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Speaker 1: Digging through the Spence Spence to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talks at me. Yes, a very good afternoon too.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tim Beverig. Welcome to Drive this Thursday, the twentieth

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Speaker 3: of March. I'm in for Ryan who was in for Heather.

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Speaker 3: Of course it's past the parcel coming up on today's show.

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Speaker 3: We've had some surprisingly good news on GDP, which is

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Speaker 3: a much needed relief, especially for Nichola Willis will be

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Speaker 3: looking for something to celebrate. She's with us shortly after five.

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Speaker 3: And also, as you will have seen over the past

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Speaker 3: a few days, former Prime Minister of Australia, Malcolm Turnbull

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Speaker 3: has been giving the current Australian government a few headaches

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Speaker 3: because softly softly certainly not how you might describe his

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Speaker 3: approach on Trump. Malcolm Turnbull will also be joining us.

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Speaker 3: And also why is the Defense Force cutting almost four

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Speaker 3: us boosting our defense resources. So yes, all this on

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Speaker 3: If you're not in a hurry, email Tim b at newstalk,

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Speaker 3: SAIDB dot co dot Nz. It is coming up to

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Speaker 3: eight past four news Talk, ZEDB. Well, yes, it was

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Speaker 3: nice to have a bit of good news to start

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Speaker 3: the day, wasn't it that we perhaps we hadn't been expecting.

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Speaker 3: You remember that just yesterday we were hearing about those

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Speaker 3: of a surprise to hear that enz GDP has exceeded expectations,

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Speaker 3: of that growth is attributed to spending by international visitors,

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Speaker 3: As Willis described it, it's a welcome confirmation that the

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Speaker 3: the specter that hangs over it all is just uncertainty

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Speaker 4: That's thing, Tim, thanks for having us on.

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Speaker 4: All of those indicators point to the fact that we're

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Speaker 4: and this would seem a strange time to be doing

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Speaker 3: just a moment with the Darcy Waldgrove talking Sport. It

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Drive, Tim beveriging and for Ryan it

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Speaker 5: Hang Average is in for Ryan bred who is in

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Speaker 3: Yes, it sounds like a Gilbert and Sullivan song, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: You would bring it back to amusement. You can't help yourself.

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Speaker 3: Oh its indeed. Now, look the all whites path to

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Speaker 5: But what we're going to talk about tonight on the program.

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Speaker 5: the ease of qualifying and does that diminish the import

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Speaker 5: So then it goes on. It's changed a lot. Back

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Speaker 1: B moving the big stories of the day forward alwhen

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Speaker 3: So welcome back to Drive, Tim Beverig and for Ryan,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty four past four that we've received a statement

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Speaker 3: But the Kiwi nature of it. If this was a

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Speaker 3: Murray holds his next This is news Talks. He'd be

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 3: It'd be ye a fully.

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Speaker 11: For the first time.

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Speaker 1: Made it.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to Drive. I'm Tim Bevergen for Ryan

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Speaker 3: and don't forget. After five we're having a chat with

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Donald Trump, he's been on the phone again.

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Speaker 3: He's described an hour long core with Ukrainian President Volodimia

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Speaker 3: And two UN workers have been killed in Gaza. The

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Speaker 13: I'm shocked, I am shocked and devastated by this tragic news.

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Speaker 14: And finally, a girl from India has become the world's

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one family not to mess with anyway. Murray

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Speaker 3: she's of course, um blimey. Federal government they're promising to

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going to go straight on the

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump says yes, you can come on over

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Speaker 3: How does that play out with voters? Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Look much sent sure? Actually how this would play out?

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Speaker 2: The conservatives over here, they're very much in the Netanyahu

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Speaker 3: What's that all about?

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Speaker 2: Lamar Condon went to his ex lover's house in Sydney

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Speaker 2: and shot dead both men. Now, the case was briefly

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Speaker 2: mentioned this morning here in the Sydney Court and Lamar

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Speaker 2: Condon was not present, but his lawyer told the court

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Speaker 2: that a report by a forensic psychiatrist into his client's

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Speaker 2: mental state would be available in early April. Now, as

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Speaker 2: I say, this happened in February last year. The case

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Speaker 2: is progressing as slowly as these things do. But it's

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Speaker 2: being interpreted now by people in the know in Sydney,

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Speaker 2: in the legal circles in Sydney. This may be the

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Speaker 2: way Lamar Condon's going to go. He's going to plead

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Speaker 2: insanity and see how that goes. So were just not

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure right now. It's back in court

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Speaker 2: in April.

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Speaker 3: Gosh we ever all we have a morbid fascination with

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Speaker 3: these tales, don't we eat?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, thanks Murray, great to chat that, of course,

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Speaker 3: Murray olds it is well, Barry Soapers. Next, that's seventeen

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Speaker 3: Yes, welcome back Tom Beverton for right, Well, the word

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Speaker 3: come masters in the news were going to talk about

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Speaker 3: it that in the moment, but our own come right

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Speaker 3: away here. He's senior political cross bond. It's very so,

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Speaker 3: very sur I should have visited that with you. Can

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Speaker 3: I call you a com.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a revered person. I guess I don't know

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Speaker 7: whether the one we're going to talk about should exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about GDP as shall we get excited

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Speaker 3: about this as the start of better things to come?

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, one positive GDP does not an economy make,

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Speaker 7: and I think Nikola Willis is quite aware of that.

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Speaker 7: But the fact that it grew in the December quarter

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Speaker 7: by zero point seven percent is certainly better than the

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Speaker 7: negative results that we saw in the previous two quarters

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Speaker 7: in June and September. So we're out of the recession

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Speaker 7: officially there, statistically at least. But it's getting the mood

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Speaker 7: of the public, isn't it on board? And that's the

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Speaker 7: biggest problem. Interestingly, Nikola Willis says she'll be making some

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Speaker 7: big announcements shortly. Well, she's got the budget in May,

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Speaker 7: and my belief is that this budget's going to be

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Speaker 7: tough to There was a lot of criticism at the

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Speaker 7: last budget that it wasn't tough enough, they had to

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Speaker 7: do more, and I think you will find in the

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Speaker 7: May budget they'll be tough and they'll be hoping that

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Speaker 7: they can do something that will turn the economy on

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Speaker 7: a better basis than what it has been since they talk.

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Speaker 3: About because it's hard to quantify when the numbers actually

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Speaker 3: eke through to us feeling good. It's one thing to

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Speaker 3: hear numbers and go what does it mean exactly? So

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Speaker 3: long game on that one. Hey, Jenny Anderson's foot is

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Speaker 3: back in her mouth. Talk about feeling good.

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Speaker 7: She shouldn't be feeling too good today because because i'd

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Speaker 7: know whether you heard her on with Mark Mitchell prol

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Speaker 7: Mark was in India. Ginny Anderson was on with Hosking

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Speaker 7: yesterday and you will remember that Chris Hopkins when he

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Speaker 7: was Education Minister, he scrapped charter schools reintegrated them into

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Speaker 7: the public system. And Ginny Anderson was on and she

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Speaker 7: was talking about the Investment Summit and not going back

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Speaker 7: on everything that has agreed to by this coalition government.

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Speaker 7: And that's all very well, but she was asked specifically

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Speaker 7: about charter schools and she said, look, if it's a

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Speaker 7: big project that's in play and it's working okay, and

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Speaker 7: there are some good things there. We're not going to

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Speaker 7: undo it for the sake of saying that we know better.

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Speaker 7: That's to quote her in a statement though she issued

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Speaker 7: later in the day because she was asked about charter schools.

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Speaker 7: She confirmed that Labour's position remained the same on charter schools.

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Speaker 7: They'll be scrapping them. So the Acting Prime min is

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Speaker 7: to David Seymour, which is what he is at the moment.

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Speaker 7: He's the champion of charter schools. Of course, he says.

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Speaker 7: That says a lot about Labor.

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Speaker 9: What it shows is that the Labor Party is still

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Speaker 9: driven more by the union reps, not the teachers, but

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Speaker 9: the union reps collecting fees off the teachers, and they're

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Speaker 9: reckons than the experience of New Zealand students. When you

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Speaker 9: have seventy eight people apply to operate charter schools, when

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Speaker 9: you've got people literally moving city so their child can

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Speaker 9: go to a charter school, that's something the Labour Party

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Speaker 9: should listen to before snapping to a knee jerk reaction.

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Speaker 7: You got to remember that they had seventy eight applications

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Speaker 7: for the charter schools and they called for them and

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Speaker 7: they had they were over subscribed. So you know, there

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Speaker 7: is a there's a feeling out there that these schools

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Speaker 7: do work. I'm not sure they do because I don't

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Speaker 7: really quite understand them as much as I perhaps should do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hardly the biggest hill for labor

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Speaker 3: to die on either, But I just think the message

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Speaker 3: of uncertainty is not helpful.

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Speaker 7: No, it's not it most certainty isn't.

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Speaker 3: And all here he is the starving comar to a

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Speaker 3: Dean Wickliffe. He gets another green MP visiting him in prison.

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Speaker 7: Steve Abel went in to see him. I think it

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Speaker 7: was last night. And that follows Timotha Paul's little visit

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Speaker 7: to him as well, and then saying she called him

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Speaker 7: the comar to it, which I found absolutely surprising. Tell

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Speaker 7: that to the Jewelers only was shot with his pistol

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Speaker 7: in Wellington in nineteen seventy two. I think they would

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Speaker 7: beg to differ on that one. But like I said

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Speaker 7: yesterday to Ryan, then he's got one thing that is

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Speaker 7: that he's famous for, and that's escaping from Perima Remo's

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Speaker 7: maximum security prison twice, the only prisoner ever to have

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Speaker 7: done it. Now I remember the nineteen ninety one escape

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Speaker 7: very well, because I got on the phone to the

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Speaker 7: then police minister and everybody will know who it was

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Speaker 7: John Banks and said to Banksy, Dean Wickcliff's escape. Banks

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Speaker 7: He said to me, Soaps, I'm looking out the window

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Speaker 7: of the plane and the down below the Manoba Tu

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Speaker 7: was looking beautiful. And I said to him, what are

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Speaker 7: you doing talking on the phone, Banksy, You're not meant

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Speaker 7: to be on the phone. It was an inn, said

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Speaker 7: fly commercial flight and the pullbacker somebody reported him, and

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Speaker 7: the pallbacker was fine seven hundred and fifty dollars subsequent

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Speaker 7: in the court. So he remembers of escape more so

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Speaker 7: than most.

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Speaker 3: Did he escape using any clever means? Was it sort

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Speaker 3: of sure shape redemption stuff where he just fight out

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Speaker 3: the back of the laundry.

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Speaker 7: Laundry it was, I did look at it. Yes, it

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Speaker 7: was waiting until the dead of night, and he was

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Speaker 7: it was subterfuge.

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Speaker 3: He got out.

