1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: early edition with expole insulation, keeping Kimi Holmes warm and 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: try this Winter News Talks. 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: There'd be askyboding you and welcome to the program for 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: a Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickens. I'm here until six and 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: coming up, the National Library is burning books, including the Bible, 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: the Quran and the Torrah. Should we be worried, We'll 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: have that story for you in ten. There's changes to 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: the pricing system for off peak power, so will this 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: make a meaningful difference to your bill? We'll have that 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: story in fifteen. As a Harry Potter TV series starts filming, 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: Emma Watson is in big trouble. 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: With the law. 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: I'll have that story after five point thirty. And it's 15 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: the end of open classrooms, so how destructive was this ideology? 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: We'll have that story for you just before six. We'll 17 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: have correspondents from right around New Zealand. Mitch McCann's joining 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: us from the United States of America. And you can 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: have your say too by using the text two ninety two. 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: A small charge applies. It's eight minutes half five the agenda. 21 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, the seventeenth of July, Israel says it's strake 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: a military target in the area of the Presidential Palace 23 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: in Damascus. This is in southwestern Syria. It earlier said 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: it hit the headquarters of the Syrian military in the 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: city Netania, who says Israel is trying to protect members 26 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: of the Druze community who are in southwest Syria where 27 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: there have been deadly sectarian clashes. 28 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 3: We are acting to save our Dreuze brothers and to 29 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: eliminate the rag used gangs. And now I have one 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: request from you. You are citizens of Israel, do not 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 3: cross the border. You're endangering your lives. You could be killed, 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: you could be kidnapped, and you are harming the IDF's efforts. Therefore, 33 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: I ask you return to your homes. Lets the IDEAF. 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: Act to America, where Donald Trump's been facing a rare 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: backlash from supporters who want the release of information on 36 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 2: the Epstein case. He says Attorney General Pam BONDI should 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: actually release whatever she thinks is credible. 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: You want credible evidence with something like that. But she's 39 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: handled it very well and it's. 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: Going to be up to her. 41 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: Whatever she thinks is credible, she should release. Yeah, and 42 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: as you heard in the news, we can officially consider 43 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: the feud between Paul Gallan and Sonny Bill Williams to 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: be squashed. In a long anticipated showdown, Gallen came out 45 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: on top, edging Williams in a split decision, so two 46 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: judges had it for Gallon seventy seven seventy four and 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: seventy six seventy five, while the third gave it to 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: Williams seventy seven seventy four. And now the two are 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: going to get coffee together. 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 5: I'm able to break for it with him. And yes, 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 5: he said, you want to have a coffee, And I said, 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 5: so me and him will go for coffee one day, 53 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 5: And yeah, I have a chat and I say, man, 54 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: I'm too glad to be worried about so silly school 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 5: schoolboys spat, so to speak. So yeah, I'm looking I'm 56 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 5: actually looking forward to it. 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: Sure they're going to have a coffee. But he also said, 58 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: me and him, we're like oil and water. We're never 59 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: going to break bread. But I am willing to have 60 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: a coffee and catch up. Man to man, I wish 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: him all the best for him and his It's nine 62 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: after five. 63 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with x fol insulation keeping 64 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Kili homes warm and dry. This winter news talks it'd. 65 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Be so we're all heartbroken at the Yuku car crash 66 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: that killed three a mother, a daughter and a niece. 67 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: I know the road well. I grew up in that county. 68 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: The road is well known by all locals as being dangerous. 69 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: They call it the roller coaster. It's used as a 70 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: rat run to get to Pokakoi and so users think 71 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,839 Speaker 2: it's a faster road than the main road, so off 72 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: they go. This road is up and down. It's been 73 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: described as like a BMX track. It's slim and slippery, 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: and there are ditches and colvets all along its edges, 75 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: and it's bumpy. One mistake, go off the road. The 76 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: car is airborne. It's well used the way. Kato Council 77 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: now has got it marked for improvements, but as we 78 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: all know, money is time for councils right now. One 79 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: guy who lives on the road is petrified by it. 80 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 2: He says he only ever turns left as he gets 81 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: out of his driveway because it's it's too dangerous to 82 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: cross lanes. So locals have been saying that maybe the 83 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: road needs more speed cameras. Guess what, it already has them. 84 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: That's not the answer. Then the answer is simple, just 85 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: make the road safer. Now here's the rub. The road 86 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: has an eighty kilometer in our speed limit and it's 87 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: still a menace. And I wonder if this is another 88 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 2: road that the government wants to hit with their blanket 89 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: speed limits. The