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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Ryan Bridge on Heather Duper se Ellen Drive

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Speaker 1: that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon at a seven after four Big Friday on

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Speaker 2: Drive Today after five, Simon Brown on Deneeden Hospital Oceania

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Speaker 2: Gold on Shane Jones and his big speech, the company

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Speaker 2: behind the free school lunches and the truly shocking revelation

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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge talk about.

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Speaker 2: Looking at gift horse in the mouth, the response from

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Speaker 2: the kids to the new school lunches. I can understand

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Speaker 2: kids are fussy and they just say what they think.

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Speaker 2: But I have been taken aback today by the response

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Speaker 2: from some parents to the free school lunches that their

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Speaker 2: kids are bringing home or getting delivered to school. One

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Speaker 2: said it was soggy and disgusting, unidentifiable pasta and lentils,

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Speaker 2: said another. Another, it's too bland her kids. She'd like

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Speaker 2: some cheese sauce with the mac and cheese. Please. Is

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Speaker 2: this real? Yes, this is real. This is the feedback.

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Speaker 2: Another grateful parent took time out of their busy day

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Speaker 2: to post on Facebook about their David Seymour lunch. Not

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Speaker 2: one child could stomach the food, and so after offers

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Speaker 2: to give the food away to the local community were declined,

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Speaker 2: all several hundred of these went into the rubbish. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: but if you throw food away, you're not hungry, and

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Speaker 2: if you're not hungry, you don't need food. It is

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Speaker 2: quite simple, really, there are plenty of genuinely starving kids

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Speaker 2: around the world who'd be more than grateful and delighted

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Speaker 2: Where's the thanks and appreciation? Who's thinking the cooks and

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Speaker 2: the cleaners for preparing these meals. When this whole scheme

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Speaker 2: so hungry they couldn't learn in schools and we felt terrible.

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Speaker 2: This bs was that pulling at the heartstrings for votes?

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Speaker 2: What was that? Budget twenty twenty four allocated four hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy eight million dollars to keep this program going

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Speaker 2: for two years. That is half a billion dollars. Today

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Speaker 2: we're talking about mining and the mining industry in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: That generates one point two billion dollars a year, so

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Speaker 2: the free lunch program is equivalent to a quarter of

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Speaker 2: the cash generated from all mining activities across the country.

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Speaker 2: This is a big expense. Now, I'm sure there are

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Speaker 2: plenty of kids who genuinely need these lunches, and I

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Speaker 2: would hate for them to miss out, I really would.

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Speaker 2: But all these parents are doing is proving why many

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Speaker 2: of the kids getting the lunches clearly don't need them

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Speaker 2: in the first place. Brian Bread nine after four nine

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Speaker 2: are going to talk to the company behind these lunches

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Speaker 2: because some of them were late today. That's coming after five, right,

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Speaker 2: let's turn out a teen to Wellington. Almost half of

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Speaker 2: our public servants work one day a week from home,

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Speaker 2: has released data. It says some departments, like the IRD

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Speaker 2: and the Ministry for Ethnic Communities have more than eighty

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Speaker 2: a week. The pairs say says this is sort of

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Speaker 2: The acting National Secretaries furf at Simon's Good Afternoon, flur

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Speaker 2: Good Afternoon, isn't this quite bad half of them having

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Speaker 4: No, Actually, we want a system where by public servants

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say that too. If I was

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Speaker 4: I think it sort of just makes sense. It's near

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Speaker 2: That shouldn't matter. Should because it's about productivity, right, So

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Speaker 4: Well, that's just as what people have worked out. And

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Speaker 5: Just before the weekend. So it does work well for people.

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Speaker 5: Well, you can't choose to take a cynical approach.

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Speaker 2: All Right, flur, thank you very much for coming on

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Speaker 2: twelve minutes after four still to come Sport Next with

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Speaker 2: Darcy Also, I'm going to tell you what's going on

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 1: the US election? On Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected, News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said be.

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Speaker 2: Quarter past four. News Talk said lots of texts coming

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Speaker 2: and I'm working from home Ryan, my daughter. This is interesting.

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Speaker 2: My daughter works for a business that allows working from home,

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Speaker 2: I am much more productive when I work from the

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Speaker 2: you for that one, Dan. Jason plans here with Sport

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Speaker 2: and news talks'd be Hey Jason, Hey Ryan, So the

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby you wouldn't work well, we can't work from home,

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Speaker 6: So we're not well, I mean unless they said something

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Speaker 6: I don't you know what even if we could, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't you?

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Speaker 7: Nah?

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Speaker 2: I just like the people, do you?

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Speaker 2: You like the opposite of make hosking In more ways

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Speaker 2: than what hey, Super Rugby the pre season got a

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Speaker 6: Six New Zealand bas sides are actually playing playing currently

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Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: What are we It's not even February yet, but the

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Speaker 8: Two weeks from now.

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Speaker 6: You and I are be chatting about the first Super

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Speaker 6: it's getting. So yeah, preseason head outs, I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: you can read much into these. The Hurricanes play the

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Speaker 6: they're taking the game? Forty seven?

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Speaker 9: Forty seven and there meant to be fifteen fifteen on

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Speaker 9: Three expert But no, that seems a lot, honey. I'm

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Speaker 9: the same time. Rhyme, But forty seven So what I mean,

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Speaker 9: how do you get them all on? How do you

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Speaker 8: I don't think that means anything.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what about orkn FC.

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Speaker 6: A win means everything to them, and they're doing pretty well,

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Speaker 6: They've scored five goals after the ninety minute BRK. Once

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Speaker 6: goals have been worth eight points to them in terms

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Speaker 6: They're not even in the top four. Those late goals

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Speaker 6: And look, you don't leave if it's ninety minutes and

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Speaker 2: All the action happens late in the piece so can

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Speaker 2: you just tell me it is? How big of a

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Speaker 2: deal is it that they're leaving the table at the moment?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this a big league? Is this an

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Speaker 10: But no not.

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Speaker 2: Should we be really excited by this?

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Speaker 6: We should for a couple of reasons. One is there

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Speaker 6: is impressive. Normally it takes teams a little while to

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Speaker 6: get used to it. You know, they weren't even a

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Speaker 6: they're still thirteen games to go, They've played fourteen thirteen

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Speaker 6: Momentum is a powerful thing.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think we should be excited about them. I

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Speaker 6: you can't You certainly can't win the league in late January,

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Speaker 7: Children deserved better.

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Speaker 15: They were getting better under our government. We were providing

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Speaker 2: jan Toinetti twenty six after four news to seventy.

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Speaker 16: You yelly called iced team when.

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Speaker 1: At the heart of the story, it's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 12: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five away from five Newstalok said be Simey and

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Speaker 2: They've got the black boxes from the plane and chopper

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Speaker 1: Also life and an aviation accident is very unusual in

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Speaker 3: It affects us, affects.

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Speaker 7: Everyone around us.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot of people hurting today.

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Speaker 10: We will help find out what happened. We will do

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Speaker 2: In Australia, New South Wales police well quite secret squirrel

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Speaker 17: I'm just I'm not aware of a precedent where the

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Speaker 2: Finally, on your Friday, a metal sculpture of a dragon

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Sounds like they need to talk to Shane Jones. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three to five. Now, more than forty bodies have been

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Speaker 2: more high Logan good evening. Any more clues, I mean

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Speaker 18: Well that's the big question, isn't it. What exactly led

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Speaker 2: Do you know what did something happen the day before

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Speaker 18: Well, this is a very busy part of the country,

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Speaker 18: As I said, the Pentagon's nearby. And what's interesting here

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Speaker 18: So there was a really big question there over what

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Speaker 2: All right, Logan, thank you for that. Logan Church One

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Speaker 2: This is about the Danneedan Hospital via text nine two

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Speaker 2: Now they have increased the you know, some radiography stuff,

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Speaker 2: which is important. But if you were going into an

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Speaker 2: operating thing there, generally you will need a bed to

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Speaker 2: recover and afterwards. Right, So the fact that they're only

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Speaker 2: increasing the number of beds by four and we're going

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Speaker 2: to wait six years to get this thing built, it's

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Speaker 2: all good stuff. Good questions for Simeon Brown.

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Speaker 1: After five politics with centric credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 2: It is quarter to five news Talks. Hebe Jason Walls,

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Speaker 2: News Talk zb's political editors with us. Hey Jason, Happy Friday, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday to you too. So we were talking about

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Speaker 2: this earlier, the Jan Tinetti thing, bit of an embarrassment

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Speaker 2: over school lunches for them.

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Speaker 19: Embarrassment, I think is a bit of an understatement to

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Speaker 19: be honest. You would have seen the stories about some

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Speaker 19: of the school free lunches coming in yesterday and today,

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Speaker 19: and you know it's fair to say there's mixed reviews.

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Speaker 19: When I tested some when they came down to Parliament,

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Speaker 19: I actually thought that there were great. I had the

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Speaker 19: butter chicken and the ressols. I had two of them

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Speaker 19: because they're quite small, and I've forgot my lunch that day,

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Speaker 19: so it worked out quite well. But of course you're

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Speaker 19: going to get the group of people that will turn

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Speaker 19: their nose up at them and say and then go

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Speaker 19: find a reporter that they can complain to, and it's

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Speaker 19: sure as night follows day that is what happened. I

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Speaker 19: will say, there is a photo of a particularly bad

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Speaker 19: looking lunch with some lentils and a ball of pasta

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Speaker 19: that looks particularly woeful, but you know it's day four.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 19: There will be some teething issues, and if we were

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Speaker 19: having these problems in say six months time, we would

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Speaker 19: have more of an issue then. But someone who was

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Speaker 19: quick to hop on the hate train, as you said,

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Speaker 19: was Labour's education spokesperson jan Toinetti. Have a listened to

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Speaker 19: what she said on social media and I.

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Speaker 13: Think that this is a Hamburger I'm not certain, but I'm.

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Speaker 20: Thinking that's what it is. This is absolutely disgraceful.

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Speaker 19: Now, the problem with that is the hamburgeruse she's talking about,

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Speaker 19: and the hamburger that she's pointing to in this video

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Speaker 19: is from the school lunches when Labor were in government,

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Speaker 19: when she was the Associate Education Minister. This was one

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Speaker 19: of the hamburgers that they were giving to kids. So

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Speaker 19: it's a massive, massive own goal here.

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Speaker 12: All they had to do was repost the picture that

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Speaker 12: already looked pretty grim and they would have done the

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Speaker 12: work for them, but they had to screw it up

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Speaker 12: by making this colossal error and really just undermining their

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Speaker 12: own credibility on this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They just can't do anything right, can they? That lot.

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Speaker 2: They're just a bit of a mess. It's do you

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Speaker 2: find jan Denisi's Kiwi accent hilarious, Jason or is it

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Speaker 2: just me?

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Speaker 19: Oh listen mate, I cannot be the one commenting on

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Speaker 19: accents here for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 2: It's dis graceful anyway. Dunedin and they're getting the new hospital,

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Speaker 2: so Simeon Brown has been I guess he's been crafty

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Speaker 2: in a way because he's doing the same floor area.

