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Speaker 2: Edb counter Good afternoon, Welcome into the Saturday edition of

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport on News Talks edb Bledislow Cup Day, September

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Happy birthday to the All Blacks all time

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Speaker 2: leading Test tri scorer Doug Howlett forty nine in his

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Speaker 2: sixty two Test matches, eight of those tries against the Wallabies,

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Speaker 2: more than he scored against anybody else, including a hat

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Speaker 2: trick at Eden Park in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: Have a chance, they give him out and he's going

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Speaker 3: to get a hat check the All Blacks stretch.

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Speaker 2: It out again twenty five game All Blacks loose Fort.

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Speaker 2: Paul Henderson also having a birthday today, as is the

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Speaker 2: old Sport Breakfast host and our voice of Motorsport here

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Speaker 2: on News Talks. He'd be Brian Kelly. Have a great day, BK.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine, Mark Kelly's show producer. Today we are

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Speaker 2: with you until three o'clock this afternoon. Lots of Bledislow

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Speaker 2: Cup chat this afternoon for you after one. A true

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Speaker 2: Wallaby's legend is with US eighty six Test outside back

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Speaker 2: Joe roth Is on the show these days. He is

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Speaker 2: President of Rugby Australia. Looking forward to chatting to Joe

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Speaker 2: Roff about some of the ding dong battles he used

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Speaker 2: to have with the All Blacks. We lead off shortly

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Speaker 2: with sixty one game former All Blacks loose Ford Mike Brewer.

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Speaker 2: Our commentator Elliott Smith on the show as well. But

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Speaker 2: it's your calls and predictions. I want to hear most

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Speaker 2: of all lines open immediately and right across the afternoon,

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Speaker 2: anything that jumps into your mind regarding the Bledisloe Cup,

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Speaker 2: other matters around today. Confirmation this week that the Commonwealth

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Speaker 2: Games will go ahead in twenty twenty six in Glasgow,

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Speaker 2: but it'll be a scaled down event. Are reported ten

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Speaker 2: sports compared to nearly twice that many in Birmingham two

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Speaker 2: years ago. How important is it that netball makes the cut?

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Speaker 2: Silver Firn's coach Dame Noline Todoor with US after two.

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Speaker 2: The new Australian National Basketball League season underway this weekend.

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Speaker 2: The Breakers play the Brisbane Bullets tonight. Ten new faces

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Speaker 2: on the Breaker is roster and a new head coach,

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Speaker 2: but Parker Jackson cartrders back. He's with us this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: And this weekend the wheel Blacks are celebrating the twentieth

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Speaker 2: anniversary of their gold medal winning success and wheelchair rugby

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Speaker 2: at the Athens Paralympics in two thousand and four. Coach

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Speaker 2: of that team was Grant Sharman. He's part of the

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Speaker 2: festivities this weekend. He's going to join us to reminisce

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Speaker 2: a bit as well. Australian correspondent Adam Peacocks had a

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Speaker 2: wee break but he makes his return around one forty

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Speaker 2: five with Sporting matters from Across the Ditch. A big

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Speaker 2: weekend in Sydney, Bleed, us Low Cup, NRL and AFL

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Speaker 2: all happening in Sydney Town. So we'll talk to Adam

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Speaker 2: Peacock about that. Live sport this afternoon. Round seven of

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Speaker 2: NPC Rugby, Northland, North Harbor and Fangaday from five I've

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Speaker 2: five past two and Heartland Championship rugby matches in Graymouth,

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Speaker 2: oh Amadu, Gisbon, Fonamatar and fong Lanui. We will keep

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Speaker 2: eyes on all of those matches for you, but as

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Speaker 2: Let us low one five forty five This afternoon full

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Speaker 2: live commentary here on News Talks EDB. We'll build up

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Speaker 2: after the five o'clock News to kick off at five

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Speaker 2: forty five. Elliott Smith has the call. Mike Brewer was

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Speaker 2: one of New Zealand's best loose forwards between the mid

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Speaker 4: They got himself quite cruel, lovely run.

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Speaker 3: Tone dry what a sept piece of rugby skill.

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Speaker 2: Mike Brower played sixty one times for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 2: Thirty two of those were Test matches, a dozen of

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Speaker 2: for taking the time. Let's start with a broad question.

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Speaker 2: How have you rated the All Blacks performances so far

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Speaker 6: Relatively consistent. I still think they're trying to find their

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Speaker 6: You'd have to call it positive as the style of play.

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Speaker 2: How long should it take for them to adapt to

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Speaker 6: Two games at that level?

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Speaker 6: One of the one of the things that I was

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Speaker 2: Just expand on that for us. So we've seen the

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Speaker 2: Do you believe there's a lack of trust in those

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Speaker 6: Well, it was obvious pointy in the first what we

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Speaker 6: and I just think it's it's it's naive to go

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess in that Test match as well, Sam

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Speaker 6: They shouldn't be In reality, what it's telling you, what

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Speaker 6: Well, we played in the amateur day's binny, but we

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Speaker 6: They're number one. They're fantastic team. And for me that

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Speaker 1: One, crutch Hold Engage Weekends fort with Jason pay and GJ.

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Speaker 2: News talks to me twelve thirty. Lots of feedback about

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Speaker 2: Mike Bruer. Yeah, he's an intelligent guy, isn't He speaks

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Speaker 2: Hello Jamie, okay, pony, how are you going very well? Jamie,

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling very pretty confident. Just the main point of

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Speaker 7: twenty minutes ago also, but yeah, I mean yes, it's

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Speaker 7: a yes, yeah, we need to be smarter at our

430
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Speaker 7: loser bention. Hopefully they would have the coaching staff would have,

431
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Speaker 7: you know, would have learned from those two losses and

432
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Speaker 7: put into your start to implement play on how to

433
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Speaker 7: use the bench better.

