. Adam Peacock

776
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Speaker 2: out of Australia. This hour, we'll also chat to one

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Speaker 2: of our top BMX writers who's taking part in the

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Speaker 2: US to show this weekend, which is clearly a massive event.

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Speaker 2: Allie Chu is her name. She's going to join us

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Speaker 2: on the show this hour. But I want to start

781
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Speaker 2: with rugby. A James O'Connor penalty on the last play

782
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Speaker 2: of the game has given the Crusaders a twenty five

783
00:43:06,147 --> 00:43:09,227
Speaker 2: to twenty two went over the Blues in a super

784
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Speaker 2: rugby thriller in christ Church last night.

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Speaker 3: Strikes it through Elisoder.

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Speaker 4: James I got a Wedsday for the Crusaders finally scored

787
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Speaker 4: sweety five points to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Crusaders awaded a scrum penalty after the final hooter.

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Speaker 2: James O'Connor's kicked from fifty seven meters out sailing through

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Speaker 2: the middle of the posts. Never looked like missing. James

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Speaker 2: O'Connor's with us. How are the emotions made as you

792
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Speaker 2: as you lined that one up to win the game?

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Speaker 20: Honestly, even before that scrum packed down, I could fill

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Speaker 20: the pack.

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Speaker 6: We're going for it.

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Speaker 20: So I had already started my breathing process before the scrum.

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Speaker 20: So I was getting getting ready to either sit in

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Speaker 20: the pocket and trying to drop me or yeah I

799
00:43:59,067 --> 00:44:03,267
Speaker 20: could feel that. Yeah, the tenery was coming. So like man,

800
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Speaker 20: full credit to our pack.

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Speaker 7: That was huge shift.

802
00:44:06,787 --> 00:44:10,187
Speaker 2: And so the ball leaves your boot goes through the posts.

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Speaker 2: How's the adrenaline after that? You get swamped by your

804
00:44:12,587 --> 00:44:14,667
Speaker 2: teammates on a pretty wet night in christ How were

805
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Speaker 2: the emotions after all went through.

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Speaker 17: Oh man, well, so.

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Speaker 20: I had to kick probably five minutes earlier from the

808
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Speaker 20: same spot and I didn't hit it as clean.

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Speaker 21: So that last one, yeah.

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Speaker 20: Really just sucked a process because I could feel, you know,

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Speaker 20: the leg was twitching a little bit when the run

812
00:44:29,787 --> 00:44:31,627
Speaker 20: up was coming, So you just brought it back to

813
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Speaker 20: process and just you drown everything out And as soon

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Speaker 20: as I hit it, I thought I hit it pretty clean.

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Speaker 20: So once it went through, Yeah, achileration, it was an

816
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Speaker 20: unreal moment with the group and yeah, just yeah, awesome

817
00:44:44,627 --> 00:44:46,467
Speaker 20: to get that win because that was definitely a battle

818
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Speaker 20: of that one. You know, wet weather, footy, tough conditions

819
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Speaker 20: and like, to be honest, Blues really dominated the huge parts.

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Speaker 10: Of that game.

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Speaker 20: So for us to galupanize and come back again and

822
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Speaker 20: then win it and smash it for our season.

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Speaker 2: So you said before, you were also lined up for

824
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Speaker 2: a dropper if needed off that final scrum, if you

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00:45:04,467 --> 00:45:05,987
Speaker 2: hadn't got the scrum penalt or you were lined up

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Speaker 2: for a drop that would have been tougher in wet conditions.

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Speaker 20: Oh yeah, you don't the way I hit drop his tooes.

828
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Speaker 19: You don't want to go.

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Speaker 20: That's eighty. So like, yeah, I wasn't going to kick

830
00:45:17,227 --> 00:45:19,467
Speaker 20: obviously do a drop off the scrum, but I think

831
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Speaker 20: I've been in the situations before where I haven't sat

832
00:45:21,947 --> 00:45:24,027
Speaker 20: in the pocket and taken it and regretted it, like

833
00:45:24,067 --> 00:45:25,907
Speaker 20: you don't want to die wondering. So like we had

834
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Speaker 20: a process of if we don't get it, two says

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Speaker 20: sort of shut up and yeah, then ship back. But

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Speaker 20: luckily we didn't have to go to that because I

837
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Speaker 20: think that probably would have been a different outcome.

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Speaker 2: Well we'll never know, but let's I'm a little more

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Speaker 2: pleased that worked out the way that it. Could you

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Speaker 2: just talk about your forward pack and that final scrum.

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Speaker 2: Could you feel the desire among your forwards to really

842
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:49,947
Speaker 2: dominate that final scrum?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

844
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Speaker 20: Yeah, massively. Could you could see even a sort of

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Speaker 20: last five minutes. I only came on with sort of

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Speaker 20: ten minutes ago, but you could feel the energy on

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Speaker 20: the field that the boys zoned in. There was definitely

848
00:46:01,627 --> 00:46:03,387
Speaker 20: a hunger there, but from the Blues as well. They

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00:46:03,427 --> 00:46:04,147
Speaker 20: wanted it badly.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, I could just see obviously.

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Speaker 20: We got it. We had a scrum penalty five minutes

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00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:10,547
Speaker 20: before that, which set up you know, the first the

853
00:46:10,547 --> 00:46:14,307
Speaker 20: first kick, so you know, back to fact, there was huge,

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Speaker 20: huge shit.

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Speaker 2: Just before we move on from from the final play.

856
00:46:18,667 --> 00:46:21,147
Speaker 2: Do you still put as much work into your goalkicking

857
00:46:21,187 --> 00:46:22,027
Speaker 2: as you always have?

858
00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:27,387
Speaker 20: Probably more so now, Like I feel like, well, that's

859
00:46:27,427 --> 00:46:30,187
Speaker 20: I guess that's my role with this team sort of

860
00:46:30,187 --> 00:46:32,387
Speaker 20: to come on and close games out, whether it's to

861
00:46:32,467 --> 00:46:35,067
Speaker 20: speed it up or to finish it off. So I

862
00:46:35,107 --> 00:46:37,227
Speaker 20: again talking about the job kicking, I've never hit so

863
00:46:37,307 --> 00:46:39,507
Speaker 20: many job kicks during training weeks as well, So I've

864
00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:42,747
Speaker 20: been putting a lot of work into, you know, those

865
00:46:42,827 --> 00:46:46,107
Speaker 20: finishing touches, whether it's kicking out of hand, kicking off

866
00:46:46,107 --> 00:46:49,787
Speaker 20: the tee, or just it's man from your ten. Especially

867
00:46:49,787 --> 00:46:52,347
Speaker 20: in wet weather footy, that's your sole job.

868
00:46:52,387 --> 00:46:53,027
Speaker 7: Really, like the.

869
00:46:52,987 --> 00:46:55,587
Speaker 20: Forwards to go to war for you. They go to battle,

870
00:46:55,627 --> 00:46:57,067
Speaker 20: so if you can't put them in the right parts

871
00:46:57,067 --> 00:47:00,707
Speaker 20: of the field, or you can't almost complete your basic

872
00:47:00,787 --> 00:47:04,347
Speaker 20: skill set, that's that's purely my job in those games.

873
00:47:04,387 --> 00:47:07,827
Speaker 20: So just glad, yeah, I could do it for the boys.

874
00:47:08,147 --> 00:47:10,307
Speaker 2: So shortly after you came on last night, the Blues

875
00:47:10,347 --> 00:47:13,347
Speaker 2: went twenty to nineteen ahead with about twelve minutes to go.

876
00:47:13,507 --> 00:47:16,667
Speaker 2: That was after you'd led nineteen seven early in the

877
00:47:16,707 --> 00:47:19,827
Speaker 2: second half, so at that point, what sort of conversations

878
00:47:19,867 --> 00:47:24,307
Speaker 2: are going on out there among the Crusaders players.

879
00:47:24,507 --> 00:47:27,987
Speaker 20: So for me, like coming on, it's not the pleasure,

880
00:47:28,027 --> 00:47:29,627
Speaker 20: but like I got to watch the game sort of

881
00:47:29,627 --> 00:47:32,227
Speaker 20: from the banch, so I'm seeing sort of what's working,

882
00:47:32,267 --> 00:47:35,187
Speaker 20: what isn't, and I guess how we can get down there.

883
00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:38,867
Speaker 20: So like I felt like that last sort of twelve minutes,

884
00:47:39,067 --> 00:47:41,627
Speaker 20: we still had time, but it wasn't about you know,

885
00:47:41,667 --> 00:47:44,427
Speaker 20: panicking and trying to overplay. It was about just territory

886
00:47:44,507 --> 00:47:47,067
Speaker 20: and possession and for that so we're just going to

887
00:47:47,187 --> 00:47:50,267
Speaker 20: our bankers from our lineouts and then just finding kickspace

888
00:47:50,267 --> 00:47:52,627
Speaker 20: where we could push them back and then hopefully just

889
00:47:52,667 --> 00:47:54,787
Speaker 20: creep up the field a little bit of forescy bags

890
00:47:55,907 --> 00:47:58,787
Speaker 20: and then yeah, so I worked, We stuck the process,

891
00:47:58,907 --> 00:48:01,147
Speaker 20: and all the game drivers were on the same page

892
00:48:01,187 --> 00:48:03,147
Speaker 20: in terms of what exactly we wanted to do to

893
00:48:03,147 --> 00:48:05,867
Speaker 20: get the outcome. And it's just beautiful when it all,

894
00:48:05,987 --> 00:48:08,307
Speaker 20: you know, thinks up like a symphony.

895
00:48:08,347 --> 00:48:11,187
Speaker 2: I guess absolutely. And you've played every game this season,

896
00:48:11,227 --> 00:48:14,427
Speaker 2: all but one, though in an impact role like last night,

897
00:48:14,707 --> 00:48:17,147
Speaker 2: has that meat needed much of an adjustment on your

898
00:48:17,187 --> 00:48:19,187
Speaker 2: part to play a slightly different role.

899
00:48:20,387 --> 00:48:22,667
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, massively. Like I'm not going to lie. I

900
00:48:22,707 --> 00:48:26,227
Speaker 20: love starting. I've always you know, that's sort of what

901
00:48:26,307 --> 00:48:29,587
Speaker 20: you play the game for. But moving into this different

902
00:48:29,667 --> 00:48:32,547
Speaker 20: role was pretty cleve. And like their conversations I had

903
00:48:32,587 --> 00:48:35,147
Speaker 20: with all the coaches and stuff like that, was that

904
00:48:35,227 --> 00:48:37,027
Speaker 20: was sort of the role we saw that I could

905
00:48:37,027 --> 00:48:38,787
Speaker 20: really I guess how the team was sort of like

906
00:48:38,827 --> 00:48:41,707
Speaker 20: that last twenty or thirty minutes, like I said, sort

907
00:48:41,707 --> 00:48:43,827
Speaker 20: of closing games out. And it hasn't been something in

908
00:48:43,867 --> 00:48:46,987
Speaker 20: the past that I've loved or have done that well at.

909
00:48:47,027 --> 00:48:50,147
Speaker 20: So I have all the detail. Like you know, I've

910
00:48:50,147 --> 00:48:51,547
Speaker 20: been in the game for a long time, so I

911
00:48:51,627 --> 00:48:53,907
Speaker 20: know how to do it. It's just about doing it correctly,

912
00:48:53,907 --> 00:48:57,267
Speaker 20: and it's all just about moments, you know, just fewer

913
00:48:57,347 --> 00:49:01,227
Speaker 20: choices and just executions. So I've raally focused on that

914
00:49:01,347 --> 00:49:03,667
Speaker 20: this season. That's sort of my role and that's how

915
00:49:03,707 --> 00:49:05,347
Speaker 20: I can have the team and that's you know, my

916
00:49:05,427 --> 00:49:08,507
Speaker 20: game right now, that part that lasts of thirty minutes

917
00:49:08,547 --> 00:49:11,427
Speaker 20: and making sure we're playing in the right areas of

918
00:49:11,467 --> 00:49:14,147
Speaker 20: the field and then taking our opportunity. So a shift

919
00:49:14,147 --> 00:49:16,987
Speaker 20: in mindset definitely, because you know, you come off the

920
00:49:17,027 --> 00:49:19,747
Speaker 20: bench and a lot of the time, well most other positions,

921
00:49:19,787 --> 00:49:21,427
Speaker 20: you just want to come on and make an impact,

922
00:49:21,627 --> 00:49:23,947
Speaker 20: get your hands on the ball, go to work. So

923
00:49:24,147 --> 00:49:27,707
Speaker 20: my big thing is about almost keeping the guys calm,

924
00:49:27,707 --> 00:49:30,027
Speaker 20: working hard in that backfield so they're not getting too

925
00:49:30,067 --> 00:49:31,907
Speaker 20: much space because guys like you know, Will Jordan are

926
00:49:31,907 --> 00:49:33,707
Speaker 20: playing eighty minutes each week, so I want to make

927
00:49:33,747 --> 00:49:35,827
Speaker 20: sure you know, I'm coming on and taking some of

928
00:49:35,827 --> 00:49:38,107
Speaker 20: the load off him, running meet his wives and covering

929
00:49:38,147 --> 00:49:41,547
Speaker 20: a lot. But other than that, it's literally just about

930
00:49:42,107 --> 00:49:44,667
Speaker 20: process and getting the guys on the right parts of

931
00:49:44,667 --> 00:49:46,467
Speaker 20: the field. So we're in the battle, in the fight,

932
00:49:46,547 --> 00:49:48,027
Speaker 20: and you know can do those.

933
00:49:47,907 --> 00:49:48,507
Speaker 7: Sort of things.

934
00:49:49,067 --> 00:49:51,947
Speaker 2: So the bloke and the team Jersey Tah Kamata, how

935
00:49:51,947 --> 00:49:53,387
Speaker 2: do you evaluate his potential?

936
00:49:54,827 --> 00:49:58,387
Speaker 20: I mean, he's incredible talent, Nay's I've said it before.

937
00:49:58,387 --> 00:50:00,747
Speaker 20: He is one of the most naturally gifted taens I've

938
00:50:00,747 --> 00:50:03,067
Speaker 20: played with. And he's just got such a love for

939
00:50:03,147 --> 00:50:05,547
Speaker 20: the game, the way like his composer and the way

940
00:50:05,587 --> 00:50:08,027
Speaker 20: he sees it and just his foot speed and his

941
00:50:08,227 --> 00:50:11,307
Speaker 20: pass like he's a very gifted guy. But I think

942
00:50:11,347 --> 00:50:13,747
Speaker 20: that only takes you so far, but to me, it's

943
00:50:13,787 --> 00:50:17,227
Speaker 20: his willingness, willingness to learn, Like the amount of conversations

944
00:50:17,227 --> 00:50:20,707
Speaker 20: we have about rugby and about footy. It's awesome because

945
00:50:20,747 --> 00:50:22,947
Speaker 20: we're both challenging each other and we both growing from

946
00:50:22,947 --> 00:50:26,027
Speaker 20: each other and rivers as well. Like it's been sort

947
00:50:26,027 --> 00:50:27,987
Speaker 20: of tougher for him because he had an injury at

948
00:50:27,987 --> 00:50:30,147
Speaker 20: the start of the year and you know he's fighting

949
00:50:30,187 --> 00:50:32,587
Speaker 20: his way back into the group. But our connections between

950
00:50:32,707 --> 00:50:35,707
Speaker 20: all of us tens and game drivers is awesome. Like

951
00:50:35,747 --> 00:50:37,827
Speaker 20: the amount of review the guys who aren't playing to

952
00:50:37,907 --> 00:50:40,307
Speaker 20: doing for us in terms of what they're seeing in

953
00:50:40,427 --> 00:50:44,507
Speaker 20: attack plans, how we review oppositions, how we're previewing games.

954
00:50:45,027 --> 00:50:49,107
Speaker 20: It's like it's awesome to see everyone just helping each other.

955
00:50:49,187 --> 00:50:51,587
Speaker 20: We're working for the one jersey, but you know we're

956
00:50:52,027 --> 00:50:53,947
Speaker 20: you know, we're all on the same page, in it together,

957
00:50:54,067 --> 00:50:56,987
Speaker 20: and you can definitely feel it's a team performance, like

958
00:50:56,987 --> 00:50:58,227
Speaker 20: a full squad performance.

959
00:50:58,667 --> 00:51:01,227
Speaker 2: It's so good. When you came into the team this year,

960
00:51:01,387 --> 00:51:05,307
Speaker 2: did you feel any lingering effects of the team's disappointing

961
00:51:05,347 --> 00:51:06,507
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four.

962
00:51:08,267 --> 00:51:08,947
Speaker 17: One hundred percent.

963
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:12,147
Speaker 20: Wasn't shied away from first bloody. A few meetings were

964
00:51:12,187 --> 00:51:15,267
Speaker 20: all about this isn't a Crusader standard, like where do

965
00:51:15,307 --> 00:51:16,907
Speaker 20: we go wrong and how do we fix them? And

966
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:20,307
Speaker 20: then just the conversations of it's it was never about

967
00:51:20,347 --> 00:51:22,787
Speaker 20: being a victim. It was like, how do we step up?

968
00:51:22,827 --> 00:51:26,107
Speaker 20: How do we own you know, how do we own

969
00:51:26,147 --> 00:51:28,987
Speaker 20: this and move forward and get back to the crusaders DNA.

970
00:51:29,067 --> 00:51:31,187
Speaker 20: And it's not about doing what teams did in the past.

971
00:51:31,187 --> 00:51:34,107
Speaker 20: It's taking, you know, elements of what you know the

972
00:51:34,227 --> 00:51:36,867
Speaker 20: successful teams have done. But it's a new, new super

973
00:51:36,907 --> 00:51:39,867
Speaker 20: rugby style. It's a new system, the rules have changed,

974
00:51:39,907 --> 00:51:43,067
Speaker 20: so it's just about all sinking up on the same page.

975
00:51:43,107 --> 00:51:45,187
Speaker 20: But it's probably the one team I've been a part

976
00:51:45,227 --> 00:51:49,347
Speaker 20: of where there's no showing away from winning like a

977
00:51:49,387 --> 00:51:51,027
Speaker 20: lot of other teams I played for in the past.

978
00:51:51,067 --> 00:51:54,187
Speaker 20: We've spoken about playing good rugby and the process, which

979
00:51:54,227 --> 00:51:56,267
Speaker 20: is a huge part of it, but I felt like

980
00:51:56,347 --> 00:51:58,187
Speaker 20: it was a line in the sand of like this

981
00:51:58,347 --> 00:52:00,427
Speaker 20: is not good enough. This is where we need to be.

982
00:52:01,067 --> 00:52:03,027
Speaker 20: We want this more than any other team, and I

983
00:52:03,027 --> 00:52:05,907
Speaker 20: think each week you feel when we turn up, especially

984
00:52:05,907 --> 00:52:07,627
Speaker 20: like the game against the Blues. So we took that

985
00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:10,307
Speaker 20: one like it was origin genuinely like that was the

986
00:52:10,387 --> 00:52:13,107
Speaker 20: theme for the week was you know Queensland Versuy South

987
00:52:13,147 --> 00:52:15,067
Speaker 20: Wales and this is going to go down to the world.

988
00:52:15,107 --> 00:52:17,787
Speaker 20: We knew that, we knew the conditions weren't going to

989
00:52:17,867 --> 00:52:20,307
Speaker 20: be ideal, so then it's literally just about you know,

990
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,907
Speaker 20: heart and kaha and I feel like our boys went

991
00:52:22,987 --> 00:52:24,907
Speaker 20: to war, so there's going to be a few sore

992
00:52:24,987 --> 00:52:26,267
Speaker 20: bodies from both sides.

993
00:52:26,787 --> 00:52:31,827
Speaker 2: Feel I love that you're still harbor that Wallaby's ambition, James.

994
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:32,947
Speaker 22: I do.

995
00:52:33,147 --> 00:52:33,427
Speaker 19: I do.

996
00:52:33,667 --> 00:52:35,587
Speaker 20: There is definitely a big part of me that would

997
00:52:35,627 --> 00:52:38,667
Speaker 20: love to go full circle and I'm playing that line

998
00:52:38,707 --> 00:52:41,667
Speaker 20: series and see what happens after that. But I'm not

999
00:52:41,707 --> 00:52:44,027
Speaker 20: attached to it too much. I'm just loving my footy,

1000
00:52:44,547 --> 00:52:47,627
Speaker 20: loving living in New Zealand, me and the family of

1001
00:52:47,747 --> 00:52:50,187
Speaker 20: just enjoying our life. Like on field, obviously it's gone

1002
00:52:50,227 --> 00:52:53,547
Speaker 20: really well and I'm enjoying it. It's definitely given me

1003
00:52:53,507 --> 00:52:55,907
Speaker 20: a new zest for life. But away from footy as well,

1004
00:52:55,947 --> 00:52:59,107
Speaker 20: like we're very we're very settled in just enjoying this

1005
00:52:59,147 --> 00:53:03,187
Speaker 20: new environment. But there's beats, the river lakes, there's so

1006
00:53:03,267 --> 00:53:06,907
Speaker 20: much sort of I guess natural beauty over that we're

1007
00:53:07,147 --> 00:53:09,067
Speaker 20: really just delving into.

