1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,653 --> 00:00:18,253 Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and 4 00:00:18,293 --> 00:00:21,573 Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one three three for Tuesday, 5 00:00:21,613 --> 00:00:24,013 Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of May twenty twenty five, went deep 6 00:00:24,053 --> 00:00:27,533 Speaker 2: into Winston Peters. There was a lot of passionate chat 7 00:00:27,573 --> 00:00:32,812 Speaker 2: about Winston Peters that turned into a real pylon onto 8 00:00:32,893 --> 00:00:33,613 Speaker 2: cross Hipkins. 9 00:00:33,732 --> 00:00:35,772 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of chat about EMMP as well. 10 00:00:35,853 --> 00:00:36,452 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was. 11 00:00:36,693 --> 00:00:38,452 Speaker 2: It was a wide ranging chat and then we get 12 00:00:38,533 --> 00:00:42,812 Speaker 2: deep into recycling, but we didn't get round to rubbish 13 00:00:42,812 --> 00:00:46,572 Speaker 2: sports results. Was unfortunate. But enjoy the podcast. 14 00:00:46,653 --> 00:00:51,053 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening, Download, subscribe, give us 15 00:00:51,053 --> 00:00:54,653 Speaker 3: a review five stars, all that good stuff and give. 16 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:55,493 Speaker 2: Them a taste key We love you. 17 00:00:55,613 --> 00:01:00,133 Speaker 1: Is the big stories, the big issues, the big trends 18 00:01:00,333 --> 00:01:04,493 Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, 19 00:01:04,733 --> 00:01:05,653 Speaker 1: News Talk SEDB. 20 00:01:07,493 --> 00:01:11,013 Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into the show Tuesday afternoon, 21 00:01:11,093 --> 00:01:13,212 Speaker 3: feeling good. Hope you are to get a. 22 00:01:13,253 --> 00:01:16,813 Speaker 2: Mets, get a Tyler good everyone, Welcome to the show. Hey, yeah, 23 00:01:16,853 --> 00:01:18,853 Speaker 2: you know how I like to highlight good things that 24 00:01:18,893 --> 00:01:21,373 Speaker 2: are happening. Well, there's something that I'm involved in, involved 25 00:01:21,413 --> 00:01:23,533 Speaker 2: in it that I entered. Actually, it's the Pillar to Poe, 26 00:01:24,093 --> 00:01:27,652 Speaker 2: launching on Saturday, the seventh of June this year in Topaur, 27 00:01:27,773 --> 00:01:31,413 Speaker 2: the beautiful town of Topor by the Lake. So what 28 00:01:31,453 --> 00:01:34,053 Speaker 2: this is, right, it's an endurance race. 29 00:01:34,212 --> 00:01:34,452 Speaker 3: Yep. 30 00:01:34,572 --> 00:01:38,253 Speaker 2: It's open to both solo participants and teams. So what 31 00:01:38,292 --> 00:01:41,133 Speaker 2: it does It invites runners and walkers to compete as 32 00:01:41,333 --> 00:01:44,333 Speaker 2: complete as many seven point three kilmeter loops of the 33 00:01:44,373 --> 00:01:48,333 Speaker 2: scenic Topaul lakefront as they can in six hours. 34 00:01:49,573 --> 00:01:50,773 Speaker 3: So's grunt. 35 00:01:51,053 --> 00:01:54,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you hang around. I'm getting a team together. 36 00:01:54,453 --> 00:01:58,293 Speaker 2: They'll probably sit at two Milbo Sailing Club, maybe having 37 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:00,973 Speaker 2: some refreshment, hanging out all day, and then in your 38 00:02:01,013 --> 00:02:03,293 Speaker 2: team you try and do as many of the seven 39 00:02:03,333 --> 00:02:06,613 Speaker 2: point three kilometer loops you can in six hours. Wow. 40 00:02:06,933 --> 00:02:09,173 Speaker 2: And it's going to be really, really fun. It's totally 41 00:02:09,213 --> 00:02:11,573 Speaker 2: beautiful around there. It's going to be an incredible run. 42 00:02:12,013 --> 00:02:14,373 Speaker 2: And you know it's some agent. You can be fourteen 43 00:02:14,453 --> 00:02:16,653 Speaker 2: to fifteen year old. There's a kid's version of it. 44 00:02:17,453 --> 00:02:20,213 Speaker 2: If you don't think you can you can run it, 45 00:02:20,293 --> 00:02:22,093 Speaker 2: then you can walk it. There's a whole lot of 46 00:02:22,133 --> 00:02:25,613 Speaker 2: different options there. So the pillar to Poe. Look it 47 00:02:25,693 --> 00:02:27,053 Speaker 2: up if you want to be part of that. That's 48 00:02:27,093 --> 00:02:31,133 Speaker 2: on the seventh of June this year. I'm excited about it. 49 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:31,813 Speaker 2: I'll be down there. 50 00:02:31,933 --> 00:02:33,813 Speaker 3: Yep, that'll be a fantastic event. Pillar. 51 00:02:34,252 --> 00:02:40,333 Speaker 2: I think I'm a relay team of three, So how 52 00:02:40,373 --> 00:02:42,973 Speaker 2: I'm not sure how many rotations of seven point three 53 00:02:43,053 --> 00:02:46,292 Speaker 2: kilimeters we can get done in our time in six hours? 54 00:02:46,373 --> 00:02:48,933 Speaker 3: Do you have to do the seven point three k 55 00:02:49,213 --> 00:02:51,413 Speaker 3: one person? So you to do it as many loops 56 00:02:51,453 --> 00:02:51,893 Speaker 3: as you can. 57 00:02:52,013 --> 00:02:54,173 Speaker 2: It's like a relay, right, So you do one loop 58 00:02:54,213 --> 00:02:56,413 Speaker 2: and then the next person does a loop in the 59 00:02:56,453 --> 00:02:57,013 Speaker 2: next person. 60 00:02:57,293 --> 00:02:58,933 Speaker 3: So I couldn't do three K and then hand it 61 00:02:58,933 --> 00:03:00,573 Speaker 3: over to somebody else to know the other four kr. 62 00:03:00,693 --> 00:03:01,933 Speaker 2: No, you go, that's the pill of the post. So 63 00:03:01,972 --> 00:03:03,653 Speaker 2: it's a big circle. You come back and you arrive 64 00:03:03,693 --> 00:03:05,373 Speaker 2: back where you start it, and then you swap over 65 00:03:05,693 --> 00:03:07,493 Speaker 2: and then the other person does seven point three. So 66 00:03:08,093 --> 00:03:10,013 Speaker 2: how you work it out? How many you think you 67 00:03:10,053 --> 00:03:11,413 Speaker 2: can do in many a team. You can do it 68 00:03:11,413 --> 00:03:13,333 Speaker 2: by yourself and just do rotations the whole time for 69 00:03:13,373 --> 00:03:15,333 Speaker 2: six hours if you want, you can have two people 70 00:03:15,413 --> 00:03:17,532 Speaker 2: and or you can have up to six people doing it. Yeah, 71 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:19,653 Speaker 2: so I'm in a team of three, but one of 72 00:03:19,653 --> 00:03:21,893 Speaker 2: them's my partner, Tracy, and she says she's only going 73 00:03:21,972 --> 00:03:22,933 Speaker 2: to run one of them. 74 00:03:23,293 --> 00:03:26,453 Speaker 3: So one in six hours, Tracy, come on. 75 00:03:26,813 --> 00:03:30,532 Speaker 2: So the other how many rotations we can do is 76 00:03:30,532 --> 00:03:32,533 Speaker 2: going to be down to me and my mate. 77 00:03:32,653 --> 00:03:34,653 Speaker 3: You're a pretty good runner. Who's the other guy? Is 78 00:03:34,693 --> 00:03:35,733 Speaker 3: the other guy? Pretty good runner? 79 00:03:35,733 --> 00:03:36,573 Speaker 2: He's pretty goodrunner? 80 00:03:36,613 --> 00:03:39,973 Speaker 3: Okay, pretty good runner. Fantastic event. Go check it out 81 00:03:40,013 --> 00:03:45,213 Speaker 3: pillar twopo dot com and something that should be absolutely 82 00:03:45,213 --> 00:03:47,093 Speaker 3: supported and it will be a lot of fun. Right 83 00:03:47,133 --> 00:03:50,933 Speaker 3: on to today's show after three o'clock most humili eighteen 84 00:03:51,293 --> 00:03:54,853 Speaker 3: sport losses. So it's a great story over in the UK. 85 00:03:54,973 --> 00:03:58,133 Speaker 3: When the captain of Richmond's fourth eleven won the toss 86 00:03:58,133 --> 00:04:02,533 Speaker 3: and invited North London Crickets Club's third eleven to bat 87 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:06,333 Speaker 3: first on Saturday, he was not envisioning a defeat that 88 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,493 Speaker 3: would end with his team bowled out four. 89 00:04:09,973 --> 00:04:13,853 Speaker 2: Two runs far, so they posted four hundred and twenty 90 00:04:13,893 --> 00:04:19,613 Speaker 2: six for six and then then Richmond's fourth eleven were 91 00:04:19,613 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 2: all out for two and it could have been zero 92 00:04:21,893 --> 00:04:24,493 Speaker 2: because there was a nick through slips that was dropped 93 00:04:24,733 --> 00:04:26,733 Speaker 2: and there was a wide so that's how they got 94 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:29,733 Speaker 2: their two runs. So it's one of the most historically 95 00:04:29,893 --> 00:04:33,173 Speaker 2: bad losses in the history of all sport. And so 96 00:04:33,253 --> 00:04:35,013 Speaker 2: we want to talk about that eight hundred and eighty 97 00:04:35,093 --> 00:04:38,493 Speaker 2: ten eighty. If your team has had a horrific and 98 00:04:38,573 --> 00:04:41,373 Speaker 2: humiliating loss in its time and you want to share 99 00:04:41,373 --> 00:04:46,493 Speaker 2: that story and maybe experience the cathartic nature of sharing 100 00:04:46,533 --> 00:04:47,973 Speaker 2: a humiliation, we'd love to hear from you. 101 00:04:48,133 --> 00:04:49,653 Speaker 3: Yep, you've got one. You're going to share as well. 102 00:04:49,653 --> 00:04:51,493 Speaker 2: After three clode mine was so human. 103 00:04:51,613 --> 00:04:53,893 Speaker 3: This is good, folks. That is after three o'clock, After 104 00:04:53,893 --> 00:04:56,813 Speaker 3: two o'clock of years worth of plastic waste, once collected 105 00:04:56,853 --> 00:04:59,773 Speaker 3: for recycling is likely to end up in landfill. This 106 00:04:59,853 --> 00:05:01,973 Speaker 3: is in the Far North. The council has run out 107 00:05:02,013 --> 00:05:04,653 Speaker 3: of space for the one hundred and ninety ton stockpile, 108 00:05:04,813 --> 00:05:07,813 Speaker 3: which grew after markets for this type one plastic started 109 00:05:07,813 --> 00:05:10,493 Speaker 3: to fade around the world. Nobody would take it anymore. 110 00:05:10,533 --> 00:05:13,053 Speaker 3: So it's going to cost forty five thousand dollars to 111 00:05:13,053 --> 00:05:16,853 Speaker 3: go to landfill. And I've stopped accepting rather colored type 112 00:05:16,973 --> 00:05:17,933 Speaker 3: one plastic. 113 00:05:18,213 --> 00:05:20,373 Speaker 2: Do you believe that the stuff you're putting in the 114 00:05:20,373 --> 00:05:22,973 Speaker 2: recycling bin is being recycled. I don't know if I 115 00:05:23,013 --> 00:05:25,493 Speaker 2: do anymore. Whenever we scratch the surface on it, it's 116 00:05:25,493 --> 00:05:27,773 Speaker 2: all a bit dodgy. It's all not quite what you 117 00:05:27,813 --> 00:05:30,733 Speaker 2: think it is. We're all spending all our time, particularly Tyler. 118 00:05:30,733 --> 00:05:32,453 Speaker 2: We've talked about this on the show. Before you put 119 00:05:32,453 --> 00:05:35,053 Speaker 2: your stuff through the dishwasher, love it. You're putting all 120 00:05:35,093 --> 00:05:37,893 Speaker 2: this effort in and wasting key moments of your life. 121 00:05:37,973 --> 00:05:40,253 Speaker 2: You put it in the recycling bin like a great, good, 122 00:05:40,453 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 2: honest kiwi and then when you look into it, it's 123 00:05:44,013 --> 00:05:47,813 Speaker 2: just going into landfill and sow. Do we need to 124 00:05:47,853 --> 00:05:51,013 Speaker 2: be more transparent exactly what percentages have been recycling, what's 125 00:05:51,053 --> 00:05:53,893 Speaker 2: being done, what's happening. If we're going to put the 126 00:05:53,893 --> 00:05:56,293 Speaker 2: effort in, then do we need to know more? Because 127 00:05:56,413 --> 00:05:59,773 Speaker 2: I just think that way more of it is just 128 00:05:59,853 --> 00:06:01,813 Speaker 2: going in the rubbish. Then we know. 129 00:06:02,133 --> 00:06:03,653 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people will agree with you, 130 00:06:03,733 --> 00:06:05,933 Speaker 3: But that is after two o'clock, because right now, let's 131 00:06:05,973 --> 00:06:08,173 Speaker 3: have a chat about Winston Peters, the New Zealand First 132 00:06:08,973 --> 00:06:12,293 Speaker 3: currently still the Deputy Prime Minister. He finishes that post 133 00:06:12,333 --> 00:06:14,653 Speaker 3: on the thirty first of May, but he has ruled 134 00:06:14,693 --> 00:06:17,933 Speaker 3: out working with the Labor leader Chris Hopkins after the 135 00:06:17,973 --> 00:06:20,773 Speaker 3: next election. He sat down for an interview with The 136 00:06:20,773 --> 00:06:22,973 Speaker 3: Herald as his time as Deputy Prime Minister comes to 137 00:06:23,013 --> 00:06:25,333 Speaker 3: an end. When what he said, I quote when I 138 00:06:25,413 --> 00:06:27,773 Speaker 3: ruled out Hopkins in twenty twenty three, I ruled him 139 00:06:27,813 --> 00:06:29,053 Speaker 3: out permanently. 140 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:33,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's this smart from Winston and why won't 141 00:06:33,373 --> 00:06:37,693 Speaker 2: Chippy ruled out Winston in return? Look, Winston Peter Peters 142 00:06:37,733 --> 00:06:40,693 Speaker 2: has been in and out of government since nineteen seventy eight, 143 00:06:41,013 --> 00:06:43,213 Speaker 2: which is quite amazing. Yeah, good right, what do you 144 00:06:43,213 --> 00:06:46,093 Speaker 2: think of him this time around? He stops being Deputy 145 00:06:46,133 --> 00:06:49,853 Speaker 2: PM on May thirty one, he's still Foreign Minister. How 146 00:06:49,893 --> 00:06:51,733 Speaker 2: do he do? Is Deputy PM? And do you want 147 00:06:51,733 --> 00:06:54,573 Speaker 2: to see more Winnie back in twenty twenty six? 148 00:06:54,813 --> 00:06:55,213 Speaker 3: Yeah? 149 00:06:55,373 --> 00:06:57,293 Speaker 2: Is this generation? Because there's been a lot of different 150 00:06:57,293 --> 00:06:59,253 Speaker 2: Winning's over the years. There certainly has been What do 151 00:06:59,253 --> 00:07:01,133 Speaker 2: you think about this iteration of Winnie? Yeah? 152 00:07:01,333 --> 00:07:05,333 Speaker 3: Well, as you mentioned, Matt Chippy has not quite ruled 153 00:07:05,333 --> 00:07:07,893 Speaker 3: out working with Winston Peters again, even though Winston says 154 00:07:07,893 --> 00:07:10,733 Speaker 3: he will work with Chris Hipkins. But he was on 155 00:07:10,773 --> 00:07:13,613 Speaker 3: with Ryan Bridge this morning and he is a little 156 00:07:13,653 --> 00:07:14,653 Speaker 3: bit of what he said. 157 00:07:15,173 --> 00:07:17,253 Speaker 2: Are you willing then to rule him out? I mean, 158 00:07:17,253 --> 00:07:19,893 Speaker 2: he's already said no to you, so surely there's. 159 00:07:19,693 --> 00:07:20,173 Speaker 1: No harm now. 160 00:07:20,213 --> 00:07:22,093 Speaker 3: And you're saying, you know what Whenny Well. 161 00:07:22,213 --> 00:07:23,933 Speaker 4: I did that before the last election, and I said 162 00:07:23,973 --> 00:07:25,813 Speaker 4: that I think it's highly unlikely that's going to change 163 00:07:25,853 --> 00:07:26,493 Speaker 4: before the next. 164 00:07:26,453 --> 00:07:28,853 Speaker 2: Let But they're highly unlikely. It's not not, is it? 165 00:07:28,933 --> 00:07:29,213 Speaker 5: Well? 166 00:07:29,213 --> 00:07:32,053 Speaker 2: I said, we'll said it out before that. But you 167 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:37,173 Speaker 2: said he's a tobacco lobbyist. You said that he's basically racist, he's. 168 00:07:37,053 --> 00:07:40,573 Speaker 3: A pale version of Donald Trump, and he's ruled you out. 169 00:07:41,213 --> 00:07:41,373 Speaker 6: Why. 170 00:07:41,653 --> 00:07:44,133 Speaker 4: It's quite a good summary, actually, I think that's not 171 00:07:44,253 --> 00:07:46,533 Speaker 4: too bad at all. But look, the reality here is. 172 00:07:46,533 --> 00:07:48,253 Speaker 4: I think you know, New Zealanders have had enough of 173 00:07:48,333 --> 00:07:51,253 Speaker 4: the country being held to ransom by WINDSOI so it's 174 00:07:51,293 --> 00:07:52,933 Speaker 4: pretty clear now if you vote for Winston Peters, you're 175 00:07:52,973 --> 00:07:56,093 Speaker 4: voting for Christopher Luxe and David Seymour and Winston Peters 176 00:07:56,173 --> 00:07:58,653 Speaker 4: to continue to run their coalition of chaos. 177 00:07:58,693 --> 00:08:02,293 Speaker 7: You're saying definitively you will not work with Winston Peters either. 178 00:08:02,333 --> 00:08:04,253 Speaker 4: I'm saying exactly the same thing that I've been saying. 179 00:08:06,133 --> 00:08:08,253 Speaker 4: You will say out before the election, because I mean, 180 00:08:08,413 --> 00:08:10,893 Speaker 4: I'm not going to get into the specifics of individual parties, 181 00:08:10,893 --> 00:08:12,773 Speaker 4: but you said, we'll get asked about that because then 182 00:08:12,813 --> 00:08:13,893 Speaker 4: you'll ask me about other parties. 183 00:08:14,013 --> 00:08:15,133 Speaker 2: Is position to do that? 184 00:08:15,253 --> 00:08:16,173 Speaker 8: Is he racist or not? 185 00:08:16,573 --> 00:08:18,773 Speaker 4: But I just think Whenston Peters has got such backwards 186 00:08:18,813 --> 00:08:20,293 Speaker 4: views on a whole lot of things, but you know 187 00:08:20,293 --> 00:08:22,613 Speaker 4: he's more interested in a culture war than he is 188 00:08:22,813 --> 00:08:25,693 Speaker 4: actually leading the country forward, that you'd still work with him. Look, 189 00:08:25,893 --> 00:08:28,413 Speaker 4: I said, it's highly unlikely to a position on That's 190 00:08:28,453 --> 00:08:29,093 Speaker 4: the funny thing. 191 00:08:29,253 --> 00:08:31,813 Speaker 2: The funny thing about this is that you you kind 192 00:08:31,813 --> 00:08:32,933 Speaker 2: of have to keep the door open. 193 00:08:33,093 --> 00:08:33,892 Speaker 1: I mean, that's m MP. 194 00:08:34,413 --> 00:08:35,893 Speaker 2: You have to keep the door open a little bit 195 00:08:35,933 --> 00:08:38,012 Speaker 2: in case he does want you. Well, look once that's 196 00:08:38,013 --> 00:08:38,453 Speaker 2: what you're doing. 197 00:08:38,533 --> 00:08:38,653 Speaker 9: SI. 198 00:08:38,693 --> 00:08:41,933 Speaker 4: Peters has made it clear that he's wedded to Christopher Luxen, 199 00:08:42,213 --> 00:08:44,053 Speaker 4: So if you're voting for him, you're voting for Christopher 200 00:08:44,093 --> 00:08:46,053 Speaker 4: luxm That's that's absolutely clear. 201 00:08:46,173 --> 00:08:48,732 Speaker 2: That's is that one of the most sort of awkward 202 00:08:48,813 --> 00:08:51,813 Speaker 2: parts of politics in New Zealand and MMP. You've been 203 00:08:51,892 --> 00:08:54,252 Speaker 2: ruled out by someone, but you don't have the guts 204 00:08:54,293 --> 00:08:56,652 Speaker 2: to rule that personality, doesn't have the guts to rule 205 00:08:56,653 --> 00:08:58,732 Speaker 2: Winston Peter's out because he's thinking I might need him 206 00:08:58,773 --> 00:09:00,573 Speaker 2: to get into bower even though he said all these 207 00:09:00,653 --> 00:09:02,813 Speaker 2: willing to say all these horrible things about him, but. 208 00:09:02,773 --> 00:09:06,573 Speaker 3: He's not rast, you know, a Trump like, But he 209 00:09:06,653 --> 00:09:09,053 Speaker 3: still can't say I'd never work with Winston Peters. 210 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:12,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so very awkward. And then Chippy's saying, you know, 211 00:09:12,573 --> 00:09:14,533 Speaker 2: will you'll just ask me about other parties. It's like, 212 00:09:14,612 --> 00:09:16,693 Speaker 2: why couldn't we ask you about other parties? Saying as 213 00:09:16,813 --> 00:09:20,012 Speaker 2: MMP involves coalitions. Yeah, so it's a very very awkward 214 00:09:20,053 --> 00:09:22,973 Speaker 2: part of part of things. But when it comes to 215 00:09:23,093 --> 00:09:25,813 Speaker 2: MP But is it smart from Winston to rule out 216 00:09:25,973 --> 00:09:29,172 Speaker 2: Chippy because he's been with Labor before twice, hasn't he? Yeah, 217 00:09:29,612 --> 00:09:31,732 Speaker 2: he won't do it with this with Chippy in charge. 218 00:09:31,813 --> 00:09:32,653 Speaker 3: Yeap, what do you say? 219 00:09:32,653 --> 00:09:32,733 Speaker 10: Oh? 220 00:09:32,773 --> 00:09:34,973 Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 221 00:09:35,012 --> 00:09:37,612 Speaker 3: Love your thoughts on this one. It is quarter past one. 222 00:09:38,773 --> 00:09:42,292 Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and 223 00:09:42,492 --> 00:09:46,333 Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used 224 00:09:46,333 --> 00:09:47,012 Speaker 1: talk Z'd. 225 00:09:46,852 --> 00:09:50,213 Speaker 3: Be very good afternoon to you. We're talking about Winston Peters. 226 00:09:50,213 --> 00:09:53,012 Speaker 3: He has ruled out working with labor leader Chris Hopkins. 227 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:56,493 Speaker 3: And that's important to specify that he's ruled out working 228 00:09:56,492 --> 00:09:59,093 Speaker 3: with Chris Hopkins. He hasn't ruled out working with Labor. 229 00:09:59,612 --> 00:10:02,132 Speaker 3: And it is wiley of Winston, isn't it that Effectively 230 00:10:02,173 --> 00:10:04,133 Speaker 3: he is saying that the Labor Party you need to 231 00:10:04,132 --> 00:10:06,413 Speaker 3: ditch your leader. Then I might come to the party 232 00:10:06,852 --> 00:10:08,133 Speaker 3: under MMP if you need me. 233 00:10:08,492 --> 00:10:10,252 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're saying the right because it's a problem 234 00:10:10,293 --> 00:10:14,373 Speaker 2: with MMP that this ruling in and ruling out. But 235 00:10:14,732 --> 00:10:15,852 Speaker 2: I don't know, is it a problem with the m 236 00:10:15,933 --> 00:10:18,533 Speaker 2: MP or is it a problem with gutlass politicians. So 237 00:10:18,892 --> 00:10:22,732 Speaker 2: if you have all these horrible things that Chris Hopkins 238 00:10:22,773 --> 00:10:24,653 Speaker 2: has to say about Winston Peter's, but then you're not 239 00:10:24,653 --> 00:10:26,293 Speaker 2: willing to go to the next step and say that 240 00:10:26,333 --> 00:10:28,372 Speaker 2: you won't work with them, it kind of makes what 241 00:10:28,372 --> 00:10:32,612 Speaker 2: you're saying about them meaningless because you're saying, I believe 242 00:10:32,653 --> 00:10:34,172 Speaker 2: all this, but I might work with them. 243 00:10:34,372 --> 00:10:34,612 Speaker 3: Yeah. 244 00:10:35,252 --> 00:10:38,573 Speaker 2: I probably don't think I will, yeah, but but I might. 245 00:10:38,653 --> 00:10:41,613 Speaker 2: Then everything else from then on that you say to 246 00:10:41,693 --> 00:10:44,932 Speaker 2: slag this guy off as kind of meaningless, because the 247 00:10:45,453 --> 00:10:48,373 Speaker 2: thing you can do is say we won't work with them, 248 00:10:48,933 --> 00:10:51,892 Speaker 2: I agree, and then you have a strong moral stance. 249 00:10:51,892 --> 00:10:53,292 Speaker 2: But if you're not, if you're wanting to say these 250 00:10:53,293 --> 00:10:56,372 Speaker 2: things but not followed up with that stance, then you 251 00:10:56,413 --> 00:10:58,493 Speaker 2: know you're looking like you just want to get into 252 00:10:58,492 --> 00:10:59,173 Speaker 2: power no matter what. 253 00:10:59,293 --> 00:11:00,732 Speaker 3: Yep, you've got to put it on the line. That's 254 00:11:00,732 --> 00:11:03,413 Speaker 3: called integrity. Dallas, How are you this afternoon? 255 00:11:04,573 --> 00:11:05,453 Speaker 11: Yeah, good guys. 256 00:11:06,413 --> 00:11:09,852 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that's a good point, Matt, that politicians 257 00:11:09,892 --> 00:11:13,333 Speaker 12: generally should play the ball and not the man because then, 258 00:11:13,453 --> 00:11:18,013 Speaker 12: as you say, they get caught out. So, but it's different. 259 00:11:18,173 --> 00:11:22,773 Speaker 12: MP is different. Right up to the election, it's you're 260 00:11:22,813 --> 00:11:25,292 Speaker 12: trying to establish your own party, aren't you, against all 261 00:11:25,293 --> 00:11:28,853 Speaker 12: the others? And then after the election the whole thing 262 00:11:28,973 --> 00:11:32,013 Speaker 12: changes and then suddenly you have to find mates that 263 00:11:32,132 --> 00:11:35,652 Speaker 12: you could form a coinituence. So yeah, that's the trouble 264 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:41,132 Speaker 12: with the MP. It's sort of schizophrenic by that. Yeah, 265 00:11:41,213 --> 00:11:44,293 Speaker 12: I think that when he though when he had Peter 266 00:11:44,492 --> 00:11:49,653 Speaker 12: Dunne are the most successful MP politicians. They've understood MP 267 00:11:49,852 --> 00:11:52,493 Speaker 12: how it works from the start and they managed to 268 00:11:52,573 --> 00:11:57,533 Speaker 12: exploit it for their own ends in a really quite 269 00:11:57,612 --> 00:11:59,653 Speaker 12: incredible way. You'd have to say that win he's the 270 00:11:59,693 --> 00:12:02,533 Speaker 12: best I've never voted for him, but he's the best 271 00:12:02,533 --> 00:12:05,373 Speaker 12: politician in the last MP year of the forty years 272 00:12:05,413 --> 00:12:06,893 Speaker 12: of whatever it is. 273 00:12:06,933 --> 00:12:09,132 Speaker 2: You know what, he's managed to become Depity Prime minister 274 00:12:09,252 --> 00:12:11,133 Speaker 2: three times. That's quite a president. 275 00:12:11,053 --> 00:12:14,973 Speaker 3: Are very impressive. Yeah, and so on his overall strategy, 276 00:12:14,973 --> 00:12:16,973 Speaker 3: he's wildly no doubt about that. And as you say, 277 00:12:16,973 --> 00:12:20,693 Speaker 3: he's been an incredibly successful politician. This strategy of ruling 278 00:12:20,693 --> 00:12:22,372 Speaker 3: out Chris Hipkins. Where do you sit on that one? 279 00:12:22,453 --> 00:12:23,053 Speaker 8: Dallas? 280 00:12:24,053 --> 00:12:28,253 Speaker 12: It's interesting, isn't it. He's gone early with that a strategy, 281 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:31,973 Speaker 12: and you'd have to say he's always been pretty on 282 00:12:32,012 --> 00:12:35,933 Speaker 12: the ball when it comes to strategizing, So you know, 283 00:12:36,093 --> 00:12:39,573 Speaker 12: I wouldn't really criticize him because he's usually right, isn't 284 00:12:39,573 --> 00:12:40,732 Speaker 12: he strategy? 285 00:12:41,892 --> 00:12:43,693 Speaker 3: I mean from my point of view, Dallas, and keen 286 00:12:43,773 --> 00:12:46,573 Speaker 3: to get your view on this. But the Labor and 287 00:12:46,653 --> 00:12:49,612 Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins they are ran it looks like a very 288 00:12:49,653 --> 00:12:52,293 Speaker 3: tricky position. I know we're eighteen months away from the election, 289 00:12:52,453 --> 00:12:56,093 Speaker 3: but their mates at the moment are not particularly looking 290 00:12:56,173 --> 00:12:59,933 Speaker 3: like mates. Whereas you may argue against this, but the 291 00:12:59,973 --> 00:13:03,333 Speaker 3: coalition as it stands has worked out better than many 292 00:13:03,333 --> 00:13:03,892 Speaker 3: thought it would. 293 00:13:05,653 --> 00:13:07,533 Speaker 12: It certainly happens that I was one of them. I 294 00:13:07,573 --> 00:13:12,533 Speaker 12: thought coalition with Buckle and crashed. But it's to their 295 00:13:12,533 --> 00:13:16,932 Speaker 12: credit although I won't votes of him, so held it, 296 00:13:17,453 --> 00:13:20,053 Speaker 12: you know, to his credit lacks and filled that team together. 297 00:13:20,973 --> 00:13:24,132 Speaker 12: And you know, as you say, Ship, he's got a 298 00:13:24,132 --> 00:13:27,493 Speaker 12: lot of problems on the left, you know. And I 299 00:13:27,573 --> 00:13:30,813 Speaker 12: think for the message for the Greens in Tipoi Maurray, 300 00:13:31,012 --> 00:13:33,292 Speaker 12: do they want just to be a pressure group in 301 00:13:33,333 --> 00:13:35,773 Speaker 12: the next election or do they want to actually be 302 00:13:35,892 --> 00:13:38,492 Speaker 12: in power? They've got usselves that, you know. 303 00:13:39,612 --> 00:13:42,132 Speaker 2: So Dallas. When St Peter's has been in Parliament and 304 00:13:42,173 --> 00:13:45,173 Speaker 2: an out of pilate since nineteen seventy eight, he's obviously 305 00:13:45,173 --> 00:13:46,973 Speaker 2: been a part of this coalition. How do you rate 306 00:13:47,612 --> 00:13:50,293 Speaker 2: this time round out of all the iterations of Winston 307 00:13:50,333 --> 00:13:52,853 Speaker 2: Peter's how do you see him now and going into 308 00:13:52,852 --> 00:13:53,293 Speaker 2: the future. 309 00:13:54,973 --> 00:13:58,252 Speaker 12: Well, he's been a good what can we say foreign minister? 