434
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Speaker 2: What do you think of the South African trend recently

435
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Speaker 2: Jamie of bringing on a whole bunch of guys all

436
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Speaker 2: at the same time, so not just two or three,

437
00:23:34,187 --> 00:23:36,507
Speaker 2: but actually I think it was where was it where

438
00:23:36,547 --> 00:23:39,707
Speaker 2: they brought on four or five at the same time.

439
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Speaker 2: What do you make of that approach?

440
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Speaker 7: Well, I guess that they're allowed to, so yep, yep,

441
00:23:46,587 --> 00:23:51,067
Speaker 7: good on them. It's I think in that first game

442
00:23:51,107 --> 00:23:55,067
Speaker 7: it didn't have an immediate impact, but WinCE when the

443
00:23:55,147 --> 00:23:58,267
Speaker 7: first game in joe Burg, it definitely didn't have an

444
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Speaker 7: immediate impact. But it as soon as the half won

445
00:24:01,387 --> 00:24:03,907
Speaker 7: and they gone into the game, that's when they obviously

446
00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:07,747
Speaker 7: started scoring all those points. And I don't know if

447
00:24:07,747 --> 00:24:12,227
Speaker 7: it should be if the will makers should look into

448
00:24:12,267 --> 00:24:16,667
Speaker 7: it or not, but it's it's certainly worked well for them.

449
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Speaker 2: Look, I've got no issue with it because of it

450
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Speaker 2: within the rules, Jamie. As you say, I wouldn't need

451
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Speaker 2: to see it change. I just think it's a very

452
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Speaker 2: innovative use of the rules. Hey, like you, Jamie, I'll

453
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Speaker 2: be looking forward to seeing how the benches used tonight.

454
00:24:29,267 --> 00:24:33,867
Speaker 2: Amuwa Williams, Tossy Dowry, Jacobson the Ford reserve tonight with Petanola,

455
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Speaker 2: len Up Brown and Reese h the back line impact

456
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Speaker 2: plays good to Jet Jamie. Let's do it again, John, Hi, mate,

457
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Speaker 2: get our hate doing Piney very well, John, what's on

458
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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 9: Well, I was just thinking, you know, when a Razor

460
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Speaker 9: was first appointed, or when we knew that he was

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Speaker 9: going to get a point, I think a lot of

462
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Speaker 9: he was a really excited him because I think he

463
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Speaker 9: was going to bring something new and he had a

464
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Speaker 9: very different approach to the same or same world with

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Speaker 9: the old well coaching staff. And then I think what

466
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Speaker 9: we're seen is I don't think we're seen any change

467
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Speaker 9: at all, like new style and play. I don't know

468
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:14,747
Speaker 9: about you, but it all just seems very much the

469
00:25:14,787 --> 00:25:18,507
Speaker 9: same and really kind of seems like it had a

470
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Speaker 9: more negative impact if you hadn't made those changes, because

471
00:25:22,307 --> 00:25:24,187
Speaker 9: we used to close out games in the last twenty

472
00:25:24,187 --> 00:25:26,747
Speaker 9: we're in the torres for that, but now we're getting

473
00:25:26,787 --> 00:25:31,267
Speaker 9: snuffed out in the last twenty minutes. So it's it's

474
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Speaker 9: hard to see what changes he's made, and it always

475
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Speaker 9: begs the question the players reacting positively to those changes

476
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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 2: John. It's a great point, mate, and it's one I've

478
00:25:45,387 --> 00:25:48,147
Speaker 2: chatted a lot with Elliot Smith, our rugby commentator, about

479
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,387
Speaker 2: is that it's almost as though he's still finding out

480
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Speaker 2: how to be an All Blacks coach. We know how

481
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Speaker 2: good he was at the Crusader's right, and a week in,

482
00:25:55,267 --> 00:25:58,467
Speaker 2: week out competition, we're actually you could afford to lose

483
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Speaker 2: the odd game here and there have an odd half,

484
00:26:01,467 --> 00:26:03,827
Speaker 2: you know, rest some players rotates and players as long

485
00:26:03,827 --> 00:26:05,867
Speaker 2: as you made it into the knockout stages and then

486
00:26:06,067 --> 00:26:08,827
Speaker 2: there has just beat everybody. It's very different being an

487
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Speaker 2: All Blacks coach. And I expected him, like you, I

488
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Speaker 2: expected him to be a bit more innovative in selection,

489
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Speaker 2: particularly because and I wonder whether the fact that they've

490
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Speaker 2: lost a few games has meant that he's kind of

491
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Speaker 2: had to lean on the older heads a bit to

492
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Speaker 2: try and write the ship rather than throw guys in

493
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Speaker 2: like Billy Proct like Ruben Love is injured at the

494
00:26:27,347 --> 00:26:31,147
Speaker 2: moment obviously. George Bell Pasilio TOSSI Noah, hope them even

495
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Speaker 2: give guys a crack, find out what they've got at

496
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Speaker 2: test level. He hasn't, for whatever reason, been able to

497
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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's feeling the pressure now at international

499
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Speaker 9: rugby by losing those couple of games. I think he

500
00:26:44,387 --> 00:26:48,267
Speaker 9: was with so much successful the Crusaders. He had a

501
00:26:48,267 --> 00:26:51,187
Speaker 9: lot more confidence than they knew exactly what he was doing.

502
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Speaker 9: But I think going into the coaching group, you've got

503
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Speaker 9: other people there that, Okay, this is the way we've

504
00:26:57,747 --> 00:27:00,187
Speaker 9: always done it, we'll been so successful at it, and

505
00:27:00,227 --> 00:27:05,347
Speaker 9: he's jumped into that sort of environment and I don't

506
00:27:05,387 --> 00:27:08,627
Speaker 9: think it's worked him with his approach. I think these

507
00:27:08,667 --> 00:27:10,827
Speaker 9: other people in the background that are this is how

508
00:27:10,867 --> 00:27:15,707
Speaker 9: we're going to play, and I think, yeah, like I said,

509
00:27:15,707 --> 00:27:18,547
Speaker 9: for those a few losses, now he's resorted and now

510
00:27:18,587 --> 00:27:20,507
Speaker 9: he's been conservative, and you can you can see in

511
00:27:20,547 --> 00:27:22,867
Speaker 9: those selections as well, he hasn't made how any changes.