1008
00:53:09,027 --> 00:53:11,067
Speaker 2: That is great to hear. There was some talk online

1009
00:53:11,107 --> 00:53:13,747
Speaker 2: last night about your all blacks eligibility, people saying aways

1010
00:53:13,787 --> 00:53:15,347
Speaker 2: and played for Australia for a while, maybe you could

1011
00:53:15,347 --> 00:53:16,027
Speaker 2: play for us.

1012
00:53:19,067 --> 00:53:20,187
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1013
00:53:20,347 --> 00:53:24,467
Speaker 20: Hey, my parents are both key with but look, I

1014
00:53:24,627 --> 00:53:28,307
Speaker 20: think if you're blacks to falling back on me. Yeah,

1015
00:53:28,507 --> 00:53:35,027
Speaker 20: they've got enough good tangent in their stable, you know. Hey,

1016
00:53:35,627 --> 00:53:37,627
Speaker 20: and you know, look, I'm going with you as you're

1017
00:53:37,627 --> 00:53:41,467
Speaker 20: going through. That's you know, that's that's where my heart is.

1018
00:53:42,347 --> 00:53:45,427
Speaker 20: But they're not going to come knock. And let's be honest.

1019
00:53:45,627 --> 00:53:47,227
Speaker 2: Well, you're one of the most popular men in christ

1020
00:53:47,267 --> 00:53:50,107
Speaker 2: Church last night I can tell you that. So congratulations

1021
00:53:50,107 --> 00:53:52,627
Speaker 2: on another win for the Crusaders, which keeps you clear

1022
00:53:52,627 --> 00:53:53,907
Speaker 2: at the top of the table. Enjoy the rest of

1023
00:53:53,947 --> 00:53:57,187
Speaker 2: the Easter weekend, James, Thanks for having a chat to us, mate.

1024
00:53:57,307 --> 00:53:59,667
Speaker 20: I appreciate and we'll do it. Looking forward to weekend off,

1025
00:53:59,747 --> 00:54:00,347
Speaker 20: It's gonna.

1026
00:54:00,147 --> 00:54:03,947
Speaker 2: Be great, James. Thanks indeed. James O'Connor, heck, can you

1027
00:54:04,027 --> 00:54:06,827
Speaker 2: not like him? He seems like a real good rooster,

1028
00:54:06,907 --> 00:54:10,867
Speaker 2: doesn't he. James O'Connor Loving life in christ Church, Loving

1029
00:54:10,907 --> 00:54:14,427
Speaker 2: life with the Crusaders. The Crusaders loving life with James

1030
00:54:14,507 --> 00:54:18,227
Speaker 2: O'Connor and the team, and they've clearly they're clearly getting

1031
00:54:18,227 --> 00:54:20,667
Speaker 2: the best out of him. Interesting to hear him saying

1032
00:54:20,667 --> 00:54:22,827
Speaker 2: that it didn't come as a surprise that of course

1033
00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:26,707
Speaker 2: he wants to start. Was it Clayton McMillan who said

1034
00:54:26,707 --> 00:54:28,627
Speaker 2: on the show a few weeks ago, I've never met

1035
00:54:28,627 --> 00:54:30,827
Speaker 2: a player who didn't want to start. Even though they

1036
00:54:31,187 --> 00:54:33,747
Speaker 2: talk about the impact roles now being as important as

1037
00:54:33,787 --> 00:54:36,467
Speaker 2: your starters and how it's a twenty three man game

1038
00:54:36,507 --> 00:54:38,747
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing, there is still something

1039
00:54:38,787 --> 00:54:42,307
Speaker 2: about starting a game of rugby that is coveted, priced

1040
00:54:42,387 --> 00:54:45,947
Speaker 2: among top players, among any player. But James O'Connor has

1041
00:54:45,987 --> 00:54:48,987
Speaker 2: come off the bench in eight of the nine matches

1042
00:54:49,907 --> 00:54:51,787
Speaker 2: that the Crusaders have played the year, so he's played

1043
00:54:51,787 --> 00:54:54,107
Speaker 2: in every single game. The only game he started, actually,

1044
00:54:54,107 --> 00:54:59,907
Speaker 2: oddly enough, was the loss to Mwana PACIFICA Apart from that,

1045
00:54:59,987 --> 00:55:01,507
Speaker 2: he's come off the bench in every single game. I

1046
00:55:01,507 --> 00:55:04,187
Speaker 2: was checking out his minutes as well. He tends to

1047
00:55:04,187 --> 00:55:07,667
Speaker 2: come on around the hour mark. He came on slightly

1048
00:55:07,707 --> 00:55:10,547
Speaker 2: earlier against the Chiefs and the loss in round two,

1049
00:55:10,587 --> 00:55:13,827
Speaker 2: but it's normally around the hour mark, and even last

1050
00:55:13,907 --> 00:55:16,147
Speaker 2: night he didn't come on until the sixty sixth minutes.

1051
00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:17,627
Speaker 2: So once you're on there, you don't have a heck

1052
00:55:17,667 --> 00:55:19,867
Speaker 2: of a lot of time to make an impact. But

1053
00:55:20,267 --> 00:55:22,787
Speaker 2: a couple of penalties allbit right in front you expect

1054
00:55:22,827 --> 00:55:25,187
Speaker 2: a guy like him to make them. He's been a

1055
00:55:25,307 --> 00:55:30,547
Speaker 2: terrific addition. So the Crusaders are clearly clearly over their

1056
00:55:30,587 --> 00:55:34,387
Speaker 2: blip from last year and now we can officially say

1057
00:55:35,107 --> 00:55:38,147
Speaker 2: it was just a blip. And again great insight there

1058
00:55:39,067 --> 00:55:43,907
Speaker 2: from James O'Connor about how unacceptable twenty twenty four was

1059
00:55:44,987 --> 00:55:50,947
Speaker 2: and how determined the Crusaders organization was to put it right. Look,

1060
00:55:50,947 --> 00:55:54,867
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd say that they are the absolutely

1061
00:55:54,987 --> 00:55:58,347
Speaker 2: dominant force of some of the past seasons where they

1062
00:55:58,427 --> 00:56:01,427
Speaker 2: were far and away the best side. But they're all

1063
00:56:01,467 --> 00:56:04,827
Speaker 2: but locked in for the top six now pole positioned

1064
00:56:04,827 --> 00:56:08,427
Speaker 2: to finish top. Their remaining games got a reasonably tricky running.

1065
00:56:08,427 --> 00:56:10,867
Speaker 2: They're still going to play the Highlanders twice. They haven't

1066
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:14,867
Speaker 2: played the Highlanders yet and there's always a Southern rivalry

1067
00:56:14,947 --> 00:56:19,027
Speaker 2: to be had when you play the Highlanders. So next

1068
00:56:19,107 --> 00:56:22,907
Speaker 2: weekend it's down to Dunedin for the Crusaders to take

1069
00:56:22,907 --> 00:56:26,347
Speaker 2: on the Highlanders, and then into May their final four games.

1070
00:56:26,387 --> 00:56:29,947
Speaker 2: They host the Chiefs tough, go to Sydney to take

1071
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:32,787
Speaker 2: on the Warators, tough because the Warritars haven't lost at

1072
00:56:32,787 --> 00:56:36,827
Speaker 2: home yet, then they host the Highlanders and finished with

1073
00:56:36,867 --> 00:56:38,587
Speaker 2: a trip to Canberra to take on the Brumby. So

1074
00:56:38,787 --> 00:56:44,387
Speaker 2: it's by no means an easy running. But you look

1075
00:56:44,387 --> 00:56:46,747
Speaker 2: at the Crusaders and the way they're playing, and it

1076
00:56:47,107 --> 00:56:52,027
Speaker 2: just feels like the Crusaders again, doesn't it, Kevin says

1077
00:56:52,307 --> 00:56:54,987
Speaker 2: Piney agree with your thoughts on fletcher' neyal eighty minutes

1078
00:56:55,067 --> 00:56:56,787
Speaker 2: last night for Fletcher and Ewell. When was the last

1079
00:56:56,787 --> 00:57:02,947
Speaker 2: time a prop played eighty minutes? When was the last

1080
00:57:02,987 --> 00:57:07,947
Speaker 2: time a front row forward got through eighty minutes? A

1081
00:57:07,987 --> 00:57:09,387
Speaker 2: lot of the time now they're coming off in the

1082
00:57:09,387 --> 00:57:13,427
Speaker 2: fiftieth and Fletcher null was the dominant force in that

1083
00:57:14,587 --> 00:57:18,667
Speaker 2: scrum penalty at the end. It was on his side

1084
00:57:19,547 --> 00:57:24,707
Speaker 2: that he forced the infringement from the Blues mode into them. Look,

1085
00:57:24,747 --> 00:57:27,347
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot about front row front row

1086
00:57:28,427 --> 00:57:31,907
Speaker 2: you know, mechanics, but it seemed like it was on

1087
00:57:31,907 --> 00:57:37,787
Speaker 2: his side. So Fletcher, yule ye just keep guys on.

1088
00:57:38,467 --> 00:57:40,907
Speaker 2: I mean they won't they won't do it. They won't

1089
00:57:40,947 --> 00:57:42,947
Speaker 2: do it. The twenty three man game and all that.

1090
00:57:43,507 --> 00:57:47,107
Speaker 2: But yeah, Fletcher Yule, another example of how keeping a

1091
00:57:47,107 --> 00:57:49,867
Speaker 2: bloke on in the position where normally they don't last

1092
00:57:49,867 --> 00:57:53,107
Speaker 2: the eighty minutes can be extremely valuable. Just on the Blues.

1093
00:57:53,427 --> 00:57:55,667
Speaker 2: And we'll take some calls, oh eight hundred and eighty

1094
00:57:55,747 --> 00:57:59,267
Speaker 2: ten eighty on the game last night on the Crusaders,

1095
00:57:59,267 --> 00:58:01,107
Speaker 2: are they back? And on the Blues. I still think

1096
00:58:01,147 --> 00:58:04,947
Speaker 2: the Blues make the top six. You look at the

1097
00:58:04,987 --> 00:58:08,227
Speaker 2: table at the moment and the eighth but there's still

1098
00:58:08,227 --> 00:58:11,987
Speaker 2: only three points outside the top six, although the teams

1099
00:58:12,947 --> 00:58:15,187
Speaker 2: in the top six, with the exception of the Crusaders,

1100
00:58:15,827 --> 00:58:18,067
Speaker 2: have all played one fewer game and they'll make that

1101
00:58:18,147 --> 00:58:22,347
Speaker 2: game up over the rest of this weekend. The Blues

1102
00:58:22,507 --> 00:58:27,107
Speaker 2: just three wins from nine, but their remaining games I

1103
00:58:27,187 --> 00:58:31,547
Speaker 2: feel are a bit more manageable. They don't play any

1104
00:58:31,587 --> 00:58:34,027
Speaker 2: more New Zealand derbies as such, they do play more

1105
00:58:34,067 --> 00:58:39,027
Speaker 2: Onana Pacifica, so let's call that a derby, but that's

1106
00:58:39,067 --> 00:58:41,307
Speaker 2: the only other New Zealand side that they will play.

1107
00:58:41,347 --> 00:58:46,147
Speaker 2: They're off to take on the Reds on Anzac Day

1108
00:58:46,227 --> 00:58:49,387
Speaker 2: and then for their last four games, they host the Force,

1109
00:58:50,027 --> 00:58:52,387
Speaker 2: they travel up to Fiji to Suva to take on

1110
00:58:52,387 --> 00:58:56,547
Speaker 2: the Fiji and Drewer. They go across town to Albany

1111
00:58:56,627 --> 00:58:59,427
Speaker 2: to take on Moana Pacifica, and they finish by hosting

1112
00:58:59,467 --> 00:59:03,267
Speaker 2: the Warritars. I still think the Blues make the top six.

1113
00:59:04,507 --> 00:59:06,827
Speaker 2: I feel like they've got enough point still on the

1114
00:59:06,867 --> 00:59:10,107
Speaker 2: table and enough quality to do it. Yes, you look

1115
00:59:10,107 --> 00:59:14,107
Speaker 2: at their record, it ain't great this season. Just the

1116
00:59:14,147 --> 00:59:16,787
Speaker 2: three wins, two of those against the Hurricanes, and they

1117
00:59:16,827 --> 00:59:19,347
Speaker 2: also beat one to Pacific Or at Eaton Park last weekend.

1118
00:59:19,787 --> 00:59:23,067
Speaker 2: I still think the Blues squeak in one twenty five

1119
00:59:23,147 --> 00:59:24,427
Speaker 2: this take a break, come back with some of your

1120
00:59:24,427 --> 00:59:26,427
Speaker 2: calls eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1121
00:59:26,547 --> 00:59:30,307
Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside call eight hundred eighty eighty Weekends

1122
00:59:30,347 --> 00:59:33,827
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1123
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1124
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Speaker 2: One eight on News Talks HEB. This round of Super

1125
00:59:40,227 --> 00:59:44,067
Speaker 2: Rugby actually continues very shortly up in Lautoka where the

1126
00:59:44,667 --> 00:59:47,387
Speaker 2: Fiji and Drewer are getting set to do battle with

1127
00:59:47,427 --> 00:59:50,227
Speaker 2: the war Its five past two. We'll get We'll get

1128
00:59:50,267 --> 00:59:51,707
Speaker 2: eyes on that for you after two o'clock.

1129
00:59:51,747 --> 00:59:55,667
Speaker 21: Hello, John, you're gonna fini there?

1130
00:59:55,667 --> 00:59:56,747
Speaker 3: Are you good?

1131
00:59:56,787 --> 00:59:58,787
Speaker 2: Thank you? John? How are you today?

1132
00:59:59,587 --> 01:00:01,587
Speaker 21: Not too bad? I love to just want to talk

1133
01:00:01,627 --> 01:00:08,827
Speaker 21: about and lot of talk about him, but Mama makes

1134
01:00:08,867 --> 01:00:12,307
Speaker 21: who watch him for a long time and he does

1135
01:00:12,467 --> 01:00:16,867
Speaker 21: nothing on the field. He is possibly the worst super

1136
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:18,827
Speaker 21: rugby player out there.

1137
01:00:19,827 --> 01:00:20,307
Speaker 1: And I'm.

1138
01:00:21,707 --> 01:00:25,387
Speaker 21: Pretty passionate about this one. So I always find it

1139
01:00:25,467 --> 01:00:30,187
Speaker 21: interesting when I hear you guys raving about him.

1140
01:00:30,267 --> 01:00:32,387
Speaker 2: That's such an interesting thing to hear you say, John,

1141
01:00:34,387 --> 01:00:36,747
Speaker 2: what is it about him that that doesn't ring your bell?

1142
01:00:38,547 --> 01:00:40,707
Speaker 21: Well, he's just got to watch him around the field, mate.

1143
01:00:41,147 --> 01:00:44,467
Speaker 21: He doesn't make tackles. He gets to a ruck and

1144
01:00:44,547 --> 01:00:48,267
Speaker 21: he stands with his arm out. He leans on rucks,

1145
01:00:48,707 --> 01:00:51,547
Speaker 21: he doesn't I've never seen him clean a ruck hard.

1146
01:00:52,067 --> 01:00:54,547
Speaker 21: He'll get there and he'll just push a weaverit gimly.

1147
01:00:55,227 --> 01:00:57,707
Speaker 21: He just doesn't hit the mate. You watch him, You

1148
01:00:57,787 --> 01:01:00,907
Speaker 21: watch him next game around the field, and you'll see

1149
01:01:00,907 --> 01:01:01,667
Speaker 21: how bad he is.

1150
01:01:02,827 --> 01:01:05,267
Speaker 2: I'm going to, John, I'm going to I don't typically

1151
01:01:05,307 --> 01:01:07,867
Speaker 2: watch the like you know can at a game, less

1152
01:01:07,907 --> 01:01:10,027
Speaker 2: so on television, but when you're at a game. Next

1153
01:01:10,027 --> 01:01:11,947
Speaker 2: time I get the chance to watch Fletch and you'll live.

1154
01:01:12,027 --> 01:01:14,467
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch him and only him for about

1155
01:01:14,467 --> 01:01:17,147
Speaker 2: ten minutes, and then I'll be able to form an opinion,

1156
01:01:18,667 --> 01:01:19,547
Speaker 2: even go back.

1157
01:01:19,347 --> 01:01:21,587
Speaker 21: And watch last night's game or any of the games

1158
01:01:21,627 --> 01:01:24,747
Speaker 21: before I am. You know, it's just yeah, yeah, he's

1159
01:01:24,787 --> 01:01:28,267
Speaker 21: a passenger. He's got the best seat in the house

1160
01:01:28,307 --> 01:01:29,067
Speaker 21: for a spectator.

1161
01:01:29,107 --> 01:01:32,507
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that, all right on interesting call mate,

1162
01:01:32,627 --> 01:01:34,627
Speaker 2: Thank you for thank you for coming through with that.

1163
01:01:34,947 --> 01:01:35,107
Speaker 9: Look.

1164
01:01:35,147 --> 01:01:37,627
Speaker 2: I get the feeling that if he was, he wouldn't

1165
01:01:37,627 --> 01:01:40,707
Speaker 2: be playing eighty minutes. But yeah, look, it's funny, isn't it.

1166
01:01:40,747 --> 01:01:44,467
Speaker 2: You know what different people see in different players. Thanks John,

1167
01:01:44,467 --> 01:01:46,627
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to call Phil.

1168
01:01:46,627 --> 01:01:49,427
Speaker 12: Hello, okay, plenty, feel good.

1169
01:01:49,907 --> 01:01:51,667
Speaker 2: I'm good things Phil, very good.

1170
01:01:52,587 --> 01:01:53,347
Speaker 10: Excellent, excellent.

1171
01:01:53,467 --> 01:01:55,507
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was an interesting call, wasn't it.

1172
01:01:55,547 --> 01:01:56,427
Speaker 17: I who would there?

1173
01:01:56,467 --> 01:01:59,467
Speaker 12: I have to watch myself now and take a real look,

1174
01:01:59,627 --> 01:02:02,187
Speaker 12: because yeah, I didn't pick those sort of things up either.

1175
01:02:02,827 --> 01:02:04,507
Speaker 2: I'm going to check the stats as well. I'm going

1176
01:02:04,547 --> 01:02:06,707
Speaker 2: to check the stats on this because I know you

1177
01:02:06,707 --> 01:02:09,987
Speaker 2: can only tell so many from much from stats, but well,

1178
01:02:10,427 --> 01:02:12,907
Speaker 2: well here's the here's the one stat that I can

1179
01:02:12,987 --> 01:02:14,667
Speaker 2: that I can say is that Fletcher and y'all has

1180
01:02:14,667 --> 01:02:19,947
Speaker 2: started seven or sorry eight of the crusaders nine games

1181
01:02:20,547 --> 01:02:22,387
Speaker 2: this year and come off the bench and the other one.

1182
01:02:22,427 --> 01:02:26,707
Speaker 2: So clearly he's highly valued inside the organization because he

1183
01:02:26,987 --> 01:02:28,027
Speaker 2: gets picked every week.

1184
01:02:29,227 --> 01:02:32,107
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, well that would say that the coach definitely

1185
01:02:32,187 --> 01:02:36,707
Speaker 12: thinks different or sees it differently to that fella I've.

1186
01:02:36,547 --> 01:02:38,507
Speaker 2: Just been told. Also, Phil, sorry, man, I'm gonna I'm

1187
01:02:38,547 --> 01:02:40,227
Speaker 2: gonna let you get on to your point in a minute.

1188
01:02:40,307 --> 01:02:42,307
Speaker 2: But and it's just told me, fletch and you'll made

1189
01:02:42,347 --> 01:02:46,387
Speaker 2: thirteen tackles last night. So that's that would seem to

1190
01:02:46,387 --> 01:02:51,147
Speaker 2: go against what John just said. Thirteen tackles. That's that's

1191
01:02:51,147 --> 01:02:53,867
Speaker 2: a reasonable number anyway, Phil, what's on your mind?

