1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: To the Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, local 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: and global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: Joining the Huddle tonight David Farah, the Kievi Blog and 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 2: Curry Oppolster. David, good evening to you, good evening, Great 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: to have you on the show. And Ellie Jones read 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: PRS with us too. Hey Ellie, Hi Ryan, Great to 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: have you here. So David will start with you. You've 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: been doing polling for Hobson's Pledge, looking into support FOREI 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: and against the Treaty Principles Bill. This is David Siemill's bill. 10 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Are you surprised by what you found? 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: Not entirely. 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 4: It wasn't so much on the bill itself, but what 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: we asked was, if there's a disagreement between bodies about 14 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 4: what the principles of the treaty are, who should have 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 4: the final say? Should it be Parliament, a referendum, the 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 4: judiciary or the WAITINGI tribunal way And a clear majority 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 4: said it should be the people, either Parliament or a referendum. 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 4: So it wasn't about the detail of the bill, but 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: very clearly people are saying it is appropriate for Parliament 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 4: to have a role here. It's not just something late. 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: The other thing that was very interesting was we asked 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: the question and out of people to agree, you want 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 4: to honor the treaty, but only if you can do 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: it so it doesn't breach fundamental human rights like quality 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 4: of suffrage. And that's actually the issue that's getting under 26 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: all this. In the last three years before the change 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 4: of government, a lot of stuff happened under the name 28 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 4: of the treaty. You had the co governance of water. 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: You head wrote a district council there, we're going to 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: have like a voter on the general role worth youty 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 4: nine percent of a voter, Marol. And people didn't like that. 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: So what you've now got is people saying, well, we 33 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 4: you know, we want to honor the treaty, but we 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 4: want to find out what the limits are. Is the 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: treaty supreme law or are there other things more important? 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: Do you think, Ellie, that's particularly textpas in a career 37 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: pole that came out yesterday that had Seymour taking four 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: and a half points off the national Is this proof 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: that simol strategy is working. I mean not just in 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: terms of having the debate, but actually getting support for 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: his party in the process. 42 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 5: I think what's really important actually is what David didn't say, 44 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 5: And I think you know, when he talked about the 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 5: question around what bodies should determine the principles of the treaty. 46 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 5: I'm not great with maths, but when I looked at 47 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 5: the figures, they're David. Of the people who responded, there 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 5: appears to be around sixty nine percent missing. So you've 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 5: got twenty five percent who agreed that there should be 50 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 5: a referendum, twenty one percent that said it should be 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: parliament sixteen percent, why tonguey tribunal judiciary seven percent? 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: Where's the other sixty nine percent? 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: Well, not sixty nine, I'm sorry, it's thirty one. 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: It's thirty one. 55 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 5: That's sixty nine percent there, So there's thirty one percent missing. 56 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: Where are they? 57 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 4: They're called undersides, They're who just don't really understand the soul. 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: I understand there's a treaty, but they're not actually in 59 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 4: the day to day just we don't even understand what 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: this talk about the. 61 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Presce So that's the key. 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 5: And I think that you're really simplifying this and that 63 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 5: that thirty one percent of undecided is actually the story 64 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 5: and that's what's important. And I also think when you 65 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 5: talk about upholding fundamental human rights, you know, sixty two 66 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 5: percent you said support honoring the Treaty of White Tongue, 67 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 5: you provided it upholds fundamental human rights, with only two 68 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 5: twelve percent disagreeing. What do people think fundamental human rights are? 69 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 5: Is it an example of freedom, expression, liberty, conscious religion? 70 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I think the problem here, David is with respect. 71 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 5: I think you're cherry picking. And when you do surveys 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: like this, you are wanting a certain outcome. And when 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 5: you've got a really large percentage, like you know, thirty 74 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 5: one percent of. 75 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: Undecideds, that's really bloody important. I think you have to 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: explore that. 77 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: Undermental human rights. That example was given the Colleague of Suffrage. 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 4: It's the idea Katherine Mansfield didn't campaign for a woman's 79 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: vote to be half a man's vote, campaign for vote 80 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: to be equal. And that is a fundamental human rights 81 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 4: and international treaties resigned up to. It's in the build 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 4: right sect. But you've got people saying the treaty means 83 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: that New Zealand should be governed fifty percent by MARI 84 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 4: fifty percent by non MARI, which means sixteen percent of 85 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 4: the population is fifty percent of the voting power. Now 86 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 4: you can believe that, but also means that you be 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 4: breaching international human rights treaties. And that's what's actually the 88 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 4: debate ultimately is about. 89 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 5: And where does that come under the fundamental human rights 90 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 5: part of the survey that you ask though, I mean, 91 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 5: what do people understand what they were actually voting for? 92 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: The one man, one vote doesn't I mean, I think 93 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: that's what you're getting at. But yeah, you have an 94 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: example for do you have an example for us, David 95 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: of you know, I mean you mentioned co governance, but 96 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: actually where there would be a fifty to fifty you 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: would elect and they would fifty to fifty be able 98 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: to vote on something that would you know, have an 99 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: actual effect on an individual. 100 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 6: The last life Government's Review of Local Government recommended that 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 6: all local government go to fifty to fifty co governments. 