simplistic, well, it's the open road. Let's 90 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: go to one hundred idea. So your locals and you're worried, 91 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: you put in an eighty k limit and people still die. 92 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: As I said before, the real answer is to reduce 93 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: the speed limit further until the road is improved. Then 94 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: you can put it back up to eighty or one 95 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: hundred maybe. Because I'll tell you what. At the moment, 96 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: the rollercoaster is getting a new name. They're calling it 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: the boneyards. News Talk said they're burning books at the 98 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 2: National Library. Shock, horror. They're burning books and the books 99 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: are religious Bible. It is okay, the Bible, the Quran, 100 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: the Torrah. So we'll talk about that in about ten 101 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: minutes time. But here's the big news. They changed the 102 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: way we do our power bills they've given more power 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: to off peak power use, so will this make a 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: meaningful difference to your power bill? We'll talk to Consumer 105 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: New Zealand right after the break here on News Talks 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: here b It's twelve after five. 107 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: The first word on the News of the Day early 108 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and x Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi 109 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: homes warm and dry this winter news talks at be 110 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: goodbody to you. 111 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: It's five thirteen. I'm Andrew Dickens. So have you got 112 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: the power on? Have you got the kettle on? Have 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: you got the lights on? Have you got the heateron? 114 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: Here some news for you. New deals will soon become 115 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: available to bring down your power bill. Rule changes by 116 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: the Electricity Authority will force the Big four retailers to 117 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: offer lower prices for off peak power use. It also 118 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: requires the gentailors to give better deals to homes that 119 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: sell power using solar batteries. Poor fouj as the power 120 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: switch manager at Consuming New Zealand. He's got up early 121 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 2: for us. Good morning to your pool. 122 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: Good morning. 123 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: Didn't we already have off peak prices? 124 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 6: Yes we do, so there's those plans are already available. 125 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 6: So some retailers do already offer those. 126 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 2: Plans, So what's different now. 127 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 6: What they're proposing to do is insists that all retailers 128 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 6: offer those types of plans is an option. 129 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: So is it forcing them to offer them as opposed 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: to allowing them to offer them if they want to 131 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: offer them. 132 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 6: That's correct, that's the Big four gen tailors. Now my 133 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 6: role is as power switch manager. A lot of those 134 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 6: retailers are already working on those plans. 135 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: How do they feel about them? 136 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 6: What's this another offering? I mean, it's good that consumers 137 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 6: have choice, and certainly time of use plans offer the 138 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 6: potential for householders to save money. 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: On their bill. 140 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 6: But I would stress that only some household you know, 141 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 6: time of use plans clear are costing you more if 142 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 6: you're not suited to them. 143 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 2: But how again, do the gentailors feel about them? Because 144 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: this is going to hit their margins? 145 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it. 146 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 6: You to talk to them about that? But yeah, I 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 6: would say that that they wouldn't be happy about it. 148 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 6: Being forced to offer things is not really in the 149 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 6: spirit of a free market. You know, retailers will offer 150 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 6: the plans that they think suit their customer's best. In 151 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 6: some retailers off the time of use. Because the market 152 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 6: segment they're seeking to serve you looking for that sort 153 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 6: of plan, but other you know, households are looking for 154 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 6: something different than that. 155 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: Now to the solar thing, I mean the gent tailors 156 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: are going to be required to give better deals to 157 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: homes that sell power using solar batteries. But we heard 158 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: yesterday there was a firm that went bust that makes 159 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: the solar power. Another firm last year only three percent 160 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: of New Zealand uses solar power compared to Australia in 161 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: America where it's up to thirty to forty percent. So 162 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: is this actually going to make a meaningful difference. 163 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 6: It won't hurt, but I don't think it will make 164 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 6: it any meaningful difference. You remember that that's only suitable 165 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 6: for households that have batteries because the times at which 166 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 6: you get paid higher rates of peak times, and that's 167 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 6: when it's generally not shining. So only six of very 168 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 6: small number of households, So only around three or four 169 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 6: percent of households have solid it all in a much 170 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 6: lesser number have batteries. 171 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: Now. 172 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the second blake we've talked to from a consumer 173 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: this week because of the open letter that got sign 174 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: got printed in the paper saying the electricity sector is broken. 