512
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Speaker 9: I still like that he's picked the tt on because

513
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Speaker 9: I think he's a very much confidence player and he's

514
00:27:28,987 --> 00:27:32,587
Speaker 9: only going to grow. So but Damian mc kinsey, I

515
00:27:32,627 --> 00:27:35,267
Speaker 9: think he's given them the keys to the kingdom, and

516
00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:37,467
Speaker 9: I like that he's like, right, you're our first five

517
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Speaker 9: have a crack. And again it's like if you took

518
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Speaker 9: him off or you switched up the first five position,

519
00:27:43,787 --> 00:27:48,387
Speaker 9: then his confidence is going to diminute. So yeah, it's

520
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Speaker 9: it's an interesting I would love to know. I'd love

521
00:27:50,707 --> 00:27:53,747
Speaker 9: to be in the fight the wall with those meetings

522
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Speaker 9: and what they talk about with their selections.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some astudent observations, John, Thanks mate. Yeah, look, I

524
00:27:59,987 --> 00:28:02,507
Speaker 2: like you have have I love to be in there

525
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,427
Speaker 2: as well. You have to assume Race has got the

526
00:28:04,427 --> 00:28:07,187
Speaker 2: final say, right, he's the head coach, so you know

527
00:28:07,347 --> 00:28:10,627
Speaker 2: when push comes to shove there's a selection disagreement, then

528
00:28:10,627 --> 00:28:13,667
Speaker 2: he has the final say. But yeah, you're right, I

529
00:28:13,667 --> 00:28:16,507
Speaker 2: mean great, great way of putting it. Damien McKenzie has

530
00:28:16,547 --> 00:28:18,867
Speaker 2: been given the keys to the Kingdom his eighth straight

531
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Speaker 2: start tonight. Only Guadi Savia has started every other test

532
00:28:21,987 --> 00:28:23,467
Speaker 2: or every test of the year. He's the only other

533
00:28:23,467 --> 00:28:28,867
Speaker 2: player who has just McKenzie and Savia, Jordi Barrett and

534
00:28:28,907 --> 00:28:31,147
Speaker 2: two poor Vati along with Boden Barrett. Those guys have

535
00:28:31,547 --> 00:28:35,667
Speaker 2: been in all eight match day squads, but just Savia

536
00:28:35,667 --> 00:28:40,507
Speaker 2: and McKenzie have started every game. Yeah, really interesting points

537
00:28:40,547 --> 00:28:42,307
Speaker 2: you make, John, Thanks for calling through and making the

538
00:28:42,347 --> 00:28:46,067
Speaker 2: mate enjoy the game tonight. Tell you what raises und appressure.

539
00:28:46,187 --> 00:28:47,947
Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to lose tonight. I'll tell you that

540
00:28:47,987 --> 00:28:49,627
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to You wouldn't want to lose against

541
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Speaker 2: Australia tonight how are you, Peach. Do you think we'll

542
00:28:51,787 --> 00:28:52,307
Speaker 2: lose tonight?

543
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Speaker 10: No?

544
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Speaker 11: No, I don't think we will. But Raisers definitely under

545
00:28:56,947 --> 00:28:59,187
Speaker 11: pressure and he won't be breakdowns in any time soon.

546
00:29:01,027 --> 00:29:04,627
Speaker 11: Two great amazing points, both of those guys, especially John.

547
00:29:05,147 --> 00:29:07,387
Speaker 11: I was going to touch on, why the hell would

548
00:29:07,427 --> 00:29:12,667
Speaker 11: you take a tremendously on board on fire player like

549
00:29:12,747 --> 00:29:15,507
Speaker 11: Cody Taylor off anyway if it's not some sort of

550
00:29:15,827 --> 00:29:19,187
Speaker 11: stupid formula. So that's the big thing that I take

551
00:29:19,227 --> 00:29:21,787
Speaker 11: out of the first guy, and the second one is

552
00:29:22,387 --> 00:29:26,947
Speaker 11: that's just amazing I think I think personally is it

553
00:29:27,027 --> 00:29:31,787
Speaker 11: my personal opinion, I think Leon McDonald was really the

554
00:29:31,907 --> 00:29:34,587
Speaker 11: rising coach of New Zealand. Raises a great coach, we

555
00:29:34,707 --> 00:29:38,827
Speaker 11: know that. I think that clash between Leon McDonald and

556
00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:43,427
Speaker 11: Raiser is costing big time in the All Black Backs.

557
00:29:44,387 --> 00:29:46,747
Speaker 11: He did take them to the Super New Zealand Super

558
00:29:47,187 --> 00:29:50,827
Speaker 11: Final and one I think there's a lot more behind

559
00:29:50,907 --> 00:29:54,787
Speaker 11: that with Leon. I think Leon is more innovative and

560
00:29:55,147 --> 00:29:58,507
Speaker 11: very very clued up with the players in the back line,

561
00:29:58,547 --> 00:30:05,707
Speaker 11: and South Africa dominated or destroyed Raise a strategy in

562
00:30:05,747 --> 00:30:11,627
Speaker 11: that last in the first loss test with with their

563
00:30:11,827 --> 00:30:14,427
Speaker 11: you know they've got a great coach in Razzie Erasmus,

564
00:30:14,427 --> 00:30:18,067
Speaker 11: so he's sort of read right into that area. And also,

565
00:30:18,187 --> 00:30:21,827
Speaker 11: just to leave on this note, raises under tremendous pressure

566
00:30:21,867 --> 00:30:25,467
Speaker 11: because he's not the innovator that we all thought and

567
00:30:25,547 --> 00:30:29,307
Speaker 11: John touched on that beautifully. The last point I'd make

568
00:30:30,227 --> 00:30:35,827
Speaker 11: is the whole area of South Africa's thought pattern with

569
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Speaker 11: a great coach rasidmessis bringing on an eight guys. That's

570
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Speaker 11: a great thing. When they started doing that, you know,

571
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:43,547
Speaker 11: the power team, the whole bloody forward pack or whatever.