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Speaker 2: But he's he's managed to reduce the number of beds

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Speaker 2: that from what Labor was proposing, so we'll end up

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Speaker 2: with basically empty floors that can be filled in later.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look the way that

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Speaker 19: they're doing with the beds, they said that there is

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Speaker 19: going to be closer to one hundred or four hundred

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Speaker 19: and four or thereabouts when they can finally get a

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Speaker 19: capacity at three hundred and fifty one on opening. And

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Speaker 19: so the current hospital capacity is about three hundred and

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Speaker 19: ninety six beds, and Labor they were planning to get

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Speaker 19: it closer to four hundred and tans. Look, there are

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Speaker 19: a few extra beds here. When you when you do

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Speaker 19: the calculations, you take this through to the entirety. But

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Speaker 19: the point that Simeon Brown was making today, and you

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Speaker 19: have to give a bit of credit to Shane Vatti

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Speaker 19: here because he would have done most of this, and

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Speaker 19: this is just Simeon Brown sort of putting the cherry

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Speaker 19: on top on the end, is the fact that they've

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Speaker 19: got the costs down. It was Chris Bishop who came

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Speaker 19: out and said, essentially the fact that this project has

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Speaker 19: blown out to three billion dollars making it the most expensive,

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Speaker 19: well one of the most expensive hospitals ever built in

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Speaker 19: the Southern Hemisphere just simply was not acceptable. So they've,

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Speaker 19: according to Simi, and got that down to about one

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Speaker 19: point eight eight billion dollars. And he was quite confident

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Speaker 19: about this budget as well. Talking today.

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Speaker 14: Last year the government invested an extra two hundred and

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Speaker 14: ninety million dollars towards the new Denedan Hospital project, bringing

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Speaker 14: the total funding for the project to one point eight

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Speaker 14: eight billion dollars.

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Speaker 19: Now, he says that this is going to get underway

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Speaker 19: in terms of the boots and the odds, shovels in

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Speaker 19: the ground and contr rduction on the new site which

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Speaker 19: is on the where the former Cadbury Chocolate factory was

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Speaker 19: in Dunedin. Fun little fact there within the next six months.

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Speaker 19: So we'll keep an eye on that one. But they're

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Speaker 19: going to be scrutinized the entire way here because you know,

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Speaker 19: the people of Dunedin were greatly quite upset that the

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Speaker 19: project was canned, but I think the government was probably

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Speaker 19: right to look at it and see this is blown

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Speaker 19: out astronomically and we need to bring the costs back down.

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Speaker 2: All right. Jason Nice one Jason Wall's News Talks and

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Speaker 2: again for the people of Dunedin, there is some certainty

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Speaker 2: today that it's something at least is going to be built.

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Speaker 2: Jason Wall's News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Here be political editor cry and Bridge.

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Speaker 2: Eleven to five. We'll have Simon Brown on after five.

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Speaker 2: Just want to keep you up to speed with this

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Speaker 2: terror Sydney terra plot case because it's fascinating. First of all,

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Speaker 2: how on earth could just imagine this was a New

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Speaker 2: Zealand for a second and the police uncover a terror plot.

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Speaker 2: They've got legitimate explosives that in the same place that

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Speaker 2: they have synagogues with addresses Jewish targets in New South Wales.

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Speaker 2: They find all this together, they start an investigation, they

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Speaker 2: don't yet know who they're looking for, and they don't

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Speaker 2: tell the Prime Minister about a live terror threat with

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Speaker 2: the person whoever might be responsible for putting the explosives

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Speaker 2: there at large. I'm sorry, I assumed that that would

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Speaker 2: be something you would tell your Prime minister about in Australia.

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Speaker 2: In New South Wales, the local authorities didn't, His people didn't,

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Speaker 2: the terror you know unit within police didn't. But also

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Speaker 2: what's interesting out of this story is what's come out

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Speaker 2: from the ABC today. So there's a couple that own

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Speaker 2: the caravan, right. Their names are Tammy Farugia and Scott Marshall.

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Speaker 2: They own the caravan and they are currently incarcerated. So

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Speaker 2: these two, what ABC's gone and done is to look

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Speaker 2: back at their social media posts from the last three

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Speaker 2: while and it's fascinating reading. On December sixth, Miss Ferrugia

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Speaker 2: posted on TikTok that she was looking for a caravan

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Speaker 2: to purchase. In capitals, she's written, anyone got a caravan

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Speaker 2: for sale? Need one asap? I've got dollars with six

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Speaker 2: dollar signs. On January twentieth, she was arrested over a

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Speaker 2: separate incident. She was accused of taking part in a

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Speaker 2: criminal group that sprayed some antisemitic graffiti on homes and

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Speaker 2: torched a car in Sydney's East and prior to that attack,

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Speaker 2: she posts on her social media page, anyone got any

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Speaker 2: plastic Jerry cans please let me know. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound like a very sophisticated operation. They anyway,

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Speaker 2: were arrested over that separate incident. Their house was raided.

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Speaker 2: What was inside knuckle dusters, A Taser, six cloned number plates,

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Speaker 2: the keys to a stolen car and drugs and elbow

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Speaker 2: knew none of it nine to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic Asking.

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Speaker 21: Breakfast turns out the United States now our second biggest

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Speaker 21: export market.

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Speaker 2: Were once Australia was everything.

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Speaker 21: Now it's third, so China the US now Australia trade

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Speaker 21: mins to Tom mclays, well, there's look, I.

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Speaker 22: Think there's softness in the Australian market, so that helped

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Speaker 22: us through to sort of our trade. But it's still

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Speaker 22: very very important to us. But what's happened in America

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Speaker 22: is they are consuming more and as their economy is

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Speaker 22: growing quickly, they're looking towards many countries of the world

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Speaker 22: and New Zealand incidentally, although this isn't to do with

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Speaker 22: President Trump. When he became president last time, our trade

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Speaker 22: with the US grew very very quickly, and although there's

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Speaker 22: a bit of uncertainty about what he might or might

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Speaker 22: not do around tariffs, my prediction is New Zealand exporders

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Speaker 22: will do very very well in the US market.

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Speaker 21: Back Monday, from six am, the mic Husking Breakfast with

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Speaker 21: the Rain drove of the last news.

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Speaker 2: Talk ZB just gone five to five, Ryan, Deneden Hospital

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Speaker 2: is not just there to serve the people of Dunedin City.

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Speaker 2: It serves the entire last South island from the south

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Speaker 2: of the White Tucky River south of the White Tucky River.

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Speaker 2: This huge geographical area and population, along with projected population

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Speaker 2: and tourism growth, must be taken into account. That's exactly

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Speaker 2: the point I was making earlier. How can you say

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Speaker 2: that an extra four beds that won't be open for

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Speaker 2: another six years is going to satisfy the needs of

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Speaker 2: all of those people in those areas and a growing

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Speaker 2: area too. We'll talk to me round about that after five.

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Speaker 2: Also lots of texts on the school lunches, which is

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Speaker 2: great to see. This one says Ryan. I work in

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Speaker 2: a school that receives free lunches and has been for

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Speaker 2: the past few years. The community is very grateful for it.

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Speaker 2: Please don't turn this around and make it seem like

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Speaker 2: they are ungrateful. Far from it. This is because I

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Speaker 2: was having a wind jeeler about the parents who were

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Speaker 2: complaining about the food. This person says, this is the

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Speaker 2: same texture. The system has now been centralized. It's not

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Speaker 2: that the kids are ungrateful, but just that the food

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Speaker 2: is not enjoyable. Again, if you're hungry, if you're starving,

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Speaker 2: if you are hungry, then surely you would eat what's

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Speaker 2: in front of you. I don't know, maybe that's just

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Speaker 2: an old school way of thinking. I'm not even that old.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like it's a reasonable it's a reasonable

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Speaker 2: thing to expect. However, the problem with food being delivered late,

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Speaker 2: that is a real issue. And we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to the guys behind the compass of the company behind

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Speaker 2: the free school lunch program after five as well. Hey,

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Speaker 2: we could all be in a trade wary by Monday.

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Speaker 2: The deadline's coming for Trump, Mexico and for Canada. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you about that after five two News Talk to be.

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Speaker 7: My losing allday. Oh aren't you I need you? Olga h.

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Speaker 21: Need It's beautiful, says it Oh.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Brian Bridge on hither Duplessy Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be good evening. It is six half to five

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Speaker 2: on news talks. There'd be and some good news for

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Speaker 2: your Friday night to Ndan is getting a new hospital

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Speaker 2: after all. To quickly catch you up on this whole saga,

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Speaker 2: the last government promised to build a new hospital on

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Speaker 2: the side of the old Cabre factory. The new government

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Speaker 2: put those plans on hold last September because of fairs.

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Speaker 2: The budget could blow out to three billion dollars. But

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Speaker 2: after looking into two alternative options, the Health Minister has

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Speaker 2: today come out and announced the government will build a

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Speaker 2: new hospital on the Cabre site, but the budget won't

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Speaker 2: blow out. Simeon Brown is the Health Minister. High minister,

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Speaker 2: good day, how are you good? Thank you? How's Donedan

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Speaker 2: going to cope with fewer beds?

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Speaker 14: Well, ultimately, this is more beds and what they're currently got,

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Speaker 14: it's more operating theaters, it's more emergency department spaces, more

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Speaker 14: medical imaging machines. This has increased capacity with the ability

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Speaker 14: to grow into the future as demand increases.

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Speaker 2: So this is a.

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Speaker 14: Great and a great announcement for the need in Southland

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Speaker 14: and Otago and now it's about cracking on and getting

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Speaker 14: it delivered.

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Speaker 2: So at the moment they've got three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: seven inpatient beds and they were going to have four

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Speaker 2: hundred and ten and you're giving them three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty one.

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Speaker 14: Well, plus an addition of twenty short stay surgical beds,

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Speaker 14: so it will be three hundred and seventy one beds

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Speaker 14: with the ability to grow to four hundred four in

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Speaker 14: four over time.

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Speaker 2: Right, so four extra than they have now in two

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Speaker 2: years time. I mean, if they're struggling and there's people

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Speaker 2: in the hallways at the moment, how are they going

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Speaker 2: to cope in two years time? And this thing's hopefully

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Speaker 2: done well.

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Speaker 14: Ultimately, it's not just about their base. It's about making

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Speaker 14: sure you've a modern, fit for purpose facility which helps

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Speaker 14: ensure patient flow, the ability to make decisions faster, get

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Speaker 14: a patience, the care they need quicker, and that's what

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Speaker 14: this modern facility is about delivering our missions. Have been

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Speaker 14: part of this design work that's been underway, and what

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Speaker 14: they told me when I met with them this morning

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Speaker 14: is that this is the right facility or opening with

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Speaker 14: the future and future proof for that growth and that

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Speaker 14: demand that's needed. So they've worked alongside Health New Zealand

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Speaker 14: have been designing this. They've been part of those decisions

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Speaker 14: and they were there as part of the briefing this morning,

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Speaker 14: which is.

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Speaker 10: Really really good.

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Speaker 2: When will it open?

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Speaker 14: Well, the construction ultimately where we're now in negotiation around

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Speaker 14: with the constructors. We want to get that completed as

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Speaker 14: quickly as possible. Advice will have action back on the

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Speaker 14: site by the middle of this year, with opening around

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Speaker 14: by twenty thirty one. So we're focused now about getting

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Speaker 14: this to construction and getting it.

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Speaker 2: Done because this is the thing right, So it's we're

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, you're talking twenty thirty one. They

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Speaker 2: are rammed at the moment with three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: seven beds. You're going to open with just four more beds.

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Speaker 2: What's the population going to increase by between now and then?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it's going to open and be

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Speaker 2: able to meet demand well.

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Speaker 14: As the clinicians told me today, this is and as

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Speaker 14: they have been part of the process, this is the

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Speaker 14: right facility needed on opening with the future proof capacity

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Speaker 14: for that growth. So be part of those decisions as

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Speaker 14: we've been going through this scope change and the deliberate,

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Speaker 14: deliberate soon ensure that we get the right design, the

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Speaker 14: right facility.

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Speaker 2: Have you got the same amount of space, just fewer beds?

