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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons Full Show Podcast number seventy eight for Monday,

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Speaker 2: the third of March twenty twenty five. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for tuning the podcast. Doozy and Absolute Doozy, don't

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Speaker 2: a fantastic chat about the Ukraine running a proxy topic

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Speaker 2: around what Zelensky wore to the White House, but it

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Speaker 2: could have talked about that for five hours.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, it went crazy on the phones and ticks

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Speaker 3: and also somehow ended up talking about the Piewards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so started with Zelensky and ended up with

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Speaker 4: With the Volvo XC Nighty on news Talk SEV.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Do you welcome into the show? Seven past

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Speaker 3: the one great to have your company is always a

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Speaker 3: big show. Today many huge show, Tyler, We've got a

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Speaker 3: lot on.

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Speaker 2: After two o'clock. The realities of buying a home with

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Speaker 2: your friends that is causing trouble. More and more people

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Speaker 2: are doing it because it's harder to get onto the

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Speaker 2: property at Letta. So maybe you get three four friends

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Speaker 2: together by a house, but you can see how that

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Speaker 2: could go wrong.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a good idea, but man, man, you

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Speaker 3: better make sure it's ironclad legal wise.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got into that kind of relationship or

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Speaker 2: you're looking at doing it, would like to hear from

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Speaker 2: you tips if you have been in that relationship and

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Speaker 2: it's gone wrong, or tips if you've been in that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. After three o'clock, the Warriors lost in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: There was hype and hope after a positive pre season.

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Speaker 3: Thousands of die hard fans made the trip to Sin

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Speaker 3: City for it, and as we now know, the Warriors

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Speaker 3: struggled to get anything going. But the question we want

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Speaker 3: to put to you is magical thinking in sport? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So me and a friend and a few friends, we

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Speaker 2: It's kind of tradition. We believe that it's an offering

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Speaker 2: to the team. And we didn't for this game and

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Speaker 2: they lost, and now does that mean we have to

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Speaker 2: Whenever he travels overseas to see a team, they lose.

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Speaker 2: So we call it the Curse of Glane and we've

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Speaker 2: So we just want to talk about that magical thinking.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy, obviously, but what do you do

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Speaker 2: There was the curse of the cake Tin that was

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Speaker 2: There was the goat curse obviously with the Cubs, the

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Speaker 2: there was also the Curse of the Goose for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 3: A lot of animal related superstitions, yeah, but clearly not working.

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Speaker 2: Basically, If anything, abnormal happens during a game and your

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Speaker 3: the Oscars. It's underway right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the Oscars, it's obviously waning an influence, and I've

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Speaker 2: But I've seen and I think that did die down

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Speaker 3: Good reminder. Right, let's have a chat about this. It was,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so look it got heated and if you watch,

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Speaker 2: For most of it, it was quite cordial. There was

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Speaker 2: It told us a lot, and it's made a lot

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Speaker 2: every other negotiation he's probably ever been, and everyone someone's

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Speaker 3: He's all tree stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Which is the kind of thing that you know, if

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Speaker 7: Wear a suit.

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Speaker 8: I will wear of course some after finish, yes, maybe

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Speaker 2: So pretty good answer from Zelenski. But the question is

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Speaker 2: So it's some talking as disrespectful that he didn't wear

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Speaker 2: the suit has become an issue. Is what you wear

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Speaker 2: And you know, I still look terrible because my face

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Speaker 3: It's an important thing because I've noticed that about yourself.

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Speaker 3: And it's a good thing that you've always got a

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Speaker 3: I'll keep it pretty casual, and you just stayed at casual.

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Speaker 3: And you rock up in the suit jacket.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well that's casual, the suit jacket without the

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Speaker 3: Say smart in front of that smart casule.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but it was noted and you're not even

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Speaker 3: Just wanted to high tail it out of there. But good.

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Speaker 3: So bringing it back to too Zelenski and that broader question,

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Speaker 3: get to some of those very shortly. It is quarter

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 4: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo.

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Speaker 1: XC ninety attention to detail and a commitment to comfort

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Speaker 3: Eighteen past one, and we've asked the question. Is it

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Speaker 3: important to dress for the occasion or certainly to strategize

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Speaker 3: a head of a meeting like Zelensky had with Donald

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was that a good strategy to wear? Where's or

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Speaker 2: does it not matter at all? Shared your thoughts on this, hey, guys.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just actually just jumped in the car and

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Speaker 10: heard the topic. And this is sort of an area

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Speaker 10: that I've got some experience with. And there's two real

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Speaker 2: This Texas says that is bs. Sorry. A thousand texts

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic Hosking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: So where does the wall go?

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Speaker 4: After the White House melt down?

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Speaker 11: This was a very uncomfortable exchange. Zolenski was trying to

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Speaker 11: These kinds of exchanges I think are not uncommon in diplomacy,

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Speaker 3: It being good afternoon, twenty seven past one.

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Speaker 2: Very conscientious, conscientious, Well, I've lost my words today. I

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Speaker 2: You get peace by coming to arguments that are acceptable

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Speaker 2: And you know what kind of guy Trump is, right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, yeah, absolutely, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 12: I'm good. I don't actually agree with you, guys. I

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Speaker 12: Here is a complete nutter. Zelensky knew going in there

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Speaker 2: that's that's I think we can we can all agree

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Speaker 2: on that if a deal is going to be made

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Speaker 2: at some point, are we just putting a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of Ukrainian people through the meat grinder until that deal happens?

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Speaker 2: And because you know, people are dying right now in

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine, and if there's never going to be a

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Speaker 2: meaningful victory for the Ukraine, how long do we continue

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Speaker 2: on before we find you know, look for whatever piece

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Speaker 2: deal we can get and however painful it is for

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Speaker 2: both sides.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's up to the Ukrainians to decide that.

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Speaker 12: It's not like where are the royal We we know

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Speaker 12: we're telling them give up. No, they have the right

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Speaker 12: to choose to not give up and to choose to

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Speaker 12: fight because if they don't want to be Russian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: Colleen, they can't fight without American weapons.

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Speaker 14: Or the.

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Speaker 12: Well, it looks like they're going to get more EU support.

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Speaker 12: That seems to be the trend at the moment. And

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Speaker 12: I think we play a very dangerous game if we

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Speaker 12: let Trump dictate the terms of everything in this deal,

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Speaker 12: because it's not a deal if Ukraine doesn't have a voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, I mean, yeah, and I understand

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Speaker 2: what you're saying, but you know, he did have a

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Speaker 2: voice in that. He was in that. There's been a

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Speaker 2: lot of negotiations in the background over the last ten

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Speaker 2: days in the States and the Ukrainian people have met

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Speaker 2: with everyone. What do you say to the constant that

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Speaker 2: this is the idea that's been floated. If America has

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Speaker 2: business interests in the Ukraine with this, with this rare

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Speaker 2: mineral deal, then that is a form of security in itself,

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Speaker 2: because Russia would be attacking American interests, hacked the Ukraine.

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Speaker 12: I think that's just double speak. I don't think. I

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Speaker 12: don't think America will do anything under Trump that does

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Speaker 12: not serve America first, Russia second, and everyone else at

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Speaker 12: the end of the line. Okay, well thanky, And you know,

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Speaker 12: if America cared about how much money they spent on

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Speaker 12: Obse's wars, they'd stop funding Israel.

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Speaker 2: Colleen, thank you very much for your call. Colin. We've

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Speaker 2: got to go to the headlines.

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Speaker 3: Yep, appreciate your thoughts absolutely. Oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number of call. We are late,

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Speaker 3: but we're gonna absolutely take more of your calls on

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Speaker 3: this one very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen nine two

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Speaker 2: is the text number twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 4: Do you talk.

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Speaker 15: There'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

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Speaker 15: with a blue bubble. The opposition sounding the alarm around

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Speaker 15: health restructures after a PSA surveys found eighty one percent

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Speaker 15: of the thirteen hundred health members believe cuts have damned

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Speaker 15: image services. Ukraine's presidents have suggested he'll resign if it

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Speaker 15: would get his country NATO membership. He's joint leaders from

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Speaker 15: Europe and Canada and agreeing a four step plan to

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Speaker 15: end the war with Russia. An Auckland based Canadian billionaire

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Speaker 15: previously linked to an alternative news venture, has taken a

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Speaker 15: substantial holding in media company enz Me, buying a nine

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Speaker 15: point three percent share. Specialist police negotiators have been called

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Speaker 15: to a protest at christ Church's Rolliston where Peace Action

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Speaker 15: or Tutahi members have scaled the roof of international weapons

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Speaker 15: company Naya and others have barricaded entrances. The Foreign Ministers

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Speaker 15: hosted two key Cook Islands officials at a meal over

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Speaker 15: the weekend, but hasn't answered questions on what was discussed.

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Speaker 15: The Forgotten All Black showing why he needs another chance.

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Speaker 15: See Phil Gifford's full column at ends in heirall Premium

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Speaker 15: are back to matt Ethan Tyer Adam.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and it has kicked off

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Speaker 3: on these texts machine and the phone lines which we love. O.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. If

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Speaker 3: you can't get through, keep trying, but plenty of teachs

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Speaker 3: coming through, guys, guys.

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Speaker 2: Lezlenski turned up for the handshakes, photos and lunch and

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Speaker 2: totally out of left field in front of Trump and

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Speaker 2: world media, said he won't ever agree to a ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: He was going to use American mineral workers a shields

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Speaker 2: to lob armaments at the lying distrustful Russians. Trump quite

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Speaker 2: rightly said this man does not want peace. He can

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Speaker 2: come back when he does, and rightly chucked him out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, it's so hard for Zelensky

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Speaker 2: to want peace. And he may want peace, but there's

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen this in every every confrontation in

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Speaker 2: the world. He's seeing terrible things. He has every reason

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Speaker 2: to just be so full of hate that, as I

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Speaker 2: was saying before, it would take a superhuman to not

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Speaker 2: flare up like he did. Yeah, and you know, he

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Speaker 2: came in. He was competitive, and I've watched the whole

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Speaker 2: fifty minutes. Zelensky was more competitive than people are saying

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Speaker 2: leading up to that moment. And then he went for JD. Bart,

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Speaker 2: which I think was quite an quite a probably a

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Speaker 2: mistake considering that what you're trying to trying to achieve,

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Speaker 2: But you can totally understand it because he hates Putin

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Speaker 2: for what Putin's done to his country. But in the end,

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Speaker 2: as a leader, you've got to find the best possible

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Speaker 2: deal for your country. What that is is probably harder

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Speaker 2: to work out just quickly.

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Speaker 3: Picking up on what Colin was saying, and I understand

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Speaker 3: which she's coming from. And regardless of how I feel

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Speaker 3: about Trump or how you feel about Trump, he is

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Speaker 3: the president of the United States of America and Zelensky

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Speaker 3: needs America's help to continue providing weapons and to come

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Speaker 3: to some sort of conclusion to this war. So, however

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Speaker 3: you feel about those individuals, at that level, you've got

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Speaker 3: to be more strategic. And whether Zelenski, You're quite right,

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Speaker 3: he has seen some serious, seriously heartbreaking things over the

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Speaker 3: last four years or whenever this war erupted, but the

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Speaker 3: fact that it came in their guns blazing was not

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Speaker 3: a strategy that was going to work out for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, maybe the EU is this as we're hearing,

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Speaker 2: the EU are getting together and maybe they'll bolster up.

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Speaker 2: But what Zlenzu's gon to understand is Trump doesn't lose

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Speaker 2: if he just is out of there and he steps back,

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Speaker 2: and then Europe just burns itself and fights each other

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Speaker 2: for the rest of eternity. Peter, your thoughts, well.

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Speaker 16: He didn't want the meeting, as in President Trump, but

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Speaker 16: I think the French president talked him into it, and

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Speaker 16: of course Trump aggravated situations by supplying keV with javelins

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Speaker 16: when he was the president and Brazooonkski was offered a

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Speaker 16: peace deal in twenty twenty two between April and March.

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Speaker 16: April and Peuson had his representas him keep in Istanbul

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Speaker 16: and Boris Johnson went to keV and said, no, no,

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Speaker 16: if you accept that peace deal with Russia, the US

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Speaker 16: and UK won't defend you anymore, will defend you as

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Speaker 16: long as it takes. And of course if he did it,

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Speaker 16: then they wouldn't have lost, you know, the million people

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Speaker 16: plus everything else. So he was portrayed by the West,

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Speaker 16: and the West, you know, uses approximately and then they

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Speaker 16: eventually walk away, like Afghanistan in the US, like Vetnam

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Speaker 16: and all.

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Speaker 17: That sort of stuff.

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Speaker 16: So Trump really is trying to help Ukraine by saying,

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Speaker 16: you better stop it because you're getting smaller territory, you're

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Speaker 16: losing lots of people, and you'll stopping there. But Trump

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Speaker 16: has got no deal in it to bring about peace

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Speaker 16: at all. And Starma is having negotiations for peace deals,

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Speaker 16: but he's not inviting Russia or any other non European

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Speaker 16: country or even European countries that do the border Russia.

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Speaker 16: So the UK and Europe are trying to prolong this conflict,

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Speaker 16: and Trump, by not being able to stop it in

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Speaker 16: the League Sky not want to do it. They're letting

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Speaker 16: Russia carry on the killing and carrying on on and expanding.

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Speaker 16: So Russia is not going to have any European troops

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Speaker 16: there that they've already said that, So no way. So

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Speaker 16: Starmer is just a political extender of the conflict, and

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Speaker 16: he should go starmash because he's adding to the conflict,

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Speaker 16: he's not trying to reduce it. And the British you know,

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Speaker 16: New Zealand did supply money to the UK to buy

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Speaker 16: weapons to kill Russians without declaring war on Russia. If

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Speaker 16: I was Russia, I'd be saying of the UK, we

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Speaker 16: already know about the terrorism activities that you've been involved with.

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Speaker 16: I suggest you stop or we're attacked here. And I

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Speaker 16: think they basically said that now.

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Speaker 2: So what you're saying is what people a lot of

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Speaker 2: people have been saying since the start. This is a

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Speaker 2: proxy war trying to weaken Russia, and that could go

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Speaker 2: on for as long and you know it's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: against europe interests or perceived interests the wider Europe to

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Speaker 2: just run this war and weaken Russia and keep Russia's

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Speaker 2: focus on this for as long as long as it

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Speaker 2: can and come out the other end with Western Europe

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Speaker 2: stronger and Eastern Europe weaker.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Well, Europe hasn't got the weapons, the US hasn't got

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Speaker 16: the weapons, and Russia has. And the Mince agreements that

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Speaker 16: they did do. The former Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkle,

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Speaker 16: and the former president of the US along have both

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Speaker 16: admitted they did the Mints agreements to give Ukraine time

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Speaker 16: to beat Russia. But all the experts have said that

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Speaker 16: there's no way Ukraine can beat Russia. Russia has more population,

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Speaker 16: more weapons, more nuclear weapons, and as Trump said, if

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Speaker 16: they attack support Ukraine, that's World War three.

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Speaker 2: So what does Europe think victory would be? Then? What

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Speaker 2: would be considered a victory? Because it's another war where

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Speaker 2: people are talking about victory but they're not at saying

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Speaker 2: what victory is. Is it Russia retreating back to nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety one borders and it's right, And then but then

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Speaker 2: then that's not victory in this Russia is somehow never

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Speaker 2: going to invade again.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, Russia has not invaded without good reason. And

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Speaker 16: way back in two thousand and eight Russia Persian said

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Speaker 16: that if for Ukraine Jewish NATO, that's a red line.

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Speaker 16: But Russia is not using and they can't use the

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Speaker 16: NATO thing to attack Ukraine. What they used is when

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Speaker 16: the coup happened in two thousand and eight where a

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Speaker 16: Ukraine banned the speaking of Russians and they had a coup,

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Speaker 16: and the people in Crome there and the people on

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Speaker 16: the east joining Russia did not want to accept the

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Speaker 16: result of the coup because that wasn't elected by the people.

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Speaker 16: And Selinsky ran on a peace plan and he didn't

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Speaker 16: deliver it. And he can't deliver because he's got neo

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Speaker 16: Nazis who will fill him if he lives a piece plant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well that's Peter's opinion. So do you do you

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Speaker 2: agree with him or disagree with him? Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty. We'll be back in just a moment.

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Speaker 4: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 4: along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC eighty Innovation,

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Speaker 1: Style and design, have it all youth talk said.

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Speaker 3: Be good afternoon, having a great discussion about the meeting

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Speaker 3: with Zelenski and Donald Trump and of course JD. Vance

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Speaker 3: as well, and speaking about the garb that he decided

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Speaker 3: to wear. Clearly that was a part of why that

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Speaker 3: meeting disintegrated. But'd love to hear from you on a

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Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Pete.

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Speaker 18: Your thoughts, kay, gentlemen in ar think Lynsky is he

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Speaker 18: is what he is, that's what he wears and he's

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Speaker 18: only sort of wearing that because he's at war and

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Speaker 18: he's representing his country to who he is.

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Speaker 19: And why should he change for the US? You know,

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Speaker 19: he goes, he goes to other country, that's a standards,

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Speaker 19: a uniform. People come to him when they visit his country,

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Speaker 19: regarding Ukraine, where they come and visit his country, that's him.

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Speaker 19: So why should he change for one country, like if

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Speaker 19: they don't accept his uniform, or maybe they shouldn't ask

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Speaker 19: him to come over there.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, though, he's the one that's asking

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Speaker 2: for more money, weapons and diplomatic support, and he's already

651
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Speaker 2: received a lot from them, So I guess the counter

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Speaker 2: argument to that is it would be seen as a

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Speaker 2: mark of respect for what America has done for the Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And and you know, just a basic negotiating point that

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Speaker 2: you turn up and in the uniform that has normally

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Speaker 2: worn for negotiations, if you are negotiating for the best

657
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Speaker 2: possible outcome for your country, that would be the counter

658
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Speaker 2: argument to what you're saying, Pete.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, but he's he's at war and you watch all

660
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Speaker 19: these the colonels or whatever around him secure they wear

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Speaker 19: any uniform, and I reckon he's just he's he's treating

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Speaker 19: like a that's the uniform I where to represent his army.

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Speaker 19: And I don't think he's nothing wrong for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely that That's definitely the statement

665
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Speaker 2: that he's making, and I think he probably would. I

666
00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:29,573
Speaker 2: think it's been a big part of just signaling that

667
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Speaker 2: he stayed there and his family stayed there, and a

668
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Speaker 2: lot of leaders would have abandoned their country at the time.

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Speaker 2: And Zelenski's a hero for his country. He's been brave

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Speaker 2: in the in the the Ukrainian soldiers have been brave,

671
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Speaker 2: and that's I think he wears that to signify that,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm in with the people that are fighting

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Speaker 2: for our country, and it is really it's a it's

674
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Speaker 2: as a uniform in its own right. To say that,

675
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Speaker 2: I'd agree, but I guess you know, this was a

676
00:34:57,733 --> 00:35:00,853
Speaker 2: unique circumstance where you're going up against Trump and you're

677
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Speaker 2: asking him for something. So some people say that it

678
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Speaker 2: would have been a successful gesture if he had worn

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Speaker 2: the normal negotiating uniform.