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Speaker 7: So that's his claim to fame. But look, you know,

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Speaker 7: nobody wants anybody to die through starving themselves to know

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Speaker 7: he's going in to see him, I think today and

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Speaker 7: to try he said, he's a relative, he's going to

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Speaker 7: try and try and talk him into eating again.

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Speaker 3: But watch this one. Hey, thanks very great to talk

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Speaker 3: it is. We're back in just a moment. It's eight

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Speaker 3: minutes to five.

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Speaker 1: News Talks hed b putting the tough questions to the

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Speaker 1: news speakers, the mic asking breakfast national.

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Speaker 3: Public Health servances. They're being accused of overreach and trying

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Speaker 3: to suppress the expertise of officials. The Health Minister, Simeon

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Speaker 3: Brown is with me now.

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Speaker 16: I'd love them to start focusing on our immunization targets

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Speaker 16: which are wofully behind, and stop trying to be the

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Speaker 16: health police telling stallholders and Elson they've got to put

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Speaker 16: up stone saying bring your own cup or stop it.

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Speaker 16: Trying to campaign against McDonald's stores in one oco, that's

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Speaker 16: not what the National Public Health Service should be focused on.

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Speaker 16: Another thing, I read it from a submission they made

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Speaker 16: to Nolton City Council was Nelton and City Council should

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Speaker 16: fan community groups from selling rattle tickets because they might

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Speaker 16: encourage gambling. I mean, this is just absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: There back tomorrow at six am, the mic hosking breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Veda Retirement Communities on news Togs Dead b.

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Speaker 3: Yes, welcome back to Drive, Tim Beverage, and for Ryan

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Speaker 3: at five to five, we've got Nicola Willis will be

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Speaker 3: joining us after fartherd Block on the back of the

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Speaker 3: positive news around GDP. This is an interesting question asn't

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Speaker 3: as to how long you know, the numbers actually resonate

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Speaker 3: with people, so we actually start to feel more optimistic

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Speaker 3: about things because, as I mentioned in my opening, these

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Speaker 3: numbers come on the back of the fact that consumer

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Speaker 3: confidence is not too flash. So anyway we're going to

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Speaker 3: be digging into the GDP figures and just how bullish

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis feels around those results. And I'm sure, look,

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Speaker 3: any good news is good news and we want to

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Speaker 3: celebrate it. So yeah, not to stick around for that.

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Speaker 3: And Malcolm Turnbull also after five on the economic side

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Speaker 3: of things. Interesting to see old Elon Musk his Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he paid a huge amount for Twitter and then

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Speaker 3: converted it to X and I guess a lot of

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Speaker 3: us thought, gosh, how can you pay so much money

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Speaker 3: for it? But the good news for Elon Musk is

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Speaker 3: that his social media platform X its value has finally returned,

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Speaker 3: but has reportedly swored back to the forty four billion

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Speaker 3: dollars that he paid for it. So it's that's quite

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Speaker 3: a reversal of fortunes since he became an ally of

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, of course, and I'm not sure if it

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Speaker 3: will make up for the losses that he has suffered

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Speaker 3: as a result of Tesla, because a lot of people

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Speaker 3: who are boycotting Tesla around the world, and there's been

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Speaker 3: some spectacular share price drops. Haven't got the figures in

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Speaker 3: front of me, but especially in Europe, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: Elon's particularly popular. Look, we don't have to worry about

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Speaker 3: how he's going to fund his retirement. He's an incredibly

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Speaker 3: wealth wealthy man. But interesting to see that that rebound

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Speaker 3: to his forty four billion dollar purchase price has actually

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Speaker 3: taken place. And just on a bit of another bit

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Speaker 3: of good news customs officials, this is a surprising amount here.

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Speaker 3: The Customs have arrested three airport workers for smuggling fifty

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Speaker 3: eight kilograms of methamphetamine boxes containing basically off an international flight.

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Speaker 3: They were working with industry partners. They identified a bit

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Speaker 3: of suspicious activity within the airport precincts and yeah, fifty

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Speaker 3: eight kilos. I'm not sure how that fits in the

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Speaker 3: scheme of things. But there's there's some wins to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: We could even celebrate. I wonder how many of us

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Speaker 3: have got shares and X not me do I wish

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Speaker 3: I had no, not me nor Tesler. But good on Eline.

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Speaker 3: He's recovered as forty four billion dollar purchase price. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back shortly with Nicola Willis next, and of course

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull. This is Newspork's at be Drive. We needed.

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Speaker 17: Two step with a woman I love.

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Speaker 8: We needed a st go on.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duples on Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Let's get connected News.

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Speaker 2: Talks at be.

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Speaker 3: Guest, welcome to Drive. Seven seven past five. The New

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Speaker 3: Zealand economy has officially turned a corner. GDP rose zero

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Speaker 3: point seven percent in the December quarter, finally putting an

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Speaker 3: end to the recession. The rebound was stronger than an

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Speaker 3: economists had predicted, driven by tourism and primary industries. Construction

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Speaker 3: well that took a bit of a hit was down

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Speaker 3: more than three percent, and Nikola Willis is the Finance Minister.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, good afternoon. You'll be loving this news, won't you.

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Speaker 18: I am It tells us that we are turning the corner,

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Speaker 18: which is what New Zealand doeres need after a very

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Speaker 18: tough time with high inflation, high interest rates and growth

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Speaker 18: bouncing along the bottom. The numbers today are better than

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Speaker 18: was forecast and tell us that recovery is underway. We

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Speaker 18: need that to be sustained because the New Zealanders will

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Speaker 18: start feeling it in their household budgets and in their communities.

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Speaker 8: But this tells us we're on our way.

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Speaker 3: So compared to December twenty twenty three, the economy is

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Speaker 3: still one point one percent smaller. We've still got a

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Speaker 3: long journey ahead of us, don't we.

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Speaker 8: We do.

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Speaker 18: There's no getting away from the fact that New Zealand

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Speaker 18: was hammered following COVID. The huge amount of spending that

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Speaker 18: was done during that time resulted in a very high

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Speaker 18: inflation spike, rapidly rising interest rates, and that put a

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Speaker 18: real clamp on our economy and it's taking time to

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Speaker 18: dig ourselves out of it. But we are on our

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Speaker 18: way now and the government's focus is how we accelerate

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Speaker 18: that growth. We know that when we do, that will

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Speaker 18: lead to higher incomes that will lead to a more

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Speaker 18: affordable cost of living for New Zealanders, and that's our focus.

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Speaker 8: We're going for growth.

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Speaker 3: So because we saw the dip and consumer confidence in

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Speaker 3: the latest survey yesterday, how long does it take for

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Speaker 3: these figures to actually turn into us feeling good about

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Speaker 3: where we're going.

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Speaker 18: We do need to see a sustained period of growth

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Speaker 18: because unfortunately, the last thing to recover is always employment,

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Speaker 18: and so fore casters are expecting that unemployment will continue

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Speaker 18: to rise over the next few months, and of course

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Speaker 18: that has a real impact on people's confidence. What we

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Speaker 18: do know is that unemployment is set to stay below

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Speaker 18: where it's been historically, below the historic average, so it's

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Speaker 18: not going to be as bad as it has been

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Speaker 18: during previous downturns. But look, my enthusiasm is to see

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Speaker 18: us get through this as quickly as possible. What we

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Speaker 18: are seeing is that many businesses are more confident about

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Speaker 18: the future now. They're seeing those high dairy prices, those

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Speaker 18: more tourism numbers flowing through into money being bent in

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Speaker 18: their communities. They're seeing that people who are refixing on

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Speaker 18: lower mortgages more able to spend at their local shops,

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Speaker 18: and so that recovery is underway. And New Zealanders will

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Speaker 18: start feeling it as businesses are better able to pay

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Speaker 18: higher wages when they're selling more when they're more profitable.

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Speaker 3: Of course, these numbers are also better than the Reserve

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Speaker 3: Bank had anticipated. Do you think that might mean that

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Speaker 3: we can be optimistic about further drops and interest rates?

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Speaker 18: Well, this is obviously a better result than the Reserve

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Speaker 18: Bank was expecting. But they'll be weighing up a number

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Speaker 18: of factors. They'll be looking at the international context, they'll

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Speaker 18: make their official cash rate decisions. We know that they've

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Speaker 18: been forecasting additional interest rate drops.

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Speaker 8: This year, and I know many kiwis will welcome that.

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Speaker 3: When we look at the whole global outlook, there is

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Speaker 3: a fair bit of uncertainty about that. How realistic do

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Speaker 3: we need to be about optimism?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, look, there is uncertainty about that and that impacts

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Speaker 18: New Zealand in a couple of ways. It means that

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Speaker 18: the costs of paying the interest bill on our debt

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Speaker 18: are going to be high.

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Speaker 8: Which affects our books.

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Speaker 18: It means that some businesses might look out the global

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Speaker 18: context and not feel as confident about investing for the future.

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Speaker 18: But I just remind everyone that I go and meet,

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Speaker 18: Actually New Zealand is very well positioned in an unstable world. Actually,

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Speaker 18: we're selling products that people want. We have lots of

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Speaker 18: strong trading relationships, and we've got one of the highest

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Speaker 18: dairy prices we've ever had two years in a row.

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Speaker 18: And there are good things happening here. And I tell you,

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Speaker 18: the international investors who we were meeting with last week said, look,

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Speaker 18: New Zealand, it's a safe haven. It's a stable place.

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Speaker 18: You guys have got great prospects ahead of you, and

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Speaker 18: I think we need to stay fixed on that and

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Speaker 18: not get too trapped in the deming gloom of what

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Speaker 18: some other countries are experiencing around the world.

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Wells, thank you, Finance Minister. We'll be back in

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Speaker 3: just a moment. Malcolm Turnbull is with us as eleven

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Speaker 3: concluded his visit to the United States without a splash

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Speaker 3: is exactly how our government prefers it. Peters has been

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Speaker 3: very diplomatic about his meeting with US Secretary of State

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Speaker 3: Marco Rubio. He said it was a successful meeting, but

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Speaker 3: wouldn't go into many details about what the US wants

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Speaker 3: from New Zealand. Malcolm Turnbull is Australia's former Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: he's been outspoken about standing up to the US administration.

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Speaker 3: He joins me, now, mister Turnbull, good.

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Speaker 19: Afternoon, good afternoon, great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Winston Peters has been has concluded as some

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Speaker 3: of his meetings in the US, he's been taking a

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Speaker 3: sort of head down, headlow, polite, don't say anything to

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Speaker 3: frighten the horses. Do you agree with that approach?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, it's probably it's fair enough. I mean, in

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Speaker 19: a sense, it doesn't really really what really matters is

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Speaker 19: what he says. What you say privately, you know, in

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Speaker 19: the direct discussions, that's that's the important thing. As long

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Speaker 19: as you're standing up for your country. In the private discussions,

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Speaker 19: you can be as you know.

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Speaker 3: As discreet and.

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Speaker 19: Polite, I suppose flattering in the in the pressure releases.