572
00:30:44,067 --> 00:30:47,907
Speaker 11: That's innovative. So I leave on that note, mate, he's

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Speaker 11: at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pete, got on you mate again, great points well mate,

575
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Speaker 2: you have had some good callers already today. I think

576
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Speaker 2: we underestimate the difference between being a super coach and

577
00:31:00,987 --> 00:31:06,187
Speaker 2: being a test coach. They are so different. Raser had

578
00:31:06,187 --> 00:31:08,707
Speaker 2: the had the with all the super rugby coaches that

579
00:31:08,827 --> 00:31:12,387
Speaker 2: had had the benefit of having their team together from

580
00:31:12,627 --> 00:31:16,467
Speaker 2: late November through until May. Pretty much you see you

581
00:31:16,547 --> 00:31:19,587
Speaker 2: guys every single day. You imprint a game plan, you

582
00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:21,467
Speaker 2: get to know them, you get to know which buttons

583
00:31:21,467 --> 00:31:24,227
Speaker 2: to push as a super coach. As an all blacks coach,

584
00:31:24,267 --> 00:31:28,027
Speaker 2: you don't get that you don't get your guys every week.

585
00:31:28,947 --> 00:31:30,867
Speaker 2: You get them four a couple of weeks here and

586
00:31:30,907 --> 00:31:33,667
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks there through the super season. They

587
00:31:33,707 --> 00:31:37,187
Speaker 2: are so drilled by their own super coaches that when

588
00:31:37,227 --> 00:31:39,667
Speaker 2: they come into an All Blacks environment, particularly under a

589
00:31:39,707 --> 00:31:42,227
Speaker 2: new head coach, it is going to be a bit clunky.

590
00:31:42,587 --> 00:31:44,147
Speaker 2: It is going to take a bit of time, just

591
00:31:44,187 --> 00:31:46,147
Speaker 2: a word. Vern Kott, of course took the Blues to

592
00:31:46,187 --> 00:31:48,667
Speaker 2: that supertitle. Pete, I know you knew that, but yeah,

593
00:31:48,747 --> 00:31:50,587
Speaker 2: Leo McDonald played a big part in it as well.

594
00:31:50,667 --> 00:31:54,667
Speaker 2: Obviously nineteen away from one board starting to fill up.

595
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Speaker 2: As I knew eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll

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Speaker 2: come back in a moment with more calls right after

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Speaker 2: this on Weekend Sportback soon you be the TMO.

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Speaker 1: Have your say, one eighty eight Weekends Sport with Jason

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Speaker 1: Pin and GJ. Jubnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

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Speaker 2: Dogs Quarter to one. Jordan says Piney is a casual

601
00:32:16,707 --> 00:32:19,107
Speaker 2: rugby fan, but always an All Black supporter. Jeez, Mike

602
00:32:19,147 --> 00:32:20,987
Speaker 2: spoke to everything I see in that team and have

603
00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,027
Speaker 2: seen as issues in our last few games. Great thoughts

604
00:32:24,027 --> 00:32:27,707
Speaker 2: from Mike Brewer. Yeah, totally agree, Jordan. He's he's very incisive,

605
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Speaker 2: isn't he? Mike Brewer with his thoughts. Thanks for holding George.

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Speaker 12: How are you no promise?

607
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Speaker 13: Piney? Hey, loyal listener here, I've got two really quick

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Speaker 13: points if I.

609
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Speaker 2: May please, Yeah, go for it.

610
00:32:36,747 --> 00:32:39,467
Speaker 13: Go for the first point that the aura and the

611
00:32:39,547 --> 00:32:42,667
Speaker 13: language we use as you alluded to it and Mike brooded.

612
00:32:42,747 --> 00:32:45,147
Speaker 13: I thought Mike brew was spot on. And and I

613
00:32:45,267 --> 00:32:47,187
Speaker 13: definitely take your point around are we trying to be

614
00:32:47,627 --> 00:32:49,987
Speaker 13: humble in our in our use of language? But I

615
00:32:49,987 --> 00:32:52,347
Speaker 13: think we have gone too far down the sliding scale

616
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:55,707
Speaker 13: of being very complimentary over that that tour over in Africa,

617
00:32:55,747 --> 00:32:59,467
Speaker 13: I heard a lot of language around so Africa champions

618
00:32:59,467 --> 00:33:01,867
Speaker 13: of the World, and they're that for reason, the fantastic team.

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Speaker 13: The reality is we were one point away from being

620
00:33:04,627 --> 00:33:07,227
Speaker 13: in that exact same position, and indeed the spring Bots

621
00:33:07,267 --> 00:33:10,147
Speaker 13: were one point away from being referred to as as

622
00:33:11,067 --> 00:33:14,747
Speaker 13: Bugy World Cup lost quarter finalists. So yes, yes, things

623
00:33:14,787 --> 00:33:17,867
Speaker 13: like this can get psychological. And you know the language

624
00:33:17,907 --> 00:33:21,627
Speaker 13: you used is that there's a very's a very clear

625
00:33:21,627 --> 00:33:24,587
Speaker 13: difference between confidence and arrogance, and and and I think

626
00:33:24,587 --> 00:33:27,627
Speaker 13: we've earned the right to be really confident about ourselves

627
00:33:27,667 --> 00:33:31,027
Speaker 13: and take a step back and not pay too much

628
00:33:31,067 --> 00:33:34,947
Speaker 13: credit because it can become psychological, both for us and

629
00:33:34,987 --> 00:33:38,107
Speaker 13: for the opposition. Who is Mike Brewers so so me

630
00:33:38,147 --> 00:33:40,227
Speaker 13: put it around, A team like Africa will just grow

631
00:33:40,267 --> 00:33:43,227
Speaker 13: in confidence when they when they hear themselves being referred to.