1192
01:02:55,547 --> 01:02:58,387
Speaker 12: Well, well I'll try and ratle off a few a

1193
01:02:58,387 --> 01:03:01,547
Speaker 12: few of them because I was I missed out and

1194
01:03:01,627 --> 01:03:05,387
Speaker 12: getting through before. But sabbatical, Yeah, I don't know what

1195
01:03:05,427 --> 01:03:08,347
Speaker 12: you'd call it now, a time away or just going

1196
01:03:08,427 --> 01:03:11,067
Speaker 12: away or that, because yeah, it may be sabbatical isn't

1197
01:03:11,227 --> 01:03:13,587
Speaker 12: quite the right word now, but it's hard to think

1198
01:03:13,587 --> 01:03:16,547
Speaker 12: of what one one specific word would be to sum

1199
01:03:16,587 --> 01:03:20,107
Speaker 12: it up. There was one a lady said something about

1200
01:03:20,147 --> 01:03:23,547
Speaker 12: that sounded similar to us about sirconment maybe a secondment,

1201
01:03:23,667 --> 01:03:28,827
Speaker 12: because then you're not it's not kind of the inference,

1202
01:03:28,907 --> 01:03:32,547
Speaker 12: is it that as a holiday kind of involved in it.

1203
01:03:33,307 --> 01:03:35,427
Speaker 17: You're just you're just doing your work.

1204
01:03:35,547 --> 01:03:37,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're doing your work somewhere. Yeah, you're doing the

1205
01:03:37,547 --> 01:03:40,747
Speaker 2: same work somewhere else. Yeah. The comments not bad. It

1206
01:03:41,067 --> 01:03:42,907
Speaker 2: always seems to I mean, all of these, all of

1207
01:03:42,907 --> 01:03:44,507
Speaker 2: these phrases tend to sort of, you know, have a

1208
01:03:44,507 --> 01:03:47,867
Speaker 2: bit of a business feel about them, don't. I know,

1209
01:03:47,907 --> 01:03:49,747
Speaker 2: sport as a business, but it's not the same as

1210
01:03:49,867 --> 01:03:52,147
Speaker 2: you know, like a you know, a high ranking chief

1211
01:03:52,187 --> 01:03:55,947
Speaker 2: executive getting a sircondment to another country. Anyway, anyway, Yeah,

1212
01:03:55,947 --> 01:03:57,507
Speaker 2: we can, we can, we can come up. I'm sure

1213
01:03:57,547 --> 01:03:59,267
Speaker 2: we'll come up with the word that that fits it

1214
01:03:59,307 --> 01:04:00,147
Speaker 2: at some stage.

1215
01:04:00,907 --> 01:04:03,067
Speaker 12: Okay, yes, yeah, I'm sure sure something will come out

1216
01:04:03,067 --> 01:04:03,587
Speaker 12: of the wood work.

1217
01:04:03,907 --> 01:04:04,107
Speaker 18: Now.

1218
01:04:04,187 --> 01:04:07,627
Speaker 12: I was listening to I'll make another quick point and

1219
01:04:07,627 --> 01:04:10,107
Speaker 12: then if I've got time, I'll get on and make

1220
01:04:10,187 --> 01:04:11,987
Speaker 12: one more quick point. But I was saying to Andy,

1221
01:04:12,027 --> 01:04:14,667
Speaker 12: like when I was sort of thinking about the callers

1222
01:04:14,707 --> 01:04:19,187
Speaker 12: calling up about the game, and I think, you know,

1223
01:04:19,267 --> 01:04:22,387
Speaker 12: like justin Marshall said afterwards, we're gone by the statistics

1224
01:04:22,387 --> 01:04:24,947
Speaker 12: on that game. The Blue should have won that because

1225
01:04:24,947 --> 01:04:29,947
Speaker 12: they bet the Crusaders and just about every department just statistically,

1226
01:04:30,027 --> 01:04:34,107
Speaker 12: you know. But I was thinking, sometimes in sport, it's

1227
01:04:34,147 --> 01:04:37,027
Speaker 12: not about the better team on the day, it's about

1228
01:04:37,067 --> 01:04:39,627
Speaker 12: the grind that the team that grinds it out, you know,

1229
01:04:39,707 --> 01:04:43,307
Speaker 12: and casts it out, you know. So like when I

1230
01:04:43,347 --> 01:04:45,667
Speaker 12: got taught to play golf, the guy that coached me,

1231
01:04:46,787 --> 01:04:48,867
Speaker 12: he said, I remember one of the things he said

1232
01:04:48,907 --> 01:04:51,307
Speaker 12: to me was, there's no room to write how you've

1233
01:04:51,347 --> 01:04:53,947
Speaker 12: done it on the scorecard, just the final result. So

1234
01:04:54,067 --> 01:04:56,067
Speaker 12: you might make a birdie, but you might never have

1235
01:04:56,147 --> 01:04:58,867
Speaker 12: touched the fairway or a par, you know, but at

1236
01:04:58,867 --> 01:05:00,547
Speaker 12: the end of the day, it just goes down as

1237
01:05:00,547 --> 01:05:02,867
Speaker 12: a par or a birdie. So I thought that was

1238
01:05:02,867 --> 01:05:04,787
Speaker 12: a good point because that's what I just thought, Yeah,

1239
01:05:04,827 --> 01:05:07,387
Speaker 12: maybe it's just about the team winsor is the grind

1240
01:05:07,387 --> 01:05:10,587
Speaker 12: and more so important than the actual better team statistically

1241
01:05:10,587 --> 01:05:14,147
Speaker 12: on the day. I listened to the commentary too with

1242
01:05:15,347 --> 01:05:20,587
Speaker 12: Andy Ellis afterwards after the game and the Beaver the act.

1243
01:05:21,667 --> 01:05:23,747
Speaker 12: But Andy Allis like he was interesting because he was

1244
01:05:23,747 --> 01:05:26,227
Speaker 12: son because he played in the Crusaders all those years

1245
01:05:26,427 --> 01:05:30,227
Speaker 12: and in the winning, winning side, and that it was

1246
01:05:30,267 --> 01:05:32,867
Speaker 12: no surprise to him because he said that he would

1247
01:05:33,067 --> 01:05:35,427
Speaker 12: have thought during the during the week, and that when

1248
01:05:35,427 --> 01:05:38,427
Speaker 12: they were training up for the game and going through stuff,

1249
01:05:38,427 --> 01:05:40,867
Speaker 12: and that that that actually would have been talked about

1250
01:05:40,867 --> 01:05:43,667
Speaker 12: in the plan, and that last couple of minutes or

1251
01:05:43,707 --> 01:05:45,987
Speaker 12: five minutes of the game just like and I think

1252
01:05:46,347 --> 01:05:48,187
Speaker 12: James I kind of kind of referred to it a

1253
01:05:48,187 --> 01:05:51,267
Speaker 12: bit as well, but just to get the ball down there,

1254
01:05:51,667 --> 01:05:55,147
Speaker 12: get it down in their territory, ticket down whether it

1255
01:05:55,147 --> 01:05:57,467
Speaker 12: becomes a little bit of a game of horseback, but

1256
01:05:57,547 --> 01:05:59,667
Speaker 12: get it down there and then just wait for them

1257
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:01,907
Speaker 12: to make the mistake and then hit them with the

1258
01:06:01,947 --> 01:06:06,067
Speaker 12: scrum and then put it in exactly how it happened.

1259
01:06:06,067 --> 01:06:08,747
Speaker 12: So it was like the Crusaders, that was part of

1260
01:06:08,747 --> 01:06:11,747
Speaker 12: the plan anyhow, It's not like they panicked or they

1261
01:06:11,787 --> 01:06:14,947
Speaker 12: got lucky or anything. Well, from what Andy Ellis was saying,

1262
01:06:14,947 --> 01:06:17,427
Speaker 12: that they would have planned for that, and that would

1263
01:06:17,427 --> 01:06:19,347
Speaker 12: have been part of the game plan getting near the

1264
01:06:19,427 --> 01:06:21,027
Speaker 12: end of the game, just to get it down there,

1265
01:06:21,067 --> 01:06:24,307
Speaker 12: wait for the mistake or you know, take a couple

1266
01:06:24,347 --> 01:06:26,307
Speaker 12: of goes at getting it down there and then the

1267
01:06:26,347 --> 01:06:29,107
Speaker 12: mistake happens being hit them hard with the scrum and

1268
01:06:29,147 --> 01:06:31,347
Speaker 12: then they got a penalty scrum. So and that was

1269
01:06:31,427 --> 01:06:34,427
Speaker 12: the way it played out. But I think you're right

1270
01:06:34,507 --> 01:06:38,187
Speaker 12: too with the Blues. I think are still capable of

1271
01:06:38,227 --> 01:06:40,747
Speaker 12: getting in the six, because, like they should have won

1272
01:06:40,787 --> 01:06:43,227
Speaker 12: that game boy all rights last night. But like I say,

1273
01:06:43,907 --> 01:06:47,947
Speaker 12: sometimes the grinder and the team or the individual that

1274
01:06:47,987 --> 01:06:50,507
Speaker 12: tufts it out actually gets there in the end, even

1275
01:06:50,587 --> 01:06:54,667
Speaker 12: though the other player with the other team was better,

1276
01:06:54,707 --> 01:06:57,667
Speaker 12: you know. But I think the Blues were going on

1277
01:06:57,747 --> 01:07:00,347
Speaker 12: that performance can still get in the top six, for sure.

1278
01:07:00,427 --> 01:07:02,227
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Phil, I think they will still

1279
01:07:02,267 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 2: be there. Yeah, I think they will still be there.

1280
01:07:04,707 --> 01:07:06,107
Speaker 2: You know, even though you look at a team after

1281
01:07:06,187 --> 01:07:08,987
Speaker 2: night games that's got a three and six record, you say, well, gee,

1282
01:07:09,027 --> 01:07:11,387
Speaker 2: they're not playing very well and they're not by their

1283
01:07:11,387 --> 01:07:13,867
Speaker 2: own high standards. They're not they're nothing on what they

1284
01:07:13,907 --> 01:07:17,227
Speaker 2: were last year when they storm to the title. But

1285
01:07:17,387 --> 01:07:19,747
Speaker 2: I still think they'll get an Okay, whether they can

1286
01:07:19,787 --> 01:07:22,067
Speaker 2: go beyond you know, the first round of the finals,

1287
01:07:22,107 --> 01:07:24,027
Speaker 2: I guess we'll wait and see, but I still think

1288
01:07:24,067 --> 01:07:26,227
Speaker 2: there is enough points for them, and they've got a

1289
01:07:26,267 --> 01:07:28,747
Speaker 2: slightly more comfortable runner than some of the other teams.

1290
01:07:28,867 --> 01:07:31,587
Speaker 2: Good to chat to you, philp Thanks indeed, Warwick. Any

1291
01:07:31,627 --> 01:07:34,467
Speaker 2: thoughts on Fletcher Yule seeing he came up in conversation

1292
01:07:34,707 --> 01:07:37,107
Speaker 2: just before, Yeah.

1293
01:07:37,067 --> 01:07:41,107
Speaker 23: Jason, I was hello to you first of all. Yeah,

1294
01:07:41,147 --> 01:07:43,827
Speaker 23: I was. I listened to that caller and one hundred

1295
01:07:43,827 --> 01:07:48,907
Speaker 23: percent agree. I've watched. There's been lots of hype about

1296
01:07:48,907 --> 01:07:52,187
Speaker 23: Fletcher Newle, like he's got the bench press record or

1297
01:07:52,227 --> 01:07:55,667
Speaker 23: the squat record, and he's this strong and he's that strong,

1298
01:07:55,667 --> 01:07:58,227
Speaker 23: but it doesn't equate it. It doesn't transfer to his performance

1299
01:07:58,267 --> 01:08:02,707
Speaker 23: on the park. We had limited scrums and that's obviously

1300
01:08:02,787 --> 01:08:05,267
Speaker 23: a strength of his. But a huge part of the

1301
01:08:05,267 --> 01:08:07,667
Speaker 23: game is a contact breakdown situation, and the previous call

1302
01:08:07,787 --> 01:08:12,307
Speaker 23: is correct. He he will hobble from face to phase,

1303
01:08:13,107 --> 01:08:16,947
Speaker 23: he'll lean when he gets there. As a ball carrier,

1304
01:08:17,107 --> 01:08:20,187
Speaker 23: he drops to ground. His head and shoulders face the

1305
01:08:20,227 --> 01:08:24,747
Speaker 23: ground prior to contact, so he makes no ground. He'll

1306
01:08:24,867 --> 01:08:28,467
Speaker 23: just drop where someone that's supposed to be such a

1307
01:08:28,547 --> 01:08:30,827
Speaker 23: champion at the bench press of the squad should be

1308
01:08:30,827 --> 01:08:33,147
Speaker 23: able to drive through tech because you see you see

1309
01:08:33,187 --> 01:08:36,587
Speaker 23: a player like sever Reese who is half his size

1310
01:08:37,187 --> 01:08:39,467
Speaker 23: actually fight in the tackle. He'll fight for that extra

1311
01:08:39,507 --> 01:08:41,787
Speaker 23: two or three meters to get his body positioned in

1312
01:08:41,867 --> 01:08:46,027
Speaker 23: a better place so he can lay the ball back nicely. Fletcher,

1313
01:08:46,027 --> 01:08:47,987
Speaker 23: with all his strength, just doesn't do that, and so

1314
01:08:48,067 --> 01:08:52,427
Speaker 23: he's been a frustrating player for me. They obviously believe

1315
01:08:52,427 --> 01:08:55,907
Speaker 23: in him. He obviously performs in the gym, and he

1316
01:08:55,947 --> 01:08:58,867
Speaker 23: gets his position in the team potentially off the back

1317
01:08:58,867 --> 01:08:59,067
Speaker 23: of that.

1318
01:09:00,107 --> 01:09:02,267
Speaker 2: Laurick, thanks for your call. This is really interesting to me.

1319
01:09:02,307 --> 01:09:06,107
Speaker 2: It's completely unexpected in John's call and then your backup

1320
01:09:06,107 --> 01:09:10,347
Speaker 2: call there. I've just thought, I mean, it's and we

1321
01:09:10,427 --> 01:09:12,667
Speaker 2: often say about front row forwards, it's hard for those

1322
01:09:12,667 --> 01:09:15,467
Speaker 2: who haven't experienced what it's like in the front row

1323
01:09:15,507 --> 01:09:17,747
Speaker 2: and the you know, and the the all around game

1324
01:09:17,787 --> 01:09:20,507
Speaker 2: of a prop forward to know whether sometimes whether a

1325
01:09:20,547 --> 01:09:25,307
Speaker 2: prop's had a good game or not. But clearly you've

1326
01:09:25,307 --> 01:09:27,307
Speaker 2: picked up on something. John's picked up on something. I'm

1327
01:09:27,307 --> 01:09:30,987
Speaker 2: gonna have to give it a bit more examination because clearly,

1328
01:09:31,627 --> 01:09:36,027
Speaker 2: clearly there is some some divided opinion here. He made

1329
01:09:36,067 --> 01:09:40,347
Speaker 2: thirteen tackles last night, as Andy pointed out, so I

1330
01:09:40,387 --> 01:09:43,187
Speaker 2: think by that metric it's pretty good. Yards made is

1331
01:09:43,387 --> 01:09:46,867
Speaker 2: a good one to have a look at also, you know,

1332
01:09:46,947 --> 01:09:48,947
Speaker 2: clean outs and those sorts of things, which you've indicated

1333
01:09:48,987 --> 01:09:50,587
Speaker 2: and John did as well. I'm going to try and

1334
01:09:50,587 --> 01:09:52,147
Speaker 2: dig up those stats and have a look. Well, I

1335
01:09:52,187 --> 01:09:56,147
Speaker 2: appreciate you call though all opinion. Welcome on the show, Graham.

1336
01:09:56,147 --> 01:09:56,707
Speaker 9: Do you have a view?

1337
01:09:56,787 --> 01:09:59,667
Speaker 2: You must have a view on Fletch and newle Well.

1338
01:10:00,267 --> 01:10:04,027
Speaker 11: I find it interesting what they're saying. But yeah, I

1339
01:10:04,067 --> 01:10:06,267
Speaker 11: mean I've always seen him as a great scrimmaging prop.

1340
01:10:07,507 --> 01:10:10,027
Speaker 11: He's a big boy. He's not the Taurst, but he's uh,

1341
01:10:10,667 --> 01:10:13,427
Speaker 11: he's a solid unit. He's got Collige flower ears for

1342
01:10:14,347 --> 01:10:21,027
Speaker 11: the worst pair of ears that you could ever see. Yeah,

1343
01:10:21,027 --> 01:10:23,987
Speaker 11: but he's I think he's a great player. But I mean, yeah,

1344
01:10:23,987 --> 01:10:27,307
Speaker 11: these people are entitled to his opinion. I mean Jason

1345
01:10:27,387 --> 01:10:30,387
Speaker 11: Ryan and Dan Perrin who now now runs the Scrums,

1346
01:10:30,387 --> 01:10:33,667
Speaker 11: they rate him highly. You know, it was in the

1347
01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:37,667
Speaker 11: Crusaders and All Blacks. So yeah, I mean yeah, I

1348
01:10:37,667 --> 01:10:42,787
Speaker 11: mean he's part of that that demolition squad which Crusaders

1349
01:10:42,787 --> 01:10:44,427
Speaker 11: has sort of gone back to her. But in the

1350
01:10:44,507 --> 01:10:47,267
Speaker 11: last few weeks since he lost him on one in PACIFICA, yeah,

1351
01:10:47,387 --> 01:10:51,267
Speaker 11: I mean they had to tighten things up and so

1352
01:10:51,347 --> 01:10:53,307
Speaker 11: I think, yeah, I was at the game. Obviously it

1353
01:10:53,387 --> 01:10:57,107
Speaker 11: was terrible conditions and we were guilty of probably both

1354
01:10:57,147 --> 01:11:00,027
Speaker 11: teams are trying to run the ball. But yeah, I

1355
01:11:00,107 --> 01:11:02,187
Speaker 11: was very you know, I was very happy with what

1356
01:11:02,507 --> 01:11:04,827
Speaker 11: James a Connor did. Great interview by the way. Yeah,

1357
01:11:04,827 --> 01:11:07,187
Speaker 11: I mean he's a great guy and.

1358
01:11:06,787 --> 01:11:10,867
Speaker 2: He's pretty easy, pretty easy, Yeah, pretty easy interview James.

1359
01:11:10,667 --> 01:11:12,467
Speaker 2: He seems like a real good guy.

1360
01:11:13,387 --> 01:11:15,187
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean a lot of That's something I will

1361
01:11:15,187 --> 01:11:17,387
Speaker 11: say about a lot of Australian rugby people. I remember

1362
01:11:17,387 --> 01:11:19,667
Speaker 11: meeting Nick far Jones at all those guys years ago,

1363
01:11:19,707 --> 01:11:22,827
Speaker 11: and like the South Wales played Canterbury and they were

1364
01:11:23,787 --> 01:11:27,827
Speaker 11: very yeah, very generous. Yeah they're coming to the supporters

1365
01:11:27,827 --> 01:11:30,627
Speaker 11: club and they were good guys and games sort of

1366
01:11:30,627 --> 01:11:32,907
Speaker 11: fits that model. But yeah, I mean he's brought a

1367
01:11:34,107 --> 01:11:37,467
Speaker 11: new perspective and I think he's really helped other players

1368
01:11:37,467 --> 01:11:41,187
Speaker 11: around him, like David Averi. Well, David's done it himself,

1369
01:11:41,267 --> 01:11:44,387
Speaker 11: has taken on the captaincy and you know I wouldn't

1370
01:11:44,427 --> 01:11:46,107
Speaker 11: have picked him as a captain a few years ago,

1371
01:11:46,187 --> 01:11:48,827
Speaker 11: but that he's really grown into that, well he's just

1372
01:11:48,907 --> 01:11:51,707
Speaker 11: ready for it. He hasn't probably grown into it. They

1373
01:11:52,107 --> 01:11:54,267
Speaker 11: put a lot of time into who they were going

1374
01:11:54,307 --> 01:11:56,387
Speaker 11: to have because there are a few candidates and.

1375
01:11:57,067 --> 01:12:01,467
Speaker 2: Very good plan, very very very good plan. Yeah, sorry David, Hey.

1376
01:12:01,787 --> 01:12:05,627
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, he's playing. Yeah, he's playing a lot better.

1377
01:12:05,707 --> 01:12:07,547
Speaker 11: I mean last year, I think he's seen there but

1378
01:12:07,627 --> 01:12:09,307
Speaker 11: in and out and they played him at first five

1379
01:12:09,387 --> 01:12:12,947
Speaker 11: and because of the quandary about that position. But now

1380
01:12:13,027 --> 01:12:16,307
Speaker 11: that's not the case. But no, the Blues will be

1381
01:12:16,387 --> 01:12:19,147
Speaker 11: in or I mean there's enough time for them to

1382
01:12:19,187 --> 01:12:22,707
Speaker 11: be in the top six. Yeah, I think it's going

1383
01:12:22,787 --> 01:12:25,347
Speaker 11: to be a bit of a dog fight though, it's

1384
01:12:25,387 --> 01:12:27,187
Speaker 11: going to be interesting to see.