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Speaker 2: So in other words, will there be floors that are

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Speaker 2: sitting empty waiting to have beds added, Well, there will.

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Speaker 14: Be additional floor space built which will allow for that

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Speaker 14: capacity growth and also for other services which may be

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Speaker 14: required depending on what that demand is into the future.

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Speaker 14: So that's what we've done with making sure we're future

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Speaker 14: proofing the capacity for that growth into the future.

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Speaker 2: But so if you've got flaws that will be sitting

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Speaker 2: empty waiting for beds, surely, I mean, okay, have you

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Speaker 2: done the costings. How much does it cost to put

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Speaker 2: a bed into that space now versus what it might

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Speaker 2: cost in six years.

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Speaker 14: Yes, And ultimately, what we're doing here is we're keeping

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Speaker 14: this within budget whilst future proofing for that future growth

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Speaker 14: that's needed and that's required. And as I said, clinicians

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Speaker 14: have been part of this work. And you know, one

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Speaker 14: of the key things that are incredibly pleas about. I've

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Speaker 14: just been through the eds within this morning. One of

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Speaker 14: the key things they are really compleasee about is the

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Speaker 14: significant growth in the emergency department from forty two to

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Speaker 14: fifty eight spaces. That is a significant growth growth in

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Speaker 14: the emergency department and that's going to make a huge

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Speaker 14: difference to help get patients sitting quicker and get that

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Speaker 14: timely and quality care that they need and that they deserve.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this will put it into all the protests.

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Speaker 14: Well, look, ultimately it's about giving certainty and it's about

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Speaker 14: making sure made decision. I was really pleased to see

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Speaker 14: the mayor come out and welcome this announcement. He was

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Speaker 14: there with me when I was making it, which was good.

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Speaker 14: And ultimately getting on and getting it done and delivering

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Speaker 14: for the feat of Dunedin, Southland and Otagos. That's going

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Speaker 14: to be my focus as Minister of Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, minister, thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: That's Simon Brown, who's the newly minted health minister. I

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Speaker 2: mean you have to say probably on balance for the

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Speaker 2: need and they will be happy with this. You've got

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Speaker 2: your hospital, it's the same floor space and you can

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Speaker 2: ramp up the beds at a later date should you

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Speaker 2: need to. Twelve after five Ryan Bridge, coal and gold

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Speaker 2: have been added to the critical minerals list in this

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Speaker 2: country and the hopes we can double our mineral exports

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Speaker 2: in a decade. The Energy Resources Mister Shane Jones once

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Speaker 2: again came at the bank says he announced this today.

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Speaker 2: Who are debanking fossil fuel companies?

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Speaker 6: Now, I'm not going to stand for one more minute

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Speaker 6: of that won't riddled intimidation.

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Speaker 2: Allison Paul is the senior vice president at mining company

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Speaker 2: Oceania Gold and she's with me this evening. Hi Allison, Hi, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Does this speech change anything for you?

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Speaker 20: It was good to hear gold included in the critical

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Speaker 20: minerals list. It makes a lot of sense. It actually

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Speaker 20: doesn't change what we do day to day. We've been

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Speaker 20: mining here for thirty four years and we think we

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Speaker 20: already deliver what this strategy is looking to do, which

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Speaker 20: is billions of exports, lots of jobs, and a lot

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Speaker 20: of expenditure into our region. So we think we can

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Speaker 20: deliver that, and it's talking about doing that responsibly and sustainably,

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Speaker 20: and that is part of who we are. That doesn't

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Speaker 20: change at all.

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Speaker 2: What's stopping you from going faster.

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Speaker 20: Mining is a business that involves a lot of preparation.

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Speaker 20: You have to explore for the gold in our case

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Speaker 20: and firm up your case for mining it, and you

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Speaker 20: have to get the permits and approvals to do that.

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Speaker 20: So certainly the government's Fast Track Approvals Act is going

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Speaker 20: to be for us potentially a game changer in the

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Speaker 20: as much as anything. The one stop shop approach, so

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Speaker 20: the fact that you can bring your case before a

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Speaker 20: single approvals process, that is going to be hopefully something

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Speaker 20: that speeds up what we're able to do and sees

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Speaker 20: us getting started on some of these projects imminently, and.

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Speaker 2: That's our aim, and that will mean hundreds of extra jobs.

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Speaker 2: Right are they full time jobs and how long will

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Speaker 2: the jobs last?

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Speaker 20: So at the moment, if we look at why He

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Speaker 20: North projects, at why He where this strategy was launched today,

782
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Speaker 20: we employ over three hundred people already and that's mostly

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Speaker 20: direct employees and some contractors. So the addition of the

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Speaker 20: why Hee North project, which we're looking to put through

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Speaker 20: fast track later this year, is going to bring hundreds

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Speaker 20: of new development jobs. Ultimately those will turn into more

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Speaker 20: mining jobs, and that's in the order of another three

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Speaker 20: hundred or so mining jobs. So it does bring extra

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Speaker 20: employment as well as strengthening the existing operation by hand.

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Speaker 2: Right, So three hundred mining jobs plus with a couple

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Speaker 2: of hundred development jobs, and we're talking about I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is real cash for why He Isn't it real

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Speaker 2: cash for the region and real cash for the country.

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Speaker 20: Absolutely. Yeah, it's going to be over three billion dollars

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Speaker 20: worth of expenditure over the course of the minement we're

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Speaker 20: planning and on half a billion in just the capital

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Speaker 20: that we're going to invest in the first years.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys had any problems with your banks? Allison, No,

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Speaker 2: we haven't. That's that's the bigger will thank you. Nice

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Speaker 2: to talk. That's Allison Paul, Senior vice president Legal and

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Speaker 2: Public Affairs from Shianna Gold. It has just gone quarter

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Speaker 2: past five on news Talks. It'd be still to come. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's plenty more actually, including our interview with Compass now

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Speaker 2: Compasses the company that runs the free school in free

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Speaker 2: food in Schools program that's next five to eighteen. So

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of mobile companies out there claiming to

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Speaker 2: be the best, But what does the best actually mean?

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Speaker 2: For one end, zed it means being exhaustively tested by

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Speaker 2: independent benchmarking organization UMLAT part of Accentia, who do this

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Speaker 2: across more than one hundred and twenty companies countries globally.

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Speaker 2: And boy is this testing thorough. It's like for like

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Speaker 2: comparisons with the same devices on the same mobile package

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Speaker 2: at the same location and performing the same action like

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Speaker 2: downloading a movie or uploading a photo on a phone.

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Speaker 2: They also supplement their scoring with crowdsource data, which covers

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Speaker 2: ninety eight percent of our population area. And guest who

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Speaker 2: came out on top In twenty twenty four out of

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Speaker 2: our three big talcos, one en Z's mobile network performed

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Speaker 2: the best, winning for both voice and data. And that's

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Speaker 2: the third year in a row that one in z

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Speaker 2: has taken out this award. That is impressive. So if

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Speaker 2: check out one dot enz and join the winners. Ryan Bridge,

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Speaker 2: you're on news Talk zeb nineteen minutes after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: So much feedback coming in on school lunches, so much,

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Speaker 2: in fact, that we thought it might be a good

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Speaker 2: idea to actually talk some more about them, not about

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Speaker 2: what's in them, but actually about what the delays that

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Speaker 2: we've had, the delays that we have had in getting

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Speaker 2: the lunches to the students. So we're going to do

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Speaker 2: that right now. They've had some issues today in Auckland

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Speaker 2: in particular. Now Paul Harvey is with Compass. That's the

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Speaker 2: company that runs and operates and delivers the food programs

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Speaker 2: with me. Now, Hi got Ryan, how are you good?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So did everyone get their lunch on time today?

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Speaker 18: No?

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Speaker 10: They didn't, Ryan. We we've had a toughtau at the

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Speaker 10: office and you know, we had some unplanned, unfo seen

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Speaker 10: issues with ovens this morning, which certainly didn't set us

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Speaker 10: up on the right start. So it's been a tough

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Speaker 10: week and ready to key messages. We're continuing to put

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Speaker 10: an additional contingency upon a contingency to ensure that the

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Speaker 10: kids get what they deserve, which is meals on time.

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Speaker 2: What happened to the oven?

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Speaker 10: There's a gas challenge that we had, these things happen

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Speaker 10: and big manufacturing facilities, and of all weeks, that decided

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Speaker 10: to happen this morning, particularly after some of the things

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Speaker 10: that we were starting to see improved from yesterday and

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Speaker 10: some of the things that we've done. So I can't

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Speaker 10: control those things, but we have to have continue sort

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Speaker 10: of work on contingencies upon contingencies and that's what we're

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Speaker 10: going to do over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Run how many what are you going to do?

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Speaker 10: So we've got some addition all expertise on site now

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Speaker 10: for the guests in the ovens. We're also bringing in

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Speaker 10: additional resource. We're bringing an additional facilities to help us

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Speaker 10: ensure that we're not putting too much pressure on the plant, etc.

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Speaker 10: And that's what we'll be mobilizing today. I think the

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Speaker 10: other thing that we're going to do is just be

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Speaker 10: really transparent and open with the schools, and I've sort

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Speaker 10: of started that process myself with the principles in the

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Speaker 10: last few days.

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Speaker 2: I gues people to be wondering, why was this not

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Speaker 2: ironed out before you started, because you did have dry runs.

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Speaker 10: We had dry runs. But when you start to scale

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Speaker 10: up and you're into one hundred and twenty seven thousand meals,

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Speaker 10: you know, you start to see some of the things

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Speaker 10: that you plan and predict are going to happen. But

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Speaker 10: you really start to see, in this instance, when you're

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Speaker 10: working as a collective with multiple people in the system,

872
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Speaker 10: minutes matter, and when you're out by a few minutes

873
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Speaker 10: like happened this morning, and schools are choosing rightly so

874
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Speaker 10: to have lunch at sort of ten ten thirty in

875
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Speaker 10: some cases, you alreally put some pressure on that. So

876
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 10: we've got to get that right, and it's an our

877
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Speaker 10: wassue of one Ryan.

878
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Speaker 2: And will it get worse next week because you got

879
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Speaker 2: more schools coming on board?

880
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Speaker 10: No again, hope, hope, hope.

881
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: How many how many you said you got one hundred

882
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Speaker 2: and twenty seven thousand meals? How many kids went without

883
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: completely today? Do you know?

884
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Speaker 10: I don't know the exact numbers, But what we did

885
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Speaker 10: with the ministry this morning, who have been phenomenal as

886
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Speaker 10: we communicated very early to all principles in schools in

887
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Speaker 10: the Open region that we would have challenges. So we've

888
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Speaker 10: got to get yet.

889
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: No, I get that, But how do you know how

890
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: many schools you didn't deliver to it all today?

891
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 10: I don't know the exact numbers because some schools use

892
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Speaker 10: Oh I think we would have got to seventy We

893
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Speaker 10: would have attempted to get the seventy ol percent of

894
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Speaker 10: schools today and the other thirty odd descent would have

895
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Speaker 10: chosen to feed the kids themselves. Because the delay is

896
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Speaker 10: that didn't want to compromise.

897
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Speaker 2: So you get fined for that.

898
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Speaker 10: We are performance managed by the government and like with

899
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Speaker 10: any of our contracts, right so we penalty will be

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Speaker 10: accountable to that Ryn.

901
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Speaker 2: So what does that mean.

902
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Speaker 10: It means that we've got performance metrics. We've got but.

903
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: If you don't meet the performance metrics, what's the punishment.

904
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Speaker 10: The punishment will be, you know, ultimately at the end

905
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Speaker 10: of the day, it will be the contract.

906
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Speaker 2: But you know, so you'd lose the contract. It's not

907
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: it's not a penalty.