175 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: So Paul, how do we fix it? 176 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 6: That's really that's a really big question. We just need 177 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 6: to get altricity prices down because people are really hurting 178 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 6: and soler businesses and so the cost of ectricity has 179 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 6: exceeds the cost of producing it by quite a considerable margin, 180 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 6: and it indicates the market's broken. So in terms of 181 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 6: fixing it, we just need more supply. The market is 182 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 6: not delivering the amount of electricity we need to cover 183 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 6: our growth and New Zealand's hydrology and things like that, 184 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 6: so they need to be beare and census put into 185 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 6: the market to make sure we're getting enough else to 186 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 6: see new power stations being built. 187 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: Good. 188 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: So, Paul, I thank you so much for getting up 189 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: for us. And that is Paul Fuse who's from Consumed, 190 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: New Zealand, and he is the power switch manager. It's 191 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: eighteen minutes after five men. While speaking about power, Darth 192 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: Vader's lightsaber is up for sale. It's going up for 193 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: auction for the very first time. This is to celebrate 194 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: the forty fifth anniversary of the Return of the Jedi. Sorry, no, 195 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: the Empire strikes back. Gosh, that lightsaber, I'd want it. 196 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: You know how much you're going to have to pay 197 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: three million US six million bucks for a film prop lightsaber? 198 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: It's yours if you want it. Five eighteen. I'm moving 199 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: from Jedis to the Bible, the Quran and the Torrad. 200 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: They're being burnt by the National Library. Why and should 201 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: we be outraged that story? 202 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Next? Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with 203 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickins and x fol Ination keeping Kiwi homes warm 204 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: and dry this winter news talk said be so. 205 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: I'm getting a number of texts on ninety two ninety 206 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: two saying is Judith Collins being rushed to hospital? 207 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: Yes? 208 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: She has. She was rushed to hospital last night. She 209 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: will not be in Parliament today. She was taken to 210 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: the hospital in an ambulance but has since returned home. 211 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: And the problem a nasty bout of vertigo which happened 212 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 2: on Tuesday night. You may remember Mike Hosking had a 213 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: nasty about of vitigo. Yourself work for one day. She 214 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: believes that flights over the weekend contributed to the sensation. 215 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: So we wish her all the very best, but don't 216 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: be worried. It is twenty one out five SIB. Multiple 217 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: major religious texts will be shredded at the National Library. 218 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: A number of books which include the Quran, the Bible 219 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: and the Torah will be destroyed and then recycled and 220 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: this is to save one million dollars a year in 221 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: storage costs. Laura Marshall is the executive director of the 222 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: Library and Information Association of New Zealand and joins you now, 223 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 2: good morning to you, Laura, Good morning. There's a a 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: few religious people around the place were a bit freaked 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 2: out by this. 226 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 7: It's standard religious policy at standard religious policy. Sorry, it's 227 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 7: very early in the morning. It's standard collection policy. There'll 228 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 7: be a policy on what's removed from collections. I don't 229 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 7: know the policy of this particular place, but yeah, people 230 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 7: just need to look into what is the collection policy, 231 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 7: and it's a fairly standard collection management. All of these 232 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 7: books are available at your local library and if people 233 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 7: do want to read them, they can become members of 234 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 7: their local library and they are available to read. 235 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 2: So libraries always do culls because there's always news books 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: and they end at full So how do libraries decide 237 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 2: which books to stay in, which to go. 238 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 7: It's very specific to their particular institute or the particular library. 239 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 7: I used to be the library director of Odd and 240 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 7: we had a collection management policy. If it was one 241 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 7: of those best sellers, when people stopped lending it, we 242 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 7: used to call the box and get rid of them. 243 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 7: If we kept every book that was publish, we'd need 244 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 7: a fifty story building, which is obviously not possible at all. However, 245 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 7: in our heritage collection, same as the National Library, we 246 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 7: would keep books of significance. We keep multi collections, we 247 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 7: keep local history collections. So it comes down to what 248 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 7: is significant for that community, for that institute, and what's 249 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 7: it's mandate by usually its governing body, and what it 250 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 7: should collect. 251 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: Threading seems a little bit violent, doesn't it. I mean 252 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: that book is gone. Is that standard? Why don't we 253 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: have a very big Garrett sale? 254 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 7: It is standard because you get to the point where 255 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 7: nobody wants the books. I used to be a second 256 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 7: hand bookseller for fifteen years and I have shredded so 257 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 7: many books. It gets to a point where nobody wants 258 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 7: to read it. It's times up and we need room 259 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 7: for new books. Like I said, you need a fifty 260 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 7: story building to put these to put these books in. 261 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 7: So many times people would bring me the collections of 262 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 7: their grandmar and say, oh, I don't want to throw 263 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 7: these out, so I'm going to give these to you, 264 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 7: and I'll be like, no, you have to throw them out. 265 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 7: Why should I do it? It comes a point where books 266 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 7: are not to be read, and this is just great 267 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 7: collection policy. All of these books are available somewhere else 268 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 7: as well, and. 269 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: Some of these books haven't been checked out in twenty 270 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: or thirty years. Should they have even been bought in 271 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: the first place. 