632
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Speaker 2: Like that by the by the kiwis George bang On

633
00:33:46,907 --> 00:33:49,027
Speaker 2: absolutely right, and Mike knew a lot about the South

634
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:52,467
Speaker 2: African psyche and and clearly they you know, they knew

635
00:33:52,467 --> 00:33:55,547
Speaker 2: back then that any any little scaic of confidence you

636
00:33:55,587 --> 00:33:57,947
Speaker 2: gave them will be picked up on and run with.

637
00:33:57,987 --> 00:34:00,627
Speaker 2: And you're so right. I wonder whether the All Blacks

638
00:34:00,627 --> 00:34:02,067
Speaker 2: are just trying to be a little bit like the

639
00:34:02,067 --> 00:34:04,307
Speaker 2: Black Caps, you know, just you know, just to what

640
00:34:04,387 --> 00:34:05,867
Speaker 2: they want to be known as the nice guys of

641
00:34:06,107 --> 00:34:09,227
Speaker 2: world rugby, which which in itself is not a bad philosophy.

642
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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure whin your test matches.

643
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Speaker 13: No, when a natural fact we and we do it

644
00:34:13,307 --> 00:34:15,267
Speaker 13: in our own way obviously as kiwis, but we should

645
00:34:15,267 --> 00:34:17,867
Speaker 13: be a bit more like the Australian cricket team, where

646
00:34:18,067 --> 00:34:19,827
Speaker 13: you know, for me, they are the epitome of that early

647
00:34:19,827 --> 00:34:22,627
Speaker 13: two thousand team. They were they were ruthless and the

648
00:34:22,707 --> 00:34:24,947
Speaker 13: way they went about their cricket. I'm not saying that's

649
00:34:24,987 --> 00:34:26,947
Speaker 13: how we approach rugby, but we we've carved out of

650
00:34:27,027 --> 00:34:31,507
Speaker 13: dynasty and we deservedly so are revered from from that point.

651
00:34:31,507 --> 00:34:34,067
Speaker 13: So I do think it's a you know, it needs

652
00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:37,627
Speaker 13: to be sort of referred to both around the coaches,

653
00:34:37,867 --> 00:34:39,747
Speaker 13: their use of language, because we are sort of tend

654
00:34:39,747 --> 00:34:42,467
Speaker 13: to paying teams too much respect and it can be

655
00:34:43,027 --> 00:34:45,187
Speaker 13: it can we're off hey the other really quick one mate.

656
00:34:45,267 --> 00:34:47,947
Speaker 13: It's just Wallace the TC at six. There's been a

657
00:34:47,947 --> 00:34:50,067
Speaker 13: lot of talk about that and is the six of

658
00:34:50,107 --> 00:34:51,987
Speaker 13: the year? Eighth is at the right place for him.

659
00:34:51,987 --> 00:34:54,947
Speaker 13: But you know, my observations always appoint to history. But

660
00:34:55,947 --> 00:34:59,387
Speaker 13: Karen Reid and Adisavi they kind of graduated into that eight,

661
00:34:59,467 --> 00:35:03,107
Speaker 13: Jersey through the number six almost did their apprenticeship there

662
00:35:03,107 --> 00:35:06,347
Speaker 13: in the early years, and then going the other way. Jerome,

663
00:35:06,467 --> 00:35:12,307
Speaker 13: I know, and Jerry Collins were obviously characters who started

664
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Speaker 13: out their careers in the early twenties in the number

665
00:35:14,227 --> 00:35:16,867
Speaker 13: eight but founder a more comfortable home in number six.

666
00:35:16,907 --> 00:35:19,187
Speaker 13: So you know, I think I'm really really relaxed about

667
00:35:19,547 --> 00:35:21,867
Speaker 13: him being at six. He's obviously a talent and someone

668
00:35:21,867 --> 00:35:25,187
Speaker 13: who's probably going to wear that black jersey for a

669
00:35:25,187 --> 00:35:26,707
Speaker 13: lot of years to come. And the more he can

670
00:35:26,827 --> 00:35:30,187
Speaker 13: kind of do as apprenticeship under Ardie, the better it

671
00:35:30,267 --> 00:35:32,187
Speaker 13: is for the team. So I think it's just as

672
00:35:32,187 --> 00:35:34,267
Speaker 13: long as he's out on the field and in getting

673
00:35:34,267 --> 00:35:35,787
Speaker 13: confidence and that's the main thing.

674
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, George, two great points, mate, well made.

675
00:35:39,427 --> 00:35:39,627
Speaker 6: Yeah.