310 00:13:58,372 --> 00:14:03,293 Speaker 12: We will agree on that, yep. But then he brings 311 00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:06,372 Speaker 12: out the worst and the best of MMP Like he's 312 00:14:06,773 --> 00:14:09,573 Speaker 12: you know, as I said, he's a mark, a strategist 313 00:14:09,213 --> 00:14:11,973 Speaker 12: and he knows how to play the game of m MP. 314 00:14:12,533 --> 00:14:15,173 Speaker 12: But also he's like the worst of it just the 315 00:14:15,213 --> 00:14:19,213 Speaker 12: way he I don't know, just the way he acts 316 00:14:19,253 --> 00:14:22,093 Speaker 12: towards others, just that I just don't like it. And 317 00:14:22,173 --> 00:14:24,693 Speaker 12: you know, that's the worst of MP And I think 318 00:14:24,733 --> 00:14:26,893 Speaker 12: if you had a vote, should we go back to FSP, 319 00:14:27,093 --> 00:14:29,413 Speaker 12: there might be a move to go back to FFP. 320 00:14:29,813 --> 00:14:32,853 Speaker 2: What do you think, oh, first past the post. Absolutely, 321 00:14:33,733 --> 00:14:35,813 Speaker 2: I much preferred first past the post. And I know 322 00:14:35,853 --> 00:14:40,053 Speaker 2: people were furious about it because it meant that, you know, 323 00:14:40,173 --> 00:14:42,573 Speaker 2: it was open to manipulation to a certain extent, and 324 00:14:42,933 --> 00:14:46,172 Speaker 2: you could have parties losing the popular vote but still 325 00:14:46,173 --> 00:14:48,853 Speaker 2: being in power. But in the end, what we've got 326 00:14:48,893 --> 00:14:52,973 Speaker 2: with MMP is everything is decided by the minority and 327 00:14:53,733 --> 00:14:56,333 Speaker 2: all we ever do is talk about the absolute extremes 328 00:14:56,773 --> 00:14:59,253 Speaker 2: all the time. And you know, there's an argument that 329 00:14:59,253 --> 00:15:01,052 Speaker 2: the two parties that are most similar to each other 330 00:15:01,133 --> 00:15:05,133 Speaker 2: are Labor and National and they will never form a 331 00:15:05,133 --> 00:15:08,133 Speaker 2: coalition together. So you have these parties that aren't too 332 00:15:08,333 --> 00:15:10,853 Speaker 2: different from each other then reaching out to the left 333 00:15:10,893 --> 00:15:14,733 Speaker 2: and reaching out to the right to put together coalitions. 334 00:15:14,933 --> 00:15:19,453 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think the system has worked. 335 00:15:19,933 --> 00:15:21,933 Speaker 2: I think it's made things pretty bizarre. It's work definitely, 336 00:15:21,933 --> 00:15:24,733 Speaker 2: as you say, Dallas It's worked fantastically for Winston Peters, 337 00:15:24,853 --> 00:15:25,413 Speaker 2: that's for sure. 338 00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:28,413 Speaker 3: But yeah, Dallas, I agree. I mean the very fact 339 00:15:28,453 --> 00:15:30,933 Speaker 3: that we're talking about Winston Peters now that he's ruling 340 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,373 Speaker 3: out Labor, clearly he's a big player ahead of the 341 00:15:33,373 --> 00:15:35,453 Speaker 3: election and we're eighteen months away, but we all know 342 00:15:35,533 --> 00:15:38,413 Speaker 3: it that you know, as it stands at the moment, 343 00:15:38,453 --> 00:15:41,013 Speaker 3: it's highly likely that he may be calling the shots again. 344 00:15:41,733 --> 00:15:43,973 Speaker 3: Where the Chris Hipkins is leader, then clearly he's going 345 00:15:44,053 --> 00:15:46,693 Speaker 3: to go with the right. But if Labor ditches Chris Hipkins, 346 00:15:46,893 --> 00:15:49,453 Speaker 3: then he may be in that king maker position again. 347 00:15:49,693 --> 00:15:52,613 Speaker 3: And I am sick of it. I am tired of 348 00:15:53,053 --> 00:15:54,773 Speaker 3: And this isn't having to go at New Zealand first, 349 00:15:54,853 --> 00:15:57,412 Speaker 3: this is just the MMP system where it is a 350 00:15:57,453 --> 00:16:01,533 Speaker 3: party that last election I believe, got about seven percent 351 00:16:01,613 --> 00:16:04,613 Speaker 3: of the vote gets to decide who's going to be government. 352 00:16:05,533 --> 00:16:09,093 Speaker 12: Yeah, and as you say, well, the thing is he's 353 00:16:09,133 --> 00:16:12,173 Speaker 12: no longer going to be Deputy Prime Minister, right, so 354 00:16:12,253 --> 00:16:17,493 Speaker 12: now he's unleashed, you know. Yeah, he doesn't have to 355 00:16:17,493 --> 00:16:20,653 Speaker 12: be polite now because now he's no longer DP, so 356 00:16:20,733 --> 00:16:23,693 Speaker 12: he's in campaign campaign mood mode. 357 00:16:23,933 --> 00:16:25,893 Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, thank you, So much for we call Dallas 358 00:16:25,933 --> 00:16:27,933 Speaker 2: appreciate it? Yeah, what about that he says something nice 359 00:16:27,973 --> 00:16:29,573 Speaker 2: about the coalition even though he wouldn't vote him. You 360 00:16:29,573 --> 00:16:32,013 Speaker 2: don't get that and pop politics these days. 361 00:16:32,413 --> 00:16:33,613 Speaker 3: He's a good man, Dallas. 362 00:16:33,413 --> 00:16:35,933 Speaker 2: It's pretty binary the way people look at things now, 363 00:16:35,973 --> 00:16:37,773 Speaker 2: exactly oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. 364 00:16:37,853 --> 00:16:40,133 Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts about Winston taking a stand 365 00:16:40,413 --> 00:16:44,693 Speaker 3: against labor leader Chris Hipkins, the MMP environment. Is it working? 366 00:16:44,813 --> 00:16:46,613 Speaker 3: Is it still fit for purpose? Love your thoughts? 367 00:16:46,733 --> 00:16:49,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what do you think of the current Winston? 368 00:16:49,373 --> 00:16:52,173 Speaker 2: Have you forgiven him for past sins or are you 369 00:16:52,253 --> 00:16:55,173 Speaker 2: still furious like people were in twenty seventeen. 370 00:16:55,213 --> 00:16:57,253 Speaker 3: It is twenty five past one. 371 00:16:58,093 --> 00:17:02,653 Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast. 372 00:17:02,173 --> 00:17:05,173 Speaker 13: So strange possibly confusing messages coming from the police over 373 00:17:05,293 --> 00:17:07,733 Speaker 13: retail crime. There's a directive to police staff that tells 374 00:17:07,773 --> 00:17:10,453 Speaker 13: them they will no longer be investigating shoplifting if it's 375 00:17:10,533 --> 00:17:13,133 Speaker 13: less than five hundred bucks. Sunday Kershel, chairperson of the 376 00:17:13,133 --> 00:17:15,893 Speaker 13: Ministry of Justices Retail Crime Group. If it's true, this 377 00:17:16,013 --> 00:17:17,893 Speaker 13: goes against what you're working towards. 378 00:17:17,933 --> 00:17:19,572 Speaker 14: That's very true. You know, if you thought we are 379 00:17:19,573 --> 00:17:23,053 Speaker 14: making news progress and these kind of insteption hinders the 380 00:17:23,173 --> 00:17:25,813 Speaker 14: work that we're doing. The best returns for detail crime 381 00:17:25,933 --> 00:17:28,253 Speaker 14: is having criminals not they will be caught and fast 382 00:17:28,293 --> 00:17:30,213 Speaker 14: consequences for the crimes exactly. 383 00:17:30,213 --> 00:17:32,773 Speaker 13: Well, I just wonder if what has been articulated is 384 00:17:32,813 --> 00:17:35,253 Speaker 13: what they do anyway, And it just happens to have 385 00:17:35,373 --> 00:17:38,253 Speaker 13: leaked out back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking 386 00:17:38,293 --> 00:17:40,653 Speaker 13: Breakfast with a Vida News talk z B. 387 00:17:42,053 --> 00:17:44,213 Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, twenty seven past one, and 388 00:17:44,253 --> 00:17:47,213 Speaker 3: we're talking about Winston Peters. In an interview with The Herald, 389 00:17:47,253 --> 00:17:50,973 Speaker 3: he ruled out ever working with Labor leader Chris Hipkins, 390 00:17:51,013 --> 00:17:54,573 Speaker 3: not Labor the party, just Chris Hipkins. But we're also 391 00:17:54,653 --> 00:17:57,013 Speaker 3: talking about the MMP environment as well. So can you 392 00:17:57,053 --> 00:17:58,733 Speaker 3: get your thoughts on our one hundred and eighty ten eighty. 393 00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:01,373 Speaker 2: I'm just reading this quote here that from Winston Peters 394 00:18:01,413 --> 00:18:04,693 Speaker 2: about big city media commentators in two thousand and two. 395 00:18:04,853 --> 00:18:10,413 Speaker 2: Right yep, smart alec arrogant, key sheeting, shardonay, drinking, pinky 396 00:18:10,613 --> 00:18:14,373 Speaker 2: finger pointing, snobbery, fart blossoms. Is that what he said 397 00:18:14,613 --> 00:18:15,453 Speaker 2: in two thousand and two? 398 00:18:15,493 --> 00:18:17,133 Speaker 3: Well done, Winston oh give them that. 399 00:18:17,173 --> 00:18:24,293 Speaker 2: I mean alec arrogant keysh eating shardonay, drinking, pinky finger pointing, snobbery, 400 00:18:24,493 --> 00:18:25,133 Speaker 2: fart blossoms. 401 00:18:25,253 --> 00:18:27,173 Speaker 3: Was that off the cuff? Yeah, well done. 402 00:18:27,213 --> 00:18:28,493 Speaker 2: It could be describing you, Tyler. 403 00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:30,533 Speaker 3: Well that's a ell of an insult. I'll take that one. 404 00:18:30,653 --> 00:18:33,093 Speaker 2: Tiny. You're in favor of MMP even around all this 405 00:18:33,253 --> 00:18:35,693 Speaker 2: sort of gray area and people not willing to rule 406 00:18:35,733 --> 00:18:37,773 Speaker 2: others out and such, Well. 407 00:18:37,653 --> 00:18:41,533 Speaker 15: I certainly am. I mean the fact that they're potentially 408 00:18:41,893 --> 00:18:45,853 Speaker 15: misusing MMP, that's got nothing to do with it as 409 00:18:45,853 --> 00:18:49,093 Speaker 15: a system. I mean we've got three alternatives, first past 410 00:18:49,173 --> 00:18:55,373 Speaker 15: the post, single transferable or mixed member. Now the single transferable, 411 00:18:55,373 --> 00:19:00,773 Speaker 15: what happens is you get everybody's worst choice. Yeah, so 412 00:19:00,933 --> 00:19:05,693 Speaker 15: that's junk first past the post. While I remember Sir 413 00:19:05,773 --> 00:19:10,813 Speaker 15: Robert Muldoon gaining parliament with thirty three percent of the vote, 414 00:19:11,133 --> 00:19:14,413 Speaker 15: so sixty seven percent of New Zielders didn't want him 415 00:19:14,453 --> 00:19:14,733 Speaker 15: and his. 416 00:19:14,813 --> 00:19:18,053 Speaker 2: Party having But what percentage of people that actually voted 417 00:19:18,093 --> 00:19:18,533 Speaker 2: did he get? 418 00:19:18,533 --> 00:19:18,733 Speaker 8: Though? 419 00:19:19,733 --> 00:19:22,653 Speaker 15: Well, I mean it was less man. You think I've 420 00:19:22,693 --> 00:19:25,493 Speaker 15: got the Kray computer in my head? 421 00:19:26,093 --> 00:19:29,453 Speaker 3: Was that his last look? I'll look it up, Tony. 422 00:19:29,493 --> 00:19:31,213 Speaker 3: Just while we're having a chat. Was that is last 423 00:19:31,413 --> 00:19:32,653 Speaker 3: his last term as prime minister? 424 00:19:33,613 --> 00:19:37,773 Speaker 15: It was his last was one pennuntimate to that? 425 00:19:38,093 --> 00:19:39,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, because but you know. 426 00:19:39,413 --> 00:19:40,773 Speaker 2: In a saying, Tony, you can do that with the 427 00:19:40,813 --> 00:19:44,333 Speaker 2: current UK election where only twenty two percent of people 428 00:19:44,413 --> 00:19:48,213 Speaker 2: voted for the you know, for Kirstarmer's party, but as 429 00:19:48,213 --> 00:19:49,653 Speaker 2: a percentage of the people that she vote. But I 430 00:19:49,653 --> 00:19:52,053 Speaker 2: get to exactly get what you're saying, Tony, though there 431 00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:54,013 Speaker 2: was it was just over and over again. We were 432 00:19:54,013 --> 00:19:56,853 Speaker 2: getting a situation where parties were coming in without winning 433 00:19:56,853 --> 00:19:59,213 Speaker 2: the popular votes. So in first past the post they 434 00:19:59,213 --> 00:20:01,613 Speaker 2: were getting less votes than the opposition. 435 00:20:02,213 --> 00:20:06,773 Speaker 15: Exactly, but so that the parties who do gain the 436 00:20:06,893 --> 00:20:09,973 Speaker 15: major votes. So in this case we're talking about Labor 437 00:20:10,013 --> 00:20:12,973 Speaker 15: and National They've got the two highest scores, didn't they 438 00:20:13,493 --> 00:20:16,693 Speaker 15: They need to grow Hang on, let's rephrase that they 439 00:20:16,733 --> 00:20:20,213 Speaker 15: need to grow a pair, because when a minor party 440 00:20:20,293 --> 00:20:23,213 Speaker 15: comes and says I'll only work with you if you X, 441 00:20:23,853 --> 00:20:27,573 Speaker 15: then they need to say, sorry, mate, go with the 442 00:20:27,613 --> 00:20:32,173 Speaker 15: other guy and call the bluff. I guarantee that they'll 443 00:20:32,213 --> 00:20:35,133 Speaker 15: come back to the table with something else. It's a negotiation, 444 00:20:35,653 --> 00:20:36,533 Speaker 15: it's not a given. 445 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:40,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, and speaking speaking of that though, Tony, because you're 446 00:20:40,333 --> 00:20:43,133 Speaker 2: saying they need to grow spine and actually believe in something. 447 00:20:43,533 --> 00:20:47,653 Speaker 2: But does it make you think less of a politician 448 00:20:47,973 --> 00:20:51,253 Speaker 2: like cross Upkins today when he leaves the door open 449 00:20:51,253 --> 00:20:53,133 Speaker 2: a little bit, is willing to throw a lot of 450 00:20:53,173 --> 00:20:56,853 Speaker 2: abuse towards in this case, Winston Peters, but not willing 451 00:20:56,893 --> 00:21:00,333 Speaker 2: to completely shut the door on doing business with them. 452 00:21:00,373 --> 00:21:05,253 Speaker 2: Does that Does that make you think less of them? 453 00:21:05,453 --> 00:21:09,453 Speaker 15: I just think it was politic inside and really rape 454 00:21:09,533 --> 00:21:14,373 Speaker 15: that as a real perspective. Yeah, I think he's just politics. 455 00:21:14,373 --> 00:21:16,933 Speaker 2: So but but if you're willing to say that stuff 456 00:21:16,973 --> 00:21:20,853 Speaker 2: about him, that that Chris Akins is said about Winston 457 00:21:20,893 --> 00:21:24,053 Speaker 2: Peters and New Zealand first, then you think if you're 458 00:21:24,053 --> 00:21:26,213 Speaker 2: willing to say that stuff, then it shouldn't be too 459 00:21:26,293 --> 00:21:29,333 Speaker 2: hard just to go now we won't work with them. 460 00:21:29,813 --> 00:21:32,853 Speaker 15: Well, never say never. 461 00:21:33,613 --> 00:21:36,173 Speaker 3: But that's what he's done, isn't it. I mean, look, Tony, 462 00:21:36,213 --> 00:21:38,453 Speaker 3: we can all understand his political strategy and what he 463 00:21:38,533 --> 00:21:41,853 Speaker 3: did in that interview. Yeah, but this is a question 464 00:21:41,893 --> 00:21:43,973 Speaker 3: about integrity, right that if he took a stance as 465 00:21:44,013 --> 00:21:46,213 Speaker 3: you say, matt Or and you said, Tony that he 466 00:21:46,613 --> 00:21:48,733 Speaker 3: grows up here and puts it on the line and says, 467 00:21:48,973 --> 00:21:52,093 Speaker 3: don't care not going to work with Winston. It's no butts, 468 00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:54,253 Speaker 3: We're not going to be part of any coalition with them. 469 00:21:54,373 --> 00:21:55,373 Speaker 3: It's a hell of a risk. 470 00:21:56,093 --> 00:21:58,933 Speaker 15: But well, for me, I would have said, unless his 471 00:21:59,173 --> 00:22:03,573 Speaker 15: views align with ours and we can all work together 472 00:22:03,733 --> 00:22:06,733 Speaker 15: going forwards, then I wouldn't work with him. 473 00:22:07,013 --> 00:22:09,893 Speaker 2: So when St. Peter's can ple, he changed his opinions on. 474 00:22:09,853 --> 00:22:12,613 Speaker 15: Everything, So I don't want Winston to change it. 475 00:22:12,693 --> 00:22:12,853 Speaker 10: All. 476 00:22:12,893 --> 00:22:16,293 Speaker 15: Man, I've known the guy since he won Thenewer election 477 00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:19,493 Speaker 15: on a recount. I think it was eight votes, so 478 00:22:20,333 --> 00:22:22,613 Speaker 15: you know, I mean, i've known what's that seventy seven 479 00:22:22,693 --> 00:22:28,413 Speaker 15: seventy that hell of a long time. Look, there's one 480 00:22:28,413 --> 00:22:31,013 Speaker 15: more point about MMP I really want to make before 481 00:22:31,093 --> 00:22:34,853 Speaker 15: you tell me to sling the hook, and that is 482 00:22:34,853 --> 00:22:40,013 Speaker 15: that if you don't have MMP, all those minor party 483 00:22:40,333 --> 00:22:47,292 Speaker 15: supporters become disenfranchised. So, okay, you know they do have 484 00:22:47,373 --> 00:22:50,333 Speaker 15: some pretty weird views. There's no way I would vote 485 00:22:50,373 --> 00:22:51,773 Speaker 15: for a couple of them, and I'm not going to 486 00:22:51,813 --> 00:22:55,813 Speaker 15: mention them because well I'm not into slagging off per se. 487 00:22:55,973 --> 00:23:00,173 Speaker 15: But you know they're disenfranchised. Their view doesn't count now 488 00:23:00,213 --> 00:23:04,333 Speaker 15: think about a household. Everybody's views are different. You don't 489 00:23:04,373 --> 00:23:07,973 Speaker 15: discount the guy who's got the really mine of you. 490 00:23:07,973 --> 00:23:11,493 Speaker 15: You try and incorporate it into the whole thing so 491 00:23:11,533 --> 00:23:13,253 Speaker 15: that you're truly representative. 492 00:23:13,373 --> 00:23:15,093 Speaker 2: Do you think do you think that would used to 493 00:23:15,093 --> 00:23:17,733 Speaker 2: happen though a little bit, Tony in first past the post, 494 00:23:17,853 --> 00:23:20,373 Speaker 2: because you would have elements of the party. Members of 495 00:23:20,373 --> 00:23:22,733 Speaker 2: the Green Party would just be members of the Labor Party, 496 00:23:22,853 --> 00:23:24,613 Speaker 2: a member of the act Party would just be members 497 00:23:24,653 --> 00:23:27,413 Speaker 2: of the National Party, pressuring within the party. 498 00:23:28,573 --> 00:23:31,493 Speaker 15: Well, I mean you could say that that's certainly where 499 00:23:31,533 --> 00:23:36,773 Speaker 15: they sourced their membership, the Greens and whatnot from a 500 00:23:36,933 --> 00:23:41,013 Speaker 15: New Zealand first, from the major parties. That's where they 501 00:23:41,093 --> 00:23:43,413 Speaker 15: got their people from, isn't it to become members and 502 00:23:44,093 --> 00:23:45,013 Speaker 15: MPs and whatnot? 503 00:23:45,133 --> 00:23:48,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony, really good to chat. You've been reasonable, which 504 00:23:48,213 --> 00:23:50,173 Speaker 3: is good in these sort of discussions. Thank you very much. O. 505 00:23:50,213 --> 00:23:52,773 Speaker 3: Wait hundred eighty ten eighty, love to hear your thoughts 506 00:23:52,773 --> 00:23:56,573 Speaker 3: about Winston Peters's strategy of ruling out Chris Hipkins. Is 507 00:23:56,733 --> 00:23:58,973 Speaker 3: MMP still fit for purpose in this environment? 508 00:23:59,093 --> 00:24:01,213 Speaker 2: Yeah? And eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Whilst it 509 00:24:01,293 --> 00:24:03,173 Speaker 2: might be good politics to not rule people out. Do 510 00:24:03,253 --> 00:24:06,573 Speaker 2: you just look at someone and a politician who isn't 511 00:24:06,573 --> 00:24:08,613 Speaker 2: willing to do it whilst they're willing to throw a 512 00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:11,093 Speaker 2: lot of mud at the other, at a politician but 513 00:24:11,133 --> 00:24:13,533 Speaker 2: not willing to rule them out when it comes to 514 00:24:13,573 --> 00:24:15,773 Speaker 2: a deal. Does that just make you feel a little 515 00:24:15,853 --> 00:24:18,213 Speaker 2: bit disgusted. 516 00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:20,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into it. Headlines coming up. 517 00:24:23,453 --> 00:24:27,133 Speaker 6: US talks be headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no 518 00:24:27,253 --> 00:24:30,413 Speaker 6: trouble with a blue bubble. A nineteen year old palmist 519 00:24:30,573 --> 00:24:34,453 Speaker 6: nor Man has died from head injuries after a social 520 00:24:34,533 --> 00:24:37,773 Speaker 6: game of Run It Straight, in which people collide in 521 00:24:37,813 --> 00:24:41,613 Speaker 6: a full on tackle with no protective gear. The government 522 00:24:41,653 --> 00:24:45,493 Speaker 6: has announced funding for today OH Education, for property upgrades 523 00:24:45,493 --> 00:24:49,733 Speaker 6: and boosting bilingual resources. The Trade ministers hoping a new 524 00:24:49,773 --> 00:24:54,093 Speaker 6: cooperation arrangement with Vietnam will improve two way trade in 525 00:24:54,133 --> 00:24:58,373 Speaker 6: a market worth two point seven billion dollars. The Electricity 526 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:03,493 Speaker 6: Authority is welcoming a manifesto from advocacy group Rewiring Altoor, 527 00:25:03,813 --> 00:25:09,133 Speaker 6: which is arguing for aggressive electrification. Measures include investment public loans, 528 00:25:09,173 --> 00:25:14,773 Speaker 6: electric vehicles and streamlining clean energy regulations. The Company Coast 529 00:25:14,773 --> 00:25:18,173 Speaker 6: Council has voted to keep its water services in house, 530 00:25:18,533 --> 00:25:22,373 Speaker 6: and not join a big new regional entity, and not 531 00:25:22,853 --> 00:25:25,813 Speaker 6: weak to ask for help. All Black prop shares his 532 00:25:25,933 --> 00:25:29,333 Speaker 6: mental health journey to help others. Read more at ZID 533 00:25:29,373 --> 00:25:32,693 Speaker 6: Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams. 534 00:25:32,253 --> 00:25:33,893 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we're talking about 535 00:25:33,893 --> 00:25:36,933 Speaker 3: Winston Peters. In an interview with The Herald, he has 536 00:25:37,013 --> 00:25:40,933 Speaker 3: ruled out ever working with Labor leader Chris Hipkins. To 537 00:25:41,213 --> 00:25:44,373 Speaker 3: chat more about this, we are joined by our political 538 00:25:44,493 --> 00:25:48,013 Speaker 3: editor Jason Walls. Get a mates, good afternoon, my friends. 539 00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:48,893 Speaker 7: How were you doing? 540 00:25:49,413 --> 00:25:51,853 Speaker 2: Fantastic? Thank you? What do you think voters think of 541 00:25:51,933 --> 00:25:54,893 Speaker 2: leaders who will slag off other parties and other politicians 542 00:25:54,893 --> 00:25:56,653 Speaker 2: but not rule out working with them? Jason? 543 00:25:58,453 --> 00:26:00,573 Speaker 7: Easy one to start off, Jason, Oh yeah, throw me 544 00:26:00,613 --> 00:26:02,773 Speaker 7: the curveballs early on. So what was it again? 545 00:26:02,853 --> 00:26:03,053 Speaker 16: Sorry? 546 00:26:03,093 --> 00:26:04,773 Speaker 3: I had hard time tracking that. 547 00:26:05,253 --> 00:26:07,013 Speaker 2: Well, let's see if I can remember what I said. 548 00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:10,693 Speaker 2: It was something like, what do voters think in your 549 00:26:10,733 --> 00:26:13,093 Speaker 2: experience of leaders? How to voters react to leaders who 550 00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:16,973 Speaker 2: will slag off members of other parties and other parties 551 00:26:17,693 --> 00:26:20,173 Speaker 2: but will not rule out working with them. Chippy has 552 00:26:20,173 --> 00:26:24,253 Speaker 2: said some pretty horrific things about Winston Peters. But then 553 00:26:24,293 --> 00:26:26,613 Speaker 2: he'll leave the little door open just a little bit, 554 00:26:26,693 --> 00:26:29,173 Speaker 2: just on the off chance that he'll need him come 555 00:26:29,893 --> 00:26:30,533 Speaker 2: post election. 556 00:26:31,053 --> 00:26:33,052 Speaker 7: I think I know what so Chippy said this this 557 00:26:33,133 --> 00:26:34,613 Speaker 7: morning when he was asked about this story. 558 00:26:34,653 --> 00:26:36,773 Speaker 4: I think, frankly, New Zealanders have had enough of being 559 00:26:36,773 --> 00:26:39,213 Speaker 4: held to ransom by Winston Peters and David Seymour. I 560 00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:41,213 Speaker 4: think they want to get back to the idea that 561 00:26:41,253 --> 00:26:44,133 Speaker 4: the government's there to serve people rather than serve themselves, 562 00:26:44,133 --> 00:26:46,173 Speaker 4: which you know Winston Peters, frankly is a master ac. 563 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:47,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, so rule them out. 564 00:26:48,093 --> 00:26:48,293 Speaker 17: Yeah. 565 00:26:48,533 --> 00:26:50,812 Speaker 7: The thing is, you can't hear something like that and 566 00:26:50,853 --> 00:26:52,613 Speaker 7: think that Chippy is going to go cap in hand 567 00:26:52,933 --> 00:26:56,453 Speaker 7: to Winston Peters after the election. It just doesn't make 568 00:26:56,493 --> 00:26:59,213 Speaker 7: any sense. But then again, you think about what Winston 569 00:26:59,253 --> 00:27:02,253 Speaker 7: Peters said about the National Party when he was in 570 00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:06,613 Speaker 7: when he was he was deputy Prime Minister under Justinto Odurn. 571 00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:10,653 Speaker 7: I mean, I remember quite quite firmly in my mind 572 00:27:10,653 --> 00:27:13,533 Speaker 7: this instance where we were on the black and white tiles, 573 00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:15,493 Speaker 7: which is where we get ministers before they go into 574 00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:17,853 Speaker 7: the House, and just Sinda Ardern was doing a press conference. 575 00:27:18,093 --> 00:27:20,693 Speaker 7: Winston Peters came walking on behind her, and usually he 576 00:27:20,813 --> 00:27:23,053 Speaker 7: just darts straight through and hopes not to get or 577 00:27:23,093 --> 00:27:25,653 Speaker 7: pretends to hope he's not going to be caught by reporters. 578 00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:28,453 Speaker 7: But he waited and he waited, and he waited until 579 00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:30,373 Speaker 7: just sinder our Durn finished up, and then he looked 580 00:27:30,373 --> 00:27:32,893 Speaker 7: at us, got his phone out started This is when 581 00:27:33,093 --> 00:27:35,813 Speaker 7: Simon Bridges was the leader of the NATS, started playing 582 00:27:35,813 --> 00:27:38,253 Speaker 7: the song on his phone called Burning Bridges and just 583 00:27:38,333 --> 00:27:41,493 Speaker 7: walked through with the entire press grum, playing this very loudly. 584 00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:44,053 Speaker 7: And this is we were like, he will never work 585 00:27:44,093 --> 00:27:46,293 Speaker 7: with National? How could he work with National after pulling 586 00:27:46,293 --> 00:27:49,093 Speaker 7: a stunt like this? But Winston, and I hate saying this, 587 00:27:49,173 --> 00:27:51,373 Speaker 7: but it's the old cliche. Winston is Winston, and of 588 00:27:51,413 --> 00:27:54,253 Speaker 7: course look what happened now, and him and Chris Luxon 589 00:27:54,293 --> 00:27:56,853 Speaker 7: are just sort of two peas in a political pot 590 00:27:56,893 --> 00:27:57,373 Speaker 7: at the moment. 591 00:27:57,613 --> 00:28:01,133 Speaker 2: So you're saying that Chris Hepkins is running the same 592 00:28:01,213 --> 00:28:03,053 Speaker 2: playbook as Winston Peters. 593 00:28:03,093 --> 00:28:05,333 Speaker 7: I think it's a lot different. Only Winston can get 594 00:28:05,333 --> 00:28:08,573 Speaker 7: away with what Winston does. And he holds a grudge 595 00:28:08,693 --> 00:28:10,573 Speaker 7: like no one else. And I know me saying he 596 00:28:10,653 --> 00:28:12,453 Speaker 7: holds a grudge like no one else on air means 597 00:28:12,453 --> 00:28:14,413 Speaker 7: he's going to hold a grudge against me, which I'm 598 00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:16,653 Speaker 7: very excited about for the next couple of months. But 599 00:28:16,693 --> 00:28:19,453 Speaker 7: it's he he'll remember these sorts of things and he'll 600 00:28:19,493 --> 00:28:23,573 Speaker 7: remember these comments. So it seems extremely unlikely. But it's 601 00:28:23,613 --> 00:28:27,133 Speaker 7: never smart to really rule any political party out because 602 00:28:27,173 --> 00:28:28,253 Speaker 7: you do need a little bit of lever. 603 00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:30,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess they're smart and what's morally right. 