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Speaker 19: In some ways, they were in the modern world today,

681
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Speaker 19: and you know, you look at Trump and as advance,

682
00:35:17,853 --> 00:35:20,693
Speaker 19: you know, they were seats and how they treated a

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Speaker 19: Cylinska the other day, and I actually miles of them

684
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Speaker 19: pop were standing up for what he stood at the

685
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Speaker 19: end of the day. Is that I watched, I've been

686
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Speaker 19: watching the last few days how he got treated. And

687
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Speaker 19: you watched the Prime Minister of Denmark. The only way

688
00:35:36,653 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 19: they're going to stop that war and they they people

689
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Speaker 19: got to do that, and if they they got to

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Speaker 19: be part of the NATO. That's what it has to happen.

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Speaker 19: Otherwise Peter will be back and then five years down

692
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Speaker 19: the track will be back in the same situation. He's

693
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Speaker 19: threatened Sweden and Finland if they joined NATA. They've joined.

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Speaker 19: He never touched them. He's fully aired Peter, and we've

695
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Speaker 19: got to stand up to him as far as I can.

696
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Speaker 19: In Ukraine should be part of NATO. And you won't

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Speaker 19: find the Russia or Peter attacking again because they know

698
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Speaker 19: that they are part of the ally Group of NATO.

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Speaker 19: As soon as that happens, for better and we won't

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Speaker 19: be going walking well happen again, I guarantee it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Pete. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think Ukraine coming part of NATO is

703
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Speaker 2: pretty much completely off the table now. Yeah, I don't

704
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Speaker 2: think anyone is going to get any kind of there

705
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Speaker 2: if there was going to be no peace deal. Ever,

706
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Speaker 2: if if the UK becomes part of NATO, I think

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Speaker 2: that would be Puden's absolute last line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I suppose if anything has come out

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Speaker 3: of that meltdown of them that meeting is that Europe

710
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Speaker 3: has galvanized in terms of their spending, right is by

711
00:36:46,653 --> 00:36:50,973
Speaker 3: all accounts, the UK, France others have said that maybe

712
00:36:50,973 --> 00:36:53,653
Speaker 3: we can't rely on America anymore, and I've tried to

713
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Speaker 3: step up as much as they can to increase their

714
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Speaker 3: defense spending and indeed their money going into Ukraine. But

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you on this O one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It

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Speaker 3: is eight to two.

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Speaker 4: Matties, Taylor Adams.

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Speaker 1: Your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty matt and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Afternoon with the Volvo XC ninety tick in every box,

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Speaker 1: A seamless experience awaits.

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Speaker 3: NEWSTALGSB, NEWSTORGSB six to two heart type aco.

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Speaker 2: Het, toypeic stupid. This Texas is that you've taken the

724
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Speaker 2: position he had dressed in a suit or would have

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Speaker 2: been Okay, have you watched the entire meeting? Guardian are

726
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Speaker 2: showing it Guardian and appears more like a plan sustained attack.

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Speaker 2: Trump is a pendulant, petulant child.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you believe Trump is a petulant child, I mean,

730
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Speaker 2: I think you're missing the entire point of the conversation.

731
00:37:44,013 --> 00:37:48,493
Speaker 2: What we are saying is that Zelenski was there to

732
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Speaker 2: get more money, weapons and diplomatic sport support. He's looking

733
00:37:52,813 --> 00:37:56,493
Speaker 2: at a way you would hope to move towards peace,

734
00:37:56,573 --> 00:37:59,693
Speaker 2: whatever that piece should be, and there's a rare minerals

735
00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:03,413
Speaker 2: deal on the table. Potentially there's there's borders. He's probably

736
00:38:03,453 --> 00:38:05,933
Speaker 2: gonna have to give up some land to Russia. It's

737
00:38:05,973 --> 00:38:08,893
Speaker 2: really complicated, and of course he absolutely hates Putin. But

738
00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:12,453
Speaker 2: the question around the suit is sort of much like

739
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Speaker 2: some people say that the U. Ukraine wore as a

740
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Speaker 2: proxy war to drain a Russia of its resources. The

741
00:38:19,693 --> 00:38:24,413
Speaker 2: suit chat is a proxy. It's a proxy. Conversation around

742
00:38:24,453 --> 00:38:28,533
Speaker 2: the whole dynamics of this, this this White House meeting

743
00:38:28,573 --> 00:38:31,413
Speaker 2: with Zelensky, Trump and JD. Vants, I think it says

744
00:38:31,453 --> 00:38:34,213
Speaker 2: a whole lot if you are if Trump is a

745
00:38:34,253 --> 00:38:37,453
Speaker 2: petulant child, as the Texter is saying, and you want

746
00:38:37,493 --> 00:38:40,333
Speaker 2: to get something from that petulent child, then you have

747
00:38:40,373 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 2: to play that petulent child's game. Forget it, because really

748
00:38:43,293 --> 00:38:45,453
Speaker 2: all Zelensky's there is to get the best result for

749
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Speaker 2: his country.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And that would seem to me to be continued support

752
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Speaker 2: from the US.

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Speaker 3: And by all accounts, that deal was on the table,

754
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Speaker 3: right the minerals deal that was there, ready to be signed,

755
00:38:55,573 --> 00:38:57,173
Speaker 3: and because it was a bit of a meltdown in

756
00:38:57,213 --> 00:39:01,613
Speaker 3: that meeting, that deal wasn't signed and Zolensky left Americas.

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00:39:01,613 --> 00:39:05,013
Speaker 3: So that is a lose lose for everybody he involved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we're going to keep this guying because

759
00:39:07,013 --> 00:39:10,693
Speaker 2: there's so many cares and simony texts and not everyone's

760
00:39:10,693 --> 00:39:12,733
Speaker 2: got to say, And of course not everyone will get

761
00:39:12,733 --> 00:39:15,053
Speaker 2: a say unfortunately, because we don't have five days to

762
00:39:15,093 --> 00:39:19,493
Speaker 2: talk about it. But we'll keep this going after the news. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 3: Wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 3: call nine two if you want to send a text message.

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Speaker 3: New Sport and Weather on its way. You're listening to

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Speaker 3: Matt and Tyler. Very good afternoon to.

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Speaker 1: You, talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons with the Volvo X ninety News talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you seven pass too. We're going to

771
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Speaker 3: carry this conversation on about Zelenski and what he was

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Speaker 3: wearing in that meeting in the Oval Office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a proxy conversation, just to try and lower

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Speaker 2: the heat a little bit because we want to talk

775
00:40:16,293 --> 00:40:19,292
Speaker 2: about the whole Ukraine situation. It's very complicated at the moment.

776
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Speaker 2: We all saw what happened in the Oval Office. We

777
00:40:22,053 --> 00:40:27,773
Speaker 2: all saw the blow up between Zelenski, vance and Trump.

778
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Speaker 2: But we're sort of having a little bit of a

779
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Speaker 2: proxy discussion around it, whether because the question was asked,

780
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Speaker 2: and this is a huge topic in America where it

781
00:40:35,213 --> 00:40:39,213
Speaker 2: was disrespectful what Zelensky wore, because he wore his classic

782
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Speaker 2: outfit that he wears, which signals that he's at war

783
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Speaker 2: and he's going in to make a deal with the

784
00:40:44,653 --> 00:40:47,933
Speaker 2: classic deal maker. Should you Should he have it would

785
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Speaker 2: have helped. It would have been a gesture that he's

786
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Speaker 2: ready to deal. If he'd worn a suit. It's a

787
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Speaker 2: proxy conversation, and as a result, we've had an hour

788
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Speaker 2: long friendly conversation about the Ukraine War just by taking

789
00:40:58,893 --> 00:41:00,933
Speaker 2: the heat off it a little bit, much like some

790
00:41:01,013 --> 00:41:04,212
Speaker 2: would say the Ukraine War is a proxy war. Geez, boys,

791
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:06,533
Speaker 2: you're sound in green. Zelensky has worn his uniform for

792
00:41:06,573 --> 00:41:08,733
Speaker 2: three years. Everyone knows that what he means. There's not

793
00:41:08,733 --> 00:41:10,133
Speaker 2: a single person in the world that doesn't know he's

794
00:41:10,173 --> 00:41:12,293
Speaker 2: worn that for three years, and it was no surprise

795
00:41:12,773 --> 00:41:15,253
Speaker 2: that would be what he was wearing for his meeting.

796
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Speaker 2: The meeting turned. It was set up by leading question

797
00:41:18,973 --> 00:41:21,933
Speaker 2: from a carefully planned pro Trump media lackey. Yeah, we

798
00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:25,573
Speaker 2: get that, Yeah, we get that. So there's nothing you've

799
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Speaker 2: chexted there that there isn't a single person listening that

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Speaker 2: doesn't agree with that. As an American says this texter,

801
00:41:31,413 --> 00:41:34,173
Speaker 2: I'd love nothing more than to see us was there

802
00:41:34,173 --> 00:41:36,853
Speaker 2: with their hands out. Of both the Ukraine conflict and

803
00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:39,613
Speaker 2: the Israeli conflict. We have given them heaps for little

804
00:41:39,653 --> 00:41:42,133
Speaker 2: to nothing in return, while they stand with their hands

805
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Speaker 2: out for more, and the rest of the world looks

806
00:41:43,813 --> 00:41:45,893
Speaker 2: at us to fill those hands. Tired of it, most

807
00:41:45,893 --> 00:41:48,732
Speaker 2: American people would rather see that money and if it's

808
00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:51,093
Speaker 2: spent bringing our country back to the standards we believe

809
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Speaker 2: it should be. And I guess that's the problem for Zelinsky.

810
00:41:53,813 --> 00:41:58,093
Speaker 2: He's going in to ask for diplomatic support, weapons and

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Speaker 2: money from a country that's given quite a lot and

812
00:42:02,293 --> 00:42:05,253
Speaker 2: has a and has a current president who's supported by

813
00:42:05,573 --> 00:42:08,212
Speaker 2: people who largely feel that they want the money spent

814
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Speaker 2: at home. So it's a difficult, difficult ask from Zelensky.

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Speaker 2: And as I kept saying before, absolutely very very difficult

816
00:42:19,013 --> 00:42:23,213
Speaker 2: for Zelensky to be completely diplomatic and keepers cool because

817
00:42:23,253 --> 00:42:25,053
Speaker 2: of all the things he's seen happened in Ukraine, and

818
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:28,773
Speaker 2: for his hatred for Putin because Putin invaded his country.

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Speaker 2: You get it, we get it.

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Speaker 3: It's called yep. It's complex. We know that text here. Hi, guys,

821
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Speaker 3: one thing about America is they will defend their assets.

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Speaker 3: Having American interest and investments in the mining industry in

823
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Speaker 3: Ukraine would give Ukraine some security, which what kicked off

824
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Speaker 3: their outdown. Yeah, good point.

825
00:42:44,813 --> 00:42:46,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there is an argument that if America

826
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Speaker 2: has a lot of business interests in Ukraine, it's better

827
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Speaker 2: than Ukraine being a NATO member, because Ukraine being a

828
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Speaker 2: NATO member is absolutely off the tables as far as

829
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Speaker 2: Putin is concerned. This is a way where if Russia

830
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Speaker 2: invaded after a peace deal, which will never go back

831
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Speaker 2: to the nineteen ninety one borders, but so the Ukraine

832
00:43:05,893 --> 00:43:08,573
Speaker 2: will probably have to give up some terratory in that

833
00:43:08,613 --> 00:43:12,373
Speaker 2: would be horrible for them, but you know that's probably

834
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Speaker 2: going to be the way it has to go. But

835
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Speaker 2: if America's in there, then it's much harder for Russia

836
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Speaker 2: to mess with American interests hugely conflicts. Let's go to

837
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Speaker 2: Alex who has some real skin in the game. Your

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Speaker 2: family lives in Ukraine, No, I just have.

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Speaker 17: Some family out there. They're living in Dunbas in Ukraine.

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Speaker 17: They're on the eastern side, as you probably know, close

841
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Speaker 17: to Rostov on the Don very close to there, but

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Speaker 17: they've been there virtually all their lives and a large

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Speaker 17: proportion of population in the eastern side a Russian anyway,

844
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Speaker 17: they're mixed, they're like the Maori and the park here,

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Speaker 17: you know, and there married and everything else. You did

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Speaker 17: a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: And what's the feeling on the ground from those family

848
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Speaker 3: members and don Bass Alex.

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Speaker 17: Mate, we've got no contact. We've got no contact at all.

850
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Speaker 17: Like all I can say is the whole idea of

851
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Speaker 17: this conflict is that if NATO wants to get in,

852
00:44:09,533 --> 00:44:11,772
Speaker 17: that's what started in the first place. If NATO gets

853
00:44:11,773 --> 00:44:15,733
Speaker 17: into Ukraine, you've got the same situation you had in

854
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Speaker 17: the sixties when with a Cuba missile crisis, where someone said,

855
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Speaker 17: don't cross the line, don't come in here, don't put

856
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Speaker 17: your missilets here. And that's what they don't want in Ukraine.

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Speaker 10: But it's very.

858
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Speaker 17: Hard to stop because Europe wants to keep moving, and

859
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Speaker 17: of course they've got their freedom after the elections and

860
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Speaker 17: they started going westerly. More and more and more want

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Speaker 17: to join NATO, want to join the EU. And you're

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Speaker 17: not going to resolve it eagerly, and it's going to

863
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Speaker 17: divide the country. But the country has been divided for ages.

864
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Speaker 17: You've got two religions.

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Speaker 9: You got.

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Speaker 17: Catholics in the north and you've got Russian Orthodox in

867
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Speaker 17: the south. And that happened after the invasion BiPOL and

868
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Speaker 17: five six hundred years ago, right, So they divided the

869
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Speaker 17: country completely that way. And this is why Zelenski's been

870
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Speaker 17: trying to keep the Russian language out because during the

871
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Speaker 17: Soviet Block period everyone spoke Russian and there's no answer.

872
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Speaker 17: And I think the only one that could really sort

873
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Speaker 17: it out was probably Trump the way he offered it.

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Speaker 17: And Zelenski's made a You know he's an actor, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Originally, yeah, that was how he started off. They didn't

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Speaker 17: even know he was then get elected because he was

878
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Speaker 17: just an actor. He's done very well, but he's certainly

879
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Speaker 17: become famous and he travels all over the world quite well.

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Speaker 17: Thank you very much. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think it was a bit

882
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Speaker 2: of a Do you think it was a bit of

883
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Speaker 2: a surprise for Zelensky because generally in his travels and

884
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Speaker 2: his appearances in front of other leaders and in front

885
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Speaker 2: of parliaments, he's traveled as you say, everywhere he's been

886
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Speaker 2: greeted as a hero, and he's been celebrated and applauded,

887
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Speaker 2: and this is one of the rare occasions where he

888
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Speaker 2: has been challenged, which may have he may have gone

889
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Speaker 2: into the meeting and look, and I'm wildly speculating here

890
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Speaker 2: with sort of unrealistic expectations of how it was going

891
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Speaker 2: to go down, because he is in slightly hostile territory

892
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Speaker 2: when he's when he's dealing with the Trump administration.

893
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Speaker 17: Yeah, but you've got to listen to Rubio's talk, right, Yeah.

894
00:46:25,293 --> 00:46:27,013
Speaker 2: I listened to that, yeah, right.

895
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Speaker 17: And he said he was told, this is what you're

896
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Speaker 17: here for, this is what you're doing. You requested it,

897
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Speaker 17: we wanted, so let's just make a deal. And it

898
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Speaker 17: turned into rubbish.

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Speaker 2: But can you can you see from Zelenski's point of

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Speaker 2: view that he is probably just so absolutely filled with

901
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Speaker 2: hatred for Putin and everything that's gone down and everything

902
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Speaker 2: he's seen and all the apartment buildings he's seen destroyed,

903
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Speaker 2: and all the people and the terrible things that have happened,

904
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Speaker 2: that it would be very very hard and a stronger

905
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Speaker 2: person than than than nearly anyone on the planet to

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Speaker 2: keep you cool.

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Speaker 17: Well, yeah, he changed quite a bit in the last

908
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Speaker 17: few years. I remember listening to his speeches when he

909
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Speaker 17: was elected, and he has changed dramatically and he has

910
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Speaker 17: had strengthened. But look at the way he's been getting

911
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Speaker 17: rid of his generals one after the other, same as

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Speaker 17: Nardie Trump does.

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Speaker 3: Going back to what supposedly he was asking for, and

914
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Speaker 3: we know there was an agreement on the table to

915
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Speaker 3: give America a slice of the mineral industry within Ukraine,

916
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Speaker 3: and that could have acted as a security measure of

917
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Speaker 3: Putin didn't keep his word for some sort of peace agreement.

918
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Speaker 3: But you can see where Zelensky may be coming from

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Speaker 3: by saying that he wants a security deal because he

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Speaker 3: doesn't trust Putin.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, but he doesn't trust anyone, right. And the thing is,

922
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Speaker 17: if he wants a security that was probably the best

923
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Speaker 17: security who could get by having America involved in Ukraine itself,

924
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Speaker 17: because they would have people on the ground as well,

925
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Speaker 17: and they would make sure they were protecting their interests.

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Speaker 17: So it was probably the best deal he could have got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's the thing, isn't it. And one of

928
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Speaker 2: these deals to bring up peace, it's always a horrible compromise.

929
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Speaker 2: And you have to almost make horrible compromises before the

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Speaker 2: other side will make the horrible compromise. And from Trump's perspective,

931
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Speaker 2: and we're giving all perspectives here, and we'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear from hundred eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two

933
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Speaker 2: if you disagree. But from Trump's perspective, he is saying

934
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Speaker 2: to Zelenski, you can't keep insulting Putin and you can't

935
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Speaker 2: keep And that's what the Biden administration did, wasn't talking

936
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Speaker 2: to him, keep insulting him, keep insulting them, keeping somelfing,

937
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Speaker 2: and the Putin will never come to the table. So

938
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Speaker 2: if the result you want is peace, it's it's it's horrible.

939
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Speaker 2: It's never a great option. It's often a great option

940
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Speaker 2: because it stops the people killing, but it's never works

941
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Speaker 2: out perfectly for anyone, and often works out horribly, especially

942
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Speaker 2: if there's no real foreseeable exit strategy from the war.

943
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Speaker 2: I can't see it, can you No?

944
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Speaker 3: And it's costing America billions and billions of do we

945
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Speaker 3: looked it up, approximately one hundred and eighty two billion

946
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Speaker 3: dollars since the war started. That's according to the UIs

947
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Speaker 3: Department of Defense. It's a lot of money. It could

948
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Speaker 3: be used for other things.

949
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Speaker 2: Right, and also costing a whole lot of lives. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is the real cost?

951
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen past two.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk Matt and Taylor Afternoons

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Speaker 1: with the Volvo XC ninety. Turn every journey into something special.

955
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Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty. News Talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good, afternoon, nineteen past two.

957
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Speaker 2: We're talking about the thing everyone else is talking about.

958
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Speaker 2: If they're not talking about the warriors, We're talking about

959
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Speaker 2: a much bigger issue of what happened at the White

960
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Speaker 2: House with Celenski and Trump over the weekend. Jill, your thoughts.