908
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 10: As you go, you're always on edge and you're always

909
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 10: accountable every day to deliver against the contract. Right, So

910
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Speaker 10: each contract is different. I won't go into the details

911
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 10: of this, but we are well aware of not you know,

912
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Speaker 10: the commercial sort of responsibilities we have, but candidly the responsibilitificates.

913
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Speaker 2: All right, Paul, fair enough, thank you very much for

914
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Speaker 2: your time. Really appreciate it. Paul Harvey Compass managing direct

915
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Speaker 2: to this on the school lunches twenty three after five

916
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: news talks, you'd be.

917
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Speaker 3: Checking them.

918
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Speaker 1: Point of the story, it's Ryan Bridge on either duplicy

919
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and newstalks.

920
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Speaker 2: That'd be five twenty six. If Shane Jones is looking

921
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 2: for somebody to blame for the big banks, wokeism or

922
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: the state of the mining sector, he need look no

923
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Speaker 2: further than the mirror. A big part of the problem

924
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Speaker 2: facing this country is capital investors. These are your big

925
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Speaker 2: overseas outfits with the deep pockets to mine the ground.

926
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Speaker 2: They see us as a risky investment. Why because we

927
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: don't know whether we're Arthur or Martha. On mining. Labour

928
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: comes in bands at overnight, National comes in, reverses the band.

929
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Speaker 2: Labour now promising to reverse the reverse on the ban,

930
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Speaker 2: and we all know that in probability in twenty twenty

931
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Speaker 2: nine or the election after that, the other lot will

932
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Speaker 2: get back in and the no sign comes out. Who

933
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Speaker 2: would want to invest in a regulatory environment as uncertain

934
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Speaker 2: as that. The irony of all of this is Jones himself,

935
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Speaker 2: now the loudest paratus pro mining politician this country has

936
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Speaker 2: ever said. And it's great to see him in full

937
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Speaker 2: flight today. But this is the guy that came from

938
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Speaker 2: the party that put labor and power in the first

939
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Speaker 2: place and supported their ban on future oil and gas exploration,

940
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Speaker 2: the very thing he now rails against. I found a

941
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Speaker 2: press release today from twenty eighteen, issued by none other

942
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Speaker 2: than Jasinda Ardun and it reads, I'm grateful for the

943
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: support of New Zealand first in ensuring the transition away

944
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Speaker 2: from fossil fuels. Also, we're all in agreeance as in

945
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Speaker 2: Labor New Zealand First and the Greens at Reeds, we're

946
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Speaker 2: all in agreeance that we must take this step as

947
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Speaker 2: part of our package of measures to tackle climate change.

948
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Speaker 2: Ah and now Marta Shane is trying desperately to untackle

949
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: climate change, which it turns out is a very difficult

950
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 2: thing to do. As they say, a son, as we're

951
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: talking about gas. You can't unfart, can you? The good

952
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: martyr runs head first into the same problem with his

953
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: crusade against the banks. He was there at the table

954
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Speaker 2: when the Zero Carbon Act was handed round a cabinet table,

955
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Speaker 2: and he voted for that too. This is the reason

956
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Speaker 2: the banks are giving for icing lending to the oil

957
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Speaker 2: industry and even some petrol stations. The finger he pointeth

958
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: so angrily at others, may be better served pointing right

959
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Speaker 2: back at himself.

960
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Speaker 3: Ryan Bridge twenty.

961
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Speaker 2: Eight half to five News Talks. They'd be nine nine

962
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Speaker 2: two is the number to text. Would love to hear

963
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Speaker 2: from you. Lots to come, lots more to come on

964
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Speaker 2: the show, and I will get to your text on

965
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Speaker 2: the school lunches too.

966
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Speaker 3: After making the news. The newsmakers.

967
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Speaker 1: Talk to Ryan first, it's Ryan Bridge on Hither duplessy

968
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Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be good evening twenty four minutes away from six.

970
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: Great to be with you on this Friday evening after six.

971
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the We're gonna talk to

972
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Speaker 2: garage project co owner. Actually about the government wanting growth. Well,

973
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Speaker 2: they've got growth of plenty in the bear and beverage industry,

974
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: but they're being held back by excise duties. That's a

975
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Speaker 2: story for after six. Right now. SkyTV has stepped up

976
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Speaker 2: its game and apologizing to customers. This over the failing

977
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Speaker 2: satellite connections. So you would have seen this if you've

978
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Speaker 2: got Sky. Many of you have been complaining and texting

979
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: us to say, actually it's glitching out. There's a glitch

980
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Speaker 2: in the matrix. CEO Sophie Maloney's posted a video on

981
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Speaker 2: social media this afternoon.

982
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 15: Recently some of you haven't had the Sky experience you deserve.

983
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm very sorry for this, and yes she knows it's

984
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Speaker 2: all very frustrating for you, and I.

985
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Speaker 15: Understand how frustrating this is for those who are affected

986
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Speaker 15: and I apologize for.

987
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Speaker 2: This and another apology.

988
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Speaker 15: We've been doing a lot more tech callouts than usual

989
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 15: due to these signal issues, and while our techs have

990
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 15: been working as hard as they can to meet your needs,

991
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Speaker 15: we've let you down at times.

992
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: And finally, a bit about the money.

993
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 15: However, if this issue persists for you, please get in

994
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 15: touch with the Sky's care team so you can work

995
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Speaker 15: out how best to support you, including making a credit

996
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 15: to your account. If you're experiencing ongoing interruptions to your viewing,

997
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 15: well that.

998
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: Will be music to the years of those people who

999
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Speaker 2: were you know, because it's for some people, especially if

1000
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Speaker 2: you're on an island like Great Barrier, where you've got

1001
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 2: Sky and you rely on that and you need it,

1002
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: the credit will be welcome news. We call that a

1003
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 2: hostage video where somebody steers down the barrel of their

1004
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: social media and has to do some kind of mere culpa.

1005
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 2: So there you go. Sky has officially done a hostage

1006
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: video at twenty two to six.

1007
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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty,

1008
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: local and global exposure like no others.

1009
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 9: With thirty seconds to go, the super Sovice done it again.

1010
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 7: And all points are.

1011
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 2: Going to go home with the three points.

1012
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 10: Probably stand out would be probably James. You know, obviously

1013
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 10: the club has brought him for everything that he brings.

1014
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 23: You know, my father was the other day of the accident,

1015
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 23: and you know there was an image that was created

1016
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Speaker 23: in instilled in his head of a young disabled girl

1017
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 23: and in that moment when national anthem was playing, I

1018
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Speaker 23: got to change that into.

1019
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: A world champion and the voice of Dames Sophie Pasco

1020
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: and we'll get to here in a second, Nicki Styrs

1021
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 2: sports journalists here for the sports huddle tonight.

1022
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 7: Hey Nicki, hello guys.

1023
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: Great to have you won with Andrew Gordy's sports commentator.

1024
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: Good evening, Gordy, mate, how are you very well? It's

1025
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: great to have you both on the show. Let's start

1026
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: with the Warriors captain. Who's it going to be? Do

1027
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: you think? NICKI will start with you? Is James Fisher.

1028
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 2: Harris's name has been thrown about there. I know you're

1029
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: a huge Warriors fan, so what's your.

1030
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 24: Yeah, I am, although actually I'm going to put my

1031
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 24: vote in f Mitch Barnett. I think that he's proven

1032
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 24: that he can do the job. He did it late

1033
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 24: last year was Tory Harris injured. He's a man that

1034
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 24: leads by his actions. He's proven that not only for

1035
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 24: the Warriors, but for the Blues, the Kangaroos, and I

1036
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 24: think he's got the respect of the playing group at

1037
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 24: the moment, and I think that's actually really vital going

1038
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 24: in to a new season. Don't get me wrong, James Fisher.

1039
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 24: Harris is also a very good candidate, however, I think,

1040
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 24: and even he has openly said he probably needs to

1041
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 24: earn that position first, and he's new to the club,

1042
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 24: so he needs to come and show what he can

1043
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 24: do lead by his actions, and he has signed on

1044
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 24: for a bit latest or a bit longer to end

1045
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 24: of twenty twenty eight, I believe, so I think there's

1046
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 24: time for him. So that's kind of where I'm putting

1047
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 24: my vote.

1048
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 2: All right, what about you, Gordy.

1049
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 25: I don't disagree with any of that actually, and I think, sorry, mate, sorry,

1050
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 25: I can make something up for you if you like.

1051
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 25: Look Mitch Barney, he's got real Kevin Campion vibes about him,

1052
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 25: and he was the player of the Year last year.

1053
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 25: He absolutely command's respect within that dressing room. So right now,

1054
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 25: I think he probably is the top candidate, but James

1055
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 25: Fisher Harris. From everything I've heard about this man, it

1056
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 25: doesn't matter what dressing room.

1057
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: He walks into.

1058
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 25: He absolutely leads by example in everything that he does.

1059
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 25: But the challenge for him is walking straight in and

1060
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 25: commanding that straight away, so there might be a challenge there.

1061
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 25: And then you've got Roger toy varsashk as well. Well,

1062
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 25: he's the only person in that dressing room that's won

1063
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 25: a Delian medal. He's done it all for this club

1064
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 25: on the field. I think probably the question mark for

1065
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 25: him is that his form last season probably doesn't necessarily

1066
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 25: demand captaincy and leadership just yet. I think they'll go

1067
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 25: with Mitch Barnett and he'll have two excellent deputy deputies,

1068
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 25: and James Fisher Harris and Roger touyvarsashek.

1069
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: All right, well, that sounds good. They're in good hands

1070
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: either way, and then they've got three solid options, which

1071
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: is great. Let's talk tennis. Having that end that was

1072
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: earlier this week, but the Australian Open, NICKI I had

1073
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Speaker 2: a problem with that.

1074
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 23: Well.

1075
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Speaker 2: I don't like it when people protest at sporting events

1076
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: generally anyway, because it's it's annoying. I mean, people pay

1077
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: a lot of money to go and see these things

1078
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: and if they're constantly being interrupted by fairy dust from

1079
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: some climate protester, I just.

1080
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 26: You know.

1081
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: But anyway, this was quite a separate situation that so

1082
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: this is sphere and was being heckled before an interview,

1083
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: and it was it was about some domestic violence allegations

1084
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: that he had faced. But we've also had this anti

1085
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: royal chanting. This is at the Champions League game against

1086
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 2: aston Villa that Prince William attended, where they said Lizzie's

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Speaker 2: in a box, which is I mean, it's terrible, it's terrible, nicky.

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Speaker 2: What do we do about this or is it just

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Speaker 2: part of the part of sport.

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Speaker 24: Look, I think there's a little bit of a difference

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Speaker 24: between some you know, like an individual sport like tennis,

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Speaker 24: like golf, because it becomes very personal when someone's here

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00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 24: called you know, it's not like a team event where

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Speaker 24: you can throw out general heckling and everybody affected by that.

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Speaker 24: I just think I agree with you where it's actually

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Speaker 24: not the correct platform for that type of heckling. And

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Speaker 24: I think that type of comment at all, I think

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Speaker 24: it ruins the experience for everybody else who've paid a

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Speaker 24: lot of money to go and watch. You know, professional

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Speaker 24: people do a professional job. And also you know, it's

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Speaker 24: it becomes almost like a kangaroo court, and I think,

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Speaker 24: you know that's not fair. You can't you can't put

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Speaker 24: somebody on the spot for something that's a very very

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Speaker 24: serious allegation, which I might add has not been proven.

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Speaker 24: And you know, there was two out of court settlements.

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Speaker 24: The ATP launched an investigation into one of them. No

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Speaker 24: discipline react was taken. None of that comes into account.