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Speaker 19: You know, the real question is what's happening inside the room.

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Speaker 3: I gather you don't feel quite as constrained these days.

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Speaker 19: Well no, look, I no, of course not. I'm not

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Speaker 19: not you know, I'm a former prime minister, so but

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Speaker 19: the no, I'm free to speak my own mind, just

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Speaker 19: as you are.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that given your position as a former

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Speaker 3: prime ministrocracy, you have standing and your words are going

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Speaker 3: to be obviously reported and get some attention. How do

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Speaker 3: you sort of navigate you saying what you really want

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Speaker 3: to say versus how is this going to help Australia.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think you know we were astray. All of

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Speaker 19: us have an interest in free speech. I mean, what

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Speaker 19: can you just give me an example. I'm struggling to

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Speaker 19: understand the point you're trying to make.

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Speaker 3: And I think if you criticize Donald Trump, and we

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Speaker 3: all have our feelings about Donald Trump, but if you

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Speaker 3: say something that doesn't quite fit in with the Australian

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Speaker 3: government wants to take a more softly softly approach, and

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Speaker 3: you sort of put your head above the parapet and

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Speaker 3: attract his attention in a way that they might not

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Speaker 3: be happy with. Is I'm not meaning this as a

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Speaker 3: really hard question or something, but how do you navigate

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Speaker 3: what the Australian government wants versus malcol time?

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Speaker 19: I mean, the Australian Government's got to manage its own affairs.

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Speaker 19: I mean, I'm a you know, I speak my own

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Speaker 19: mind and I'm not going to censor myself to avoid

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Speaker 19: the wrath of Donald Trump. And I don't think anyone should.

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Speaker 19: I mean he he is a bully and he seeks

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Speaker 19: to well, I mean, look at the ways try and

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Speaker 19: look at the extraordinary bullying of that federal court judge.

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Speaker 3: That's going on at the moment.

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Speaker 19: You know, he's calling for the guy to be impeached

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Speaker 19: and called him a radical left wing lunatic. And he

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Speaker 19: was actually appointed by George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush.

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Speaker 19: So it doesn't look to me to be either radical,

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Speaker 19: lunatic or left But you know, like it's it's perfectly obvious.

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Speaker 19: I mean, if a court, I mean, what Trump is

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Speaker 19: doing is attacking the judiciary in an attempt to intimidate it,

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Speaker 19: so that you know, if you're you know, perhaps you

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Speaker 19: should suggest to Americans that they should censor themselves and

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Speaker 19: not speak up for fear of being criticized by the president.

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Speaker 19: I mean, really, I just look, I'm sorry, I'm an

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Speaker 19: old fashioned free speech person, and I believe that you

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Speaker 19: should people should stand up and state their views. Obviously,

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Speaker 19: if you're in government, you you know, you could got

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Speaker 19: to be more perhaps discreete or tactical than others. But

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Speaker 19: but really, you know, you can't let the bullies win,

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Speaker 19: and you can't let them go unchecked full stop.

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Speaker 3: How would you be managing the relationship. If you were

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Speaker 3: Prime minister of which country mine or yours? Well, let's

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Speaker 3: well you can you can offer your thoughts on either.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Australia and then you can well.

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Speaker 19: Well, look, I've yeah, starting with Australia that it's the

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Speaker 19: one I understand the best. Look, you've just got to

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Speaker 19: be true to yourself. You've got to stand up for

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Speaker 19: your own country. You have to recognize that, particularly with Trump,

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Speaker 19: you're dealing with a guy who believes might is right,

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Speaker 19: who is a bully, I mean, makes no bones about that,

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Speaker 19: and he's highly transactional. So you've got to set aside

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Speaker 19: all sorts of sentiment and naive views that you know,

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Speaker 19: Washington has altruistic views, you know, affection for us. I mean,

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Speaker 19: we kid ourselves in this part of the world that

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Speaker 19: you know, we've got a you know, a big big

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Speaker 19: brother over there in Washington who's always got our best

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Speaker 19: interests at heart. Now, look, I hope they do, and

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Speaker 19: I hope they do most of the time, but you

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Speaker 19: can't assume that. So we have to stand our ground

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Speaker 19: and be as hard headed and objective about our position

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Speaker 19: as they are about theirs. That's it. It's so in

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Speaker 19: other words, nothing personal, it's business.

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Speaker 3: What's your take on the negotiations that we've seen sort

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Speaker 3: of unfolding with the Ukraine and the USA and Russia

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Speaker 3: obviously with Putin and Trump.

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Speaker 19: Well, look, I hope a peace can be achieved, but

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Speaker 19: you know, so far, Donald Trump has used his muscle

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Speaker 19: to force Zelenski to agree to you know, to agree

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Speaker 19: to cease fire. You know, it would have been a

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Speaker 19: lot better if he'd used his muscle to pressure Putin,

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Speaker 19: but so far he's used all the muscle and power

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Speaker 19: to essentially kneecap Zelenski with drew military assistance, with drew

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Speaker 19: intelligence sharing. Now that's been restored, so that's good. But

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Speaker 19: now he's got to deal with Putin, and so far

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Speaker 19: he hasn't really got anything out of him.

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Speaker 15: I mean, they've.

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Speaker 19: They're a long way from getting to a peace deal.

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Speaker 19: I'm afraid that they've agreed to a parent thirty days,

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Speaker 19: you know, a cessation of attacks on each other's energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 19: But then no soon had press that press release gone out,

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Speaker 19: than the Russians attacked the Ukrainian energy infrastructure. So I

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Speaker 19: don't know, I mean, I have to say, you know,

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Speaker 19: you would have hoped that the Trump would have said

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Speaker 19: to Putin, if you don't, you know, come to a

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Speaker 19: realistic deal on the that that ensures Ukraine continues as

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Speaker 19: a sovereign, independent state, then we will give them, you know,

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Speaker 19: every bit of military assistance they need and more. But instead,

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Speaker 19: what he's done is effectively sided with the weaker, the invaded,

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Speaker 19: the wronged party. And that's not very edifying, is it?

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Speaker 3: Just this might be a slight trivial question to ask,

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Speaker 3: But Trump likes people who if you're a friend to Trump,

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Speaker 3: he's a friend to you. He myers Putin, it seems.

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Speaker 3: And I was just curious that Putin kept him waiting

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Speaker 3: for a couple of hours, and I was wondering, is

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Speaker 3: there a point where Trump might decide, actually, maybe Putin's

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Speaker 3: not my friend.

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Speaker 19: Well, I don't know. I mean, he is fascinated by Putin.

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Speaker 19: I've seen that firsthand. But he's but he's you know,

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Speaker 19: he's fascinated by Putin. He likes strong men, you know,

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Speaker 19: he likes Berduwan in Turkey, or Ban in Hungary, sidgein Ping.

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Speaker 19: You know, that's I guess that's that's what he'd like

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Speaker 19: to be, you know, a kind of a strong man,

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Speaker 19: a dictator that that can't be checked. Didn't he say

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Speaker 19: he was going to be dictator on day one? I

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Speaker 19: think in the campaign? So you know, Trump does say

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Speaker 19: the quiet bits out loud. But you know, as far

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Speaker 19: as friendship concerned, Trump's fallen out with a lot of people.

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Speaker 19: So I wouldn't you know that you suggested that if

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Speaker 19: Trump is your friend, he's you know, his friend for life.

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Speaker 19: I mean, that's that is not There are countless people,

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Speaker 19: libraries of books written by people who's fallen out with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Malcolm Turnble, thanks for your time. Really appreciated this

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Speaker 3: form of primer Australian p and Malcolm Turnbull, it says interesting,

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Speaker 3: I never had quite worked out my thoughts on his

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Speaker 3: approach to diplomacy. Givenis no longer in the gig, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: you can text your feedback on nine two nine two.

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Speaker 3: This is News Talks. He'd be Drive. It's twenty three past.

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand, Let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talksa'd be Yes with Tim Beverage twenty six past five. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's fair to say that the interview with Malcolm Turnbull

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Speaker 3: there has triggered a few of you. Look, it's an

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Speaker 3: interesting one, isn't it. The whole issue about whether a

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Speaker 3: former prime minister should keep quiet because what he sees

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Speaker 3: might get in the way of the agenda, in the

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Speaker 3: way that the Australian government wants to manage their relationship

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Speaker 3: with with the White House. Should I say the word

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration? But I sort of think sort to think, well,

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Speaker 3: he talks about free speech, and I wonder if that

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Speaker 3: when it comes to people who are not in positions

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Speaker 3: of power, like like Malcolm Timberley's free to speaker's mind.

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Speaker 3: I sort of err on that side, regardless of what

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Speaker 3: whether you agree with him or not. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people bang on about Trump derangement syndrome, and I'll just

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Speaker 3: stick it out there that the only people with Trump

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Speaker 3: dearrangement syndrome are the people who keep on mentioning Trump

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Speaker 3: derangement syndrome because they just refuse to put him under

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Speaker 3: any microscope because he's their messiah. And so yeah, I

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Speaker 3: just think it's the most pathetic accusation you can make.

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Speaker 3: You need to probably address the substance of what someone's

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Speaker 3: making from a point of view of a little bit

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Speaker 3: of common sense. So I just sort of put that

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Speaker 3: down there because it's the predictable thing. I thought, I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get lots of lots of text with the

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Speaker 3: initials TDS, and it's like, oh, shake it off, look

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Speaker 3: in the mirror anyway. We'll be back shortly. Are this

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Speaker 3: is news Talk zeb Drive. There's an interesting thing about

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Speaker 3: the flan flatmates wanted admin controversy on Facebook. Will fill

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Speaker 3: you in a bit more on those details. Shortly. It

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Speaker 3: is approaching half past news.

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Speaker 1: Twenty on the iHeart app and in your car on

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Speaker 1: your drive home, it's hither Duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talks they'd be.

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Speaker 10: Marty Pony Drack, somebody bummy smok. I'm about to get

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Speaker 10: off busboy gears rock. Yeah, I've been breaking my back

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Speaker 10: just keeping with the Joneses, y'all know, I mean, and

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Speaker 10: y'all know holy gold when it's so far.

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Speaker 3: Five, Hey nive here Simon or my Yes. News talks

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Speaker 3: they'd be this is Drives and Beveridge and for Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever wondered about who the people are that

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Speaker 3: run all those Facebook groups that you're part of Auckland

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Speaker 3: Flatmates and flats wanted as a booming Facebook page with

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Speaker 3: over two hundred thousand members, but all the work of

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Speaker 3: blocking out scams approving posts got too much for one

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Speaker 3: ad They got too much for one admin who proposed

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Speaker 3: a fee for posting on the group. After a widespread

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Speaker 3: black backlash which followed, the admin has paused the page

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Speaker 3: and that has left flat Hunter's panic and with us

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Speaker 3: with us now is one of the other admins from

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Speaker 3: the Facebook page, and he has agreed to speak with

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Speaker 3: us anonymously. And good afternoon, Good afternoon, So how much

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Speaker 3: did you want to charge for a post on the page?