102 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 4: You had a billing, but. 103 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: That it didn't wasn't happening, was it? 104 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it was a very but the fact that, yeah, 105 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: this was recommended by a body set up by the 106 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: other They introduced the bill in to Parliament to bring 107 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: that in for Rocha Rua. They backed down because there 108 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 4: was enough noise, but it meant there's MPs there who 109 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 4: don't believe in the colleague of all. 110 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 2: Right, we have to go to a break. I'm about 111 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 2: to be in big trouble apparently, so I'll quickly go 112 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: to a break and we'll come back with David Farah 113 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: and Ellie Jones the Huddle with. 114 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of your Home. 115 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: It is eleven away from six News Talks. Here'd be 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: David Farah, Keemi Blog and Cary Opolster with me on 117 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: the show, and Ellie Jones read pr Welcome back to 118 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: both of you. Let's move to the greyhound racing. Look, 119 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: I'm surprised, to be honest, to see Winston Peter's the 120 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: Racing Minister stand up and say I am canceling an 121 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: industry with one hundred and fifty million dollars greyhound racing. 122 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 2: It's going to be phased in over twenty months. What 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: did you make of that, David. 124 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 6: I'm amazingly good and very surprising because Winston has been 125 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 6: seeing very much as yo, this is what we want. 126 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 6: How high he is clearly the most pro racing MP 127 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 6: in Parliament. 128 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: He always asks me racing minute. 129 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: We might have dropped to David off there, Ellie, are 130 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: you there with him? 131 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: Here? 132 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: There we go? I am, Do you agree with David? 133 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: Because I mean you see him as the czar of racing, really, 134 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: don't you? And here he is, ye taking the boot 135 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: to part of his of the own industry. 136 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: Well. 137 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: To be honest, I'm a huge greyhound fan and so 138 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 5: I don't care whether this is surprising or something that 139 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 5: people weren't expecting from Winston and I. 140 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: Who were your comments earlier? 141 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 4: Ryan? 142 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You 143 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: see what I did there. 144 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 5: I don't think this is about what happens on the track, 145 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 5: both with the greyhounds and the horses. I've heard you're Harrison's. 146 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 5: I think there, it's what happens off the track. You know, 147 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 5: there are dogs that are disappearing. You can't make fifty 148 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 5: horses disappear. There are some owners that have got hundreds 149 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: and hundreds of dogs and if they don't run then 150 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 5: they call them. 151 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: So I think I did hear Peters refer to that. 152 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 5: I think that's the difference here between greyhound racing and 153 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: horse racing. 154 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: Did you say you're into greyhound racing? 155 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: Oh? 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: No, into greyhounds? We yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've had 157 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 3: No I'm. 158 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: Not this is this is not what I expected from No. 159 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: No, we adopt them. 160 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 5: So our last one, Billy, died in February at the 161 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 5: age of ten. 162 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 2: Sorry, no, I was really really early. Honestly, I had 163 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: you down at the tab, I had you track racing on. 164 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 5: I don't even go to cap Dave Ryan, No, it's 165 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: not it's not me. 166 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: Hey, just before we go cash, I think we've got 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: David fairback with us. David the cash thing. So the 168 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: Reserve banks is they're going to bring in and they 169 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: the most feedback the Reserve Bank has ever had on 170 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: anything they've taken to the public. Eighty four percent of 171 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: us want to keep physical cash because safety a security 172 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: rather privacy. We don't want people knowing what we're spending 173 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: our money on. Isn't that interesting? 174 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, as a security blank out, I think most people 175 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: will be like me. I pay cash once or twice 176 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 4: a year only if I have to. But people like 177 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: the idea that if there's a problem they can pull 178 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 4: the cash out of a bank, they can stick it 179 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: under their bed. Etc. The thought of like all your 180 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: wealth is tied up in a digital currency which might 181 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 4: be could be hacked, etc. I think is definitely a factor. 182 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: Ellie, what about you. I suppose you need your cash 183 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: for your tab bets? 184 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,359 Speaker 5: No, No, it's all done online, right, and all done online. 185 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 5: I do actually carry cash around with me, and the 186 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 5: reason I do, and I use it maybe two to 187 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 5: three times a week, is that I will not I 188 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 5: refuse to pay the surcharge on payWave cards to access 189 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 5: my own money. So you know, when I got to 190 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: pay for something and they say that's an extra dollar fifty, Gosh, 191 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: that makes me sound really petty, but I refuse to 192 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: hand more money to the banks who are already making 193 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 5: huge profits from us. 194 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: So I will use my cash if there's a surcharge 195 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: on something for my card. So that's the reason I 196 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: do it. Do people really still stick money under their mattresses? Statement? 197 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: Do you think that's a thing? Are not that many? 198 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: But there are definitely still people who don't trust the banks, 199 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 4: you know, and with. 200 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 2: Them, oh totally. And at eighty four percent of the 201 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: people who submitted on this set actually privacy knowing no 202 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: one else knowing what I'm doing with my money is 203 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: the most important factor. 204 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: Guys think, what are they spending it on? 205 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 6: There? 206 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: That makes me really curious? 207 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: Terrorism, you know, prostitutes and drugs. 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