272 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 7: Yes, you do have to test the market, and you 273 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 7: must remember some of these books are very old, so yeah, 274 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 7: testing the market is part of good collection policy and 275 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 7: then making a sound decision as another. I believe with 276 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 7: this particular collection, at least fifty thousand of the books 277 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 7: were offered to other libraries and were taken up. So 278 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 7: some of these have gone to other library collections. I 279 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 7: believe another fifty thousand men to charity. And I can 280 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 7: tell you, as an experienced bookseller who used to make 281 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 7: money out of books, a lot of these books their 282 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 7: time is up, unfortunately, and it's sad, but this is 283 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 7: what we do to bring in new books. I think 284 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 7: it is something like a million to two million books 285 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 7: are published every year. Got to have room for these 286 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 7: new collections. But be assured, libraries do keep those heritage books, 287 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 7: those out of print, those rare books, those books that 288 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 7: are really special to a particular community. This is their skill, 289 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 7: this is what they're great GIRs. 290 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: Staff Laura, I thank you so very very much. I 291 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: don't need to take the Bible out from the from 292 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: the library because I've got my family Bible which came 293 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: out on a boat and arrived in New Zealand in 294 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: eighteen forty three. Do you have a Bible like that? 295 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: It is our five twenty five. It's News Talks hib 296 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: the early. 297 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: Edition full show podcast on iHeartRadio Power by News Talks. 298 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: It be Newstalk's have b It is now five twenty seven, 299 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: so the local government conference is underway and yesterday the 300 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: government took advantage of it to talk down to councils 301 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: like a step dad telling off their step son. They've 302 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: been told to rain and wasteful spending to keep their 303 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: rates increases down. Now you know a bit of irony. 304 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: There would be good if the government that is currently 305 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: spending more than any other also practice what they preach. 306 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: But anyway, the government is now talking about bringing in 307 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: rate caps. Sounds good, simple idea we can all understand. 308 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: But would it work. The fact is the idea is 309 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: in place in Australia. Melbourne and Sydney have rate caps, 310 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: but individual councils can apply for exemptions. In Melbourne that 311 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: meant that some councils imposed ten percent rates, so it 312 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: didn't work there. But they do not have rate caps 313 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: in Brisbane, and Brisbane has the lowest rate increases in Australia. 314 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: So why is that successive councils have kept the debt low. 315 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: They've had smart, long term plans with cross party support, 316 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: so that's one thing. They have a Suburb's First policy, 317 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: so that improvements are made where people actually live. Eighty 318 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: five percent of their budgets spent on this. It's cheaper 319 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: than grand CBD projects. And they like public transport. A 320 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: record two hundred and ten million dollars is being spent 321 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: this year on it, which is a lot cheaper they 322 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: say than building roads roads roads. But of course here 323 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: public transport or alternative transport options are the first to 324 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: be cut in hard times. We hate it, cyc Away 325 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: and because of their resident friend. The suburban centric approach 326 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: combined with a fiscal prudence, they have some regal room. 327 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: Senior citizens in Brisbane get the most generous rebates in 328 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: the country, cutting their rates in half, and then Brisbane 329 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: can pursue some big stuff. They're going for the Olympics, 330 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: but here they show some balls as well, canning the 331 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: redevelopment of the Gabba because the business case didn't measure up. 332 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: Rate caps are good slogan policy. It sounds like a 333 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: simple answer to a complex situation, but they didn't work 334 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: in Sydney and Melbourne. In fact, they're suffering from what's 335 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: called rates catch up. If you defer projects, then eventually 336 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 2: you're going to have to do them and someone's going 337 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: to pay for them fung. I know we will find 338 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: that out when the Opera House will eventually have to 339 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: have millions spent on it to fix it up. They've 340 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: deferred that. The reason we're in the hole is because 341 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 2: of false promises of low rates by previous mayors and 342 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: councils that has resulted in a rates catch up. Wellington 343 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 2: Water Does that sound familiar to you? That's exactly what 344 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: happened there. We don't actually need rate caps. But what 345 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: we really need is sensible, long term, fiscally prudent governance. 