1385
01:12:26,987 --> 01:12:28,507
Speaker 2: Your guys will your guys will stay out of a

1386
01:12:28,547 --> 01:12:31,307
Speaker 2: gram clear at the top made it'll be all the

1387
01:12:31,427 --> 01:12:33,787
Speaker 2: chaos below you. You don't have to worry about it.

1388
01:12:33,987 --> 01:12:35,307
Speaker 2: Going to move to one more call mate, Thanks for

1389
01:12:35,347 --> 01:12:37,947
Speaker 2: your call as always a j high.

1390
01:12:38,027 --> 01:12:39,747
Speaker 6: Yeah, get a funny here, gain mate.

1391
01:12:39,747 --> 01:12:40,947
Speaker 2: Very good, AJ, very good.

1392
01:12:40,947 --> 01:12:41,147
Speaker 9: Thanks.

1393
01:12:41,187 --> 01:12:42,107
Speaker 2: Watch on your mind.

1394
01:12:42,547 --> 01:12:44,747
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm very disappointed the Mark untill he has going

1395
01:12:44,787 --> 01:12:47,107
Speaker 6: a little bit. I think he's been the best winger

1396
01:12:47,187 --> 01:12:48,947
Speaker 6: for perhaps four years, to be honest with you, and

1397
01:12:48,987 --> 01:12:52,227
Speaker 6: he's a bit different than any any other of our

1398
01:12:52,227 --> 01:12:54,947
Speaker 6: wingers in New Zealand. Like he offers something a bit different.

1399
01:12:54,987 --> 01:12:58,627
Speaker 6: It's like Chelsea Chelsea Kobe from the South Aga and

1400
01:12:58,707 --> 01:13:01,267
Speaker 6: here's something different about him and whatnot. He's just got

1401
01:13:01,267 --> 01:13:04,467
Speaker 6: a different demental and he's very good around the rock

1402
01:13:04,507 --> 01:13:07,107
Speaker 6: and mall. But then he's very good players one on

1403
01:13:07,107 --> 01:13:10,787
Speaker 6: one on the outside in very region. It is essentially strong,

1404
01:13:10,987 --> 01:13:13,387
Speaker 6: very close to line or keeping himself in touch. You

1405
01:13:13,387 --> 01:13:15,827
Speaker 6: think nine times ten people but the wan the touch,

1406
01:13:16,107 --> 01:13:17,947
Speaker 6: but he seems to stay in the field. And that's

1407
01:13:17,947 --> 01:13:18,747
Speaker 6: the final read.

1408
01:13:18,867 --> 01:13:22,067
Speaker 2: Ringer slippery, very slippery, a j very slippery.

1409
01:13:22,267 --> 01:13:22,467
Speaker 9: Yes.

1410
01:13:23,307 --> 01:13:26,267
Speaker 6: And also I thought I haven't been a Bigness fan,

1411
01:13:26,627 --> 01:13:28,427
Speaker 6: and we've talked about it before, but I thought the

1412
01:13:28,427 --> 01:13:31,987
Speaker 6: Hoskins are tit. Hoskins are tota. Surry had his best

1413
01:13:31,987 --> 01:13:34,387
Speaker 6: game for the Blues and quite some time last night.

1414
01:13:34,827 --> 01:13:37,107
Speaker 6: I thought he actually played like all Black number eight

1415
01:13:37,507 --> 01:13:39,907
Speaker 6: last night, and it's good to see his skill level

1416
01:13:39,947 --> 01:13:43,107
Speaker 6: coming out. But on the other side, christ and Leo Willer,

1417
01:13:43,187 --> 01:13:45,707
Speaker 6: you also had a very good game. But on good

1418
01:13:45,707 --> 01:13:49,067
Speaker 6: news front, for my teeth, Wallace is not there far away,

1419
01:13:49,587 --> 01:13:52,587
Speaker 6: Josh Lauda is not there far away, and and we're

1420
01:13:52,587 --> 01:13:55,787
Speaker 6: going to look forward to antolineam Brown because that decease

1421
01:13:55,867 --> 01:13:57,707
Speaker 6: Backine are not the same without him and there and

1422
01:13:57,747 --> 01:13:59,307
Speaker 6: I think it's the same with the All Blacks reality.

1423
01:13:59,427 --> 01:14:01,827
Speaker 6: I think he offers us such a dimention and number

1424
01:14:01,907 --> 01:14:04,747
Speaker 6: thirteen and at the moment reco you, Ronie will not

1425
01:14:04,787 --> 01:14:07,267
Speaker 6: be in more All Black team to be hones.

1426
01:14:07,467 --> 01:14:09,427
Speaker 2: Thanks, Aj, we'll all be. I think you'll beat the

1427
01:14:09,467 --> 01:14:12,507
Speaker 2: Highlanders tonight. I mean, I know that's not a bold claim.

1428
01:14:13,627 --> 01:14:16,107
Speaker 2: I think you're well and truly favorites. I let my

1429
01:14:16,147 --> 01:14:18,307
Speaker 2: eyes in about three places tonight. Age. I'll be watching

1430
01:14:18,347 --> 01:14:20,187
Speaker 2: that awkleany the f C play at the same time,

1431
01:14:20,227 --> 01:14:21,907
Speaker 2: and so do the Warriors. I don't think you'll have

1432
01:14:21,987 --> 01:14:26,747
Speaker 2: enough screens, mate, Thanks for your call a Jake Fletcher,

1433
01:14:26,787 --> 01:14:28,147
Speaker 2: all for a player doesn't do much. He gets a

1434
01:14:28,187 --> 01:14:30,667
Speaker 2: lot of turnover ball, says Grump and Mussius. The Frank's

1435
01:14:30,667 --> 01:14:32,627
Speaker 2: brothers weren't there to score trials and make tackles either.

1436
01:14:32,747 --> 01:14:34,467
Speaker 2: They were their solely the scrum. You have to dominate

1437
01:14:34,547 --> 01:14:38,987
Speaker 2: up front first and foremost. Yeah, well, he certainly earned

1438
01:14:39,027 --> 01:14:42,027
Speaker 2: the scrum penalty that got the win for the Crusaders

1439
01:14:42,067 --> 01:14:44,027
Speaker 2: last night. Seventeen away from two. Let's get a break

1440
01:14:44,027 --> 01:14:46,307
Speaker 2: away across to Australia Adam Peacock after.

1441
01:14:46,147 --> 01:14:50,027
Speaker 1: This love Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport

1442
01:14:50,387 --> 01:14:54,267
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vane and TJ Gunn Homes New

1443
01:14:54,387 --> 01:14:58,147
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talk Envy fourteen to two.

1444
01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:00,947
Speaker 2: Let's get you across the Tasman Our Australian correspondent Adam

1445
01:15:00,987 --> 01:15:03,907
Speaker 2: Peacock is here. Happy Easter, Adam. Can we start with

1446
01:15:03,947 --> 01:15:08,507
Speaker 2: the Lachland Gelvin saga at the West Tiger's dominated headlines

1447
01:15:08,547 --> 01:15:11,427
Speaker 2: this week and broad terms what has played out here?

1448
01:15:11,827 --> 01:15:12,307
Speaker 19: Yeah? Happy?

1449
01:15:12,347 --> 01:15:16,347
Speaker 5: He's the pioneer at of listeners out there are weird,

1450
01:15:16,707 --> 01:15:21,307
Speaker 5: just a weird story. Lock and Galvin pretty much, if

1451
01:15:21,347 --> 01:15:24,347
Speaker 5: not the faced one of the poster boys of the

1452
01:15:24,867 --> 01:15:27,387
Speaker 5: organization West Tigers who have had obviously.

1453
01:15:27,547 --> 01:15:29,507
Speaker 17: Anyone who knows regularly a bit of a time of it.

1454
01:15:29,627 --> 01:15:32,267
Speaker 17: I Woulden Spoon after Wooden Spoon. So this kid's nineteen, he'

1455
01:15:32,267 --> 01:15:34,147
Speaker 17: shon a lot of promise everyone in the game. It's

1456
01:15:34,187 --> 01:15:36,187
Speaker 17: just by the way, by its quality, has a bit

1457
01:15:36,227 --> 01:15:39,427
Speaker 17: to go and has a few years of developing, especially

1458
01:15:39,467 --> 01:15:42,147
Speaker 17: physically left. He's a skinny kid, but he'll get there.

1459
01:15:42,867 --> 01:15:45,587
Speaker 17: But he decides early in the week after a meeting

1460
01:15:45,587 --> 01:15:47,827
Speaker 17: with the club to say, oh, look I don't think

1461
01:15:47,867 --> 01:15:50,027
Speaker 17: I can develop here. I want to go onto the

1462
01:15:50,027 --> 01:15:52,747
Speaker 17: free market on November one, when he's allowed to.

1463
01:15:52,907 --> 01:15:56,027
Speaker 5: He's contracted to this year and next year still. But

1464
01:15:56,107 --> 01:15:58,027
Speaker 5: then the West Tigers thought they'd get ahead of the

1465
01:15:58,027 --> 01:16:00,067
Speaker 5: game and say, look, now you know what, we're going

1466
01:16:00,067 --> 01:16:01,307
Speaker 5: to put this out there that you're not going to

1467
01:16:01,347 --> 01:16:03,587
Speaker 5: be around. And then that's just all blunt up and

1468
01:16:03,667 --> 01:16:05,587
Speaker 5: people are having their opinions that had been.

1469
01:16:05,467 --> 01:16:07,027
Speaker 10: Greedy and tied all all that.

1470
01:16:07,747 --> 01:16:10,947
Speaker 5: It's just so unnecessary and it's a classic case finding

1471
01:16:10,987 --> 01:16:11,947
Speaker 5: of two wrongs.

1472
01:16:12,227 --> 01:16:14,907
Speaker 17: Handling it kind of the wrong way, don't make it right.

1473
01:16:15,387 --> 01:16:17,667
Speaker 17: And in the end, the kid's going to play you.

1474
01:16:17,747 --> 01:16:19,427
Speaker 17: So I was Cup this week, so down the grade

1475
01:16:19,427 --> 01:16:21,067
Speaker 17: he's dropped him. He's probably the right thing to take

1476
01:16:21,067 --> 01:16:23,547
Speaker 17: the heat out of the situation. There was rumors that

1477
01:16:23,667 --> 01:16:26,427
Speaker 17: senior players told Benji Marshall to drop him. They didn't

1478
01:16:26,427 --> 01:16:28,387
Speaker 17: want to play with him. So still got a bit rough.

1479
01:16:28,467 --> 01:16:31,627
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, so will he see out his conflict at the

1480
01:16:31,627 --> 01:16:33,587
Speaker 2: West Tiger's what's the most likely outcome?

1481
01:16:34,747 --> 01:16:37,587
Speaker 5: It was heading this week along the lines of the

1482
01:16:37,667 --> 01:16:38,587
Speaker 5: kids being.

1483
01:16:38,547 --> 01:16:40,107
Speaker 17: Kind of ostracized from the group.

1484
01:16:40,147 --> 01:16:40,907
Speaker 19: I won't say.

1485
01:16:40,827 --> 01:16:45,427
Speaker 17: Bullying, I think that's a bit heavy, but off the

1486
01:16:45,507 --> 01:16:47,947
Speaker 17: page of the rest of the group. So this is

1487
01:16:48,027 --> 01:16:50,107
Speaker 17: going to make a situation untenable and in the end

1488
01:16:51,107 --> 01:16:53,467
Speaker 17: the manager of the agent and the toy's agent. When

1489
01:16:53,467 --> 01:16:58,507
Speaker 17: I say negotiation terms, Isaac moses he's pretty hard negotiator.

1490
01:16:58,907 --> 01:17:02,267
Speaker 17: He'll try and kind of get Galvin out there now

1491
01:17:02,307 --> 01:17:05,147
Speaker 17: whether or not, everything's just cooled and every Sunday is

1492
01:17:05,147 --> 01:17:05,627
Speaker 17: going to prevail.

1493
01:17:05,707 --> 01:17:08,147
Speaker 5: U can hear this year he's still got value for

1494
01:17:08,227 --> 01:17:10,787
Speaker 5: West Tigers. Everyone will get on and smile for a

1495
01:17:10,787 --> 01:17:12,787
Speaker 5: grid of teas and play happy families. I think that's

1496
01:17:12,827 --> 01:17:15,467
Speaker 5: the more likely scenario, given it's cooled off this week,

1497
01:17:15,467 --> 01:17:16,107
Speaker 5: But earlier.

1498
01:17:15,827 --> 01:17:17,107
Speaker 17: In the week it was like, oh, now, where's he

1499
01:17:17,147 --> 01:17:19,307
Speaker 17: going to go? And Paramatta sounds like the most likely

1500
01:17:19,347 --> 01:17:21,227
Speaker 17: option long terms for him, But whether or not that

1501
01:17:21,267 --> 01:17:23,547
Speaker 17: happens before his contract runs out, remys.

1502
01:17:23,307 --> 01:17:25,747
Speaker 2: Be saying, all right, we'll watch with interest. On the field.

1503
01:17:25,827 --> 01:17:29,667
Speaker 2: Last night, Bulldogs Rabbito's massive game, huge crowd in Sydney.

1504
01:17:29,707 --> 01:17:32,547
Speaker 2: The Bulldogs have had a pretty tough few seasons as well,

1505
01:17:32,787 --> 01:17:35,787
Speaker 2: winning thirty two nil. They're four points clear at the.

1506
01:17:35,707 --> 01:17:40,547
Speaker 5: Top now, Yeah, they're flying. They just the modern I

1507
01:17:40,627 --> 01:17:45,307
Speaker 5: was watching actually the Dolphins Storm game last night as well,

1508
01:17:45,387 --> 01:17:47,427
Speaker 5: thinking that the game has just changed so much.

1509
01:17:47,507 --> 01:17:50,987
Speaker 17: You need you need to speed everywhere, and that's like

1510
01:17:51,107 --> 01:17:55,747
Speaker 17: including your bigger guys, who it's no place for lumbering

1511
01:17:55,747 --> 01:17:58,707
Speaker 17: big men anymore, even anyone with a hint of that.

1512
01:17:58,907 --> 01:17:59,867
Speaker 19: It's just so quick.

1513
01:17:59,947 --> 01:18:03,667
Speaker 17: And the Bulldogs they've got that prototypical style which suits

1514
01:18:03,707 --> 01:18:06,787
Speaker 17: the game how it's played today. And they got quick, agile,

1515
01:18:06,867 --> 01:18:09,507
Speaker 17: mobile forwards and they moved the ball, a lot of

1516
01:18:09,627 --> 01:18:11,627
Speaker 17: energy without the ball. Look it was set up for

1517
01:18:11,707 --> 01:18:15,667
Speaker 17: them yesterday. They didn't have a game last week. South

1518
01:18:15,747 --> 01:18:17,947
Speaker 17: had the flight of Perth. They had a really short turnaround,

1519
01:18:17,947 --> 01:18:20,547
Speaker 17: six day turnaround from their last game in Perth, a

1520
01:18:20,587 --> 01:18:22,667
Speaker 17: couple of injuries as well. They were right for the

1521
01:18:22,707 --> 01:18:24,547
Speaker 17: picking in the end and sixty five thousand.

1522
01:18:24,587 --> 01:18:25,507
Speaker 19: They're the Bulldogs.

1523
01:18:25,507 --> 01:18:29,027
Speaker 17: When they're going well, their crowd grows substantially, and that

1524
01:18:29,107 --> 01:18:31,147
Speaker 17: was the case yesterday. So it was a great afternom

1525
01:18:31,147 --> 01:18:32,467
Speaker 17: But I don't think you can read too much into

1526
01:18:32,547 --> 01:18:34,467
Speaker 17: it from a South point of view. You can for Bulldogs,

1527
01:18:34,467 --> 01:18:37,307
Speaker 17: they're pretty much looking at the top four and possibly

1528
01:18:37,347 --> 01:18:37,987
Speaker 17: Grand Finals.

1529
01:18:37,987 --> 01:18:40,787
Speaker 2: This year, it's got a football One of Australia's broadest

1530
01:18:40,827 --> 01:18:43,147
Speaker 2: young talents, Mary Foula, sit for a stint on the

1531
01:18:43,187 --> 01:18:46,467
Speaker 2: sidelines that dreaded acl injury while she was playing for

1532
01:18:46,507 --> 01:18:47,267
Speaker 2: Manchester City.

1533
01:18:48,427 --> 01:18:52,107
Speaker 17: Stinker, pliny, absolute stinker for her. I mean, the only

1534
01:18:52,907 --> 01:18:57,227
Speaker 17: good thing about it from a person a human side

1535
01:18:57,227 --> 01:18:58,947
Speaker 17: of it is that she gets to come back here

1536
01:18:58,987 --> 01:19:00,787
Speaker 17: and hang out with the love of her life name

1537
01:19:00,827 --> 01:19:03,787
Speaker 17: and Cleary. But apart from that, from a football point of.

1538
01:19:03,827 --> 01:19:09,827
Speaker 24: View, bad And for that there's a few murmurs that

1539
01:19:10,467 --> 01:19:12,787
Speaker 24: was it really necessary for her to come back and

1540
01:19:12,787 --> 01:19:15,147
Speaker 24: play these two Matilda's games and be involved in both

1541
01:19:15,147 --> 01:19:15,427
Speaker 24: of them?

1542
01:19:15,867 --> 01:19:19,147
Speaker 5: Quick turn around in between them, go back over there,

1543
01:19:19,267 --> 01:19:20,267
Speaker 5: play at high intensive.

1544
01:19:20,307 --> 01:19:22,187
Speaker 17: She's played more football than she has.

1545
01:19:22,627 --> 01:19:26,787
Speaker 5: Throughout her career this season at her club level, and

1546
01:19:26,267 --> 01:19:29,947
Speaker 5: she's she's finally matured into that game breaking player at

1547
01:19:29,947 --> 01:19:33,947
Speaker 5: that level as well. Yeah, horrible timing. Hopefully she's back

1548
01:19:33,947 --> 01:19:36,747
Speaker 5: to the Asian Cup. But she put a beautiful post

1549
01:19:36,827 --> 01:19:39,227
Speaker 5: up the other day saying, Hey, these things happen and

1550
01:19:38,787 --> 01:19:43,587
Speaker 5: she's a bit of a Yeah, she's a wide thinker, Mary,

1551
01:19:43,627 --> 01:19:46,507
Speaker 5: She's not that tunnel vision elite athlete. I've got to

1552
01:19:46,507 --> 01:19:48,427
Speaker 5: get back cut thing. It's like all these things happen.

1553
01:19:48,467 --> 01:19:49,867
Speaker 5: I'll just have to accept it and do it with

1554
01:19:49,907 --> 01:19:52,147
Speaker 5: a smile on my face. So she's a beautiful soul,

1555
01:19:52,227 --> 01:19:53,787
Speaker 5: Mary Fell, and we wish all the best.

1556
01:19:53,667 --> 01:19:55,627
Speaker 2: Absolutely so do we on the side of the Testament.

1557
01:19:55,667 --> 01:19:59,667
Speaker 2: And staying with football, Ange Pasta Koglu. Of course, with Tottenham,

1558
01:19:59,667 --> 01:20:02,387
Speaker 2: they've been struggling in the Premier League, but they're into

1559
01:20:02,387 --> 01:20:04,827
Speaker 2: the semi finals of the Europa League.

1560
01:20:05,787 --> 01:20:09,107
Speaker 5: Amazing morning yesterday. I don't know if he caught over there, Pioney.

1561
01:20:09,107 --> 01:20:12,347
Speaker 5: We're in the studio to stand for just united lyon

1562
01:20:12,547 --> 01:20:14,707
Speaker 5: and that was that was great out at any school

1563
01:20:14,707 --> 01:20:20,507
Speaker 5: line at the end seventy six and Ang and Tottenham

1564
01:20:20,707 --> 01:20:23,587
Speaker 5: hung on for dear life against the answer Frankfurt really

1565
01:20:23,587 --> 01:20:28,467
Speaker 5: intimidating atmosphere and and I think because of that hangs

1566
01:20:28,467 --> 01:20:29,947
Speaker 5: on to his job. As much as I don't want

1567
01:20:29,987 --> 01:20:31,627
Speaker 5: to describe it that way, I'd like to think that

1568
01:20:31,947 --> 01:20:34,547
Speaker 5: Tottenham were perhaps the bigger picture and all the injuries

1569
01:20:34,547 --> 01:20:36,027
Speaker 5: that they had this year, that can find a way

1570
01:20:36,067 --> 01:20:39,187
Speaker 5: through with Ange. But it was looking decidedly dicey if

1571
01:20:39,227 --> 01:20:40,507
Speaker 5: they went out of Europe yesterday.

1572
01:20:40,547 --> 01:20:42,667
Speaker 17: So they're through to the semifinals. And get this, they

1573
01:20:42,707 --> 01:20:46,027
Speaker 17: played Tottenham Hotspur play in the semifinals of the Europa League,

1574
01:20:46,067 --> 01:20:49,707
Speaker 17: the second tier competition over their club football, Bodo Glint.