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Speaker 3: And what was going to happen with the money?

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Speaker 20: We are for a three dollar fee, whereby we stated

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Speaker 20: one dollar will go into charity for a Gland Starship

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Speaker 20: hospital and the rest of the money to help I

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Speaker 20: mean to put him more time to manage and maintain

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Speaker 20: the group, as well as be able to pay intnet

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Speaker 20: bills though we used to keep the group that we

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Speaker 20: have been actively running it for the last ten years plus.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so how many how many of edmonds are there?

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Speaker 3: And how much time do you spend on its?

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Speaker 20: Three is three so basically we all have jobs, so

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Speaker 20: we on line here and there at work at home,

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Speaker 20: so wherever we are, even if we are not we

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Speaker 20: are not at home, we have to use our personal

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Speaker 20: internet while we're out there and about to go on

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Speaker 20: the group to screen messages, accept and all of that.

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Speaker 20: So it's not like we have a specific time to

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Speaker 20: go on there when we at home, were on there

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Speaker 20: where we are work, when we had a chance, we

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Speaker 20: go on there when we're out with family. We still

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Speaker 20: accept the group.

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Speaker 3: You never escape it, right? How many posts are we

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Speaker 3: talking per day that you'd have to moderate?

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Speaker 20: Usually some Sometimes we can get like thirity or forty

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Speaker 20: a d but out of all the thirty forty you

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Speaker 20: will likely approve maybe ten fifteen because most of it

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Speaker 20: are scam scam ads or scam posts that they try

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Speaker 20: to get in. So we have to read through every

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Speaker 20: person who have put in a request to post before

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Speaker 20: we approved, and.

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Speaker 3: As that including you having to moderate the comments as well. Yes, correct, Okay,

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Speaker 3: so you pull some.

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Speaker 20: Of the coms, yes, right, because we have decided to

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Speaker 20: actually shut it down because when we ask for a

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Speaker 20: fee to give us the ability to put in more

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Speaker 20: term because this group have been very helpful and very

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Speaker 20: high command with people trying to find a rent and

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Speaker 20: all of that. So we have put in a whole

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Speaker 20: lot of time, but people don't see all of that.

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Speaker 3: What actually, why did you keep going with it when

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Speaker 3: it got so big? I mean, because it just sounds

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Speaker 3: like it's a John Hessel?

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Speaker 20: Why don't you Because the person who created their group

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Speaker 20: was once a homeless in any situation why where he

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Speaker 20: was homeless, that's when he created their group in order

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Speaker 20: not to see anyone else fall in the situation where

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Speaker 20: they have nowhere to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Any chance you're going to get, any chance you're going

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Speaker 3: to get the page back up and running, because it

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Speaker 3: sounds like a lot of people rely on it.

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Speaker 20: Have you got those There is a lot and even

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Speaker 20: though it's possible, we still receive privacy messages from people

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Speaker 20: who come through our personal Facebook that are asking us

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Speaker 20: to allow them to advertise or to run even we

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Speaker 20: had a few people that offered if we will see

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Speaker 20: all the page, but we don't think it's something that

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Speaker 20: we should sell it. We simply ask for a fee

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Speaker 20: to give us also the time to put him more

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Speaker 20: time to screen all and try to do whatever we

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Speaker 20: can get this cam out of it. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 20: But people just really don't see the airport we put in.

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Speaker 20: The SOD decided to just shut it out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I I can understand that. You've got to

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Speaker 3: be a thank you. I really appreciate your time. You've

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Speaker 3: got to be a luton for punishment on that one. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: That was one of the admins on the Facebook page

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Speaker 3: who agreed to speak to us anonymously, which is why

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Speaker 3: I haven't given you his name obviously. Anyway, right now

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Speaker 3: it is nineteen minutes to six the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find your one

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Speaker 1: of a kind.

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Speaker 3: Yes and joining us for the huddle. Ben Thomas, former

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Speaker 3: National Party staffer and Ali Jones Red pr Hello, Hi

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Speaker 3: em hi Ben Gooda. Are you a member of any Ali?

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Speaker 3: Are you a member of any Facebook groups or an admin? Perhaps?

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Speaker 3: Even yeah?

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Speaker 7: Hundreds?

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Speaker 21: No, seriously, because I forget that I joined them, and

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Speaker 21: then when I go back through and see what I've joined,

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Speaker 21: I'm appalled actually at how it's got out of control.

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Speaker 21: So I have a round about four pages that I

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Speaker 21: manage myself and a number that I am a member of.

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Speaker 21: It's a really great way to stay in touch with

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Speaker 21: local issues as far as local government goes and things

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Speaker 21: like that.

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Speaker 8: So yes, I am.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a problem with worrying about scams or

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Speaker 3: are your pages closely sort of monitored and sort of

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Speaker 3: by admission only?

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Speaker 21: Yeah, pretty much, and I do. I mean I can

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Speaker 21: tell a fake profile. Ben will know all about this too.

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Speaker 21: In politics, there are fake profiles, there are scams. The

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Speaker 21: one at the moment is if you're running advertising through meta,

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Speaker 21: then you get a message saying we're about to remove

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Speaker 21: your page because you've breached conditions, right, and you just

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Speaker 21: you just blocked that and delete it. But it does

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Speaker 21: take time. I heard your man talk about it takes

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Speaker 21: a lot of time.

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Speaker 3: What would you do if you were Ben? Would you?

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Speaker 3: Would you just pull pull up sticks and just say, oh,

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Speaker 3: stuff this.

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Speaker 11: Well, this is the thing about online communities, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: I Mean, everything used to be free and you went

1049
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Speaker 11: sort of bombarded by ads everywhere. But but you know,

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Speaker 11: this is the thing about online services, whether it's a

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Speaker 11: Facebook group or the platform, you know, eventually people want

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Speaker 11: to monetize it. And if you're an admin in a group,

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Speaker 11: you know it's that old sort of thing. You're You're

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Speaker 11: not the consumer or the product. And you know, I

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Speaker 11: think Facebook actually doesn't let you charge No.

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Speaker 3: I think the thing is that sucks you into It's

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Speaker 3: like once you're an admin of a group, you just

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Speaker 3: get sucked into that world. And probably the smartest thing

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Speaker 3: they should do is just just pull the pin and

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Speaker 3: leave it alone. Is that what you guys are do?

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Speaker 11: Ben, I'd think ten years was long enough. I might

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Speaker 11: offer to hand over the keys to someone else and

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Speaker 11: right into the sunset.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I think there's a there's an There are a

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Speaker 21: couple of options here. I think what they're doing is great.

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Speaker 21: And I think the fact that it came from someone

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Speaker 21: who is homeless and that they're keeping that link to

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Speaker 21: that and keeping that real, I think that's awesome talk

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Speaker 21: about authenticity. But I think there's an opportunity here potentially

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Speaker 21: for someone to monetize it and set up some sort

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Speaker 21: of website. It's not expensive to set up a website. Potentially,

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Speaker 21: what you do then as you run the risk of

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Speaker 21: making that affordable for people who can afford it, or

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Speaker 21: accessible for people who can afford it, and exclude those

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Speaker 21: who can't. So, but you know, there's certainly a business

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Speaker 21: opportunity here. But yeah, I think they should keep it going.

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Speaker 21: Get some more edmonds. You know three is not many.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, and I think maybe you're right. Just

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Speaker 3: close it down and leave a notice saying, look, if

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Speaker 3: you want to, if you want to check it out,

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Speaker 3: this is our new website and we'll look forward to

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Speaker 3: welcome you. Anyway. Look, let's move on. We'll move on

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Speaker 3: in just a moment. Actually, we'll take a break. It's

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Speaker 3: sixteen minutes to five. This is the Huddle, Ben Thomas

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Speaker 3: and Allie Jones. The GDP is out. We'll be having

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Speaker 3: a chat about that and where the how good news

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Speaker 3: that is for us all back in the moth the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones with local

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Speaker 3: It's welcome back to the huddle, Ben Thomas and Alie

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Speaker 3: Jones with me, Tim Beverage and for Ryan. Now Ben

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Speaker 3: GDP is out. We're officially out of recession. Are you

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Speaker 3: feeling sort of its party time or what do you reckon?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, we've been sort of dipping in, dipping out, sort

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Speaker 11: of narrowly avoiding technical recessions for a lot of the

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Speaker 11: last two turn a bit years. I mean, look this,

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Speaker 11: even with the economic growth in the last.

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Speaker 15: Quarter of.

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Speaker 11: Twenty twenty four, you know, that gets us back to

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Speaker 11: the early part of twenty twenty three in terms of

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Speaker 11: the actual GDP, you know, and per capita GDP really encouraging,

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Speaker 11: you know, up point four percent in the last quarter.

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Speaker 11: I think that's the first time since June twenty three

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Speaker 11: that we had a gain rather than a drop in

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Speaker 11: per capita GDP. So look, you know, if you think

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Speaker 11: if you think you're doing it tough, you're not imagining

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Speaker 11: it this. You know, we're we're really at the bottom

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Speaker 11: floring our way back up now. And look, there's a

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Speaker 11: lot of challenges ahead. Unfortunately, you know, we saw we

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Speaker 11: saw a lot of pressure with the situation last year.

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Speaker 11: Looks like we might be headed for a repeat of that.

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Speaker 11: That makes things tougher both in terms of costs, jobs,

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Speaker 11: you know, Look, it's a white knuckle rad I think

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Speaker 11: the government's doing everything they can to kind of promote growth, investment,

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Speaker 11: get things moving. But look, you know we're really hostages

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Speaker 11: to fortune, and by fortune, I mean the international situation,

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Speaker 11: which is you know, doing its best to push back

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Speaker 11: on the on the on the improvements that we're making.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a bit of uncertainty globally, of course, which might

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Speaker 3: see a reversal unfortunes. But Alie, at least we've stopped digging,

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Speaker 3: haven't we.

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Speaker 21: No Look, and I Ben knows a hell of a

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Speaker 21: lot more about this than I do, But actually my

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Speaker 21: eyes glaze over when someone says GDP or in the

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Speaker 21: last quarter of personality. All I care about is what

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Speaker 21: are my chops going to cost?

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Speaker 17: What are the cost of mutter?

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Speaker 21: And why the hell can't I buy a decent piece

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Speaker 21: of fish in this country that is an island. So

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Speaker 21: I say that off handedly, but actually I think that's

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Speaker 21: the key here, because you know, meat and dairy are

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Speaker 21: based on global prices. How the hell does the GDP

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Speaker 21: rate help this? Now, I'm sure there's an economical or

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Speaker 21: rather a question that could be answered by by an

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Speaker 21: economist on that, but I'm not convinced by this. We

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Speaker 21: might be promoting growth and investment, but like I said,

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Speaker 21: that doesn't mean anything to the family of three that's

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Speaker 21: trying to buy butter and bread at the corner shop.

