1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Godgether due to see Ellen's There's been a lot of 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: talk about Jasinda Ardun's new biography, of course, but in 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: the midst of it all you may have noticed some 4 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: ads for another Justina book. We can reveal tonight that 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: the mystery unauthorized Justinta biography is being written by journalist 6 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: David Cohen, and David's with me. Now, Hey, David, top. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 2: Of the morning to you here there, I'm in rural Ireland. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Can you believe so? I think this is the first 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: time in my life I've done such an interview sort 10 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: of in spirit. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Have you gone to Ireland? Have you gone to Ireland 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: to go interview Trevor Mallard for the book? 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Is he still here? I'm actually doing an assignment for 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: the listener over here. But I've been in Britain doing 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: the final interviews for my just cinder our during work. 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: Now, David, did you time the ads? Am I right 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: in thinking you timed the ads for your book for 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: the same day that she released her book? 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: Correct? Or, more specifically, because I've been in the British isles. 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: The Centrist with whom I relatively recently made a commercial 21 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: arrangement with, we're behind the billboards and also the website 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: to send abook dot com. 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: Right, So does this mean that you're being financially backed 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: by Jim Grennan. 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: By the Centrist which is financially back by Jim. I 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: don't know what their arrangement is, but you should ask them, Okay, 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 2: he said carefully. 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: David, is this legit? Have you got yourself a publisher? 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: The short answer is yes, But it's also been negotiated 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: at the moment, which is there is one international publisher 31 00:01:54,440 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: that is extremely keen on the project. So I'll know 32 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: within within within the coming weeks where that one's going. 33 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: Fairly confident. I am absolutely confident that this will be 34 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: out this year later this year of that, I've got 35 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: no doubt. 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: I've had a look at your website and it seems 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: to me, based on the comments that you've got on there, 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: that you have spoken to at least one cabinet minister, 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: is that right? Former cabinet minister? 40 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: Oh, more than one, more than one. One of the 41 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: reasons as a journalist that I'm that I'm really proud 42 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: of this work is because it does what every other 43 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: work on just sindra Adin has not done palpably, which 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: is to bring in a multitude of voices from the left, 45 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: from the right, from the center, and from everywhere else. 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: And as an example of that politically every party, virtually 47 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: every party is well represented among the voices, among the interviewees, 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 2: among the one hundred or so folk, including you, that 49 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: that generously gave their time and their comments and perspectives 50 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: on the former. 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: Listening to Hoskin talking a few weeks ago and he 52 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: said he'd spoken to somebody about a book. Was that you, Yes, okay, 53 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: so you've got me. 54 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: So, just to clarify, Mike is most certainly in the book, 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: will be he spoke with my offside, if I can 56 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: put that without it sounding patronizing. Rebecca Keeler I've been 57 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: working on working with She's a co author and has 58 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: done a substantial number of the interviews. 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: Now, now, David, I mean, you've obviously had access to 60 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: a reasonable number of people who I think we would 61 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: all regard as being quite well informed in the very 62 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: center of it. The only trouble that you seem to 63 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: have is that an association with the Centrist would possibly 64 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: lend your book to kind of becoming a bit fringe. 65 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Are you worried about that? 66 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 2: If I had a Creative New Zealand funding, I would 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: be concerned about it being fringe, because that seems to 68 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: be the account for a lot of that agency's sponsorship 69 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: at the moment. No, there's no editorial intercession. I've done 70 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: nine books. My hands are clean journalistically and they're certainly 71 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: going to remain so. And if somebody were to say 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 2: from centrist or from anywhere, you must do this or that, 73 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: then I would be out brilliant. 74 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: David, listen, look after yourself and enjoy Ireland, and I 75 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: certainly will be reading the book when it comes out. 76 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: That's David cohen Au of the Jainder Book. 77 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 78 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.