604 00:28:30,773 --> 00:28:33,253 Speaker 2: And so if you believe in something, and if Chris 605 00:28:33,253 --> 00:28:36,653 Speaker 2: Hopkins absolutely believes the things that he sees about Winston Peters, 606 00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:40,533 Speaker 2: then it shouldn't even take him a second to follow 607 00:28:40,573 --> 00:28:42,573 Speaker 2: that up by saying I wouldn't work with them. Otherwise 608 00:28:42,573 --> 00:28:44,853 Speaker 2: you call into question what he's saying, whether he actually 609 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:46,293 Speaker 2: believes in what he's saying. 610 00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:48,733 Speaker 7: Oh exactly, And the sort of things that he said 611 00:28:49,013 --> 00:28:51,893 Speaker 7: about working with Winston Peters when they're in government. I mean, 612 00:28:51,933 --> 00:28:53,773 Speaker 7: it's the sort of things that you can't take back. 613 00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:55,893 Speaker 7: And this isn't just the sort of things that Hipkins 614 00:28:55,893 --> 00:28:58,093 Speaker 7: has said to me over a quiet beer. He said 615 00:28:58,093 --> 00:29:01,493 Speaker 7: these things on Morning Report, he said them on breakfast radios, 616 00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:03,013 Speaker 7: so it's not like he's been quiet. 617 00:29:03,093 --> 00:29:04,693 Speaker 2: But just leave the door open a little bit just 618 00:29:04,733 --> 00:29:05,253 Speaker 2: in case it. 619 00:29:05,213 --> 00:29:07,733 Speaker 3: Works with slightly a jar, just in case things get better, 620 00:29:07,773 --> 00:29:10,613 Speaker 3: you know, But at all Captain's cool situation, isn't it, Jason? 621 00:29:10,653 --> 00:29:13,133 Speaker 3: What I hear when I heard that interview with Ryan 622 00:29:13,173 --> 00:29:16,173 Speaker 3: Bridge this morning with Chippy is Chippy has bug real 623 00:29:16,293 --> 00:29:19,453 Speaker 3: leverage by leaving the door open or needing to he 624 00:29:19,533 --> 00:29:22,253 Speaker 3: knows he doesn't have much leverage eighteen months out from 625 00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:22,733 Speaker 3: an eletion. 626 00:29:23,133 --> 00:29:26,453 Speaker 7: Well, that's exactly that's exactly right. I mean, at this point, 627 00:29:26,493 --> 00:29:29,493 Speaker 7: if he doesn't work with Winston Peters, he needs to 628 00:29:29,533 --> 00:29:32,853 Speaker 7: see the Greens anti Party Marty and his own Labor 629 00:29:32,893 --> 00:29:36,453 Speaker 7: Party have a resurgence to the point where they're just 630 00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:40,493 Speaker 7: consistently polling above that threshold. And I just don't it's 631 00:29:40,613 --> 00:29:43,093 Speaker 7: hard to imagine that happening between now and the election. 632 00:29:43,253 --> 00:29:44,213 Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you what. 633 00:29:44,253 --> 00:29:47,093 Speaker 7: I was listening to David Farrier who was doing a 634 00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:50,053 Speaker 7: segment on Heather Duplusy Allen, and he was talking about 635 00:29:50,053 --> 00:29:53,493 Speaker 7: this data that he has about the drag of other 636 00:29:53,573 --> 00:29:55,373 Speaker 7: leaders that they have on the main parties, and he 637 00:29:55,453 --> 00:29:58,253 Speaker 7: found that if you're a National Party supporter, you tend 638 00:29:58,253 --> 00:30:01,693 Speaker 7: to like Winston Peters, you tend to like David Seymour. 639 00:30:01,813 --> 00:30:03,813 Speaker 7: So you're not too worried if they're in a coalition 640 00:30:03,893 --> 00:30:07,213 Speaker 7: together because generally you understand the ethos that all three 641 00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:09,253 Speaker 7: leaders have. You don't have to love them, but you 642 00:30:09,253 --> 00:30:12,733 Speaker 7: don't hate them. When that same information was done and 643 00:30:12,773 --> 00:30:15,413 Speaker 7: that same polling was done about the Labor Party when 644 00:30:15,413 --> 00:30:18,333 Speaker 7: it came to the Greens anti party Marty, they found 645 00:30:18,373 --> 00:30:21,853 Speaker 7: that Labor voters did not Lake Chloe Swarbrick and Marta 646 00:30:22,093 --> 00:30:24,853 Speaker 7: Davidson and did not Lake. Demie Mardi were packer and 647 00:30:24,893 --> 00:30:27,333 Speaker 7: at w y waitity. And so that's really going to 648 00:30:27,373 --> 00:30:30,573 Speaker 7: come and bite the sort of the soft middle when 649 00:30:30,613 --> 00:30:32,573 Speaker 7: it comes to the election, because they're going to be 650 00:30:32,573 --> 00:30:34,973 Speaker 7: looking at those support partners on the left and thinking 651 00:30:34,973 --> 00:30:36,933 Speaker 7: not for me, thank you very much. I'm going to 652 00:30:36,973 --> 00:30:39,053 Speaker 7: stick somewhere safer, which is the center. 653 00:30:39,133 --> 00:30:41,733 Speaker 3: Right, Jason, we're loving this. Can you stick with us 654 00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:43,213 Speaker 3: for another couple of minutes. We've just got to play 655 00:30:43,213 --> 00:30:45,293 Speaker 3: some messages, but we've got a few more questions for you. 656 00:30:45,373 --> 00:30:45,853 Speaker 3: Is that all right now? 657 00:30:46,013 --> 00:30:47,493 Speaker 7: I think I can do that for you boys. 658 00:30:47,653 --> 00:30:49,693 Speaker 2: I want to ask you what it's like to be 659 00:30:49,773 --> 00:30:54,413 Speaker 2: in that media pack facing in full full fly. 660 00:30:54,613 --> 00:30:57,053 Speaker 3: He is fascinated by Jason, just stay there. We'll be 661 00:30:57,093 --> 00:30:59,453 Speaker 3: back with our political edit to Jason Walls very shortly 662 00:30:59,493 --> 00:31:00,413 Speaker 3: seventeen to two. 663 00:31:01,253 --> 00:31:04,253 Speaker 1: A fresh take on took Back. It's Matt Heathen Tyner 664 00:31:04,333 --> 00:31:08,173 Speaker 1: Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty eight 665 00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:09,453 Speaker 1: used talks envy. 666 00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:14,013 Speaker 3: Beautiful. 667 00:31:14,413 --> 00:31:16,733 Speaker 2: You gotta say it's interesting. People were very harsh on 668 00:31:16,933 --> 00:31:19,573 Speaker 2: sign Bridges when he was in power. Now I think 669 00:31:19,773 --> 00:31:20,613 Speaker 2: nice people love him. 670 00:31:20,693 --> 00:31:22,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of nice bear hindsight. 671 00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:25,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, when it all goes away. 672 00:31:25,773 --> 00:31:28,693 Speaker 3: Now we are cause joined by our political editor, Jason Wolves. 673 00:31:28,733 --> 00:31:31,213 Speaker 3: Thanks for hanging with us, Jason, of course. 674 00:31:30,973 --> 00:31:33,813 Speaker 2: Two quick questions. Firstly, in your opinion, how has Winceton 675 00:31:33,853 --> 00:31:36,373 Speaker 2: done his deputy Prime minister with less than a week 676 00:31:36,413 --> 00:31:40,333 Speaker 2: to go? Oh yeah, no, i'd for the third time. Yeah, 677 00:31:40,413 --> 00:31:41,813 Speaker 2: I couldn't rate him badly. 678 00:31:41,893 --> 00:31:44,293 Speaker 7: I mean he's he's one of the best, if not 679 00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:47,293 Speaker 7: the best foreign ministers that New Zealand has ever had, 680 00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:50,613 Speaker 7: and he's done an exceptional job in that capacity. While 681 00:31:50,613 --> 00:31:52,373 Speaker 7: he's been in the job. He's been to I think 682 00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:54,813 Speaker 7: I saw forty three different countries, have forty. 683 00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:57,053 Speaker 2: Four countries, and he's spent one hundred and fifty two 684 00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:00,413 Speaker 2: days overseas traveling. 685 00:32:00,413 --> 00:32:03,333 Speaker 7: And that's what you wants as a foreign minister. At 686 00:32:03,373 --> 00:32:05,773 Speaker 7: the same time, he's New Zealand First leader, and New 687 00:32:05,853 --> 00:32:08,853 Speaker 7: Zealand First has kept its ratings up in the polls. 688 00:32:09,173 --> 00:32:11,773 Speaker 7: Usually we see New Zealand First slump when they're in 689 00:32:11,813 --> 00:32:14,173 Speaker 7: these positions of power. And again this comes back to 690 00:32:14,253 --> 00:32:16,973 Speaker 7: for me the leadership of Chris Luxon saying that Winston, 691 00:32:17,253 --> 00:32:20,013 Speaker 7: you go ahead and be Winston while you're Deputy Prime Minister, 692 00:32:20,093 --> 00:32:22,733 Speaker 7: because he's thinking about the next election, saying well, we 693 00:32:22,773 --> 00:32:25,093 Speaker 7: need New Zealand First, and for New Zealand First to 694 00:32:25,093 --> 00:32:27,053 Speaker 7: get back into power, you need to continue to be 695 00:32:27,333 --> 00:32:30,013 Speaker 7: New Zealand First while you're in office. So I rate 696 00:32:30,093 --> 00:32:33,173 Speaker 7: him relatively highly. I think that where he does have faults, 697 00:32:33,173 --> 00:32:35,653 Speaker 7: as in the House. It's hard watching him in the 698 00:32:35,693 --> 00:32:38,453 Speaker 7: House because he just continues to sort of flaunt the 699 00:32:38,533 --> 00:32:41,133 Speaker 7: rules and not really listen to the speaker when it 700 00:32:41,173 --> 00:32:43,453 Speaker 7: comes to the things that he's doing wrong, and he 701 00:32:43,533 --> 00:32:46,773 Speaker 7: just makes these ridiculous little supplementary questions every once in 702 00:32:46,813 --> 00:32:48,893 Speaker 7: a while that make absolutely no sense. But you can't 703 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:52,853 Speaker 7: really fault the fact that he's juggling three pretty major things. 704 00:32:53,173 --> 00:32:57,133 Speaker 2: And as Deputy Prime Ministery doesn't lay off as a 705 00:32:57,253 --> 00:32:59,213 Speaker 2: text on the media. And you've been in the front 706 00:32:59,213 --> 00:33:00,853 Speaker 2: line a lot of the media pack, How is it 707 00:33:00,893 --> 00:33:04,333 Speaker 2: to face up against Winston Peterson in full flight? 708 00:33:04,493 --> 00:33:07,293 Speaker 7: Jason Wilf, Well, it's hard when you're a junior reporter 709 00:33:07,413 --> 00:33:09,413 Speaker 7: because he doesn't hold back, and what he does is 710 00:33:09,453 --> 00:33:11,853 Speaker 7: he knows that if you're not very confident, he'll exploit that. 711 00:33:12,173 --> 00:33:15,013 Speaker 7: There are some politicians where they know that if it's 712 00:33:15,053 --> 00:33:18,053 Speaker 7: a newer reporter and they're just asking questions on behalf 713 00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:19,853 Speaker 7: of a colleague, they'll help you out a little bit 714 00:33:19,893 --> 00:33:22,493 Speaker 7: and they know the gist of what you're asking. With Winston, 715 00:33:22,533 --> 00:33:25,333 Speaker 7: if you're not precise to the letter and the detail 716 00:33:25,333 --> 00:33:27,213 Speaker 7: of what it is you're asking, he'll rip you out 717 00:33:27,213 --> 00:33:29,653 Speaker 7: in front of absolutely everybody there. So when you get 718 00:33:29,653 --> 00:33:31,373 Speaker 7: a little bit of confidence, you give it back to 719 00:33:31,413 --> 00:33:33,413 Speaker 7: him a little bit and he likes it. He does 720 00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:35,173 Speaker 7: like a little bit of back and forth. There's a 721 00:33:35,453 --> 00:33:38,493 Speaker 7: reporter in the Herald office, actually, Jamie Ensawer, who seems 722 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:40,653 Speaker 7: to have made it a mission to get under Winston's 723 00:33:40,653 --> 00:33:43,173 Speaker 7: skin in these sort of interviews. He's a very good reporter, 724 00:33:43,533 --> 00:33:45,853 Speaker 7: but you get the best grabs out of him when 725 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:47,933 Speaker 7: you actually sort of dig in a little bit and 726 00:33:47,973 --> 00:33:49,893 Speaker 7: he hits you with a oh the words matter, and 727 00:33:49,933 --> 00:33:51,853 Speaker 7: then you go back and quote something that he said 728 00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:54,373 Speaker 7: in back in nineteen Ditaly something and then he just 729 00:33:54,453 --> 00:33:56,573 Speaker 7: kind of laughs at you. So he's a lot of fun. 730 00:33:56,693 --> 00:33:58,293 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know if it's the best for 731 00:33:58,493 --> 00:34:00,773 Speaker 7: sort of media trust in New Zealand to have somebody 732 00:34:00,773 --> 00:34:03,573 Speaker 7: that's consistently saying how bad we are at our jobs, but. 733 00:34:03,973 --> 00:34:07,653 Speaker 3: You know, I have fun. Bring it on, Winston. Yeah, Jason, 734 00:34:07,693 --> 00:34:10,053 Speaker 3: thank you very much as always, mate, and great to 735 00:34:10,093 --> 00:34:10,533 Speaker 3: catch up. 736 00:34:10,933 --> 00:34:11,133 Speaker 5: Yeah. 737 00:34:11,172 --> 00:34:13,613 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, it's been a pleasure. That is our political editor, 738 00:34:13,733 --> 00:34:16,093 Speaker 3: Jason Wolves. We are going to take more of your 739 00:34:16,093 --> 00:34:18,853 Speaker 3: calls on this one oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 740 00:34:19,453 --> 00:34:21,533 Speaker 3: Pete's been hanging on the line for a wee bit though, 741 00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:24,252 Speaker 3: so we're going to get to Pete very shortly. It 742 00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:25,413 Speaker 3: is eleven to two. 743 00:34:27,253 --> 00:34:30,453 Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight 744 00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:32,933 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor 745 00:34:33,013 --> 00:34:35,653 Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News talksb. 746 00:34:36,373 --> 00:34:38,973 Speaker 3: News Talks there be. We are talking about Winston Peter's 747 00:34:39,013 --> 00:34:42,533 Speaker 3: ruling out Chris Hopkins ever doing a coalition deal with 748 00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:45,013 Speaker 3: the Labor leader. So keen to get your views on O. 749 00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:46,253 Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighteen eighty. 750 00:34:46,093 --> 00:34:48,853 Speaker 2: Well the show, Pete. Sorry for keeping you waiting so long. 751 00:34:49,413 --> 00:34:53,333 Speaker 18: Your thoughts again, gentlemen, no one, he's not stupid like 752 00:34:53,653 --> 00:34:56,653 Speaker 18: you're going to be worst comes to the worst. 753 00:34:56,453 --> 00:34:57,533 Speaker 9: Say Labor gude on again. 754 00:34:57,533 --> 00:34:59,493 Speaker 18: But he's not a leader like you're only going to 755 00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:01,413 Speaker 18: look at him when they came to the COVID never 756 00:35:01,693 --> 00:35:04,973 Speaker 18: ordered the vaccines early enough and he's met. He's the 757 00:35:05,013 --> 00:35:09,732 Speaker 18: Prime Minister, the Minister of education. He didn't do any 758 00:35:09,733 --> 00:35:10,693 Speaker 18: good at that, so he's. 759 00:35:10,533 --> 00:35:11,293 Speaker 19: No good in his role. 760 00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:12,693 Speaker 18: He only got to hand me down. 761 00:35:12,533 --> 00:35:14,773 Speaker 20: Because what happened with the Labor Party. 762 00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:17,053 Speaker 18: And I don't blame him, and he wouldn't trust him 763 00:35:17,093 --> 00:35:17,533 Speaker 18: as far. 764 00:35:17,413 --> 00:35:20,893 Speaker 20: As he'd be like a rabbit. He'd he'd be up 765 00:35:20,933 --> 00:35:23,493 Speaker 20: to drain pipe just like that when he's when he's 766 00:35:23,533 --> 00:35:25,133 Speaker 20: made his choice, and good on him for doing it 767 00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:27,773 Speaker 20: at least now you know what where when he's aiming for. 768 00:35:27,853 --> 00:35:29,253 Speaker 5: He won't vote for. 769 00:35:29,933 --> 00:35:31,613 Speaker 9: He won't go with Labor if. 770 00:35:32,053 --> 00:35:34,333 Speaker 18: If he's a leader, and I can't blame him. He's 771 00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:35,653 Speaker 18: not a good leader's. 772 00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:35,732 Speaker 8: In a story. 773 00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:37,053 Speaker 18: I don't know why they had the same ditch him 774 00:35:37,053 --> 00:35:39,493 Speaker 18: as a leader as Labor and what do you better? 775 00:35:39,573 --> 00:35:42,133 Speaker 18: He's just a hanger on Bara's own and they's no 776 00:35:42,173 --> 00:35:42,933 Speaker 18: one to replace him. 777 00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:43,413 Speaker 9: I sort of. 778 00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:47,293 Speaker 18: Stuck in a in a square hole and so shouldn't 779 00:35:47,333 --> 00:35:50,253 Speaker 18: say like a square hole. Really, he's not going nowhere, 780 00:35:50,453 --> 00:35:54,093 Speaker 18: you know, he's when he's clever, he's got he's you 781 00:35:54,173 --> 00:35:56,732 Speaker 18: got to in two thousand and seven and he did well, 782 00:35:57,133 --> 00:35:59,933 Speaker 18: he held his ship there. They all go blame o 783 00:36:00,053 --> 00:36:02,373 Speaker 18: Winnie what happened with two thousand and twenty? 784 00:36:02,653 --> 00:36:03,453 Speaker 20: It's not his fault. 785 00:36:03,533 --> 00:36:05,973 Speaker 18: Got English bug of that up. Instead of going on 786 00:36:06,013 --> 00:36:09,293 Speaker 18: the ring with Winny and fighting him, Will English and 787 00:36:10,053 --> 00:36:12,213 Speaker 18: nationals putty Will still got in. But when is it? 788 00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:13,652 Speaker 18: You're not going to go and into a boxing when 789 00:36:13,653 --> 00:36:15,253 Speaker 18: you already got a bleeding nose where you get in there? 790 00:36:15,253 --> 00:36:15,493 Speaker 5: Are you? 791 00:36:15,893 --> 00:36:17,933 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh look, I mean there'll be a lot of 792 00:36:17,973 --> 00:36:20,253 Speaker 3: people that would disagree with that, Pete. But that's m 793 00:36:20,413 --> 00:36:23,293 Speaker 3: MP right. That's the way that it rolled. And and 794 00:36:23,453 --> 00:36:26,293 Speaker 3: Winston and Labor had the numbers, even though Bill English 795 00:36:26,293 --> 00:36:28,893 Speaker 3: and National had forty four percent of the vote. Unfortunately 796 00:36:28,933 --> 00:36:31,493 Speaker 3: they couldn't make up the government. And that's how it rolls, right, 797 00:36:31,533 --> 00:36:32,533 Speaker 3: that's the system we've got. 798 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:35,613 Speaker 18: Yeah it is, But I still reckon that I saw. 799 00:36:35,653 --> 00:36:38,613 Speaker 18: I'm still for MMP and I'm hoping that it stays 800 00:36:38,653 --> 00:36:40,693 Speaker 18: is three years. A lot of people want to go 801 00:36:40,773 --> 00:36:43,373 Speaker 18: the four years, No, thanks very much. We imagine Labor 802 00:36:43,453 --> 00:36:46,053 Speaker 18: being in for another year that countries and enough troubles 803 00:36:46,173 --> 00:36:48,893 Speaker 18: enough and then enough deep trouble them and they are in. 804 00:36:49,053 --> 00:36:51,133 Speaker 18: So stick to the three year term for us. I'm 805 00:36:51,133 --> 00:36:51,853 Speaker 18: as soon as well. 806 00:36:52,373 --> 00:36:56,773 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's interesting though because he Winston's has says 807 00:36:56,813 --> 00:36:59,173 Speaker 2: like I won't work with Chippy and he might be 808 00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:00,893 Speaker 2: looking to go, well, Chippy's not going to be there, 809 00:37:00,973 --> 00:37:02,893 Speaker 2: so it's it's very easy for me to say that. 810 00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:05,893 Speaker 2: And you know he has some some problems personally with 811 00:37:06,053 --> 00:37:11,613 Speaker 2: Chippy and with but but he whilst Chippy's well, keep 812 00:37:11,653 --> 00:37:15,293 Speaker 2: calling Chippy. Well, Chris Hopkins is not rolling out Winston Peters. 813 00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:17,813 Speaker 2: Winston Peter's kind of is not rolling out Labor, is 814 00:37:17,853 --> 00:37:21,533 Speaker 2: he he's rolling out. He's willing rolling out Chris Hopkins. 815 00:37:22,693 --> 00:37:25,212 Speaker 18: I reckon, Chrisipkins. I reckon you'll get well, I reckon 816 00:37:25,213 --> 00:37:29,613 Speaker 18: you'll get rolled over before the election. They won't get 817 00:37:29,653 --> 00:37:31,853 Speaker 18: any of these like I've got short memories, but I 818 00:37:31,853 --> 00:37:34,533 Speaker 18: don't reckon he's a leader. So Labor, if they really 819 00:37:34,573 --> 00:37:37,573 Speaker 18: want to do get up there again, they got to 820 00:37:37,613 --> 00:37:39,773 Speaker 18: ditch them and get another Prime minister as a leader. 821 00:37:39,973 --> 00:37:41,732 Speaker 18: As for a Labors. 822 00:37:41,573 --> 00:37:44,053 Speaker 2: Simple yeah or thanks so much for you call Pete 823 00:37:44,093 --> 00:37:45,493 Speaker 2: and thanks for wedding on the line. 824 00:37:45,973 --> 00:37:49,133 Speaker 3: Cheers Pete. Well, we want to get your thoughts on that. 825 00:37:49,453 --> 00:37:52,253 Speaker 3: I mean, that is arguably a part of the strategy. 826 00:37:52,253 --> 00:37:55,093 Speaker 3: Winston Peters is employed here and that's my thoughts. But 827 00:37:55,293 --> 00:37:57,573 Speaker 3: when he sees that he will never work with Chris 828 00:37:57,573 --> 00:37:59,893 Speaker 3: Hopkins but leaves the door open for Labor, does that 829 00:38:00,053 --> 00:38:02,373 Speaker 3: mean that Chris Hopkins days a numbered. 830 00:38:02,253 --> 00:38:04,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, why would you want to roll 831 00:38:04,973 --> 00:38:06,933 Speaker 2: Chris Hopkins if that's the course. So you're saying that 832 00:38:06,933 --> 00:38:10,573 Speaker 2: Winston Peters is saying that because you know what, does 833 00:38:10,573 --> 00:38:13,173 Speaker 2: he think that within Labor there were people saying without 834 00:38:14,373 --> 00:38:16,693 Speaker 2: with Chriss Hipkins here, then we can't possibly do a 835 00:38:16,733 --> 00:38:19,893 Speaker 2: deal with New Zealand first And it's looking pretty dicey 836 00:38:19,973 --> 00:38:22,413 Speaker 2: if we are as far as getting re elected, If 837 00:38:22,453 --> 00:38:25,053 Speaker 2: our only coalition partners are the Greens and Patti Marti 838 00:38:25,413 --> 00:38:28,733 Speaker 2: our only possibilities, So what's what's the strategy? Bet on 839 00:38:28,773 --> 00:38:30,652 Speaker 2: Winston Peter's there is this someone else that he that 840 00:38:30,693 --> 00:38:32,493 Speaker 2: he likes in Labor, that he'd be willing to work with. 841 00:38:32,653 --> 00:38:35,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, well who else? And Labor is there to take 842 00:38:35,173 --> 00:38:37,453 Speaker 3: on the leadership role of Chris Hipkins does get rolled 843 00:38:37,453 --> 00:38:40,733 Speaker 3: before the election or is this just utu from Winston Peters. 844 00:38:40,813 --> 00:38:44,333 Speaker 3: He made no bones about it that he was pretty 845 00:38:44,333 --> 00:38:47,693 Speaker 3: aggrieved by his treatment by the Labor Party after that 846 00:38:47,773 --> 00:38:50,013 Speaker 3: coalition agreement. So can you get your views on O 847 00:38:50,053 --> 00:38:53,973 Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and the text number 848 00:38:54,253 --> 00:38:56,093 Speaker 3: is nine two ninety two if you want to send 849 00:38:56,133 --> 00:38:59,573 Speaker 3: through a text. New sport and weather coming up, and 850 00:38:59,693 --> 00:39:02,573 Speaker 3: just a reminder we will chat about recycling in New 851 00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:05,533 Speaker 3: Zealand as well. It's all gone bally up in the 852 00:39:05,573 --> 00:39:07,973 Speaker 3: far North. It's not working out and it's probably not 853 00:39:07,973 --> 00:39:09,853 Speaker 3: working out across the country. So we will get to 854 00:39:09,893 --> 00:39:12,533 Speaker 3: that conversation very shortly as well. Great to have your 855 00:39:12,533 --> 00:39:14,973 Speaker 3: company as always you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Very 856 00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:49,973 Speaker 3: very good afternoon to you. We'll see afternoons. 857 00:39:41,453 --> 00:39:45,253 Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams 858 00:39:45,333 --> 00:39:47,453 Speaker 1: Afternoons news Talks, it'd be. 859 00:39:48,493 --> 00:39:52,013 Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you having a great discussion about Winston Peters. 860 00:39:52,053 --> 00:39:54,293 Speaker 3: In an interview with The Herald this morning, he has 861 00:39:54,333 --> 00:39:57,613 Speaker 3: categorically and his words, ruled out ever working with Chris 862 00:39:57,693 --> 00:40:01,613 Speaker 3: Hipkins as long as he is Labor party leader. 863 00:40:01,853 --> 00:40:04,453 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Peter's accused Labor of running a borrow 864 00:40:04,493 --> 00:40:08,053 Speaker 2: and hope for school strategy. He says that they've abandoned 865 00:40:08,213 --> 00:40:11,293 Speaker 2: the fundamental roots as a party and that they're in 866 00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:14,413 Speaker 2: deep trouble and he doesn't work with with Chris Hipkins. 867 00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:17,213 Speaker 2: Got I nearly called him chippy again, Ben, thanks for 868 00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:20,013 Speaker 2: your text, he was saying, constantly calling him chippy? When 869 00:40:20,013 --> 00:40:23,212 Speaker 2: did that happen? Chris Hipkins? Chris Hipkins? Okay, so can 870 00:40:23,253 --> 00:40:25,013 Speaker 2: you what? Can there be a punishment every time I 871 00:40:25,173 --> 00:40:25,933 Speaker 2: call them chippy? 872 00:40:26,453 --> 00:40:27,853 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, just a nice tasering. 873 00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,853 Speaker 2: Yeah you don't have a taser though, Taylor, you need 874 00:40:30,893 --> 00:40:31,613 Speaker 2: to buy a taser. 875 00:40:31,693 --> 00:40:33,853 Speaker 3: I do need to buy a taser or a kettle prod. 876 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,493 Speaker 3: I think you can get those into the country Gide. 877 00:40:35,533 --> 00:40:38,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to really concentrate on it. But Bear 878 00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:40,692 Speaker 2: was quite Chriss Hipkins It's funny. These nicknames get into 879 00:40:40,693 --> 00:40:43,413 Speaker 2: your head and you know you're talking. It's chip chepy. 880 00:40:43,413 --> 00:40:45,333 Speaker 2: It noise the hell out of me. Chris Hipkins. 881 00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:47,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, leader of the opposition, And I think Ben was 882 00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:49,693 Speaker 3: a builder, right, so he took umbrage that he is 883 00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:52,453 Speaker 3: actually a chippy by trade and get sick of hearing 884 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:55,053 Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins be called chippy. Oh, one hundred and eighty 885 00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:59,373 Speaker 3: ten eighty. So we also raise the well, ask the 886 00:40:59,453 --> 00:41:02,973 Speaker 3: question because it's clear, and what Wouldston Peters was saying 887 00:41:03,133 --> 00:41:05,733 Speaker 3: that he is still leaving the door open to Labor 888 00:41:05,773 --> 00:41:08,933 Speaker 3: as a party, just not Chris Hipkins. So and he's 889 00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:12,333 Speaker 3: always been wily, He's very very successful being a politician. 890 00:41:12,853 --> 00:41:16,213 Speaker 3: So if he is angling for Chris Hipkins to be 891 00:41:16,293 --> 00:41:19,773 Speaker 3: rolled as Labor leader, who could step up in that instance? 892 00:41:19,933 --> 00:41:22,533 Speaker 2: Yeah? Hey, boys, wouldn't it be great if they make 893 00:41:22,573 --> 00:41:24,973 Speaker 2: Willie Jackson as leader? That would guarantee that Labour's never 894 00:41:25,013 --> 00:41:27,053 Speaker 2: gets close to being in power for many many years? 