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Speaker 20: I'm just going to throw this out there. What would

962
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Speaker 20: happen if a New Zealander turned up to those talks

963
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Speaker 20: wearing a Mari cloak? Would it be acceptable? Because we

964
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Speaker 20: already do it? And Churchill wore a special uniform, and

965
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Speaker 20: when he wore a suit and he had to go

966
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Speaker 20: down to the bunkers, they could easy just rip that

967
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Speaker 20: suit off and put a military hairy dress on. It

968
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Speaker 20: got to the point he wore a military dress. But

969
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Speaker 20: what is pay for Zelinsky because Elon Musk turns up

970
00:50:42,813 --> 00:50:45,893
Speaker 20: jeans t shirt Oddie with a kid on his shoulders.

971
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Speaker 2: But Elon Musk isn't trying to get anything out of Trump,

972
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Speaker 2: is he, whereas was trying to get something out of America.

973
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what they're something a little different.

974
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Speaker 20: But also Russia needs the through Ukraine minerals because that's

975
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Speaker 20: what they lay their weapons in. And Ukraine it's used

976
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Speaker 20: to also belong to Sweden and crime there was also

977
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Speaker 20: part of the Ottoman Empire. Well yeah, very long history.

978
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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that the whole owl charge of

979
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Speaker 2: the Light Brigade, the Ottoman Empire and the British wind

980
00:51:20,133 --> 00:51:24,173
Speaker 2: to fight and Crimea and that was there was Florence.

981
00:51:24,213 --> 00:51:26,773
Speaker 2: That was Florence Nightdale. It was, It was fantastic.

982
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Speaker 20: The one time Ukraine was very happy was under the

983
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Speaker 20: hun Empire. But that was going banks ages ago.

984
00:51:35,293 --> 00:51:37,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what was very very cool was

985
00:51:37,853 --> 00:51:40,692
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Winston Churchill, what Jill brings up there?

986
00:51:40,773 --> 00:51:44,613
Speaker 2: So I guess nineteen forty one, just after Pearl Harvest,

987
00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:47,253
Speaker 2: six days later he jumped on. I believe it was

988
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Speaker 2: the Duke of York warship and just went straight over

989
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:53,133
Speaker 2: to America, you know, trying some men America joining the war.

990
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:55,693
Speaker 2: But I mean he just jump jumped on a warship

991
00:51:55,893 --> 00:51:58,093
Speaker 2: at that point, Churchill and went over to America when

992
00:51:58,093 --> 00:52:01,333
Speaker 2: there's U boats everywhere, the huge risk he went, and

993
00:52:01,413 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 2: he stayed at the White House for a very long time,

994
00:52:03,053 --> 00:52:05,013
Speaker 2: stayed for Christmas. Back then you had to stay for

995
00:52:05,133 --> 00:52:06,293
Speaker 2: quite a while when you went over there.

996
00:52:06,453 --> 00:52:06,692
Speaker 3: Yeah.

997
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:12,093
Speaker 2: But famously Franklin Roosevelt said to his wife Eleanor, he said,

998
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Speaker 2: I've got some people staying for Christmas. I'm not sure

999
00:52:13,933 --> 00:52:16,733
Speaker 2: how many, but just make sure there's a lot of

1000
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Speaker 2: food available for the Christmas. Prime man very smart and

1001
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Speaker 2: they I think they ended up spending about one hundred

1002
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Speaker 2: and thirteen days together between ninety forty one and ninety

1003
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Speaker 2: forty five in the end of the In the war,

1004
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Speaker 2: roseveut In Churchill, they struck up a quite a friendship.

1005
00:52:32,053 --> 00:52:36,333
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean famously, Churchill I did wear a

1006
00:52:36,373 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 2: military uniform to the White House and no one seemed

1007
00:52:39,413 --> 00:52:40,053
Speaker 2: to have a problem.

1008
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:43,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think the difference there is that Roosevelt

1009
00:52:43,533 --> 00:52:48,533
Speaker 3: didn't feel any disrespect with that boiler suit or war

1010
00:52:48,853 --> 00:52:52,133
Speaker 3: garb that he was wearing. Military garb. And that's a difference, right,

1011
00:52:52,293 --> 00:52:57,173
Speaker 3: is that this scenario very different to Churchill meeting Roosevelt

1012
00:52:57,213 --> 00:52:59,493
Speaker 3: after Pearl Harbor, very different, very different.

1013
00:52:59,573 --> 00:53:01,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're not talking about the rights and wrongs.

1014
00:53:01,373 --> 00:53:05,573
Speaker 2: Who's evil, who's not evil, who's morally right? I guess

1015
00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:09,613
Speaker 2: is the question. The thing is Len's going to the

1016
00:53:09,653 --> 00:53:13,893
Speaker 2: White House to try and get something from the Trump administration,

1017
00:53:14,173 --> 00:53:18,533
Speaker 2: who don't need to be involved anymore. In fact, a

1018
00:53:18,573 --> 00:53:21,652
Speaker 2: lot of their supporters don't support the situation, so it's

1019
00:53:21,693 --> 00:53:24,773
Speaker 2: a proxy conversation. But if you'd want to suit and

1020
00:53:24,813 --> 00:53:26,253
Speaker 2: I know that he hasn't. For the last three years,

1021
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:28,813
Speaker 2: it's been his thing to say I'm at war, maybe

1022
00:53:28,813 --> 00:53:30,613
Speaker 2: that would have made things go a little smoother, because

1023
00:53:30,613 --> 00:53:33,013
Speaker 2: it's just a way to say thank you, and we're

1024
00:53:33,053 --> 00:53:35,812
Speaker 2: here to deal. But maybe Zaninski wasn't there to deal

1025
00:53:35,933 --> 00:53:38,973
Speaker 2: because maybe he's too hurt and he's too rightly angry

1026
00:53:38,973 --> 00:53:41,813
Speaker 2: at what's happened that he can't really bring himself to

1027
00:53:41,853 --> 00:53:45,493
Speaker 2: give Putin what Putin needs to accept a deal.

1028
00:53:45,653 --> 00:53:47,933
Speaker 3: And maybe he wanted to galvanize Europe to spend a

1029
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:50,893
Speaker 3: bit more on their defense. Maybe maybe oh eight hundred

1030
00:53:50,973 --> 00:53:52,893
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is

1031
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Speaker 3: twenty three pass.

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Speaker 1: Two Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk zby.

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Speaker 3: Good after Noon, Welcome into the show. Twenty five past two.

1035
00:54:07,773 --> 00:54:09,813
Speaker 3: Controvert victual topic, but we're loving it.

1036
00:54:09,813 --> 00:54:13,293
Speaker 2: It's going off. Yeah, yeah, So a lot of discussion

1037
00:54:13,333 --> 00:54:16,053
Speaker 2: on both sides with our little proxy discussion on the

1038
00:54:16,333 --> 00:54:20,693
Speaker 2: whole Ukraine War. Too much emphasis on Zelensky's clothes. What

1039
00:54:20,733 --> 00:54:23,813
Speaker 2: about Muskka telling Trump to shut his mouth or was

1040
00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:27,133
Speaker 2: that ai? That's a good question, but there a lot

1041
00:54:27,173 --> 00:54:29,133
Speaker 2: of people are texting this. How come Elon musk and

1042
00:54:29,173 --> 00:54:32,133
Speaker 2: wear a cap and not be formal in the office.

1043
00:54:32,853 --> 00:54:35,333
Speaker 2: He can, Zelensky can wear what he wants as well.

1044
00:54:35,413 --> 00:54:39,773
Speaker 2: We're just talking about the messaging of it. And Elon's

1045
00:54:39,813 --> 00:54:42,093
Speaker 2: not going in there to get a deal for his country.

1046
00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:47,813
Speaker 2: He's not negotiating anything with Trump. He's on Trump's side.

1047
00:54:47,933 --> 00:54:51,652
Speaker 2: They are presenting together to the world as opposed to

1048
00:54:51,853 --> 00:54:55,813
Speaker 2: coming together to make a deal that's beneficial for your country.

1049
00:54:56,093 --> 00:54:58,652
Speaker 2: Zelensky was trying to do.

1050
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Speaker 3: And if you want a juxtaposition of different styles, you

1051
00:55:01,973 --> 00:55:06,213
Speaker 3: look at Starma versus Zelensky, very very different styles. And

1052
00:55:06,253 --> 00:55:09,413
Speaker 3: you've got to say Starma got criticism for the praise

1053
00:55:09,693 --> 00:55:13,853
Speaker 3: and how he treated Trump, but it got he got

1054
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Speaker 3: some deals across the line, and I think that was

1055
00:55:16,173 --> 00:55:20,733
Speaker 3: beneficial for the UK and America. He treated Trump with respect.

1056
00:55:20,893 --> 00:55:22,933
Speaker 3: He is the president, whether you like it or not,

1057
00:55:23,733 --> 00:55:27,733
Speaker 3: versus a Lenski's approach, which was more combative. And so

1058
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Speaker 3: who was the winner out of those two different styles

1059
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Speaker 3: of strategy for meeting Trump?

1060
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Speaker 2: Aaron, you were today, I think you want to talk

1061
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Speaker 2: about World wars.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, well as anyone addressed the Budapest Agreement, where when

1063
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Speaker 21: after the war, the Ukraine gave up all the knukes

1064
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Speaker 21: that were on their territory and the US promised to

1065
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Speaker 21: provide them protection with the UK and a couple of

1066
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Speaker 21: the other allies, and Russia agreed never ever to invade again.

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Speaker 21: So Russia since then invaded the Georgia, the Chechen Republic twice,

1068
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Speaker 21: Finland they invaded just during World War two. And during

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Speaker 21: World War two, twenty million, twenty million the Ukrainians died

1070
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Speaker 21: because the Soviet Union took all the food to feed

1071
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Speaker 21: their army.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

1074
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then remember the New Deal obviously were so

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Speaker 2: we're going back and forward in time. We were going

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Speaker 2: pre World War two, World War two and.

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Speaker 21: World War two. Yeah, that was only ninety three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was after the breakup of the Soviet Union,

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Speaker 2: where Ukraine was in a weird situation where it became

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Speaker 2: an independent country after a referendument and election. It was

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Speaker 2: hugely popular, I think was ninety two percent of Ukrainians

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Speaker 2: involved to become independent voted to become independent. But they

1083
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Speaker 2: were an interesting position where the head in yukes, but

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Speaker 2: Russia had control of the nukes, had the technology to

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Speaker 2: control the nukes, which was a bizarre situation to be in.

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Speaker 21: But that was the point that they were going to

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Speaker 21: the promise not to invade them, and the USA provided

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Speaker 21: would provide protection. But not only that. The war's been

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Speaker 21: going on since twenty fourteen. I mean, the Russia invaded

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Speaker 21: the crime here, took over their land, which they rucified,

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Speaker 21: and this is what they've gotten for Ukraine again, I

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Speaker 21: mean they want the rucified, They want to stamp out

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Speaker 21: the Ukrainian ethnic group. So the call, I mean, they've

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Speaker 21: taken twenty thousand children out of there. They've also committed

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Speaker 21: war crimes where their army and azuel documentaries from the UN.

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Speaker 21: And listen when we talk about Trump, he's not the

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Speaker 21: good guy. He's moving away from the European Union. He's

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Speaker 21: talked about invading, nixing Canada, he's talked about any mixing Mexico, Panama, Greenland, so.

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Speaker 2: Eron, just a question for you, when if we keep

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Speaker 2: it back move back to the Ukraine, do you see

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Speaker 2: a path for victory for the Ukraine and what would

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Speaker 2: a Ukrainian victory look like?

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Speaker 21: Well, Russia will never ever keep to its word. I

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Speaker 21: mean it's broken at so many times. The thing is.

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Speaker 4: They know.

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Speaker 10: The actual.

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Speaker 21: A bit lost here, but when they say that the

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00:58:42,893 --> 00:58:45,453
Speaker 21: lin is holding his hand out for money, they know

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Speaker 21: that if they sanctions put on Russia to weaken their

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Speaker 21: economy so that they can no longer fight. If there's

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Speaker 21: just a pause or there's no security guarantees, they'll just

1112
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Speaker 21: arm themselves and want to take this. I mean there's

1113
00:59:02,773 --> 00:59:05,733
Speaker 21: no secret that Russia's talked about they want the Balkans next.

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00:59:06,613 --> 00:59:10,653
Speaker 21: They want to restore the basically the old Soviet Union.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you for your call, Aaron. I just

1116
00:59:14,773 --> 00:59:18,293
Speaker 2: can't see a deal where Ukraine gets the nineteen ninety

1117
00:59:18,333 --> 00:59:21,093
Speaker 2: one borders back. I just, I just, I just want

1118
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Speaker 2: someone to describe a pathway to victory for Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: And it's so complex, a missing You're right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is what negotiations are all about. And if you've

1121
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Speaker 3: got two people at opposite sites of that argument to say, with.

1122
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Speaker 2: A lot of hate and a lot of death, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's it's a very very tough situation.

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Speaker 2: But should Zelens give Warner suits?

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Speaker 4: The way?

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Speaker 3: Was that a bad strategy?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 3: A hundred and eighty.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylen and having a discussion. Let's

1150
01:01:09,813 --> 01:01:13,253
Speaker 3: bring it back too. What's Zelensky war and that meeting?

1151
01:01:13,533 --> 01:01:16,013
Speaker 2: But Donald Trump, as I keep saying, it's a proxy discussion,

1152
01:01:16,093 --> 01:01:18,733
Speaker 2: so we can get into the whole thing. But everyone's

1153
01:01:18,773 --> 01:01:22,533
Speaker 2: gone for every angle on this meeting in the White

1154
01:01:22,573 --> 01:01:25,653
Speaker 2: House between Zolensky and Trump and Jadie Vance and how

1155
01:01:25,693 --> 01:01:28,733
Speaker 2: it blew up. But you know, if you're going to

1156
01:01:28,773 --> 01:01:31,613
Speaker 2: negotiate with Trump and you want to get something from him,

1157
01:01:31,653 --> 01:01:34,733
Speaker 2: maybe you have to wear what he would normally expect

1158
01:01:34,773 --> 01:01:36,893
Speaker 2: you to wear as a mark of respect. It's like

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Speaker 2: if I'm at a job interview, I'll wear something that's

1160
01:01:40,413 --> 01:01:41,773
Speaker 2: a bit nicer than I or a weird of the

1161
01:01:41,773 --> 01:01:43,973
Speaker 2: pub because I want something. And I understand that that's

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01:01:43,973 --> 01:01:47,413
Speaker 2: been Zelensky's outfit for the whole time, and it signals

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Speaker 2: a lot about the bravery of the Ukrainian fighters and

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01:01:51,093 --> 01:01:53,293
Speaker 2: his bravery and staying in the country. I understand it

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01:01:53,373 --> 01:01:56,053
Speaker 2: signifies a lot. But that's why it's such a great

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01:01:56,293 --> 01:02:00,573
Speaker 2: proxy topic, isn't it, Because it's all about negotiation. Is

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Speaker 2: it about where they were or where they need to

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Speaker 2: go to finish this war? And has Zelenski got the

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Speaker 2: you know, can his stomach ending the war because he'd

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Speaker 2: have to give a lot to the Russians because they're

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Speaker 2: just in the more powerful position.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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01:02:16,973 --> 01:02:17,693
Speaker 3: numbered call.

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Speaker 2: Sarah, Welcome to the show. Your thoughts?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I just wonder do you think King Charles had

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Speaker 22: a problem with what he was wearing?

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Speaker 2: King Charles, I don't think so. But then again, Zelenski

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Speaker 2: wasn't asking anything off. He wasn't asking for anything off

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Speaker 2: King Charles was he It's very.

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Speaker 22: Respect wearing a suit to respect. He's wearing what he wears.

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Speaker 22: I think that he said more how he turned up

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Speaker 22: in a suit for Trump and then his normal attire

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Speaker 22: for the King. I think that could have been even worse.

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Speaker 22: Or how do he turned up Trump wearing his top? Absolutely,

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Speaker 22: but he's wearing what he's wearing, and that's him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think, Sarah, that it would have

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01:03:00,813 --> 01:03:02,493
Speaker 2: been a big statement if you'd put the suit on,

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Speaker 2: because then he was whatever way, it's a statement, and

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Speaker 2: I guarantee they discussed it. I guarantee they discussed what

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Speaker 2: he was going to wear the Ukrainians.

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Speaker 22: I think he would have looked like he was groveling

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Speaker 22: to a bully, and I think that'd have been a

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01:03:16,173 --> 01:03:18,973
Speaker 22: worth message. I think he sticks with it with.

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Speaker 3: What he does.

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Speaker 2: Do you think do you think though, that he might

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01:03:22,373 --> 01:03:28,893
Speaker 2: need to be not groveling but needing to He's trying

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01:03:28,933 --> 01:03:33,533
Speaker 2: to negotiate diplomatic support, weapons and money from the United

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Speaker 2: States and has already received a lot of money. So

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing devil's advocate here, But perhaps wearing a

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01:03:39,493 --> 01:03:41,293
Speaker 2: suit would be a way to turn up and say, look,

1202
01:03:41,933 --> 01:03:44,893
Speaker 2: thank you so much, and what can we do? To

1203
01:03:44,933 --> 01:03:48,133
Speaker 2: continue and can we get the steel done?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I mean it's he thanks other people for contributing.

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Speaker 22: He doesn't wear a.

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Speaker 2: Suit, then, no, he's and he's had a great reception

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Speaker 2: to his outfit in the past, he's had standing ovations.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, exactly. And if it's about negotiations, you negotiate with

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Speaker 22: your worst, you negotiate with worse clothing. I understand how suits,

1210
01:04:10,973 --> 01:04:12,933
Speaker 22: but he's just that's what he wears.

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Speaker 23: That's just him.

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Speaker 2: And that this might sound like a really trivial example, Sarah,

1213
01:04:18,893 --> 01:04:21,493
Speaker 2: because it is. But it was like when I was

1214
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Speaker 2: meeting my mother in law for the first time and

1215
01:04:25,253 --> 01:04:28,013
Speaker 2: my partner. She says to me, and I was currently

1216
01:04:28,053 --> 01:04:30,653
Speaker 2: in a stupid radio thing where I wasn't cutting my

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Speaker 2: hair for a year, and she said, when you meet mum,

1218
01:04:33,573 --> 01:04:35,733
Speaker 2: can you please brush your hair just so? Can you

1219
01:04:35,733 --> 01:04:38,253
Speaker 2: please look tidy to meet mum. She's very particular about

1220
01:04:38,293 --> 01:04:42,453
Speaker 2: these kind of things. And I wanted to come across

1221
01:04:42,533 --> 01:04:47,213
Speaker 2: in a certain way, so I dressed to impress absolutely

1222
01:04:48,373 --> 01:04:49,173
Speaker 2: first impression.

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Speaker 22: And we've already met before two years and what it

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Speaker 22: was and that's not the first impression.