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Speaker 21: So and I don't think the government's doing everything they should.

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Speaker 21: What's the grocery commissioner doing, where's the electricity regulations in

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Speaker 21: place here? So it's all very well trumpeting this, you know,

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Speaker 21: starting to move out of recession. Let's actually start to

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Speaker 21: see something that helps people every day, people be able.

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Speaker 3: To feed their care I guess that is the unquantifiable thing,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. You see numbers that come out and you

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Speaker 3: hear zero point seven percent, and for most people, I

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Speaker 3: don't know when it actually percolates through to people actually

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Speaker 3: feeling better. Ben, But what do you think it will

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Speaker 3: take for people to start actually feeling it? Because we

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Speaker 3: saw that consumer confidence was down? What do you reckon? E?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 11: That's the real key, isn't it? To a large extent?

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Speaker 11: You know, this sort of thing can be a bit psychological.

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Speaker 11: People think that things aren't going to get better, so

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Speaker 11: they think I need to save my money not spend it,

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Speaker 11: and you know that hurts businesses, that hurts retail, and

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Speaker 11: we get into this sort of you know, death cycle

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Speaker 11: that we've been in just for years now. So look,

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Speaker 11: what we need is sort of confidence that the economy

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Speaker 11: is picking up. Then people will start recruiting, businesses will

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Speaker 11: start you know, hopefully expanding. They might take on a

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Speaker 11: bit more debt to start providing more services, and that's

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Speaker 11: the only way out.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, will land shops be cheaper than what will land

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Speaker 21: shops be costing?

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Speaker 8: And mins?

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Speaker 21: I'm not paying twenty three bucks a kilo for mins.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what, Alie, you have given us

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Speaker 3: a gift because I think I'm going to judge my

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Speaker 3: next time I write something about the economy, and I'll

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Speaker 3: be with the heading what are the what are my

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Speaker 3: chops gonna cost? I mean, normally it's eggs, milk and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I'm glad you're into the lamb chops.

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Speaker 21: I love a good lamb shop.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 21: I do like a good land shop.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, Look, let's let's move along to Australian. Australian PM

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Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnbull is not making it easy on the diplomacy front.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you heard my chat that I

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Speaker 3: had with him after five o'clock, but you know he's

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Speaker 3: talking about he's got the right to free speech, he's

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Speaker 3: not the government, and he thinks that people should actually

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Speaker 3: stand up to Trump, who's a bully. How much do

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Speaker 3: you alid how much do you think that this makes

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Speaker 3: makes it hard for governments to do business with the

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Speaker 3: White House.

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Speaker 21: Oh well, I loved hearing Malcolm Turnbull speak. Yay for

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Speaker 21: the days that you know, politicians actually said what they

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Speaker 21: meant and meant what they say. Of course, he's in

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Speaker 21: a different situation now, not being the Prime Minister, and

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Speaker 21: that does put a you know, give him a different

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Speaker 21: position to be in to speak. But you know, I

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Speaker 21: don't know what the saying is, and I should, but

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Speaker 21: you've got to speak up for people because if you

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Speaker 21: don't or speak against people, before you know it, you're

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Speaker 21: the only one left and no one's there to speak

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Speaker 21: for you. Whatever that's saying is, you know, And how

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Speaker 21: did Hitler take a hold of Europe? I applaud anyone

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Speaker 21: that stands up to this orange buffoon to be frank,

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Speaker 21: and I think that I applaud Malcolm Turnbull. I don't

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Speaker 21: think it makes it easy for the Australian government, but hell,

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Speaker 21: politics isn't easy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Ben? Do you think he

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Speaker 3: should call us jets a bit because he might be different,

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Speaker 3: if he might be communicating differently if he was actually

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Speaker 3: in power, wouldn't he.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, we see this quite a lot, I think

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Speaker 11: in New Zealand as well. Often politicians will sort of say,

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Speaker 11: you know, what their successes should be doing that you know,

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Speaker 11: they might have done if they had gotten around to it,

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Speaker 11: although they were a bit quiet at the time. And

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Speaker 11: you know, I don't think there's any sort of particular

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Speaker 11: bravery in speaking out, you know, once you're no longer

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Speaker 11: in power. I mean that that said. You know, look,

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Speaker 11: I agree with Ellie.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 15: I don't.

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Speaker 11: I don't think. I don't think that we suffer from

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Speaker 11: having people pointing out what's happening in the States, which

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Speaker 11: actually is starting to be you know, to go beyond

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Speaker 11: just you know, you're far beyond just sort of buffoonery

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Speaker 11: and the sort of o fishness of the first term

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Speaker 11: of the Trump administration into something that's really pretty unsettling,

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Speaker 11: you know, really authoritarian things happening there in terms of

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Speaker 11: people being detained without trial.

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Speaker 3: Well, criticory of judges, calling for impeachment of judges who

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Speaker 3: decide against him. It's yeah, I think we have to

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Speaker 3: lean in that direction of probably out Mark and might

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Speaker 3: be right on that one. Hey, Ali and Ben, thanks

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Speaker 3: so much. That's been Thomas, former National Party staffer, and

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Speaker 3: Alie Jones from red PR. That is the huddle we'll

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Speaker 3: be back in just a moment. It's six and a

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Speaker 3: half to six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Yes and welcome back to Welcome back to Drive onton beverage.

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Speaker 3: Just in case you have just joined us. By the way,

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Speaker 3: if we need a far extinguisher for the text machine

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Speaker 3: for people who maybe you've been a little bit activated

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Speaker 3: by some of the comments from my huddlists there on

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Speaker 3: the whole Trump thing and Malcolm Turnbull. Incidentally, if you're

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Speaker 3: interested in is it on this topic, there's an interesting

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Speaker 3: bit of a revelations come out of Science Alert, you

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Speaker 3: know how, the idea about when you're feeling a bit

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Speaker 3: angry about something, you're supposed to vent it. Well, apparently

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Speaker 3: the scientific sort of findings are in there's been a

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Speaker 3: higher State university has analyze one hundred and fifty four

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Speaker 3: studies on anger and has actually found little evidence that

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Speaker 3: venting helps and in fact, in some case it could

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Speaker 3: increase anger. So just a note to self on that stuff.

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Speaker 3: When you're getting bit frustrated, you think you're venting on something,

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe that's not quite working for you. Should just

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Speaker 3: focus on calming down a little bit. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why to mention that about anger, but it just seemed

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Speaker 3: to pop into my mind and I saw that saw

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Speaker 3: that piece anyway, Well, now I.

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Speaker 6: Was starting to worry. Tom. We're doing okay? Is your

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Speaker 6: producers today?

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Speaker 17: Are we?

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Speaker 6: You're not venting about us?

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Speaker 8: Ay you?

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Speaker 2: No? No?

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Speaker 3: I actually no, But I'm trying to find the space from.

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Speaker 6: The sounds of it's not going to do you any

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Speaker 6: good to vent about it.

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Speaker 3: To stop it now, it wouldn't. Well, I'm more nervous

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Speaker 3: about what's coming to me from the production booth, just

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Speaker 3: in case I get on the wrong signe of Ants millicites.

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Speaker 3: But you know, because he doesn't, you don't die wondering

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Speaker 3: what Ants is thinking. But that's a positive Ants. That's

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Speaker 3: a bit of praise for you. Anyway, Before I dig

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Speaker 3: myself and do any more holes, we'll be back with

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Speaker 3: Fonterra's chief executive, Miles Hurrels with us and his reflections

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Speaker 3: and comments and predictions for what that result means, that

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Speaker 3: cracker result for Fonterra. This is new Stalks Heat b Drive.

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Speaker 3: It's a two and a half to.

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Speaker 3: Newstalk s dB Yes, welcome back to drive at seven

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Speaker 3: past six. I'm Tim Beverige. By the way, if you

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Speaker 3: want to text your feedback nine two nine two, and

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Speaker 3: you can email me if you're not in a hurry,

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Speaker 3: timb at newstalk, saidb dot co dot NZ. Dairy giant

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Speaker 3: Fonterra has delivered a cracker result. Net profit was up

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Speaker 3: eight percent in its first half result to seven hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty nine million dollars, a dividend of twenty two

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Speaker 3: cents a shell be paid, and the forecast farmgate milk

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Speaker 3: price is sitting at a mid point of ten dollars

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Speaker 3: per kilo. Myles Harrel is fon Terra's chief executive. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Tim, Nice to celebrate some good news.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, look, we're really pleased. She put out this half

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Speaker 22: year result up on the pre YEA and across all

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Speaker 22: our three sort of key channels performing pretty well. So no,

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Speaker 22: we are we are please to put out this result

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Speaker 22: given things sort of bubbling along a little bit in

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Speaker 22: New Zealand context.

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Speaker 3: What's driving that strong performance?

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Speaker 22: Well, I think it's sort of a macro level, you know,

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Speaker 22: a good, strong demand for good, healthy product made here

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Speaker 22: in New Zealand, I think is probably the way I

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Speaker 22: describe it at a high level. But you know, boots

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Speaker 22: on the ground and some of our key markets, you know,

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Speaker 22: pushing the great news story of how we farm here

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Speaker 22: in New Zealand, that the benefits of theiry, the benefits

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Speaker 22: of protein. You know, it's all all wrapped up in

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Speaker 22: that same sort of story around what we do here

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Speaker 22: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So the forecast at a record high. What's your message

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Speaker 3: to farmers on what to do with such good news

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Speaker 3: and the money that's going to flow in.

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Speaker 22: Well, clearly farmers will make their own calls. But we

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Speaker 22: have come off the back, if we remember off a

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Speaker 22: couple of sort of tough years where you know, costs

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Speaker 22: on farm of a sort of skyrocket. Go back to

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Speaker 22: eighty months or so, that inflatory pressure that we saw

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Speaker 22: in New Zealand was exacerbated in rural and rural and

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Speaker 22: the landscape. So you know, they're going to need some

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Speaker 22: decent payers to sort of catch up a little bit

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Speaker 22: from where they've come from. So they'll see it as

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Speaker 22: a positive, but at the same time that these are

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Speaker 22: you know, it's a long term game that they'll be

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Speaker 22: looking through the sort of the short term thinking, you know,

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Speaker 22: to the cyclical business, so we need to watch it

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Speaker 22: into the long term. There's some political clouds on the

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Speaker 22: horizon that may come out away or may not. So

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Speaker 22: you know that they're they're smart business people on their

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Speaker 22: own right, and so they'll they'll they'll take this with

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Speaker 22: open arms and be thankful, I'm sure, but at the

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Speaker 22: same time they'll be looking forward to the next few years.

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Speaker 22: But beyond here now always.

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Speaker 3: Feel as a risky game doing the predictions, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Dare in New Zealand's reported this week they reckon next

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Speaker 3: you will be another record season. Are you as optimistic

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Speaker 3: well of our city today?