895 00:41:27,213 --> 00:41:30,493 Speaker 2: Is this text? This text has hered the pond's pretty 896 00:41:30,493 --> 00:41:34,093 Speaker 2: shallow with Labor. Beyond Chris Hipkins, you've got Ginny and McNulty. 897 00:41:34,333 --> 00:41:37,093 Speaker 2: That's effectively the opposition right now. Sad state of affairs 898 00:41:37,093 --> 00:41:41,333 Speaker 2: for them. That's from Steve. Perhaps it should be three 899 00:41:41,413 --> 00:41:44,093 Speaker 2: years whenever Labor win and four years whenever National win. 900 00:41:44,133 --> 00:41:46,133 Speaker 2: Not enough, that's an election. 901 00:41:46,573 --> 00:41:48,493 Speaker 3: Tough one to get past the lawmakers. 902 00:41:48,493 --> 00:41:50,652 Speaker 2: That was a suggestion for MMP. I don't know if 903 00:41:50,693 --> 00:41:54,733 Speaker 2: that would pass the muster on a referendum. It's luxon 904 00:41:54,773 --> 00:41:57,373 Speaker 2: who needs rolling walked over completely by Act and their 905 00:41:57,453 --> 00:42:00,453 Speaker 2: ridiculous policies which had a tiny number of voters. He's 906 00:42:00,573 --> 00:42:03,813 Speaker 2: a puppet leader, always missing an action. That's from Lynn. 907 00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:07,133 Speaker 2: So a lot of opinions coming in on both sides 908 00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:07,933 Speaker 2: of this issue. 909 00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:09,573 Speaker 3: And we're keen on your Z. One hundred and eighty 910 00:42:09,613 --> 00:42:12,893 Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call Ellen. You've been 911 00:42:12,933 --> 00:42:14,732 Speaker 3: hanging on for some time. Thanks for hanging on. What's 912 00:42:14,773 --> 00:42:15,172 Speaker 3: your take? 913 00:42:16,413 --> 00:42:21,133 Speaker 21: That's fine. Just backtracking to our first caller that mentioned 914 00:42:21,413 --> 00:42:25,933 Speaker 21: the downfalls of first pass the post, how muldoon came 915 00:42:25,973 --> 00:42:29,973 Speaker 21: in with a minority. You want to also think back 916 00:42:30,013 --> 00:42:33,813 Speaker 21: to when your cinder came in. She came in with minority, 917 00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,453 Speaker 21: who is only Peter's that got her in there because 918 00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:41,693 Speaker 21: National had the majority. So it works even under MMP, 919 00:42:42,373 --> 00:42:47,573 Speaker 21: minorities guests and can take power. So don't roll it out. 920 00:42:47,813 --> 00:42:52,653 Speaker 21: And Australia's going through a threshold now after their election. 921 00:42:53,133 --> 00:42:57,493 Speaker 21: They're still having their transferable votes counted. There's eight seats 922 00:42:57,533 --> 00:43:00,613 Speaker 21: that are in the wind that could be toppled. So 923 00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:05,013 Speaker 21: it's not at all but be it all system. 924 00:43:04,693 --> 00:43:09,333 Speaker 3: Either So just on the just on the showing the 925 00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:12,853 Speaker 3: hand too soon? Do you think, I mean, generally, do 926 00:43:12,893 --> 00:43:14,573 Speaker 3: you think it is too soon? The very fact that 927 00:43:14,613 --> 00:43:17,812 Speaker 3: we're talking about this, we most of us could see 928 00:43:17,813 --> 00:43:19,813 Speaker 3: that Winston Peters is likely going to be a big 929 00:43:19,853 --> 00:43:24,333 Speaker 3: player in the election an eighteen months time. So and 930 00:43:24,373 --> 00:43:27,053 Speaker 3: it's not, as he says many times his first rodeo 931 00:43:28,013 --> 00:43:31,692 Speaker 3: as he campaigns on So genuinely, do you think he 932 00:43:31,733 --> 00:43:32,613 Speaker 3: hasn't thought this through? 933 00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:38,613 Speaker 21: Oh, he were given it some thought. But my first 934 00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:41,333 Speaker 21: thought is he's possibly done it too soon because we 935 00:43:41,613 --> 00:43:44,613 Speaker 21: know it would be a no show with Hipkins at 936 00:43:44,773 --> 00:43:49,253 Speaker 21: the lead. But if you look within the labor camp, 937 00:43:49,613 --> 00:43:52,373 Speaker 21: who else is there? And a whole lot of dead 938 00:43:52,493 --> 00:43:57,053 Speaker 21: deep bunch has been no good. They're all failed. They 939 00:43:57,213 --> 00:44:03,853 Speaker 21: had their run and they all showed their hand. They failed. McNulty, 940 00:44:03,973 --> 00:44:07,893 Speaker 21: he's got history. Who was holding back on I don't 941 00:44:07,933 --> 00:44:11,813 Speaker 21: have any I don't have to pay anything, declare it 942 00:44:12,133 --> 00:44:16,933 Speaker 21: and his head was forced. So there's no talent in there. 943 00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:21,093 Speaker 2: So Allan, when you think, just just go back a step. 944 00:44:21,173 --> 00:44:24,573 Speaker 2: So there's there's politics and there's integrity, right, and so 945 00:44:24,693 --> 00:44:27,533 Speaker 2: maybe it's good politics who you rule in and who 946 00:44:27,533 --> 00:44:30,813 Speaker 2: you rull out and when you don't. But if in 947 00:44:30,853 --> 00:44:34,212 Speaker 2: the case of Chris Hipkins, you're willing to say quite 948 00:44:34,253 --> 00:44:39,413 Speaker 2: a lot of quite intense things about Winston Peters, you 949 00:44:39,453 --> 00:44:41,493 Speaker 2: know he said, you know, as in that audio I 950 00:44:41,613 --> 00:44:44,453 Speaker 2: paid for from the interview on HEROLD now this morning. 951 00:44:45,093 --> 00:44:47,652 Speaker 2: If you're willing to say that that stuff, but you're 952 00:44:47,653 --> 00:44:51,053 Speaker 2: not willing to categorically rule out working with them, that 953 00:44:51,173 --> 00:44:54,333 Speaker 2: might be good politics. But there's an integrity problem, there 954 00:44:54,373 --> 00:44:55,133 Speaker 2: isn't there. Allan? 955 00:44:56,053 --> 00:45:01,533 Speaker 21: Well, absolutely, If you want to look at Hipkins, all 956 00:45:01,693 --> 00:45:05,453 Speaker 21: his portfolios that he held under the last government and 957 00:45:05,493 --> 00:45:08,173 Speaker 21: then he even rose to being prime minister for a while, 958 00:45:08,453 --> 00:45:13,053 Speaker 21: he failed on every single portfolio. He achieved nothing, and 959 00:45:13,173 --> 00:45:16,093 Speaker 21: he failed being prime minister too because he lost the election. 960 00:45:16,893 --> 00:45:19,493 Speaker 21: So what better residentials could you get? 961 00:45:20,053 --> 00:45:22,133 Speaker 2: Do you think it all for him? 962 00:45:22,173 --> 00:45:23,013 Speaker 21: For being a leader? 963 00:45:23,413 --> 00:45:26,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, how successful do you think Winston Peters has been? 964 00:45:26,573 --> 00:45:28,733 Speaker 2: I mean his career goes it's a huge question. It 965 00:45:28,733 --> 00:45:31,773 Speaker 2: goes back to nineteen seventy eight. But how successful do 966 00:45:31,853 --> 00:45:36,772 Speaker 2: you think he has been in getting what he wants well? 967 00:45:36,853 --> 00:45:40,053 Speaker 21: Right now for this term of the government so far, 968 00:45:41,013 --> 00:45:45,613 Speaker 21: I would say the country is holding them in quite 969 00:45:45,733 --> 00:45:50,533 Speaker 21: high esteem for his foreign affairs management and the way 970 00:45:50,613 --> 00:45:53,533 Speaker 21: he has got around. He has really lifted New Zealand 971 00:45:53,613 --> 00:45:56,093 Speaker 21: up and he's done the work and doing the job. 972 00:45:56,733 --> 00:45:56,933 Speaker 8: Yeah. 973 00:45:56,933 --> 00:45:59,453 Speaker 2: Well he was also when he was even though it 974 00:45:59,613 --> 00:46:02,893 Speaker 2: sort of collapsed, But in the Helen Clark government he 975 00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:05,652 Speaker 2: got a lot of praise for his work as in 976 00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:09,172 Speaker 2: foreign as a foreigner mister back then as well. But yes, 977 00:46:09,533 --> 00:46:12,693 Speaker 2: what I thought was quite impressive reading today one hundred 978 00:46:12,733 --> 00:46:19,933 Speaker 2: and fifty two days that he's been away working overseas countries, 979 00:46:20,013 --> 00:46:24,293 Speaker 2: that's pretty phenomenal. One hundred and seventy four engagements with counterparts. 980 00:46:23,733 --> 00:46:25,293 Speaker 11: That's right, it's. 981 00:46:27,213 --> 00:46:27,573 Speaker 10: It is. 982 00:46:27,693 --> 00:46:29,493 Speaker 21: And you look at the prime minister, I think he 983 00:46:29,573 --> 00:46:31,813 Speaker 21: deserves a bit of a break. He has been out 984 00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:36,252 Speaker 21: and about and working just as hard and still being 985 00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:39,853 Speaker 21: Prime Minister of the country, so he has been right 986 00:46:39,893 --> 00:46:42,853 Speaker 21: there and behind them and working equally just as hard. 987 00:46:43,333 --> 00:46:45,293 Speaker 3: I think when you give Winston Peter's a job that 988 00:46:45,333 --> 00:46:47,813 Speaker 3: he wants. He's very very good. If he doesn't have 989 00:46:47,813 --> 00:46:50,173 Speaker 3: a job he wants, then he can be a massive 990 00:46:50,213 --> 00:46:53,813 Speaker 3: thorn on the side of anyone who comes against him. 991 00:46:54,133 --> 00:46:57,013 Speaker 21: Yes, he can be, and he can check people. So 992 00:46:57,733 --> 00:47:00,453 Speaker 21: you've got to give him his doubt. And I think 993 00:47:00,493 --> 00:47:04,213 Speaker 21: the country knows him well enough to know what sort 994 00:47:04,453 --> 00:47:08,813 Speaker 21: of fish he is. And he might be about recouter 995 00:47:08,893 --> 00:47:12,573 Speaker 21: in the pool, you can add a good barter. 996 00:47:14,253 --> 00:47:16,692 Speaker 2: Nice here's a barracouter out of the pool as well. 997 00:47:16,693 --> 00:47:19,333 Speaker 2: It's quite amazing how many stand ups you see from 998 00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:22,413 Speaker 2: Winston Peter's in Parliament and how much he looms over 999 00:47:22,413 --> 00:47:25,493 Speaker 2: the political landscape back home when he's been away for 1000 00:47:25,493 --> 00:47:28,533 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty two days of his time in office. 1001 00:47:28,573 --> 00:47:30,533 Speaker 3: Yeah, you cannot say he's not a hard work and 1002 00:47:30,573 --> 00:47:32,533 Speaker 3: that is pretty incredible. I wait, underd An eighty T 1003 00:47:32,573 --> 00:47:34,853 Speaker 3: and eighty Caen you get your thoughts on Winston Peter's 1004 00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:36,973 Speaker 3: ruling out Chris Hipkins. If he has ruled out Chris 1005 00:47:37,013 --> 00:47:39,613 Speaker 3: Hipkins but not the Labor Party, is there a potential 1006 00:47:39,653 --> 00:47:43,212 Speaker 3: for Hipkins to be rolled in another MP to take 1007 00:47:43,253 --> 00:47:45,173 Speaker 3: that leadership spot in the Labor Party. 1008 00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:48,732 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, honestly, Chris Hipkins is just a ceaseless winging man. 1009 00:47:48,813 --> 00:47:51,813 Speaker 2: Good on Winston calling it, and for a very good reason. 1010 00:47:52,013 --> 00:47:54,653 Speaker 2: The Coalition is far a far superior team of extremely 1011 00:47:54,693 --> 00:47:57,373 Speaker 2: astute people with very intelligent minds, and they are by 1012 00:47:57,373 --> 00:47:59,533 Speaker 2: a long shot good at the helm. Faced with the 1013 00:47:59,533 --> 00:48:02,333 Speaker 2: most complicated mess to sort out, at least New Zealand 1014 00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:06,172 Speaker 2: is governed by exceptional brains. Winston is a polished, very 1015 00:48:06,173 --> 00:48:09,373 Speaker 2: well educated man and unafraid to speak out. I like 1016 00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:11,653 Speaker 2: that about him. That's from Julie. So, boy, that's a 1017 00:48:12,413 --> 00:48:14,573 Speaker 2: that's some high praise there from Julie. Do you agree? 1018 00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:17,652 Speaker 2: Do you disagree? Eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I've got 1019 00:48:17,693 --> 00:48:18,732 Speaker 2: a question for you as well. 1020 00:48:19,133 --> 00:48:19,413 Speaker 3: Yep. 1021 00:48:20,093 --> 00:48:22,733 Speaker 2: So in nineteen sixty six, when St. Peter's was a teacher, 1022 00:48:22,813 --> 00:48:27,293 Speaker 2: at what level did win he teach primary, intermediate or secondary? 1023 00:48:27,493 --> 00:48:29,772 Speaker 3: Great question? If you think you know. Nine two ninety 1024 00:48:29,813 --> 00:48:32,732 Speaker 3: two is the text number. It is a quarter past too. 1025 00:48:32,733 --> 00:48:32,813 Speaker 22: Oh. 1026 00:48:32,853 --> 00:48:34,773 Speaker 3: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call 1027 00:48:34,813 --> 00:48:35,853 Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts. 1028 00:48:36,693 --> 00:48:41,253 Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams 1029 00:48:41,293 --> 00:48:45,253 Speaker 1: afternoons call eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk said, be. 1030 00:48:46,533 --> 00:48:48,933 Speaker 3: A very good afternoon. We are talking about Winston Peter's 1031 00:48:49,013 --> 00:48:52,373 Speaker 3: ruling out Chris Hopkins. He ever working with Chris Hopkins 1032 00:48:52,373 --> 00:48:55,172 Speaker 3: in any sort of coalition. He said that to the 1033 00:48:55,253 --> 00:48:59,172 Speaker 3: NZ heralds Thomas Coglin. And so the question we've asked 1034 00:48:59,213 --> 00:49:00,973 Speaker 3: you is is that a wise strategy? How do you 1035 00:49:01,013 --> 00:49:03,133 Speaker 3: feel about Winston eighteen months out from the election. 1036 00:49:03,373 --> 00:49:05,573 Speaker 2: And I asked the question to what level was Winston 1037 00:49:05,573 --> 00:49:10,053 Speaker 2: Peter's a teacher? He took He had two intermediate school 1038 00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:13,133 Speaker 2: in Auckland before heading to Australia to become a blast 1039 00:49:13,213 --> 00:49:16,093 Speaker 2: furnace worker in Newcastle. But he did a couple of 1040 00:49:16,133 --> 00:49:18,933 Speaker 2: years as an intermediate teacher. Mist Peter's in the sixties. 1041 00:49:19,013 --> 00:49:20,253 Speaker 3: Imagine whom is your teacher? 1042 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:23,973 Speaker 2: Far out? I meagine he was dumb. He would he'd 1043 00:49:24,053 --> 00:49:25,893 Speaker 2: hit back pretty hard at in he cheeking the teacher. 1044 00:49:26,053 --> 00:49:29,253 Speaker 2: That's for sure, we would This Texas says Winston, in 1045 00:49:29,293 --> 00:49:32,173 Speaker 2: my opinion, is a deluded, out of touch, self aggrandizing, 1046 00:49:32,453 --> 00:49:35,893 Speaker 2: obstructive windbag. He's assuming the Labour Party would want to 1047 00:49:35,933 --> 00:49:38,973 Speaker 2: align themselves with New Zealand first. Anyway, that's even if 1048 00:49:38,973 --> 00:49:41,333 Speaker 2: he actually gets a seat in Parliament at the next election. 1049 00:49:41,653 --> 00:49:44,453 Speaker 2: Winston is drinking his own callout aid he loves to 1050 00:49:44,493 --> 00:49:46,493 Speaker 2: be the center of attention. I couldn't care less what 1051 00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:49,053 Speaker 2: he thinks. Try to talk about something that really matters, 1052 00:49:49,093 --> 00:49:52,413 Speaker 2: not that boring old, stinky, old, smelly old fart. 1053 00:49:52,573 --> 00:49:54,613 Speaker 3: Wow, say what you really think. 1054 00:49:55,573 --> 00:49:57,893 Speaker 2: And this one guy, but ag just at the end 1055 00:49:57,933 --> 00:50:00,213 Speaker 2: there he just I think his age is irrelevant. 1056 00:50:00,853 --> 00:50:03,933 Speaker 3: This one says Giday. Guys if ifes, I think we 1057 00:50:03,973 --> 00:50:05,933 Speaker 3: all know what that means. Here we are in twenty 1058 00:50:05,973 --> 00:50:08,613 Speaker 3: twenty five and we're still talking about winebox holding way 1059 00:50:08,613 --> 00:50:11,413 Speaker 3: over the next election. I swear the old Relic will 1060 00:50:11,453 --> 00:50:15,373 Speaker 3: have himself installed as electoral software and will haunt future 1061 00:50:15,413 --> 00:50:19,413 Speaker 3: elections as a cyberbal powered by one hundred proof alcohol 1062 00:50:19,493 --> 00:50:22,053 Speaker 3: and puffing. Rothman's through his events. 1063 00:50:22,093 --> 00:50:25,013 Speaker 2: At that time when he got back in and his 1064 00:50:25,013 --> 00:50:27,573 Speaker 2: first words back in parliament was just boo. Yeah, that 1065 00:50:27,613 --> 00:50:28,172 Speaker 2: was pretty funny. 1066 00:50:28,253 --> 00:50:29,213 Speaker 3: That was very funny. 1067 00:50:29,373 --> 00:50:32,093 Speaker 2: You've got to say, Mike, welcome to the show. 1068 00:50:33,213 --> 00:50:37,293 Speaker 8: Yeah, Hi to the guys. I studied a stage one 1069 00:50:37,453 --> 00:50:41,413 Speaker 8: university paper which was New Zealand Politics, like about thirty 1070 00:50:41,493 --> 00:50:44,893 Speaker 8: years ago, so I've got a sort of a minor 1071 00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:53,053 Speaker 8: grasp on how politics works, and looking at Winston Peters 1072 00:50:53,053 --> 00:50:57,293 Speaker 8: and minor parties and m MP and first pass of 1073 00:50:57,373 --> 00:51:01,653 Speaker 8: posts as well with MMP, it just it just doesn't 1074 00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:04,813 Speaker 8: sit right that a minor party can hold the balance 1075 00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:09,493 Speaker 8: of power. And then if you back to first part 1076 00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:13,773 Speaker 8: of post FFP, I don't see the use and why 1077 00:51:14,493 --> 00:51:18,013 Speaker 8: you have only got two choices of the two major 1078 00:51:18,213 --> 00:51:21,013 Speaker 8: political parties Labor on the left and National on the right. 1079 00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:27,413 Speaker 8: So my thinking is that the problem is party politics itself. 1080 00:51:28,253 --> 00:51:31,493 Speaker 8: So I was thinking just before when this discussion came 1081 00:51:31,573 --> 00:51:36,693 Speaker 8: up on the radio, that what's wrong with the political 1082 00:51:36,733 --> 00:51:41,692 Speaker 8: system changing to purely seats in New Zealand and independence? 1083 00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:42,813 Speaker 5: So you. 1084 00:51:44,453 --> 00:51:47,613 Speaker 8: Have representatives in all the regions and cities and et cetera, 1085 00:51:48,413 --> 00:51:52,013 Speaker 8: And the whole of the beehive is filled with independence, 1086 00:51:52,213 --> 00:51:56,333 Speaker 8: and every single law and piece of legislation that's voted 1087 00:51:56,373 --> 00:52:00,893 Speaker 8: on is exactly like a conscience vote. So I mean, 1088 00:52:00,973 --> 00:52:04,573 Speaker 8: it's not the policies that have put forward. Are they 1089 00:52:04,653 --> 00:52:09,853 Speaker 8: not put forward by bureaucrats and leaders of government departments anyway? 1090 00:52:11,333 --> 00:52:14,293 Speaker 2: So I mean, yeah, that's an interesting that's a really 1091 00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:16,333 Speaker 2: interesting idea, Mike. I wonder how it would work. So 1092 00:52:16,893 --> 00:52:20,172 Speaker 2: what you're saying is essentially you have to be independent. 1093 00:52:20,413 --> 00:52:23,013 Speaker 2: So in every electorate you have to run independently. It 1094 00:52:23,013 --> 00:52:25,813 Speaker 2: can't be organized by a party because one of the 1095 00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:29,013 Speaker 2: things I've noticed with the MMP is with first past 1096 00:52:29,093 --> 00:52:31,213 Speaker 2: the Post you might hear what the MP from Dneedan 1097 00:52:31,293 --> 00:52:33,093 Speaker 2: South had to think, and there might be a little 1098 00:52:33,093 --> 00:52:35,773 Speaker 2: bit of argibargi and people looking after their particular electerate 1099 00:52:35,813 --> 00:52:39,213 Speaker 2: and the interests of their constituents. But now with MMP, 1100 00:52:39,373 --> 00:52:42,293 Speaker 2: you just hear one opinion and it makes the party. 1101 00:52:42,333 --> 00:52:45,733 Speaker 2: Each party has just one opinion. So it's an interesting 1102 00:52:45,773 --> 00:52:48,772 Speaker 2: idea that everyone to be independent. Everything would be done 1103 00:52:48,933 --> 00:52:52,573 Speaker 2: like original Greek democracy where everything was voted on. Yeah, 1104 00:52:52,733 --> 00:52:53,293 Speaker 2: closer to. 1105 00:52:53,253 --> 00:52:55,213 Speaker 8: That, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that sounds good. 1106 00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:58,933 Speaker 2: Closer to that, I mean, be interesting. I'm trying to 1107 00:52:58,933 --> 00:53:00,933 Speaker 2: get my head around how that would work. 1108 00:53:01,173 --> 00:53:02,373 Speaker 3: Well, did the Greeks give it up? 1109 00:53:02,853 --> 00:53:05,973 Speaker 2: Well, well, the Greeks was actually everyone got and that 1110 00:53:06,133 --> 00:53:08,253 Speaker 2: turned up and well, I mean the Greeks gave it up. 1111 00:53:08,333 --> 00:53:11,133 Speaker 2: They got run over by the romansh. 1112 00:53:10,853 --> 00:53:12,573 Speaker 3: They would do it, Yeah, yeah, that'd do it. 1113 00:53:13,413 --> 00:53:16,573 Speaker 2: Of an interesting one. What would you call that system, Mike? 1114 00:53:18,453 --> 00:53:30,853 Speaker 2: A region first, I know, compulsory independence. Yeah, yeah, I 1115 00:53:30,853 --> 00:53:32,573 Speaker 2: think if you call Mike interesting thought. 1116 00:53:32,773 --> 00:53:35,013 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't, I don't not mind that. 1117 00:53:35,213 --> 00:53:37,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, democracy is pretty weird. But do you understand what 1118 00:53:37,533 --> 00:53:40,172 Speaker 2: I'm saying. You kind of just everyone has to toe 1119 00:53:40,213 --> 00:53:42,172 Speaker 2: the party line now, Yeah, even to the point where 1120 00:53:42,173 --> 00:53:45,573 Speaker 2: you have you know, waker jumping. If people don't the 1121 00:53:45,613 --> 00:53:48,493 Speaker 2: party lines, you end up getting you know, four opinions 1122 00:53:48,493 --> 00:53:50,893 Speaker 2: in apartment parliament. Yeah, as supposed what. 1123 00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:52,732 Speaker 3: I've all got to grovel to the leader. Yeah, you're 1124 00:53:52,773 --> 00:53:54,613 Speaker 3: being on one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the 1125 00:53:54,693 --> 00:53:57,613 Speaker 3: number to call. It is twenty three past two. The 1126 00:53:57,613 --> 00:53:59,212 Speaker 3: text number if you want to send a text, nine 1127 00:53:59,253 --> 00:54:04,893 Speaker 3: to nine two back in a mow. 1128 00:54:05,653 --> 00:54:12,133 Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call on us talk ZB, very. 1129 00:54:11,973 --> 00:54:13,013 Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. 1130 00:54:13,373 --> 00:54:16,373 Speaker 2: The suggestion that we just have electorate seats, We've kindly 1131 00:54:16,413 --> 00:54:19,613 Speaker 2: got seventy two electric seats, electorate seats and everyone's independent 1132 00:54:19,653 --> 00:54:22,093 Speaker 2: as a system as opposed to MMP or first parts 1133 00:54:22,093 --> 00:54:25,493 Speaker 2: of the post, call up Michael as delusional. Nothing would 1134 00:54:25,493 --> 00:54:28,413 Speaker 2: get done. What Michaels suggesting will not work. Independent seats 1135 00:54:28,453 --> 00:54:30,573 Speaker 2: then who picks the leader? The party would be a 1136 00:54:30,613 --> 00:54:34,013 Speaker 2: bloody shambles, free for all, Hi guys, that is the 1137 00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:36,212 Speaker 2: system New Zealand originally had. But then a few people 1138 00:54:36,293 --> 00:54:38,933 Speaker 2: supported one guy for prime minister, I few supported another guy, 1139 00:54:38,973 --> 00:54:41,533 Speaker 2: and party politics was born. Having all dependance sounds great, 1140 00:54:41,533 --> 00:54:44,173 Speaker 2: but in reality people would be trading favors and it 1141 00:54:44,213 --> 00:54:48,253 Speaker 2: would lead to widespread production corruption. It'd be hard to 1142 00:54:48,293 --> 00:54:52,053 Speaker 2: stop people colluding. You'd have to have someone policing that. 1143 00:54:52,093 --> 00:54:54,053 Speaker 2: People weren't forming parties even secretly. 1144 00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:57,413 Speaker 3: Yeah. See, every good idea, there's always something if you 1145 00:54:57,813 --> 00:54:58,533 Speaker 3: think of it deeper. 1146 00:54:58,653 --> 00:55:01,013 Speaker 2: You kick down the door and then five or six 1147 00:55:01,173 --> 00:55:03,133 Speaker 2: electorate MPs that have got in, we're having a meeting. 1148 00:55:03,213 --> 00:55:05,493 Speaker 2: You go, are you a party? This is a party 1149 00:55:05,493 --> 00:55:05,773 Speaker 2: in here. 1150 00:55:05,853 --> 00:55:06,773 Speaker 3: This is a voting block. 1151 00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:09,573 Speaker 2: This is a voting block. Ye, this isn't allowed. Yeah, 1152 00:55:09,773 --> 00:55:11,613 Speaker 2: I can see there might be a few problems there 1153 00:55:11,613 --> 00:55:12,453 Speaker 2: and getting anything done. 1154 00:55:13,853 --> 00:55:14,732 Speaker 3: Claire, how are you? 1155 00:55:16,053 --> 00:55:16,613 Speaker 22: I'm good. 1156 00:55:16,733 --> 00:55:17,172 Speaker 8: I'm good. 1157 00:55:17,373 --> 00:55:20,973 Speaker 22: Just talking about that independence of person independence. It's almost 1158 00:55:21,053 --> 00:55:26,733 Speaker 22: like the Swiss system. In Switzerland, every law goes to 1159 00:55:26,973 --> 00:55:32,493 Speaker 22: public referendum really so yeah, and almost nothing gets done, 1160 00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:36,893 Speaker 22: like like you know, it takes for anything to get 1161 00:55:36,933 --> 00:55:38,813 Speaker 22: past through because you had to get a majority from 1162 00:55:38,853 --> 00:55:42,212 Speaker 22: the referender. So yeah, I can imagine that it would 1163 00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:43,613 Speaker 22: grind government to a hold. 1164 00:55:44,653 --> 00:55:47,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's a lot there's a lot of consensus 1165 00:55:47,373 --> 00:55:50,453 Speaker 2: within a party before a bill is even put forward, 1166 00:55:50,773 --> 00:55:53,413 Speaker 2: so there's a lot of pushing and shoving and getting 1167 00:55:53,413 --> 00:55:56,413 Speaker 2: people getting their way across the views before it happens. 1168 00:55:57,013 --> 00:55:59,613 Speaker 2: So for that to happen all out in the open 1169 00:55:59,693 --> 00:56:02,733 Speaker 2: with just seventy two votes, boy, I can imagine that. 1170 00:56:02,853 --> 00:56:03,053 Speaker 23: Yeah. 1171 00:56:03,293 --> 00:56:08,453 Speaker 2: Whatever, we're calling that system the compulsory independence system, that 1172 00:56:08,533 --> 00:56:10,613 Speaker 2: nothing systems. 1173 00:56:11,293 --> 00:56:14,693 Speaker 22: Yeah, the MMP system I think isn't actually that bad. 1174 00:56:15,133 --> 00:56:17,533 Speaker 22: The issue with it is that in New Zealand when 1175 00:56:17,573 --> 00:56:20,333 Speaker 22: we introduced it, we left out a key line in 1176 00:56:20,373 --> 00:56:24,493 Speaker 22: the legislation, which was that the party with the majority 1177 00:56:24,573 --> 00:56:26,813 Speaker 22: vote has the mandate to first form government. 1178 00:56:27,053 --> 00:56:27,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, like in Germany. 1179 00:56:28,053 --> 00:56:32,172 Speaker 22: Had that Yeah, whereas that line had been included, we 1180 00:56:32,173 --> 00:56:35,133 Speaker 22: wouldn't be beholden to the tail wagging the dogs. 1181 00:56:35,173 --> 00:56:37,773 Speaker 2: So can we are can can you explain the advantage 1182 00:56:37,773 --> 00:56:38,652 Speaker 2: in that to us clear? 