676
00:35:39,667 --> 00:35:42,347
Speaker 2: I think Satiti Kane Savia I quite like the trio

677
00:35:42,587 --> 00:35:44,707
Speaker 2: and it probably doesn't matter too much what numbers they've

678
00:35:44,747 --> 00:35:49,227
Speaker 2: got on, does it. Artie Savez doesn't play well, he

679
00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:52,627
Speaker 2: just plays like Ardie Savier. You could chuck four on

680
00:35:52,707 --> 00:35:55,187
Speaker 2: them or two or whatever you like. I know it's

681
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:57,267
Speaker 2: a bit different with positions and scrums and things like that,

682
00:35:57,307 --> 00:35:59,747
Speaker 2: but I hope you get my point. It might not

683
00:35:59,867 --> 00:36:02,627
Speaker 2: really matter to what a Titi what number he has on. Yes,

684
00:36:02,787 --> 00:36:05,507
Speaker 2: he's got a different role as a blind side flanket

685
00:36:05,507 --> 00:36:08,387
Speaker 2: as he does as a number of course, but as

686
00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:12,067
Speaker 2: George quite rightly pointed out, the fact he's out there

687
00:36:12,187 --> 00:36:14,427
Speaker 2: is the thing, and who knows what that might grow

688
00:36:14,507 --> 00:36:17,307
Speaker 2: him into, hopefully to the height of his potential, which

689
00:36:17,307 --> 00:36:22,267
Speaker 2: I feel is extremely high. How are you Chris can everybody?

690
00:36:24,067 --> 00:36:26,707
Speaker 2: Oh look, I'm just trying to pass the time. What

691
00:36:26,787 --> 00:36:28,667
Speaker 2: have we got another five hours to kick off?

692
00:36:28,707 --> 00:36:28,867
Speaker 10: Mate?

693
00:36:28,867 --> 00:36:30,147
Speaker 2: How are you feeling? Are you confident?

694
00:36:31,227 --> 00:36:34,787
Speaker 12: Oh? I'm going from got down to the then I'll

695
00:36:34,827 --> 00:36:38,107
Speaker 12: go two hours and five minute train. Good dropping her

696
00:36:38,347 --> 00:36:42,827
Speaker 12: off halfway pre load.

697
00:36:43,547 --> 00:36:46,147
Speaker 2: No, No, you're talking a language. You're talking of a language.

698
00:36:47,107 --> 00:36:51,107
Speaker 12: Yeah, nobody likes paying ten plus for a bed in

699
00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:54,147
Speaker 12: a plastic cup. So do that catch up with some

700
00:36:54,387 --> 00:36:57,587
Speaker 12: you know? That's that's that's a mazing point. And the wife,

701
00:36:57,987 --> 00:37:02,307
Speaker 12: she's sort of Wallaby jersey. She's trying what yes, yes,

702
00:37:02,507 --> 00:37:04,467
Speaker 12: I was going to train wife. So she she said,

703
00:37:04,507 --> 00:37:06,227
Speaker 12: does this look good? And she came out and mill

704
00:37:06,387 --> 00:37:10,267
Speaker 12: at good, I'm wearing this. I was like, why, she goes,

705
00:37:10,387 --> 00:37:12,867
Speaker 12: I don't know who the players from the wall of these,

706
00:37:13,227 --> 00:37:15,067
Speaker 12: but I know the all blacks players. All right, you

707
00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:17,067
Speaker 12: can wear that. Now I'm going to tuck on my

708
00:37:17,827 --> 00:37:20,987
Speaker 12: imitation version of the Originals.

709
00:37:20,427 --> 00:37:24,227
Speaker 4: Jersey, which is really thick and wool.

710
00:37:25,787 --> 00:37:28,667
Speaker 12: It's going to be interesting in the nice, funny day

711
00:37:28,747 --> 00:37:30,107
Speaker 12: that is in here in Sydney.

712
00:37:31,387 --> 00:37:33,187
Speaker 2: You'll be nice and one. But I don't I don't

713
00:37:33,187 --> 00:37:34,827
Speaker 2: mind that from you. I don't mind that from your wife.

714
00:37:34,827 --> 00:37:37,467
Speaker 2: You've obviously chatted so often to her about the players

715
00:37:37,627 --> 00:37:40,267
Speaker 2: that she's kind of almost taken them on board by osmosis.

716
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Speaker 12: Well, she's because I only watched the All Blacks games,

717
00:37:43,947 --> 00:37:45,747
Speaker 12: so she knows the All Black teams, but she doesn't

718
00:37:45,787 --> 00:37:49,427
Speaker 12: even know her own team, not one player. And the

719
00:37:49,867 --> 00:37:53,507
Speaker 12: crack up for me is now she's a chameleon. But

720
00:37:53,827 --> 00:37:55,867
Speaker 12: I was also going to say about this test, this

721
00:37:55,947 --> 00:37:58,147
Speaker 12: is a big one for Razor because if we go

722
00:37:58,227 --> 00:38:01,707
Speaker 12: back to New Zealand after a loss to attempt to

723
00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:09,267
Speaker 12: win to retain the cup, that we that'll be wogle

724
00:38:09,347 --> 00:38:11,347
Speaker 12: room for a lot of people to not want them

725
00:38:11,347 --> 00:38:15,667
Speaker 12: there anymore. If we win today, it's ours and next

726
00:38:15,667 --> 00:38:19,467
Speaker 12: week we can finish them because we thought what Argentina

727
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:19,987
Speaker 12: did to them.

728
00:38:20,067 --> 00:38:21,947
Speaker 13: So this is going to.

729
00:38:21,867 --> 00:38:23,707
Speaker 12: Be a I think this is going to be the

730
00:38:23,987 --> 00:38:26,067
Speaker 12: actual test for Raser.

731
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Speaker 2: Chris. I yeah, I'd find myself nodding my head. I mean,

732
00:38:33,507 --> 00:38:36,787
Speaker 2: if you win this afternoon, which they should, all of

733
00:38:36,787 --> 00:38:39,587
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're five from eight, you've got the Bledisloe

734
00:38:39,627 --> 00:38:41,507
Speaker 2: Cup locked up, you've got a bit of freedom. You're

735
00:38:41,547 --> 00:38:43,427
Speaker 2: probably going to win in Wellington, So all of a sudden,

736
00:38:43,507 --> 00:38:46,387
Speaker 2: your season is starting to go back on an upward trajectory.