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Speaker 4: Good point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, like this yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean one hundred percent right there, Sarah, there will be

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Speaker 2: no surprise what Zelenski was going to wear. But maybe

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Speaker 2: I guess what we're saying is, maybe it could have

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Speaker 2: been a real statement he's turned up in the suit

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Speaker 2: and tie. It would have actually, now I say it

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01:05:11,973 --> 01:05:14,613
Speaker 2: would have been kind of ridiculous. He turns up in

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Speaker 2: the seven tie, would have made I am ready to

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Speaker 2: make this deal. That's what it would say, I'm here

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Speaker 2: to sign this deal. But maybe he wasn't. Maybe he

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Speaker 2: wasn't and he didn't want to give that signal, Sarah.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, but then you know, turning up to meet the

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Speaker 22: King turner for official photograph, what does he do? And

1239
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Speaker 22: he just sticks what he sticks to her?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if Sarah, he turned up worth a

1241
01:05:36,613 --> 01:05:39,133
Speaker 3: nice present for Donald Trump and JD. Vance. And I

1242
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Speaker 3: don't say that, you know, in a joking way. I'm

1243
01:05:42,933 --> 01:05:44,933
Speaker 3: being dead serious. And I know I brought it up

1244
01:05:44,973 --> 01:05:47,533
Speaker 3: quite a bit. But Sir Keir Starmer and his interaction

1245
01:05:47,613 --> 01:05:50,093
Speaker 3: with Donald Trump and had that letter from the King,

1246
01:05:50,213 --> 01:05:53,413
Speaker 3: and clearly that was a strategy he had to employ

1247
01:05:53,493 --> 01:05:55,773
Speaker 3: a lot of praise because that is what Donald Trump

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01:05:55,813 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 3: clearly responds to. And so Zelenski had that strategy in

1249
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,333
Speaker 3: mind to get America on side. Maybe it didn't need

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01:06:02,373 --> 01:06:04,493
Speaker 3: to be a suit, but if he came armed with

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01:06:04,573 --> 01:06:07,893
Speaker 3: a nice gift, surely that may have done a bit

1252
01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:11,453
Speaker 3: more to get them on side. And maybe it didn't

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01:06:11,493 --> 01:06:13,293
Speaker 3: implode some flowers.

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Speaker 22: Maybe he had a problem come up with a comment that, oh,

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Speaker 22: my money paid for that. Anyway, why are you wasting

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01:06:19,213 --> 01:06:27,453
Speaker 22: my money? Enough prevalent and he shouldn't be trying to bribe.

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Speaker 22: I mean, surely he managed to say, come.

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Speaker 2: On, yeah, thank you so much for your call, sir.

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Speaker 22: I understand that's okay.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks so much. Yeah, great, cal Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: a fair points that it may have blown up in

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Speaker 3: his face.

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Speaker 2: Either way, it could have gone he turned up in

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Speaker 2: a really really nice suit, nes Lensky said, maybe after

1265
01:06:46,333 --> 01:06:47,933
Speaker 2: the war, maybe'll wear a suit. Maybe it'll be nice

1266
01:06:47,933 --> 01:06:49,733
Speaker 2: that one like yours. Maybe it'd be nicer than yours.

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01:06:50,493 --> 01:06:54,613
Speaker 2: If he turned up in a fifteen thousand dollars designer suit,

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01:06:55,373 --> 01:06:57,893
Speaker 2: the American taxpayer might have been going, do we freaking

1269
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Speaker 2: pay for that?

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Speaker 3: Respectful? We getting that money from one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty Oh can.

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Speaker 2: We stop this? Text? Elon Musk has never worn a

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01:07:04,573 --> 01:07:08,333
Speaker 2: suit and even wears a cap. No outcrozier. Oh my god,

1274
01:07:08,453 --> 01:07:10,853
Speaker 2: on that text. Will been receiving thousands of these texts.

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01:07:10,853 --> 01:07:15,733
Speaker 2: Elon Musk isn't asking for diplomatic support or weapons or

1276
01:07:15,773 --> 01:07:20,493
Speaker 2: money for a for a conflict in his own country.

1277
01:07:20,533 --> 01:07:23,493
Speaker 2: With very serious ramifications. He's on the same side as

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01:07:23,493 --> 01:07:27,213
Speaker 2: Trump standing there presenting together. It's very it's not a

1279
01:07:27,253 --> 01:07:28,253
Speaker 2: comparable situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, apples and oranges, thank you very much, o it.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

1283
01:07:39,773 --> 01:07:43,773
Speaker 1: matt and Taylor afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety attention

1284
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Speaker 1: to detail and a commitment to comfort news talks.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be good afternoon, having a good discussion. He did discussion,

1286
01:07:50,693 --> 01:07:55,173
Speaker 3: but passionate discussion about Zelensky and Trump and JD. Vance's

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Speaker 3: meeting in the White House that kind of imploded a

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Speaker 3: little bit. But bringing it back too, whether or not

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Speaker 3: he should have worn a soup. Plenty of texts coming

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Speaker 3: through on nine to ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, Trump had no intentions of negotiating with

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Speaker 2: the minute. I'll start that again. Come on, guys, Come on, guys.

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Speaker 2: Trump had no intentions of negotiating with the Vilensky. Trump

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01:08:17,293 --> 01:08:19,532
Speaker 2: is a bully. It's his way, all the highway. As

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Speaker 2: the reporter asking Zelensky about not having a suit as

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Speaker 2: for him, he's Marjorie Taylor Green's boyfriend looking for brownie

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Speaker 2: points for his girlfriend. Zelensky walked away when he saw

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Speaker 2: he was going to get nothing for his country and

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Speaker 2: have to give all his minerals to the demented Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's from Anna. Thank you for your text. Hi, guys.

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Speaker 2: Difference with Winston's Churchill as he was a lieutenant colonel

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Speaker 2: in the army, Zelensky has no rank.

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Speaker 3: Yep, there you go, fair enough to nine nine two.

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Speaker 3: There's so many techs that have come through. But we'll

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Speaker 3: go to the phones. Trevor, how are you.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys?

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Speaker 3: Tell you goods? What's your thoughts?

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Speaker 13: Well, look, first of all, missus Zlenski, when he I

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Speaker 13: think he will be out of his position of running

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Speaker 13: his country, I think that's the only way a p

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Speaker 13: still can be done. And I just like to know

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Speaker 13: if he joins the front line to fight the war,

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01:09:13,492 --> 01:09:15,293
Speaker 13: all you do a bit of a sad Imazane and

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Speaker 13: heide in a hole, tell everybody else to go out

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Speaker 13: and die. You know what I find amazing about this

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Speaker 13: Trump first time who's in power, and this time all

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Speaker 13: we hear is a warmonger. You know when you look

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Speaker 13: at Trump, Trump is always calling for peace he mentioned

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Speaker 13: so many times, and innocent people dying. You know, there was

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Speaker 13: no new walls under him, which was almost amazing. He

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Speaker 13: got rid of Isis who were creating havoc from their caves.

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Speaker 13: Pakistan Afghanistan with the Mother of All bombs Bagon, big

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Speaker 13: peace in the world. And look, I just look. People

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Speaker 13: don't like this, but let me tell you the countries

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01:09:52,652 --> 01:09:56,012
Speaker 13: that don't like our Western world, our way of life,

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01:09:56,492 --> 01:10:00,412
Speaker 13: like Youran's, you're China, you're Russia, the little rocket man.

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Speaker 13: We better start grobbling to America because even Europe and

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Speaker 13: Britain say, now without America, they can't, they can't in

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Speaker 13: that war.

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Speaker 2: Now, Trevor, I'll say, for example, let's say let's bring

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Speaker 2: it to New Zealand. Right, So you're in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Your country gets invaded, and maybe there's some history that's

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Speaker 2: leading up to that. Whatever. Your country gets invaded, and

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Speaker 2: then there's a huge there's three years of fighting, a

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Speaker 2: lot of destruction, a lot of death, a lot of

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Speaker 2: horrible stuff has happened to your people and you've seen it. Now,

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Speaker 2: do you reckon you would be able to be the

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Speaker 2: bigger man in the negotiation? Do you reckon you would

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Speaker 2: be able to give up what you need to give

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Speaker 2: up to the aggressor to get a peace deal, or

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Speaker 2: do you think you would just be so full of

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Speaker 2: heat hate like I probably would be, that I would

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Speaker 2: not be able to deal with anything in a rational way.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think that last time you made it, it

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01:10:54,532 --> 01:11:00,253
Speaker 13: had to be somebody rational, because you know, Ukraine can't win,

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Speaker 13: and you know at the moment the world is saying

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Speaker 13: that people have to pay their way in the world

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Speaker 13: now America. Trump will tell you America has lost so

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Speaker 13: much of its wealth mainly to another country who are

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Speaker 13: just sitting on the sidelines, while the Western world is

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01:11:14,692 --> 01:11:18,133
Speaker 13: getting weaker and weaker and weaker by giving money away

1352
01:11:18,692 --> 01:11:22,772
Speaker 13: and fighting wars and a Chinese communist pardy, not Chinese people.

1353
01:11:23,452 --> 01:11:26,852
Speaker 13: Chinese community are cruising now down our part of the world,

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Speaker 13: just taking over another Pacific island. And you know, stupid

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Speaker 13: New Zealanders say Oh, why would they want New Zealanders

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01:11:32,772 --> 01:11:35,252
Speaker 13: they're so small? Well, why do they want to cook islands?

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Speaker 13: That was very small? And I just think people have

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Speaker 13: to be realistic. The world is a very dangerous point

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Speaker 13: and whether we like it or not, whether we like

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Speaker 13: it or not, without America, our way of life, our

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Speaker 13: style of life, which I think people most people know

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Speaker 13: with the catyships, and that is without doubt for ninety

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Speaker 13: percent of the population to live there is the best

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Speaker 13: way of living. And if we're not careful, it's gone.

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Speaker 13: We have to bow to America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, thank you for your call, Trivor appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: The interesting point is we do desperately need them here

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Speaker 3: a on side with us. And clearly, look, it was

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Speaker 3: one of the it was one of the platforms that

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Speaker 3: Trump campaigned on, right that America first and the kind

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01:12:16,853 --> 01:12:18,572
Speaker 3: of sick of being the guardian angels of the world,

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Speaker 3: and it's costing them a lot of money and they've

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01:12:20,333 --> 01:12:22,133
Speaker 3: got issues at home and they need to focus on

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01:12:22,173 --> 01:12:24,812
Speaker 3: American people first. That is a big chunk of why

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01:12:24,853 --> 01:12:27,812
Speaker 3: he got elected, right. Yeah, So you can't argue with that, Well,

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01:12:27,853 --> 01:12:30,212
Speaker 3: you can't argue with that if you're not in America.

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Speaker 3: But you've got to treat carefully because that is what

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01:12:32,812 --> 01:12:35,412
Speaker 3: the American people ask full by and large, they elected

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and he is delivering on that. How the

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Speaker 3: West and US respond to that, I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: big question. And bring it back to Zelenski.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he responded, right, yeah, Well, and

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01:12:46,013 --> 01:12:48,173
Speaker 2: you know, and further to what we were just talking about,

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Speaker 2: what was the last called his name? Sorry I forgot Trevor.

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01:12:51,692 --> 01:12:54,213
Speaker 2: Sorry what Trevor was saying. New Zealand and Australia in

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01:12:54,213 --> 01:12:57,412
Speaker 2: this really difficult position right now where there's America and

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Speaker 2: China and we're trying to thread the needle between those

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01:13:00,933 --> 01:13:04,692
Speaker 2: two huge trading partner. Well, China's our number one and

1389
01:13:04,732 --> 01:13:07,333
Speaker 2: now the USA as our number two trading partner in Australia.

1390
01:13:07,372 --> 01:13:10,612
Speaker 2: So we're trying to go between these two people one

1391
01:13:10,772 --> 01:13:14,813
Speaker 2: and have a strategic alliance with America and as allies

1392
01:13:14,973 --> 01:13:19,333
Speaker 2: you know, unformally in some ways, and whilst trying to

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01:13:19,372 --> 01:13:22,492
Speaker 2: not annoy Eachina. It's a very very difficult situation for

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and Australia right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties the

1396
01:13:26,772 --> 01:13:29,692
Speaker 3: number to call it is ten to three.

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Speaker 4: Back for surely the issues that affect you and if

1398
01:13:33,933 --> 01:13:35,093
Speaker 4: it have fun along the way.

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor Afternoons with the Volvo xc N eighty Innovation,

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Speaker 1: Style and Design, have it all News talks, B.

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01:13:43,532 --> 01:13:46,053
Speaker 3: News talks there B it is eight to three.

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01:13:46,772 --> 01:13:51,133
Speaker 2: Josh, you'r thought about the whole Ukraine situation blow up

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01:13:51,133 --> 01:13:52,893
Speaker 2: in the White House. How are you? Josh?

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01:13:53,013 --> 01:13:53,213
Speaker 14: Yeah?

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01:13:53,452 --> 01:13:54,852
Speaker 23: Good good, Hey, good yarns.

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01:13:54,893 --> 01:13:57,612
Speaker 14: Guy's been lasting my butt off. It's been great.

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01:13:58,173 --> 01:13:58,372
Speaker 11: Hey.

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01:13:58,412 --> 01:14:01,333
Speaker 23: Look, Zelenski kind of turned up on a rubber sack.

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01:14:01,412 --> 01:14:04,532
Speaker 23: He's still getting bent over a barrel.

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01:14:05,013 --> 01:14:05,253
Speaker 12: You know.

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01:14:06,293 --> 01:14:07,812
Speaker 23: I'm just like, I don't know.

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Speaker 14: He could have been dressed in the best Wars ever

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01:14:10,893 --> 01:14:14,692
Speaker 14: and I don't think that would have changed the conversation unfortunately.

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01:14:15,173 --> 01:14:18,133
Speaker 2: But it might, you know, like a you know, a

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01:14:18,213 --> 01:14:21,612
Speaker 2: negotiation as a series of comments and a series of signals. Right,

1416
01:14:21,652 --> 01:14:24,253
Speaker 2: there's not just one thing. So I guess we're just

1417
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:28,053
Speaker 2: asking the question. And it was though, you know, what.

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01:14:28,093 --> 01:14:31,532
Speaker 14: Would I think I've come to terms with your question there, Maddie.

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01:14:31,572 --> 01:14:34,573
Speaker 14: And that question is should you dress for the occasion?

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Speaker 2: Which when you put it, when you put it like that, Josh,

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01:14:39,652 --> 01:14:42,052
Speaker 2: it does sound like a slightly shallow question around a

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01:14:42,133 --> 01:14:43,333
Speaker 2: hugely important subject.

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01:14:43,492 --> 01:14:46,692
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, but again no, you can ask that question,

1424
01:14:46,812 --> 01:14:50,492
Speaker 24: but yeah again Wait guys getting bent over a barrel

1425
01:14:50,612 --> 01:14:54,492
Speaker 24: though he could be wearing whatever, it's like, who jeez,

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01:14:54,853 --> 01:14:57,372
Speaker 24: But hey, do you think it's interesting how America have

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01:14:57,452 --> 01:15:01,052
Speaker 24: come to the table with a deal for getting access

1428
01:15:01,093 --> 01:15:05,253
Speaker 24: to resources? Because I'm just curious how how.

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01:15:05,173 --> 01:15:05,812
Speaker 23: Would that work?

1430
01:15:05,853 --> 01:15:07,532
Speaker 14: Would that be a three way split?

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01:15:07,652 --> 01:15:11,732
Speaker 23: Would that mean America would somehow.

1432
01:15:11,973 --> 01:15:15,052
Speaker 14: Do a deal with Russia to go onto a cease.

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01:15:14,893 --> 01:15:18,293
Speaker 23: Fire and then America.

1434
01:15:17,853 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 14: Would divvy back some of that resources to Russia to

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01:15:20,372 --> 01:15:23,212
Speaker 14: stop Russia from invading in the future.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that that any deal, and like no

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01:15:26,173 --> 01:15:28,812
Speaker 2: details of the deal on the table. The thing is now,

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01:15:28,933 --> 01:15:31,612
Speaker 2: are you open to a deal? Is the question? And

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01:15:31,772 --> 01:15:34,572
Speaker 2: can you bring peut into the table? But I think,

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01:15:34,652 --> 01:15:36,652
Speaker 2: I think, I think the idea is that if Russia,

1441
01:15:36,692 --> 01:15:41,852
Speaker 2: if America had heavy interests at financial interests in Ukraine,

1442
01:15:41,893 --> 01:15:45,132
Speaker 2: then that would be a security guarantee in itself because

1443
01:15:45,412 --> 01:15:48,772
Speaker 2: attacking those interests would be attacking America. So in a way,

1444
01:15:48,812 --> 01:15:52,932
Speaker 2: it's like a kind of roundaback about way to receive

1445
01:15:52,973 --> 01:15:55,412
Speaker 2: the same outcome as if Ukraine.

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01:15:56,133 --> 01:15:59,133
Speaker 14: Are you going yeah, yeah, well yeah, because I'm just

1447
01:15:59,173 --> 01:16:04,372
Speaker 14: thinking in future terms of war, if this became normal practice.

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01:16:04,692 --> 01:16:06,452
Speaker 23: You know, I don't know if it's a good thing.

1449
01:16:06,612 --> 01:16:09,333
Speaker 23: Like you know, an example might be, hello, God forbid

1450
01:16:09,492 --> 01:16:13,132
Speaker 23: somebody and paid us, so, well, we'll only help you if.

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01:16:12,973 --> 01:16:13,692
Speaker 24: You do a deal.

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01:16:14,133 --> 01:16:17,133
Speaker 14: Yeah, oh great, So what we sign over will our

1453
01:16:17,652 --> 01:16:21,692
Speaker 14: mineral water because you want it and we need protection.

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01:16:21,933 --> 01:16:23,053
Speaker 3: I do love our mineral water.

1455
01:16:23,372 --> 01:16:23,772
Speaker 2: It's good.

1456
01:16:23,812 --> 01:16:24,452
Speaker 3: We want to get there.

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01:16:24,492 --> 01:16:26,372
Speaker 2: Thank you for your cool Josh. I mean, yeah, any

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01:16:26,572 --> 01:16:31,933
Speaker 2: any deals often involve advantages to both sides. Yeah, I

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01:16:31,933 --> 01:16:33,772
Speaker 2: mean that's the kind of the way way it works.

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01:16:33,772 --> 01:16:36,053
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been a fantastic discussion. Thank you so

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01:16:36,133 --> 01:16:39,213
Speaker 2: much for your calls on eight hundred eighty ten eighty

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01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:42,812
Speaker 2: and nine nine nine two. I don't know if we've

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01:16:42,812 --> 01:16:45,133
Speaker 2: solved it. No, I don't know if we could print

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01:16:45,133 --> 01:16:47,133
Speaker 2: out the transcript of these last two hours and send

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01:16:47,173 --> 01:16:50,213
Speaker 2: it to Zelenski and Trump and JD. Vance and Putin.

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01:16:50,492 --> 01:16:52,972
Speaker 3: I do know that if you're meeting your brush.

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01:16:53,173 --> 01:16:56,012
Speaker 2: And they read it through, whether they'd find enough gems

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01:16:56,013 --> 01:16:57,013
Speaker 2: of wisdom to solve the deal.