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Speaker 22: You know, thing the supply demand position that we see

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Speaker 22: internationally does look in a pretty good position. We've seen

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Speaker 22: the rearmusements of China after again a flowish start last year,

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Speaker 22: so all of those things sort of point in the

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Speaker 22: right direction. But as I refer you know, some of

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Speaker 22: those clouds on the horizon from a geopolitics perspective, you know,

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Speaker 22: the macrec and I'm positioned then they're not that bright

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Speaker 22: and so I have one or two or three of

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Speaker 22: those that have come to the into play. You know,

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Speaker 22: could push things back a little bit. But as a

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Speaker 22: city today, you know, think things are healthy. And I

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Speaker 22: saw that number from darien Zed and Farmer should be

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Speaker 22: see some confidence in that. But where we will be

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Speaker 22: another couple of months away. I guess before we put

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Speaker 22: out our own forecast for next year, which lot can

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Speaker 22: happen in a couple of months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Trump and tariffs. Do you sort of

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Speaker 3: try and model predictions on what could happen and how

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Speaker 3: much it might impact your business?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, we do. We sort of run a few scenarios.

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Speaker 22: In all scenarios. You know, when you put sort of

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Speaker 22: tariffs on on business around the world at it's not

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Speaker 22: a great outcome at the highest level, you know. That said,

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Speaker 22: we've pride ourselves as an organization for the last one

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Speaker 22: hundred and fifty years on sort of navigating tricky parts

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Speaker 22: of business, and so you know, we'd like to see

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Speaker 22: that we can see our way through that. We've done

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Speaker 22: it for the last six or twelve months when things

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Speaker 22: haven't been so easy, So you know, I like them

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Speaker 22: we can see our way through that because.

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Speaker 3: You'll be watching developments in India closely. Dairy and India

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Speaker 3: seem to be the two words that don't go together

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Speaker 3: too well. Are you optimistic about the noises you're hearing

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Speaker 3: about a trade deal?

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Speaker 22: Well, well, very pleasing to see that that therey is

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Speaker 22: included in the negotiations because I guess that was the

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Speaker 22: first hurdle to overcome, and so so please to see

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Speaker 22: Prime Minister and this team have done that. We recognize

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Speaker 22: that it's going to be a tough conversation that needs

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Speaker 22: to be had, but you know, they've got a growing

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Speaker 22: middle class. They're going to need more fat, more protein

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Speaker 22: into their diets over time. I don't think that the

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Speaker 22: Indian dairy industry can keep up with that, and so

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Speaker 22: you know, we're not We're not looking to be in

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Speaker 22: there as a wholesale player. We're looking in to support

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Speaker 22: them in their own industry goals. So you know, I'd

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Speaker 22: like to think that those conversations are rational at the

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Speaker 22: right time. But we're here confident at this point.

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Speaker 3: Great and just quickly, where are things at with the

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Speaker 3: sale of your consumer brands?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, so we're going hard on the dual track, and

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Speaker 22: by that we mean looking at it at a trade

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Speaker 22: sale and so we're in discussions now with some interst

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Speaker 22: Advice that are starting to put their bids forward and

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Speaker 22: at the same time running the IPO process. So the

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Speaker 22: road shows are underway and I think the team are

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Speaker 22: in Australia this week in an Asia next talking to

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Speaker 22: the market and so we should have some clarity within

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Speaker 22: a couple of months or to which way we go.

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Speaker 22: But well advanced and results that we've put out today

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Speaker 22: go a long way to sort of supporting and cementing

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Speaker 22: that it's a great business that we have there.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Miles, thanks so much for your time. That is

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Speaker 3: Miles HRRLD, Chief executive of fon Terror Up. Next, Liam

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Speaker 3: Dan has been looking into how economists have been responding

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Speaker 3: to some of the positive news, which might argue with

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Speaker 3: somewhat surprising as well on our positive GDP figures Lim

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Speaker 3: Some time to say good afternoon or is it good

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Speaker 3: evening now? To Liam Dan New Zealand Herald Business Editor

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Speaker 3: at large, Liam Highday, tim so well, New Zealand's climbed

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Speaker 3: out of recession. Woohoo.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, it's really hard to know. Look that it was

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Speaker 23: a better than expected result. It's definitely a good thing.

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Speaker 23: Let's say we're who before we get into the final

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Speaker 23: details of going through the economist reports that they're very

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Speaker 23: quick to move into cautious mode and start telling us,

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Speaker 23: you know why, we can't be celebrating yet. But look,

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Speaker 23: it's better than the alternative, which was that it came

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Speaker 23: in worse than expected. I think people were probably feeling

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Speaker 23: a bit more gloomy, certainly in the cities.

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Speaker 15: I think.

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Speaker 3: So the economy grew zero point seven in the December quarter,

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Speaker 3: better than the economists had predicted. Nikola Willis was upbeat

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Speaker 3: on the show an hour ago, tells.

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Speaker 18: Us that we're turning the corner, which is what New

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Speaker 18: Zealanders need after a very tough time with high inflation,

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Speaker 18: high interest rates and.

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Speaker 8: Growth bouncing along the bottom.

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Speaker 18: The numbers today are better than was forecast and tell

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Speaker 18: us that recovery is underway.

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Speaker 3: So actually she didn't sound as upbeat as I thought

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Speaker 3: she would be. Maybe because we're still digging ourselves out.

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Speaker 23: She knows, she's got to be a bit cautious. Right, Yeah, Look, look,

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Speaker 23: this quarter we're currently in has felt like it hasn't

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Speaker 23: been a boomer. We've seen some fairly grim consumer confidence

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Speaker 23: numbers in the last week or so, and there's just

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Speaker 23: a feeling that maybe you know, the uncertainty around well,

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Speaker 23: the global economy, but also things like you know, New

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Speaker 23: Zealand's housing market just hasn't surged back quite as quickly

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Speaker 23: as people might have hoped from the lower interest rates.

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Speaker 23: And you know, the things that underpinned this GDP result

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Speaker 23: were stronger tourism, which which sort of lifted retail spending

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Speaker 23: and spending by tourists lifted some of the categories. And

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Speaker 23: of course the really good you know, dairy and meat

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Speaker 23: export conditions we've had and prices we've had has lifted

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Speaker 23: the primary sector. But then you know, in the cities,

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Speaker 23: which is where I'm doing most of my living, you know,

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Speaker 23: people are still struggling, you know, with the cost of

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Speaker 23: living and with sort of insecurity about jobs and rising

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Speaker 23: unemployment and those sort of things. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 23: it's not necessarily a straight line recovery, and we have

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Speaker 23: to be prepared for, you know, maybe to stare a

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Speaker 23: little bit. I'd like to think we don't go back,

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Speaker 23: you know, we will keep growing.

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Speaker 3: I think, well, you know, it's hard for the average

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Speaker 3: sort of person to work out what their reactions should be.

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Speaker 3: So what's the reaction of the country's economists.

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Speaker 23: Well, yes, definitely cautious. You know, there's saying I think

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Speaker 23: they're agreeing that is, you know, it is a corner

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Speaker 23: turned or the first step on a road to recovery.

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Speaker 23: I think that the Kiwibank guys said, and even Stephen

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Speaker 23: Topless at Benz, who's pretty pretty cautious, he was saying

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Speaker 23: it's the start of recovery. But you know, he points

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Speaker 23: out that on the current numbers, you know, on the

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Speaker 23: GDP per capita, you've got to get to twenty twenty

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Speaker 23: eight before we're back to the to the kind of

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Speaker 23: peaks we had before the downturn started. So that's a

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Speaker 23: long slow recovery on a per capita basis, which it

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Speaker 23: was nice to see per capita GDP turn, but that's

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Speaker 23: partly a fact a function of few you know, slow

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Speaker 23: population growth, so that sort of sorts itself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I enjoyed the I think it was

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Speaker 3: Qbank's economists he said, we're crawling out of recession, which

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Speaker 3: was sort of we're putting it. What are the chances

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Speaker 3: of the number being vised down later on, because you

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Speaker 3: know we've seen it happen before him.

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Speaker 23: We yeah, look, it's entirely possible. I mean could could

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Speaker 23: be revised up to I mean that the difficulty is,

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Speaker 23: it seems to be that capturing everything that moves in

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Speaker 23: the economy is a very difficult task and you've got

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Speaker 23: to get it for the record, absolutely right. So if

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Speaker 23: it's if it turns out that they've they need longer

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Speaker 23: and you know, it becomes fair that it could could

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Speaker 23: be revised. But I wouldn't panic about that. It's it's

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Speaker 23: it's it's like we had some bad revisions that that

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Speaker 23: you know, that that really slammed home the pain of

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Speaker 23: the recession in the middle of last year. But the

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01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 23: latest numbers there wasn't too much revision there to the

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01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 23: to the earlier numbers. I think I think, you know,

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Speaker 23: we are seeing you know, new Zealand does tend to

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01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 23: hum when the dairy industry hums, and that's obviously good

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 23: tourism coming back to sort of pre COVID levels at

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 23: least you can say this is the basics of the

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 23: economy coming right. So if the if these things continue

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01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 23: to stay buoyant and the interest rates continue to fall,

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01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 23: then you start to get the frothier stuff, the consumer

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 23: spending and things, you know, central city workers and things

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01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 23: starting to feel more confident, and hopefully that follows and

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01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 23: this might be the kind of psychological boost that helps us.

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Speaker 15: On our way.

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Speaker 3: Excellent. Hey, thanks so much, Liam. That's Liam down New

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01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 3: Zealand hera Business editor at large. Next Jamie mckaiy from

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01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 3: the Country dot co dot en z. It's twenty one

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01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 3: and a half past six.

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health, home of the

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: new All Flags rapid evotags.

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Speaker 3: Yes, welcome back, Tim Beverage and for Ryan Bridge now

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01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: the host of the Country. Jamie McKay good evening, good eten,

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01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 3: nice to chat. Yeah you too. Hey, what's your take

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01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: on the Fonterra result?

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01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 15: Well, I heard you talking to Miles.

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 24: I had him on my show today. Look, I think

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01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 24: the one thing that it's worth emphasizing, and that is,

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01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 24: you know, not the milk price. It's pretty much locked

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01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 24: and loaded at ten dollars. They've narrowed the band down there,

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01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 24: but the dividend. So last week Fonterra came out and

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 24: said it's shifting its earning guidance per share to fifty

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 24: five to seventy five cents per share. From that, their

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01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 24: dividend policy is to pay sixty to eighty percent of.

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01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 17: That as a dividend.

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 24: Now, I did the mats on this one off on

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01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 24: the back of the envelope, sort of mats, but I

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01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 24: think I'm not a mile away. This is a possible

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01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 24: range term of thirty three to sixty cents per share

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01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,839
Speaker 24: as a dividend. But the big difference is, as opposed

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 24: to other years, this is fully imputed, so the tax

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01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 24: is paid on it. This is a tax paid payment.