1183 00:56:40,573 --> 00:56:45,333 Speaker 22: So, say, going back to say the Disinder Adourn election 1184 00:56:45,453 --> 00:56:48,013 Speaker 22: where Winston Peters went with Disinder and it ended up 1185 00:56:48,053 --> 00:56:51,613 Speaker 22: with that three coalition. Whereas the National Party had forty 1186 00:56:51,613 --> 00:56:54,813 Speaker 22: four percent of the vote, So technically the National Party 1187 00:56:54,853 --> 00:56:58,933 Speaker 22: had the majority, you would say, so under adding that 1188 00:56:59,013 --> 00:57:02,453 Speaker 22: line into our legislation would mean that that forty four 1189 00:57:02,493 --> 00:57:06,653 Speaker 22: percent party would have the first right to form government, 1190 00:57:07,253 --> 00:57:10,973 Speaker 22: and only if they were unable to reach a consensus 1191 00:57:10,973 --> 00:57:14,333 Speaker 22: with the minor parties could the minor parties then join 1192 00:57:14,413 --> 00:57:18,613 Speaker 22: together to form a government of their own right. 1193 00:57:19,173 --> 00:57:23,493 Speaker 2: So that's the first writer, but that that could still collapse. 1194 00:57:23,693 --> 00:57:26,093 Speaker 2: And if New Zealand first hadn't got what they wanted 1195 00:57:26,133 --> 00:57:28,813 Speaker 2: to get, then they could have then then gone and 1196 00:57:28,813 --> 00:57:31,533 Speaker 2: started negotiating with labor to former government, then. 1197 00:57:33,253 --> 00:57:36,133 Speaker 22: Yes, but only after they've reported back to the Governor 1198 00:57:36,213 --> 00:57:38,653 Speaker 22: General that they have been unable to form a government. 1199 00:57:39,813 --> 00:57:42,693 Speaker 22: And there can be a trigger within that legislation that 1200 00:57:42,813 --> 00:57:47,133 Speaker 22: says that in that situation you go back to the polls. 1201 00:57:47,733 --> 00:57:50,733 Speaker 22: So there are ways in the ways of handling it 1202 00:57:50,813 --> 00:57:54,173 Speaker 22: which would mandate the majority party has more power than 1203 00:57:54,173 --> 00:57:57,213 Speaker 22: what they currently do under the system, so that if 1204 00:57:57,213 --> 00:58:00,013 Speaker 22: you've got forty four percent of the vote, you actually 1205 00:58:00,373 --> 00:58:03,613 Speaker 22: would have more power than say what Bill English had back. 1206 00:58:03,533 --> 00:58:04,013 Speaker 16: In the day. 1207 00:58:04,453 --> 00:58:08,413 Speaker 3: Right, And so why wasn't that intreached in legislation clear. 1208 00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:12,413 Speaker 22: To be honest, I don't actually know why we didn't 1209 00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:15,973 Speaker 22: do that I suspect part of it was lobbying from 1210 00:58:15,973 --> 00:58:19,773 Speaker 22: the minor parties. There was a lot of holding up 1211 00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:25,093 Speaker 22: overseas models as being like the gold standard, and then 1212 00:58:25,213 --> 00:58:27,893 Speaker 22: not long after that there were several countries that had 1213 00:58:27,933 --> 00:58:30,773 Speaker 22: major issues within the MMP system. And so I think 1214 00:58:30,853 --> 00:58:33,653 Speaker 22: New Zealand tinkered the way that we do and thought 1215 00:58:33,653 --> 00:58:37,453 Speaker 22: that we were improving it by removing that particular piece 1216 00:58:37,613 --> 00:58:41,493 Speaker 22: of war, and then we've ended up in this situation 1217 00:58:41,533 --> 00:58:43,653 Speaker 22: where we are beholden to the minor parties in a 1218 00:58:43,653 --> 00:58:47,493 Speaker 22: way that other countries are not who we have the MMP. 1219 00:58:47,773 --> 00:58:49,893 Speaker 22: So I'm not one hundred per cent sure why we 1220 00:58:50,013 --> 00:58:52,733 Speaker 22: didn't put that in the legislation, but my sense would 1221 00:58:52,773 --> 00:58:55,613 Speaker 22: be that we tinkered because we tend to tinker. 1222 00:58:57,213 --> 00:58:59,693 Speaker 2: We do like a thinker, We do love a tinker. 1223 00:59:00,213 --> 00:59:02,253 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. Clear certainly would 1224 00:59:02,253 --> 00:59:05,253 Speaker 2: be a very different country right now if Winston Peters 1225 00:59:05,293 --> 00:59:09,813 Speaker 2: had negotiated first with Bill English and formed. Certainly would 1226 00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:11,773 Speaker 2: be very different. And some people think it would be worse. 1227 00:59:11,813 --> 00:59:13,613 Speaker 2: Some people think it'd be a lot better. Hey, I've 1228 00:59:13,653 --> 00:59:18,013 Speaker 2: got a question for you. Which Deputy Prime Minister once 1229 00:59:18,173 --> 00:59:21,653 Speaker 2: called Winston Peter's the blowfly of New Zealand politics. 1230 00:59:22,653 --> 00:59:25,213 Speaker 3: Great question. I don't know, but we'll find out very 1231 00:59:25,213 --> 00:59:27,093 Speaker 3: shortly if you think you know. Nine two ninety two 1232 00:59:27,413 --> 00:59:29,413 Speaker 3: is the text number. But we ken on your thoughts 1233 00:59:29,613 --> 00:59:32,173 Speaker 3: on Winston Peter's strategy ruling out Chris Hipkins, Oh eight 1234 00:59:32,253 --> 00:59:35,413 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is MMP fit for purpose? 1235 00:59:35,533 --> 00:59:38,093 Speaker 3: And if Chris Hipkins gets rolled, who would take his place? 1236 00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:40,893 Speaker 3: Plenty to discuss it is twenty nine to three. 1237 00:59:43,733 --> 00:59:47,213 Speaker 6: Jew's talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's 1238 00:59:47,333 --> 00:59:50,893 Speaker 6: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister Samsey 1239 00:59:51,013 --> 00:59:55,893 Speaker 6: expects Israel to provide unfettered humanitarian access to Gaza and 1240 00:59:56,013 --> 01:00:00,333 Speaker 6: hum Us to release hostages. He says, most importantly, everyone 1241 01:00:00,413 --> 01:00:04,213 Speaker 6: needs to discuss the ceasefire. Police are warning people about 1242 01:00:04,213 --> 01:00:07,373 Speaker 6: a game trending on social media called Run It Straight, 1243 01:00:07,773 --> 01:00:11,293 Speaker 6: where people slam into each other at full speed. A 1244 01:00:11,413 --> 01:00:14,733 Speaker 6: Partners to North nineteen year old has died in hospital 1245 01:00:14,973 --> 01:00:19,653 Speaker 6: after playing the game. On Sunday, the Education Minister's announced 1246 01:00:19,653 --> 01:00:23,213 Speaker 6: to six million dollar funding pool for upgrading co Papa 1247 01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:27,173 Speaker 6: Mardy School property. Ten million will go on virtual science 1248 01:00:27,213 --> 01:00:31,813 Speaker 6: and maths learning in today to address teacher shortages. A 1249 01:00:31,893 --> 01:00:35,213 Speaker 6: new report says optimizing rural land use by just ten 1250 01:00:35,253 --> 01:00:40,533 Speaker 6: percent could deliver tens of billions of dollars to the economy. 1251 01:00:41,533 --> 01:00:45,773 Speaker 6: Three Auckland foody families on legacy love and the recipes 1252 01:00:45,773 --> 01:00:48,653 Speaker 6: that bind them. See the story at Viva Premium. Now 1253 01:00:48,693 --> 01:00:50,293 Speaker 6: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams. 1254 01:00:50,293 --> 01:00:52,413 Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayllen, And we're talking about Winston 1255 01:00:52,453 --> 01:00:55,653 Speaker 3: Peter's ruling out Chris Hipkins. Also emmp is it's still 1256 01:00:55,693 --> 01:00:59,293 Speaker 3: fit for purpose. And if Chris Hipkins does get rolled 1257 01:00:59,333 --> 01:01:03,773 Speaker 3: by a Labor Party, which Winston Peter's appears hopeful of, well, 1258 01:01:03,853 --> 01:01:05,613 Speaker 3: actually I'm putting words in his mouth there, but he 1259 01:01:05,653 --> 01:01:07,733 Speaker 3: said he'd rule out working with Chris Hipkins, but he 1260 01:01:07,773 --> 01:01:09,933 Speaker 3: hasn't ruled out working with the Labor Party. So can 1261 01:01:09,973 --> 01:01:12,333 Speaker 3: you get your views on on eighty. 1262 01:01:12,493 --> 01:01:14,773 Speaker 2: Do we think that Chrisipkins will be the leader going 1263 01:01:14,773 --> 01:01:18,213 Speaker 2: into the election in eighteen months? I asked the question 1264 01:01:18,253 --> 01:01:22,133 Speaker 2: before which Deputy Prime Minister called Winston Peters the blowfly 1265 01:01:22,253 --> 01:01:26,413 Speaker 2: of New Zealand politics. It was Deputy Prime Minister Michael Color. 1266 01:01:27,173 --> 01:01:29,613 Speaker 3: He was he was good with a quip old. 1267 01:01:29,613 --> 01:01:32,133 Speaker 2: Michael Collor the blowfly of New Zealand Politics. 1268 01:01:32,213 --> 01:01:33,893 Speaker 3: I wonder how when he responded. 1269 01:01:33,653 --> 01:01:36,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I'm sure he had to 1270 01:01:36,293 --> 01:01:36,613 Speaker 2: come back. 1271 01:01:37,133 --> 01:01:40,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, bet he did, Steve mate, thanks for hanging on. 1272 01:01:41,733 --> 01:01:43,093 Speaker 24: That's no problem. 1273 01:01:43,213 --> 01:01:46,093 Speaker 3: Now, what's your take about Winston Peter's strategy ruling out 1274 01:01:46,133 --> 01:01:48,373 Speaker 3: Chris Well. 1275 01:01:48,253 --> 01:01:52,653 Speaker 24: If you go back around about three years ago, Hopkins 1276 01:01:53,253 --> 01:01:57,853 Speaker 24: got the leader of the opposition or Labor Party, who 1277 01:01:57,933 --> 01:02:00,173 Speaker 24: was going to be the natural challenger for. 1278 01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:03,933 Speaker 3: Him, m m yep, Nash. 1279 01:02:04,373 --> 01:02:08,333 Speaker 24: Yeah, but Nash has been kicked out of the Labor Party, 1280 01:02:10,053 --> 01:02:12,893 Speaker 24: so who's going where's he got? He's got no show 1281 01:02:12,933 --> 01:02:15,173 Speaker 24: of being leader of the Labor Party now, so he 1282 01:02:15,253 --> 01:02:18,413 Speaker 24: might as well go do um first, which he is 1283 01:02:18,413 --> 01:02:19,253 Speaker 24: not ruling. 1284 01:02:19,013 --> 01:02:23,733 Speaker 3: Out Stuart Nash, Yeah, yep. And but how would that 1285 01:02:23,893 --> 01:02:26,373 Speaker 3: change things for Chris Hopkins as it stands. 1286 01:02:26,453 --> 01:02:29,773 Speaker 24: Well, Chris Hopkins, Chris Sipkins wouldn't want him to be there, 1287 01:02:29,773 --> 01:02:34,493 Speaker 24: would he because Chris Hepkins not Nash out. 1288 01:02:35,013 --> 01:02:37,293 Speaker 2: Yeah right, but I mean if there are going ahead 1289 01:02:37,293 --> 01:02:41,293 Speaker 2: to hear, it'd be pretty vivacious anyway, vivacious, you know, 1290 01:02:41,333 --> 01:02:44,293 Speaker 2: the go to hard. Is it something about Stuart Nash 1291 01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:47,093 Speaker 2: particularly that you don't think Chris Hopkins would want to 1292 01:02:47,093 --> 01:02:48,173 Speaker 2: go up against. 1293 01:02:48,413 --> 01:02:51,453 Speaker 24: No, Chris Chris Hopkins wouldn't go up against Nash because 1294 01:02:51,533 --> 01:02:52,413 Speaker 24: Nash would win. 1295 01:02:52,773 --> 01:02:55,973 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, well that's what I'm thinking, Steve. That's why hesitated. 1296 01:02:56,053 --> 01:02:58,613 Speaker 3: Is that Stuart Nash, Ever since he's been kicked out 1297 01:02:58,613 --> 01:03:02,133 Speaker 3: of the party, he's not been shy of criticizing labor, left, 1298 01:03:02,213 --> 01:03:04,573 Speaker 3: right and center. He's constantly on with my costk in 1299 01:03:04,613 --> 01:03:06,133 Speaker 3: having a go and fair enough. 1300 01:03:05,973 --> 01:03:09,013 Speaker 24: To Yeah that'said right, So why would you stick around 1301 01:03:09,093 --> 01:03:13,613 Speaker 24: with labor because he's not a labor person anyway, he's 1302 01:03:13,773 --> 01:03:15,533 Speaker 24: more he's more to the right than what he is 1303 01:03:15,573 --> 01:03:16,133 Speaker 24: to the left. 1304 01:03:16,253 --> 01:03:18,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fair. And I don't think Stuart Nash is 1305 01:03:18,853 --> 01:03:20,613 Speaker 3: ever going back to the Labor Party. Never say never, 1306 01:03:20,653 --> 01:03:23,533 Speaker 3: I suppose, but yeah, I don't think he's he's a contender. 1307 01:03:24,173 --> 01:03:25,853 Speaker 3: If it's not Nash, who do you think? Who do 1308 01:03:25,893 --> 01:03:27,773 Speaker 3: you think could lead the Labor Party? Steve? 1309 01:03:28,853 --> 01:03:29,333 Speaker 23: Well? 1310 01:03:29,533 --> 01:03:30,293 Speaker 24: What have they got? 1311 01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:34,813 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's that's the big question McNulty. I mean, 1312 01:03:34,893 --> 01:03:37,093 Speaker 3: Barbara Edmonds has been talented. 1313 01:03:38,493 --> 01:03:41,893 Speaker 24: Donkey won't leader because he hasn't got the wet or 1314 01:03:41,973 --> 01:03:47,973 Speaker 24: the ability. Yeah, they kicked out the man that should 1315 01:03:48,013 --> 01:03:51,293 Speaker 24: have been there. Yeah, right, which was Nash, but that's 1316 01:03:51,413 --> 01:03:52,133 Speaker 24: her own fault. 1317 01:03:52,493 --> 01:03:54,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you, you call Steve. 1318 01:03:54,573 --> 01:03:58,733 Speaker 3: I mean Stuart Nash. I think arguably he's been better 1319 01:03:58,773 --> 01:04:01,893 Speaker 3: outside of politics than he was in. Certainly he's not 1320 01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:04,973 Speaker 3: shy of an opinion when things are happening in the 1321 01:04:04,973 --> 01:04:07,773 Speaker 3: political realm and he's done. He's been very successful in 1322 01:04:07,773 --> 01:04:10,213 Speaker 3: the private realm. But yeah, as Steve said, he's I 1323 01:04:10,253 --> 01:04:11,853 Speaker 3: don't think he's going to go back to the Labor 1324 01:04:11,893 --> 01:04:14,573 Speaker 3: Party to try and lead it if Chris Hipkins gets rolled. 1325 01:04:14,493 --> 01:04:17,053 Speaker 2: This Texas says, yes, the highest polling party should choose 1326 01:04:17,093 --> 01:04:19,733 Speaker 2: their partner to govern with, not the least polling party. 1327 01:04:19,773 --> 01:04:22,733 Speaker 2: It means majority of voters get basically no say after 1328 01:04:22,813 --> 01:04:25,773 Speaker 2: voting of what they actually wanted. MMP is a complete 1329 01:04:25,853 --> 01:04:29,773 Speaker 2: failure in New Zealand. But it's been very very good 1330 01:04:30,253 --> 01:04:33,013 Speaker 2: for Winston Peters, or you could say that Winston Peters 1331 01:04:33,173 --> 01:04:37,053 Speaker 2: has been very good at negotiating within MMP. I mean 1332 01:04:37,053 --> 01:04:41,173 Speaker 2: he's managed to become Deputy Prime minister three three times, 1333 01:04:41,173 --> 01:04:45,493 Speaker 2: pretty good from the position of a party often you know, 1334 01:04:45,853 --> 01:04:48,173 Speaker 2: often getting five to six seven percent of the vote. 1335 01:04:48,213 --> 01:04:50,133 Speaker 3: If that's not success in politics, I don't know what 1336 01:04:50,253 --> 01:04:51,973 Speaker 3: is O eight undred and eighty ten eighty is the 1337 01:04:52,093 --> 01:04:52,613 Speaker 3: number to call. 1338 01:04:52,813 --> 01:04:53,853 Speaker 2: Chris, Welcome to the show. 1339 01:04:55,693 --> 01:05:00,813 Speaker 10: How you doing Hey, Thanks for the opportunity to say something. 1340 01:05:00,853 --> 01:05:04,653 Speaker 10: But I don't recall about the last election, but certainly 1341 01:05:04,733 --> 01:05:09,573 Speaker 10: the election before. I'm well, I think I'm right, and 1342 01:05:09,613 --> 01:05:12,773 Speaker 10: correct me if I'm wrong that not one member of 1343 01:05:12,813 --> 01:05:16,533 Speaker 10: the Greens, all one member of New Zealand first was 1344 01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:21,693 Speaker 10: elected to parliament. They purely got in on the list, 1345 01:05:22,053 --> 01:05:26,613 Speaker 10: and which to me is the most ridiculous thing because 1346 01:05:26,613 --> 01:05:30,093 Speaker 10: it's only the party that determine, you know, where you 1347 01:05:30,133 --> 01:05:33,693 Speaker 10: fit on that list. You're putting people into parliament who 1348 01:05:33,853 --> 01:05:37,933 Speaker 10: have not been voted probably if I remember rightly, is it? 1349 01:05:38,093 --> 01:05:42,333 Speaker 10: Nandor Tenshiel stood in Auckland many years ago and he 1350 01:05:42,453 --> 01:05:45,813 Speaker 10: got something like one hundred and sixty votes, so that 1351 01:05:45,933 --> 01:05:48,653 Speaker 10: said what people thought of him. But he became the. 1352 01:05:48,733 --> 01:05:51,173 Speaker 24: Leader of the Greens for god say. 1353 01:05:51,413 --> 01:05:54,733 Speaker 10: So, you know we've got a really we've got a 1354 01:05:54,773 --> 01:05:58,493 Speaker 10: system of one hundred and twenty two parliamentarians of which 1355 01:05:59,253 --> 01:06:03,253 Speaker 10: probably eighty five to ninety percent, you ninety percent people 1356 01:06:03,253 --> 01:06:05,933 Speaker 10: wouldn't know who they were what they do. 1357 01:06:06,333 --> 01:06:08,773 Speaker 3: Yes, well it was, I mean it was a twenty 1358 01:06:08,813 --> 01:06:11,333 Speaker 3: election that the New Zealand first got no seats. I 1359 01:06:11,373 --> 01:06:14,373 Speaker 3: think they pulled it two point five percent something like that. 1360 01:06:14,373 --> 01:06:16,333 Speaker 3: They didn't get over the five percent three shold anyway, 1361 01:06:16,373 --> 01:06:20,613 Speaker 3: the Greens did get some seats, but outside of cabinet. 1362 01:06:21,693 --> 01:06:24,653 Speaker 3: I forget the phrasing, but certainly there were no ministers 1363 01:06:24,653 --> 01:06:28,413 Speaker 3: within cabinet or greening Peace within cabinet. But that, of 1364 01:06:28,453 --> 01:06:31,453 Speaker 3: course was a rare election, wasn't it. Chris where labor 1365 01:06:31,453 --> 01:06:37,173 Speaker 3: effectively that was almost like first first past the post, true. 1366 01:06:36,973 --> 01:06:38,773 Speaker 10: But it was one of those elections might have it 1367 01:06:38,813 --> 01:06:40,813 Speaker 10: was at twenty three or I don't know when it was. 1368 01:06:40,853 --> 01:06:44,733 Speaker 10: But people in Parliament like, you've got to look back 1369 01:06:44,773 --> 01:06:48,093 Speaker 10: and say, you know Winston as much as you know, 1370 01:06:48,213 --> 01:06:50,533 Speaker 10: I think he's doing not a bad job. Quite frankly, 1371 01:06:50,733 --> 01:06:54,013 Speaker 10: he's never been a fan of of mine, but he 1372 01:06:54,173 --> 01:06:56,933 Speaker 10: was realistically kicked out a tear wronger. He went up 1373 01:06:56,973 --> 01:06:59,213 Speaker 10: to Northland and he was voted out of there as well. 1374 01:06:59,293 --> 01:07:02,973 Speaker 10: So but he's there, he is today as being Deputy 1375 01:07:03,013 --> 01:07:03,573 Speaker 10: Prime Minister. 1376 01:07:03,693 --> 01:07:05,253 Speaker 5: And I had the systems mad. 1377 01:07:05,613 --> 01:07:09,933 Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm convinced it's mad. So I think New Zealand 1378 01:07:10,053 --> 01:07:13,453 Speaker 10: deserve what they get because ninety percent of people wouldn't 1379 01:07:13,493 --> 01:07:15,573 Speaker 10: have a bloody clue what they what they're doing. 1380 01:07:16,693 --> 01:07:18,853 Speaker 3: And so looking ahead to and I know we're eighteen 1381 01:07:18,893 --> 01:07:20,613 Speaker 3: months out, Chris, but do you think this is a 1382 01:07:20,613 --> 01:07:23,893 Speaker 3: wise strategy for Winston Peters to rule out Chris Hipkins. 1383 01:07:23,973 --> 01:07:27,013 Speaker 3: Understand that you've got issues with the system that it's run, 1384 01:07:27,053 --> 01:07:28,933 Speaker 3: but is this going to be a strategy that gets 1385 01:07:28,973 --> 01:07:29,333 Speaker 3: them back in? 1386 01:07:33,293 --> 01:07:35,733 Speaker 10: He's getting a bit like Joe Biden, doesn't he sort 1387 01:07:35,733 --> 01:07:38,253 Speaker 10: of it must be getting past these used by date. 1388 01:07:38,333 --> 01:07:41,453 Speaker 10: But yes, he's got the quick quips and that sort 1389 01:07:41,453 --> 01:07:43,533 Speaker 10: of thing. But you know who the hell would want 1390 01:07:43,533 --> 01:07:46,253 Speaker 10: to work with Chubby? To be fair is what's has 1391 01:07:46,333 --> 01:07:50,853 Speaker 10: he ever done? What's his background which I'd be fascinated with, 1392 01:07:51,133 --> 01:07:55,013 Speaker 10: what's he done and given back to New Zealand other 1393 01:07:55,093 --> 01:07:57,173 Speaker 10: than being in politics, And the same with quite a 1394 01:07:57,213 --> 01:08:00,373 Speaker 10: few of these labor people and probably national that the 1395 01:08:00,413 --> 01:08:03,333 Speaker 10: other parties as well. I'm not just saying one party, but. 1396 01:08:04,973 --> 01:08:07,693 Speaker 5: You know what, what's the what's the god. 1397 01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:10,173 Speaker 10: Given right to stand for parliament other than. 1398 01:08:10,053 --> 01:08:12,973 Speaker 5: The fact that the feel that they want to save 1399 01:08:13,053 --> 01:08:13,733 Speaker 5: the world or. 1400 01:08:15,173 --> 01:08:17,133 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean everyone can run for parliament. I 1401 01:08:17,133 --> 01:08:19,733 Speaker 2: guess we can judge whether they have done enough of 1402 01:08:19,773 --> 01:08:21,772 Speaker 2: the being successful and passed to get there. I would 1403 01:08:21,813 --> 01:08:24,732 Speaker 2: say with Winston Peters, he is eighty, but there's different 1404 01:08:24,732 --> 01:08:27,293 Speaker 2: eighties out there. I think I think you know they're 1405 01:08:27,333 --> 01:08:29,732 Speaker 2: saying age is just a number. My dad's eighty three 1406 01:08:29,772 --> 01:08:32,892 Speaker 2: and he's extremely sharp. There's a lot of people in 1407 01:08:32,893 --> 01:08:35,972 Speaker 2: their eighties that are very sharp, and I think Winston 1408 01:08:35,973 --> 01:08:37,412 Speaker 2: Peters is as sharp as he's ever been. 1409 01:08:37,452 --> 01:08:39,173 Speaker 3: He's got a heck of a lot of energy, that's 1410 01:08:39,173 --> 01:08:41,093 Speaker 3: for sure. Oh eight hundred eighty teen eighty is the 1411 01:08:41,213 --> 01:08:43,972 Speaker 3: number to call love to hear your thoughts about MMP 1412 01:08:44,133 --> 01:08:47,132 Speaker 3: and Winston Peter's ruling out Chris Hipkins. It is eighteen 1413 01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:47,852 Speaker 3: to three. 1414 01:08:49,213 --> 01:08:52,612 Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and 1415 01:08:52,933 --> 01:08:57,052 Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons U's talks. 1416 01:08:57,053 --> 01:08:59,333 Speaker 3: It'd be afternoon. It is a quarter to three, and 1417 01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:02,692 Speaker 3: we're talking about Winston Peter's ruling out Chris Hopkins ever 1418 01:09:02,772 --> 01:09:05,133 Speaker 3: going into coalition with Chris Hipkins, but hasn't ruled out 1419 01:09:05,173 --> 01:09:07,452 Speaker 3: the Labor Party. So can you get your views on Oh, 1420 01:09:07,492 --> 01:09:10,093 Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Is that a wise strategy? 1421 01:09:10,412 --> 01:09:13,412 Speaker 3: Is MMP working the way it should be working. We're 1422 01:09:13,452 --> 01:09:16,612 Speaker 3: eighteen months out from an election, so can you get 1423 01:09:16,652 --> 01:09:17,212 Speaker 3: your views. 1424 01:09:17,372 --> 01:09:20,412 Speaker 2: So the previous call was asking what has chrisins ever 1425 01:09:20,452 --> 01:09:24,012 Speaker 2: done that makes him think that he should lead us? Well, 1426 01:09:24,053 --> 01:09:25,732 Speaker 2: you know, he's put himself up and he got voted in, 1427 01:09:25,812 --> 01:09:29,333 Speaker 2: so that's something. Yeah, but he this is look at this. 1428 01:09:29,692 --> 01:09:31,732 Speaker 2: In two thousand and two thousand and one, he was 1429 01:09:31,772 --> 01:09:35,852 Speaker 2: elected president of the Victoria University of Wellington Students Association 1430 01:09:36,013 --> 01:09:39,852 Speaker 2: impressor Grant Robinson was also elected of the OUSA. It 1431 01:09:40,013 --> 01:09:42,973 Speaker 2: was a university students association this way through. What did 1432 01:09:42,973 --> 01:09:47,253 Speaker 2: he study? He said, politics and criminology at university, worked 1433 01:09:47,253 --> 01:09:50,532 Speaker 2: for the Todd Energy for a bit and then jumped 1434 01:09:50,532 --> 01:09:51,172 Speaker 2: into parliament. 1435 01:09:51,532 --> 01:09:54,893 Speaker 3: There you go, right, okay, so mostly a politician, a 1436 01:09:54,933 --> 01:09:56,732 Speaker 3: little bit of work for Todd Energy and then boom 1437 01:09:56,812 --> 01:10:01,692 Speaker 3: yeah into politics. Yeah yeah, Laighton, you want to have 1438 01:10:01,732 --> 01:10:02,772 Speaker 3: a chat about MMP. 1439 01:10:04,173 --> 01:10:05,173 Speaker 19: Yeah, thank you very much. 1440 01:10:05,213 --> 01:10:06,932 Speaker 3: Can you hear me out and clear? 1441 01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:07,532 Speaker 2: Can hear you good? 1442 01:10:07,572 --> 01:10:07,812 Speaker 25: Layton? 1443 01:10:08,853 --> 01:10:11,333 Speaker 19: Yeah, Grandy mate. So just out of curiosity, I too 1444 01:10:11,732 --> 01:10:15,253 Speaker 19: was a former president of Victoria University Students Association. We 1445 01:10:15,732 --> 01:10:19,293 Speaker 19: didn't get it, ye, didn't go into the national politics anyway. 1446 01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:24,092 Speaker 19: Now MMP was a way back where I'm ever social credit. 1447 01:10:24,133 --> 01:10:27,452 Speaker 19: When Besa and Napp got two seats in parliament, they 1448 01:10:27,452 --> 01:10:29,372 Speaker 19: got twenty three percent of vote and that was their 1449 01:10:29,412 --> 01:10:33,333 Speaker 19: sum total. Subsequent elects and the boundary changes were rearranged 1450 01:10:33,372 --> 01:10:35,213 Speaker 19: and all of a sudden Bruce beth And lost him 1451 01:10:35,253 --> 01:10:38,532 Speaker 19: seat and as a consequence going out for so fell 1452 01:10:38,973 --> 01:10:40,532 Speaker 19: and that in the end put the end of Social 1453 01:10:40,572 --> 01:10:43,572 Speaker 19: Credits pretty much forever. So I have a sympathy for 1454 01:10:43,812 --> 01:10:48,092 Speaker 19: proposal representation. Subsequently, I was also involved with Design Party 1455 01:10:48,133 --> 01:10:51,052 Speaker 19: under Bob Jones and we got rounded up fifteen percent 1456 01:10:51,093 --> 01:10:53,893 Speaker 19: of the vote made nearly twenty and as a consequence 1457 01:10:54,093 --> 01:10:57,732 Speaker 19: put while doing that department that brought in David Longing. 1458 01:10:58,133 --> 01:11:00,692 Speaker 19: So again for all that effort, no seats. So I 1459 01:11:00,772 --> 01:11:05,452 Speaker 19: believe proposal representation has a role to play, I think, 1460 01:11:05,572 --> 01:11:08,253 Speaker 19: and I agree with the previous caller who talked about 1461 01:11:08,612 --> 01:11:12,372 Speaker 19: the bandais or who had the entitlement to form a government. 1462 01:11:12,372 --> 01:11:14,372 Speaker 19: It's not about it. I think I've heard that as well. 1463 01:11:14,572 --> 01:11:18,253 Speaker 19: My understanding the nuance was only as the majority party 1464 01:11:18,572 --> 01:11:22,732 Speaker 19: could you negotiate government and supply with other parties, and 1465 01:11:22,772 --> 01:11:25,333 Speaker 19: as a consequence, if you could not get that through. 1466 01:11:25,612 --> 01:11:27,412 Speaker 19: Then you would have to go back to the poles. 1467 01:11:27,652 --> 01:11:29,532 Speaker 19: Now last, a lot of people might think, oh, that 1468 01:11:29,612 --> 01:11:32,612 Speaker 19: looks ugly. It suddenly puts a lot of heat under 1469 01:11:32,652 --> 01:11:37,173 Speaker 19: the minor parties to agree to going into coalition, because 1470 01:11:37,173 --> 01:11:39,173 Speaker 19: the last thing is they don't want to go back 1471 01:11:39,173 --> 01:11:40,852 Speaker 19: to the polls because it's a hell of a lot 1472 01:11:40,893 --> 01:11:43,133 Speaker 19: of work as a minor party to make your way 1473 01:11:43,253 --> 01:11:46,093 Speaker 19: at the elections. And I think you suddenly cline that 1474 01:11:46,133 --> 01:11:48,213 Speaker 19: would suddenly cause a lot of people to see the 1475 01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:51,412 Speaker 19: light and be less strident about their demand than forming 1476 01:11:51,412 --> 01:11:52,053 Speaker 19: a coalition. 1477 01:11:52,213 --> 01:11:54,492 Speaker 2: So what you're saying that, what you're saying there late 1478 01:11:54,732 --> 01:11:57,293 Speaker 2: is that you would have to only the party that 1479 01:11:57,372 --> 01:12:00,372 Speaker 2: got the highest vote the majority. Yeah, not the majority 1480 01:12:00,412 --> 01:12:03,372 Speaker 2: of but the highest potes. So when it was the 1481 01:12:04,372 --> 01:12:07,932 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen that Nestill got, they are the only ones 1482 01:12:07,973 --> 01:12:12,173 Speaker 2: that can form a coalition with other smaller parties otherwise 1483 01:12:12,612 --> 01:12:14,532 Speaker 2: they have to go to the polls. Is that the system? 