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Speaker 24: He's just basically standing there and she's having a good

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Speaker 24: right old crack. No, I don't agree with it. It's

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Speaker 24: no place for it.

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Speaker 25: Well, she certainly picked her moment, didn't she, when the

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Speaker 25: entire crowd was silent waiting for his words. I'm yeah,

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Speaker 25: I'm not just quite sure how I feel about this,

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00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 25: because what she actually said wasn't actually that bad. You know,

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Speaker 25: she didn't make could direct threat to him, didn't make

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Speaker 25: didn't make use derogatory language or anything like that. She

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Speaker 25: purely made a statement that Australia believes these two women. Now,

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Speaker 25: she doesn't have the right I don't think to speak

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Speaker 25: on behalf of everyone. But if she had said I believe,

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Speaker 25: I don't know what's.

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Speaker 19: Wrong with that.

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Speaker 18: Well, I don't think it's the right platform.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps not, but she certainly may got her point across.

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Speaker 2: And to be fair to her, she she also didn't

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Speaker 2: interrupt a game. She just interrupted a broadcast, really didn't she?

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Speaker 2: That's great?

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Speaker 24: But what do you do if you're you're zere? You know,

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Speaker 24: what do you do in that situation? You're damned if

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Speaker 24: you do, and you're damned if you don't. If you

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Speaker 24: speak up against.

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Speaker 19: Her, you look like an asshole.

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Speaker 24: Excuse me, I'd about.

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Speaker 3: To say that, forgot said it.

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Speaker 2: Now one.

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Speaker 19: Is sorry, you know? So what does he do?

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Speaker 24: And if he sits in silence, then she gets her

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Speaker 24: platform and he gets to say nothing in his own defense.

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Speaker 18: I think it's Yeah, I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because, like golf, not great for shouting out,

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Speaker 2: Tennis not great for shouting out because they're quite intimate

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Speaker 2: sort of arenas.

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Speaker 25: That's right, But for golf, I mean that the etiquette

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Speaker 25: is clear. Right, you do not make a sound while

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00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 25: the player is in their backswing, for example. But as

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Speaker 25: you quite rightly pointed out, this was not during the game.

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Speaker 25: It was after the game, it was all over. She

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Speaker 25: picked a moment to get a point across. And does

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Speaker 25: he have the right like you say, guilty, you know,

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 25: innocent until proven guilty, et cetera, et cetera. But does

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00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 25: he absolutely have the right to walk around and play

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Speaker 25: tennis and receive nothing?

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly not. She's proven not and one to Pacific

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Speaker 2: level chat that and also Auckland FC. Nicki starrs Andrew

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Speaker 2: Gordy on the Sports Huddle, returning.

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Speaker 1: Next the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International

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Speaker 1: Realty Elevate the Marketing of your Home.

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Speaker 2: Twelve to six news Talk, said be Nicki starras sports

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Speaker 2: journalist and Andrew Gordy's sports commentator on the Sports Huddle

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Speaker 2: this evening. Let's talk onea PACIFICA. So they want to

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Speaker 2: make the Super Rugby Final this season and they want

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Speaker 2: to get a title within five years. This is the

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Speaker 2: plan they do, of course have Artie Savier. Is it,

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Speaker 2: Gordy a realistic goal or I mean, what good to

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: dream big?

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Speaker 25: I suppose it is good to dream big. That's essentially

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Speaker 25: my point. I think there Do I believe that they'll

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Speaker 25: achieve their goal. I certainly hope that they do. And

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Speaker 25: Ardie Savia is certainly the player I think you would want.

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Speaker 25: If you could choose any player right now to build

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Speaker 25: a team around, it would be Ardie Savia. So they've

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Speaker 25: chosen the right guy in that regard. But one person

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Speaker 25: does not make a team, so they're going to need

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Speaker 25: to build around him, and five years isn't necessarily impossible

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Speaker 25: to do. But they've got a long way to climb

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Speaker 25: from where they are. But I love the goal and

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Speaker 25: I love what certainly getting Ardie Savia, what that does

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Speaker 25: for the Muana Pacifica fan base and the PACIFICA community

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01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 25: to get behind this team because Llan Rugby and Super

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01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 25: Rugby needs this team to fly.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that sentiment, Nicky?

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Speaker 27: What he says?

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Speaker 24: Do you know it was another one of those situations where.

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Speaker 20: Okay stole my Sunday.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's pretty hard to disagree with all of that.

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Speaker 24: You have to dream big and New Zealand Rugby definitely

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Speaker 24: needs them to fly. But I'm kind of an agreeance

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Speaker 24: that you know, they've only been around what's their third

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Speaker 24: season or whatever, and being based in New Zealand, I'm

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Speaker 24: not sure. It always works for you in the sense of,

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Speaker 24: you know, keeping that momentum going with your fan base

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Speaker 24: and so you know, Ardie Savia of course is going

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Speaker 24: to bring wonderful things to the leadership, you know, just expectation, professionalism,

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Speaker 24: all of those things. But as Goodie says, you can't

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Speaker 24: build an entire campaign around one player. You're going to

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 24: have to get more buy in and time we'll see

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Speaker 24: that develop.

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Speaker 2: I think do you know who they could take some

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Speaker 2: inspiration from as Auckland FC, because look at them. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is their first this is their first foray in

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Speaker 2: right and they're top of the leader table, you know,

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Speaker 2: halfway through the season right now. Are you confident, Gordy

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01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 2: the Beers football's your thing?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: Are you confident they're going to stay there?

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01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 19: Am I confident they're going to stay there?

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01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 25: I think if they have a fully fit squad, they

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Speaker 25: are very competitive and a red hot chance to win

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Speaker 25: this title, absolutely, because they've got the fan base behind them.

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Speaker 25: But they need fit players and I think the injury

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Speaker 25: to Dan Hall has certainly affected Auckland f C's form.

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Speaker 25: But if they can get him back and keep the

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Speaker 25: rest of the squad fit, they're a red hot chants.

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Speaker 2: There's an interesting piece in the Herald this week, Nikki

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Speaker 2: that talks about the sort of overlap in Auckland, in

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Speaker 2: particular for the fan base between the Warriors, the Blues

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Speaker 2: and Auckland FC, and just how these two franchises are

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Speaker 2: potentially going to really hurt the Blues.

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Speaker 24: I actually think it could have the opposite effect. I

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 24: think it's really mobilizing Auckland is to get him behind sport,

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Speaker 24: the sport in their city. You know, it's a good

1221
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 24: situation to have the Warriors going flying that. You know,

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01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 24: the Blues proved last year that they have got what

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 24: it takes to win a Super Rugby title. The Auckland,

1224
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 24: you know, a football club are doing a fantastic job

1225
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 24: and you know, looking like a maiden title. So I

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Speaker 24: sort of see it the other way. I think I

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Speaker 24: think rugby needs They have had some challenges, let's let's

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 24: face it, as a product, and they are going to

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Speaker 24: need the Auckland crowd to get behind them for this

1230
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Speaker 24: season to make sure that they do do the Auckland

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Speaker 24: the rugby product. Well, I mean, look the using on

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 24: rugby board last season was in disarray. These questions around

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01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 24: Eden Park. Is it the right stadium for Auckland Blues.

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Speaker 24: But I actually think the success of the Warriors, the

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01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 24: fans behind the Warriors and Auckland's FC will will move

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 24: and permeate into the Aukland Blues.

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Speaker 19: This is a huge perception issue, isn't it.

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Speaker 25: We're talking about a team and whether they are now

1239
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 25: third in the pecking order. They won their competition last

1240
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 25: year and we're all on board the hype train. Of

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01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 25: course that exists around the Warriors and Auckland f C,

1242
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 25: who at the moment haven't won anything. So where is

1243
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 25: that perception built from? It's what you see on TV

1244
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 25: because the Warriors and Auckland f C are playing at

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 25: a purpose fit you know, purpose Belt stadium White so

1246
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 25: purpose Belt, but it's perfect for them, Whereas the Blues

1247
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 25: play in a massive stadium that they cannot have a

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Speaker 25: hope of filling.

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Speaker 19: So what are they going to do?

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Speaker 25: They either move or find a way to I suppose

1251
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Speaker 25: pack up on the sentiment that Nick's talking about. Auckland

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 25: sports fans are mobilized at the moment, so the Blues

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01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 25: have to get on board that and make sure that

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Speaker 25: they get as many fans into that stadium as possible,

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Speaker 25: make the tickets dirt cheap, just get people there, because

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Speaker 25: that builds the perception.

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Speaker 2: Around the they're going. Sometimes, when you watch them at

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01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 2: the rate they're going, you could play at a high

1259
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: school and you feel like they wouldn't fill it out, you.

1260
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 19: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 25: If you actually go, it's an enjoyable experience. But the

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Speaker 25: trouble is it's such a big stadium they haven't got

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Speaker 25: a chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting point, really interesting point. Guys.

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Speaker 26: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Well, I haven't seen you, Nikki,

1267
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 2: but I don't need to do that.

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01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 3: I'd great to see you too, obviously.

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Speaker 19: Andrews, you know, he went into the studio, got the

1270
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 19: jump on me just around there about.

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd pop in and see bridging.

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Speaker 19: What a trade did you?

1273
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, You're coming next time, Nicki Nicki staris

1274
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Speaker 2: sports journalist Andrew Gordy, sports commentator on the Sports Huddle

1275
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Speaker 2: for your Friday night Thanks guys. It is seven to

1276
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: six news talks inb.

1277
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: Red or Blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

1278
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: battleground states.

1279
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Speaker 1: The latest on the US election is Heather Duplicy Allan

1280
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Speaker 1: Drive with one new Zealand.

1281
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 3: Let's get connected us talk SIB.

1282
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: You would have heard in the news about the former

1283
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: ACT Party president Tim Jaego. We've got a statement from

1284
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 2: the ACT Party. I'll read you that after six o'clock. Also,

1285
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: after six we're going to talk about beer and the

1286
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: fact that there is so much excise duty. Apparently half

1287
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 2: of if you get a twelve box of twelve beer,

1288
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: six of them are tax whether that's excise duty or

1289
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: tax or GST or whatever. Anyway, and talk about all

1290
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: of that good stuff after six. Right now, though very

1291
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 2: quickly for you, just some information, you know, Deep Seek.

1292
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: Apparently in Australia they're saying don't download it because there

1293
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 2: is absolutely no guarantee, in fact, quite the opposite, that

1294
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: your information will end up with the Chinese government. Two reasons. One,

1295
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 2: it's in the Chinese law that any app made there

1296
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 2: that the government reserves the right to have access to

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01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: information on it. And what's more, it says it in

1298
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: deep Sex terms and conditions that they can hand your

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Speaker 2: information over to the Chinese government. So I mean, at

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Speaker 2: least they've been upfront about it. But of my advice,

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Speaker 2: we don't download the app. Three to six News Talks BE.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: on News Talks MB.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, it is six after six. Great to have

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Speaker 2: your company tonight. Jason Walls raps the political week for us. Shortly.

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Speaker 2: We're in Hong Kong with the Asia Business Report, and

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Speaker 2: our UK correspondent Gail Downey joins us before top of

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Speaker 2: the hour. Right now if you might be sitting down

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Speaker 2: actually to enjoy a cold brew yourself, So this is

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Speaker 2: great timing. A new report has found that beer makes

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Speaker 2: up almost one percent of our country's GDP. Brewing accounted

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Speaker 2: for three point six billion dollars of our GDP last year.