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01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 15: To the farmers.

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01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 24: Now, if we were right at the top of that

1549
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 24: band and Fonterra is performing pretty well, it's sixty cents.

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01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 24: They're shares were trading at about five bucks when I

1551
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 24: looked the mid afternoon, haven't looked since, but sixty cents

1552
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 24: tax paid on a five dollars share is like a

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01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 24: twelve percent tax paid yield or dividend, So that's a

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 24: very good return on top of your milk price for

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 24: the Fonterra farmers. The other interesting one that he didn't

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 24: mention for your listeners was the forecast milk collections one

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01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 24: point five one zero million kilograms of milk solids. That's

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01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 24: up two point seven percent across the board in New

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01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 24: Zealand despite the North Island drought. And all it means,

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01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 24: tim is that the farmers are doing the maths on

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 24: this one. They're running out of grass. It's getting very dry,

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01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,799
Speaker 24: and like Sawaikato, Taranaki, those sort of areas, they're pumping

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01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 24: it in the front end of the cow and out

1564
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 24: the other end comes some poop and some milk in

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01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 24: between times. And that is just a mathematical equation.

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01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 15: It's working.

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Speaker 24: So the farmers are feeding supplements to milk their cows

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Speaker 24: at ten bucks.

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Speaker 3: Hey, just quickly on the India possibility of a trade deal.

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01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 3: The government is sounded quite bullish about that, and of

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01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 3: course the dairies. The big question are you quietly sort

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 3: of optimistic about this?

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01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 24: Well, I mean, India is the biggest milk producer in

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01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 24: the world. It produces, off the top of my head,

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 24: twenty four percent of the world's milk production. They're aiming

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 24: to get that up to thirty percent by twenty thirty.

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01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 24: I can't see them wanting to do a free trade

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 24: This is just me being slightly pessimistic a free trade

1579
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 24: agreement on milk. But I think the real advantage for

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01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 24: US would be to get likes of a free trade

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 24: agreement on lamb. The Aussies have got one at the moment.

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01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 24: That would be great for us. Beefs are a bit

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01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 24: awkward with the sacred cow sort of thing happening in India.

1584
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 24: And the other one is horticultures. Espree have just come

1585
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 24: out with their new season forecasts. They've got a record crop,

1586
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 24: really good payout. If we could get a kiwi fruit

1587
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 24: and our apples into India Tara free one point four

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 24: billion miles to chill on them, we would be cooking

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01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 24: with gas.

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01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 3: Gosh, that would be exciting, wouldn't it. Anyway, Jamie, thanks

1591
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 3: so much for your time. That's Jamie. He needs no introduction.

1592
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: It's probably Mees you needs to introduce myself. He's the

1593
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 3: host of the country. I'm Tim Beverage. And in case

1594
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 3: you're reckon listening to that voicecond that doesn't sound like Ryan,

1595
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 3: who's in for Heather, Well, it's Tim and for Ryan

1596
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 3: and for Heather. Anyway, there's a long, way winded way

1597
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: about describing that. We're going to be back to talking

1598
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 3: about the possibility of India New Zealand direct flights. It

1599
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 3: seems India and New Zealand. Boy, they're really making the

1600
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 3: headlines at the moment and now we're talking travel. That'll

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01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 3: be next. The India Business Council chair joins us. This

1602
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 3: is News Talks ed B. It's a twenty eight past

1603
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 3: six morning player in my life.

1604
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

1605
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: on the business hours with mass insurance and vespers. Grow

1606
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

1607
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 15: News Talks B.

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 3: Let's welcome back to drive on Tim Beveragin for a Ryan.

1609
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 3: It's twenty four to seven. Don't forget En de Brady

1610
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 3: from the UK, joins us before we wrap up the show.

1611
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: He'll be with us about quarter two, quarter to seven.

1612
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: Just on the business side of things. There's frustrating news.

1613
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 3: These stories can't of irritate me all the time. But

1614
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 3: it's been a rejection of a consent for a southern

1615
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: wind farm, which well, the contact boss he's not happy

1616
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 3: about it at all and he reckons that it sends

1617
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 3: the messages that New Zealand is not open for business

1618
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,440
Speaker 3: because of the law and the way it's being interpreted.

1619
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 3: So just to let you know the background of this.

1620
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: On Tuesday, there was a fast Track Consenting Panel convened

1621
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 3: under the now replaced covid Era law which rejected contacts

1622
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 3: application to build a one billion dollar wind farm, which

1623
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 3: is capable of generating three hundred megawatts across the proposed

1624
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 3: fifty five turbines. Local councils and EWE had approved the project,

1625
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 3: but the expert panel said part of the farm would

1626
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 3: have interfered with here we go and outstanding natural feature

1627
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: candidate area on the jed pronounce the plateau jed Berg

1628
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Jedburgh Jedburgh Plateau and also this impact of significant indigenous

1629
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: vegetation and fauna could not be offset or compensated for.

1630
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 3: It just feels like the stuff's a no win, isn't it.

1631
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 3: I still remember going back there was a wind farm planned. Yes,

1632
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 3: is going back years for the tiree plane and Anton Oliver.

1633
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 3: The forhen were all black. Hesage was part of the

1634
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 3: group that successfully objected to it because it would spoil

1635
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: the view, would change that iconic view. I guess, Look,

1636
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 3: this is the balance we're always trying to strike, isn't

1637
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 3: it is trying to find that way how we can

1638
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: use our resources. But you know, using resources doesn't it

1639
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 3: does entail change in places, doesn't it. Anyway, they're not

1640
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 3: going to give up on it. The company is going

1641
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: to seek a consent under the new fast track consent

1642
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:53,760
Speaker 3: process and the as the as they say, look, we'll

1643
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 3: go through the process will take a year, two years,

1644
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 3: we'll spend another ten million dollars on lawyers fees, consultants fees,

1645
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:03,520
Speaker 3: and there'll be another dozen late model oudiys and BMW's

1646
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: going down and Remua Road and the terrace when we've

1647
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 3: finished this. So I don't think the boss of Contact,

1648
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 3: I don't think he's taking the new as well as

1649
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 3: he But hopefully we'll get it to go ahead because

1650
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 3: it's green energy. God, we've got to get invested in it,

1651
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: don't we. Anyway, it is twenty two minutes to seven

1652
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 3: Beverage and we're one step closer to direct flights between

1653
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 3: New Zealand and India. Air New Zealand and Air India

1654
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,679
Speaker 3: working together to get flights off the ground in twenty

1655
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: twenty eight. Yes, yeah, it's still three years away, but

1656
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 3: Air New Zealand hasn't got any planes to make it

1657
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 3: happen sooner. India New Zealand Business Council chair Baratchaila is

1658
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 3: with us. Good evening.

1659
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 17: Hey get you good, good mining from India to the woman.

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01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 3: All right, okay, well good morning to you. How popular

1661
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: to expect this flight, this route to be.

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01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 17: I think we been hodging for vulging or roading kids

1663
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 17: from from long time. It'll be a lot.

1664
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 25: See if you see the Indian dies for which is

1665
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 25: around three hundred thousand fair and take people there around

1666
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 25: six persons of the population even we take one way

1667
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 25: or to return right, there will be a lot of movement.

1668
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 25: And with the amount of tourism promotion have been going on,

1669
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 25: we expect this number will be bigger and stronger.

1670
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 3: I mean how much of this is mating a demand

1671
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 3: and how much is going to actually create huge demand.

1672
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 25: See, there are multiple layers here, depend upon how we

1673
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 25: open tourism, how the visa process works in.

1674
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 17: India.

1675
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 25: I give an example compared to Vietnam. Vietnam open a

1676
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 25: direct flight the business or unfolded multi five weeks to

1677
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 25: ten x.

1678
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,639
Speaker 17: If you see that within six months to one year.

1679
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 25: Wow, So the multiplication can be done faster because Indian

1680
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 25: community or Indians in India will be one of the

1681
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 25: largest traveling population in coming years.

1682
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 3: How currently, how long does it take to get from

1683
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 3: between MW Zealand and India.

1684
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 25: Apparently I believe if I say the minimum time is

1685
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 25: it hoursts the maximum can be roughly twenty four to

1686
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 25: thirty two hours.

1687
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: What will that reduce to? Sorry, friendshrapting, It.

1688
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 17: Can go up to twelve to fourteen hours or sixteen

1689
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 17: hours max. Depend upon you. Again, this is a flight,

1690
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,560
Speaker 17: and then what kind of aircraft is used on?

1691
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 3: Who's the target group for these flights?

1692
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: Is it?

1693
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 3: Can you define it? Or is it broad based?

1694
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,560
Speaker 25: It will be broad based because what we're seeing is

1695
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 25: that the business which is seeing the bit of challenges

1696
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 25: of having multiple layovers and going on that is not

1697
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 25: also taking place because of the the flight connectivity. At

1698
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 25: the same time, again, the target group is still the

1699
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 25: community and the diaspora, but education, immigration and like tourism

1700
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 25: will get a lot more boost if things go right.

1701
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 3: Fantastic. Look, you've been in India with the Prime Minister

1702
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 3: for the last few days. The impression we get back

1703
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 3: here is that things are pretty bullish, that there's a

1704
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 3: really good feel about it. How's the trip been from

1705
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:00,799
Speaker 3: your perspective?

1706
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 25: Uh, it is bullish. It is a positive going on.

1707
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 25: I will say that both the governments are actually enough

1708
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 25: phase and favor to work at a speed. I believe

1709
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 25: you might have heard the speech of mister Goel, who's

1710
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 25: a trade and counterpart for to Minister Tomicla. Uh, they

1711
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 25: wanted to be done faster. But again what we are

1712
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 25: seeing is that it should not be done in a

1713
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 25: two rush.

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01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 17: It should be well thought deal.

1715
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: Whatever happens, do you have your own guess on how

1716
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 3: long it's going to take to put a deal together?

1717
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 25: I think because then there are examples from twenty sixteen

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Speaker 25: and there's a recent example for Australia something a circle

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Speaker 25: of twelve months.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 25: Time should be a good time for this. Yeah, all

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Speaker 25: the things should happen, which is which is a good

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01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 25: enough time for things? Because we have a lot of

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01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 25: now in Indias and multiple FTAs, so it's it's a

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01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 25: good they have some what do you called pre drafted things,

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Speaker 25: are there or not much to be done from.

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Speaker 3: Zeil okay, yeah, because they're starting with some other some

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01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 3: stuff already sort of mapped out, I guess, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 17: I believe them.

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Speaker 25: Sometimes the Australia has also been already done, so we

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01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:12,560
Speaker 25: know what they've got and what we can get a

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Speaker 25: manufite out of it.