737
00:38:46,387 --> 00:38:48,587
Speaker 2: Then it's Japan. You win that and you've got go

738
00:38:48,747 --> 00:38:50,787
Speaker 2: but of confidence going into the back end of the year.

739
00:38:51,107 --> 00:38:53,867
Speaker 2: If they were to lose this afternoon, then the weak

740
00:38:53,907 --> 00:38:57,867
Speaker 2: ahead just looks entirely different as they just do whatever

741
00:38:57,907 --> 00:38:59,707
Speaker 2: they have to do to make sure they win in

742
00:38:59,707 --> 00:39:01,507
Speaker 2: Wellington and keep their hands on the blood slope.

743
00:39:02,587 --> 00:39:05,827
Speaker 12: Yeah, and this is going to be And so the

744
00:39:05,867 --> 00:39:09,267
Speaker 12: people who who think, well, we're going to smash them whatever,

745
00:39:09,707 --> 00:39:12,187
Speaker 12: whenever I've said that to someone, the Wallaby's bounce back

746
00:39:12,227 --> 00:39:14,827
Speaker 12: because they've got a good fighting spirit. Yes they lose

747
00:39:14,827 --> 00:39:17,387
Speaker 12: a lot of games and they don't have the record

748
00:39:17,427 --> 00:39:20,547
Speaker 12: of New Zealand and South Africa, but they are twice

749
00:39:20,547 --> 00:39:23,787
Speaker 12: World Cup champions teams and I've got the same sort

750
00:39:23,787 --> 00:39:25,067
Speaker 12: of focus on their professionals.

751
00:39:25,107 --> 00:39:28,027
Speaker 13: So like I wouldn't be.

752
00:39:29,707 --> 00:39:34,347
Speaker 12: So confident I go into this game thinking we're gonna

753
00:39:34,347 --> 00:39:38,107
Speaker 12: win and hoping we're as opposed to telling everyone we're

754
00:39:38,147 --> 00:39:42,587
Speaker 12: gonna mash it because it's at home in Sydney. Yeah,

755
00:39:42,627 --> 00:39:43,467
Speaker 12: they always get up.

756
00:39:43,627 --> 00:39:45,267
Speaker 13: It's a beautiful stadium.

757
00:39:45,707 --> 00:39:47,027
Speaker 12: It's going to be a great game.

758
00:39:48,387 --> 00:39:51,147
Speaker 2: Chris, travel safe, behave yourself and if in doubt listen

759
00:39:51,187 --> 00:39:57,427
Speaker 2: to your wife. All right, I'd never do that. Give

760
00:39:57,507 --> 00:39:59,747
Speaker 2: us the old tomorrow mate, let us know how it wents.

761
00:40:00,227 --> 00:40:02,667
Speaker 2: Can you hear your up close view? Travel safe, Chris,

762
00:40:02,747 --> 00:40:04,347
Speaker 2: good to you. Seven and a half away from one

763
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Speaker 2: us talk to back after.

764
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Speaker 1: This, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

765
00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:12,707
Speaker 1: world to weekends for it with Jason Pie they call

766
00:40:12,987 --> 00:40:15,387
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty and eighty News Talk z MB.

767
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Speaker 2: Four and a half to one arm Man. We've had

768
00:40:18,107 --> 00:40:21,227
Speaker 2: some brilliant calls in the last hour, some great points,

769
00:40:21,347 --> 00:40:23,747
Speaker 2: very well made by all of our callers, and heaps

770
00:40:23,787 --> 00:40:25,627
Speaker 2: on text as well. Although there is a text here

771
00:40:25,627 --> 00:40:27,867
Speaker 2: that says, point you said the nineteen ninety seven all

772
00:40:27,867 --> 00:40:30,267
Speaker 2: blacks were feed. I don't think they were. I think

773
00:40:30,307 --> 00:40:33,307
Speaker 2: they were from memory. I've just looked up their record.

774
00:40:34,307 --> 00:40:38,307
Speaker 2: They gave Argentina a couple of hidings here beat Australia

775
00:40:38,347 --> 00:40:41,147
Speaker 2: in christ Yet South Africa and Joe Burg Australia in Melbourne,

776
00:40:41,187 --> 00:40:44,387
Speaker 2: South Africa, fifty five thirty five back here Australia and

777
00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:46,067
Speaker 2: Duneeda and then when on the end of yet tour

778
00:40:46,507 --> 00:40:49,307
Speaker 2: put sixty on Ireland beat England at Manchester. That was

779
00:40:49,307 --> 00:40:51,427
Speaker 2: when they did the lap of honor after losing the game.

780
00:40:51,467 --> 00:40:54,467
Speaker 2: England beat Wales in London, that was at Wembley forty

781
00:40:54,507 --> 00:40:56,867
Speaker 2: two to seven, and then but for and Andrew Merten's

782
00:40:56,907 --> 00:40:59,027
Speaker 2: drop goal which drifted the wrong side of the posts,

783
00:40:59,187 --> 00:41:01,227
Speaker 2: would have been in England at Twickenham to complete a

784
00:41:01,227 --> 00:41:04,107
Speaker 2: one hundred percent season instead of twenty six all draw

785
00:41:04,147 --> 00:41:08,627
Speaker 2: to finish that ninety seven side was mint and I

786
00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:16,387
Speaker 2: think teams were intimidated by that team. They had an aura.

787
00:41:16,507 --> 00:41:20,307
Speaker 2: After one o'clock, Joe Roff talk about Wallaby's against All

788
00:41:20,347 --> 00:41:22,707
Speaker 2: Blacks and a golden era of Wallaby's rugby back into

789
00:41:22,707 --> 00:41:25,227
Speaker 2: the nineties into the two thousands. Joe Roff on the

790
00:41:25,227 --> 00:41:25,947
Speaker 2: show after.