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Speaker 2: One point three percent of the national workforce is employed

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Speaker 2: in the brewing industry, but alcohol excise duties often outpace inflation,

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Speaker 2: and this is having an effect on the industry. Josh

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Speaker 2: Ruffle is the co owner of award winning Brewery Garage Project,

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Speaker 2: and he's with me now, Joss. Good evening, Good evening.

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Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations you're holding up one percent into

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Speaker 2: the economy.

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Speaker 27: Thanks. I don't know if we can take full responsibilities

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Speaker 27: before that, but it is great to see you know

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Speaker 27: that brewing is making such a positive impact across New

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Speaker 27: Zealand and throughout the economy.

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Speaker 2: Is it quite labor intensive?

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Speaker 27: You know, with the smaller independent breweries, they are very

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Speaker 27: very labor intensive, so you typically see high levels of

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Speaker 27: employment in those breweries. And then as the breweries get larger,

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Speaker 27: it becomes more automated and you start to see fewer

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Speaker 27: employees per per sort of hector letter per liter produced.

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Speaker 27: But you know, there are very large brewing companies in

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Speaker 27: the country and they do employ significant amount of people

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Speaker 27: as well.

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Speaker 2: Where do you set garage project in terms of small big.

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Speaker 27: We're one of the larger independent breweries in the country,

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Speaker 27: so you know, we're now starting to go a little

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Speaker 27: toe to toe with the bigger brewer, especially in certain

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Speaker 27: areas like non alcoholic beers. Our tiny non elk beer

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Speaker 27: is the number three non elk beer in the country,

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Speaker 27: behind Heineken and Perni, which is really exciting, really pleasing

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Speaker 27: to see. But in the scheme of things, we are tiny.

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Speaker 27: You know, we are really small compared to sort of

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Speaker 27: the multinational breweries still and that goes for craft generally

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Speaker 27: across the board.

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Speaker 2: How do they feel about you taking them on?

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Speaker 27: I'm sure that I'm sure that we weren't there, But

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Speaker 27: you know, I think you know, it's when you start

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Speaker 27: to get into into that share of market, we start

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Speaker 27: to become meaningful that they're probably definitely sitting up and

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Speaker 27: paying notice. And that's what you're seeing with the consolidation

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Speaker 27: over the last several years of smaller breweries getting purchased

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Speaker 27: by the larger breweries.

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Speaker 2: Are you understanding of the alcohol excise text increases that

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Speaker 2: we've been seeing, I mean, they how much? How much

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Speaker 2: of what we consume. You know, if we get a

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Speaker 2: dozen beer or whatever is X is tax.

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Speaker 27: It's a huge portion. So our single largest ingredient cost

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Speaker 27: each month is excise tax to the government. It's tax

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Speaker 27: on a per later basis. So you know, a three

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Speaker 27: percent beer versus a six percent beer is double the tax.

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Speaker 27: And when you start to look at say a five

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Speaker 27: percent beer in the keg, you're almost getting to half

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Speaker 27: the cost of that keg comprising of excise alcohol tax

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Speaker 27: and GST by the time it hits the publican or

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Speaker 27: the hospitality.

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Speaker 2: Venue, which is very very significant. How does that compare

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Speaker 2: to overseas?

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Speaker 27: I think the biggest difference we see overseas. I mean, firstly,

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Speaker 27: other countries do tax alcohol in different ways. In America,

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Speaker 27: it's taxed on the package, so a keg of beer

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Speaker 27: has a flat tax irrespective of the alcohol content. In

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Speaker 27: the UK we see the tax scaling depends on the

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Speaker 27: size of the brewery, so the government here recognizes that

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Speaker 27: smaller breweries should be taxed at lower levels than the large, multinational,

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Speaker 27: multi billion dollar breweries. In New Zealand we have a

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Speaker 27: flat per leader of alcohol tax irrespective of the size

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Speaker 27: of your brewery.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this is a cost that you would

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Speaker 2: want to do without. But alcohol does come with social harm.

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Speaker 2: We all know this because we've seen it happen on

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Speaker 2: Courtney Place or wherever. What are you Is this something

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Speaker 2: you want changed or are you just saying, look, this

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Speaker 2: is a reality of doing business in New Zealand.

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Speaker 27: Now we're perfectly happy with having alcohol tax. We think

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Speaker 27: that's appropriate. I think what hasn't been supportive of the

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Speaker 27: industry in the last few years across both governments is

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Speaker 27: we've had excise or excites has been pegs to CPI,

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Speaker 27: Inflation has gone through the roof, and we're one of

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Speaker 27: the few countries in the world that carried on tax,

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Speaker 27: increasing the excise tax peace to that inflation. So you know,

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Speaker 27: we've had almost twenty percent excise increase in the last

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Speaker 27: three years, so excise is now significantly out of step

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Speaker 27: of what it would be if we looked at sort

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Speaker 27: of a one and a half percent average increase, which

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Speaker 27: we had from about twenty sixteen to twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 27: You know, we're probably paying twenty thirty levels of tax

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Speaker 27: as a country, as a drinker, as a producer, and

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Speaker 27: I think the industry is probably just asking government to

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Speaker 27: hate rein it back to what it should be twenty

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Speaker 27: twenty five. It's taxed at twenty twenty five levels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Why do you guys always run out of

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Speaker 2: your low card beers? This this a personal question.

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Speaker 27: I think it's you know, they're doing a big shift

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Speaker 27: in the last few years and nine out beers and

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Speaker 27: low car beers, and you know that's I guess part

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Speaker 27: of a wider traine of everyone. We're a bit more

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Speaker 27: to think things that are a little bit more health

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Speaker 27: conscious and better for you.

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Speaker 2: Are you scaling up? Is it quite hard to do

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Speaker 2: the low carb option? And are you trying a companies

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Speaker 2: like you're trying to scale up so that you can

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Speaker 2: do more?

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Speaker 27: You know, I think it's it's easy to put out

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Speaker 27: a low car beer, it's exceptionally challenging to make one

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Speaker 27: that tastes delicious, you know, to have a beer that

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Speaker 27: you know, our good shout is ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 27: percent car free, and then to actually have some flavor

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Speaker 27: and taste in aroma that took a long time to

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Speaker 27: get right.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've certainly got it right. I just need more

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Speaker 2: of it. Thank you. Josh. Great to have you on

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Speaker 2: the show. Just ruffle with us. He's the co owner

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Speaker 2: of Garage Project, talking about some of the challenges for

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Speaker 2: them in New Zealand, but also I guess huge opportunity,

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Speaker 2: particularly you've got people like me consuming so much of it.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen after six News Talks here, Big Jason Walls wraps

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Speaker 2: the political week.

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Speaker 3: Next, crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen with the Business Hour and mas

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Speaker 1: insurance and investments, cru your wealth, protect your.

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Speaker 3: Future, these dogs.

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Speaker 7: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Six sixteen, so you would have seen. Shane Jones did

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Speaker 2: a big speech today, big hu haha about in why

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Speaker 2: he about our mining sector and he's wanting to boost exports.

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Speaker 2: He wants to hit three billion dollars by twenty thirty five.

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Speaker 2: We currently said at about one point two one point

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Speaker 2: three billion dollars. That's the value of our minerals industry

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand. So he's announced the critical Minerals List.

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Speaker 2: He's added coking coal, which is mainly used for steel

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Speaker 2: and gold to the list. Now, the reason he has

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Speaker 2: done this, and you might think that's strange that they

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Speaker 2: weren't on there to begin with, but the reason he's

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Speaker 2: done this is because eighty percent of our mineral exports

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Speaker 2: are this particular type of coal and gold. They are

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Speaker 2: also obviously some of the most controversial, but it's the

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Speaker 2: quickest way to boost your economic growth. That in iron

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Speaker 2: sand's from the ocean, which is also quite controversial. But

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Speaker 2: these are your hits that you want if you want

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Speaker 2: to meet the target of three bill by twenty thirty five.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen after six, right and Bridge Rich to wrap the

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Speaker 2: political week that was, we're joined again by Jason Walls,

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Speaker 2: our political editor. Hey, Jason, Oh, good evening. Right, It's

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Speaker 2: been a week dominated by silly, snyde and downright offensive

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Speaker 2: comments by politicians. What do you think the public thinks

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Speaker 2: about all of that?

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Speaker 19: You can't really be a voter and look at what

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Speaker 19: happened this week and thinking you're getting your bang for

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Speaker 19: your buck with the politicians down here. It all started

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Speaker 19: with this from Shane Jones earlier in the week of

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Speaker 19: human life decreases. Hard to hear, but he's yelling send

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Speaker 19: the Mexicans home in the background, and an apparent dig

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Speaker 19: at Mexican born MP from the Greens Ricardo Menandez March.

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Speaker 19: Then later there was this from Winston.

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Speaker 7: I know they're laughing.

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Speaker 28: The Greens are laughing at that because they find that comical.

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Speaker 5: They find that comical.

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Speaker 28: The very people who are here on the very refuge

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Speaker 28: that wigi to them, have come here with your ideas

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Speaker 28: foreign to our country, native to theirs, and they wish

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Speaker 28: to impose them one out Parliament.

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Speaker 19: So that was aimed at Green Party members of Asian descent,

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Speaker 19: So you can see why there was quite a lot

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Speaker 19: of frustration with Winston and Shane Jones over that one.

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Speaker 19: Then we heard this from TI Party Marty later in

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Speaker 19: the week during a Select committee. So how in your institutionalized,

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Speaker 19: individualized using your words process.

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Speaker 18: Does your system, an institutional system, understand that and respond

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Speaker 18: to it in an enduring way?

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Speaker 7: Because it doesn't sound like, Look, I.

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Speaker 15: Have to disagree with most of what you've said, and

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Speaker 15: you're entitled to say it, but I actually disagree with

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Speaker 15: most of what You've.

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Speaker 19: Got a gap of knowledgements.

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Speaker 7: You don't understand.

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Speaker 19: That's her saying. That is many many a metal kapakini

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Speaker 19: who's a tiparty Mary MP telling it made Mary act

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Speaker 19: MP Karen Shaw that she doesn't understand the essence of

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Speaker 19: being Mary. So none of it good and it prompted

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Speaker 19: the Prime Minister to say this, there's.

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Speaker 17: A moment between stimulus and response, just calling everybody as

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Speaker 17: a as a leader to say, hey, listen, take that moment,

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Speaker 17: think about what you're going to say before you put

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Speaker 17: your mouth into gear.

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Speaker 19: So nobody's coming out of this looking particularly good. But

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Speaker 19: as the Prime Minister says, and I'm just saying to everybody,

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Speaker 19: what's your language, I'm not the language police.

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Speaker 5: I need to make sure that actually we are delivering

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Speaker 5: for the New Zealand people. That's what we're focused on.

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Speaker 2: There you go, goodness may right. The government's had a

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Speaker 2: few policy wins this week outside of all of that

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Speaker 2: talk walked me through those.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, believe it or not, the government has actually

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Speaker 19: been doing some governing this week digital nomads. They made

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Speaker 19: an announcement about that to start the week, which was

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Speaker 19: essentially the news the government would be making it easier

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Speaker 19: for people who wanted to work remotely from New Zealand

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Speaker 19: to come to New Zealand to do exactly that, and

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Speaker 19: that's the government's bid to attract more high value tourists.

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Speaker 19: Then they had their speed limit announcement. Thirty eight sections

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Speaker 19: of road will have their speed limits reversed to the

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Speaker 19: speed that they once were before the last government brought

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Speaker 19: them down, and there are another forty nine sections of

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Speaker 19: road being consulted on.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 19: It's been slammed by some, but then logistic and say, hey,

1516
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 19: it's great, it's going to save us a ton of money.