1484 01:12:14,572 --> 01:12:17,572 Speaker 2: So you couldn't have the other parties negotiating to form 1485 01:12:17,612 --> 01:12:19,452 Speaker 2: a government, a minority government if you know what I'm. 1486 01:12:19,333 --> 01:12:22,692 Speaker 19: Saying, Yes, good, But because the problem was, as you 1487 01:12:22,732 --> 01:12:25,253 Speaker 19: pointed out, behind the scenes, I could say don't do 1488 01:12:25,333 --> 01:12:28,773 Speaker 19: the deal, we'll do later on. So instead of negotiation 1489 01:12:28,933 --> 01:12:32,173 Speaker 19: running in parallel, you had subversive negotiation going in the 1490 01:12:32,213 --> 01:12:34,532 Speaker 19: from behind the scenes. So I think, really, if you're 1491 01:12:34,532 --> 01:12:36,253 Speaker 19: going to do that, you've got to and say it's 1492 01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:38,812 Speaker 19: this or nothing. And I think that would then also 1493 01:12:38,853 --> 01:12:41,732 Speaker 19: put a hell on the other minor parties to say, 1494 01:12:41,812 --> 01:12:43,492 Speaker 19: right now we need to sit up because we could 1495 01:12:43,572 --> 01:12:46,213 Speaker 19: lose this opportunity to form government. Because I think in 1496 01:12:46,253 --> 01:12:48,372 Speaker 19: the end the electric might look a little bit darker 1497 01:12:48,612 --> 01:12:50,893 Speaker 19: on the minor parties for that, agreeing to goalst and 1498 01:12:51,053 --> 01:12:53,333 Speaker 19: understanding they are a bit player in the scheme of 1499 01:12:53,412 --> 01:12:56,413 Speaker 19: things and they could get punished at the polls, not 1500 01:12:56,133 --> 01:12:58,452 Speaker 19: to not to mention they take a hell of a 1501 01:12:58,452 --> 01:13:01,053 Speaker 19: lot of resources to coach the poles again and I 1502 01:13:01,093 --> 01:13:03,093 Speaker 19: think they would struggle to master be it, but they 1503 01:13:03,173 --> 01:13:06,173 Speaker 19: had the first time round time. And that's an idea there. 1504 01:13:07,612 --> 01:13:12,053 Speaker 19: The yellowy with coming on to wisdom feels it's very 1505 01:13:12,133 --> 01:13:14,013 Speaker 19: unlike in the generator or a party had as we 1506 01:13:14,093 --> 01:13:16,452 Speaker 19: know many cases in the past, you'd sit there and 1507 01:13:16,492 --> 01:13:18,612 Speaker 19: play both sides of the fence all the way out 1508 01:13:18,652 --> 01:13:21,213 Speaker 19: to the election. My biggest question is, and I have 1509 01:13:21,333 --> 01:13:23,612 Speaker 19: to confess. This is the first time I've ever wrote 1510 01:13:23,612 --> 01:13:27,133 Speaker 19: it for New Zealand first this time out. I don't 1511 01:13:27,173 --> 01:13:30,253 Speaker 19: know whether the party can supplyve beyond Winston. And that's 1512 01:13:30,293 --> 01:13:33,652 Speaker 19: the question because yes, he's still pretty handy. He's not 1513 01:13:33,772 --> 01:13:36,213 Speaker 19: quite as herodite as he used to be, but he's 1514 01:13:36,253 --> 01:13:38,972 Speaker 19: still a force. But I don't know what shape he's 1515 01:13:39,013 --> 01:13:41,093 Speaker 19: going to be income the next election. He might say, well, 1516 01:13:41,093 --> 01:13:43,732 Speaker 19: I'll be five, but I don't know what the party 1517 01:13:43,812 --> 01:13:46,772 Speaker 19: has after him. And that's the biggest plen that I have. 1518 01:13:49,612 --> 01:13:52,772 Speaker 2: Lady, thanks for sharing, Laton, thanks for sharing those thoughts. Yeah, 1519 01:13:52,812 --> 01:13:55,572 Speaker 2: that's that's an interesting idea that you have to negotiate 1520 01:13:55,612 --> 01:13:56,612 Speaker 2: with the majority party. 1521 01:13:56,732 --> 01:13:58,452 Speaker 3: I love it, and that's how it should have been, 1522 01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:01,053 Speaker 3: because that is a fair way to do it. That 1523 01:14:01,253 --> 01:14:04,412 Speaker 3: In that instance, the twenty seventeen bill English and National 1524 01:14:04,452 --> 01:14:07,812 Speaker 3: had forty four percent. Then Winston came along and said, 1525 01:14:08,173 --> 01:14:09,732 Speaker 3: we might help you out, but you've got to give 1526 01:14:09,812 --> 01:14:11,732 Speaker 3: us a really really good dear or us will go 1527 01:14:11,772 --> 01:14:13,652 Speaker 3: the other side. And that's exactly what they did. So 1528 01:14:13,772 --> 01:14:16,293 Speaker 3: rather than the tail wagging the dog, it's in that 1529 01:14:16,372 --> 01:14:18,732 Speaker 3: case National saying okay, if you think you can do 1530 01:14:18,772 --> 01:14:20,892 Speaker 3: it again, let's go back to the polls and that 1531 01:14:20,973 --> 01:14:24,452 Speaker 3: would have those minor parties cow towing very quick and 1532 01:14:24,492 --> 01:14:26,293 Speaker 3: that's the way it should be. But just my thoughts. 1533 01:14:26,772 --> 01:14:29,053 Speaker 3: I one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 1534 01:14:29,213 --> 01:14:31,213 Speaker 3: We will play some messages and come back with more 1535 01:14:31,213 --> 01:14:31,772 Speaker 3: of your thoughts. 1536 01:14:31,812 --> 01:14:36,572 Speaker 1: It's nine to three, the issues that affect you and 1537 01:14:36,732 --> 01:14:39,213 Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heathen, Tyler 1538 01:14:39,253 --> 01:14:42,213 Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News TALKSB. 1539 01:14:43,452 --> 01:14:45,972 Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is seven to three. 1540 01:14:46,933 --> 01:14:49,612 Speaker 2: Before I was saying asking the question which Deputy Prime 1541 01:14:49,612 --> 01:14:52,732 Speaker 2: minister called Winston Peters the blowfly of New Zealand politics, 1542 01:14:52,732 --> 01:14:56,932 Speaker 2: and it was Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen, And I 1543 01:14:56,973 --> 01:14:59,293 Speaker 2: thought at the time there must have been a response 1544 01:14:59,333 --> 01:15:01,692 Speaker 2: and someone sticks through that. Winston's response was to call 1545 01:15:01,853 --> 01:15:03,532 Speaker 2: Cullen the maggot of New Zealand. Palin. 1546 01:15:04,532 --> 01:15:07,852 Speaker 3: That is very good from Winston. Ide hundred eighty ten 1547 01:15:07,853 --> 01:15:10,972 Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Karam Have I said 1548 01:15:11,013 --> 01:15:11,333 Speaker 3: that right? 1549 01:15:12,572 --> 01:15:13,612 Speaker 26: Yes, that's right. 1550 01:15:13,692 --> 01:15:15,492 Speaker 3: High nice to check. What's your tay? 1551 01:15:16,973 --> 01:15:17,173 Speaker 16: Yeah. 1552 01:15:17,173 --> 01:15:20,333 Speaker 26: I think I think it's quite wise of Winston Peters 1553 01:15:20,372 --> 01:15:23,813 Speaker 26: to rule out Chrisipkins, because no disrespect to Chris Hopkins. 1554 01:15:24,973 --> 01:15:28,812 Speaker 26: I mean, obviously Chris Hopkins was I think kind of 1555 01:15:28,893 --> 01:15:33,133 Speaker 26: mister fix it from the previous Labor government, you know, 1556 01:15:33,213 --> 01:15:38,972 Speaker 26: before he became the prime minister. But I just doubt 1557 01:15:39,173 --> 01:15:42,293 Speaker 26: that Chris Hopkins will be the leader of Labor Party, 1558 01:15:42,532 --> 01:15:43,493 Speaker 26: you know, before. 1559 01:15:43,213 --> 01:15:44,052 Speaker 5: The next election. 1560 01:15:45,772 --> 01:15:49,732 Speaker 26: So it's quite smart unless Labor knows that, you know, 1561 01:15:49,853 --> 01:15:52,013 Speaker 26: they're probably not gonna win the election. They might just 1562 01:15:52,933 --> 01:15:55,093 Speaker 26: it's a bit like you know, bel English coming back 1563 01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:57,652 Speaker 26: to the second time, or Judith Collins was, you know, 1564 01:15:58,213 --> 01:16:00,213 Speaker 26: you know what I mean, like they they put these 1565 01:16:00,253 --> 01:16:03,732 Speaker 26: people as placeholders and they're just like they're waiting in 1566 01:16:03,772 --> 01:16:06,133 Speaker 26: the waiting room and just going okay, you know, and. 1567 01:16:06,213 --> 01:16:09,813 Speaker 3: They're to save the furniture. Yeah, I mean they are. 1568 01:16:09,933 --> 01:16:12,572 Speaker 3: I mean that arguably that's what Chris Hipkins may be, 1569 01:16:12,812 --> 01:16:16,532 Speaker 3: is that he's there until the election, then they lose 1570 01:16:16,612 --> 01:16:18,412 Speaker 3: and he gets burned off and someone else comes through 1571 01:16:18,452 --> 01:16:19,692 Speaker 3: the ranks, That's what you'll say. 1572 01:16:19,973 --> 01:16:24,213 Speaker 26: But there is an exception. I think the exception of 1573 01:16:24,333 --> 01:16:28,612 Speaker 26: recent history has revealed that, you know, people like Trump 1574 01:16:28,652 --> 01:16:30,652 Speaker 26: can get back, and so I don't know if Chris 1575 01:16:30,692 --> 01:16:34,333 Speaker 26: Hoippkins is hoping for a one term national government just 1576 01:16:34,412 --> 01:16:38,412 Speaker 26: like a one term, you know, Democrat Joe Biden government 1577 01:16:38,492 --> 01:16:42,052 Speaker 26: and where Trump comes back in and maybe Chris Hopkins 1578 01:16:42,053 --> 01:16:43,572 Speaker 26: would like to be the next Trump. 1579 01:16:45,853 --> 01:16:49,572 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe never say never anything. 1580 01:16:50,053 --> 01:16:54,093 Speaker 2: They've got similar color here, Yeah, they've got them from 1581 01:16:54,532 --> 01:16:56,932 Speaker 2: in the Bill English era. There were so many great talents, 1582 01:16:56,973 --> 01:17:00,293 Speaker 2: Simon Bridges, Stephen Joyce, Amy Adams, Putty. The English didn't 1583 01:17:00,333 --> 01:17:02,652 Speaker 2: have the chance that year, even though they got the 1584 01:17:02,692 --> 01:17:05,213 Speaker 2: minority of votes. Yeah. I mean you've got to say 1585 01:17:05,253 --> 01:17:08,652 Speaker 2: they were pretty pretty strong. A lot of talent that 1586 01:17:08,732 --> 01:17:10,132 Speaker 2: disappeared from that that government. 1587 01:17:10,293 --> 01:17:10,492 Speaker 16: Yeah. 1588 01:17:10,812 --> 01:17:13,652 Speaker 2: Bill English was a pretty solid gent wasn't he Certainly 1589 01:17:13,732 --> 01:17:16,573 Speaker 2: Stephen Joyce fantastic on the infrastructure. 1590 01:17:16,612 --> 01:17:19,093 Speaker 3: And when you look at forty four percent of the vote, 1591 01:17:19,133 --> 01:17:21,173 Speaker 3: I think that's you know where the question started to 1592 01:17:21,173 --> 01:17:24,492 Speaker 3: come in about MMP, is that any party would kill 1593 01:17:24,612 --> 01:17:26,093 Speaker 3: for forty four percent of the vote. 1594 01:17:26,133 --> 01:17:26,333 Speaker 23: Now. 1595 01:17:26,532 --> 01:17:29,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean that is history, now, isn't it 1596 01:17:29,372 --> 01:17:30,532 Speaker 3: funny we could change time? 1597 01:17:30,652 --> 01:17:32,532 Speaker 2: Well, I've got to say, you know, whether you rule 1598 01:17:32,572 --> 01:17:36,133 Speaker 2: people in or out with MMP, maybe politically wise or not. 1599 01:17:36,213 --> 01:17:38,133 Speaker 2: But if you're going to slag someone off, there is 1600 01:17:38,452 --> 01:17:40,932 Speaker 2: an integrity issue if you won't rule them out. 1601 01:17:41,053 --> 01:17:43,772 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Hey, that was a great discussion. Thank you 1602 01:17:43,933 --> 01:17:46,133 Speaker 3: very much to everyone who phoned up and text on 1603 01:17:46,173 --> 01:17:48,852 Speaker 3: that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Let's have a 1604 01:17:48,933 --> 01:17:52,853 Speaker 3: chat about recycling. It appears it is not working anymore, 1605 01:17:53,253 --> 01:17:55,093 Speaker 3: but what do you say? Oh, eight hundred and eighty 1606 01:17:55,093 --> 01:17:56,972 Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call if you want 1607 01:17:56,973 --> 01:17:58,852 Speaker 3: to send a texture more than Welcome nine to ninety 1608 01:17:58,853 --> 01:18:01,253 Speaker 3: two New Sport and whether on its way. You're listening 1609 01:18:01,293 --> 01:18:03,452 Speaker 3: to mattin Tyler. Very very good afternoon to. 1610 01:18:03,452 --> 01:18:16,532 Speaker 1: You your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's 1611 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:20,412 Speaker 1: Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk. 1612 01:18:20,492 --> 01:18:24,652 Speaker 3: Sebby, very good afternoons. Welcome back into the show, seven 1613 01:18:24,732 --> 01:18:27,133 Speaker 3: past three, and thank you again for the last couple 1614 01:18:27,133 --> 01:18:29,053 Speaker 3: of hours. Really enjoyed that chat. But we're going to 1615 01:18:29,173 --> 01:18:32,093 Speaker 3: change it up over the next fifteen minutes or so. 1616 01:18:32,412 --> 01:18:35,532 Speaker 3: We do want to talk about recycling. So the story 1617 01:18:35,532 --> 01:18:39,732 Speaker 3: out today about recycling being in absolute shambles in the 1618 01:18:39,772 --> 01:18:42,772 Speaker 3: farn The year's worth of plastic waste, once collected for 1619 01:18:42,853 --> 01:18:46,333 Speaker 3: recycling may now end up in landfall. So the Far 1620 01:18:46,412 --> 01:18:48,812 Speaker 3: North District Council ran out of space for the one 1621 01:18:48,893 --> 01:18:52,973 Speaker 3: hundred and ninety ton stockpile, which grew after markets for 1622 01:18:53,213 --> 01:18:57,173 Speaker 3: type one plastics started to fade around three years ago 1623 01:18:57,293 --> 01:19:00,933 Speaker 3: and has not recovered. So in a recent meeting, the 1624 01:19:00,933 --> 01:19:04,173 Speaker 3: Far North District Council moved to approved the landfilling of 1625 01:19:04,492 --> 01:19:08,093 Speaker 3: the so called recyclable material at an estimated cost of 1626 01:19:08,372 --> 01:19:12,333 Speaker 3: forty five thousand dollars. Now. One of the interviews on 1627 01:19:12,372 --> 01:19:14,452 Speaker 3: with Mike cosk in this morning, her name was Sue 1628 01:19:14,532 --> 01:19:18,612 Speaker 3: Coots and she's Zero Waste Network New Zealand CEO on 1629 01:19:18,652 --> 01:19:22,293 Speaker 3: this particular debacle, and here's what she said when talking 1630 01:19:22,333 --> 01:19:25,293 Speaker 3: about the Chinese market saying no to this type of plastic. 1631 01:19:25,572 --> 01:19:27,692 Speaker 27: They did their best to recycle it, but people started 1632 01:19:27,732 --> 01:19:29,772 Speaker 27: sending them such a lot of mad stuff, you know, 1633 01:19:29,853 --> 01:19:33,333 Speaker 27: recycling everything that we wanted to throw into our recycling bins, 1634 01:19:33,692 --> 01:19:35,612 Speaker 27: sending it off to China, hoping that they'll be able 1635 01:19:35,652 --> 01:19:38,133 Speaker 27: to sort our problems out. And I think what we 1636 01:19:38,173 --> 01:19:40,852 Speaker 27: can take from what's happened in Northland is it's no 1637 01:19:40,973 --> 01:19:43,133 Speaker 27: surprise that the colored soft drink bottles are not going 1638 01:19:43,173 --> 01:19:45,572 Speaker 27: to get recycled, like we've known that for about ten years. 1639 01:19:46,013 --> 01:19:48,692 Speaker 27: I think what's really surprising to me is that producers 1640 01:19:48,692 --> 01:19:50,652 Speaker 27: are still choosing to sell us strengths and bottles that 1641 01:19:50,692 --> 01:19:52,293 Speaker 27: aren't recyclable exactly. 1642 01:19:52,333 --> 01:19:54,572 Speaker 13: And when we talk about the Northland District Council, I'm 1643 01:19:54,612 --> 01:19:56,452 Speaker 13: assuming it's all over the country. 1644 01:19:56,173 --> 01:19:58,572 Speaker 27: Every council, every rat player has an issue with recycling. 1645 01:19:58,572 --> 01:20:00,293 Speaker 27: And I think that's one reason why we really need 1646 01:20:00,293 --> 01:20:01,532 Speaker 27: to come up with a bit of a bad way 1647 01:20:01,572 --> 01:20:04,133 Speaker 27: of doing it, like what Well, basically there's plenty of 1648 01:20:04,173 --> 01:20:06,452 Speaker 27: good ideas out there, you know. The reason New Zealand's 1649 01:20:06,452 --> 01:20:08,652 Speaker 27: got a big rubbish problem at the moment, we just 1650 01:20:08,732 --> 01:20:10,732 Speaker 27: haven't done any of them in the last twenty years. 1651 01:20:10,853 --> 01:20:13,372 Speaker 27: If you think of people who put the packaging on 1652 01:20:13,412 --> 01:20:15,452 Speaker 27: the market, they're the ones who decide what kinds of 1653 01:20:15,492 --> 01:20:17,973 Speaker 27: packaging they use, are the ones who have the ability 1654 01:20:18,053 --> 01:20:23,612 Speaker 27: to choose types that are readily recyclable. If if you 1655 01:20:23,612 --> 01:20:26,692 Speaker 27: look around the world, extended producer responsibility is the whey 1656 01:20:26,772 --> 01:20:29,772 Speaker 27: all our countries are going that we like to compare 1657 01:20:29,772 --> 01:20:32,093 Speaker 27: ourselves to. If we get this law in place, give 1658 01:20:32,173 --> 01:20:34,452 Speaker 27: us a chance to put something like and contain a 1659 01:20:34,532 --> 01:20:37,372 Speaker 27: return scheme in place which would see us with really 1660 01:20:37,412 --> 01:20:40,732 Speaker 27: great outcomes for all the bottles and cans, and then 1661 01:20:40,772 --> 01:20:43,093 Speaker 27: it could also set us up for things like textiles 1662 01:20:43,173 --> 01:20:45,452 Speaker 27: and e waste and other things that we want to 1663 01:20:45,452 --> 01:20:47,372 Speaker 27: see better recycling systems for as well. 1664 01:20:47,492 --> 01:20:50,133 Speaker 13: In reality, if it's inconvenient, we won't do it. 1665 01:20:50,253 --> 01:20:52,972 Speaker 27: Now, the majority of people, even though they don't feel 1666 01:20:52,973 --> 01:20:55,772 Speaker 27: one hundred percent confident that there's good outcomes from recycling, 1667 01:20:55,772 --> 01:20:57,293 Speaker 27: they're rarely committed to carrying on. 1668 01:20:58,572 --> 01:21:01,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if we're not seeing these good outcomes, there's 1669 01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:03,973 Speaker 2: a lot of effort being put into recycling and use 1670 01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:06,772 Speaker 2: end and the individually. As we've talked about before Tyler 1671 01:21:06,853 --> 01:21:09,333 Speaker 2: on the show, you putting your cycling through the dishwashing 1672 01:21:10,293 --> 01:21:14,052 Speaker 2: pastics and a lot of it's just ending up in landfill. 1673 01:21:14,173 --> 01:21:16,372 Speaker 2: Is it just a lot of work, a lot of 1674 01:21:16,492 --> 01:21:20,732 Speaker 2: energy with the collection and the contamination of materials. I mean, 1675 01:21:20,772 --> 01:21:22,852 Speaker 2: you know they can go around and collect a whole 1676 01:21:22,853 --> 01:21:24,972 Speaker 2: lot of the blue bins in Auckland and then there's 1677 01:21:25,013 --> 01:21:27,732 Speaker 2: just some contamination in there and as a result, that 1678 01:21:27,812 --> 01:21:30,293 Speaker 2: whole truck is worthless. Then you've got all the fossil 1679 01:21:30,333 --> 01:21:32,732 Speaker 2: fuels of driving that truck around, you've got the low 1680 01:21:32,772 --> 01:21:36,173 Speaker 2: market value that she was talking about, you've got the 1681 01:21:36,253 --> 01:21:40,772 Speaker 2: high energy use in any kind of recycling. You've got 1682 01:21:40,772 --> 01:21:44,773 Speaker 2: insufficient infrastructure to actually deal with the whole situation. Sometimes 1683 01:21:44,973 --> 01:21:48,933 Speaker 2: we're exporting the waste, it just seems and then I 1684 01:21:48,973 --> 01:21:50,892 Speaker 2: mean there's a whole thing just green washing, so everyone 1685 01:21:50,933 --> 01:21:54,052 Speaker 2: feels like they're doing something when we're not really doing anything. 1686 01:21:54,253 --> 01:21:59,452 Speaker 2: And as the perception of recycling worth or the hassle 1687 01:21:59,572 --> 01:22:01,173 Speaker 2: or do we just need to, as she says, get 1688 01:22:01,173 --> 01:22:04,692 Speaker 2: absolutely real and admit and have some absolutely cold hard 1689 01:22:04,812 --> 01:22:09,812 Speaker 2: figures on the good and bad of recycling and just 1690 01:22:09,853 --> 01:22:13,812 Speaker 2: make a decision whether it's worth it and potentially just 1691 01:22:13,893 --> 01:22:16,053 Speaker 2: go back to just throwing everything out if it's going 1692 01:22:16,093 --> 01:22:17,652 Speaker 2: to end up mainly in landfill anyway. 1693 01:22:17,772 --> 01:22:20,333 Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighties another to call nice, 1694 01:22:20,372 --> 01:22:22,412 Speaker 3: he said, I mean, clearly it's not working. Right, is 1695 01:22:22,452 --> 01:22:24,812 Speaker 3: that we had all this pilava with different councils doing 1696 01:22:24,853 --> 01:22:27,572 Speaker 3: different things. Some took lid, some didn't take lids. Some 1697 01:22:27,772 --> 01:22:30,732 Speaker 3: liked soft drink bottles, some didn't. Now the Far North 1698 01:22:30,732 --> 01:22:34,212 Speaker 3: district councils having to chuck one hundred and ninety tons 1699 01:22:34,572 --> 01:22:37,893 Speaker 3: of plastic into landfall because nobody will take it. Is 1700 01:22:37,933 --> 01:22:40,892 Speaker 3: it not working? But to your point, I still do it. 1701 01:22:40,933 --> 01:22:44,012 Speaker 3: I still put my soft drink bottle in my yellow 1702 01:22:44,053 --> 01:22:46,333 Speaker 3: band and knowing full well it's probably going to end 1703 01:22:46,412 --> 01:22:48,652 Speaker 3: up in landfall, but I feel good doing it. 1704 01:22:49,013 --> 01:22:53,932 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're saying the perception of doing something that 1705 01:22:53,973 --> 01:22:56,333 Speaker 2: you think is virtuous is enough for you. 1706 01:22:56,732 --> 01:22:59,412 Speaker 3: On the off chance, even if it's one percent chance 1707 01:22:59,492 --> 01:23:01,892 Speaker 3: that that WEE Soft drink bottle is going to end 1708 01:23:01,933 --> 01:23:03,572 Speaker 3: up in China and they're going to recycle it and 1709 01:23:03,572 --> 01:23:06,093 Speaker 3: turn it into another bottle one percent chance, that's good 1710 01:23:06,213 --> 01:23:07,333 Speaker 3: enough for me to keep trying. 1711 01:23:07,412 --> 01:23:11,173 Speaker 2: But what if what if it's using more resources to 1712 01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:13,492 Speaker 2: recycle than it is saving, why. 1713 01:23:13,333 --> 01:23:16,732 Speaker 3: Would want that to happen? Well, you know dishwasher. 1714 01:23:16,893 --> 01:23:18,293 Speaker 2: So yeah, So by the time you've run it through 1715 01:23:18,333 --> 01:23:20,812 Speaker 2: the dishwasher, a trucks picked it up, they've moved it. 1716 01:23:20,812 --> 01:23:22,652 Speaker 2: A certain percent of it's been throwing out. You have 1717 01:23:22,692 --> 01:23:25,892 Speaker 2: to factor and contamination in the trucks and how few 1718 01:23:25,933 --> 01:23:28,053 Speaker 2: go there. You've got this text of saying I live 1719 01:23:28,492 --> 01:23:30,452 Speaker 2: near a dump. I can see the dank, and all 1720 01:23:30,532 --> 01:23:34,053 Speaker 2: day I see recycling trucks just dumping the rubbish into 1721 01:23:34,213 --> 01:23:37,732 Speaker 2: the refless trenfit center. So all that put in, you 1722 01:23:37,772 --> 01:23:41,572 Speaker 2: would still just on the off chance, or wouldn't you 1723 01:23:41,612 --> 01:23:43,492 Speaker 2: want to Okay, wouldn't you prefer to know the cold, 1724 01:23:43,532 --> 01:23:47,412 Speaker 2: hard facts and just everyone was completely honest about it, 1725 01:23:47,452 --> 01:23:49,372 Speaker 2: and we knew whether it was doing anything good or 1726 01:23:49,412 --> 01:23:52,132 Speaker 2: bad or not. And if it's if it's, if it's close, 1727 01:23:52,812 --> 01:23:54,852 Speaker 2: then maybe we need to ask the effort that people 1728 01:23:54,893 --> 01:23:56,492 Speaker 2: are putting into it at the time, they're taking out 1729 01:23:56,492 --> 01:23:58,852 Speaker 2: of their life to do the recycling, the energy that's 1730 01:23:58,893 --> 01:24:01,973 Speaker 2: been expended, the productivity that's been lowered in day to 1731 01:24:02,013 --> 01:24:05,892 Speaker 2: day life from people trying to recycle. Let's just we 1732 01:24:05,973 --> 01:24:07,532 Speaker 2: just cut through the bs and find out if it's 1733 01:24:07,532 --> 01:24:08,772 Speaker 2: actually doing anything or not. 1734 01:24:09,013 --> 01:24:11,012 Speaker 3: That is exactly what I want, And that's a fair point. 1735 01:24:11,053 --> 01:24:13,452 Speaker 3: I've been a bit facetious, But forget about the plastic, 1736 01:24:13,492 --> 01:24:17,932 Speaker 3: because I still genuinely think glass is worthwhile recycling. I 1737 01:24:17,973 --> 01:24:18,892 Speaker 3: think that is. 1738 01:24:19,133 --> 01:24:21,173 Speaker 2: Well, let's find out exactly what they can recycle on. 1739 01:24:21,173 --> 01:24:23,333 Speaker 2: If it's only glasses, and it's only glass, then let's 1740 01:24:23,372 --> 01:24:26,133 Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, Okay, Okay, let's find out. Let's just 1741 01:24:26,213 --> 01:24:29,372 Speaker 2: find out the absolute facts of it. Otherwise we're just 1742 01:24:29,452 --> 01:24:31,812 Speaker 2: running around patting ourselves on the back and doing absolutely 1743 01:24:31,893 --> 01:24:32,492 Speaker 2: nothing right. 1744 01:24:32,532 --> 01:24:35,932 Speaker 3: So two questions here. One is recycling just a joke 1745 01:24:35,973 --> 01:24:37,652 Speaker 3: and it hasn't worked, and it's not working and we've 1746 01:24:37,652 --> 01:24:39,333 Speaker 3: got to figure out something gase And if you're in 1747 01:24:39,333 --> 01:24:42,812 Speaker 3: the recycling game, tell us please, we just need some 1748 01:24:42,893 --> 01:24:43,732 Speaker 3: mythbusting here. 1749 01:24:43,812 --> 01:24:45,692 Speaker 2: Yeah, because wherever you look it up, you can't cut 1750 01:24:45,732 --> 01:24:49,532 Speaker 2: through the rubbish. Hey, well done to get to the 1751 01:24:49,532 --> 01:24:52,253 Speaker 2: facts on recycling, because everyone seems to have any gender 1752 01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:55,772 Speaker 2: on it. And is it actually as was suggested before, 1753 01:24:56,093 --> 01:24:59,173 Speaker 2: the responsibility of the people that are manufacturing these plastics, 1754 01:24:59,173 --> 01:25:01,853 Speaker 2: for example, to make plastics that can actually be recycled. 1755 01:25:01,933 --> 01:25:02,732 Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. 1756 01:25:03,093 --> 01:25:06,053 Speaker 2: Why is us consumers that are taking the hit on 1757 01:25:06,093 --> 01:25:08,973 Speaker 2: all this and having to separate stuff that then just 1758 01:25:09,093 --> 01:25:11,372 Speaker 2: ends up in land refill anyway. 1759 01:25:11,173 --> 01:25:13,052 Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 1760 01:25:13,053 --> 01:25:17,572 Speaker 3: to call. It's fourteen past three, good afternoon. So we're 1761 01:25:17,572 --> 01:25:20,892 Speaker 3: talking about recycling. The Far North District Council is having 1762 01:25:20,893 --> 01:25:23,173 Speaker 3: to accept they may have to land for one hundred 1763 01:25:23,173 --> 01:25:26,133 Speaker 3: and ninety tons of what they thought might have been 1764 01:25:26,173 --> 01:25:29,732 Speaker 3: recyclable plastic and it wasn't. Really this was plastic and 1765 01:25:29,772 --> 01:25:34,172 Speaker 3: it's called type one pet but it is soft drink bottles. 1766 01:25:34,213 --> 01:25:36,892 Speaker 3: It is that harder plastic that peanut butter sometimes comes 1767 01:25:36,893 --> 01:25:39,572 Speaker 3: in that was being sent off shorter places like China, right, 1768 01:25:39,572 --> 01:25:42,252 Speaker 3: because China said we can take it and we'll recycle it. 1769 01:25:42,333 --> 01:25:45,372 Speaker 3: And it was about a year ago they said no more, 1770 01:25:45,372 --> 01:25:47,892 Speaker 3: we're not going to take it because it's not worth 1771 01:25:47,933 --> 01:25:49,293 Speaker 3: while for us to recycle it. 1772 01:25:49,412 --> 01:25:51,412 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were shipping a lot of stuff over 1773 01:25:51,452 --> 01:25:52,973 Speaker 2: there and they'll just pick it through the rest of 1774 01:25:53,013 --> 01:25:54,932 Speaker 2: it in the rubbish anyway. So it's been picked up, 1775 01:25:55,293 --> 01:25:57,892 Speaker 2: it's been driven around, you've used your dishwasher on it, 1776 01:25:57,893 --> 01:26:00,013 Speaker 2: it's been half of it's ended up in landfill, some 1777 01:26:00,053 --> 01:26:02,612 Speaker 2: of it's ended up in a ship, mostly gets thrown out. 1778 01:26:02,612 --> 01:26:03,572 Speaker 2: Now they don't want any of it. 1779 01:26:03,572 --> 01:26:06,652 Speaker 3: It's a lot of killer what man hours, isn't it recycling? 