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Speaker 3: Excellent. Well, that sounds very positive. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Barratt. That is baruch Or. He's an Indian New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Business Council chair and he's currently in India with

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Speaker 3: our delegation in clearing Christopher Luxen. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: the only thing I would say when I watched some

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01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 3: of the footage was when I was watching this is

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01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: completely it's related, but watching Luxen, who apparently is not

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Speaker 3: bad at the old street cricket, but I was a

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01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 3: bit nervous. He was taking some pretty big swings and

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Speaker 3: I thought the whole trip could have gone very badly

1743
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 3: if he had hit some kid in their head with

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01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 3: a cricket ball, because he was going to hit that

1745
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 3: thing out of the park, even though they were just

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01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 3: on the street. But there we go. You wonder about

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01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 3: how these things can general.

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Speaker 6: Do you think that the Indian street cricket has the

1749
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 6: same rules as Kiwi backyard cricket where if he'd hit

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01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 6: the ball and it had broken a car window or

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01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 6: a building when you get six runs, but then you

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01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 6: go out like yeah, six and out for over the

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Speaker 6: fence or into a window. Possibly, yeah, I think you're out.

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Speaker 3: And probably if you take out take the head off

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01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 3: someone who's an important part of the other delegation he's

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01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 3: playing with you, that's probably a negative as well. That's

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01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 3: an instant dismissal, probably for us all.

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Speaker 6: Not great prospects for the free trade deal either if

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Speaker 6: that happens.

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Speaker 3: No exactly, that was sort of where I was leaning. Anyway, Look,

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Speaker 3: we'll be back in just to tick. Ander Brady is

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Speaker 3: joining us from the UK at sixteen and a half

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Speaker 3: minutes to seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 3: Welcome back at fourteen minutes to seven. Thanks for the

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01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: person who reminded me it was Boris Johnson who bowled

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Speaker 3: over a kid on some strip when he was playing sport.

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Speaker 3: He was a bit of a liability to himself, wasn't

1771
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 3: he Anyway? Time to go to the UK with Ender

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Speaker 3: Brady Goody.

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01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 15: Hey Tim, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: You too now. The teenager who murdered his family and

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Speaker 3: planned a school shooting has been jailed for forty nine years.

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Speaker 15: The detail of this and the planning that Nicholas Prosper

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Speaker 15: had put into what he was wanting to do is

1778
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 15: utterly shocking. It's chilling. This court case he will serve

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Speaker 15: a minimum of forty nine years before even being eligible

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Speaker 15: for a parole. Goes back to September of last year,

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Speaker 15: town called Luton, just north of London, and Nicholas Prosper

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Speaker 15: had managed to fake a firearm certificates and he had

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Speaker 15: managed to dupe a seller into selling him a shotgun

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Speaker 15: and about one hundred cartridges. So that was the first

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Speaker 15: offense he started planning, and the intention was to basically

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Speaker 15: wipe out his family and then go back to his

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01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 15: primary school. So this is a nineteen year old and

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Speaker 15: he wants to go back to his primary school and

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Speaker 15: murder four and five year olds. And the ambition was

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Speaker 15: that he wanted to become the most notorious school shooter

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Speaker 15: ever anywhere. So he shot at his mother, he shot

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Speaker 15: at his sister and brother, and the noise that all

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Speaker 15: of that created in the apartment block they were living in.

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Speaker 15: The police ended up being called by neighbors and it

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01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 15: was only then after he was arrested that police found

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Speaker 15: all the evidence of the planning he was putting into

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Speaker 15: going back to the primary school and basically wiping out

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Speaker 15: toddlers and their teachers. Absolutely horrific. The judge said, he

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Speaker 15: showed no remorse whatsoever. Forty nine years he will serve minimum,

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Speaker 15: so he will be sixty eight before he's even eligible

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Speaker 15: to think about parole.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, it sounds like such a trivial point, but you

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01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 3: wonder how they get to forty nine without rounding it

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01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 3: up to fifty. But hopefully he won't see the lot

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01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: of day again. The Tour de France is that still

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Speaker 3: a Tour of France when it goes to the UK.

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Speaker 15: Well, they have this tradition now where the opening stages

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01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 15: are played out in a different country outside of France,

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01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 15: and it's because it's been to Denmark, it was in Florence,

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Speaker 15: in Italy. It's kind of become the tradition in a way.

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Speaker 15: And we learned today that in twenty twenty seven the

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Speaker 15: Tour de France, the Grand des Pars as they call it,

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Speaker 15: the opening stage will be in Edinburgh in Scotland. Stage

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Speaker 15: two will be in England and then they will DeCamp

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01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 15: to Wales for stage three. So, in addition to the

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Speaker 15: three stages of the men's race starting in the UK,

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Speaker 15: the Tour de France Femme, which is the women's version,

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Speaker 15: that too will start in the UK and organizers are

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01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 15: saying that this will be the greatest, biggest free sporting

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Speaker 15: event the UK has ever witnessed, So for citing fans

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Speaker 15: everywhere something to look forward to. Get it in the diary.

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Speaker 15: The UK will be hosting the opening stages of the

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Speaker 15: men's and women's Tour de France in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: It does sound magnificent. Will you be on the sideline

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01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 3: banging your bongo, a, your tambourine or something like that

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Speaker 3: that they often do.

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Speaker 17: Do you know what?

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Speaker 15: I've so much admiration for cyclists. I spent two decades

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Speaker 15: of my life at Sky and for ten years we

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Speaker 15: had Team Sky and you see the levels of training.

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01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 15: Ryal marra tim these there are levels of fitness that

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Speaker 15: cyclists have blows my mind. And the dedication and what

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01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 15: you and I would consider, you know, a little snack.

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01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 15: They're analyzing the calories. It's a Christmas Day treat, you know.

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Speaker 15: Amazing men and women.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well what's your time for the marathon?

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Speaker 15: Three hours twenty two forty three seconds.

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Speaker 3: That is that's not just an easy job. Good on you. Hey,

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01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 3: what's the story about? Do we need a role model

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Speaker 3: to keep our children away from toxic masculinity influences?

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Speaker 15: So a huge talking point this week sparked by a

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Speaker 15: guy called Gareth Southgate who is a very admirable man.

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01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 15: He ran the England men's soccer team here for seven years.

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Speaker 15: He got them to a World Cup semi final in

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01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 15: twenty eighteen, two European Championships finals which they lost. He

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01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 15: did great work and he was asked this week to

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01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 15: give something called the Dimblebee lecture. So they pick a

1848
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 15: high profile person and they're told to just talk about

1849
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 15: something that's concerning you, and he pointed out he just

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01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 15: thinks that our youth, teenage boys and I guess the

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01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 15: morning's newspapers here given what we've just been talking about.

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01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 15: He has a point. He absolutely has a point. So

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01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,719
Speaker 15: Southgate fields that teenage boys have no role models anymore

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01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 15: in their communities and they end up going online. And

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01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 15: he said they're spending time on there. He said, they're gaming,

1856
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 15: they're looking at pornography, and then they find these toxic

1857
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 15: masculinity influencers, the lights of this Andrew Tape person. And

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01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 15: he said the end result is we're ending up with

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01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 15: very damaged young men with a warped view of life

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Speaker 15: and women in particular. And Southgate He's got everyone talking.

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Speaker 15: I mean all the newspaper columnists have picked up on

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Speaker 15: what he said in this lecture, and I think he's

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01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 15: absolutely right. And my wife pointed out to me our

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Speaker 15: little village here in the middle of nowhere. You know,

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Speaker 15: if you look at the local soccer club, for example,

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Speaker 15: most of the coaching is done by women. I just

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01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 15: don't see any dads around. It is. It's fast, fascinating.

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01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 3: Everyone talking to why wouldn't they be head's there?

1869
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 15: Well, I just think it's traditionally, you know, if you

1870
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 15: look at how sport has been coached over the years

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Speaker 15: in communities, certainly when I was a kid growing up

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Speaker 15: in Ireland. I didn't have any female coaches. It was

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01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 15: all male role models in the community. And I saw

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01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 15: our game of Gaelic football and our game hurling with

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01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 15: the sticks.

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01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:20,640
Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 15: I was around male coaches from the age of about

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Speaker 15: six and seven, and you saw how hard people trained,

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01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 15: how respected these fellows were in the community, and the

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01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 15: respect they had was because oh he coaches the football team,

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01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 15: or oh he plays for Wexford or kill Kenny or Galway. Yeah,

1882
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 15: you know, and I think that's lacking now in modern Britain.

1883
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 15: It really is, and South Kate has really hit that point.

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01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, potentially tragic consequences. Hy great to talk to Inda

1885
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 3: that is in the Brady a UK correspondent, will be

1886
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 3: back in just to tick. It's eight to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Hither Duples Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio powered by news dog Zibby.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for all your feedback. Welcome back to Drive

1890
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 3: on tim Beveris that pretty much wraps up the show.

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01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure Ryan will be back tomorrow. Just start

1892
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 3: reflecting on that conversation.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 3: With the end of Brady, there the tour de France

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01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 3: visiting Scotland, England and Wales. I think that will be

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Speaker 3: absolutely epic because of just the beautiful country villages are

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01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 3: right around the UK, and yeah, I think it'll if

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01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 3: you're into the cycling. I mentioned there be a few

1899
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 3: people making their trips over there. So yeah, anyway, thank

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Speaker 3: you for your company and all for all of your feedback.

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01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. And thanks to my producers Laura

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01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,639
Speaker 3: and Ants and Ants. Speaking of which, what are we going.

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Speaker 6: Out with Elastic Heart by Sea Diplow on the weekend

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,559
Speaker 6: to play us out tonight. So unfortunately it's sad news.

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Speaker 6: Sea the Australian singer has filed for divorce. She's been

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Speaker 6: married to her husband Dan Bernard for two years but

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01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 6: now she's saying that they're ver irreconcilable differences and yeah,

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01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 6: so she's officially filing for divorce. And only because of

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Speaker 6: her doing that, we've actually learned that they have a

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Speaker 6: one year old son. Really his name is some assault

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Speaker 6: assault wonder Bernard, which I think is not really sitting

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01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 6: up for a great future. But yeah, well apparently had

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Speaker 6: him a year ago and just never told anybody, which

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Speaker 6: is fair enough. She's always been quite a private person,

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Speaker 6: probably isn't stoked that I'm talking about this right now.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, well, I mean you didn't find it

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01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 3: out by stalking it, did? You must be out there

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Speaker 3: well exactly.

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Speaker 6: People Magazine got ahold of it first. Anyway, there's a

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Speaker 6: nice excuse to play this song though. She is a

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Speaker 6: very very talented singer.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and of course there's nothing like a bit of

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01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 3: heartbreak to add to her, you know, the inspiration for

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Speaker 3: her next song or album, so says he'd rather cynically.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, hey, thanks very much, look forward to your

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Speaker 3: company for me. It'll be on the Weekend Collector from

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Speaker 3: three o'clock. I'll leave you with the music because it's

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Speaker 3: a nice way to head out, and thanks again to

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Speaker 3: Laura Announced. We'll catch you again soon.

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Speaker 11: I coast.

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