1575
01:20:50,027 --> 01:20:53,547
Speaker 17: They're from Norway and you reckon in the cargo's cold, poney.

1576
01:20:53,867 --> 01:20:58,227
Speaker 17: They're two hundred k's north of the Arctic Circle. For

1577
01:20:58,307 --> 01:21:00,627
Speaker 17: three months of the year, this joint doesn't see sunlight.

1578
01:21:01,227 --> 01:21:05,507
Speaker 17: So yeah, they're an extraordinary football club, Boto Glint. But yeah,

1579
01:21:05,627 --> 01:21:09,067
Speaker 17: Tottenham in another are extraordinary given that it's never simple

1580
01:21:09,067 --> 01:21:11,947
Speaker 17: at Tottenham. So yeah, good on and for forgetting a result.

1581
01:21:11,987 --> 01:21:14,587
Speaker 17: And we wish obviously everyone here in Australia and probably

1582
01:21:14,627 --> 01:21:16,267
Speaker 17: anyone who's had anything to do with the A League

1583
01:21:16,267 --> 01:21:18,067
Speaker 17: hopes that he has success there with Spurs.

1584
01:21:18,107 --> 01:21:20,707
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Well, football does take you to far flung

1585
01:21:20,787 --> 01:21:24,347
Speaker 2: places and fairly frozen places to buy the sounds of things.

1586
01:21:24,707 --> 01:21:26,827
Speaker 2: We'll watch that with interest too. Great up that has

1587
01:21:26,827 --> 01:21:28,827
Speaker 2: always Adam. Enjoyed the rest of your estimate, and we'll

1588
01:21:28,827 --> 01:21:30,027
Speaker 2: catch up again next Saturday.

1589
01:21:30,587 --> 01:21:31,947
Speaker 17: Enjoy the eggs finy, Thanks Mane.

1590
01:21:31,987 --> 01:21:35,627
Speaker 2: You enjoy yours as well, Adam, you enjoy yours as well.

1591
01:21:35,627 --> 01:21:36,867
Speaker 2: Seven to two News Talks.

1592
01:21:36,707 --> 01:21:41,267
Speaker 1: EDB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

1593
01:21:41,467 --> 01:21:44,747
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vye they call eight hundred and

1594
01:21:44,787 --> 01:21:46,587
Speaker 1: eight US Talks.

1595
01:21:46,387 --> 01:21:50,067
Speaker 2: MB four to two after two o'clock Silver Firns coach

1596
01:21:50,147 --> 01:21:53,027
Speaker 2: Dame Nolen Total. Does she want Grace Wecky to play

1597
01:21:53,067 --> 01:21:54,947
Speaker 2: for her team this year? I'm pretty sure I know

1598
01:21:54,987 --> 01:21:59,027
Speaker 2: the answer. Does she think it'll happen? I'm not sure

1599
01:21:59,027 --> 01:22:01,707
Speaker 2: about the answer to that, Dame Nolene with us after two.

1600
01:22:01,787 --> 01:22:04,547
Speaker 2: A couple of Super Rugby CEOs on off field matters.

1601
01:22:04,627 --> 01:22:06,947
Speaker 2: Roger Clark out of the Highland is Avon Lee from

1602
01:22:06,987 --> 01:22:09,387
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes to join us and the Ice Ferns, Our

1603
01:22:09,467 --> 01:22:13,227
Speaker 2: New Zealand women's ice hockey team currently involved in a

1604
01:22:13,227 --> 01:22:16,627
Speaker 2: big tournament in Dunedin. They take on Australia's and on

1605
01:22:16,707 --> 01:22:19,627
Speaker 2: a big game. So we'll get inside the Ice Ferns

1606
01:22:19,627 --> 01:22:22,427
Speaker 2: campus well and keep an eye on Super Rugby and Fiji.

1607
01:22:24,107 --> 01:22:26,987
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1608
01:22:27,387 --> 01:22:31,707
Speaker 1: and afterfield, it's all on Weekend Sport with Jason Kaane

1609
01:22:32,347 --> 01:22:35,947
Speaker 1: on your Home of Sport. In New York's.

1610
01:22:37,187 --> 01:22:40,107
Speaker 2: Two o seven, this is Weekend Sport on News TALKSB,

1611
01:22:40,147 --> 01:22:42,467
Speaker 2: but only until three when Tim beverage takes over with

1612
01:22:42,547 --> 01:22:46,347
Speaker 2: the Saturday edition of the Weekend Collective before we get

1613
01:22:46,387 --> 01:22:49,587
Speaker 2: there the Ice Ferns. This is our New Zealand women's

1614
01:22:49,707 --> 01:22:52,667
Speaker 2: ice hockey team. They're playing a big tournament in Dunedin

1615
01:22:52,787 --> 01:22:56,347
Speaker 2: at the moment. Tonight they play Australia. Big game. Going

1616
01:22:56,427 --> 01:22:59,667
Speaker 2: to get you inside the Ice Ferns camp with their coach,

1617
01:22:59,747 --> 01:23:03,947
Speaker 2: head coach for Brook Patriot and alternate captain Hope Gregory.

1618
01:23:04,627 --> 01:23:07,587
Speaker 2: Dave Nolling totoa standing by chat to us about Grace

1619
01:23:07,627 --> 01:23:12,027
Speaker 2: Wecki's eligibility and whether those rules might be changed or

1620
01:23:12,067 --> 01:23:16,747
Speaker 2: even just altered slightly to allow Grace Wicked to play

1621
01:23:16,747 --> 01:23:18,347
Speaker 2: for the Funds this year. Had a couple of Super

1622
01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:21,747
Speaker 2: Rugby CEOs this hour too. Heavn Lea out of the Hurricanes.

1623
01:23:21,827 --> 01:23:24,787
Speaker 2: Roger Clark from the Highland is how things going off

1624
01:23:24,827 --> 01:23:27,987
Speaker 2: the field for their respective Super Rugby franchises. We'll catch

1625
01:23:28,067 --> 01:23:31,027
Speaker 2: up with Colin Mansbridge out of the Crusaders tomorrow trying

1626
01:23:31,027 --> 01:23:32,667
Speaker 2: to get around the Chiefs and the Blues next weekend.

1627
01:23:33,547 --> 01:23:36,467
Speaker 2: They've just kicked off in Lautoka the Fiji and Dreuer

1628
01:23:36,587 --> 01:23:40,547
Speaker 2: and Waratas underway second match in Round ten of Super

1629
01:23:40,587 --> 01:23:42,827
Speaker 2: Rugby wikip eyes on that for you as well, your

1630
01:23:42,827 --> 01:23:45,307
Speaker 2: calls and correspondents always welcome, oh eight hundred and eighty

1631
01:23:45,387 --> 01:23:47,707
Speaker 2: ten eighty on the phone nine two ninety two via

1632
01:23:47,867 --> 01:23:50,507
Speaker 2: text eight past two. As we always do, though at

1633
01:23:50,547 --> 01:23:52,187
Speaker 2: around about this time, let's catch you up on a

1634
01:23:52,187 --> 01:23:54,827
Speaker 2: few things that might have escaped your attention, some of

1635
01:23:54,867 --> 01:23:56,867
Speaker 2: the stuff you might have missed as you were doing

1636
01:23:56,907 --> 01:24:00,627
Speaker 2: other things. And casimist. It's starting at the Saudi Arabian

1637
01:24:00,667 --> 01:24:04,707
Speaker 2: Grand Prix Liam Lawson and practiced one tracking pretty.

1638
01:24:04,347 --> 01:24:08,107
Speaker 25: Close to a familiar foe, is there, Liam Lawson? Up

1639
01:24:08,107 --> 01:24:10,547
Speaker 25: to the line, we saw a Haji band in his

1640
01:24:10,667 --> 01:24:13,747
Speaker 25: lab lost and popter just behind Sinoda. I was doing

1641
01:24:14,027 --> 01:24:14,707
Speaker 25: joint of the hip.

1642
01:24:14,667 --> 01:24:17,467
Speaker 26: On it can't keep keep us to separated.

1643
01:24:17,747 --> 01:24:19,867
Speaker 2: But it was a rough outing in practice too for

1644
01:24:19,987 --> 01:24:21,187
Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda.

1645
01:24:20,867 --> 01:24:23,427
Speaker 27: Yellow flat, Yeah, is it Yuki Sonoda?

1646
01:24:24,347 --> 01:24:26,427
Speaker 9: Yes, it is Yuki Sonoda.

1647
01:24:26,547 --> 01:24:28,747
Speaker 27: And as you can see, Yuki Sonoda out of the

1648
01:24:28,747 --> 01:24:31,747
Speaker 27: final corner has hit the wall and we've got a

1649
01:24:31,787 --> 01:24:36,267
Speaker 27: red flag and radioing first and foremost to say, I'm okay,

1650
01:24:36,427 --> 01:24:37,147
Speaker 27: but he's gone.

1651
01:24:36,987 --> 01:24:39,587
Speaker 2: In quite hard there, yeah, crashing out to win Practice two.

1652
01:24:39,667 --> 01:24:43,227
Speaker 2: Overall solid day though for Lawson with qualifying later on tonight,

1653
01:24:43,747 --> 01:24:47,507
Speaker 2: the Wellington Phoenix's misery continued, and Adelaide last night to

1654
01:24:47,507 --> 01:24:49,627
Speaker 2: be a little too cute and it comes for.

1655
01:24:49,747 --> 01:24:53,547
Speaker 19: Preer Saeno Achi can when a little.

1656
01:24:53,307 --> 01:24:56,547
Speaker 28: Lot to say that there was no half side clad and.

1657
01:24:56,667 --> 01:24:58,867
Speaker 2: With less than ninety seconds and.

1658
01:24:58,947 --> 01:25:01,467
Speaker 28: The regulation ninety minutes left to.

1659
01:25:01,707 --> 01:25:04,547
Speaker 3: Adelaide have a priceless three points.

1660
01:25:04,787 --> 01:25:07,467
Speaker 2: Yes they do. They won three to there last night.

1661
01:25:07,507 --> 01:25:10,947
Speaker 2: And the NRL a massive upset, the Storm thumped by

1662
01:25:10,987 --> 01:25:11,587
Speaker 2: the Dolphin.

1663
01:25:11,667 --> 01:25:16,507
Speaker 13: The high kicks and cartel contests come out.

1664
01:25:17,267 --> 01:25:21,707
Speaker 3: It's been put out my Cradla hur twelve domes.

1665
01:25:21,387 --> 01:25:27,707
Speaker 28: Over the Premiership favorites are big spaces and all Craik

1666
01:25:27,787 --> 01:25:30,867
Speaker 28: Tellamy can do is give a right smile as his

1667
01:25:31,067 --> 01:25:34,627
Speaker 28: wounded term is out of pub which.

1668
01:25:34,387 --> 01:25:37,907
Speaker 2: Means there may be a new title favorite. The undefeated

1669
01:25:38,067 --> 01:25:41,707
Speaker 2: Bulldogs holding the rabbit O scoreless and a thirty two

1670
01:25:41,787 --> 01:25:45,227
Speaker 2: Nilwyn Preston quick end. Here I go again.

1671
01:25:46,067 --> 01:25:46,747
Speaker 9: It's left the.

1672
01:25:46,707 --> 01:25:50,467
Speaker 3: Marriage rights credit Caraz Greats.

1673
01:25:50,187 --> 01:25:54,387
Speaker 13: One Caraz puck in the Tupidel.

1674
01:25:57,067 --> 01:26:01,187
Speaker 1: Cant we do it again, breaking down the Hail Mary's

1675
01:26:01,267 --> 01:26:07,227
Speaker 1: and the epic fils. Weekend Sport with Jason hin Talk z.

1676
01:26:07,307 --> 01:26:10,867
Speaker 2: Envy and Latoka the fig andrew early penalty three and

1677
01:26:10,907 --> 01:26:14,387
Speaker 2: ahead after three minutes up there against the war Atars

1678
01:26:14,507 --> 01:26:18,307
Speaker 2: Netball New Zealand Chief Executive Jenny Wiley says her board

1679
01:26:18,707 --> 01:26:22,907
Speaker 2: will review their ruling over goal shoot Grace Wecke's Silver

1680
01:26:22,987 --> 01:26:24,267
Speaker 2: Ferns eligibility.

1681
01:26:24,747 --> 01:26:28,627
Speaker 3: The cartonin would be the take of the day. I

1682
01:26:28,707 --> 01:26:30,347
Speaker 3: think Grace wicked.

1683
01:26:33,587 --> 01:26:37,667
Speaker 2: How did she keep that alive? Grace wicki currently unable

1684
01:26:37,707 --> 01:26:40,627
Speaker 2: to be selected for New Zealand's tests this year after

1685
01:26:40,667 --> 01:26:44,227
Speaker 2: relocating from the Northern Mystics to Australia's Super Netball with

1686
01:26:44,267 --> 01:26:47,667
Speaker 2: the New South Wales Swifts. She has been vocal though

1687
01:26:47,707 --> 01:26:51,027
Speaker 2: about her desire to still represent the Ferns this year.

1688
01:26:51,267 --> 01:26:53,387
Speaker 2: Jenny Wiley told News Talks he'd be this week. They're

1689
01:26:53,427 --> 01:26:56,227
Speaker 2: aware of Wiki's desire to pull on the black dress

1690
01:26:56,267 --> 01:27:01,267
Speaker 2: and they're continually reviewing and revising their views on their

1691
01:27:01,307 --> 01:27:05,107
Speaker 2: eligibility rules. What about the coach? Silver Ferns coach Dame

1692
01:27:05,307 --> 01:27:08,467
Speaker 2: Noline Todaua is with us. Dave Norlin, thanks for taking

1693
01:27:08,467 --> 01:27:10,347
Speaker 2: the time for at chet. Do you want Grace Wick

1694
01:27:10,867 --> 01:27:12,147
Speaker 2: to play for you this year?

1695
01:27:12,867 --> 01:27:17,627
Speaker 29: Yeah, definitely. I've been open about that and right from

1696
01:27:17,667 --> 01:27:20,427
Speaker 29: the start when ween you she was keen to come

1697
01:27:20,467 --> 01:27:24,987
Speaker 29: over to Sydney or to play in the ECCN and

1698
01:27:25,147 --> 01:27:29,187
Speaker 29: understanding her reason as well is to be better and

1699
01:27:29,227 --> 01:27:31,387
Speaker 29: to be a better netballer, but also to be a

1700
01:27:31,387 --> 01:27:34,627
Speaker 29: better silver Fern, So you know the intent is there.

1701
01:27:34,787 --> 01:27:37,307
Speaker 29: She still wants to play and definitely I support that.

1702
01:27:37,667 --> 01:27:40,747
Speaker 2: How much influence can you have as silver Fern's coach

1703
01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:45,147
Speaker 2: on the decision of the board, I.

1704
01:27:45,067 --> 01:27:48,747
Speaker 29: Think, well, I don't know about influence, but I'm not

1705
01:27:48,907 --> 01:27:54,587
Speaker 29: short in putting my thoughts through and not necessarily justification,

1706
01:27:54,827 --> 01:27:58,187
Speaker 29: but also understanding where we are, all the silver Ferns

1707
01:27:58,227 --> 01:28:01,947
Speaker 29: are and where we're currently sitting as well against other

1708
01:28:02,027 --> 01:28:05,787
Speaker 29: international countries. The great thing that you alluded to in

1709
01:28:05,907 --> 01:28:10,627
Speaker 29: your starting of this conversation is that the board is open,

1710
01:28:11,227 --> 01:28:14,627
Speaker 29: so it's not a closed shop, and that's also supported

1711
01:28:14,627 --> 01:28:17,507
Speaker 29: by Jenny, So you know they're going through their process

1712
01:28:17,587 --> 01:28:19,627
Speaker 29: and definitely I'll put my thoughts through.

1713
01:28:19,867 --> 01:28:21,907
Speaker 2: Do you feel positive that you'll get the outcome that

1714
01:28:21,947 --> 01:28:22,387
Speaker 2: you're after?

1715
01:28:24,067 --> 01:28:27,067
Speaker 29: Look, I understand actually on the flip side where the

1716
01:28:27,067 --> 01:28:31,627
Speaker 29: board is at and that that story hasn't changed, you know,

1717
01:28:31,947 --> 01:28:35,147
Speaker 29: even from my time with the Laura Langman's the marias

1718
01:28:35,467 --> 01:28:39,907
Speaker 29: to Taiya who was playing over an sec and so

1719
01:28:40,467 --> 01:28:44,907
Speaker 29: I understand the commercial value of having all our players

1720
01:28:44,947 --> 01:28:48,187
Speaker 29: playing in New Zealand. That makes sense to me and

1721
01:28:48,227 --> 01:28:51,347
Speaker 29: what that means around the broadcasting, So you know, it's

1722
01:28:51,387 --> 01:28:53,387
Speaker 29: not just a one track pony and they've got to

1723
01:28:53,427 --> 01:28:58,387
Speaker 29: take all the details into consideration, I think as well,

1724
01:28:58,907 --> 01:29:02,467
Speaker 29: not knowing where A and Z is, you know, and

1725
01:29:03,227 --> 01:29:06,227
Speaker 29: the decisions that need to be made from the board perspective,

1726
01:29:06,827 --> 01:29:09,227
Speaker 29: that will all come into time and that would all

1727
01:29:09,267 --> 01:29:11,587
Speaker 29: have to be swooped up in the division around Grace

1728
01:29:11,627 --> 01:29:12,067
Speaker 29: as well.

1729
01:29:12,587 --> 01:29:15,427
Speaker 2: You've obviously landed on the concern, which is that allowing

1730
01:29:15,427 --> 01:29:17,267
Speaker 2: Grace to play for the Silver Ferns this year might

1731
01:29:17,267 --> 01:29:20,147
Speaker 2: set a precedent and other players would play their domestic

1732
01:29:20,187 --> 01:29:22,707
Speaker 2: netball in Australia instead of New Zealand. Do you think

1733
01:29:22,707 --> 01:29:25,107
Speaker 2: that risk is real or is it more likely that

1734
01:29:25,187 --> 01:29:29,267
Speaker 2: only specific players like Grace will actually play in Australia.

1735
01:29:30,147 --> 01:29:30,347
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1736
01:29:30,347 --> 01:29:33,747
Speaker 29: Look, the thing is about over an e sec and

1737
01:29:33,867 --> 01:29:38,387
Speaker 29: or Australia is the pure numbers. So it's six to one,

1738
01:29:38,547 --> 01:29:41,707
Speaker 29: So six six players over in New Zealand in comparison

1739
01:29:41,707 --> 01:29:45,827
Speaker 29: to one. So the population is massive and as has

1740
01:29:45,867 --> 01:29:48,507
Speaker 29: been seen over the last three four or five years

1741
01:29:48,587 --> 01:29:51,587
Speaker 29: or the inception of SEC and they get an influx

1742
01:29:51,627 --> 01:29:55,307
Speaker 29: of the best players as well. So you know, I

1743
01:29:55,387 --> 01:29:59,747
Speaker 29: personally think might be about five or six that's realistic

1744
01:29:59,867 --> 01:30:03,747
Speaker 29: that will come or be approached and which means that

1745
01:30:03,787 --> 01:30:07,707
Speaker 29: the domestic competition is not to be gutted. You know,

1746
01:30:07,747 --> 01:30:09,907
Speaker 29: there's still going to be quality players that will be

1747
01:30:09,947 --> 01:30:14,427
Speaker 29: playing domestically, and I think once again that's the thing

1748
01:30:14,507 --> 01:30:17,267
Speaker 29: that we have to be mindful of that it's not

1749
01:30:17,307 --> 01:30:20,307
Speaker 29: going to be an influx of players coming over to SECN.

1750
01:30:20,107 --> 01:30:22,747
Speaker 2: In my in my perspective indeed, and in your role,

1751
01:30:22,867 --> 01:30:25,747
Speaker 2: Dan Noline, as silver Ferns coach, does it actually matter

1752
01:30:25,827 --> 01:30:28,507
Speaker 2: to you where your best players are playing as long

1753
01:30:28,547 --> 01:30:30,587
Speaker 2: as they are playing at a good level.