1780 01:26:06,652 --> 01:26:11,573 Speaker 2: As the sexus seed is running around put them patting recycler. 1781 01:26:12,053 --> 01:26:14,492 Speaker 2: Recycler is running around patting themselves on the back, thinking 1782 01:26:14,532 --> 01:26:16,572 Speaker 2: they've done well and saving the planet, just like every 1783 01:26:16,612 --> 01:26:19,532 Speaker 2: ev driver. Well I think some people drive evgs VI's 1784 01:26:19,612 --> 01:26:21,572 Speaker 2: not to save the planet, but just because they're pretty cool. 1785 01:26:21,772 --> 01:26:23,892 Speaker 3: Yeah and fast. The talks instant. 1786 01:26:25,652 --> 01:26:29,093 Speaker 2: Peter, welcome to the show. Thanks for calling eight hundred 1787 01:26:29,093 --> 01:26:31,733 Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty your thoughts. 1788 01:26:31,973 --> 01:26:37,012 Speaker 5: Yes, well, we were very particular about sorting our rubbish 1789 01:26:37,253 --> 01:26:41,213 Speaker 5: and I took a trailer load of rubbish and or 1790 01:26:41,692 --> 01:26:47,812 Speaker 5: set up on its individual containers to be recycled. When 1791 01:26:47,853 --> 01:26:52,253 Speaker 5: we got there, they said, sorry, we're full up, we 1792 01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:56,572 Speaker 5: can't take any more, so go and dump it in 1793 01:26:56,612 --> 01:27:00,333 Speaker 5: the general rubbish which is still in the same general area. 1794 01:27:00,893 --> 01:27:10,293 Speaker 5: But then they charged me for it. Yeah, recycling for free. 1795 01:27:10,452 --> 01:27:13,173 Speaker 3: What landfall was that it, Peter, you don't have to say, 1796 01:27:13,213 --> 01:27:14,133 Speaker 3: but it can help. 1797 01:27:15,253 --> 01:27:18,572 Speaker 5: Well, it was hockey Coe Recycling Center. 1798 01:27:18,372 --> 01:27:21,213 Speaker 3: Right, So that was effectively they were omitting defeat to 1799 01:27:21,293 --> 01:27:23,612 Speaker 3: you that we're not going to be able to recycle 1800 01:27:23,652 --> 01:27:25,612 Speaker 3: this straight up seema as well, just dump it in 1801 01:27:25,692 --> 01:27:26,532 Speaker 3: the in the landfill. 1802 01:27:27,893 --> 01:27:28,333 Speaker 23: Correct. 1803 01:27:28,973 --> 01:27:33,253 Speaker 5: And I know because I'm in business that a lot 1804 01:27:33,293 --> 01:27:40,652 Speaker 5: of things that look green aren't green really because for 1805 01:27:40,812 --> 01:27:46,333 Speaker 5: some things and recycling, the chemical you used to reconstitute 1806 01:27:46,372 --> 01:27:55,372 Speaker 5: it is worse for the environment than just burying it. Yeah, 1807 01:27:55,572 --> 01:28:01,213 Speaker 5: there's just so many things we are not told you 1808 01:28:01,412 --> 01:28:04,892 Speaker 5: we're made to do things to keep the country green, 1809 01:28:04,973 --> 01:28:07,772 Speaker 5: when actually a lot of those things aren't very green 1810 01:28:07,812 --> 01:28:08,213 Speaker 5: at all. 1811 01:28:08,452 --> 01:28:08,612 Speaker 8: Yeah. 1812 01:28:08,612 --> 01:28:12,133 Speaker 2: Well, I mean just the energy, Peter, to run a 1813 01:28:12,213 --> 01:28:14,652 Speaker 2: recycling plant, you've got a factor all that, and you've 1814 01:28:14,652 --> 01:28:17,452 Speaker 2: got a factor in the truck picking it up, You've 1815 01:28:17,452 --> 01:28:21,293 Speaker 2: got a factor the energy spent by people investing in it, 1816 01:28:21,532 --> 01:28:24,852 Speaker 2: you've got the energy to recycle it. How much get 1817 01:28:24,853 --> 01:28:26,452 Speaker 2: There's so many things that you have to factor in 1818 01:28:26,532 --> 01:28:29,412 Speaker 2: before you can say that this one thing recycled from 1819 01:28:29,532 --> 01:28:32,133 Speaker 2: that is better than that one thing just being thrown out. 1820 01:28:32,372 --> 01:28:33,892 Speaker 2: And I don't think we ever hear that. We never 1821 01:28:33,933 --> 01:28:36,412 Speaker 2: hear the exact equation of how much like if you 1822 01:28:36,492 --> 01:28:39,812 Speaker 2: take one plastic bottle from where it is to being recycled, 1823 01:28:39,853 --> 01:28:41,732 Speaker 2: when you consider all the waste just gets thrown out, 1824 01:28:41,772 --> 01:28:44,812 Speaker 2: all the fossil fuels burned and picking it up, all 1825 01:28:44,853 --> 01:28:48,133 Speaker 2: the fossil fuels worked on transporting to China or running 1826 01:28:48,133 --> 01:28:50,333 Speaker 2: the recycling plant. As I say, we need to have 1827 01:28:50,333 --> 01:28:53,292 Speaker 2: that whole equation before you can shame someone for not recycling. 1828 01:28:53,412 --> 01:28:53,812 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1829 01:28:54,973 --> 01:28:59,412 Speaker 5: I think one of the things that's much laughable is 1830 01:29:00,093 --> 01:29:04,372 Speaker 5: how we shut coal coal mines down in New Zealand 1831 01:29:04,372 --> 01:29:07,173 Speaker 5: and then we bring the coal from overseas. 1832 01:29:07,253 --> 01:29:12,053 Speaker 3: Exactly, it's a logic and the purer well a lot 1833 01:29:12,053 --> 01:29:12,932 Speaker 3: of people would agree. 1834 01:29:12,772 --> 01:29:15,133 Speaker 2: On it's the perception. So people do all these things 1835 01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:17,333 Speaker 2: for the perception of feeling like they are doing the 1836 01:29:17,372 --> 01:29:20,333 Speaker 2: right thing. And Tyler thinks that's enough. Tyler thinks if 1837 01:29:20,372 --> 01:29:22,372 Speaker 2: you just feel like it, as this text said, Tyler, 1838 01:29:22,372 --> 01:29:24,213 Speaker 2: when you say you are doing your part, you might 1839 01:29:24,253 --> 01:29:26,172 Speaker 2: think you were helping the enviar. Aren't washing your recycling? 1840 01:29:26,213 --> 01:29:28,173 Speaker 2: Do you think taking into account the water and power 1841 01:29:28,333 --> 01:29:31,293 Speaker 2: used to wash your trash? That's from Henry, I measure it, 1842 01:29:31,333 --> 01:29:34,013 Speaker 2: so don't you have to take everything into account? And 1843 01:29:34,053 --> 01:29:36,773 Speaker 2: I would just like some honest numbers that takes absolutely 1844 01:29:36,853 --> 01:29:41,053 Speaker 2: everything into account. And if we are just working our 1845 01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:44,692 Speaker 2: butts off, separating our recycling and going through all these 1846 01:29:44,732 --> 01:29:47,333 Speaker 2: difficult decisions and stuff and cleaning, and the water we 1847 01:29:47,452 --> 01:29:49,932 Speaker 2: use pouring down the sink to clean this rubbish off, 1848 01:29:49,933 --> 01:29:53,093 Speaker 2: and the stuff that comes off this recycling and goes 1849 01:29:53,133 --> 01:29:55,012 Speaker 2: down the drain, I'd just like to have the equation 1850 01:29:55,093 --> 01:29:57,412 Speaker 2: to know that if we're going to do that, that 1851 01:29:57,532 --> 01:29:58,772 Speaker 2: it actually is doing some good. 1852 01:29:58,933 --> 01:30:00,812 Speaker 3: I agree with that, But when it comes to what 1853 01:30:00,853 --> 01:30:03,053 Speaker 3: we're doing with these places now, surely there's got to 1854 01:30:03,053 --> 01:30:05,093 Speaker 3: be a better way. We've been on the Moon, we've 1855 01:30:05,133 --> 01:30:07,892 Speaker 3: launched rockets, we've got satellites out there, and the only 1856 01:30:07,973 --> 01:30:10,093 Speaker 3: thing we can come up with with our rubbish is 1857 01:30:10,293 --> 01:30:13,092 Speaker 3: bury it in a hole like fricking cave men. Surely 1858 01:30:13,173 --> 01:30:16,052 Speaker 3: we can come up with something to do with there's 1859 01:30:16,053 --> 01:30:17,333 Speaker 3: some better way. 1860 01:30:17,612 --> 01:30:20,892 Speaker 2: Maybe a hole's a good place for rubbish. Maybe maybe 1861 01:30:20,893 --> 01:30:23,652 Speaker 2: if you turn some fossil fuels into plastic and then 1862 01:30:23,692 --> 01:30:25,532 Speaker 2: you bury them in the ground, they're back where they started. 1863 01:30:25,893 --> 01:30:28,253 Speaker 2: In the ground just takes a long, a long long time. 1864 01:30:28,333 --> 01:30:31,972 Speaker 2: Where we don't want them is in the atmosphere floating around, right. 1865 01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:33,612 Speaker 2: Isn't it the whole we don't want to burn them. 1866 01:30:34,333 --> 01:30:35,972 Speaker 2: Isn't the whole idea that we don't want the carbon 1867 01:30:36,213 --> 01:30:39,013 Speaker 2: in our atmosphere? That's a good point. So off it 1868 01:30:39,093 --> 01:30:41,452 Speaker 2: in the ground. It back in the ground where it 1869 01:30:41,492 --> 01:30:41,852 Speaker 2: came from. 1870 01:30:41,973 --> 01:30:43,852 Speaker 3: What do you say, oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, 1871 01:30:43,853 --> 01:30:45,932 Speaker 3: if you're in the game, Love to hear from you. 1872 01:30:45,973 --> 01:30:48,492 Speaker 3: What are the facts we want to do some myth 1873 01:30:48,532 --> 01:30:50,772 Speaker 3: busting here? Is it actually worth it to try and 1874 01:30:50,812 --> 01:30:53,732 Speaker 3: recycle glass? Love to hear from you, oh, eight hundred 1875 01:30:54,173 --> 01:30:55,692 Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. 1876 01:30:55,893 --> 01:30:57,932 Speaker 2: And the species? Please, guys, can you tell people who 1877 01:30:57,973 --> 01:30:59,892 Speaker 2: are in their cars when they ring in to turn 1878 01:30:59,933 --> 01:31:02,293 Speaker 2: off their indicators? Drives me nuts? But if they're if 1879 01:31:02,293 --> 01:31:05,612 Speaker 2: they're turning a corner to if they're going to rig 1880 01:31:05,692 --> 01:31:06,973 Speaker 2: the car and they're tuning the corner. We just have 1881 01:31:07,013 --> 01:31:09,852 Speaker 2: to put up with the indicator otherwise we can't even 1882 01:31:10,492 --> 01:31:13,293 Speaker 2: turning corners about indicating exactly. That's a whole other level 1883 01:31:13,333 --> 01:31:17,812 Speaker 2: of problem apart from me annoying sound eight hundred eighty 1884 01:31:17,812 --> 01:31:19,452 Speaker 2: ten eighty. What do you think about recycling? Should we 1885 01:31:19,452 --> 01:31:25,772 Speaker 2: just give it up? Throw it in the landfill? 1886 01:31:25,812 --> 01:31:29,173 Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Call Oh eight hundred 1887 01:31:29,253 --> 01:31:31,133 Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on News Talk SEDV. 1888 01:31:31,452 --> 01:31:34,053 Speaker 3: Good afternoon. We're talking about recycling or is it all 1889 01:31:34,133 --> 01:31:36,213 Speaker 3: just a big have and we need to think what 1890 01:31:36,333 --> 01:31:38,612 Speaker 3: else we can do. This is after the Far North 1891 01:31:38,652 --> 01:31:41,772 Speaker 3: District Council has decided they may need to land for 1892 01:31:41,812 --> 01:31:45,053 Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety tons of plastic that they thought 1893 01:31:45,173 --> 01:31:48,572 Speaker 3: may be recyclable, but they no longer can get rid 1894 01:31:48,572 --> 01:31:50,612 Speaker 3: of it because China says that it doesn't want it anymore. 1895 01:31:50,612 --> 01:31:52,253 Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighteen eighty is the number. 1896 01:31:52,293 --> 01:31:55,293 Speaker 2: Call Dave, Welcome to the show. Thanks for calling there. 1897 01:31:55,293 --> 01:31:58,652 Speaker 3: You are mate, very good and what's your take about 1898 01:31:58,692 --> 01:31:59,252 Speaker 3: the recycling? 1899 01:32:00,452 --> 01:32:03,492 Speaker 9: Well, it's just nice to be standards across the island 1900 01:32:03,572 --> 01:32:07,012 Speaker 9: is the same thing really, you know, like the same bend, 1901 01:32:07,213 --> 01:32:10,333 Speaker 9: the same way we recycle the whole lot. You know, 1902 01:32:10,333 --> 01:32:13,173 Speaker 9: because I work in the McKenzie country in noids to. 1903 01:32:13,173 --> 01:32:18,333 Speaker 11: Do the recycling and you know people would put glass 1904 01:32:18,333 --> 01:32:21,412 Speaker 11: and the yellow burn when casephone christ is but that's 1905 01:32:21,452 --> 01:32:23,293 Speaker 11: not acceptable on McKinsey roop, you know what I mean? 1906 01:32:23,492 --> 01:32:26,572 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I thought I thought there was some legislation 1907 01:32:26,652 --> 01:32:29,172 Speaker 3: that came through on that day. But but their decide 1908 01:32:29,213 --> 01:32:33,213 Speaker 3: who used to work and recycling and McKenzie did you? 1909 01:32:33,532 --> 01:32:35,213 Speaker 3: So the rules were changing for you all the time, 1910 01:32:35,213 --> 01:32:37,893 Speaker 3: were they or it was just confusing when if you 1911 01:32:37,973 --> 01:32:40,492 Speaker 3: live in Mackenzie then they've got different rules in christ 1912 01:32:40,572 --> 01:32:41,852 Speaker 3: Church and Wellington and Auckland. 1913 01:32:42,772 --> 01:32:45,452 Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, well up the crosses and they're working in 1914 01:32:46,253 --> 01:32:48,532 Speaker 9: whole The glass was such and the yellow always the 1915 01:32:48,572 --> 01:32:51,652 Speaker 9: blowbon So the Monica they have a blow burn and 1916 01:32:51,652 --> 01:32:53,933 Speaker 9: the Mackenzie they have a blue verne and that's just 1917 01:32:54,013 --> 01:32:54,572 Speaker 9: the glass. 1918 01:32:55,973 --> 01:32:56,612 Speaker 6: And then you have. 1919 01:32:57,293 --> 01:33:00,012 Speaker 9: Recycling which is a yellow and then rubbish of course 1920 01:33:00,133 --> 01:33:00,612 Speaker 9: you know what I mean. 1921 01:33:01,732 --> 01:33:04,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is Yeah, it is confusing when 1922 01:33:04,333 --> 01:33:06,173 Speaker 3: you go to different regions. But for you who used 1923 01:33:06,213 --> 01:33:08,173 Speaker 3: to work in the sector, is it still worth it? 1924 01:33:08,213 --> 01:33:09,772 Speaker 3: To recycle some things, do you think. 1925 01:33:09,692 --> 01:33:14,452 Speaker 9: Dave, Oh yeah, what personally is from agadvocates for bringing 1926 01:33:14,492 --> 01:33:17,452 Speaker 9: back the old glass bottles for fizzy drinks and milk 1927 01:33:17,452 --> 01:33:18,093 Speaker 9: bottles of stuff? 1928 01:33:18,173 --> 01:33:20,852 Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, do we need just do we need 1929 01:33:20,893 --> 01:33:23,572 Speaker 2: a list of just what can actually be recycled and 1930 01:33:23,612 --> 01:33:26,972 Speaker 2: work out exactly what is worth doing and what isn't 1931 01:33:27,013 --> 01:33:30,093 Speaker 2: instead of chucking it all together, Because there's some things 1932 01:33:30,093 --> 01:33:32,053 Speaker 2: that might be worth it or might be equal. If 1933 01:33:32,053 --> 01:33:35,012 Speaker 2: it's just equal, then there's no point. But things like bottles, 1934 01:33:35,013 --> 01:33:36,652 Speaker 2: if you can actually smell it, smash it down and 1935 01:33:36,692 --> 01:33:39,812 Speaker 2: making the bottles that that's absolute. That's great. Yeah, But 1936 01:33:39,853 --> 01:33:42,772 Speaker 2: my point is we just don't know the equation of it. 1937 01:33:43,492 --> 01:33:47,293 Speaker 9: So with bottles is sometimes it just gets crass up. 1938 01:33:47,333 --> 01:33:49,333 Speaker 9: Understands we're just still recycling. 1939 01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:49,253 Speaker 5: In a way. 1940 01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:52,812 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I you know, I get the point about plastic. 1941 01:33:52,812 --> 01:33:55,692 Speaker 3: When you've got seventeen different types of plastic, can you 1942 01:33:55,732 --> 01:33:57,692 Speaker 3: get to figure out which one is recyclable or not? 1943 01:33:57,893 --> 01:34:00,213 Speaker 3: And can I recycle the lid on my milk bottle? 1944 01:34:00,253 --> 01:34:02,772 Speaker 3: And is the bottle recyclable? It all just gets too much. 1945 01:34:02,812 --> 01:34:05,532 Speaker 3: Whereas glass nice and easy. We all know what glasses 1946 01:34:05,812 --> 01:34:08,333 Speaker 3: and most of us, I think can understand how class 1947 01:34:08,492 --> 01:34:11,933 Speaker 3: as recycling easy. But again that goes back to a 1948 01:34:12,013 --> 01:34:14,093 Speaker 3: point you raised right at the start of this out, Matt. 1949 01:34:14,372 --> 01:34:16,772 Speaker 3: That's up to the people that make products right to 1950 01:34:16,973 --> 01:34:20,372 Speaker 3: use those materials instead of the instead of the cheapest 1951 01:34:20,372 --> 01:34:23,053 Speaker 3: stuff that is a nightmare to try in and get 1952 01:34:23,093 --> 01:34:23,372 Speaker 3: rid of. 1953 01:34:24,452 --> 01:34:27,213 Speaker 9: Even if you went back to the Olimer say bring 1954 01:34:27,213 --> 01:34:29,133 Speaker 9: your swamp a great wait, we'll give you two. 1955 01:34:31,293 --> 01:34:35,412 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly Now, because individual things say, for example, 1956 01:34:35,452 --> 01:34:38,532 Speaker 2: there was a plant in Auckland. I'm not sure if 1957 01:34:38,532 --> 01:34:39,892 Speaker 2: they're still going, I should look it up, but they 1958 01:34:39,893 --> 01:34:44,053 Speaker 2: were munching up road cones and making road cones out 1959 01:34:44,053 --> 01:34:46,492 Speaker 2: of road cones. So road cones only have a certain 1960 01:34:46,492 --> 01:34:48,892 Speaker 2: amount of lifespan. So that to me seems like great 1961 01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:53,452 Speaker 2: recycling because it's clearly we've got a clear process between 1962 01:34:53,853 --> 01:34:56,692 Speaker 2: the product and the new product. Coming back. You know 1963 01:34:56,732 --> 01:34:59,412 Speaker 2: that these people they click the rubbish road cones, they 1964 01:34:59,412 --> 01:35:01,572 Speaker 2: turn them into fresh road cones. I mean, I don't know. 1965 01:35:02,173 --> 01:35:05,652 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we all want less road cones, 1966 01:35:05,732 --> 01:35:07,813 Speaker 2: but that's for sure. 1967 01:35:07,772 --> 01:35:10,212 Speaker 3: Ye, But if you can recycle them, we've got the mirorway. 1968 01:35:10,213 --> 01:35:12,013 Speaker 2: Hopefully they'll go out of business. And because we'd have 1969 01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:14,333 Speaker 2: no more road cones at all, it will be preferable. 1970 01:35:14,572 --> 01:35:15,933 Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying, it's a like for 1971 01:35:16,093 --> 01:35:19,052 Speaker 2: like situation. Yeah, you know, rather than just shoffing everything 1972 01:35:19,173 --> 01:35:22,853 Speaker 2: into these bins and they go out that things get contaminated, 1973 01:35:23,372 --> 01:35:27,013 Speaker 2: You've got the local collection truck picks it up. You've 1974 01:35:27,013 --> 01:35:28,892 Speaker 2: got the transport, and you've got the sorting at the 1975 01:35:28,933 --> 01:35:31,612 Speaker 2: recycling center. You've got the sorting of the materials out 1976 01:35:31,652 --> 01:35:33,452 Speaker 2: of it. You've got the baling and the shipping up. 1977 01:35:33,492 --> 01:35:38,293 Speaker 2: You've got the reprocessing, the cleaning, shredding, palletizing, the manufacturing 1978 01:35:38,333 --> 01:35:41,052 Speaker 2: of new products. You got this whole there's so many steps. Yeah, 1979 01:35:41,133 --> 01:35:42,692 Speaker 2: we just don't know if it's worth it. 1980 01:35:43,293 --> 01:35:46,333 Speaker 3: Whereas in that instance, you've got an old cone, mesh 1981 01:35:46,372 --> 01:35:48,572 Speaker 3: it up, you get a new cone, nice and easy. 1982 01:35:48,572 --> 01:35:49,492 Speaker 3: We can all understand that. 1983 01:35:49,652 --> 01:35:52,053 Speaker 2: Look, I'm absolutely positive I'm suffering terrible done and k 1984 01:35:52,293 --> 01:35:53,492 Speaker 2: Kruger here talking about this. 1985 01:35:54,053 --> 01:35:57,532 Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're in the industry, oh one hundred 1986 01:35:57,572 --> 01:35:58,812 Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty, we still haven't got to the 1987 01:35:58,853 --> 01:36:01,852 Speaker 3: bottom of it. Dave worked in the sector, and glass 1988 01:36:01,933 --> 01:36:04,372 Speaker 3: is okay. I think according to Dave, these. 1989 01:36:04,253 --> 01:36:07,012 Speaker 2: Great new Zealanders. The road cone recycling is still going. 1990 01:36:07,053 --> 01:36:11,053 Speaker 2: It's pro line sticks limited. But then the government was 1991 01:36:11,133 --> 01:36:14,572 Speaker 2: importing road cones and Auckland Transport was importing road cones 1992 01:36:14,612 --> 01:36:17,492 Speaker 2: from from so that at one hand they're saying that 1993 01:36:17,612 --> 01:36:21,372 Speaker 2: they're all about recycling. It's shame every person that's hard 1994 01:36:21,412 --> 01:36:25,053 Speaker 2: working New Zealand about their recycling. Meanwhile, we've got a 1995 01:36:25,053 --> 01:36:27,293 Speaker 2: company in Auckland that can recycle the road pones. But 1996 01:36:27,372 --> 01:36:30,573 Speaker 2: what are we doing. No, we're importing road cones from overseas, 1997 01:36:31,013 --> 01:36:33,293 Speaker 2: So they don't really believe in what they're saying anyway, 1998 01:36:33,372 --> 01:36:35,692 Speaker 2: exactly put all our road coons through these great New Zealand. 1999 01:36:35,772 --> 01:36:38,173 Speaker 3: Is it prolin yep Oh, one hundred and eighty ten 2000 01:36:38,213 --> 01:36:41,213 Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call proline proline It is 2001 01:36:41,692 --> 01:36:44,452 Speaker 3: bang on hap us three headlines with rayling coming. 2002 01:36:44,333 --> 01:36:50,653 Speaker 6: Up us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis 2003 01:36:50,812 --> 01:36:54,173 Speaker 6: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. A Parmerston North, 2004 01:36:54,293 --> 01:36:57,852 Speaker 6: nineteen year old who's died from injuries after playing an 2005 01:36:57,893 --> 01:37:02,493 Speaker 6: extreme tackling game labeled Run It Straight, has been identified 2006 01:37:02,532 --> 01:37:07,052 Speaker 6: to our newsroom as Ryan's sattath Wait business think tank 2007 01:37:07,213 --> 01:37:10,213 Speaker 6: ends at I e Er says although interest rates are 2008 01:37:10,213 --> 01:37:14,692 Speaker 6: falling and household sentiment is improving in New Zealand, global 2009 01:37:14,772 --> 01:37:19,293 Speaker 6: market volatility has heightened uncertainty. The reserve banks expected to 2010 01:37:19,293 --> 01:37:24,013 Speaker 6: cut the OCR twenty five more basis points tomorrow. The 2011 01:37:24,053 --> 01:37:27,932 Speaker 6: government has announced funding for today OH Education, for property 2012 01:37:28,053 --> 01:37:32,612 Speaker 6: upgrades and boosting bilingual resources. A forty seven year old 2013 01:37:32,612 --> 01:37:36,452 Speaker 6: man's been remarded in custody on charges including arson over 2014 01:37:36,492 --> 01:37:39,692 Speaker 6: a house fire in Nelson last week where one person 2015 01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:42,932 Speaker 6: was seriously injured. Police are asking the public to help 2016 01:37:42,973 --> 01:37:46,932 Speaker 6: identify two witnesses traveling in a vehicle that night. The 2017 01:37:46,933 --> 01:37:50,933 Speaker 6: Health Minister has jumped into intervene after the Ministry is 2018 01:37:51,053 --> 01:37:54,612 Speaker 6: chosen to move away from social media platform X because 2019 01:37:54,652 --> 01:37:58,532 Speaker 6: public engagements declined. It wants to instead post messages and 2020 01:37:58,652 --> 01:38:04,293 Speaker 6: updates on the Blue Sky platform. Wearable tech obsessions. Is 2021 01:38:04,173 --> 01:38:07,812 Speaker 6: all of this self monitoring making us paranoid. You can 2022 01:38:07,853 --> 01:38:10,372 Speaker 6: see the story at Enzen Herald Premium. Now back to 2023 01:38:10,412 --> 01:38:11,772 Speaker 6: Matte Eath and Tyler Adams. 2024 01:38:11,812 --> 01:38:14,532 Speaker 2: Thank you, reyl Blue Sky's are complete and other ghost down. 2025 01:38:14,772 --> 01:38:18,173 Speaker 2: So you wanted to engage with people, then that is 2026 01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:20,133 Speaker 2: not the place to do it. The place to do 2027 01:38:20,213 --> 01:38:22,772 Speaker 2: it is an eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News Talks. 2028 01:38:22,893 --> 01:38:26,253 Speaker 2: D B said, ye's on nine two Matt and Tyler. 2029 01:38:26,293 --> 01:38:28,452 Speaker 2: The road cones for recycling have a shorter life span 2030 01:38:28,532 --> 01:38:30,492 Speaker 2: and colder temperatures in the South Island. We hate them, 2031 01:38:30,652 --> 01:38:33,213 Speaker 2: Cam from traffic Management. Okay, he hates them. Okay, I 2032 01:38:33,213 --> 01:38:35,892 Speaker 2: still like it, afternoon, guys. Just one thing to mention 2033 01:38:35,933 --> 01:38:39,053 Speaker 2: Plastics New Zealand Association website. It's a great site. And 2034 01:38:39,133 --> 01:38:42,132 Speaker 2: the industry that works with government on overseeing plastic production, 2035 01:38:42,213 --> 01:38:44,932 Speaker 2: recycling and business for customers. Okay, check that out there, 2036 01:38:44,973 --> 01:38:45,173 Speaker 2: you go. 2037 01:38:45,532 --> 01:38:48,692 Speaker 3: So anyone who's who's in the industry of recycling plastic 2038 01:38:48,732 --> 01:38:50,852 Speaker 3: and the actual usable products love to hear from you. 2039 01:38:50,893 --> 01:38:53,053 Speaker 3: We were talking off here about fence posts. I think 2040 01:38:53,093 --> 01:38:54,692 Speaker 3: they still do that. Somewhere down the South there was 2041 01:38:54,732 --> 01:38:56,532 Speaker 3: all this talk about plastic roads as well. Was that 2042 01:38:56,612 --> 01:38:59,253 Speaker 3: still going to happen. There's a big, big thing about 2043 01:38:59,253 --> 01:39:01,372 Speaker 3: three years ago. I've never seen any plastic roads. But oh, 2044 01:39:01,372 --> 01:39:03,973 Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you actually recycle 2045 01:39:04,013 --> 01:39:08,972 Speaker 3: plastic for something usable and tangible and good for society, yes, 2046 01:39:09,013 --> 01:39:09,692 Speaker 3: give us a buzz. 2047 01:39:10,013 --> 01:39:12,532 Speaker 2: Give us the actual facts. People in charge, because if 2048 01:39:12,572 --> 01:39:15,772 Speaker 2: we're just spinning our wheels, feeling good about ourselves, putting 2049 01:39:15,772 --> 01:39:19,052 Speaker 2: stuff in the recycling bins when it's actually a net loss. 2050 01:39:19,492 --> 01:39:21,333 Speaker 2: It'd be good to know. It'd be good to know 2051 01:39:21,452 --> 01:39:23,333 Speaker 2: that it's just if it's just going to landscape. We're 2052 01:39:23,372 --> 01:39:26,253 Speaker 2: just full full disclosure. I feel like it's so hard 2053 01:39:26,253 --> 01:39:28,253 Speaker 2: to get through everything. Someone said they've done the numbers 2054 01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:31,132 Speaker 2: with chet GPT and it's about even right. It's about 2055 01:39:31,133 --> 01:39:33,333 Speaker 2: even from one plastic to another plastic. 2056 01:39:33,372 --> 01:39:36,052 Speaker 3: Okay, boy, I just need slightly better than Ai. 2057 01:39:36,253 --> 01:39:44,452 Speaker 2: But yeah, Ali is terrible liar. Welcome to the show, Phil. 2058 01:39:44,732 --> 01:39:45,293 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this? 2059 01:39:46,893 --> 01:39:48,053 Speaker 8: Good thought of that? 2060 01:39:48,173 --> 01:39:49,812 Speaker 3: How are you very good? My friends? 2061 01:39:50,572 --> 01:39:53,412 Speaker 28: Pretty good. I've got a lot to say on this, 2062 01:39:53,572 --> 01:39:55,492 Speaker 28: so hopefully I'll get it all out there. I've been 2063 01:39:55,532 --> 01:39:57,612 Speaker 28: trying to keep it in my mind while I've been waiting. 2064 01:39:58,572 --> 01:40:01,053 Speaker 28: But firstly of all, toilet, I'm with your mate, I'm 2065 01:40:01,093 --> 01:40:03,492 Speaker 28: staying with you. I'll wash that little bottle and that 2066 01:40:03,572 --> 01:40:06,452 Speaker 28: it will be recycled, and thinking, you know, it'll make 2067 01:40:06,532 --> 01:40:07,213 Speaker 28: me feel better. 2068 01:40:07,812 --> 01:40:08,213 Speaker 1: I knew that. 2069 01:40:08,492 --> 01:40:13,053 Speaker 3: Someone out there that would support means. 