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01:16:57,053 --> 01:16:59,173
Speaker 3: But maybe, yeah, Well, the one thing I have learned

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01:16:59,253 --> 01:17:01,452
Speaker 3: is always carry out a soup jacket with me just

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01:17:01,492 --> 01:17:04,852
Speaker 3: in case I've got a zed me meeting that I

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01:17:04,853 --> 01:17:06,732
Speaker 3: need to attend with you, mate, because we've at the part.

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01:17:07,093 --> 01:17:10,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, fantastic discussion. Thoroughly enjoyed that.

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01:17:10,732 --> 01:17:13,773
Speaker 3: Coming up after three o'clock because it's been a grunty

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01:17:13,853 --> 01:17:17,132
Speaker 3: couple of hours. Let's have a chat about the warriors

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01:17:17,133 --> 01:17:21,212
Speaker 3: and Las Vegas. Let's cheer everyone up with let's see something.

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01:17:21,053 --> 01:17:23,812
Speaker 2: About the happier humiliation in Vegas that.

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01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:25,933
Speaker 3: Is coming up by wait, undred eighty ten eighty is

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01:17:26,013 --> 01:17:28,293
Speaker 3: the number to call. Nineteen nine two is the Dicks number.

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Speaker 3: New Sport and weather on its way. Great to have

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Speaker 3: your company as always, We'll see you on the other side.

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01:18:08,532 --> 01:18:27,932
Speaker 25: And who.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:18:37,893 --> 01:18:41,892
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons with the Volvo X ninety on

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Speaker 1: News Talk.

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Speaker 3: News Talks Ed be welcome back into the show. Seven

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Speaker 3: past three.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we'll put that discussion to bed about the

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01:18:53,973 --> 01:18:55,932
Speaker 2: Ukraine and we'll just get extra security on the door

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01:18:55,973 --> 01:18:57,972
Speaker 2: to take us from some of those texts and we'll

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Speaker 2: get on with the hour.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we wore man. Oh man, we had a heck

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Speaker 3: of a lot of tics and phone calls, so thank

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Speaker 3: you for all of that. Now, just a quick update

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01:19:05,293 --> 01:19:08,532
Speaker 3: on the Oscars, which is underway as we speak. So

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Speaker 3: they're up to the supporting roles winner in the supporting roles.

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01:19:12,452 --> 01:19:15,732
Speaker 3: So the actor in a supporting role was won by

1498
01:19:15,893 --> 01:19:17,892
Speaker 3: Karen Colkin for a Real Pain.

1499
01:19:18,093 --> 01:19:19,933
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that, like I haven't seen most of

1500
01:19:19,973 --> 01:19:21,333
Speaker 2: these movies in the Oscars this time.

1501
01:19:21,812 --> 01:19:25,772
Speaker 3: And the actress in a supporting role Zoe Saldana for

1502
01:19:25,893 --> 01:19:29,012
Speaker 3: Amelia Pererez. I think that was she was.

1503
01:19:28,933 --> 01:19:30,892
Speaker 2: The only good part of that movie. She's a very

1504
01:19:30,893 --> 01:19:33,532
Speaker 2: good actress. She was the only good part of that movie.

1505
01:19:33,692 --> 01:19:37,772
Speaker 3: Can I mention the animated feature film which one yes, Flow.

1506
01:19:38,412 --> 01:19:40,692
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen a trailer for Flow.

1507
01:19:40,732 --> 01:19:43,452
Speaker 3: Apparently not a word spoken, but it looks gorgeous about

1508
01:19:43,452 --> 01:19:47,692
Speaker 3: a cat that has to jump on a boat and

1509
01:19:48,293 --> 01:19:50,253
Speaker 3: travel on a journey to America. I mean it looks.

1510
01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:52,452
Speaker 3: It looks incredible, but not much was known about that,

1511
01:19:52,492 --> 01:19:53,333
Speaker 3: so that is a big win.

1512
01:19:53,492 --> 01:19:56,213
Speaker 2: Personally, I'm gudded that Wallace and Grommet Vengeance most fouled

1513
01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:58,253
Speaker 2: and when I enjoyed that movie, but I'm a big

1514
01:19:58,293 --> 01:19:59,572
Speaker 2: fan of the whole Ardmond thing.

1515
01:19:59,732 --> 01:20:03,973
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Now, before we move on, because the speeches

1516
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:07,533
Speaker 3: will be coming thick and fast at the Oscars.

1517
01:20:08,053 --> 01:20:10,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we want to reiterate we've already played this today.

1518
01:20:10,732 --> 01:20:12,812
Speaker 2: But when before you watch the Oscars and before you

1519
01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:20,373
Speaker 2: have to see multiple speeches from actors and their political opinions,

1520
01:20:20,452 --> 01:20:24,092
Speaker 2: then I think it's important once again cleans the pellet

1521
01:20:24,093 --> 01:20:26,132
Speaker 2: with us from Rookie Jervas from the Golden Globes.

1522
01:20:26,253 --> 01:20:29,372
Speaker 6: If you do win an award tonight, don't use it

1523
01:20:29,372 --> 01:20:32,013
Speaker 6: as a platform to make a political speech. Right, You're

1524
01:20:32,053 --> 01:20:35,053
Speaker 6: in no position to lecture the public about anything. You

1525
01:20:35,133 --> 01:20:37,852
Speaker 6: know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent

1526
01:20:38,013 --> 01:20:41,572
Speaker 6: less time in school than Greta Thumburg. So if you win, right,

1527
01:20:42,253 --> 01:20:45,412
Speaker 6: come up, accept your little award, Thank your agent and

1528
01:20:45,452 --> 01:20:45,892
Speaker 6: your God.

1529
01:20:46,093 --> 01:20:50,772
Speaker 3: I Gough Okay, yeah, nicely said.

1530
01:20:52,452 --> 01:20:56,253
Speaker 2: So it's a brave actor that comes up and pushes

1531
01:20:56,333 --> 01:20:59,692
Speaker 2: their half thought out opinions. Now after Rigg said that,

1532
01:20:59,732 --> 01:21:02,492
Speaker 2: because everyone just counters all that, just thank your God

1533
01:21:02,532 --> 01:21:09,173
Speaker 2: and your agent and any reports on Brian's on Big

1534
01:21:09,213 --> 01:21:15,253
Speaker 2: Conan and Brian fan loved his show and actually met him.

1535
01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:15,772
Speaker 2: A christ You ye.

1536
01:21:15,853 --> 01:21:18,213
Speaker 3: But when he was over, yeah, did you you're nice man?

1537
01:21:18,492 --> 01:21:19,053
Speaker 2: Lovely man?

1538
01:21:19,093 --> 01:21:19,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, he seems it.

1539
01:21:19,812 --> 01:21:21,932
Speaker 2: Had a good chat about the weather. Very tall, yes,

1540
01:21:22,133 --> 01:21:24,253
Speaker 2: very tall is here was very flopped when I met him.

1541
01:21:24,253 --> 01:21:26,772
Speaker 2: As opposed to the erect style he will be wearing

1542
01:21:26,772 --> 01:21:27,852
Speaker 2: at the Octors Oscars.

1543
01:21:27,893 --> 01:21:31,852
Speaker 3: Beautiful here, do that many great here. No controversy yet

1544
01:21:31,893 --> 01:21:34,013
Speaker 3: and we we love a little bit of controversy at

1545
01:21:34,053 --> 01:21:36,492
Speaker 3: the Oscars, right or otherwise it's just a whole bunch

1546
01:21:36,532 --> 01:21:38,692
Speaker 3: of people giving punishing speeches. So you know, I'll slap

1547
01:21:38,812 --> 01:21:39,093
Speaker 3: the two.

1548
01:21:39,253 --> 01:21:42,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, is brilliant, but he's a sort of a type

1549
01:21:42,893 --> 01:21:45,973
Speaker 2: of humor that he likes the absurd, and sometimes it

1550
01:21:46,093 --> 01:21:49,892
Speaker 2: lands and it's just brilliant, but sometimes it dies terribly

1551
01:21:50,253 --> 01:21:52,612
Speaker 2: and in my opinion, is still brilliant, but sometimes it

1552
01:21:52,652 --> 01:21:55,213
Speaker 2: doesn't play out perfectly in front of a crowd. But

1553
01:21:55,412 --> 01:21:56,173
Speaker 2: we'll see how he goes.

1554
01:21:56,253 --> 01:21:58,333
Speaker 3: Yep. And we'll keep bringing you up to date with

1555
01:21:58,372 --> 01:22:01,573
Speaker 3: those Oscar wins as they come in through the afternoon.

1556
01:22:01,812 --> 01:22:05,972
Speaker 2: Speaking of wins, the warriors didn't win, as everyone knows

1557
01:22:06,053 --> 01:22:10,093
Speaker 2: what a segua over Las Vegas, Oh my god, And

1558
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:11,812
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends that are over there are

1559
01:22:11,812 --> 01:22:13,973
Speaker 2: feeling like losers right now after their behavior over the

1560
01:22:14,053 --> 01:22:18,333
Speaker 2: last three days, seeing some terrible messages coming through a

1561
01:22:18,492 --> 01:22:22,372
Speaker 2: lost hope after celebrating and partying too much. But we

1562
01:22:22,452 --> 01:22:25,333
Speaker 2: want to talk about magical thinking when it comes to

1563
01:22:25,333 --> 01:22:28,173
Speaker 2: support and things that you do to try and help

1564
01:22:28,213 --> 01:22:31,972
Speaker 2: your team win. Like, for example, I, for the longest

1565
01:22:32,013 --> 01:22:34,093
Speaker 2: time have drunk a glass of red wine before the

1566
01:22:34,093 --> 01:22:38,052
Speaker 2: Warriors play with some friends. This tradition blew up last

1567
01:22:38,133 --> 01:22:39,973
Speaker 2: year and became a bit of thing, made it into

1568
01:22:40,013 --> 01:22:45,532
Speaker 2: Australia media called the Penowat love it, and we didn't

1569
01:22:45,572 --> 01:22:49,213
Speaker 2: before the game a because I've basically been nearly getting

1570
01:22:49,253 --> 01:22:53,052
Speaker 2: cowered punched every time I go out to Mount Smart

1571
01:22:53,053 --> 01:22:56,933
Speaker 2: to watch the Warriors play. Because people think it's a

1572
01:22:56,973 --> 01:23:00,652
Speaker 2: curse because we've been doing it for years. But then

1573
01:23:00,692 --> 01:23:04,133
Speaker 2: suddenly it became a big media thing and then the

1574
01:23:04,173 --> 01:23:06,372
Speaker 2: Warriors season fell off a cliff just after that.

1575
01:23:06,532 --> 01:23:08,812
Speaker 3: So that's what it was. Was it that was want.

1576
01:23:08,612 --> 01:23:12,452
Speaker 2: People blame that they say it's the curse. So we decided,

1577
01:23:12,652 --> 01:23:14,692
Speaker 2: me and my good mate Met good we decided not

1578
01:23:14,732 --> 01:23:17,253
Speaker 2: to drink a red wine before the Warriors. We're watching

1579
01:23:17,253 --> 01:23:21,772
Speaker 2: it at the Shapiro's Bar, and what happened. So now

1580
01:23:21,812 --> 01:23:22,372
Speaker 2: is it our fault?

1581
01:23:22,452 --> 01:23:23,893
Speaker 3: Well, you've got to find the right drink, don't you.

1582
01:23:24,293 --> 01:23:26,012
Speaker 3: It's not red wine, it's not beer.

1583
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:27,892
Speaker 2: But but I love that we feel like we can

1584
01:23:27,933 --> 01:23:29,572
Speaker 2: influence it from the other side of the world. Were

1585
01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:32,412
Speaker 2: sitting at a bar, and we feel like our and

1586
01:23:32,452 --> 01:23:35,333
Speaker 2: we know if it's put down to a you know,

1587
01:23:35,372 --> 01:23:39,372
Speaker 2: a full peer reviewed paper, it's not what I drink

1588
01:23:39,372 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 2: and do before a game has nothing to do with it.

1589
01:23:41,173 --> 01:23:43,412
Speaker 2: But I've got a friend called g Lane who went

1590
01:23:43,452 --> 01:23:45,772
Speaker 2: over to the Warriors, and whenever he travels overseas to

1591
01:23:45,812 --> 01:23:49,452
Speaker 2: see a team play that he supports, they lose it

1592
01:23:49,612 --> 01:23:51,933
Speaker 2: without fail. And he was over at the Warriors. We

1593
01:23:52,013 --> 01:23:56,293
Speaker 2: call him the grim Lane because it's he curses game.

1594
01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:57,932
Speaker 3: You've got to tie him down there and he can't

1595
01:23:57,933 --> 01:23:58,412
Speaker 3: go anymore.

1596
01:23:58,412 --> 01:23:59,732
Speaker 2: And as much as I know it's not true, I

1597
01:23:59,772 --> 01:24:01,132
Speaker 2: still blame him for that loss.

1598
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:02,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely one.

1599
01:24:03,492 --> 01:24:06,532
Speaker 2: So you know, I wait, hundred eighty ten eighty nine

1600
01:24:06,572 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 2: two nine two, do you have any magic thinking around

1601
01:24:09,333 --> 01:24:13,732
Speaker 2: teams that you support, at, rituals that you have before games,

1602
01:24:14,133 --> 01:24:18,173
Speaker 2: and curses that you've spotted? The curse, the Great Goat

1603
01:24:18,213 --> 01:24:21,372
Speaker 2: curse for the Cubs is a fantastic one. And the

1604
01:24:21,652 --> 01:24:24,692
Speaker 2: apartment curse as well. Yes, yeah, that came in there.

1605
01:24:26,093 --> 01:24:29,333
Speaker 2: And also you're just your general thoughts on the Warriors

1606
01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:30,692
Speaker 2: in the season as well. I'd love to hear from you.

1607
01:24:30,812 --> 01:24:33,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, magical thinking and sporting rituals. Oh eight one hundred

1608
01:24:33,412 --> 01:24:36,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty or nine two nine two is the

1609
01:24:36,532 --> 01:24:39,093
Speaker 3: text number. It is twelve past three back in the mint,

1610
01:24:40,532 --> 01:24:43,412
Speaker 3: good afternoon. It is a quarter past three, and we're

1611
01:24:43,452 --> 01:24:47,773
Speaker 3: talking about sporting rituals ahead of watching your team play.

1612
01:24:47,853 --> 01:24:50,293
Speaker 3: It is on the back of Warriors losing and you

1613
01:24:50,412 --> 01:24:52,293
Speaker 3: had a bit of a ritual that you changed.

1614
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:55,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. I didn't have my red wine before

1615
01:24:56,013 --> 01:24:58,013
Speaker 2: the game, and I think I'm pastly responsible for the

1616
01:24:58,053 --> 01:24:58,772
Speaker 2: Warriors losing.

1617
01:24:58,812 --> 01:24:59,132
Speaker 3: Definitely.

1618
01:24:59,213 --> 01:25:01,973
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of magical thinking. So curses. The

1619
01:25:02,452 --> 01:25:04,612
Speaker 2: most famous curse, of course, was the Curse of the

1620
01:25:04,612 --> 01:25:08,213
Speaker 2: Billy Goat, which was a sports curse that was placed

1621
01:25:08,412 --> 01:25:13,173
Speaker 2: on the Chicago Club Cubs in nineteen forty five by

1622
01:25:13,253 --> 01:25:17,572
Speaker 2: Billy Goat tavern owner William SNAs. The curse lasted seventy

1623
01:25:17,612 --> 01:25:21,893
Speaker 2: one years, from ninety sixty five to twenty and sixteen.

1624
01:25:22,412 --> 01:25:25,492
Speaker 2: He was asked to leave with his goat that he

1625
01:25:25,732 --> 01:25:29,452
Speaker 2: bought into regular field, and he cursed the ground, and

1626
01:25:29,612 --> 01:25:31,973
Speaker 2: as a result, they didn't win the World Series for

1627
01:25:32,093 --> 01:25:35,412
Speaker 2: seventy one years as a direct scientific result of that

1628
01:25:35,492 --> 01:25:39,253
Speaker 2: curse being laid down. And they tried all kinds of things.

1629
01:25:39,293 --> 01:25:43,852
Speaker 2: They tried, you know, celebrating goats, they tried sacrificing goats,

1630
01:25:43,853 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 2: they tried everything to break the course curse.

1631
01:25:46,732 --> 01:25:47,812
Speaker 3: So I'm still going the curse.

1632
01:25:47,893 --> 01:25:49,812
Speaker 2: No, the curse is over. The curse was broken in

1633
01:25:49,812 --> 01:25:52,093
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen when they won the World Series, but it

1634
01:25:52,133 --> 01:25:53,412
Speaker 2: took them one hundred and eight years to win the

1635
01:25:53,412 --> 01:25:57,172
Speaker 2: World Series. The Cubs. Twenty sixteen, there was a famous

1636
01:25:57,253 --> 01:26:01,412
Speaker 2: night because the All Blacks were playing in Chicago as

1637
01:26:01,412 --> 01:26:05,532
Speaker 2: well at Soldier Field, and they lost to the Irish

1638
01:26:05,572 --> 01:26:08,612
Speaker 2: for the first time, and so that seemed to be

1639
01:26:08,692 --> 01:26:12,492
Speaker 2: some kind of weird curse vortex happening around Chicago. Then

1640
01:26:12,893 --> 01:26:18,492
Speaker 2: that night where Ireland broke their winning, lifetime winning lack

1641
01:26:18,532 --> 01:26:21,732
Speaker 2: of winning against the All Blacks and the Cubs finally

1642
01:26:21,772 --> 01:26:22,612
Speaker 2: won the World Series.

1643
01:26:23,053 --> 01:26:25,492
Speaker 3: Just in terms of sports that you play yourself, do

1644
01:26:25,572 --> 01:26:28,933
Speaker 3: you have little sporting rituals that you do before you

1645
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:31,893
Speaker 3: undertake that sport, Because I do. For example, snowboarding, I

1646
01:26:31,933 --> 01:26:35,692
Speaker 3: will click my bindings seven times, no more, no less.

1647
01:26:35,732 --> 01:26:37,452
Speaker 3: Weird And I don't know why I do it, that

1648
01:26:37,612 --> 01:26:40,012
Speaker 3: is just it. If I don't do it seven times,

1649
01:26:40,333 --> 01:26:42,293
Speaker 3: I know or I think I'm going to have a

1650
01:26:42,293 --> 01:26:44,173
Speaker 3: bad fall. And what happens if I don't do it?

1651
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:45,133
Speaker 3: I have a bad fall.

1652
01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:47,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's because you've talked yourself into the bad fall.

1653
01:26:47,732 --> 01:26:51,412
Speaker 2: I mean that's ridiculous. Clicking your what you're binding seven times?

1654
01:26:51,452 --> 01:26:52,492
Speaker 2: Do you have to do that when you get off

1655
01:26:52,492 --> 01:26:53,052
Speaker 2: the chairlift?

1656
01:26:53,213 --> 01:26:53,492
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1657
01:26:53,572 --> 01:26:56,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, I when I'm binding up seven times clicks. So

1658
01:26:56,652 --> 01:26:57,133
Speaker 3: that's just me.