1754
01:30:32,147 --> 01:30:35,907
Speaker 29: What I've seen as well over the years in you know,

1755
01:30:36,067 --> 01:30:39,787
Speaker 29: like maybe last ten, even in twenty nineteen when we

1756
01:30:39,787 --> 01:30:43,427
Speaker 29: were number one at that time and took the Networ

1757
01:30:43,467 --> 01:30:46,907
Speaker 29: World Cup and it was really only a two horse race,

1758
01:30:46,947 --> 01:30:50,547
Speaker 29: which was New Zealand and Australia. And with the event

1759
01:30:50,667 --> 01:30:53,547
Speaker 29: of more competition now whether it be the A and Z,

1760
01:30:53,987 --> 01:30:57,587
Speaker 29: SECN or Vitality, it means a lot of other countries

1761
01:30:57,627 --> 01:31:02,107
Speaker 29: are now getting exposed to the high performance program. And

1762
01:31:02,187 --> 01:31:05,147
Speaker 29: when I look at Jamaica, for instance, they've probably got

1763
01:31:05,187 --> 01:31:11,387
Speaker 29: about six or seven their current starting team that's applying

1764
01:31:11,387 --> 01:31:15,107
Speaker 29: their trade. And if you're seeing so what countries don't

1765
01:31:15,187 --> 01:31:19,267
Speaker 29: have in regards to financials and having a good high

1766
01:31:19,267 --> 01:31:22,467
Speaker 29: performance program in their home country, now they can get

1767
01:31:22,507 --> 01:31:26,067
Speaker 29: it from other places. And with the likes now of

1768
01:31:26,187 --> 01:31:31,027
Speaker 29: where Jamaica is England are, it's not just a two

1769
01:31:31,067 --> 01:31:33,187
Speaker 29: horse race that it has been in history.

1770
01:31:34,427 --> 01:31:36,427
Speaker 2: If we put Grace to one side, how do you

1771
01:31:36,467 --> 01:31:39,347
Speaker 2: evaluate the depth and quality of the other shooters at

1772
01:31:39,347 --> 01:31:40,507
Speaker 2: your disposal right now?

1773
01:31:41,747 --> 01:31:46,187
Speaker 29: I thought, I believe we've still got quality in New Zealand.

1774
01:31:47,227 --> 01:31:50,547
Speaker 29: There is depths, but not quite at the stage the

1775
01:31:50,587 --> 01:31:55,507
Speaker 29: readiness to be able to play internationally. What we do

1776
01:31:55,627 --> 01:31:58,707
Speaker 29: know is, you know Grace when she's involved with us,

1777
01:31:58,787 --> 01:32:01,987
Speaker 29: and that was shown in twenty twenty three when she

1778
01:32:02,067 --> 01:32:05,827
Speaker 29: got injured at Netbowyl carp she's probably at least a

1779
01:32:05,867 --> 01:32:09,467
Speaker 29: thirteen point difference to us. And when we have around

1780
01:32:09,467 --> 01:32:13,347
Speaker 29: on Courtor, we're hitting around high fifty sixties in regards

1781
01:32:13,347 --> 01:32:16,627
Speaker 29: to volume. We still have those shooters, but not at

1782
01:32:16,667 --> 01:32:18,627
Speaker 29: the same volume that Grace can produce.

1783
01:32:19,387 --> 01:32:21,907
Speaker 2: So this year you'll host South Africa in three tiny

1784
01:32:21,947 --> 01:32:25,587
Speaker 2: Jamison Trophy matches in September, then Consolation Cup against Australia

1785
01:32:25,667 --> 01:32:28,467
Speaker 2: four tests, so just seven this year, Dan Nolan, Is

1786
01:32:28,507 --> 01:32:30,787
Speaker 2: that enough as your build towards Colm Games next year?

1787
01:32:31,707 --> 01:32:31,907
Speaker 6: Oh?

1788
01:32:31,947 --> 01:32:35,187
Speaker 29: Look, I would love more what we've always had in

1789
01:32:35,227 --> 01:32:37,867
Speaker 29: the past once again as we've had a generary tour,

1790
01:32:38,787 --> 01:32:42,787
Speaker 29: So our annual test will probably or calendar will probably

1791
01:32:42,827 --> 01:32:47,987
Speaker 29: be around ten ten to maybe ten to twelve. I

1792
01:32:48,267 --> 01:32:52,107
Speaker 29: also know next year we're going into the Commonwealth Games

1793
01:32:52,587 --> 01:32:54,667
Speaker 29: that will be off the back of A and Z,

1794
01:32:54,907 --> 01:32:57,827
Speaker 29: so we won't have time to have tests next year

1795
01:32:57,907 --> 01:33:01,147
Speaker 29: as well, so I'm squeezing out as much as possible

1796
01:33:01,187 --> 01:33:04,267
Speaker 29: to get more tests. Don't know if that's going to happen.

1797
01:33:04,307 --> 01:33:07,907
Speaker 29: You know that's open at the moment, and otherwise we've

1798
01:33:07,907 --> 01:33:11,347
Speaker 29: got to create that competition and we've got to create

1799
01:33:11,347 --> 01:33:14,667
Speaker 29: it ourselves and that's pretty hard, but it's something that

1800
01:33:14,707 --> 01:33:17,987
Speaker 29: would probably have to do. So yeah, I'd love more.

1801
01:33:18,307 --> 01:33:18,987
Speaker 29: I need more.

1802
01:33:19,987 --> 01:33:21,707
Speaker 2: And as you alluded to before, than you am z.

1803
01:33:21,787 --> 01:33:25,387
Speaker 2: Premiership season starts soon. But have you got any clarity

1804
01:33:26,027 --> 01:33:28,947
Speaker 2: around the shape of the competition beyond this year.

1805
01:33:30,307 --> 01:33:33,907
Speaker 29: No, I you know, I've been in discussions as well,

1806
01:33:33,947 --> 01:33:39,587
Speaker 29: and our CEO has kept me would call it in touch,

1807
01:33:39,587 --> 01:33:43,587
Speaker 29: you updated with what's happening, and unfortunately I don't know

1808
01:33:44,107 --> 01:33:48,827
Speaker 29: what is actually happening. So you know, hopefully very soon

1809
01:33:48,867 --> 01:33:52,707
Speaker 29: that these discussions will be cemented. And we know we're

1810
01:33:52,747 --> 01:33:55,587
Speaker 29: twenty twenty six going to be for our A and

1811
01:33:55,707 --> 01:33:59,707
Speaker 29: Z players, but also for the Silver Ferns. So no,

1812
01:33:59,867 --> 01:34:02,067
Speaker 29: I can't add anything to that discussion at all.

1813
01:34:02,227 --> 01:34:04,427
Speaker 2: Not fair enough. Well, I hope senesty prevails and you

1814
01:34:04,467 --> 01:34:07,787
Speaker 2: get access to Grace this year. Dave Nolane, Happy Easter,

1815
01:34:07,867 --> 01:34:09,707
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. We'll like catch up again soon.

1816
01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:11,827
Speaker 29: Happy Easter. Thanks for the call.

1817
01:34:11,987 --> 01:34:14,347
Speaker 2: No, thank you for taking the call. Dave Nolean Nolan

1818
01:34:14,427 --> 01:34:17,427
Speaker 2: todo them the coach of the Silver Ferns just seems

1819
01:34:17,467 --> 01:34:19,787
Speaker 2: like a no brainer to me. You know, why would

1820
01:34:19,827 --> 01:34:24,187
Speaker 2: just stop Dame Nolen Todor from picking her best shooter.

1821
01:34:25,507 --> 01:34:28,027
Speaker 2: It's a Netball New Zealand rule. This isn't the same

1822
01:34:28,067 --> 01:34:31,187
Speaker 2: as the all blacks eligibility. Let's not compare the two things.

1823
01:34:31,747 --> 01:34:36,187
Speaker 2: They are miles apart, and this isn't going to open

1824
01:34:36,307 --> 01:34:40,587
Speaker 2: up a exodus of top players over to Australia, because

1825
01:34:40,627 --> 01:34:42,987
Speaker 2: first of all, they have to have somewhere to play

1826
01:34:42,987 --> 01:34:45,267
Speaker 2: over there. They have to be attracted to one of

1827
01:34:45,267 --> 01:34:47,347
Speaker 2: those franchises, and I just don't see that there are

1828
01:34:47,347 --> 01:34:51,347
Speaker 2: that many who would be Grace wiki is our best

1829
01:34:51,387 --> 01:34:55,187
Speaker 2: shooter by daylight, and if we want to win netball

1830
01:34:55,227 --> 01:34:59,027
Speaker 2: tests and prepare in the best possible fashion for the

1831
01:34:59,027 --> 01:35:02,107
Speaker 2: Commonwealth Games next year, then Grace Waki should be playing

1832
01:35:02,107 --> 01:35:05,867
Speaker 2: for the Silver Ferns. This year seems like an absolute

1833
01:35:05,947 --> 01:35:08,947
Speaker 2: no brain to me, so hopefully sanity will prevail. You

1834
01:35:09,027 --> 01:35:11,987
Speaker 2: might have some thoughts fire and through on text nine

1835
01:35:12,067 --> 01:35:16,147
Speaker 2: two nine to two. Just coming up twenty past two

1836
01:35:16,387 --> 01:35:19,747
Speaker 2: weekend for it. The Ice Ferns our New Zealand women's

1837
01:35:19,747 --> 01:35:22,947
Speaker 2: ice hockey team currently competing in the International Ice Hockey

1838
01:35:22,987 --> 01:35:27,947
Speaker 2: Federation Division two Group B World Champs being played in

1839
01:35:28,027 --> 01:35:30,587
Speaker 2: duneed and last night they beat Hong Kong four to

1840
01:35:30,627 --> 01:35:34,107
Speaker 2: two to stay unbeaten after three games. Earlier in the

1841
01:35:34,107 --> 01:35:36,627
Speaker 2: week they beat Ukraine four to three in overtime and

1842
01:35:36,747 --> 01:35:42,267
Speaker 2: Belgium three to one. Tonight they play the other unbeaten team, Australia,

1843
01:35:42,587 --> 01:35:44,987
Speaker 2: and tomorrow night they meet Turkey joining us on the

1844
01:35:44,987 --> 01:35:49,827
Speaker 2: show head coach Brook, patron and alternate captain Hope Gregory.

1845
01:35:50,027 --> 01:35:52,707
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time on the day of your

1846
01:35:52,747 --> 01:35:54,387
Speaker 2: next game, guys to have a chat to us. Brook.

1847
01:35:54,587 --> 01:35:57,187
Speaker 2: First of all, how happy were you with last night's

1848
01:35:57,187 --> 01:36:00,467
Speaker 2: win over Hong Kong, especially coming back from two nil

1849
01:36:00,547 --> 01:36:01,907
Speaker 2: down to win that one four to two.

1850
01:36:02,747 --> 01:36:05,867
Speaker 26: Yes, I was after the gray Hairs had caused me

1851
01:36:06,707 --> 01:36:11,627
Speaker 26: very a good team building win. Like the article said,

1852
01:36:11,667 --> 01:36:15,387
Speaker 26: we grinded it out and came from behind, but the

1853
01:36:15,427 --> 01:36:17,667
Speaker 26: girls really came together, so it was good to see.

1854
01:36:17,747 --> 01:36:19,507
Speaker 2: What about out on the ice, Hope, how did it

1855
01:36:19,747 --> 01:36:21,547
Speaker 2: did it play out as far as you were concerned?

1856
01:36:22,587 --> 01:36:26,307
Speaker 22: Initially it was a bit chaotic, but we managed to

1857
01:36:26,307 --> 01:36:29,027
Speaker 22: find our feet coming into the third which was good.

1858
01:36:30,427 --> 01:36:33,347
Speaker 22: And yeah, get a couple of tucks in it, which

1859
01:36:33,387 --> 01:36:34,347
Speaker 22: always helps.

1860
01:36:34,707 --> 01:36:37,627
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's look at tonight's game against Australia,

1861
01:36:37,627 --> 01:36:39,707
Speaker 2: which I'm sure is one you've been targeting give us

1862
01:36:39,707 --> 01:36:42,227
Speaker 2: since you saw the draw. Brooke, How big a challenge

1863
01:36:42,267 --> 01:36:45,227
Speaker 2: do you expect from Australia tonight that've scored fourteen goals

1864
01:36:45,267 --> 01:36:47,987
Speaker 2: considered just one in their three games. How big a

1865
01:36:48,067 --> 01:36:49,187
Speaker 2: challenge will they present you?

1866
01:36:49,787 --> 01:36:52,507
Speaker 26: A pretty significant one, but the best team's rise to

1867
01:36:52,587 --> 01:36:55,067
Speaker 26: the occasion, so I'm looking forward to the challenge for sure,

1868
01:36:55,387 --> 01:36:58,947
Speaker 26: and I think the sold Oat crowd will definitely add

1869
01:36:58,987 --> 01:37:02,067
Speaker 26: an extra factor, hopefully an extra player on the ice,

1870
01:37:02,107 --> 01:37:05,387
Speaker 26: even in terms of energy and motivation, So that'll be

1871
01:37:05,907 --> 01:37:07,027
Speaker 26: something to look forward to.

1872
01:37:07,467 --> 01:37:07,667
Speaker 14: Brook.

1873
01:37:07,707 --> 01:37:09,507
Speaker 2: Do you feel as though your team does have another

1874
01:37:09,547 --> 01:37:11,667
Speaker 2: gear to match the Australians tonight?

1875
01:37:13,667 --> 01:37:16,267
Speaker 26: And I think the team knows that too, and I'm

1876
01:37:16,267 --> 01:37:18,027
Speaker 26: excited to see what they bring on the A's.

1877
01:37:18,067 --> 01:37:20,547
Speaker 2: All right, Well, what about you, hopeing the playing group,

1878
01:37:21,147 --> 01:37:24,627
Speaker 2: how intense is the excitement about coming up against a

1879
01:37:25,107 --> 01:37:27,107
Speaker 2: formidable challenge like Australia tonight.

1880
01:37:27,547 --> 01:37:28,987
Speaker 26: It's pretty exciting, you know.

1881
01:37:29,827 --> 01:37:33,147
Speaker 22: The rivalry that we've always had with Australia and makes

1882
01:37:33,187 --> 01:37:34,787
Speaker 22: it for a pretty intense game.

1883
01:37:34,627 --> 01:37:36,307
Speaker 26: Every time we face them on the ice.

1884
01:37:37,467 --> 01:37:41,307
Speaker 30: Last time we played them in Ossie we had a

1885
01:37:41,347 --> 01:37:44,747
Speaker 30: couple of games and the second one was quite close.

1886
01:37:44,867 --> 01:37:47,827
Speaker 30: So looking forward to play how we played then and

1887
01:37:48,267 --> 01:37:49,427
Speaker 30: put our best foot forward.

1888
01:37:50,187 --> 01:37:53,947
Speaker 2: Hope, tell us about the ice Ferns squad. Have most

1889
01:37:53,947 --> 01:37:56,107
Speaker 2: of you been in the New Zealand set up for

1890
01:37:56,147 --> 01:37:58,707
Speaker 2: a while or are there some new faces as well?

1891
01:37:59,507 --> 01:38:04,267
Speaker 22: This year, we have two fresh players, but apart from that,

1892
01:38:04,547 --> 01:38:06,987
Speaker 22: most of the girls have been around for a few years,

1893
01:38:07,587 --> 01:38:10,027
Speaker 22: so there's a lot of experience in depth within the team,

1894
01:38:10,067 --> 01:38:12,507
Speaker 22: which is something that we're really fortunate to have.

1895
01:38:12,947 --> 01:38:14,827
Speaker 2: Tell us about the ice and duned and what's it,

1896
01:38:14,947 --> 01:38:15,427
Speaker 2: what's it.

1897
01:38:15,427 --> 01:38:17,627
Speaker 9: Like, It's pretty good.

1898
01:38:18,027 --> 01:38:20,427
Speaker 17: Rank have really gone above and beyond this year.

1899
01:38:21,547 --> 01:38:23,707
Speaker 22: It's so good to be playing on holom ice. Like

1900
01:38:23,747 --> 01:38:27,027
Speaker 22: a lot of us are from this part of New Zealand,

1901
01:38:27,827 --> 01:38:29,387
Speaker 22: so to be able to play in a rink who

1902
01:38:29,427 --> 01:38:32,187
Speaker 22: we've spent lots of time in growing up playing is

1903
01:38:32,347 --> 01:38:34,747
Speaker 22: such a benefit. We know how the boards are going

1904
01:38:34,787 --> 01:38:38,827
Speaker 22: to bounce, the ice surface is nice and hard. Yeah,

1905
01:38:38,987 --> 01:38:40,107
Speaker 22: it's pretty cool.

1906
01:38:40,587 --> 01:38:42,387
Speaker 2: And you were one of the youngest players ever to

1907
01:38:42,627 --> 01:38:44,387
Speaker 2: represent the Ice Ferns. I think you might have just

1908
01:38:44,427 --> 01:38:47,627
Speaker 2: been fifteen years of age when you first played for

1909
01:38:47,667 --> 01:38:50,427
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Tell us about your your ice hockey journey,

1910
01:38:50,427 --> 01:38:52,067
Speaker 2: how it started and how it's developed.

1911
01:38:52,867 --> 01:38:53,787
Speaker 20: Yeah, So I.

1912
01:38:53,707 --> 01:38:56,267
Speaker 22: Started playing for the Ice Ferns in twenty sixteen, so

1913
01:38:56,307 --> 01:38:58,667
Speaker 22: I was fifteen. So yeah, one of the youngest on

1914
01:38:58,747 --> 01:39:04,667
Speaker 22: the squad. Since then, kind of just foster like kept playing,

1915
01:39:04,867 --> 01:39:08,187
Speaker 22: kept putting in the way it kept. I mean, it's

1916
01:39:08,227 --> 01:39:10,267
Speaker 22: a great group of girls to be a part of,

1917
01:39:10,427 --> 01:39:14,347
Speaker 22: like everyone's family pretty much, so it kind of just

1918
01:39:14,467 --> 01:39:17,307
Speaker 22: foster's you to grow as a player and as a person,

1919
01:39:17,427 --> 01:39:19,667
Speaker 22: and it's pretty exciting.

1920
01:39:20,707 --> 01:39:23,667
Speaker 2: It's a pretty niche sport in this part of the world. Anyway, Broke,

1921
01:39:23,707 --> 01:39:26,267
Speaker 2: how do you how do you attract new players?

1922
01:39:27,547 --> 01:39:30,427
Speaker 26: I think if you get them to watch, they can

1923
01:39:30,507 --> 01:39:34,627
Speaker 26: realize how exciting it is and that there's more opportunity

1924
01:39:35,107 --> 01:39:37,787
Speaker 26: than you think. Like if there's a rink in the area,

1925
01:39:38,427 --> 01:39:41,667
Speaker 26: they're always looking for kids and adults to teach, and

1926
01:39:41,667 --> 01:39:44,507
Speaker 26: there's a league to plan, so it's kind of just

1927
01:39:44,547 --> 01:39:47,867
Speaker 26: getting eyes on it and then people discover they love

1928
01:39:47,907 --> 01:39:49,427
Speaker 26: the sport. Anyways, I would say.

1929
01:39:49,907 --> 01:39:54,227
Speaker 2: Do you find that you get players coming to watch

1930
01:39:54,307 --> 01:39:57,827
Speaker 2: hockey who have been involved in field hockey for example?

1931
01:39:58,227 --> 01:40:00,507
Speaker 2: I guess some of the principles are similar, or do

1932
01:40:00,627 --> 01:40:02,867
Speaker 2: they come from all sorts of different backgrounds.

1933
01:40:03,267 --> 01:40:05,187
Speaker 26: I would say all sorts of background But there does

1934
01:40:05,227 --> 01:40:07,907
Speaker 26: seem to be a lot of inline hockey players that

1935
01:40:07,987 --> 01:40:10,147
Speaker 26: transfer to ice hockey pretty often. That seems like a

1936
01:40:10,227 --> 01:40:14,267
Speaker 26: common train if that makes sense.

1937
01:40:14,347 --> 01:40:16,747
Speaker 2: It does. It does, And you mentioned before that you're

1938
01:40:16,747 --> 01:40:22,027
Speaker 2: expecting a big crowd in Dunedin tonight. What's capacity there?

1939
01:40:22,067 --> 01:40:23,147
Speaker 2: How many expecting tonight?

1940
01:40:23,787 --> 01:40:25,947
Speaker 26: Capacity wise, I don't know. I don't know if I

1941
01:40:25,947 --> 01:40:27,747
Speaker 26: should be at liberty to say that and put a

1942
01:40:27,787 --> 01:40:30,987
Speaker 26: number on it, but I think we're expecting around I

1943
01:40:31,027 --> 01:40:32,907
Speaker 26: want to say eight hundred two thousand people.

1944
01:40:33,307 --> 01:40:35,987
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Well, hopefully it'll be enough to as you say,

1945
01:40:36,027 --> 01:40:37,667
Speaker 2: get that extra player on the ice for you and

1946
01:40:37,667 --> 01:40:40,587
Speaker 2: get your victory over Australia to I congratulations to you

1947
01:40:40,627 --> 01:40:42,947
Speaker 2: both on what you've achieved so far. We'll be keeping

1948
01:40:42,947 --> 01:40:44,987
Speaker 2: eyes on the score tonight and for your game tomorrow

1949
01:40:45,067 --> 01:40:47,387
Speaker 2: night against Turkey as well. Thanks for taking the time

1950
01:40:47,387 --> 01:40:48,587
Speaker 2: to chat to us today.