346 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: Look for that next election. But it's as rare as 347 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: a unicorns that be Andrew, couldn't these books be offered 348 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: to the public before being destroyed? Well, I think you'll 349 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 2: find if you got down to your library, there's always 350 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: a tray out the front that says books for sale 351 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: one buck, So you know, go there and buy some books. 352 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: But then again you end out with your library too full, 353 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: and then you have to start reading books. So there 354 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 2: we go. So on the way, Oh, there is a 355 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: socialist who's running for the mayoralty of New York and 356 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: he's freaking the Republicans out. Mitch mccambill. Have that story 357 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: and the end of open classrooms. We'll talk to a 358 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: principle who I think is very happy about that. 359 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 8: Let the past be the pastor. 360 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: It's Waverous on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early 361 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: edition with Andrew Dickens and X Full Insulation Keeping Keey 362 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Holmes warm and dry, this Winter News Talks at b 363 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: It's good. 364 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program for this Thursday. I'm Andrew Dickins. 365 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm here till six and I'm here tomorrow, but then 366 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: Ryan's back next week. This is mister Benson boom, amazing voice. 367 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: You know the guy. He's the guy likes to do 368 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: backflips on stage and he wears revealing jumpsuits. Anyway, that's Benson. 369 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: Oh look, I made mine has just arrived at Manchester 370 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: and he reports to me on Facebook that the town 371 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: is absolutely going off. Oasis are playing five concerts there 372 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: over five nights, and he says there's a lot of 373 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: angry young men and bucket hats. Most are drunk and 374 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: it's only one pm. Good times. Harry Potter actress Emma 375 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: Watson has been banned from driving for six months after 376 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: she was caught speeding in her Audi S three. So 377 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: in addition to the licensed suspension, she was also fined 378 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: one thousand quid. It's Watson's fourth driving offence in less 379 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: than two years. Seems to me she should stick to 380 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: riding broomsticks. Cars are for muggles. And by the way, 381 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: the New Harry Potter, a TV series, has just started filming. 382 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Shock and Horror, far from the Left being 383 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: down and out New York has a young socialist contesting 384 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: the new York Mayoralty for the Democrats, and his name 385 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: is Zoran Mandarmi. I'll try that again, Zordan Mamdani. And 386 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: today he's visiting Democrats in Washington and the Republicans are 387 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: freaking out. This is the cat amongst the pigeons. They're 388 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: all a bit of a tiz Wars. They're all calling 389 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: him a Marxist. So he's got ideas like adding a 390 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: two percent tax onto everyone earning one million dollars more. 391 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: He wants to raise the minimum wage, and he wants 392 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 2: to start city owned grocery stores to attack the cost 393 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: of living crisis. We're going to find out more about 394 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: Zordan Mamdani in about five minutes time with Mitch McCann. 395 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: It's twenty two to six, Zidby. It's time to go 396 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: right around the country and Callum Brocton joins us from 397 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: Duned and Commodity. 398 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: Of Callum Morning Andrew. 399 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: So you've got a new list of homes and buildings 400 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: that are in line for heritage protection. 401 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 9: Here we have this, let's just revealed the sporting by 402 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 9: the City Care here. More than one hundred homes in 403 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 9: fact in line for heritage protection. Now changes these changes 404 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 9: were made to the city's district Plan, giving these properties 405 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 9: greater protection from demolition and modification without consent. Following a 406 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 9: public hearing back in May, the panels decided to remove 407 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 9: seventeen properties from the original list of one hundred and 408 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 9: forty six which we're proposed for protection. They include several 409 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 9: churches around Dunedin and a suburban fire station as well. 410 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 9: They say they want to allow room for reuse and 411 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 9: development without threatening the heritage fabric of the city. Not 412 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 9: everyone will be happy, of course, with this decision. Appeals 413 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 9: can be made to the Environment Court. 414 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 2: How's your weather fine? 415 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Areas of frost the heights today? 416 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 2: Eleven to Claire herewod in Christiage. Goodbody, Dear Claire, good morning. 417 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: What should we talk about today? I know the christ 418 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 2: Church Hospital or car park again what. 419 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 10: A surprise look Christchurch City Council is yesterday unanimously agreed 420 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 10: that we should investigate this idea of allowing the car 421 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 10: parking of hospital staff on the site of the particured 422 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 10: a sports and recreation center. There are five hundred car 423 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 10: parks there and this would specifically benefit workers who are 424 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 10: on night shift. Now counselors did vote yes and support 425 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 10: of film Major's proposal. They heard various stories about how 426 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 10: bad it is for christ Church Hospital staff, including some nurses, 427 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 10: like an ed nurse that film Major has spoken to, 428 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 10: who actually purchased an e scooter to have in their 429 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 10: boot so they could transfer between the car and the hospital, 430 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 10: knowing that it would be faster on an e scooter 431 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 10: to get away from anyone who may be chasing them. 432 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 10: Now it is worth noting, though, that despite this unanimous 433 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 10: vote and support of the investigation, some counselors are still 434 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 10: sitting there questioning whether this is Council's role to provide 435 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 10: the parking for hospital staff or if that should be 436 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 10: something that Health end Z should. 