1659
01:26:57,253 --> 01:26:58,812
Speaker 2: So do you sit down in your on your butt

1660
01:26:58,853 --> 01:27:04,052
Speaker 2: to nicked up your your snowboard? Yeah, and you can't

1661
01:27:04,053 --> 01:27:05,772
Speaker 2: do it or you're moving, you can't do.

1662
01:27:05,812 --> 01:27:07,492
Speaker 3: No, because then I'll miss the seven times and I'll

1663
01:27:07,492 --> 01:27:10,052
Speaker 3: fall over and have a big wow. And nobody knew

1664
01:27:10,093 --> 01:27:12,133
Speaker 3: that because I always did it. I always thought people

1665
01:27:12,293 --> 01:27:14,173
Speaker 3: are going to think you're a weirdo if you tell people.

1666
01:27:14,293 --> 01:27:17,372
Speaker 3: But that is one of my sporting rituals. The other one, yeah, golf,

1667
01:27:17,732 --> 01:27:20,452
Speaker 3: And I'm a terrible golfer, but I'll always take three

1668
01:27:20,492 --> 01:27:24,692
Speaker 3: practice swings, no more, no less before each shot yep.

1669
01:27:25,333 --> 01:27:27,612
Speaker 2: For drive yep. If you've just got the nine iron

1670
01:27:27,692 --> 01:27:30,572
Speaker 2: out yep, parta yep, always three.

1671
01:27:30,772 --> 01:27:32,572
Speaker 3: And nobody's ever called me out on it yet. But

1672
01:27:32,652 --> 01:27:34,892
Speaker 3: that's just my little ritual. I mean, it never works.

1673
01:27:34,933 --> 01:27:37,492
Speaker 3: I'm a terrible golfer and i always slice it to

1674
01:27:37,532 --> 01:27:39,173
Speaker 3: the right, so I've got to figure that out. But

1675
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 3: that's just my thing. I've got to go three times

1676
01:27:42,093 --> 01:27:44,172
Speaker 3: or else I'll just be in a bad headspace.

1677
01:27:44,612 --> 01:27:47,452
Speaker 2: Right, So I would say that me drinking of red

1678
01:27:47,452 --> 01:27:51,692
Speaker 2: wine whenever the Warriors play makes sense, and that you

1679
01:27:51,732 --> 01:27:57,253
Speaker 2: can back that up because that sends out magical positive

1680
01:27:59,853 --> 01:28:02,732
Speaker 2: vibes out there that will affect gameplay.

1681
01:28:02,812 --> 01:28:03,012
Speaker 17: Yep.

1682
01:28:04,652 --> 01:28:10,372
Speaker 2: And it'll it'll enforced knock on, It'll cause the opposition

1683
01:28:10,412 --> 01:28:13,452
Speaker 2: to knock the ball on multiple times. But clicking yet,

1684
01:28:13,452 --> 01:28:17,053
Speaker 2: clicking is clicking its noboard. That's crazy. Why would you

1685
01:28:17,053 --> 01:28:19,612
Speaker 2: wish to talk about the Warriors? Who cares conversations should

1686
01:28:19,612 --> 01:28:21,972
Speaker 2: be left for the weekend when the game was played?

1687
01:28:22,293 --> 01:28:27,293
Speaker 2: Do you discuss other sports? The answer is no? So

1688
01:28:27,333 --> 01:28:31,093
Speaker 2: why now for the underperforming team? Well, we do talk

1689
01:28:31,093 --> 01:28:32,173
Speaker 2: about other sports all the time.

1690
01:28:32,253 --> 01:28:32,452
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1691
01:28:32,492 --> 01:28:34,572
Speaker 2: In fact, we were just talking about Super Rugby over

1692
01:28:34,612 --> 01:28:36,692
Speaker 2: the weekend and fantastic performance by the Highland is that

1693
01:28:36,772 --> 01:28:40,173
Speaker 2: was an incredible game against Mona PACIFICA. Yep, I think

1694
01:28:40,213 --> 01:28:42,892
Speaker 2: Super Rugby is on fire at the moment. I did

1695
01:28:42,893 --> 01:28:46,293
Speaker 2: find the officiating by Aaron Gardner a little bit frustrating

1696
01:28:46,333 --> 01:28:49,692
Speaker 2: in the Blues Hurricanes game, but ultimately the result came

1697
01:28:49,732 --> 01:28:52,612
Speaker 2: out the way I wanted it to, and I thought

1698
01:28:52,612 --> 01:28:54,492
Speaker 2: it was a fantastic weekend of Super Rugby.

1699
01:28:54,652 --> 01:28:57,172
Speaker 3: The other thing that you mentioned a little bit earlier

1700
01:28:57,213 --> 01:29:00,653
Speaker 3: that I thought was interesting and you caught it Happiness Insurance.

1701
01:29:00,772 --> 01:29:04,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is something else they've done. Oh, here

1702
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:06,293
Speaker 2: we go. I've bet five dollars on the Warriors with

1703
01:29:06,452 --> 01:29:10,092
Speaker 2: three mates for every game, give each of them five dollars.

1704
01:29:10,173 --> 01:29:15,133
Speaker 2: Saves time later. Well, this is kind of what I YEA. Look,

1705
01:29:15,293 --> 01:29:17,372
Speaker 2: I was pretty excited about this game. It was a

1706
01:29:17,372 --> 01:29:19,093
Speaker 2: lot of build up, you know, a lot of talk

1707
01:29:19,492 --> 01:29:21,572
Speaker 2: in my friend group, a lot of talk and various

1708
01:29:21,612 --> 01:29:24,772
Speaker 2: WhatsApp groups about WhatsApp threads about this game, and so

1709
01:29:24,812 --> 01:29:26,893
Speaker 2: we're pretty pretty ged up. And I just had this

1710
01:29:26,973 --> 01:29:29,372
Speaker 2: sneaking feeling that I was going to feel miserable if

1711
01:29:29,412 --> 01:29:31,732
Speaker 2: they lost. And look, there's so many games in the

1712
01:29:31,772 --> 01:29:34,013
Speaker 2: scene they got twenty seven games. You know, that's just

1713
01:29:34,053 --> 01:29:35,572
Speaker 2: the first game. You can lose a game to the

1714
01:29:35,652 --> 01:29:38,812
Speaker 2: Raiders and a weird novelty game and Las Vegas. You

1715
01:29:38,812 --> 01:29:40,812
Speaker 2: can lose that and come back. It's a long season,

1716
01:29:40,893 --> 01:29:43,532
Speaker 2: rhaps absolutely. But I was just thinking about it and

1717
01:29:43,572 --> 01:29:45,692
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, I might drop a cheeky

1718
01:29:46,013 --> 01:29:50,933
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars happiness insurance on on the Raiders. I

1719
01:29:51,013 --> 01:29:53,133
Speaker 2: love it, I mean because then at the end of it,

1720
01:29:53,173 --> 01:29:57,052
Speaker 2: at least my all my beers in and my dinner

1721
01:29:57,213 --> 01:30:00,652
Speaker 2: at the pub, and everything was paid for. When I

1722
01:30:00,692 --> 01:30:02,772
Speaker 2: was leaving. Unhappily, it was all covered by.

1723
01:30:02,893 --> 01:30:05,293
Speaker 3: My happiness insurance. Because when you said that, I thought,

1724
01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:07,692
Speaker 3: how unpatriotic. And then I thought about and said, that's

1725
01:30:07,732 --> 01:30:12,572
Speaker 3: actually in your strategy. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty that.

1726
01:30:12,893 --> 01:30:15,532
Speaker 2: Oh you go, Matt Warriors lost as you didn't take

1727
01:30:15,572 --> 01:30:18,012
Speaker 2: your top off, guessing you didn't win lotto either, as

1728
01:30:18,053 --> 01:30:23,732
Speaker 2: did not take your top off buying local. Well, this

1729
01:30:23,893 --> 01:30:27,093
Speaker 2: Texas is idiots, Oh okay, and thank you. Look, I'm

1730
01:30:27,133 --> 01:30:29,492
Speaker 2: not sure exactly why, but I take that on board.

1731
01:30:29,572 --> 01:30:31,173
Speaker 2: I think I think there's some truth in that text.

1732
01:30:31,173 --> 01:30:33,772
Speaker 3: On nineteen nineteen there's some credibility to that. Oh e

1733
01:30:33,853 --> 01:30:35,812
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. Want to hear about your

1734
01:30:35,853 --> 01:30:39,253
Speaker 3: sporting rituals but also happiness insurance. Is that a good

1735
01:30:39,293 --> 01:30:41,213
Speaker 3: strategy or do you feel just a little bit eight

1736
01:30:41,572 --> 01:30:46,333
Speaker 3: unpatriotic when you bet against your beloved team? But saying that,

1737
01:30:46,372 --> 01:30:48,133
Speaker 3: I mean your head, you had dinner paid for, So

1738
01:30:48,372 --> 01:30:49,892
Speaker 3: I love to hear from you on that. Nine two

1739
01:30:50,013 --> 01:30:51,692
Speaker 3: niney two is the text number.

1740
01:30:57,053 --> 01:30:57,293
Speaker 4: Matt.

1741
01:30:57,333 --> 01:31:00,932
Speaker 1: Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten

1742
01:31:01,013 --> 01:31:02,612
Speaker 1: eighty on News Talk ZB.

1743
01:31:03,053 --> 01:31:05,692
Speaker 3: News Talks ZB. We're talking about sporting rituals on the

1744
01:31:05,732 --> 01:31:09,813
Speaker 3: back of unfortunately the Warriors DEFEATO and a Las of Vegas.

1745
01:31:10,492 --> 01:31:13,253
Speaker 3: But Matt, you had quite the sporting ritual that you

1746
01:31:13,293 --> 01:31:17,772
Speaker 3: decided to change on the weekend. But a few ticks

1747
01:31:17,772 --> 01:31:19,572
Speaker 3: coming through on nine to nine to two.

1748
01:31:21,253 --> 01:31:24,933
Speaker 2: Boys, that was really disappointing. That looked lost in it.

1749
01:31:24,973 --> 01:31:27,452
Speaker 2: They looked lost in attack. Not sure to Murray Martin

1750
01:31:27,652 --> 01:31:29,452
Speaker 2: was left out of the team. Yeah, I mean that

1751
01:31:29,532 --> 01:31:31,813
Speaker 2: was you know, just to go onto sports and analysis

1752
01:31:31,812 --> 01:31:36,213
Speaker 2: here a look like we were slow, we weren't having

1753
01:31:36,293 --> 01:31:38,452
Speaker 2: any options on attack and we were terrible.

1754
01:31:39,492 --> 01:31:40,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all bad.

1755
01:31:41,173 --> 01:31:43,572
Speaker 2: It was all bad. But it's interesting because a lot

1756
01:31:43,572 --> 01:31:44,892
Speaker 2: of people are saying to me, all of your friends

1757
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:46,932
Speaker 2: over there, they would have ruined their trip, and they

1758
01:31:46,933 --> 01:31:50,452
Speaker 2: felt sorry for the nearly ten thousand Warriors fans that

1759
01:31:50,452 --> 01:31:52,532
Speaker 2: flew over there. Still in Vegas, you could still have

1760
01:31:52,572 --> 01:31:53,092
Speaker 2: a good time.

1761
01:31:53,213 --> 01:31:54,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

1762
01:31:54,652 --> 01:31:54,772
Speaker 11: Now.

1763
01:31:54,772 --> 01:31:56,452
Speaker 3: I've been getting a lot of stick about my golf

1764
01:31:56,492 --> 01:32:00,492
Speaker 3: swingers as well, So I mentioned that before. Before I

1765
01:32:00,572 --> 01:32:02,253
Speaker 3: hit the ball each time in golf, I do a

1766
01:32:02,253 --> 01:32:04,812
Speaker 3: practice swing three times. That's kind of just my little

1767
01:32:04,812 --> 01:32:08,652
Speaker 3: sporting ritual. And Mike wants to have a crack at

1768
01:32:08,692 --> 01:32:10,612
Speaker 3: my golf swing. Get a Mike.

1769
01:32:11,853 --> 01:32:15,772
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hi, Tyler. Yeah, I'll play golf for quite a

1770
01:32:15,853 --> 01:32:20,053
Speaker 5: long time, and I've developed a technique where I can

1771
01:32:20,093 --> 01:32:24,492
Speaker 5: both slice and draw the ball on command right and once.

1772
01:32:24,612 --> 01:32:26,892
Speaker 5: Once you know exactly what you're doing, it's it's very

1773
01:32:26,973 --> 01:32:30,253
Speaker 5: easy to correct a slice. So a slice is when

1774
01:32:30,732 --> 01:32:33,852
Speaker 5: you swing and your so your backswing and then your

1775
01:32:33,893 --> 01:32:39,133
Speaker 5: downswing comes from outside the ball or pass the ball

1776
01:32:39,532 --> 01:32:42,932
Speaker 5: comes past, hits the ball and then swings inward. So

1777
01:32:42,973 --> 01:32:45,053
Speaker 5: that will put a I don't know, if you're right hand,

1778
01:32:45,093 --> 01:32:45,532
Speaker 5: it will put.

1779
01:32:45,412 --> 01:32:47,853
Speaker 3: A clockwise spin on the ball right.

1780
01:32:47,853 --> 01:32:52,092
Speaker 5: And then it will slice, and so then the opposite happens.

1781
01:32:52,133 --> 01:32:55,612
Speaker 5: So the way to correct a slice is with your backswing,

1782
01:32:55,652 --> 01:32:57,652
Speaker 5: and you will definitely need to go to the range

1783
01:32:57,692 --> 01:33:00,093
Speaker 5: and practice this, you know, for a few weeks. But

1784
01:33:00,973 --> 01:33:04,572
Speaker 5: to compensate for that, what you do when your backswing

1785
01:33:04,612 --> 01:33:08,052
Speaker 5: and then you downswing is you bring the club face

1786
01:33:08,572 --> 01:33:11,013
Speaker 5: in from the ball, not out over the ball, but

1787
01:33:11,093 --> 01:33:15,012
Speaker 5: in from the ball and connect with the ball. And

1788
01:33:15,133 --> 01:33:17,452
Speaker 5: it's like a roundhouse and bring and it'll put this

1789
01:33:17,572 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 5: put the ball on the opposite spin and it'll go

1790
01:33:22,532 --> 01:33:26,133
Speaker 5: for a draw. So once you master exactly what you're doing,

1791
01:33:26,652 --> 01:33:31,093
Speaker 5: then you can compensate and adjust to Yeah, and eventually

1792
01:33:31,492 --> 01:33:36,492
Speaker 5: you're able to pull these shots and command. If you've

1793
01:33:36,492 --> 01:33:38,812
Speaker 5: got a dogly right or a dogly left, you can

1794
01:33:39,013 --> 01:33:42,812
Speaker 5: can do both. And apparently I read somewhere that Tiger

1795
01:33:42,812 --> 01:33:45,933
Speaker 5: Woods when he was at university or a college or

1796
01:33:45,973 --> 01:33:48,772
Speaker 5: whatever in the States, he was standing fifty meters in

1797
01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:53,132
Speaker 5: front of his dormitory and he was hit a slammer

1798
01:33:53,612 --> 01:33:56,333
Speaker 5: and that it was such a slice that it would

1799
01:33:56,333 --> 01:33:59,452
Speaker 5: just go to the right or whatever way past and

1800
01:33:59,492 --> 01:34:03,973
Speaker 5: not even hit the building. So yeah, so yeah, no,

1801
01:34:04,213 --> 01:34:05,932
Speaker 5: I feel for you. When you got a slight space,

1802
01:34:06,213 --> 01:34:08,892
Speaker 5: you can definitely correct that easy.

1803
01:34:09,013 --> 01:34:11,412
Speaker 2: So my son's got such a bad slice. When we're

1804
01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:13,532
Speaker 2: at the driving range, he keeps getting warnings because it's

1805
01:34:13,572 --> 01:34:17,012
Speaker 2: flying over into the pitching put. He has it's so far,

1806
01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:19,133
Speaker 2: but was such a bad slice. But then you say

1807
01:34:19,173 --> 01:34:21,093
Speaker 2: to him, you know, do you want to work on that?

1808
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:23,052
Speaker 2: And he goes, no, I just want to smoke it. Yeah,

1809
01:34:23,053 --> 01:34:25,173
Speaker 2: but you know, I mean, there is the old occasion

1810
01:34:25,173 --> 01:34:27,932
Speaker 2: when your slice works in it and it sails around

1811
01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:30,293
Speaker 2: it dogg is around the course.

1812
01:34:31,812 --> 01:34:34,013
Speaker 3: I try to compensate if there's houses to the right

1813
01:34:34,053 --> 01:34:35,572
Speaker 3: of me where I've got to tee off, and I know,

1814
01:34:35,893 --> 01:34:37,852
Speaker 3: I just know, because there's houses there, I'm going to

1815
01:34:37,893 --> 01:34:40,532
Speaker 3: slice it horribly and take out somebody's window. And then

1816
01:34:40,572 --> 01:34:43,372
Speaker 3: I try and compensate and smack it to the left,

1817
01:34:43,412 --> 01:34:45,652
Speaker 3: and of course when I do that, it goes straight

1818
01:34:46,013 --> 01:34:47,652
Speaker 3: and to the next hole. So I don't know what

1819
01:34:47,652 --> 01:34:48,492
Speaker 3: I'm doing wrong, Mike.

1820
01:34:48,853 --> 01:34:51,933
Speaker 5: It's just all about your backswing and then your downswing,

1821
01:34:52,133 --> 01:34:54,013
Speaker 5: and whether you come down from over the ball to

1822
01:34:54,053 --> 01:34:56,892
Speaker 5: slice it. He come from back and under the ball

1823
01:34:57,293 --> 01:34:58,093
Speaker 5: to hocket.

1824
01:34:57,772 --> 01:34:58,333
Speaker 26: It to the left.

1825
01:34:58,492 --> 01:34:59,452
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you?

1826
01:34:59,532 --> 01:35:02,053
Speaker 5: So much for Yeah, and I definitely recommend all you

1827
01:35:02,093 --> 01:35:03,852
Speaker 5: need to go to a driving range like in Auckland.

1828
01:35:04,133 --> 01:35:07,053
Speaker 5: Take a poona asks hey, you know whatever, it is

1829
01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:10,572
Speaker 5: seventy bucks for a lesson, a couple of lessons and

1830
01:35:10,612 --> 01:35:12,013
Speaker 5: then your way and that's it.

1831
01:35:12,612 --> 01:35:14,253
Speaker 2: Well, what you want don't want to do is look

1832
01:35:14,253 --> 01:35:18,652
Speaker 2: at any golf advice on Instagram because then your entire

1833
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:22,053
Speaker 2: feed as people trying to sell your golf courses. Hey,

1834
01:35:22,093 --> 01:35:24,253
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your cool Mike, appreciate that.

1835
01:35:24,612 --> 01:35:25,133
Speaker 3: Chere's Mike.

1836
01:35:25,492 --> 01:35:29,812
Speaker 2: Hey, someone here said you guys. It was a great text.

1837
01:35:29,893 --> 01:35:33,012
Speaker 2: Actually just got there's so many texts coming through one second.