1951
01:40:48,867 --> 01:40:50,467
Speaker 26: Thank you so much. Thank you.

1952
01:40:50,747 --> 01:40:54,427
Speaker 2: That is our coach of our ice ferns Brook, Patron

1953
01:40:54,547 --> 01:40:57,867
Speaker 2: and alternate Captain Hope Gregory. As part of the International

1954
01:40:57,947 --> 01:41:01,267
Speaker 2: Ice Hockey Federation Division two Group B World champis in Dunedin.

1955
01:41:01,587 --> 01:41:04,227
Speaker 2: They take on Australia tonight. Just on the subject of

1956
01:41:04,267 --> 01:41:08,907
Speaker 2: ice hockey, the President of the International Ice Hockey Federation

1957
01:41:09,587 --> 01:41:12,107
Speaker 2: is here in New Zealand for that tournament. His name

1958
01:41:12,187 --> 01:41:15,387
Speaker 2: is Luke Tardiff and he joins us in studio tomorrow

1959
01:41:15,667 --> 01:41:18,267
Speaker 2: as part of our Easter Sunday show. So looking forward

1960
01:41:18,267 --> 01:41:20,987
Speaker 2: to finding out more about the development of ice hockey,

1961
01:41:21,027 --> 01:41:23,547
Speaker 2: not just in the in the hotbeds of ice hockey

1962
01:41:23,627 --> 01:41:26,587
Speaker 2: it's probably the wrong phrase, but around the world and

1963
01:41:27,267 --> 01:41:30,747
Speaker 2: the development of it as a sport. Eighty five member

1964
01:41:30,827 --> 01:41:34,427
Speaker 2: nations for the International Ice Hockey Federation, including New Zealand obviously,

1965
01:41:34,707 --> 01:41:36,867
Speaker 2: so looking forward to finding out more when Luke Tardiff

1966
01:41:36,947 --> 01:41:40,027
Speaker 2: joins us in studio tomorrow, the President of the International

1967
01:41:40,347 --> 01:41:43,547
Speaker 2: Ice Hockey Federation six nil to the Fiji and drawer

1968
01:41:43,587 --> 01:41:47,027
Speaker 2: over the warratars after seventeen minutes in Latoko, we'll take

1969
01:41:47,027 --> 01:41:48,907
Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we're going to close

1970
01:41:48,907 --> 01:41:52,347
Speaker 2: the show with a couple of super rugby CEOs, Roger

1971
01:41:52,427 --> 01:41:55,307
Speaker 2: Clark from the Highlanders and Avon Lea from the Hurricanes,

1972
01:41:55,347 --> 01:41:56,827
Speaker 2: to chat to us over the next half hour or.

1973
01:41:56,827 --> 01:42:01,827
Speaker 1: So the big issues on and after Fields Call eight

1974
01:42:01,867 --> 01:42:06,107
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason Fain and GJ. Gunner.

1975
01:42:06,747 --> 01:42:09,987
Speaker 1: New Zealand's was Trusted Hoe Milner News Talks at BB.

1976
01:42:10,227 --> 01:42:13,067
Speaker 2: Two twenty nine on News Talks, the'b just updating you

1977
01:42:13,147 --> 01:42:17,387
Speaker 2: on some live sport. The NBA play in games are happening.

1978
01:42:17,387 --> 01:42:20,787
Speaker 2: These are the last chance knockout games or one off

1979
01:42:20,827 --> 01:42:23,827
Speaker 2: games for the teams to make it into the NBA playoffs.

1980
01:42:23,867 --> 01:42:26,987
Speaker 2: In the East, the Atlanta Hawks got there over the

1981
01:42:27,027 --> 01:42:29,507
Speaker 2: Miami Heat. It took over time, but they got there

1982
01:42:29,547 --> 01:42:32,707
Speaker 2: in fact other way around. My apologies, don't panic Miami

1983
01:42:32,747 --> 01:42:35,547
Speaker 2: Heat fans. You won it one twenty three to one

1984
01:42:35,667 --> 01:42:39,027
Speaker 2: fourteen the Miami Heat one twenty three, one fourteen over

1985
01:42:39,027 --> 01:42:42,307
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Hawks. So the Miami Heat go through to

1986
01:42:42,387 --> 01:42:46,747
Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs. And as far as the Mavericks and

1987
01:42:46,907 --> 01:42:51,987
Speaker 2: Grizzlies are concerned, the Grizzlies fifty nine, forty ahead of

1988
01:42:51,987 --> 01:42:55,507
Speaker 2: the Mavericks. They're in the second quarter in Memphis at

1989
01:42:55,507 --> 01:42:58,787
Speaker 2: the moment, so it is the Memphis Grizzlies fifty nine

1990
01:42:59,347 --> 01:43:02,467
Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks forty in that one. So Memphis looking

1991
01:43:02,867 --> 01:43:05,547
Speaker 2: as though they are on track to join the Western

1992
01:43:05,587 --> 01:43:10,747
Speaker 2: Conference in be A Finals. As far as the Fiji

1993
01:43:10,787 --> 01:43:16,227
Speaker 2: and Drewer are concerned, well, it's a very inconvenient time

1994
01:43:16,307 --> 01:43:19,707
Speaker 2: for rain fade to set in, I must say, but

1995
01:43:20,427 --> 01:43:22,667
Speaker 2: it has unfortunately up there. But I can tell you

1996
01:43:22,667 --> 01:43:26,507
Speaker 2: it's just come back six nil, six nil, is the

1997
01:43:26,587 --> 01:43:29,187
Speaker 2: is the score up there the Fiji and drewer six

1998
01:43:29,307 --> 01:43:31,747
Speaker 2: nil ahead of the Warratars with a couple of penalties

1999
01:43:32,427 --> 01:43:39,467
Speaker 2: early on. Just waiting on some information around. If you're

2000
01:43:39,467 --> 01:43:42,227
Speaker 2: in the Auckland area, you may have received an alert

2001
01:43:42,827 --> 01:43:46,707
Speaker 2: in the last few moments or so regarding thunderstorms etc.

2002
01:43:47,147 --> 01:43:50,227
Speaker 2: We're just getting you some more information on that and

2003
01:43:50,307 --> 01:43:54,667
Speaker 2: it has come through to me right now, So a

2004
01:43:54,707 --> 01:43:59,027
Speaker 2: severe thunderstorm warning. This warning affects people in the following

2005
01:43:59,107 --> 01:44:02,947
Speaker 2: local government areas Auckland City, White Cuttle, White Tuckety, Franklin,

2006
01:44:03,147 --> 01:44:07,747
Speaker 2: Rodney and Albany. At clock met Service where the radar

2007
01:44:08,267 --> 01:44:12,987
Speaker 2: detected severe stunt thunderstorms near Auckland, Henderson, Manaco Heads, Fanua,

2008
01:44:13,027 --> 01:44:18,227
Speaker 2: Pai Piha, the Green Height, Hobsonville, Massi, Tiatatu, Waitakati, Swanson,

2009
01:44:18,307 --> 01:44:23,907
Speaker 2: West Harbor, Glen Eeden, Avondale, Kelston, Tangi and Nui and

2010
01:44:23,947 --> 01:44:28,707
Speaker 2: they're moving towards the south southeast. These thunderstorms are expected

2011
01:44:28,707 --> 01:44:31,747
Speaker 2: to be accompanied by very heavy rain and that can

2012
01:44:31,787 --> 01:44:35,227
Speaker 2: cause surface and or flash flooding around streams, gullies and

2013
01:44:35,307 --> 01:44:40,147
Speaker 2: urban areas and make driving conditions extremely hazardous. So please

2014
01:44:40,187 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 2: be aware of the severe thunderstorm warning. In and around

2015
01:44:44,067 --> 01:44:47,987
Speaker 2: the Auckland City and white Cuttu region, and take all

2016
01:44:48,027 --> 01:44:53,427
Speaker 2: necessary precautions, including taking shelter, preferably indoors away from windows.

2017
01:44:53,907 --> 01:44:57,147
Speaker 2: Avoid sheltering under trees if you're outside, if you're on

2018
01:44:57,187 --> 01:44:59,827
Speaker 2: the water, get back to land, move cars under cover,

2019
01:44:59,907 --> 01:45:03,147
Speaker 2: secure any loose objects around your property, Check that drains

2020
01:45:03,147 --> 01:45:05,867
Speaker 2: and gutters are clear, and be ready to slow down

2021
01:45:06,067 --> 01:45:10,747
Speaker 2: or top if driving. We will bring you more the

2022
01:45:11,227 --> 01:45:13,427
Speaker 2: more information as it comes to hand, but the severe

2023
01:45:13,747 --> 01:45:17,147
Speaker 2: thunderstorm warning issued by the METS Service at around two

2024
01:45:17,147 --> 01:45:20,787
Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon twenty eight away from three. Great to

2025
01:45:20,787 --> 01:45:23,347
Speaker 2: get the chance over this weekend and next to catch

2026
01:45:23,427 --> 01:45:26,947
Speaker 2: up with some of the CEOs from Super Rugby franchises

2027
01:45:27,067 --> 01:45:30,187
Speaker 2: around New Zealand. Highland is CEO Roger Clark joins us

2028
01:45:30,267 --> 01:45:33,067
Speaker 2: on weekend sport. Roger, let's start on the field as

2029
01:45:33,107 --> 01:45:35,907
Speaker 2: we speak, your seventh I went over the drool last

2030
01:45:35,907 --> 01:45:39,147
Speaker 2: weekend snapping a four game losing streak. So how do

2031
01:45:39,147 --> 01:45:41,987
Speaker 2: you evaluate where the team is on the field? First

2032
01:45:41,987 --> 01:45:43,947
Speaker 2: of all, with six games to go?

2033
01:45:45,907 --> 01:45:47,787
Speaker 19: Oh, I think that's a bit of a tough one, Jason.

2034
01:45:48,547 --> 01:45:52,227
Speaker 19: At the moment. As you know, all teams that I

2035
01:45:52,267 --> 01:45:56,867
Speaker 19: think third to tenth, there's only eight points difference, so

2036
01:45:57,347 --> 01:45:59,947
Speaker 19: I think I don't think there's a lot in it.

2037
01:46:00,107 --> 01:46:02,467
Speaker 19: All the games we've played this year, we've been pretty close.

2038
01:46:02,547 --> 01:46:05,107
Speaker 19: We just haven't finished the big moment. So if we

2039
01:46:05,147 --> 01:46:08,227
Speaker 19: want to be part of the playoff contention, we're going

2040
01:46:08,307 --> 01:46:11,747
Speaker 19: to need to start finishing those big moments. And you know,

2041
01:46:11,787 --> 01:46:13,467
Speaker 19: we've got some big challenges of the next couple of

2042
01:46:13,467 --> 01:46:16,107
Speaker 19: weeks with some local derbies and that it'll be a

2043
01:46:16,107 --> 01:46:17,347
Speaker 19: good test for this young group.

2044
01:46:17,907 --> 01:46:20,147
Speaker 2: The New Zealand derbies have always been tough, but have

2045
01:46:20,227 --> 01:46:24,547
Speaker 2: you noticed a lift and competitiveness in games against the

2046
01:46:24,627 --> 01:46:29,227
Speaker 2: Pacific Island sides and the Australian sides this year as well?

2047
01:46:29,387 --> 01:46:32,067
Speaker 19: Well, I think we all have. I think it's been

2048
01:46:32,187 --> 01:46:35,827
Speaker 19: awesome competition really because the jeopardy and the competition has

2049
01:46:35,947 --> 01:46:40,827
Speaker 19: been so high. As I said that, we know the

2050
01:46:40,867 --> 01:46:43,667
Speaker 19: Australian teams were taking the rebels out. The Australian teams

2051
01:46:43,707 --> 01:46:48,947
Speaker 19: have through tremendously. They've all got very good coaches, and yeah,

2052
01:46:48,987 --> 01:46:51,747
Speaker 19: we're known in the difference, the difference, as I said,

2053
01:46:51,747 --> 01:46:55,187
Speaker 19: we've we've lost every game against an Australian team not

2054
01:46:55,227 --> 01:46:59,227
Speaker 19: by March but and all you look at them and

2055
01:46:59,267 --> 01:47:01,627
Speaker 19: all say, all winnable. But I mean that's great for

2056
01:47:01,667 --> 01:47:03,467
Speaker 19: them because they were the games they were losing in

2057
01:47:03,507 --> 01:47:03,947
Speaker 19: the past.

2058
01:47:05,107 --> 01:47:07,467
Speaker 2: Are you happy with your decision to move Jamie Joseph

2059
01:47:07,507 --> 01:47:08,947
Speaker 2: into the head coaching role this season?

2060
01:47:11,107 --> 01:47:11,227
Speaker 9: Oh?

2061
01:47:11,547 --> 01:47:14,627
Speaker 19: Look, I think you don't leave a great coach like

2062
01:47:14,747 --> 01:47:17,347
Speaker 19: Jamie on the sidelines. And he is a head coach,

2063
01:47:17,507 --> 01:47:23,987
Speaker 19: and Clatt Deermalley's flourishing under his leadership would be good

2064
01:47:24,027 --> 01:47:25,867
Speaker 19: for Clark, and it's good for Jamie, and it's really

2065
01:47:25,907 --> 01:47:28,907
Speaker 19: good for the club and we will see the impact

2066
01:47:28,907 --> 01:47:30,587
Speaker 19: from that over the next couple of years.

2067
01:47:30,987 --> 01:47:34,307
Speaker 2: I guess they got to mean a slightly challenging conversation

2068
01:47:34,387 --> 01:47:37,787
Speaker 2: to have with Clarke Deermody. Did he respond to it

2069
01:47:37,827 --> 01:47:38,627
Speaker 2: pretty well.

2070
01:47:40,267 --> 01:47:40,387
Speaker 9: Well?

2071
01:47:40,427 --> 01:47:44,827
Speaker 19: I think if we put it in context, when Tony

2072
01:47:44,867 --> 01:47:49,827
Speaker 19: Brown left, we were keen to keep a local person involved,

2073
01:47:50,187 --> 01:47:54,307
Speaker 19: and so Dooms was somebody that you know, was a

2074
01:47:54,387 --> 01:47:58,067
Speaker 19: natural progression, But it wasn't a natural job shift, and

2075
01:47:58,067 --> 01:48:00,747
Speaker 19: it wasn't something that he was after. Something he did

2076
01:48:01,227 --> 01:48:03,547
Speaker 19: because we asked him to as a club and we

2077
01:48:03,587 --> 01:48:06,067
Speaker 19: needed him to do that at that stage. So I

2078
01:48:06,107 --> 01:48:08,387
Speaker 19: think think Dooms will be the first to let everyone

2079
01:48:08,467 --> 01:48:11,347
Speaker 19: know that he did a great job. You know, he

2080
01:48:11,387 --> 01:48:13,067
Speaker 19: did the best he could possibly do. But at the

2081
01:48:13,147 --> 01:48:16,347
Speaker 19: end of the day, he wasn't in a job that

2082
01:48:16,387 --> 01:48:18,267
Speaker 19: he wanted to do. He was there because we asked

2083
01:48:18,307 --> 01:48:18,867
Speaker 19: him to do it.

2084
01:48:20,067 --> 01:48:24,067
Speaker 2: Rogie, I mean, let's talk about players. You have fewer

2085
01:48:24,147 --> 01:48:27,187
Speaker 2: all Blacks than any of the other New Zealand franchises.

2086
01:48:27,707 --> 01:48:32,627
Speaker 2: How difficult is it still to attract players to the Highlanders.

2087
01:48:34,147 --> 01:48:38,147
Speaker 19: I think it's always been challenged, Jason, but it's I

2088
01:48:38,147 --> 01:48:40,507
Speaker 19: think in the past it used to be through university

2089
01:48:40,507 --> 01:48:43,667
Speaker 19: and that's the way it is now we've built up

2090
01:48:43,867 --> 01:48:46,627
Speaker 19: I think forty eight percent of our squad have come

2091
01:48:46,667 --> 01:48:49,067
Speaker 19: through the high performance program we set up five years ago.

2092
01:48:49,827 --> 01:48:52,547
Speaker 19: Hence why the average age of the teams so young.

2093
01:48:53,507 --> 01:48:56,667
Speaker 19: But our job's to cradle blacks. You know, we had

2094
01:48:56,707 --> 01:48:59,067
Speaker 19: one last year, like to think we'll have three or

2095
01:48:59,107 --> 01:49:01,747
Speaker 19: four this year. In about three or four years time,

2096
01:49:01,827 --> 01:49:03,707
Speaker 19: we'll have seven or eight. And if I look back

2097
01:49:03,747 --> 01:49:06,707
Speaker 19: at twenty fifteen, we had nothing can and then we

2098
01:49:06,747 --> 01:49:09,187
Speaker 19: had seven or eight and that's what won us a championship.

2099
01:49:09,267 --> 01:49:12,107
Speaker 19: So our job for New Zealand Rugby, as much as

2100
01:49:12,147 --> 01:49:14,667
Speaker 19: the club is to create all blacks and the only

2101
01:49:14,707 --> 01:49:16,387
Speaker 19: way to do that is to build with from it.

2102
01:49:16,627 --> 01:49:19,227
Speaker 19: So you're never going to and we don't want to

2103
01:49:19,387 --> 01:49:21,827
Speaker 19: bring all black down into our environment. We want to

2104
01:49:21,867 --> 01:49:22,347
Speaker 19: grow them.

2105
01:49:23,147 --> 01:49:25,147
Speaker 2: How how happy are you and what are the key

2106
01:49:25,547 --> 01:49:28,787
Speaker 2: the key planks of your of your high performance system,

2107
01:49:28,827 --> 01:49:32,507
Speaker 2: your academy program that that is producing players of that caliber.

2108
01:49:34,107 --> 01:49:37,187
Speaker 19: Well, it's looking at players that want to come down

2109
01:49:37,187 --> 01:49:39,267
Speaker 19: to university. I mean, our point of difference in our

2110
01:49:39,307 --> 01:49:41,387
Speaker 19: region is our university. It's one of the best, and

2111
01:49:41,587 --> 01:49:43,627
Speaker 19: not only the country, but one of the best in

2112
01:49:43,747 --> 01:49:48,187
Speaker 19: austral Asia. And so people that want to come to university,

2113
01:49:48,267 --> 01:49:50,667
Speaker 19: then we give them the same opportunity they get anywhere

2114
01:49:50,707 --> 01:49:55,667
Speaker 19: else around, you know, like the opportunities to play. And

2115
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Speaker 19: if I look at a young guy, you know, let's

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01:49:58,867 --> 01:50:01,587
Speaker 19: say Josh ten Lad who's the New Zealand twenties lot,

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01:50:02,427 --> 01:50:04,907
Speaker 19: wants to go to university, really wanted to go to

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Speaker 19: Otago a little bit like the old that's Jason when

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01:50:07,907 --> 01:50:11,627
Speaker 19: you know the Jamie Joseph and Jeff Wilson came down

2120
01:50:11,667 --> 01:50:15,667
Speaker 19: to Otaga University or came up and you've skates, except

2121
01:50:15,667 --> 01:50:17,867
Speaker 19: these days you've got to put a rugby offer with

2122
01:50:18,027 --> 01:50:19,867
Speaker 19: it as well to show them that they're not only

2123
01:50:19,947 --> 01:50:23,427
Speaker 19: going to be able to do their degree, finish their

2124
01:50:23,467 --> 01:50:26,227
Speaker 19: tertiary qualifications, but we're also going to develop them as

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01:50:26,307 --> 01:50:29,507
Speaker 19: rugby plasing and show them that we can get them

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01:50:29,507 --> 01:50:34,147
Speaker 19: into the orblis. And if I look at at a

2127
01:50:34,187 --> 01:50:38,027
Speaker 19: guy like Fabian Holland, he's probably the head of the

2128
01:50:38,067 --> 01:50:39,947
Speaker 19: curve and he's a guy i'd like to think we'll

2129
01:50:39,947 --> 01:50:42,747
Speaker 19: be in the Wilbits shortly, but has done that come

2130
01:50:42,787 --> 01:50:45,947
Speaker 19: down and he'll have finished three years of university by

2131
01:50:45,947 --> 01:50:48,547
Speaker 19: the end of this year. So that's the sort of

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01:50:48,547 --> 01:50:51,147
Speaker 19: thing we're trying to do and that's the basis for

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01:50:51,187 --> 01:50:53,107
Speaker 19: our high Performance Broagain, are.

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01:50:52,987 --> 01:50:56,507
Speaker 2: There any other challenges you face as Highland as CEO

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01:50:56,707 --> 01:50:59,987
Speaker 2: that you believe are specific to you compared to the

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01:51:00,027 --> 01:51:02,267
Speaker 2: other New Zealand based CEOs.