2070 01:40:11,612 --> 01:40:14,133 Speaker 2: We feel a little bit sad during that film, hoping 2071 01:40:14,572 --> 01:40:16,532 Speaker 2: against hope, cleaning your bottles out. 2072 01:40:17,652 --> 01:40:19,812 Speaker 12: Oh well, you know what they said, Matt. 2073 01:40:19,812 --> 01:40:22,893 Speaker 28: When Pandora's box was open, the only thing that left. 2074 01:40:22,732 --> 01:40:23,932 Speaker 8: That was left was hope. 2075 01:40:24,013 --> 01:40:27,613 Speaker 3: So you got to hold on to hope. 2076 01:40:28,572 --> 01:40:32,173 Speaker 28: But yeah, no, I'm big on recycling. It's quite a 2077 01:40:32,213 --> 01:40:33,652 Speaker 28: passion with me. I'd love to end up in a 2078 01:40:33,732 --> 01:40:38,133 Speaker 28: job with it somehow. But I think I get really 2079 01:40:38,213 --> 01:40:41,253 Speaker 28: frustrated with the manufacturers because I think they put the 2080 01:40:41,333 --> 01:40:43,933 Speaker 28: guilt on on on us the consumer. I think the 2081 01:40:44,053 --> 01:40:46,572 Speaker 28: owners of the year, their owners should be on the 2082 01:40:46,612 --> 01:40:56,412 Speaker 28: manufacturers to make either recyclable packages or at least what 2083 01:40:56,452 --> 01:40:58,292 Speaker 28: do you call when they break down in the environment 2084 01:40:58,532 --> 01:41:03,492 Speaker 28: combustible fight a gradable? Yeah, the gradable ones at least, 2085 01:41:03,973 --> 01:41:07,253 Speaker 28: And I think also so I think they should take 2086 01:41:07,333 --> 01:41:11,612 Speaker 28: much more responsible in that area. And I think the government, 2087 01:41:12,253 --> 01:41:14,612 Speaker 28: and that's what frustrates me when you want to recycle 2088 01:41:14,652 --> 01:41:16,492 Speaker 28: and you want to buy a product that you know that, 2089 01:41:16,652 --> 01:41:18,732 Speaker 28: oh gee, it's not recyclable, and to put it in 2090 01:41:18,732 --> 01:41:21,692 Speaker 28: a plastic it's not recyclable or something. I think also 2091 01:41:21,772 --> 01:41:24,133 Speaker 28: that the government should be more involved and take more 2092 01:41:24,173 --> 01:41:27,972 Speaker 28: responsibility because I see it as I see it as 2093 01:41:28,333 --> 01:41:32,372 Speaker 28: important to the environment because bearing everything's good, you know, 2094 01:41:32,452 --> 01:41:35,412 Speaker 28: in a big hole until a storm or something comes along, 2095 01:41:35,452 --> 01:41:38,532 Speaker 28: which was seen in the in the past few years, 2096 01:41:38,532 --> 01:41:40,532 Speaker 28: and that gets exposed, and all of a sudden, you've 2097 01:41:40,532 --> 01:41:43,892 Speaker 28: got rubbish everywhere in the in the rivers and the 2098 01:41:44,173 --> 01:41:45,972 Speaker 28: and the seas and on the beaches and all going 2099 01:41:46,013 --> 01:41:48,173 Speaker 28: into the ocean. You've got to a big cleanup job. 2100 01:41:49,973 --> 01:41:52,892 Speaker 28: So that that so, I think that's why the government 2101 01:41:52,933 --> 01:41:54,333 Speaker 28: should get more involved. 2102 01:41:54,412 --> 01:41:56,772 Speaker 2: So do you think that we're getting told the truth 2103 01:41:56,973 --> 01:41:59,773 Speaker 2: about recycling? Do you think we're getting the full facts 2104 01:42:00,372 --> 01:42:02,132 Speaker 2: or do you think there's there's a lot of spin. 2105 01:42:04,053 --> 01:42:09,092 Speaker 28: Yeah, I think just listening to listening to things over 2106 01:42:09,133 --> 01:42:12,452 Speaker 28: the last year or so when this subject has been 2107 01:42:12,452 --> 01:42:14,772 Speaker 28: brought up on talkbacks and things like that, because I 2108 01:42:14,772 --> 01:42:16,812 Speaker 28: listened to the talk back all the time. Yeah, I 2109 01:42:16,853 --> 01:42:21,893 Speaker 28: think we've been good New Zealander. 2110 01:42:22,532 --> 01:42:22,972 Speaker 21: I think. 2111 01:42:23,133 --> 01:42:25,253 Speaker 28: Yeah, I think the wall is being pulled over our 2112 01:42:25,333 --> 01:42:27,812 Speaker 28: eyes a bit and we're being misled the general public 2113 01:42:28,053 --> 01:42:31,613 Speaker 28: and recycling and how much it actually is getting recycled 2114 01:42:31,652 --> 01:42:34,653 Speaker 28: and not told the complete truth. Men told a few porkies. 2115 01:42:35,812 --> 01:42:39,293 Speaker 28: The other thing, too, I think is that I don't 2116 01:42:39,293 --> 01:42:41,372 Speaker 28: know why they don't look at And this is where 2117 01:42:41,372 --> 01:42:43,372 Speaker 28: I think the government should be involved. In it and 2118 01:42:43,412 --> 01:42:45,213 Speaker 28: it should be seen as sort of not so much 2119 01:42:45,333 --> 01:42:47,612 Speaker 28: just a profit pure profit thing. Whether they can make 2120 01:42:47,652 --> 01:42:51,692 Speaker 28: it where it can money out of it is where 2121 01:42:51,692 --> 01:42:54,693 Speaker 28: they don't look at like in the Norwiftic country, Norwegian 2122 01:42:54,772 --> 01:42:57,333 Speaker 28: countries or Nordic countries, where I think they have the 2123 01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:00,933 Speaker 28: big incinerators and they burn the rubbish so high that 2124 01:43:01,013 --> 01:43:05,093 Speaker 28: it doesn't pollute the environment, you know, going into the atmosphere. 2125 01:43:05,133 --> 01:43:06,612 Speaker 28: So I don't know whether they don't look at those 2126 01:43:07,492 --> 01:43:12,652 Speaker 28: types of buildings and things look for better word or 2127 01:43:12,692 --> 01:43:15,932 Speaker 28: factories to do that. And I find also really annoying 2128 01:43:16,053 --> 01:43:19,852 Speaker 28: because I'm in christ you're a cheer, and I find 2129 01:43:20,053 --> 01:43:23,333 Speaker 28: really annoying that even if you've got the right recycle 2130 01:43:23,452 --> 01:43:26,573 Speaker 28: number and Christ here it's one, two and five on plastics. 2131 01:43:26,612 --> 01:43:28,452 Speaker 28: But say you've got a container and it's got a 2132 01:43:28,532 --> 01:43:30,173 Speaker 28: lead on it and it's got the right number to 2133 01:43:30,253 --> 01:43:33,973 Speaker 28: recycle one and two or five. I rung up the 2134 01:43:34,013 --> 01:43:36,572 Speaker 28: council ask them about it, and they say, no, we 2135 01:43:36,612 --> 01:43:39,492 Speaker 28: can't take those because the machines can't handle them. And 2136 01:43:39,492 --> 01:43:41,652 Speaker 28: that's the reason why they The reason why they can't 2137 01:43:41,652 --> 01:43:43,892 Speaker 28: handle the bottle tops is because they're too small. 2138 01:43:44,772 --> 01:43:47,572 Speaker 2: And then there's a diaper in the mix, and then 2139 01:43:47,612 --> 01:43:51,293 Speaker 2: you can't have any of it your jar. Yeah, exactly. 2140 01:43:51,412 --> 01:43:53,973 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call. Phil. It's complicated, 2141 01:43:53,973 --> 01:43:56,053 Speaker 2: and I don't think we're getting told the truth. We 2142 01:43:56,173 --> 01:43:59,892 Speaker 2: used to recycle newspaper supermaker bags till a little miss 2143 01:43:59,933 --> 01:44:02,692 Speaker 2: Muppet stop that. We use them for bin liners, doggy 2144 01:44:02,732 --> 01:44:05,973 Speaker 2: poo and just about everything, even lamb covers. Now we 2145 01:44:06,013 --> 01:44:08,053 Speaker 2: buy all those items and rubbish. Yeah, I mean the 2146 01:44:08,093 --> 01:44:11,053 Speaker 2: whole plastic bags and supermarkets are so ridiculous when you 2147 01:44:11,173 --> 01:44:14,772 Speaker 2: don't have the little plastic bags and then and then 2148 01:44:14,893 --> 01:44:16,933 Speaker 2: you're just walking out You've got your dishwashing liquid in 2149 01:44:16,933 --> 01:44:20,372 Speaker 2: a big plastic model. That was that is entirely those 2150 01:44:20,492 --> 01:44:23,333 Speaker 2: those bags. Was the perception of doing something, not the 2151 01:44:23,372 --> 01:44:27,333 Speaker 2: actuality of doing it. Calbon Campbell working to Welcome to 2152 01:44:27,372 --> 01:44:27,932 Speaker 2: the show. 2153 01:44:28,893 --> 01:44:31,372 Speaker 16: Great shoe fellows. Thank you for enjoying this topic. 2154 01:44:31,452 --> 01:44:32,133 Speaker 3: Are you're a good man. 2155 01:44:34,572 --> 01:44:36,892 Speaker 21: I'm completely the opposite to the last caller. 2156 01:44:37,492 --> 01:44:39,213 Speaker 23: I've completely given. 2157 01:44:39,013 --> 01:44:40,372 Speaker 24: Up of recycling. 2158 01:44:41,372 --> 01:44:42,093 Speaker 2: You've lost your hope. 2159 01:44:42,173 --> 01:44:43,133 Speaker 23: Used to be a recycler. 2160 01:44:44,612 --> 01:44:46,492 Speaker 2: I said, you've lost your hope. Phil still got his hope. 2161 01:44:46,492 --> 01:44:47,612 Speaker 2: You've lost lost. 2162 01:44:49,572 --> 01:44:50,293 Speaker 3: Certainly wavering. 2163 01:44:51,452 --> 01:44:53,852 Speaker 23: Well here Meah Okay, So I used to be big 2164 01:44:53,893 --> 01:44:56,732 Speaker 23: time recycler, and then when I started finding out that 2165 01:44:57,652 --> 01:44:59,652 Speaker 23: we've seen it overseas and the lights and it just 2166 01:44:59,732 --> 01:45:04,253 Speaker 23: gets put into landshell, I just thought, well, what's the point, 2167 01:45:04,372 --> 01:45:07,372 Speaker 23: you know, like, why why should I spend you know, 2168 01:45:07,412 --> 01:45:10,092 Speaker 23: if you ended up every single minute that you spend 2169 01:45:10,093 --> 01:45:12,932 Speaker 23: in a week, yes doing your recycling, you probably spend 2170 01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,732 Speaker 23: an hour of your life, you know, to do. 2171 01:45:16,293 --> 01:45:18,293 Speaker 2: It, to do it exactly right as is expected. 2172 01:45:18,372 --> 01:45:22,052 Speaker 29: Yeah, yeah, And I just I just find the whole 2173 01:45:22,293 --> 01:45:25,412 Speaker 29: New Zealand clean green image to be a load of bs, 2174 01:45:25,492 --> 01:45:27,933 Speaker 29: to be perfectly honest, And I think we've become a 2175 01:45:28,053 --> 01:45:33,133 Speaker 29: very hypocritical culture because we send our tires to Saudi Arabia. 2176 01:45:32,692 --> 01:45:35,852 Speaker 23: Who burn them in the desert. You know, we don't 2177 01:45:35,853 --> 01:45:38,972 Speaker 23: allow drilling for oil here, however we import it from 2178 01:45:39,053 --> 01:45:43,012 Speaker 23: everywhere else in the world we send our recycling. Say, 2179 01:45:43,133 --> 01:45:45,932 Speaker 23: we like a child that sees we've cleaned our bedroom 2180 01:45:45,973 --> 01:45:47,532 Speaker 23: and then you go in and check and all I've 2181 01:45:47,572 --> 01:45:48,213 Speaker 23: done is put. 2182 01:45:48,053 --> 01:45:48,772 Speaker 21: It under the beer. 2183 01:45:49,133 --> 01:45:50,092 Speaker 3: It's so true. 2184 01:45:50,692 --> 01:45:52,932 Speaker 2: It's so true. It's the perception, or it's the it's 2185 01:45:52,973 --> 01:45:56,093 Speaker 2: the look that you're doing something to feel better. You've 2186 01:45:56,133 --> 01:45:59,572 Speaker 2: got people complaining about mining, texting and complaining and posting 2187 01:45:59,612 --> 01:46:02,572 Speaker 2: on social media about mining from their iPhones, which have 2188 01:46:02,692 --> 01:46:07,492 Speaker 2: got a bunch of common people aren't anti mining. They're 2189 01:46:07,532 --> 01:46:08,892 Speaker 2: anti mining and New Zealand. 2190 01:46:10,213 --> 01:46:13,093 Speaker 23: Has anyone talked about what they do in Singapore, because 2191 01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:17,532 Speaker 23: that's what I'm quite passionate about. No, no, okay, your 2192 01:46:17,572 --> 01:46:21,333 Speaker 23: last Paula kind of mentioned it in Singapore because they're 2193 01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:23,692 Speaker 23: the leaders of this, by the way, because they've got 2194 01:46:23,732 --> 01:46:26,932 Speaker 23: such a small land area, they can't bury their rubbish. 2195 01:46:27,133 --> 01:46:30,093 Speaker 23: They've got no they've got nowhere to put it. So 2196 01:46:30,133 --> 01:46:32,532 Speaker 23: they are the leaders in burning rubbish. Now they have 2197 01:46:32,612 --> 01:46:38,412 Speaker 23: got it down to such a fin the smoke or 2198 01:46:38,412 --> 01:46:41,972 Speaker 23: whatever that comes out of the chimney is so low 2199 01:46:42,053 --> 01:46:45,892 Speaker 23: in toxicity whatever you say. And all that's left behind 2200 01:46:46,013 --> 01:46:52,253 Speaker 23: is carbon, right, which naturally the Earth has carbon, as 2201 01:46:52,293 --> 01:46:55,812 Speaker 23: we know. But what they do is that they it's 2202 01:46:55,812 --> 01:47:00,572 Speaker 23: a massive power plant in Singapore. They burn ninety nine 2203 01:47:00,652 --> 01:47:03,652 Speaker 23: percent of all of their rubbish, every single bit. 2204 01:47:04,213 --> 01:47:05,012 Speaker 16: They don't recycle. 2205 01:47:05,093 --> 01:47:12,972 Speaker 23: I don't do And you're talking nappies, glassy plastics, everything, yeah. 2206 01:47:12,812 --> 01:47:16,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what is it? And it's and they're not 2207 01:47:16,853 --> 01:47:19,293 Speaker 2: unleashing a bunch of carbon into the atmosphere. 2208 01:47:20,853 --> 01:47:24,293 Speaker 23: Well, and here's the next part of my call. Yes, 2209 01:47:24,333 --> 01:47:28,173 Speaker 23: of course they're releasing a little bit. Nothing is perfect, 2210 01:47:28,173 --> 01:47:28,732 Speaker 23: but it's. 2211 01:47:28,532 --> 01:47:30,932 Speaker 8: The hell of a lot better than good old New Zealand. 2212 01:47:31,372 --> 01:47:33,852 Speaker 23: Who's putting it on the ground, whether it be in 2213 01:47:33,933 --> 01:47:37,173 Speaker 23: our country or in China. The damage that that does. 2214 01:47:37,213 --> 01:47:39,572 Speaker 23: And fifty I mean we're currently in New Zealand. There 2215 01:47:39,572 --> 01:47:41,053 Speaker 23: was an article on the news just the other day 2216 01:47:41,173 --> 01:47:43,093 Speaker 23: how we're digging up all the old rubbis stunts that 2217 01:47:43,093 --> 01:47:46,732 Speaker 23: are all near the the ocean. I mean, crying it lad. 2218 01:47:46,853 --> 01:47:47,013 Speaker 5: Now. 2219 01:47:47,053 --> 01:47:48,732 Speaker 23: The second part of my cause is it was a 2220 01:47:48,772 --> 01:47:53,333 Speaker 23: guy here in Canterbury. He wanted to he wanted to 2221 01:47:53,372 --> 01:47:56,333 Speaker 23: install one of these plants in the South Island. It 2222 01:47:56,372 --> 01:47:59,892 Speaker 23: would have taken every single piece of rubbish that the 2223 01:47:59,933 --> 01:48:03,253 Speaker 23: South Island could have produced. It would have made enough 2224 01:48:03,372 --> 01:48:07,973 Speaker 23: power to power Timarrou And he couldn't get across the 2225 01:48:08,013 --> 01:48:10,732 Speaker 23: line because everyone was making it so the environment caught 2226 01:48:10,812 --> 01:48:13,253 Speaker 23: and everyone was making it so hard for him, so 2227 01:48:13,293 --> 01:48:13,772 Speaker 23: he gave up. 2228 01:48:14,532 --> 01:48:17,932 Speaker 3: Yah, I'm fascinating. Look, I'm just looking at this technology now. 2229 01:48:18,213 --> 01:48:21,012 Speaker 3: I believe I don't know whether this is still the case, 2230 01:48:21,053 --> 01:48:23,732 Speaker 3: but it looks like there is a proposed Kuipitter based 2231 01:48:24,053 --> 01:48:27,733 Speaker 3: waste of energy andcinerator that was going to be operational 2232 01:48:27,772 --> 01:48:30,572 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight. Do you it's Cambells still there? 2233 01:48:30,572 --> 01:48:31,852 Speaker 3: Do you know anything about that one kemble? 2234 01:48:33,372 --> 01:48:35,133 Speaker 23: I just know the one there was one down and 2235 01:48:35,213 --> 01:48:37,213 Speaker 23: I think it was why Matty. 2236 01:48:39,013 --> 01:48:40,612 Speaker 16: So not with Kayper Again. 2237 01:48:41,293 --> 01:48:44,052 Speaker 3: That's in the North Islands, so probably not that one. 2238 01:48:44,372 --> 01:48:46,692 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean it's exciting technology and it sounds 2239 01:48:46,732 --> 01:48:48,492 Speaker 3: like Singapore absolutely making it work. 2240 01:48:48,652 --> 01:48:53,652 Speaker 2: Yeah, says you're spreading misinformation. Stop. Well, we're really asking 2241 01:48:53,812 --> 01:48:56,213 Speaker 2: as someone to give us all the information. I would 2242 01:48:56,253 --> 01:49:00,253 Speaker 2: like to know that the complete and utter rundown, absolutely 2243 01:49:00,452 --> 01:49:05,492 Speaker 2: all the information on recycling. Yeah, from every part of it, 2244 01:49:05,532 --> 01:49:09,492 Speaker 2: from the contamination of materials, the the you know, the 2245 01:49:09,732 --> 01:49:12,452 Speaker 2: the high energy use and changing it. They're picking it up. 2246 01:49:12,532 --> 01:49:17,173 Speaker 2: Everyone's work that's put into it, from from the work 2247 01:49:17,213 --> 01:49:19,213 Speaker 2: that people put in their house to putting it into 2248 01:49:19,452 --> 01:49:22,532 Speaker 2: the recycling bins, to the picking up of it, to 2249 01:49:22,652 --> 01:49:25,333 Speaker 2: what's actually recycled, how much ends up in landfill, and 2250 01:49:25,333 --> 01:49:28,053 Speaker 2: the actual stats on it across the board. Someone do 2251 01:49:28,133 --> 01:49:32,213 Speaker 2: a full holistic analysis of it and then come back 2252 01:49:32,213 --> 01:49:32,452 Speaker 2: to us. 2253 01:49:32,532 --> 01:49:34,013 Speaker 3: And that's what we asked from the get go, and 2254 01:49:34,053 --> 01:49:37,213 Speaker 3: nobody's provided us with that yet, but there's still time. Oh, 2255 01:49:37,253 --> 01:49:39,412 Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. 2256 01:49:39,652 --> 01:49:40,612 Speaker 3: It has called it a four. 2257 01:49:42,213 --> 01:49:45,772 Speaker 1: Madd Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred 2258 01:49:45,772 --> 01:49:49,852 Speaker 1: and eighty Tight. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news talks. 2259 01:49:49,853 --> 01:49:53,772 Speaker 3: They'd be very good. Afternoon, Jude is twelve to four. George, 2260 01:49:54,013 --> 01:49:54,692 Speaker 3: what's your take? 2261 01:49:55,412 --> 01:49:57,213 Speaker 16: Goodday, guys. I'm George from. 2262 01:49:58,572 --> 01:50:00,813 Speaker 3: Oh nice to hear from you, George, lovely. 2263 01:50:02,532 --> 01:50:07,932 Speaker 16: The best placeable except for except for maybe Italy. Anyway, 2264 01:50:07,933 --> 01:50:10,932 Speaker 16: what we what do we have about is basically work 2265 01:50:11,013 --> 01:50:13,532 Speaker 16: for just water and we're going over thirty eight thousand 2266 01:50:13,612 --> 01:50:17,852 Speaker 16: customers and out from government, schools, hospitals, you name it, 2267 01:50:18,412 --> 01:50:21,692 Speaker 16: and we recycle all our bottles, fifty meter bottles. But 2268 01:50:21,772 --> 01:50:25,572 Speaker 16: it irks me their company is now selling these other bottles. 2269 01:50:25,772 --> 01:50:30,692 Speaker 16: Was a thinner, one use only and spread into the 2270 01:50:30,732 --> 01:50:34,293 Speaker 16: rubbishment and that really peased me off. You know, we're here, 2271 01:50:34,333 --> 01:50:36,652 Speaker 16: we are. We look up to our customers since ninety 2272 01:50:36,652 --> 01:50:40,812 Speaker 16: eighty six a great company and the thirty eight thousand 2273 01:50:41,333 --> 01:50:44,773 Speaker 16: customers were the leaders. And we recycled all these bottles. 2274 01:50:45,253 --> 01:50:48,412 Speaker 16: But they are now people in like in Togario company 2275 01:50:48,452 --> 01:50:52,253 Speaker 16: there who just sells them in wor worse or supermarkets 2276 01:50:52,492 --> 01:50:55,452 Speaker 16: and one use and the thrown away and and that 2277 01:50:55,692 --> 01:50:58,213 Speaker 16: just I've sent them in in the dumps and I said, 2278 01:50:58,213 --> 01:51:00,852 Speaker 16: look a look at the waste. There was such a waste. 2279 01:51:01,133 --> 01:51:03,372 Speaker 16: The governms shouldn't allow that to be solved. 2280 01:51:03,893 --> 01:51:05,572 Speaker 2: So what do you think the government could do about that? 2281 01:51:05,853 --> 01:51:12,212 Speaker 16: George, Well, here's people who are are making larger bottles 2282 01:51:12,652 --> 01:51:15,692 Speaker 16: about the size of twenty coat bottles, you know, plastic 2283 01:51:15,692 --> 01:51:18,612 Speaker 16: coke bottles. They're modify how many people are using them. 2284 01:51:18,692 --> 01:51:22,852 Speaker 16: So they've got to say, you know, I know, how 2285 01:51:23,173 --> 01:51:24,372 Speaker 16: how do you get to the government. 2286 01:51:24,692 --> 01:51:25,013 Speaker 28: No one. 2287 01:51:25,013 --> 01:51:30,452 Speaker 16: I don't trust the government. So that's a problem. That's 2288 01:51:30,452 --> 01:51:32,812 Speaker 16: the biggest problem. You know, we need to we need 2289 01:51:32,812 --> 01:51:37,412 Speaker 16: a and I don't know in the country, but I 2290 01:51:37,452 --> 01:51:39,013 Speaker 16: just want to put it, you know, I will to 2291 01:51:39,013 --> 01:51:41,333 Speaker 16: adjust what. I'm proud of it that we recycle all 2292 01:51:41,372 --> 01:51:41,852 Speaker 16: our bottles. 2293 01:51:41,933 --> 01:51:43,412 Speaker 2: Good on you, and we're the. 2294 01:51:43,412 --> 01:51:45,532 Speaker 16: Largest and there's some people out there who want to 2295 01:51:45,532 --> 01:51:48,612 Speaker 16: sell other stuff as we gets trucked in the Robbergemon. Well, well, 2296 01:51:48,772 --> 01:51:49,572 Speaker 16: just you. 2297 01:51:49,692 --> 01:51:51,773 Speaker 2: Well if you get if you if you care about recycling, 2298 01:51:52,013 --> 01:51:55,812 Speaker 2: support just water because they do the company, and so 2299 01:51:55,973 --> 01:51:58,173 Speaker 2: maybe that's a bit of use of our energy and time. 2300 01:51:58,372 --> 01:52:01,692 Speaker 2: Yeahs as supporting people, I mean, one of these things, 2301 01:52:01,732 --> 01:52:04,092 Speaker 2: these people that rave about recycling and do the recycling 2302 01:52:04,173 --> 01:52:07,293 Speaker 2: right and then then buy four million stupid things that 2303 01:52:07,293 --> 01:52:09,933 Speaker 2: they're definitely going to throw out up from Teamate. You 2304 01:52:09,973 --> 01:52:12,052 Speaker 2: know that that if you really want to help the environment, 2305 01:52:12,093 --> 01:52:14,213 Speaker 2: buy less crap that you're going to throw out. I mean, 2306 01:52:14,253 --> 01:52:16,013 Speaker 2: that's the first thing you want to do that you'll do. 2307 01:52:16,173 --> 01:52:18,692 Speaker 2: You'll do so much more if that's what you care about. 2308 01:52:18,732 --> 01:52:23,532 Speaker 2: By just being more discerning in the absolute bollocks you buy. 2309 01:52:23,572 --> 01:52:26,772 Speaker 3: It spot On. That's nicely said. Thank you very much, 2310 01:52:26,893 --> 01:52:29,173 Speaker 3: George die. 2311 01:52:29,213 --> 01:52:31,132 Speaker 2: You've got some Kathmandu skirts. 2312 01:52:32,133 --> 01:52:35,492 Speaker 17: I know, and I think it's quite positive actually because 2313 01:52:35,532 --> 01:52:37,852 Speaker 17: I bought them a couple of years ago and I 2314 01:52:37,893 --> 01:52:40,132 Speaker 17: couldn't believe it. I found the tag and I remember, 2315 01:52:40,893 --> 01:52:43,333 Speaker 17: you know, sort of reading it when I first put them. 2316 01:52:43,372 --> 01:52:46,572 Speaker 17: But yeah, these these two garments are made out of 2317 01:52:46,692 --> 01:52:53,372 Speaker 17: recycled plastic bottles and the textiles being developed in China, 2318 01:52:54,173 --> 01:52:58,372 Speaker 17: and it states quite a lot about the process and everything, 2319 01:52:58,973 --> 01:53:01,093 Speaker 17: and I think, you know, good on cat men do. 2320 01:53:01,532 --> 01:53:04,653 Speaker 17: And I'd actually like to ring them up and find out, 2321 01:53:04,772 --> 01:53:09,092 Speaker 17: you know, that whole process and what's developed from it, because, 2322 01:53:09,253 --> 01:53:11,893 Speaker 17: like I said, I've had them about two years to 2323 01:53:12,053 --> 01:53:16,572 Speaker 17: three years and they're still standing up, strong and great 2324 01:53:16,612 --> 01:53:16,932 Speaker 17: to wear. 2325 01:53:17,253 --> 01:53:18,972 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's good news. 2326 01:53:18,973 --> 01:53:23,013 Speaker 17: And they look good, look the perfect for what I 2327 01:53:23,013 --> 01:53:26,692 Speaker 17: brought them for, which is you know, campaign, round home hiking, 2328 01:53:26,732 --> 01:53:27,652 Speaker 17: all that sort of stuff. 2329 01:53:28,053 --> 01:53:28,333 Speaker 5: Easy. 2330 01:53:28,492 --> 01:53:30,372 Speaker 17: Here thro them in the washing machine. 2331 01:53:31,053 --> 01:53:31,293 Speaker 24: Yep. 2332 01:53:31,452 --> 01:53:31,692 Speaker 11: Great. 2333 01:53:32,053 --> 01:53:33,492 Speaker 2: And I was thinking of your cool Die. Well, that's 2334 01:53:33,532 --> 01:53:35,572 Speaker 2: you know, you're making decision to buy something again. 2335 01:53:35,612 --> 01:53:38,012 Speaker 3: Another company by the sounds of it, that is doing 2336 01:53:38,053 --> 01:53:40,572 Speaker 3: the right thing right. We're going to play some messages, 2337 01:53:40,572 --> 01:53:42,812 Speaker 3: but we'll be back very shortly. It is eight to 2338 01:53:42,893 --> 01:53:44,572 Speaker 3: four the. 2339 01:53:44,652 --> 01:53:48,612 Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything 2340 01:53:48,612 --> 01:53:52,532 Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons Ustalgs EDB 2341 01:53:53,053 --> 01:53:54,173 Speaker 1: on Newstalgs EDB. 2342 01:53:54,692 --> 01:53:56,972 Speaker 3: It is five to four. Couple of techs here, get 2343 01:53:56,973 --> 01:53:59,133 Speaker 3: a Matt and Tyler. I saw a program either on 2344 01:53:59,173 --> 01:54:02,692 Speaker 3: Country Calendar or Rural Report about a wonderful business turning 2345 01:54:02,692 --> 01:54:05,933 Speaker 3: plastic and defensing posts and rails for lifestyle blocks. Imagine 2346 01:54:06,013 --> 01:54:08,333 Speaker 3: if we could use a building timber replacement of feel 2347 01:54:08,372 --> 01:54:10,813 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. Accountability needs to be on the producer 2348 01:54:11,053 --> 01:54:14,293 Speaker 3: to choose a recyclable product. Very good text, Thank you 2349 01:54:14,333 --> 01:54:14,492 Speaker 3: for that. 2350 01:54:15,093 --> 01:54:18,732 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, it's been a great chat, hasn't. 2351 01:54:18,572 --> 01:54:20,852 Speaker 3: It has been? And this one says, hey, guys, think 2352 01:54:20,853 --> 01:54:24,253 Speaker 3: about this. Volcanoes the best place to dump plastic and rubbish. 2353 01:54:24,293 --> 01:54:26,732 Speaker 3: No port required, just anchor it off and chop or drop. 2354 01:54:26,812 --> 01:54:30,492 Speaker 3: Anything left ends up covered in lava and becomes part 2355 01:54:30,492 --> 01:54:33,012 Speaker 3: of the land like Hawaii keeps getting bigger every day. 2356 01:54:33,013 --> 01:54:37,053 Speaker 2: From me, okay, so we need to find some volcanoes. 2357 01:54:37,173 --> 01:54:39,493 Speaker 3: We could grow our footprints on New Zealand by chucking 2358 01:54:39,493 --> 01:54:40,693 Speaker 3: it in some ective volcan It. 2359 01:54:40,653 --> 01:54:43,573 Speaker 2: Could be some costs and fossil fues on the choppers. Well, 2360 01:54:43,893 --> 01:54:47,573 Speaker 2: when wherever you know, we regret to service and recycling 2361 01:54:47,573 --> 01:54:49,373 Speaker 2: always seems a bit dodgy. So I'd like to see 2362 01:54:49,413 --> 01:54:53,653 Speaker 2: a full holistic rundown of all the aspects of recycling 2363 01:54:53,653 --> 01:54:54,772 Speaker 2: to see if it's worth it or not. 2364 01:54:54,933 --> 01:54:56,013 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I. 2365 01:54:55,933 --> 01:54:57,693 Speaker 2: Think we need to know the truth we deserve it 2366 01:54:57,733 --> 01:54:58,973 Speaker 2: before we're going to put the effort in it. In 2367 01:54:59,013 --> 01:55:00,893 Speaker 2: the meantime, if you care about rubbish, stop buying so 2368 01:55:00,973 --> 01:55:03,253 Speaker 2: much crap on teaming. It would be a really good 2369 01:55:03,573 --> 01:55:06,293 Speaker 2: good start. Thank you all you great you see us 2370 01:55:06,293 --> 01:55:08,333 Speaker 2: for listening to the show. We've had a great time. 2371 01:55:08,453 --> 01:55:10,893 Speaker 2: You have the Metantole Afternoons full show podcast will be 2372 01:55:10,933 --> 01:55:12,493 Speaker 2: out in about an hour. If you missed any of 2373 01:55:12,533 --> 01:55:15,533 Speaker 2: our excellent chats on Winston Peters in twenty twenty five 2374 01:55:15,573 --> 01:55:18,613 Speaker 2: and rubbish for the last hour are the fantastic Hither 2375 01:55:18,733 --> 01:55:20,733 Speaker 2: is up next with some hard news. But that's all 2376 01:55:20,733 --> 01:55:23,253 Speaker 2: from us. See you tomorrow, AVO until the end. Wherever 2377 01:55:23,253 --> 01:55:25,973 Speaker 2: you are, whatever you're doing, give them a taste of 2378 01:55:26,013 --> 01:55:26,613 Speaker 2: carey from us. 2379 01:55:26,653 --> 01:55:43,533 Speaker 25: Ay good, Maddie and Tyler Adams. 2380 01:55:44,733 --> 01:55:47,373 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 2381 01:55:47,453 --> 01:55:50,413 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 2382 01:55:50,453 --> 01:55:53,053 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.