1517
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 19: So ultimately, I actually do think this one probably does

1518
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 19: play well with the general public who probably were a

1519
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 19: bit frustrated at having to arbitrarily slow down at some places.

1520
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 19: And then today we had the Dunedin Hospital. The last

1521
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 19: government let the expected cost blow out to almost three

1522
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 19: billion dollars in Simeon Brown this morning announced that would

1523
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 19: go on the cost one point eight eight billion dollars.

1524
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 19: So there are a few shortfalls in the announcement in

1525
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 19: terms of it's got a few fewer beds than what

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 19: had been previously had been previously promised, but it doesn't

1527
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 19: meet you know, I don't think it's an insurmountable loss,

1528
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 19: given the fact that there's almost a billion dollars that

1529
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 19: they've been able to save for this one. So yes,

1530
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 19: a lot of distractions this week for the government, but

1531
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 19: in the end they did actually achieve quite a few

1532
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 19: policy wins.

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is great for them, whether they've been noticed

1534
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: or not. As another thing, I suppose one thing that

1535
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 2: certainly couldn't go without noticing this week was the asset

1536
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: sales debate and long may that debate continue, because it's

1537
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 2: an important one for us to us to have with

1538
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 2: half a trillion dollars worth of asset, it's in the

1539
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:00,960
Speaker 2: public purse.

1540
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 19: Yeah, exactly. I mean, speaking of distraction, that was David

1541
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 19: Seymour that thrust this one into the limelight last Friday

1542
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 19: and it has been dominating the political rhetoric this week,

1543
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 19: or at least definitely the first half of this week.

1544
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 19: The Prime Minister was forced to say listen, there's no

1545
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 19: asset sales during this term of government. However, he said

1546
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 19: that if they were taking it to the next election,

1547
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 19: it would be an election topic, an election policy from

1548
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,280
Speaker 19: the National government. The Labor Party wanted nothing to do

1549
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 19: with it at all and said we're against asset sales

1550
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 19: in all their forms. But you're right, Ryan, it has

1551
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 19: sparked us really good conversation. I mean, we had John

1552
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 19: keyon with hosting earlier in the week that said, you know,

1553
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 19: so we shouldn't have a knee jerk reaction to say

1554
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 19: no because the government owns something that the private sector

1555
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 19: couldn't do it better, that's a backwards way of thinking.

1556
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 19: But he also made the point that there's not a

1557
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 19: hell of a lot left that's worth selling, was what

1558
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 19: sir John Key said. So a lot of perspectives on

1559
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 19: that one, and were still a ways away from the election,

1560
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 19: but you can guarantee that this topic has gon to

1561
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 19: keep boiling away, especially given Nikola Willis has got this

1562
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 19: list of assets somewhere where the Treasury is looking over

1563
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 19: to assess its viability.

1564
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 2: All right, Jason, thank you for that. Jason Wall, News

1565
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: Talks MB's political editor, twenty two minutes after six and

1566
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: you're on news Talks B this evening. The former Act

1567
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: Party president. This is slightly related because it's political. The

1568
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 2: former ACT Party president Tim Jago has now been named

1569
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 2: as the former political figure who was abused teenage boys

1570
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 2: in the nineteen nineties. Now the ACT Party has released

1571
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: a statement on this, and I'll give you the details

1572
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 2: of that next.

1573
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: Whether it's Macro, micro Boygeous playing economics, it's all on

1574
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge on newstalksb.

1575
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 2: Six twenty five. So the former ACT Party president Tim Jago,

1576
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: he was jails a week while ago now on historical

1577
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: sexual abuse charges. He had name suppression which has lapse,

1578
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 2: which is why his name is being allowed on the

1579
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: news this afternoon, this evening. Now the ACT Party has

1580
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: released a statement about this. They say the events occurred

1581
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: twenty years before his involvement with the ACT Party, and

1582
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 2: they say there was no way of them knowing about

1583
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 2: his offending at the time. And they say today is

1584
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: not about politics, it's about justice for the survivors. They

1585
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: are quick to point out that the party took the

1586
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 2: original allegation extremely seriously when first made and they were

1587
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: made aware of it on a social media post. Apparently

1588
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: back in November twenty twenty two. They sought advice from

1589
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 2: Paul Wick's KC as to the appropriate steps that they

1590
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: should take in that situation. They followed that advice. They say,

1591
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,879
Speaker 2: we respect the outcome of the court process and commend

1592
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: the courage of those who came forward. We hope this

1593
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 2: verdict brings them some closure. So there you go, And

1594
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: that's a statement from the act party on that. They'll

1595
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: be hoping that it's, you know, sort of something that's

1596
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: seen as in the past. I suppose twenty six minutes

1597
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: after six were going to Hong Kong after the news

1598
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: at six thirty to check in with our Asia Business correspondent.

1599
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: The B and zed this story about the coal mind

1600
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 2: that apparently was told its bank accounts would be shut

1601
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: down by B and Z and there's this call to

1602
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: regulate the banks come out and say, you know, you

1603
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: have to provide lending to these guys. I just don't

1604
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 2: know about that is more regulation? What banks need?

1605
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 22: You know?

1606
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 2: I think that there should be a market solution. You

1607
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: would hope there's a market solution where another bank would

1608
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: step in an opera and offer lending and security to

1609
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: any of these outfits. And it's not just you know,

1610
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: big oil, it's petrol stations, We spoke to one last

1611
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: year here on drive there just before Christmas who was

1612
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 2: having all of their accounts basically shut down, all of

1613
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 2: their cars going to be canceled because they were in

1614
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 2: a rural petrol station. I mean, come on, they were

1615
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: worried about supposedly worried about the rise of evs. Last

1616
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: place you need to worry about the rise of EVS

1617
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: is in rural New Zealand. I would have thought anyway.

1618
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I'm just not convinced that going and whacking them with

1619
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: more regulations is going to solve the problem. Twenty seven

1620
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: after six News Talks.

1621
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 1: MB everything from SMEs to the big corporates of the

1622
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Ryan Bridge on News Talks EDB.

1623
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: Good evening, twenty five away from seven. You're on News

1624
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 2: Talks MB. Great to have your company this Friday evening

1625
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 2: Gale Downey's Live Out of the UK before seven o'clock. Interestingly,

1626
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 2: looking there at a new criminal offense that they hope

1627
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 2: will stop people crossing the ocean and these boats that

1628
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 2: often end up drowning or killing themselves in the process.

1629
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: So they are hoping to try and knit that in

1630
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 2: the bud with a change and their laws there we'll

1631
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: get to that shortly. Right now, though, let's go to Asia.

1632
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 2: Peter Lewis is our correspondent in Hong Kong heavy Chinese

1633
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: New Year.

1634
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 29: Peter, thank you very much and happy you have to

1635
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 29: sneak to you.

1636
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 10: Ryan.

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01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 2: So the big story, and we've been following it closely

1638
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,719
Speaker 2: over here, but I'm dying to know. This is Deep Seek,

1639
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: the ai company. I'm dying to know how it's all

1640
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: been received in China and well in Asia more generally,

1641
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 2: but specifically in China well.

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01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 29: With with great interest, partly because this company has really

1643
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 29: come out of nowhere. Most people have never heard of

1644
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 29: it until this week. It's based in Tuangzhou, which is

1645
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 29: on the eastern coast of China, and it's that's the

1646
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 29: city that's hosts the headquarters of Ali Baba. So Guangzhou

1647
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 29: is known as being a sort of a center of entrepreneurship.

1648
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 29: But this really did take people by surprise. But what

1649
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 29: it has prompted is in a rush just before Chinese

1650
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 29: New Year, other companies to also get out similar models,

1651
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 29: which they say they have also been done very very cheaply.

1652
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 29: Deep six said it's model cost just five five and

1653
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 29: a half million dollars. Well, when you look at open Ai,

1654
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 29: it's worth about three hundred and fifty billion. It's sort

1655
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 29: of really the minnows sort of fighting back. But what

1656
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 29: it sort of shows that's interesting here is that in

1657
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 29: some ways, all these restrictions that have been put by

1658
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 29: the US on tech companies to try and stemmy their

1659
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,760
Speaker 29: growth haven't really worked, and they've sort of had unintended consequences,

1660
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 29: one of which is this in that companies find new

1661
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 29: ways to become innovative, to get around them, to carry

1662
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 29: on developing their products. And Chinese people in general are

1663
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 29: very innovative when the government doesn't interfere. I mean, look

1664
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 29: at companies like Ali, Barbara and ten cents. They grew

1665
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 29: into global giants before the government trampled on them. China

1666
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:02,520
Speaker 29: has a very good and university system, lots of good engineers, mathematicians, scientists.

1667
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 29: It really is a highly educated country, lots of entrepreneurs.

1668
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,280
Speaker 29: It's a big, big country, so lots of people who

1669
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 29: really can sort of get involved in things like this.

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01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 29: And it reminds me a little bit of Japan in

1671
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 29: the nineteen eighties, when America had the same problem with

1672
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 29: Japan that it has now In that Japanese companies were

1673
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 29: becoming bigger and overtaking American companies. They put all sorts

1674
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 29: of restrictions on them selling their products, but it didn't

1675
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 29: stop them. Firms like Toyota still became the largest man

1676
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 29: motor manufacturer in the world. Where we think the same

1677
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 29: thing happen here. Chinese companies are learning how to get

1678
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 29: around these restrictions. They're making their own development innovatively and

1679
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 29: you know, and building up their companies. Now, of course

1680
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 29: there are issues about sort of intellectual property theft and

1681
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 29: the likes, but nevertheless, some of this has been done

1682
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 29: off their own back and off their own initiatives.

1683
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: What about the Chinese National Intelligence law that apparently requires

1684
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 2: any organization like deep seap for example, they have to

1685
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 2: support and cooperate with the government should the government request it.

1686
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of the things that is

1687
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 2: in Australia, for example, they're saying the cybersecurity experits, they're saying,

1688
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: don't download deep seak because there is this law. There

1689
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: is this control is there, and do they use it?

1690
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 26: Oh?

1691
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 29: Yeah, absolutely. I mean this is one of the reasons

1692
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 29: why TikTok's claim that it would never hand over data

1693
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 29: to the Chinese government really doesn't hold much water because

1694
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 29: if the Chinese government, they say that they would refuse

1695
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 29: to do so. Well, if the Chinese government ordered TikTok

1696
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 29: or deep seak or any other company to handover data

1697
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 29: on its users, they would have to do so. And

1698
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,560
Speaker 29: they ask many people who have seen the consequences of

1699
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 29: firms that don't oblige by these don't accept these data

1700
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 29: security law and don't follow them, the consequences are pretty dire.

1701
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 29: People go to jail, the companies can get broken up.

1702
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 29: And even the biggest, biggest companies like Ali Baba, like

1703
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 29: ten Cents, they have suffered from this as well. So no,

1704
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 29: that law is very much inforced, that it is enforced

1705
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 29: on a daily basis. And it's simply a beggars belief

1706
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 29: that a company could say we somehow wouldn't follow the

1707
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 29: instructions of the Chinese government. The Chinese Communist Party as

1708
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 29: it is at the moment, intrudes in every single area

1709
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 29: of business.

1710
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 10: And of life.

1711
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and to be fear to deep stick, they

1712
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 2: do put it in their t's and c's. So I

1713
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 2: guess you can't say you didn't know you've got some

1714
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 2: data for well, you've got the more broadly some economic

1715
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 2: data for US out of China this week, Yes.

1716
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 29: We had some pmis coming out. Once again, the economic

1717
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 29: data in general is not really matching up the growth target.

1718
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 29: The GDP data last year is GDP grew five percent.

1719
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 29: That met Beijing's growth target. A lot of people are

1720
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 29: very skeptical about that because the anecdotal evidence on the

1721
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 29: ground doesn't suggest at all that China is really meeting that.