1838
01:35:33,612 --> 01:35:36,852
Speaker 2: It was about do you talk about other sports? Yes,

1839
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:37,852
Speaker 2: we talk about both.

1840
01:35:37,692 --> 01:35:39,293
Speaker 3: Types of rugby.

1841
01:35:39,732 --> 01:35:42,532
Speaker 2: So while we're talking about sports, I also watched this

1842
01:35:42,572 --> 01:35:45,452
Speaker 2: isn't rugby, bloody football. I watched the Auckland FC versus

1843
01:35:45,492 --> 01:35:48,013
Speaker 2: Adelaide United and that was a fantastic game. It was

1844
01:35:48,053 --> 01:35:52,133
Speaker 2: one of the craziest games you've ever seen. It ended

1845
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:55,973
Speaker 2: up being a four all drawer, but that was so exciting,

1846
01:35:56,213 --> 01:35:59,013
Speaker 2: up and down, back and forth. The crowd was incredible

1847
01:35:59,213 --> 01:36:02,213
Speaker 2: that that was scintillating stuff. So now we've talked about

1848
01:36:02,532 --> 01:36:04,452
Speaker 2: league union.

1849
01:36:04,692 --> 01:36:06,732
Speaker 3: And footy, trying to mention the cricket as well.

1850
01:36:07,253 --> 01:36:09,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the creed was very differ pointing with the

1851
01:36:09,173 --> 01:36:11,492
Speaker 2: flack keeps getting absolutely smashed. But I will say that's

1852
01:36:11,492 --> 01:36:14,173
Speaker 2: probably fine. You don't want to win that meaningless game.

1853
01:36:14,612 --> 01:36:17,892
Speaker 2: Rather win the games that count. Don't use up your

1854
01:36:17,973 --> 01:36:19,333
Speaker 2: luck on the games that don't matter.

1855
01:36:20,333 --> 01:36:24,813
Speaker 3: A few more ticks here, yeah, geta guys. The baseball

1856
01:36:25,213 --> 01:36:28,093
Speaker 3: superstitions never talk to a picture when he's pitching on

1857
01:36:28,133 --> 01:36:30,652
Speaker 3: a no hitter. Also, never walk on the chalk the

1858
01:36:30,692 --> 01:36:33,972
Speaker 3: foul line as a picture enters or leaves the field.

1859
01:36:35,612 --> 01:36:38,093
Speaker 2: And this one here, well you can blame me for

1860
01:36:38,173 --> 01:36:40,572
Speaker 2: the All Blacks World Cup loss to South Africa. Always

1861
01:36:40,612 --> 01:36:42,612
Speaker 2: have a beer or two for the final when we

1862
01:36:42,612 --> 01:36:44,892
Speaker 2: were in it. Had to drive home to Hamilton from

1863
01:36:44,893 --> 01:36:47,892
Speaker 2: Marsterdon that morning, so breakfast bears wing to go. I'm

1864
01:36:47,933 --> 01:36:49,093
Speaker 2: really sorry. That is on you.

1865
01:36:49,372 --> 01:36:50,572
Speaker 4: That is on you.

1866
01:36:50,652 --> 01:36:51,372
Speaker 3: How dare you?

1867
01:36:51,492 --> 01:36:53,293
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean I had plenty of bears and

1868
01:36:53,333 --> 01:36:55,892
Speaker 2: it didn't seem to help. But that is that is

1869
01:36:56,053 --> 01:36:59,452
Speaker 2: one hundred percent on you. Hi, Matt and Tyler. I

1870
01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:02,652
Speaker 2: play top level softball and always have the same ritual

1871
01:37:02,652 --> 01:37:05,372
Speaker 2: pre game, which begins three hours before the game. Two

1872
01:37:05,492 --> 01:37:08,612
Speaker 2: killing me to walk, then stretching cheap some pro rotein

1873
01:37:08,692 --> 01:37:11,772
Speaker 2: shake two hours before the game. Always shower and shave

1874
01:37:11,853 --> 01:37:14,652
Speaker 2: after the shake. Always have half a can of a

1875
01:37:14,692 --> 01:37:18,213
Speaker 2: small red bull thirty minutes before the game. Always write

1876
01:37:18,213 --> 01:37:20,652
Speaker 2: my parents' initials in the batting box at my first

1877
01:37:20,692 --> 01:37:24,213
Speaker 2: turn at bat regards Nath. Wow, so that's a lot.

1878
01:37:24,333 --> 01:37:28,812
Speaker 2: That's that's five things he has to go to. But

1879
01:37:29,213 --> 01:37:31,333
Speaker 2: they're kind of practical things. I mean, me drinking a

1880
01:37:31,372 --> 01:37:33,932
Speaker 2: red wine to help the Warriors run isn't as practical

1881
01:37:33,973 --> 01:37:36,093
Speaker 2: as someone that's actually playing the game. I wouldn't say

1882
01:37:36,093 --> 01:37:38,013
Speaker 2: this is magical thinking a two klime, a walk, with

1883
01:37:38,093 --> 01:37:40,652
Speaker 2: a stretch, protein shake. These are all sensible things.

1884
01:37:40,732 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 3: It's very physical. I meanstitions.

1885
01:37:43,093 --> 01:37:45,293
Speaker 2: You know, putting your parents initials in the batting box,

1886
01:37:45,452 --> 01:37:48,173
Speaker 2: you know that's maybe just putting some good will into

1887
01:37:48,173 --> 01:37:48,532
Speaker 2: the world.

1888
01:37:48,652 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1889
01:37:51,293 --> 01:37:53,933
Speaker 3: number to call sporting superstitions. And if you want to

1890
01:37:53,933 --> 01:37:56,452
Speaker 3: have a chat about the Warriors, you're more than welcome.

1891
01:37:56,532 --> 01:37:59,053
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is

1892
01:37:59,893 --> 01:38:00,853
Speaker 3: three point thirty.

1893
01:38:03,372 --> 01:38:07,012
Speaker 15: Jew's talk sa'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1894
01:38:07,093 --> 01:38:11,133
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue. Strong criticism of Wellington Water

1895
01:38:11,412 --> 01:38:15,293
Speaker 15: with a report showing issues with contracting processes and lack

1896
01:38:15,333 --> 01:38:20,213
Speaker 15: of safeguards. Police are investigating potential fraud involving an employee

1897
01:38:20,253 --> 01:38:24,013
Speaker 15: who's now left the chair of Wellington Water says he's

1898
01:38:24,133 --> 01:38:28,093
Speaker 15: considering stepping down after a scathing report has found more

1899
01:38:28,213 --> 01:38:34,012
Speaker 15: organizational failures. A shareholder revolt has started at carpet company

1900
01:38:34,093 --> 01:38:38,492
Speaker 15: Bremworth over its performance since focusing on wool carpets. A

1901
01:38:38,532 --> 01:38:41,053
Speaker 15: shareholder group is calling for a vote on replacing the

1902
01:38:41,093 --> 01:38:46,213
Speaker 15: current board. Green Fairy Paul Smith, better known as Gandalf,

1903
01:38:46,532 --> 01:38:49,812
Speaker 15: has pleaded not guilty to charges of cultivating, dealing and

1904
01:38:49,893 --> 01:38:55,773
Speaker 15: possessing medicinal cannabis. The Associate Education Ministers making no apologies

1905
01:38:55,772 --> 01:38:59,692
Speaker 15: for his scale down cheaper school lunches as problems persist,

1906
01:39:00,053 --> 01:39:02,812
Speaker 15: saying it's part of moves to save money, have less

1907
01:39:02,893 --> 01:39:07,173
Speaker 15: debt and lower taxes. A survey shows high number of

1908
01:39:07,213 --> 01:39:11,333
Speaker 15: pets are now being micro chipped by their owners. How

1909
01:39:11,532 --> 01:39:14,172
Speaker 15: can we start up? Is changing the game for students

1910
01:39:14,173 --> 01:39:17,852
Speaker 15: with ADHD. You can find out more at insid Herald Premium.

1911
01:39:18,093 --> 01:39:20,253
Speaker 15: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1912
01:39:19,933 --> 01:39:22,612
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean A quick couple of

1913
01:39:22,732 --> 01:39:26,293
Speaker 3: texts coming through on sporting rituals.

1914
01:39:27,853 --> 01:39:30,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, warriors will fail to make the top eight need

1915
01:39:30,812 --> 01:39:33,532
Speaker 2: a lot of happiness insurance and maybe life insurance to

1916
01:39:33,572 --> 01:39:38,293
Speaker 2: support them. People are jumping ship completely after one game.

1917
01:39:38,372 --> 01:39:42,573
Speaker 2: Happiness insurance and being when you bet on the opposition,

1918
01:39:43,133 --> 01:39:46,133
Speaker 2: So when you're down about your team losing, you then

1919
01:39:46,293 --> 01:39:49,013
Speaker 2: at least have your beers and your lunch if you're

1920
01:39:49,013 --> 01:39:50,892
Speaker 2: at a bar watching paid for.

1921
01:39:50,853 --> 01:39:52,452
Speaker 3: It's a great strategy. Would you ever bet?

1922
01:39:52,492 --> 01:39:55,053
Speaker 2: But it feels evil when you're doing it. It feels like

1923
01:39:55,093 --> 01:39:57,692
Speaker 2: you're putting evil out in the wall. But as a

1924
01:39:57,732 --> 01:40:01,173
Speaker 2: bunch of people are texting through, you know, bet with

1925
01:40:01,213 --> 01:40:02,213
Speaker 2: your brain not your heart.

1926
01:40:02,333 --> 01:40:02,532
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1927
01:40:02,572 --> 01:40:04,492
Speaker 3: Would you ever bet against the All Blacks in a

1928
01:40:04,532 --> 01:40:10,013
Speaker 3: World Cup final because that's a lot of debris if

1929
01:40:10,013 --> 01:40:12,612
Speaker 3: they lose. No, that's that's a step.

1930
01:40:13,053 --> 01:40:15,652
Speaker 2: I used to play cricket to a national age group level.

1931
01:40:15,652 --> 01:40:18,933
Speaker 2: My routines got to a point of high level o

1932
01:40:19,093 --> 01:40:22,333
Speaker 2: c D. I broke a bail once taking five wickets.

1933
01:40:22,333 --> 01:40:26,132
Speaker 2: They needed to have that on my person onwards otherwise

1934
01:40:26,173 --> 01:40:28,572
Speaker 2: wouldn't perform the best place to keep it was the

1935
01:40:28,652 --> 01:40:31,612
Speaker 2: left side of my undies on my hip, which was wonderful.

1936
01:40:31,612 --> 01:40:34,613
Speaker 2: As you can imagine. It used to fall out on occasions,

1937
01:40:34,652 --> 01:40:37,452
Speaker 2: only to be replaced. I also had a lucky pair

1938
01:40:37,492 --> 01:40:42,772
Speaker 2: of tights for rugby which protected my thighs. Yeah. Sorry,

1939
01:40:42,772 --> 01:40:44,572
Speaker 2: this one's gone down as well. Here we go on

1940
01:40:44,933 --> 01:40:48,452
Speaker 2: trying to get that back. Ah, God damn it. Yeah, anyway,

1941
01:40:49,133 --> 01:40:53,652
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Brenda McCullum after that, you know,

1942
01:40:53,812 --> 01:40:56,492
Speaker 2: three three one, three or three games when he got

1943
01:40:56,532 --> 01:40:58,492
Speaker 2: scored three hundred games INDI ye at the basement reserve,

1944
01:40:58,853 --> 01:41:01,652
Speaker 2: and he didn't change his undies between you know, special

1945
01:41:01,692 --> 01:41:03,572
Speaker 2: cricket undis to hold the box. But he didn't change

1946
01:41:03,612 --> 01:41:07,213
Speaker 2: them across the time he was batting because he thought

1947
01:41:07,213 --> 01:41:09,932
Speaker 2: it was bad luck, I mean, terrible risk of chafing

1948
01:41:10,053 --> 01:41:13,052
Speaker 2: and wouldn't have smelled. I got them to a legendary

1949
01:41:13,053 --> 01:41:13,532
Speaker 2: three hundred.

1950
01:41:13,572 --> 01:41:16,253
Speaker 3: I wonder where those undies are now. Plenty of ticks

1951
01:41:16,253 --> 01:41:19,412
Speaker 3: coming through on golf as well. Yeah, get a guys,

1952
01:41:19,532 --> 01:41:21,933
Speaker 3: that was good golf advice from Mike. I practiced that

1953
01:41:21,973 --> 01:41:24,852
Speaker 3: for weeks and weeks only missed the ball by three inches.

1954
01:41:24,973 --> 01:41:28,213
Speaker 3: Now golf is the most frustrating sport around. I do

1955
01:41:28,372 --> 01:41:29,973
Speaker 3: like you know, part of me loves it, part of

1956
01:41:30,013 --> 01:41:31,293
Speaker 3: me absolutely hates it.

1957
01:41:31,372 --> 01:41:34,452
Speaker 2: The thing about golf is that if you know the

1958
01:41:34,492 --> 01:41:36,372
Speaker 2: angle you hit the ball, because it goes so far,

1959
01:41:36,492 --> 01:41:38,692
Speaker 2: has so many repercussions, right, So if you if you

1960
01:41:38,772 --> 01:41:41,932
Speaker 2: miss it by a millimeter, that millimeter on the angle

1961
01:41:42,133 --> 01:41:45,892
Speaker 2: just exponentially increases how far you're away. It's the most

1962
01:41:45,893 --> 01:41:49,132
Speaker 2: difficult sport in the world. You're swinging this metal club

1963
01:41:49,253 --> 01:41:52,013
Speaker 2: at this ball, this tiny ball. Yeah no, it's an

1964
01:41:52,053 --> 01:41:54,412
Speaker 2: incredibly hard and frustrating but fantastic game.

1965
01:41:54,732 --> 01:41:56,932
Speaker 3: And if you havn't a bad golf day, you can't

1966
01:41:56,973 --> 01:41:59,692
Speaker 3: do anything about it. You just have to frustratingly keep

1967
01:41:59,692 --> 01:42:02,213
Speaker 3: going through. It's not like you can bugger off to

1968
01:42:02,293 --> 01:42:04,532
Speaker 3: the bar and say I'll wait for you here. You've

1969
01:42:04,572 --> 01:42:07,333
Speaker 3: got to carry on, get through your nine holes. Ear

1970
01:42:07,372 --> 01:42:09,852
Speaker 3: the eighteen holes can be incredibly horrible.

1971
01:42:09,893 --> 01:42:12,892
Speaker 2: Now, Jan here says, maybe after our to our discussion

1972
01:42:12,933 --> 01:42:16,333
Speaker 2: about Zelenskys suit wearing or a lack of it into

1973
01:42:16,372 --> 01:42:18,452
Speaker 2: the oval office, Jane says, maybe you should wear a

1974
01:42:18,452 --> 01:42:19,412
Speaker 2: suit for the next game.

1975
01:42:20,213 --> 01:42:22,612
Speaker 3: Very good, very good, right, thank you very much for

1976
01:42:22,612 --> 01:42:25,692
Speaker 3: all the texts on the sports superstitions. But let's change

1977
01:42:25,692 --> 01:42:28,692
Speaker 3: it up and have a chat about the Oscars. Underway

1978
01:42:28,692 --> 01:42:31,532
Speaker 3: at the moment, the ninety seventh Academy Awards taking place

1979
01:42:31,772 --> 01:42:35,092
Speaker 3: at the Dolbie Theater in Los Angeles. It is hosted

1980
01:42:35,093 --> 01:42:37,852
Speaker 3: by as you said, Matt Conan O'Brien, and the nominees,

1981
01:42:37,893 --> 01:42:40,492
Speaker 3: of course, were announced in January after being delayed twice

1982
01:42:40,732 --> 01:42:45,652
Speaker 3: due to the Californian wildfires. Now the Hollywood stars are

1983
01:42:45,812 --> 01:42:50,293
Speaker 3: lining up as the ceremony is under way, and there's

1984
01:42:50,452 --> 01:42:54,092
Speaker 3: a few of the minor awards that have been announced

1985
01:42:54,093 --> 01:42:55,932
Speaker 3: and will still yet to get to the big prizes

1986
01:42:55,973 --> 01:42:58,732
Speaker 3: big Director, Actor and a leading role actress in a

1987
01:42:58,853 --> 01:43:01,652
Speaker 3: leading role. But the question we do want to put

1988
01:43:01,692 --> 01:43:05,692
Speaker 3: to you is do you really care about the Oscars

1989
01:43:05,692 --> 01:43:07,532
Speaker 3: these days? There's no doubt about it. When it comes

1990
01:43:07,572 --> 01:43:11,213
Speaker 3: to a ward season, Oscars is the top of the pops,

1991
01:43:11,213 --> 01:43:11,572
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1992
01:43:12,173 --> 01:43:12,412
Speaker 5: Well?

1993
01:43:12,572 --> 01:43:15,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but awards in general have really lost

1994
01:43:15,973 --> 01:43:19,173
Speaker 2: their luster, haven't they? For whatever reasons. Part of it

1995
01:43:19,253 --> 01:43:21,852
Speaker 2: is because you know, the Oscars always has a problem

1996
01:43:21,933 --> 01:43:25,892
Speaker 2: in that it awards. There's always this dynamic between big

1997
01:43:25,933 --> 01:43:28,772
Speaker 2: movies that the people like and the movies that people

1998
01:43:28,812 --> 01:43:31,293
Speaker 2: in the industry and the Academy Award because you know,

1999
01:43:31,372 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 2: the OSCARS has voted for by people in the industry,

2000
01:43:33,853 --> 01:43:37,053
Speaker 2: so they tend to go for less popcorn movies and

2001
01:43:37,133 --> 01:43:39,812
Speaker 2: more arty movies. And in recent years the Oscars have

2002
01:43:39,853 --> 01:43:44,133
Speaker 2: become really really political, and you know, their ratings were

2003
01:43:44,173 --> 01:43:47,173
Speaker 2: tanking until Will Smith slapped Cross Rock in the face

2004
01:43:47,213 --> 01:43:48,812
Speaker 2: and then there was a bit of interest after that.