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01:51:04,267 --> 01:51:07,947
Speaker 19: No, I don't think so, Jason. I think the model,

2138
01:51:08,027 --> 01:51:11,027
Speaker 19: the sports model, is a really challenging one for everybody,

2139
01:51:11,747 --> 01:51:14,147
Speaker 19: and everybody has their point of difference in their regions.

2140
01:51:14,187 --> 01:51:17,107
Speaker 19: I mean, I think of us now, we talked about

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01:51:17,547 --> 01:51:20,067
Speaker 19: our high performance program being based are in the university,

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01:51:20,547 --> 01:51:24,267
Speaker 19: one of the biggest points of difference in and our

2143
01:51:24,387 --> 01:51:27,267
Speaker 19: fan for our fans is our zoo, which is student

2144
01:51:27,307 --> 01:51:30,227
Speaker 19: based again, so I think we all have challenges, but

2145
01:51:30,307 --> 01:51:35,147
Speaker 19: we all have to create. We'll use the resources we've

2146
01:51:35,147 --> 01:51:37,667
Speaker 19: got in our region the best we can. But the

2147
01:51:37,707 --> 01:51:41,307
Speaker 19: commercial challenge is probably the tough one for everybody. And

2148
01:51:41,387 --> 01:51:44,867
Speaker 19: it's not just like you've seen the stories right across

2149
01:51:44,867 --> 01:51:47,787
Speaker 19: Australasia and then across the world, there's not too many

2150
01:51:47,827 --> 01:51:53,747
Speaker 19: sporting clubs, sporting franchises around the world that are fiscally

2151
01:51:53,907 --> 01:51:55,067
Speaker 19: doing really well.

2152
01:51:55,787 --> 01:51:58,267
Speaker 2: Even given that, you feel optimistic about the future of

2153
01:51:58,307 --> 01:52:01,227
Speaker 2: the Highlanders and of Super Rugby.

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01:52:01,667 --> 01:52:04,747
Speaker 19: Yeah, look, I think I do because I look at

2155
01:52:05,187 --> 01:52:07,187
Speaker 19: this would be the best competition and I've been involved

2156
01:52:07,187 --> 01:52:10,307
Speaker 19: and I've been involved for a long time. The audiences

2157
01:52:10,307 --> 01:52:13,827
Speaker 19: are up tremendously, both at game I think twenty one percent,

2158
01:52:13,907 --> 01:52:16,947
Speaker 19: up at game broadcast in Australia up thirty percent and

2159
01:52:17,027 --> 01:52:19,747
Speaker 19: in New Zealand twelve percent. They are incredible numbers and

2160
01:52:19,787 --> 01:52:22,907
Speaker 19: what that does is drive commercial growth and that's what

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01:52:22,947 --> 01:52:26,667
Speaker 19: we've seen. So from a sponsorship perspective, it's higher than

2162
01:52:26,707 --> 01:52:30,147
Speaker 19: it's ever been in the clubs and growing. So look,

2163
01:52:30,187 --> 01:52:32,347
Speaker 19: I think the interest in the game and the fact

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01:52:32,347 --> 01:52:35,987
Speaker 19: that the competition at the moment is awesome. Is what's

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Speaker 19: giving me that optimism. Jason.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, it's great to get the chance to

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01:52:40,947 --> 01:52:42,627
Speaker 2: chat to you over Easter weekend, Roger, thank you for

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Speaker 2: taking the time. I already to appreciate it. All the

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Speaker 2: best for the rest of the season. Tough running for

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Speaker 2: your boys with a few derby's coming, but we look

2171
01:52:48,107 --> 01:52:50,187
Speaker 2: forward to seeing how have they go for the rest

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01:52:50,187 --> 01:52:51,067
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 19: Now looking forward to it. Thanks very much, Jason, No.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, Roger. Roger Clark, CEO of the

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01:52:57,747 --> 01:52:59,827
Speaker 2: Highlanders twenty to three, take a break, come back and

2176
01:52:59,867 --> 01:53:03,547
Speaker 2: head to Hurricanes Country CEO Avonlea. After this, wo.

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Speaker 1: Coach Old engage in sports with Jason time and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunner homes New Zealand's host Trustino Wilder News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the Hurricanes HQ CEO Avan Lee as

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Speaker 2: well as they start on the field, Evan, twenty twenty

2181
01:53:18,947 --> 01:53:21,067
Speaker 2: five been a bit tougher on the field than twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. What do you reckon that is?

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Speaker 13: Thanks Bonnie, good to chat mate. Yeah, I think that's

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01:53:26,027 --> 01:53:29,627
Speaker 13: that's fair. Last year was went extremely well and we

2185
01:53:29,827 --> 01:53:33,787
Speaker 13: topped the round robin going into the playoffs, but this year, yeah,

2186
01:53:33,787 --> 01:53:36,907
Speaker 13: it has been has been more challenging. I think the

2187
01:53:36,987 --> 01:53:41,667
Speaker 13: key factor is that the competition is more competitive. You know,

2188
01:53:41,747 --> 01:53:45,507
Speaker 13: we've we've had we've had injuries, but we've also had

2189
01:53:45,947 --> 01:53:47,707
Speaker 13: you know, the opportunity to win every game.

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01:53:48,427 --> 01:53:50,147
Speaker 7: So you know, in terms of.

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Speaker 13: What's happened on the field, you better talk to Clark,

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Speaker 13: but you know we've we've lost those games, five games

2193
01:53:57,667 --> 01:54:01,267
Speaker 13: by an average of six points, so you know, it's

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Speaker 13: it's really tight and obviously, you know we set out

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01:54:04,587 --> 01:54:07,787
Speaker 13: to win every single one, but you know, the other

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01:54:07,907 --> 01:54:12,467
Speaker 13: teams are obviously better and Derby games, you know, have

2197
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Speaker 13: always been challenging. So yeah, we're obviously frustrated that we

2198
01:54:17,187 --> 01:54:21,267
Speaker 13: haven't done better, but you know, we've got a lot.

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Speaker 7: Of faith in the people we have. We've got some obviously.

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Speaker 13: Huge games coming up, so it's, yeah, it doesn't get

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Speaker 13: any easier, but you.

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Speaker 7: Know, it's still one hundred percent faith in the people

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Speaker 7: we have.

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Speaker 2: In many ways, what you've just described is what we've

2205
01:54:36,547 --> 01:54:40,747
Speaker 2: always wanted out of Super Rugby, a highly competitive competition.

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01:54:40,827 --> 01:54:42,987
Speaker 2: We're from week to week you don't really know who's

2207
01:54:43,027 --> 01:54:47,027
Speaker 2: going to beat who. With Jeopardy on the results. It's funny,

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01:54:47,067 --> 01:54:49,147
Speaker 2: isn't I mean you've been on, as you say, on

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Speaker 2: the on the losing side, you know, a few times.

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Speaker 2: But this is the competition we've wanted for a long time,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean you know, I've certainly made that clear

2213
01:54:59,627 --> 01:55:04,987
Speaker 13: at you know, at Super rugby level with the competition.

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01:55:05,187 --> 01:55:08,067
Speaker 13: And you know again when you say that you don't

2215
01:55:08,067 --> 01:55:11,307
Speaker 13: think it will affect yourself and your been, but no,

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Speaker 13: it's absolutely You look at other competitions around the world

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01:55:16,187 --> 01:55:19,747
Speaker 13: and you can just have I remember it was Leicester.

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01:55:19,867 --> 01:55:23,427
Speaker 13: You'd know, well Lester winning the premiership in England out

2219
01:55:23,427 --> 01:55:25,347
Speaker 13: of the blue and they may never do it again,

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01:55:25,587 --> 01:55:30,267
Speaker 13: and that's that. There's a romantic story. But you're still

2221
01:55:30,307 --> 01:55:34,107
Speaker 13: going to have a very good team win Super Rugby.

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01:55:34,827 --> 01:55:36,067
Speaker 13: It's not going to be out of the blue. I

2223
01:55:36,107 --> 01:55:39,827
Speaker 13: wouldn't have thought. But yeah, it's exciting and the viewership

2224
01:55:39,907 --> 01:55:45,587
Speaker 13: is very high, so people are engaged. I think the

2225
01:55:45,707 --> 01:55:51,307
Speaker 13: Fantasy Superrugby Fantasy Rugby is seventy thousand people have registered,

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01:55:51,347 --> 01:55:53,587
Speaker 13: so that you know those people are highly engaged with

2227
01:55:54,507 --> 01:55:57,947
Speaker 13: the competition. But there's lots of really positive things about

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Speaker 13: what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Have you noticed the impact of the Super Rugby Commission.

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Speaker 7: Probably not yet.

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01:56:08,787 --> 01:56:12,267
Speaker 13: I think we've absolutely felt the impact of Jack mus

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01:56:12,267 --> 01:56:17,267
Speaker 13: The CEO of said very specific he's fantastic and just

2233
01:56:17,307 --> 01:56:19,667
Speaker 13: to have somebody else apart from the clubs thinking about

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01:56:19,707 --> 01:56:24,507
Speaker 13: the competition twenty four seven has been really refreshing. I

2235
01:56:24,507 --> 01:56:27,187
Speaker 13: think the next step is making sure he's got resource

2236
01:56:27,227 --> 01:56:31,907
Speaker 13: around him to achieve what we all want. But ye,

2237
01:56:31,947 --> 01:56:36,027
Speaker 13: at the moment, the commissioners is fairly in the silent

2238
01:56:36,147 --> 01:56:39,987
Speaker 13: in the background. They're very capable, but we haven't had

2239
01:56:40,027 --> 01:56:43,827
Speaker 13: a lot of interaction or direction from them. It all

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Speaker 13: gets channel through the CEO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but operationally, yeah, I've had the opportunity to chat

2242
01:56:48,347 --> 01:56:51,787
Speaker 2: to Jack a few times on the show and seems

2243
01:56:51,787 --> 01:56:54,507
Speaker 2: pretty motivated, pretty driven. You've been impressed with your dealings

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01:56:54,587 --> 01:56:55,307
Speaker 2: with Jack.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely.

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01:56:57,387 --> 01:56:58,147
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good man.

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01:56:58,547 --> 01:57:03,587
Speaker 13: He's got really good experience from sports in the commercial world,

2248
01:57:03,707 --> 01:57:05,467
Speaker 13: like Lion Nathan.

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01:57:05,587 --> 01:57:07,267
Speaker 7: So yeah, he's come in.

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Speaker 13: You know, he loves what he's doing and it's quite

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01:57:10,787 --> 01:57:14,387
Speaker 13: infectious to be honest, you know what he's approaching, and

2252
01:57:14,427 --> 01:57:17,787
Speaker 13: he's also going to have a broader scope going forward.

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01:57:17,827 --> 01:57:20,747
Speaker 13: So yeah, he's settled in really well. The club's all

2254
01:57:21,307 --> 01:57:22,187
Speaker 13: big fans of jet.

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Speaker 2: How much contact do you have with your counterparts at

2256
01:57:25,147 --> 01:57:28,787
Speaker 2: the other super rugby franchises like SA colin Mansbridge at

2257
01:57:28,787 --> 01:57:30,707
Speaker 2: the Crusaders, Roger Clark at the Island as the others.

2258
01:57:30,707 --> 01:57:32,827
Speaker 2: Do you have regular contact with those guys?

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01:57:33,947 --> 01:57:36,307
Speaker 13: We do. We have an hour each week on a Friday,

2260
01:57:36,307 --> 01:57:38,547
Speaker 13: but invariably we talk.

2261
01:57:39,067 --> 01:57:40,267
Speaker 7: You know, we've been all.

2262
01:57:40,107 --> 01:57:44,267
Speaker 13: In touch this morning about the commercial opportunity and.

2263
01:57:44,267 --> 01:57:46,707
Speaker 7: You know, it's great. Actually fell out of COVID.

2264
01:57:46,507 --> 01:57:48,507
Speaker 13: So for me, it was the one good thing that

2265
01:57:48,507 --> 01:57:51,227
Speaker 13: came out of COVID was the fact that we sort

2266
01:57:51,227 --> 01:57:53,987
Speaker 13: of appreciate each other. And you know, we talk about

2267
01:57:54,467 --> 01:57:56,627
Speaker 13: eighty twenty rules. So eighty percent of the stuff we

2268
01:57:56,667 --> 01:58:02,227
Speaker 13: do we can do together. Twenty percent is signing players,

2269
01:58:02,947 --> 01:58:07,707
Speaker 13: chasing commercial partners on our own against them, but there's

2270
01:58:07,747 --> 01:58:10,067
Speaker 13: a lot of opportunity to do well. And you know,

2271
01:58:10,107 --> 01:58:14,427
Speaker 13: if you combine five clubs, some of our commercial reach is.

2272
01:58:14,427 --> 01:58:15,427
Speaker 7: Similar to the All Blacks.

2273
01:58:15,827 --> 01:58:18,427
Speaker 13: So you know, if we work together, we can actually

2274
01:58:18,427 --> 01:58:22,427
Speaker 13: bring you know, we avenue into the clubs and more

2275
01:58:22,427 --> 01:58:23,947
Speaker 13: than what we would have through this on our own.

2276
01:58:23,987 --> 01:58:26,427
Speaker 13: So yeah, that one of the things for me is

2277
01:58:26,467 --> 01:58:29,987
Speaker 13: they're all great people. And love working with them and

2278
01:58:30,427 --> 01:58:33,147
Speaker 13: look forward to our catch ups on Friday. So yeah,

2279
01:58:33,147 --> 01:58:36,827
Speaker 13: we're doing more and more, and we've got good staff

2280
01:58:36,867 --> 01:58:38,627
Speaker 13: around us as well to deliver some of that.

2281
01:58:38,667 --> 01:58:42,307
Speaker 7: But yeah, to answer questions, we do, and it's really important.

2282
01:58:43,267 --> 01:58:47,147
Speaker 2: Just some on the recent pretty well publicized financial struggles

2283
01:58:47,187 --> 01:58:50,507
Speaker 2: of Wellington Rugby. Now they have a fifty percent share

2284
01:58:50,547 --> 01:58:54,427
Speaker 2: in the hurricanes, So how do their financial struggles impact you.

2285
01:58:57,707 --> 01:58:59,507
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not not going to go into details.

2286
01:58:59,507 --> 01:59:02,387
Speaker 13: I don't know all of it with regards to Wellington,

2287
01:59:02,427 --> 01:59:05,747
Speaker 13: but yes, they have a certain distant share. Yeah, I

2288
01:59:05,787 --> 01:59:09,587
Speaker 13: think it's you know, it's been widely reported in their

2289
01:59:09,627 --> 01:59:15,627
Speaker 13: annual report that they're considering what that looks like. I'm

2290
01:59:15,667 --> 01:59:18,067
Speaker 13: feeling quite refreshed in the last couple of weeks as

2291
01:59:18,107 --> 01:59:23,827
Speaker 13: there has been changed around the board table in some

2292
01:59:23,867 --> 01:59:28,027
Speaker 13: of our operational relationships with Wellington Rugby has freed up

2293
01:59:29,587 --> 01:59:31,627
Speaker 13: the hurricanes that have made it possible for us to

2294
01:59:31,667 --> 01:59:34,987
Speaker 13: do a lot more ourselves. So I think that's healthy

2295
01:59:35,027 --> 01:59:36,867
Speaker 13: for us, but I also actually think it's healthy for

2296
01:59:36,947 --> 01:59:40,987
Speaker 13: Wellington because the link, a lot of the links are historic.

2297
01:59:41,787 --> 01:59:44,627
Speaker 13: We still want to have a good relationship with Wellington.

2298
01:59:44,667 --> 01:59:47,787
Speaker 13: It makes total sense to have that, but it doesn't

2299
01:59:47,827 --> 01:59:48,707
Speaker 13: need to be.

2300
01:59:50,107 --> 01:59:51,507
Speaker 7: As explicit as it.

2301
01:59:51,507 --> 01:59:56,147
Speaker 13: Has deemed in terms of shared agreements, someting to see ownership.

2302
01:59:56,907 --> 02:00:00,667
Speaker 13: So yeah, is it a change happening, But you know,

2303
02:00:01,027 --> 02:00:04,547
Speaker 13: time will tell exactly how that pans out. But I

2304
02:00:04,587 --> 02:00:06,027
Speaker 13: think it's I think it's encouraging.

2305
02:00:06,867 --> 02:00:09,507
Speaker 2: So you don't feel like commercial or financial risk.

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02:00:12,587 --> 02:00:15,147
Speaker 13: I think we all feel it at the moment. I

2307
02:00:15,187 --> 02:00:18,827
Speaker 13: don't feel it based on Wellington Rugby. I feel it

2308
02:00:18,867 --> 02:00:25,587
Speaker 13: based on getting people to the ground and you know,

2309
02:00:26,747 --> 02:00:29,827
Speaker 13: drive and commercial arrangements in a tough market. That's that's

2310
02:00:29,867 --> 02:00:34,907
Speaker 13: what I probably worry about. I feel like that's coming

2311
02:00:34,947 --> 02:00:38,227
Speaker 13: back on track, So I don't I don't worry about

2312
02:00:38,267 --> 02:00:40,627
Speaker 13: Wellington Rugby apart from the fact that I hope they're

2313
02:00:41,507 --> 02:00:44,627
Speaker 13: you know, successful and sustainable like I do. None of

2314
02:00:44,707 --> 02:00:48,067
Speaker 13: the two Hawks, Bay and every other province in our catchment.

2315
02:00:48,907 --> 02:00:51,147
Speaker 2: Just back to the on field stuff. You know, you

2316
02:00:51,227 --> 02:00:53,587
Speaker 2: talked about some close margins, but also you look at

2317
02:00:53,587 --> 02:00:55,827
Speaker 2: the Hurricane squad and there's some pretty big names missing

2318
02:00:55,827 --> 02:00:58,587
Speaker 2: from the last couple of years. Jordy Barrett, d J Pettinada,

2319
02:00:59,107 --> 02:01:01,747
Speaker 2: Ardie Savia plus An enjoy to Billy Proctor, which has

2320
02:01:01,787 --> 02:01:05,427
Speaker 2: kept him out up until this weekend. You can't impact

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02:01:05,507 --> 02:01:07,947
Speaker 2: any of that, can you. So do you just sort

2322
02:01:07,947 --> 02:01:11,227
Speaker 2: of watch on what on as an interested buy like

2323
02:01:11,267 --> 02:01:11,987
Speaker 2: the rest of us.

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02:01:13,347 --> 02:01:17,787
Speaker 13: No. Absolutely, I've been thinking about moving off is actually

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Speaker 13: because all those teems to get as bad news in here,

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Speaker 13: so I thought maybe I could, maybe I could move

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Speaker 13: somewhere else. It's bloody hard when you've got guys that

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Speaker 13: work extremely hard to play the game and then all

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Speaker 13: the staff that work hard behind the scenes to get

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Speaker 13: them there. It's really hard to see players get injured,

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Speaker 13: and you're right, we've lost We've lost a lot of leadership.

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Speaker 7: I think certainly myself.

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Speaker 13: I can't speak for the coaches, but I felt that

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Speaker 13: that's you know, we had players to replace those names

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Speaker 13: that you've mentioned. It's just their I guess, experience and

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Speaker 13: off field as much as on the field. But you

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Speaker 13: look at our loose forwards, we've got, you know, high

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Speaker 13: quality loose forwards in terms of yeah, we've got high

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Speaker 13: quality of these scores and that that's been part of

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Speaker 13: the reason why I think we've dealt with with already

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Speaker 13: moving on and Artie has done great like he's been

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Speaker 13: fantastic from Wana Pacific are and we're really happy for him.

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Speaker 13: But yeah, getting guys back this weekend like Riley and

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Speaker 13: Billy and Brett Cameron's ahead of schedule.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, like I said, I.

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Speaker 13: Think we've had the team to win every single game

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Speaker 13: we've played this year, but we haven't.

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Speaker 7: It's really good to get players back in.

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Speaker 13: To boost the depths, and we've you know, we've had

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Speaker 13: to have a few guys this year that haven't played

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Speaker 13: a lot of super rugby who's done, you know, done

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Speaker 13: a really good job. You look at Tohn Hark and

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Speaker 13: coming on last weekend, you know he played this weekend

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Speaker 13: start of the year. He wasn't contracted. I watched him

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Speaker 13: play in the Jubilee Cup final for OBU and here

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Speaker 13: he is starting for the Hurricane play in the year.

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Speaker 13: So it's pretty cool because you're giving opportunities to people. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: but I don't think Clark would use injury. There's an

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Speaker 13: excuse we we haven't lost those close games because of injuries.

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Speaker 15: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time, Evan, I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Evan lee Cee have the Hurricane seven to three. That's

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Speaker 2: the show. Thanks to any McDonald for producing What's our

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Speaker 2: holiday break for Easter Anzac Day, so I enjoy it.

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