437 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: Solely sort Now, how's your weather? 438 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 10: Cloudy Period's a bit of frost about today as well, 439 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 10: northeasterlies and a high of eleven. 440 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: Max told joins us now from Wellington, I hope you're 441 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: in a better mood than yesterday. 442 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 11: Max, never in a better mood. 443 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: Very good. 444 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: You've got a central Polytech campus closing. 445 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 11: This is Fittaday and well Tech's CBD campus is a 446 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 11: part of the government's long signaled announcement on what Polytech's 447 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 11: are to stand alone to return to regional governments. These 448 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 11: are two of the four that will continue operating for 449 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 11: now under TEPU, King Fitta Day and Well Tech. It 450 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 11: will mean the loss of forty eight jobs. It also 451 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 11: means the closure of the Tekahui Oaha Campus, which is 452 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 11: a creative hub that hosts a lot of external events gigs, 453 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 11: a smaller venue that can be used for music, comedy 454 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 11: during the comedy festival, Fringe Festival, theater as well. Unfortunately 455 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 11: it never quite quite got going this to Aha campus. 456 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 11: It was meant for one thousand students who never got 457 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 11: to one thousand students. But a lot of artsy people 458 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 11: in the capitol not happy about losing this venue. All right, 459 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 11: how's you with the cloudy periods with a bit of drizzle? 460 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 11: Later thirteen the high. 461 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 2: And who or can we go? 462 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: Neither? 463 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: Read to Manda, good morning to you. You can need 464 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 2: to turn your microphone on. Go try again, Abe there 465 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: you were there? Yes, thank good, very good stuff. We're 466 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: all broken hearted about the three people who died in 467 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 2: White Uku, a mum, a daughter and a nie. And 468 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: you've got more details about the fact. 469 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 12: Yes, Francis Ceci Latuvailea. Now she died with her daughter 470 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 12: on the Ahi niece Mali to law. This is when 471 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 12: their car plunged into a creek. Happened on Tuesday. Ministry 472 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 12: of Justice Chief Executive Andrew kibble White says Latuvavier was 473 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 12: a court registry officer for the Family Court and she 474 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 12: worked across many Auckland locations. He also says that this 475 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 12: tragedy will have a huge impact on many people and 476 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 12: deepest condolences with her immediate and extended family. 477 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: Well, I thank you so much, Neva. How's Orkin's weather? 478 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 4: Rain? 479 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 12: Heavy falls turn into showers this morning, possibly heavy until evening. 480 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 12: Fifteen is the high here in Auckland. 481 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: It is now eighteen minutes to six. Donald Trump, he's 482 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: getting it from the world, but he's also getting it 483 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: from his mega supporters. They got problems with the fact 484 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: that he's now getting involved in world conflicts, and they've 485 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: got big problems about Epstein. So we'll talk about this 486 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: and this new socialist New York mayor hopeful who's headed 487 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 2: to DC with Mitch McCann, who's next here on news tools. 488 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: There be international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace 489 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: of mind for New Zealand business. 490 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: It is now a quarter to six and we go 491 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: to the United States of America and Mitch McCann, Good morning, 492 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 2: m Good morning Andrew. 493 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: How are you. 494 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 2: I'm good to Donald Trump and the MAGA people are 495 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: starting to fall out a little bit, yeah, big time. 496 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 8: For many of Donald Trump's base his supporters, this has 497 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 8: been a major issue Jeffrey Epstein and the Epstein files. 498 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 8: They want flight logs, client lists, and any documents that 499 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 8: might expose the truth behind what conspiracy theorists have called 500 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 8: this major pedophile ring. Now, Donald Trump and his Attorney 501 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 8: General have suggested in recent months that they would release 502 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 8: these files and expose the truth. The Attorney General even 503 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 8: seid in recent weeks that the documents were on her 504 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 8: desk ready for review. 505 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: But there's one big problem here. 506 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 8: Last week are the Justice Departments said there was no 507 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 8: further disclosure needed or warranted of these doc image was 508 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 8: just has sent a huge blowback from Donald Trump's base. 509 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 8: Some Republicans even have asked for these documents to be released. 510 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 8: The House Speaker thinks they should be released, but Donald 511 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 8: Trump says he doesn't know why everyone's so obsessed with 512 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 8: this story, and he's told people to get over it. 513 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 8: But the more he pushes back the more unhappy his 514 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 8: bases about these Epstein files not being released. 