1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,159 Speaker 1: Clash between the climate battle and the cost of doing business, 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: though it's getting a bit real for some of the 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: veggie market, people who grow vegetables, greenhouse operators to Martis 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Qcumb's capsicum and stuff like that, they're affected by changes 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: to what they call the industrial allocation. Major producers could 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: be lumped with a two hundred thousand dollars fee a 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: vegetable New Zealand says that will put some out of business. Obviously, 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: the chair is John Murphy. He's with us. John, very 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: good morning to you. They Mike, now explain to us 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: one oh one this for us, the industrial allocation is what. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 2: It's basically there to ensure that we don't simply end 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: up buying from less efficient producers overseas. So if local 13 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: producers here are text into oblivion, that's what ends up happening, 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: and obviously we don't want that to happen. 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So how much is this is about the climate 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: climate change things like the etes versus the price of 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: gas which has gone through the roof. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: This is about the etes, right, So while there grows 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: are facing huge problems with that that this is about 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: the etes and it's really about the timing. So the 21 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: Ministry for the Environment is over eager and applying this 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: now and that's actually against that flies in the face 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: of commercial reality and what our girls can do about 24 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: it because many of those guest contracts run into next year. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: So what we're saying is they need to delay until 26 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 2: next year to win. Our girls can actually do something 27 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: about What would. 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: You do about it? If you could get out of 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: gas right now, what would you do about it? 30 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Oh, there's a number of things that Greenhouse girls are 31 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: already doing, from thermal screens to all manner of things. 32 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: And I think that's a really important point. Our Greenhouse 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: girls are some of the best people at uptaking new technologies. 34 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: They are doing their bit right, and unfortunately the other 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: one's been penalized right now. 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Why can't they And just to explain this to everybody, 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: has it so? So you're locked into a gas contract, 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: you can't get out of it. That's the way the 39 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: business operates. And so government comes along and goes, you've 40 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: got to pay this because you know you're using gas 41 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: and gas is bad, et cetera, et cetera. Why don't 42 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: understand that? 43 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think it's just just a triumph 44 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: of bureaucracy, and they think that they're improving the environment 45 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: by in this. I am putting this in place right now. 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: They're not because our girls can't do anything about it. 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: We need time to put practical solutions in place. 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: How much time do you want? I mean is that 49 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: part of the problem though, But I mean how much 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: time would you want to sort of satisfy them if 51 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: they were open to being satisfied. 52 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Look, we want to work with Minister Watts and Minister 53 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: Simmons and their officials. If we can work with them 54 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: this year, then our growers will start exiting some of 55 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: those contracts and we can put things in place. 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: They're pretty sensible people. Why haven't they been able to 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: get through on this, because I mean they've done well 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: with the farmers so far in the ETA. Yes, Well, 59 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: have you slipped through the cracks or something? 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: I think we have a little bit. But I think 61 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: they've shown that they are eager to get on board 62 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: with this, and we need them to come to the 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: table now one hundred percent. 64 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: How big is the glasshouse for want of a better word. 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: It's pretty substantial, But there are less and less players 66 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: involved with policies like this and that's the dramatic thing 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: and the fear of it, this is that you'll see 68 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: ten dollar cucumber in no time, and we don't want that. 69 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 2: We want Keiwis to be eating more vegetables, getting one 70 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 2: more vegetable to their diet, because that's a way to 71 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 2: put it. 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: The future for music couldn't agree more. Go well, John 73 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: will stay in touch with us, but I'm sure I 74 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: feel that this can get sorted out John Murphy, who's 75 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Vegetables New Zealand and as a glasshouse owner myself, I 76 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: don't run on gas, but I'll tell you what, I 77 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: got a lot of sympothy going on here. 78 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 79 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 80 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.