1722
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 29: Businesses are struggling, they're having to lay off people, there's

1723
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 29: been a big slump in consumption. Retail sales are not

1724
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 29: really growing, and we saw that in the PMI data

1725
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 29: that came out earlier in the week where the manufacturing

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Speaker 29: PMI showed its first contraction since September. Well, that's not

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Speaker 29: in support of an economy that's growing at five percent. So,

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Speaker 29: you know, the anecdotal evidence shows that China really has

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Speaker 29: some problems, and in particular, it's got to get people

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Speaker 29: out spending. And one of the reasons why they don't

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Speaker 29: go out and spend is because the lack of a

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Speaker 29: social security net in China. If you lose your job,

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Speaker 29: there's no support. You may find that even if you

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Speaker 29: have health insurance as people did during COVID. It doesn't

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Speaker 29: cover you. So people are now saving more for the future,

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Speaker 29: saving for their healthcare, saving for their kids' education because

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Speaker 29: the state isn't providing anywhere near enough support, and that

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Speaker 29: of course affects consumption.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff. I can remember. I used to live in Beijing, Peter,

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Speaker 2: and there were these economic investigators. I'd never heard of

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Speaker 2: them before, but they were. They're like private investigators that

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Speaker 2: would go around because the obviously the party would say

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Speaker 2: this is the growth rate, and you would have big

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Speaker 2: multinational corporations who go, well, do we believe this? And

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Speaker 2: they would go around and they'd look at, you know,

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Speaker 2: steel plants, they look at factories, they'd look at how

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Speaker 2: much activity was going on, how many trucks are coming in,

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Speaker 2: how many trucks are going how many cranes are in

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Speaker 2: the sky, how much building activity is going on, and

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Speaker 2: try and come up with a with an estimate for growth.

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Speaker 2: So I'm fascinating the country, isn't it.

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Speaker 26: Yeah?

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Speaker 29: And I mean you know that's that's how a command

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01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 29: economy works. And the difference between a command's economy like

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01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 29: China and the economy like Australia or the US. A

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Speaker 29: growth GDP is an output you put in all the

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Speaker 29: parameters and outcomes the GDP In China, it's an input.

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Speaker 29: They say we want GDP of five percent. How are

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Speaker 29: we going to go and get it? And it's down

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Speaker 29: to the local governments to make sure they achieve it.

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Speaker 29: And that's where these inspectors come in to make sure

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Speaker 29: they are achieving it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating. Hey, thanks so much, Peter. Great to have

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Speaker 2: you on People Earth's Asia Business Correspondent. It has just

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01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 2: gone seventeen minutes away from seven here on News Talks,

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Speaker 2: there'd b. Gail Down is our UK correspondences with US next,

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Speaker 2: talking about that bid by the government there to try

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Speaker 2: and tackle the people smuggling issue but also retailers. So

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Speaker 2: shoplifting in Britain is completely out of control. I mean

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Speaker 2: it's bad here, apparently it's awful over there.

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Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge on News Talks it

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Speaker 1: B reporting.

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Speaker 2: To seven on your Friday evening. Gail Down is our

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Speaker 2: UK correspondent, Gail good evening to you. Hello there, Rian,

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Speaker 2: You've got a new criminal offense coming in. This is

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Speaker 2: to try in top a stop rather people smuggling across

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Speaker 2: the English Channel. What's going What's tell us about it?

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Speaker 13: Well, it is, as you say, it's part of a

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Speaker 13: crackdown on people smugglers. Around thirty seven thousand people cross

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Speaker 13: the channel in small boats last year. That's an increase

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Speaker 13: of twenty five percent on the previous year. And of

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01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 13: course the English Channel is a major, major shipping lane,

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Speaker 13: so the people who are doing this are actually putting

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Speaker 13: themselves in danger and investigators described the whole journey as

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Speaker 13: terrifying and dangerous, and so they often found themselves dealing

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Speaker 13: with traumatized victims in a floating crime scene. And of

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Speaker 13: course it's the people smugglers that this government has vowed

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Speaker 13: to actually deal with, not the people who are the

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01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 13: people who get on the boats. And part of the

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Speaker 13: crackdown also involves anyone intimidating other passengers to take part

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Speaker 13: in the journey, all being involved in the preparation of

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Speaker 13: smuggling that could mean buying boat parts. They're going to

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Speaker 13: face long sentences too.

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Speaker 2: It's something that's not an issue that's going to go

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Speaker 2: away quickly, so hopefully that can go some way to

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Speaker 2: at least reducing the problem. Speaking of problems, retailers say

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Speaker 2: shoplifting in Britain is completely out of control. You've got violence,

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Speaker 2: you've got abuse against shop workers on the rise. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have similar issues going on here, but I don't

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Speaker 2: think at the same level you've got going on there.

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Speaker 13: No, the British Retail Consortium, which represents more than two

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Speaker 13: hundred major retailers, say that thieves have become so bold

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Speaker 13: they even clear whole shells in full view of customers

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Speaker 13: and staff. And you might see some of these videos

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Speaker 13: on social media of people doing that, but of course

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Speaker 13: staff are told not to get involved in it, and

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Speaker 13: that includes security guards as well, because they're at risk

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Speaker 13: of being hurt. So the published figures by British Retail

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Speaker 13: Consortium shows a rise in thefts, with more than twenty

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Speaker 13: million incidents in twelve months to September last year, which

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Speaker 13: is four million up on the previous year. Not only that,

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01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 13: but there's been a fifty percent rise in violence and

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Speaker 13: abuse against shop workers, with more than two thousand such

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01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 13: incidents recorded on average per day, and some shop workers

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Speaker 13: say they're frightened to.

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Speaker 2: Go to work and that's not a very good situation

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Speaker 2: to be in at all. The sixties icon Marry and

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Speaker 2: Faithful has died at the age of seventy eight.

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Speaker 14: Gale Yes.

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Speaker 13: At one time she was probably best known for being

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Speaker 13: the girlfriend of the Rolling Stones lead singer Mick Jagger.

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Speaker 13: She was said to be the inspiration behind their hits

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Speaker 13: Let's Spend the Night Together, Wild Horses and you Can't Always.

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Speaker 19: Get What You Want.

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Speaker 13: When the band wrote as Tears Go By, they gave

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Speaker 13: her the song saying, oh, it's just a piece of tripe,

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Speaker 13: but she turned into a hit which they later recorded themselves.

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01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 13: You know, life in the sixties was rock and roll

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Speaker 13: and drugs, and despite her talent as a singer, she

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Speaker 13: did face personal struggles and at one time she lived

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Speaker 13: on the streets and became a heroin addict. But she

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Speaker 13: made a comeback, made twenty one albums, was a guest

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Speaker 13: on stage at Glastonbury. Her final performance was in Paris

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Speaker 13: in twenty sixteen, proving she was much more than a

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Speaker 13: rock star's girlfriend but an artist in her own right.

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Speaker 2: Incredible life, incredible story. Has passed away at the age

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Speaker 2: of seventy eight. Gale thank you very much, lovely to

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Speaker 2: have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Ran Jail Downey are UK correspondent with us. It's just

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01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,720
Speaker 2: gone ten to seven here on News Talks, you'd be

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01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 2: I was going to tell you about the story yesterday,

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01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to scare you, because not that

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01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 2: you're scaredy cats or anything. But we did talk about

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01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: the doomsday clock on Wednesday, and I thought if I

1847
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 2: followed up with this one on Thursday, it might all

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01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 2: be a little bit much. I'll tell you about it next.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's micro or just playing economics.

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01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hours with Heather Duplicy, Ellen

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Speaker 1: and Mas Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth to protect

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01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: your future News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Seven away from seven on News TALKSB so as I

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01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: said on Wednesday, we have the news about the doomsday clock,

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01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 2: and there's a story about an asteroid and it really

1856
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:23,640
Speaker 2: it came out, if I'm being completely honest with you,

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01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 2: it actually came out on Thursday morning, and I was

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01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 2: going to do it for you on Thursday, but I thought,

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01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just going to spare them the

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01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 2: worry and the stress about that because we've already done

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01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 2: the doomsday clock and you are it's too much. It's

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01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: too much.

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Speaker 8: So now ahead of the weekend. We're just going to

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Speaker 8: drop the stress right on you.

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Speaker 2: I thought, while you've got some time to think, you

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Speaker 2: can think about this. The asteroid is coming people, and

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Speaker 2: it's one hundred meters wide. This is a big boy,

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Speaker 2: and it's the good news is we're not going to

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Speaker 2: be killed until twenty thirty two, so we've got time.

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Speaker 2: You've got seven good years. Go and enjoy yourself. Start

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01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 2: this week. Asteroid twenty twenty four. Why R four is

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01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:06,560
Speaker 2: its name? This is the you know, the bullet with

1873
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 2: our name on it, basically spotted by an automated telescope

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01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: in Chile on the twenty seventh of December. See why

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01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 2: are we only finding out about this now? I hate

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01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 2: to be conspiratorial, but I do wonder if we're being

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01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 2: honest about things. The dinosaurs, right, the dinosaurs were hit

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01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 2: by an asteroid. How have we not had another big

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01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 2: one since then? Tell me, I know space is a

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01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: big place, and he'll come in here soon and he'll

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01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 2: tell us that spaces is a big place.

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Speaker 8: There's lots of places for the asteroid to go. That's

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01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 8: an Earth Ryan.

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01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's conspiracy.

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Speaker 8: So awful traffic here. I don't know why you'd come here.

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01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 2: True, but conspiracy I think anyway, one point three percent

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Speaker 2: chance of smashing into Earth on the twenty second of

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Speaker 2: December of twenty thirty two, so we won't quite get

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Speaker 2: to Christmas. Will you bother buying Christmas presents that year?

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Speaker 2: That's the questions the question. Basically, there's a ninety nine

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01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 2: percent probability of a barreling past us without incident. They

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01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 2: are apparently going to look at some sort of defense

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01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,759
Speaker 2: procedures to make sure that it doesn't hit us, whatever

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01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 2: that means.

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Speaker 30: I think NASA have tested this ryan and the asteroid

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01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 30: of this size. They've worked out if they throw a

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01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 30: spacecraft at it and just smack it into the rock,

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01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,759
Speaker 30: then the rock can, like they can shift its direction.

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01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 30: So they'll just get Bruce Willis and get him to

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01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 30: like send you know, a spacecraft at it, and we'll

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01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 30: be sweet.

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01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 2: Do you know who they'll actually use instead of Bruce Willis? Elon.

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01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 2: He's going to save the planet, isn't he. That's why

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01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: Trump's got him there, because of asteroid two to tueszero

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Speaker 2: two four.

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Speaker 3: Y r four.

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Speaker 8: It's going to save Christmas twenty thirty two makes sense.

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01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 30: Gail was speaking before Ryan about the song by the

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01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,439
Speaker 30: Well that the Rolling Stones wrote, but they gave to

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01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 30: Marianne Faithful because the thought it wouldn't go anywhere, and

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Speaker 30: then it became a hit and they covered it.

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Speaker 8: Well. This this is her version of it, as tears

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Speaker 8: go by, brilliant.

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Speaker 2: We'll go out to Marianne Faithful tonight, who's died at

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Speaker 2: the age of seventy eight. Thank you so much for

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01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 2: a fantastic week Oh your feedback, all your emails. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: your weekend and your next seven years. Honest, I want

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Speaker 2: joy that you.

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Speaker 7: As the sun.

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Speaker 26: All right, I said John, Stay STI Jessy, I said John,

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Speaker 26: Watch the stupid, I said Johns.

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