515 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: And is it affecting his popularity. I mean, you guys 516 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: don't really do polls here. 517 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 8: Well, if there is some concern that much of his 518 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 8: base will be put off Donald Trump by this. Of 519 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 8: course they have supported him through everything, but one of 520 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 8: the things he talked about on the campaign was releasing 521 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 8: these Epstein files. Now, one of the interesting points he 522 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 8: andrew is that Donald Trump has made a lot of 523 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 8: friends in the podcast industry, and a lot of these 524 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 8: podcasters who he supported, who invited to the White House, 525 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 8: have started raising questions to their millions of followers about 526 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 8: what's going on here. So there is the possibility he 527 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 8: may lose some support from the base. 528 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: Now it's not mister Smith goes to Washington and Zoran 529 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: Mamdami to Washington, the front runner to become the mayor 530 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 2: of New York. To tell me the story of his visit. 531 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's there today to convince national Democrats that they 532 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 8: should endorse him and support him. Now, this is becoming 533 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 8: a big international story, not just here in the US. 534 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 8: There are billions of dollars involved, and it's becoming I 535 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 8: guess rather disturbing the level of vitriol that Mamdani is 536 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 8: facing from opponents. Now, one of the problems he has 537 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 8: is convincing the New York business community he is serious 538 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 8: and he's not going to damage them because he has 539 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 8: policies like taxing anyone that earns over a million dollars 540 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 8: or two percent tax. He wants to raise the minimum wage, 541 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 8: he wants to create city owned grocery stores. So a 542 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 8: lot of business leaders have been pushing back, and now 543 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 8: he's headed to Washington to convince them that he's in fact. 544 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 2: The real deal. Mitch mcam I thank you so much 545 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: for your time today. This is news Talks here b 546 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: Prime Minister Frantz Wois Bayleu and France has done something 547 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: quite interesting. He wants to reduce the number of public 548 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: holidays in France as part of a bit to tackle 549 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: what he calls the curse of his country's debt. He's 550 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: doing his budget proposals. He says two out of France's 551 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: eleven national holidays could go, suggesting Easter Monday and May eighth, 552 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: that's the day that commemorates the end of World War two. 553 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 2: So if they did that, they would bring France into 554 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: line with Germany. They have nine national holidays. France is 555 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: proposing eight, Italy is at twelve. By the way, we 556 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: have eleven. Do we have too many public holidays? 557 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: Up to you? 558 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: Twelve to six used dogs d be Now The government's 559 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: ditching open planned classrooms, much to the relief of many 560 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: teachers and kids and parents. Many schools have already spent 561 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: thousands to revert back to single cell rooms. The Education 562 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: Minister Erica Stamford reckons the big open spaces have had 563 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: a negative effect on kids learning. New classrooms will be 564 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: built using standard designs, just like classrooms have always been 565 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: in the past, and will allow for flexibility when needed. 566 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: That's called a sliding door. Linda Stewart is a principal 567 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: at Mayroe Primary in West Auckland and joins me. Now, hello, Linda, 568 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 2: Morena Andrew. Do you like open classrooms or dar not? 569 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 4: Well, it's funny that you should ask me that, because 570 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: today I have the pleasure of hosting people through our 571 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 4: innovative learning environment. It's one year since we moved into 572 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 4: our new classroom and we. 573 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: Love it and it's open. 574 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 4: So it's really complex, isn't it. This whole issue because 575 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: people talk about open classrooms, and I've heard people talking 576 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 4: about barns Ours is an innovative learning environment with a 577 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:38,239 Speaker 4: purposeful design for children's learning. We took teachers and the 578 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 4: community and our children on a journey over at least 579 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 4: two years to really design a classrooms that were really 580 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 4: fit for purpose and future focused. So when we talk 581 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: about just putting sliding doors into an area, that is 582 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: not what teaching and learning is all about. And I 583 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 4: think that we're getting into a conversation that is being 584 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: very binary around this, around do you like them or 585 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: don't you like them? Actually, the number one factor that 586 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 4: affects children's learning is the quality of the teaching that 587 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: goes on in the classroom. Where you've thought about those 588 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: children who have neurodiversity, who need the space to move, 589 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 4: where you've thought about all of those different things that 590 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: children will need, and you've had your children in mind, 591 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 4: and you've designed a learning environment for them. It works well, 592 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: And that's what we see. Intentional design has worked well 593 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: for our children. Yes, we can close off areas if 594 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 4: we need to or not. 595 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: Well, what's the trick? 