2005
01:43:49,452 --> 01:43:52,492
Speaker 2: But looking at the Oscars this, yeah, I mean people

2006
01:43:52,572 --> 01:43:56,132
Speaker 2: care when movies like Forrest Gump are in there, huge movies,

2007
01:43:56,213 --> 01:43:59,173
Speaker 2: or The Lord of the Rings, when Return of the

2008
01:43:59,253 --> 01:44:03,133
Speaker 2: King was winning, or you know when the really really

2009
01:44:03,133 --> 01:44:08,053
Speaker 2: big movies are doing well Black Panther. But this year

2010
01:44:08,173 --> 01:44:11,253
Speaker 2: there are a bunch of sort of also ran movies

2011
01:44:11,293 --> 01:44:14,732
Speaker 2: that no one really cares about. And do we really

2012
01:44:14,772 --> 01:44:18,293
Speaker 2: believe that the Oscars finds the best actor, the best actress,

2013
01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:21,213
Speaker 2: the best movie, the best director. I mean, it's been

2014
01:44:21,253 --> 01:44:24,692
Speaker 2: proven to be incredibly political with you know, back in

2015
01:44:24,732 --> 01:44:26,372
Speaker 2: the day with Shakespeare and Love. You can watch this

2016
01:44:26,412 --> 01:44:33,013
Speaker 2: fantastic documentary on how the Weinstein's absolutely campaigned in a

2017
01:44:33,173 --> 01:44:36,612
Speaker 2: sort of pretty dodgy way to make that win. So

2018
01:44:36,933 --> 01:44:40,533
Speaker 2: if it's an award ceremony that's incredibly long, it's incredibly

2019
01:44:40,572 --> 01:44:42,973
Speaker 2: smug with a bunch of horrible actors. I mean, do

2020
01:44:42,973 --> 01:44:45,772
Speaker 2: you remember when Allen was hosting and they everyone got

2021
01:44:45,812 --> 01:44:48,293
Speaker 2: in Bradley Cooper and everyone got in for that incredibly

2022
01:44:48,333 --> 01:44:50,213
Speaker 2: smug selfie. It's not saying we're going to do the

2023
01:44:50,213 --> 01:44:52,732
Speaker 2: biggest selfie in the world. At that point, I looked

2024
01:44:52,732 --> 01:44:53,932
Speaker 2: at all those actors and I go.

2025
01:44:54,013 --> 01:44:55,692
Speaker 3: I hate you.

2026
01:44:55,692 --> 01:45:00,732
Speaker 2: You are the most smug, revolting, out of touch, self

2027
01:45:00,772 --> 01:45:05,572
Speaker 2: congratulatory group of people you could possibly imagine to see

2028
01:45:05,572 --> 01:45:08,333
Speaker 2: anywhere in one place. And then on top of that,

2029
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:10,692
Speaker 2: they get on stage and preach to the great unwashed

2030
01:45:10,732 --> 01:45:12,652
Speaker 2: on how they should see the world.

2031
01:45:12,812 --> 01:45:17,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean those occasions where Ricky Gervais hosted certainly

2032
01:45:17,293 --> 01:45:20,173
Speaker 3: added a lot to those particular ceremonies. But love to

2033
01:45:20,213 --> 01:45:24,173
Speaker 3: hear from you. Do you care one iota about oscars

2034
01:45:24,732 --> 01:45:27,372
Speaker 3: underway at the moment or do you think it is

2035
01:45:27,532 --> 01:45:30,333
Speaker 3: just a bit of a bunch of backslapping by very

2036
01:45:30,412 --> 01:45:31,253
Speaker 3: wealthy people.

2037
01:45:31,612 --> 01:45:35,093
Speaker 2: Is there an award ceremony that's that's currently active in

2038
01:45:35,133 --> 01:45:37,692
Speaker 2: the world that you think has credibility. I'm going to

2039
01:45:37,732 --> 01:45:40,012
Speaker 2: put one for it. I think the BaCl Supreme Pire

2040
01:45:40,013 --> 01:45:45,452
Speaker 2: Award is a fantastic award and unscrupulous and an above reproach,

2041
01:45:45,532 --> 01:45:49,892
Speaker 2: complete blind tasting and Patrick Lamb wins because his is

2042
01:45:49,893 --> 01:45:52,173
Speaker 2: the best nearly every year now.

2043
01:45:52,293 --> 01:45:54,692
Speaker 3: Bacall's over Oscars any day of the week. Oh eight

2044
01:45:54,812 --> 01:45:57,492
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine

2045
01:45:57,572 --> 01:46:00,412
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number. It's nineteen to four.

2046
01:46:01,612 --> 01:46:04,692
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty ten eighty

2047
01:46:04,893 --> 01:46:09,492
Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor. Afternoons with the Volvo XC ninety, every box,

2048
01:46:09,692 --> 01:46:12,452
Speaker 1: a seedless experience, AWEDS News Talks.

2049
01:46:12,173 --> 01:46:16,213
Speaker 3: The'd be good Afternoon sixteen to four. Award ceremonies do

2050
01:46:16,572 --> 01:46:19,572
Speaker 3: you care. It's on the back of the Oscars underway

2051
01:46:19,612 --> 01:46:25,132
Speaker 3: currently as we speak, but arguably award ceremonies in terms

2052
01:46:25,133 --> 01:46:27,772
Speaker 3: of viewership have absolutely plummeted. Boring.

2053
01:46:28,093 --> 01:46:31,173
Speaker 2: It's a pretty hard soal a three hour ceremony. We

2054
01:46:31,372 --> 01:46:36,132
Speaker 2: you a bunch of people congratulate themselves, center around, clap

2055
01:46:36,133 --> 01:46:40,173
Speaker 2: at each other, and long acceptance speeches and as we

2056
01:46:40,213 --> 01:46:43,732
Speaker 2: played before the Ricky Gervais, you know, thank your your

2057
01:46:43,772 --> 01:46:46,812
Speaker 2: agent and your God and you know, get out of there.

2058
01:46:47,612 --> 01:46:49,772
Speaker 2: It's kind of I think that's a feeling that that's

2059
01:46:49,812 --> 01:46:54,213
Speaker 2: going become more and more prevalent, and as result people

2060
01:46:54,213 --> 01:46:55,812
Speaker 2: coming by the watching The actors have no right to

2061
01:46:55,812 --> 01:46:58,293
Speaker 2: tell normal people how to vote or live, as they

2062
01:46:58,293 --> 01:47:01,133
Speaker 2: are not normal people. Actors have no credibility anymore. That's

2063
01:47:01,173 --> 01:47:04,372
Speaker 2: from Matt. What's the difference between on being on stage

2064
01:47:04,372 --> 01:47:06,173
Speaker 2: and out of touch and being on the radio and

2065
01:47:06,213 --> 01:47:08,173
Speaker 2: out of touch. It's a good point, hated fair enough

2066
01:47:08,213 --> 01:47:11,133
Speaker 2: to You could argue that we're completely out of touch.

2067
01:47:12,652 --> 01:47:13,732
Speaker 2: I'd accept that argument.

2068
01:47:13,812 --> 01:47:16,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred is an uber to call. Oh

2069
01:47:16,933 --> 01:47:17,933
Speaker 3: the Pie Awards.

2070
01:47:18,133 --> 01:47:19,973
Speaker 2: The Pie Awards are ragmac Come on, there are so

2071
01:47:20,053 --> 01:47:22,452
Speaker 2: many better pies than the winners every year. If you

2072
01:47:22,492 --> 01:47:25,213
Speaker 2: don't use Bacel's products, I assume you can't eat it. Well, yeah,

2073
01:47:25,253 --> 01:47:27,133
Speaker 2: it's the Bachels Pie Awards, But I mean, who doesn't

2074
01:47:27,213 --> 01:47:29,772
Speaker 2: use Bacels in their pies? Very very small amount of people.

2075
01:47:30,093 --> 01:47:32,892
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't know if that's the ruling,

2076
01:47:32,933 --> 01:47:35,293
Speaker 2: but it's definitely not rigged. I mean I've been to

2077
01:47:35,412 --> 01:47:37,853
Speaker 2: the judging, I've seen the whole thing. It is completely

2078
01:47:37,933 --> 01:47:41,293
Speaker 2: blind tasted. And that's when nothing comes into it except

2079
01:47:41,333 --> 01:47:43,132
Speaker 2: for the criteria for the pie.

2080
01:47:43,333 --> 01:47:46,173
Speaker 3: Unpolitical yeap just down on taste alone.

2081
01:47:45,853 --> 01:47:48,213
Speaker 2: And every year. I have the best pie. I'll eat

2082
01:47:48,253 --> 01:47:51,613
Speaker 2: it every year, and every year it's freaking spect spec

2083
01:47:51,772 --> 01:47:56,133
Speaker 2: Taculus colin your thoughts on awards.

2084
01:47:56,532 --> 01:48:00,412
Speaker 26: Oh look, I mean yes, cutos to Ricky Jarvis. Real

2085
01:48:00,732 --> 01:48:04,412
Speaker 26: he really bought the awards alive and really gave it

2086
01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:06,932
Speaker 26: to the A list. It was great. It was two

2087
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,892
Speaker 26: what three years, maybe I've of just slander and it

2088
01:48:09,973 --> 01:48:13,892
Speaker 26: was awesome. But then this year you get the Grammys

2089
01:48:13,933 --> 01:48:18,812
Speaker 26: come and Beyonce winning Country Artists of the Year and

2090
01:48:18,853 --> 01:48:22,013
Speaker 26: then Album of the Year. That's just shown me that

2091
01:48:22,812 --> 01:48:26,452
Speaker 26: there's nothing but money being thrown around for these awards

2092
01:48:26,492 --> 01:48:27,812
Speaker 26: to be to be given.

2093
01:48:28,293 --> 01:48:30,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, Best Country Album was a stretch for Beyonce. I've

2094
01:48:30,933 --> 01:48:32,692
Speaker 2: got to say, I'm not talking. I don't know about

2095
01:48:32,692 --> 01:48:34,812
Speaker 2: the quality of the album but it only had about

2096
01:48:34,933 --> 01:48:38,532
Speaker 2: three country songs on it as a country album, or

2097
01:48:38,572 --> 01:48:42,293
Speaker 2: wasn't a complete country album, whereas and it was.

2098
01:48:42,372 --> 01:48:44,652
Speaker 27: It was a year for country artists for prying out loud,

2099
01:48:44,772 --> 01:48:49,612
Speaker 27: like you knows, there's several out there this year that

2100
01:48:49,612 --> 01:48:52,612
Speaker 27: that really blew it out of the water and given

2101
01:48:52,652 --> 01:48:57,213
Speaker 27: to her for like you say, not really even country songs. Yeah, well,

2102
01:48:57,213 --> 01:48:59,452
Speaker 27: I mean kicking the teeth to the country singers.

2103
01:48:59,572 --> 01:49:03,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll post Malone jumped onto country with if one Trillion,

2104
01:49:03,372 --> 01:49:05,412
Speaker 2: which is a fantastic album, But that was a real

2105
01:49:05,452 --> 01:49:09,173
Speaker 2: country album. Yeah, he got went deep into it. He

2106
01:49:09,213 --> 01:49:11,612
Speaker 2: was clearly a big country fan. I saw Jelly Roll

2107
01:49:11,652 --> 01:49:14,412
Speaker 2: talking about post Malone and saying how his knowledge of

2108
01:49:14,412 --> 01:49:17,612
Speaker 2: country music is second to none. He loves the genre

2109
01:49:17,612 --> 01:49:19,612
Speaker 2: and he released the country album that was Chris Stapleton

2110
01:49:19,692 --> 01:49:23,133
Speaker 2: was in there and Casey Musgraves. But yeah, so I

2111
01:49:23,213 --> 01:49:26,012
Speaker 2: mean that did seem like give it to the biggest artist.

2112
01:49:26,853 --> 01:49:29,652
Speaker 26: Yeah, certainly, yeah, or who's got the biggest pockets?

2113
01:49:29,893 --> 01:49:32,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's been. I mean the Grammys

2114
01:49:32,973 --> 01:49:34,852
Speaker 2: have got no credibility at all though, and haven't had

2115
01:49:34,893 --> 01:49:36,093
Speaker 2: for a very very long time.

2116
01:49:36,253 --> 01:49:38,133
Speaker 3: No, I mean, do you feel the same way about

2117
01:49:38,133 --> 01:49:38,692
Speaker 3: the Oscars?

2118
01:49:38,692 --> 01:49:38,892
Speaker 18: Colin?

2119
01:49:38,933 --> 01:49:41,692
Speaker 3: Do you think it has become incredibly political? When you

2120
01:49:41,772 --> 01:49:44,452
Speaker 3: have a look at the list of Best Film and

2121
01:49:44,772 --> 01:49:48,333
Speaker 3: you've got to argue, you know, it is it feels

2122
01:49:48,333 --> 01:49:49,372
Speaker 3: particularly political.

2123
01:49:50,213 --> 01:49:53,333
Speaker 26: It does, and ever since the old Weinstein case, it's

2124
01:49:53,572 --> 01:49:57,973
Speaker 26: really put a bad shine on things. And and like

2125
01:49:58,013 --> 01:50:00,613
Speaker 26: you say, it is moving into more of a political

2126
01:50:00,652 --> 01:50:06,173
Speaker 26: decision as year a year goes on, more and more so. Yeah,

2127
01:50:06,532 --> 01:50:08,772
Speaker 26: I mean it's a dying thing. Like me, these are

2128
01:50:08,973 --> 01:50:11,173
Speaker 26: sort of you know how many people sort of go

2129
01:50:11,293 --> 01:50:13,213
Speaker 26: to the cinema. Now it's not a big thing like

2130
01:50:13,213 --> 01:50:17,052
Speaker 26: like it was twenty thirty years ago. It's yeah, who's

2131
01:50:17,133 --> 01:50:20,013
Speaker 26: choosing these awards, Like you say, it's normally the insiders.

2132
01:50:20,053 --> 01:50:23,173
Speaker 26: So did the public sort of get to get any

2133
01:50:23,173 --> 01:50:25,652
Speaker 26: say in these Well.

2134
01:50:25,893 --> 01:50:28,892
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, they don't get to say in it

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Speaker 2: because it's the it's the the academy that decides, which

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Speaker 2: is the whole point of at the Academy Awards. So

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Speaker 2: they started, so they started as a small sort of

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Speaker 2: industry awards ceremony at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood, and

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Speaker 2: then they just got bigger and bigger because people were

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Speaker 2: interested in actors in actresses, because you know, they became fans.

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Speaker 2: But the thing in the end, it's it's it's never

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Speaker 2: been about awarding the most popular film. That's not the idea.

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Speaker 2: The best the best case for the Oscars is when

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Speaker 2: the most popular film is also falls into the category

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Speaker 2: that can be nominated as an oscar. You know, so

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Speaker 2: the best Picture nominees Anora said, you've got a good movie.

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Speaker 2: The brutal Ist Ye Complete Unknown. That was pretty good. Conclave,

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Speaker 2: haven't seen June Part two?

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Speaker 14: Now?

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Speaker 2: That was a freaking good movie, Amelia Peirez, very very

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Speaker 2: bad movie. I'm still here, Nicol Boys. The Substance, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I like The Substance. It was a great movie.

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Speaker 26: And I'm just actually watching that at the moment. Sounds

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Speaker 26: like you guys have got too much time.

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Speaker 27: On your hand.

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Speaker 2: Four hour radio show in the afternoon and then just

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Speaker 2: off those cinemas.

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Speaker 3: We call it, homero, mate, thank you you call Colin Cheers.

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Speaker 2: I take it that you're not going to be sitting

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Speaker 2: down and watching their full three hour broadcast.

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Speaker 26: Oh watch, I watched the five minute highlight.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Colin Cheers. Colin, I'll tell you what, forget the Oscars.

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Speaker 3: You have kicked things off with the Pie Awards. There

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Speaker 3: is so many texts coming through on the Pirewards.

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Speaker 2: My local bakery and Pacaranga Auckland Greenland Bakery, one Baker

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Speaker 2: Best Pie Supreme Award twenty thirty for mince and Cheese

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Speaker 2: a great Mints and Cheese is the best pie in

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Speaker 2: the world, and have won twelve other gold and silver awards.

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Speaker 2: Their pis are epic. Macyess I call it a question

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Speaker 2: that the that the Pie Awards are rigged, as the

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Speaker 2: sixth said, I definitely agree Pat's Pie's rule. No corruption

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Speaker 2: there can we Knight, Patrick Lamb. He needs to be

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Speaker 2: Was he not on the honors list?

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Speaker 3: He should be? Yeah, beautiful pies right, Oh, one hundred

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. We are

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Speaker 3: talking about the Oscars, but if you want to talk

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Speaker 3: about the Pie Awards and more than welcome, it is

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninetiens. The text number it is ten to four.

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Speaker 2: Greg Your thoughts on the Oscars and Awards ceremonies in general.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think it was summed up pretty well by

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Speaker 9: a lot of people. And Ricky Gervais hit the nail

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Speaker 9: on the head. I was appalled watching the last time

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Speaker 9: he did it. When Tom Hanks, the way he behaved.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if you guys noticed, but he looked

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Speaker 9: like I can imagine it just looked like someone had

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Speaker 9: done something in his dinner based on him, but he

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Speaker 9: had part. So you talked him before about Harvey Weinstein.

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Speaker 9: You can watch a few years ago Meryl Streep and

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Speaker 9: all the other loveries are all singing as praises and well,

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Speaker 9: you know, falling all over and with praise, and then

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Speaker 9: as soon as it turns to custard, I'm not defending

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Speaker 9: the guy that turned on him, right, Rabid dogs talk

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Speaker 9: about running with the hens and hunting with the hounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that that whole Shakespearen Love victory

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Speaker 2: with Guinnis Pultrow crying on stage when she'd won the

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Speaker 2: award looks so ridiculous now when you know how the

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Speaker 2: Weinstein's absolutely rigged the system for them to win on

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Speaker 2: what is a very average wrong com of a movie.

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Speaker 2: She's on stage crying and then we're I mean a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, a lot of people knew what was

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Speaker 2: going on with Harvey Weinstein. There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible, I mean impossible. His assistant is now making

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Speaker 2: Star Wars TV shows and claiming she knew nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was huge and horrible what

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Speaker 2: he was up to, and and it was a known

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Speaker 2: thing in Hollywood. So you're one hundred percent right, Greg,

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Speaker 2: Absolute hypocrites.

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Speaker 9: That's like the guards and the concentration camp in orders,

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Speaker 9: isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that might be slight hyper bulba. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I mean, what's the what sort of

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Speaker 2: a really good example of it. It's Ricky Gervais as well,

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Speaker 2: when he's talking about how you know they work with

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Speaker 2: they would they would call if I just started making movies,

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Speaker 2: if I just started a streaming service, then the actors

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Speaker 2: would call them their agent and trying to work with them.

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Speaker 2: You know, if it gets them a job, they'll do.

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Speaker 2: They'll do just about anything. They'll work with anyone, no

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Speaker 2: matter how sleazy, and then they'll lecture the rest of

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Speaker 2: the world on how they behave. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for you called, Greg.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, great discussion. And there's been a flurry of

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Speaker 3: ticks come through about the Pie Awards.

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Speaker 2: I have three pie shops in our town. They all

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Speaker 2: have Best Pie Awards on their windows from two thousand

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Speaker 2: and two and four, two thousand and five, twenty years

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Speaker 2: no awards, So very hard to win the award because

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Speaker 2: it's just a blind taste test with people that know

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Speaker 2: their pies and they have set criteria. I've seen the

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Speaker 2: judging and there's absolutely no way it's rigged.

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Speaker 3: All above board.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the most the most uncorruptible awards, ceremony

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Speaker 2: and awards in the entire world, the Bacal Supreme Pie Awards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, right, I think that is US four today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for all the phone calls and

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Speaker 3: the massive ticks. We got really good the discussion.

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Speaker 2: There was a huge day of talk, and thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for all your messages, and look, we'll be

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Till then give them a taste to keep it.

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Speaker 6: You love love things that we know not about.

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Speaker 2: We can go forever soil you.

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Speaker 7: Want to sit it out.

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