596 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: Then? 597 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: What is the trick? Because I've had kids in open 598 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: classroom and they've said it as noisy as all hell, you know, 599 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: and we've had many, many reports about this. It can 600 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: be very, very distracting and very hard for a teacher 601 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: to command the attention of twenty kids when there's another 602 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: sixty kids who are doing something completely different right next door. 603 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 2: So what's your trick. 604 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 4: The trick is the intentional design where you think about 605 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: actually the activities that children take part in during the day. Yes, 606 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 4: if you put children together and you haven't had that thinking, 607 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 4: and you haven't had worked with your teachers around the 608 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 4: effect of pedagogy, then it can be It can be tricky. 609 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 4: But in our. 610 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: Give me a specific for instance, the spill of noise 611 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: from teaching cells, from one teaching cell to another. How 612 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 2: do you mitigate that in an open classroom at Mays Road. 613 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: So if you were to come into our classroom, you 614 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 4: wouldn't hear a lot of noise at all. What you 615 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 4: would see is you would see children who are purposely 616 00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 4: engaged in their learning. You would see teachers and learning 617 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: assistance working alongside children in different parts of the building. 618 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: You would see some children involved in workshopping with a teacher. 619 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 4: You would see other children involved in independent activities. You 620 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 4: might see a child who is working to the side 621 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 4: with a learning assistant because that's what they need. 622 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: How much how much did you with a new classroom cost? 623 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: Oh, it's not one classroom. It was fifteen classrooms, and 624 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 4: I think it was around twelve million. I'm something around that. 625 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: Would it have been cheaper to make twelve single cells well. 626 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: With the work that we have done before, I don't know. 627 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 4: I'm not sure about that, Andrew. I think that the 628 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: real question is what is the pedagogical practice that is 629 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 4: happening in our classrooms. That's the difference for kids. And 630 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: this conversation takes us away from some of the real 631 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: issues that I think of education at the moment. 632 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: Linda Stewart, thank you so much for fighting your corner. 633 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: We're going to have to go, and I thank you 634 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: for your time today. And I have to go and 635 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: look up what pedagogical means, views. 636 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: And views you trust to start your day. It's earlier 637 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: this ship with Andrew Dickins at expol Insulation keeping Kiwi 638 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: Holmes warm and dry. This winter news talk said. 639 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 5: Be all right. 640 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: I looked up pedagogical, pedagog pedagogical. I looked up pedagogical 641 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: it comes from Greek. It comes from a Greek word 642 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: that means teachers. What it means is teaching. So Linda 643 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: Stewart just actually said teaching to us the whole time. 644 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: But anytime she said it, she said pedagogical, which is well, 645 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: isn't that part of the problem? Sometimes simple is good? 646 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: And you people do not like her use of pedagogical 647 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: pedagogical journeys. This woman said holy teaching. Smoke, says John, 648 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: that teaches part of the problem. That woman is a 649 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: matter of the white clan, and that woman is fundamentally 650 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: what's wrong with education in this country. 651 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: There was gold on. 652 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 13: Though, hold on though, to be fair to Heather by 653 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 13: the way to be fair? Aren't there different ways of teaching? 654 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 13: And pedagogical is just one type of teaching. 655 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: I don't know like there are. 656 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 13: I'm not entirely sure of the definitions, but I feel 657 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 13: like one style of teaching is where the child teaches themselves, 658 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 13: another one where the teacher. 659 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: Teach is pedagogy. Pedagogy and education refers to the theory 660 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: and practice of teaching, encompassing the method, strategies, and approaches 661 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 2: educators used to facilitate the learning. So what she was 662 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: talking about was the theory and the idea of the 663 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: open classroom as opposed to it. And I kept on 664 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: asking her how, what is a specific way that you 665 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 2: mitigate the noise spill? How do you She didn't answer 666 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: that you can't. She talked to me about pedagogy. 667 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 4: Can I can? 668 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 13: I just say that my mind is blown by people 669 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 13: who do the opposite of what we have been doing 670 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 13: for thousands of years. 671 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 9: Right? 672 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 13: We all know that if you stick a cat in 673 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 13: a noisy place with lots of distraction, that they're going 674 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 13: to be distracted and not learned. 675 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 9: Why do we do the opposite? 676 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. Music's play? What are you doing today? 677 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 13: We're going to do that? 678 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: Oh? A lot of that? What fun? 679 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: Okay? 680 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: Never do for seeing Alan, I'm Andrew Dickinson back again tomorrow. 681 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 2: Have yourself a wonderful day. 682 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: Time Fliers and do being twice for more from Early 683 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live to News Talks it 684 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: Be from five am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.