791
00:41:25,747 --> 00:41:30,787
Speaker 1: One the only place to discuss the biggest FOS issues

792
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:34,587
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on WI James Ford

793
00:41:34,707 --> 00:41:37,227
Speaker 1: with Jason Vane on your Home of.

794
00:41:37,187 --> 00:41:39,907
Speaker 5: Sport US Talks.

795
00:41:41,187 --> 00:41:43,467
Speaker 2: One oh seven. Welcome into the show as we come

796
00:41:43,507 --> 00:41:46,107
Speaker 2: towards led Uslow one for twenty twenty four five forty

797
00:41:46,147 --> 00:41:49,787
Speaker 2: five kickoff at Stadium Australia, a core stadium. I think

798
00:41:49,787 --> 00:41:52,467
Speaker 2: it's called at the moment Stadium Australia as I know it.

799
00:41:53,907 --> 00:41:57,267
Speaker 2: Five forty five build up starts after the five o'clock news. Incidentally,

800
00:41:57,267 --> 00:42:00,947
Speaker 2: we'll build towards kickoff Elliot Smith and Gregor Paul behind

801
00:42:00,987 --> 00:42:04,507
Speaker 2: the mics in Sydney. For US, Joe Roff standing by

802
00:42:04,587 --> 00:42:08,307
Speaker 2: the chat to US President of Rugby Australia. But for

803
00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:10,627
Speaker 2: those who used to watch the All Blacks and the

804
00:42:10,627 --> 00:42:13,627
Speaker 2: Wallabies go at each other and the late nineties and

805
00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:16,027
Speaker 2: into the two thousands, you'll know that Joe Roff was

806
00:42:16,067 --> 00:42:21,907
Speaker 2: part of a sensational Australian side and a particular an

807
00:42:22,067 --> 00:42:26,707
Speaker 2: absolutely terrific backline. Some of those players, my god, And

808
00:42:26,747 --> 00:42:30,227
Speaker 2: from week to week or from match to match between

809
00:42:30,267 --> 00:42:33,867
Speaker 2: the All Blacks and the Wallabies between kind of ninety

810
00:42:33,867 --> 00:42:37,707
Speaker 2: eight and let's say two thousand and two, two thousand

811
00:42:37,747 --> 00:42:41,707
Speaker 2: and three, you never knew really from week to week

812
00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:44,347
Speaker 2: in terms of matches between the two sides who was

813
00:42:44,387 --> 00:42:49,547
Speaker 2: going to win. Joe Roff played seventeen Test matches against

814
00:42:49,547 --> 00:42:54,027
Speaker 2: the All Blacks and was pretty much fifty to fifty,

815
00:42:54,707 --> 00:42:57,307
Speaker 2: which Australian player of the last twenty years can say

816
00:42:57,347 --> 00:43:01,067
Speaker 2: that Joe Roff shortly Adam Peacock is well from Sydney.

817
00:43:01,147 --> 00:43:03,707
Speaker 2: He's our Australian correspondent. Of course he's been away for

818
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:06,827
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but back this afternoon, and not

819
00:43:06,907 --> 00:43:10,827
Speaker 2: only the rugby to talk, but Rugby League AFL and

820
00:43:10,907 --> 00:43:13,867
Speaker 2: also Graham Arnold, the coach of the soccer Rooge yesterday

821
00:43:14,347 --> 00:43:17,387
Speaker 2: resigning from his post. So quite a bit to chat

822
00:43:17,427 --> 00:43:21,187
Speaker 2: with Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent at around one forty five.

823
00:43:21,267 --> 00:43:26,707
Speaker 2: Your texts etc. And your phone calls continue to be welcomed.

824
00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:29,227
Speaker 2: Just on the ninety seven side so much. Just sent

825
00:43:29,267 --> 00:43:32,947
Speaker 2: through the ninety seven side and said, what a side

826
00:43:32,947 --> 00:43:39,987
Speaker 2: it is. Cullen, Wilson, Little Buntz, Lomu, Merton's, Marshall Brown, Fitzpatrick, Dowd,

827
00:43:40,027 --> 00:43:44,107
Speaker 2: Brook Jones, Cronfield, the other Brook Randall. What a team,

828
00:43:44,627 --> 00:43:48,307
Speaker 2: my god, imagine lining up against those guys. Somebody else

829
00:43:48,347 --> 00:43:50,987
Speaker 2: that was pointed out that we we shouldn't forget what

830
00:43:51,027 --> 00:43:54,187
Speaker 2: happened in nineteen ninety eight. To be fair color those guys.

831
00:43:54,227 --> 00:43:57,187
Speaker 2: Some fairly important guys retired after ninety seven, including fitz

832
00:43:57,267 --> 00:44:00,547
Speaker 2: Eat and Frank Bunce. So yeah, the cliff that we

833
00:44:00,587 --> 00:44:03,747
Speaker 2: fell off in nineteen ninety eight was unfortunate, but perhaps

834
00:44:03,827 --> 00:44:08,507
Speaker 2: not to be completely unexpected. Let's continue our build up

835
00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:11,347
Speaker 2: towards the Bledisloe Cup Test this afternoon. It is a

836
00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:14,747
Speaker 2: real pleasure to be joined by a true Wallaby's great

837
00:44:15,067 --> 00:44:17,347
Speaker 2: Joe Roff was one of the stars of a golden

838
00:44:17,387 --> 00:44:20,267
Speaker 2: era in Australian rugby, without doubt one of the best

839
00:44:20,307 --> 00:44:22,947
Speaker 2: wingers in the world, while also being able to play

840
00:44:22,947 --> 00:44:26,227
Speaker 2: in the centers or at fullback if required. Between nineteen

841
00:44:26,307 --> 00:44:29,147
Speaker 2: ninety five and two thousand and four, he played eighty

842
00:44:29,227 --> 00:44:32,867
Speaker 2: six Test matches for Australia, scoring two hundred and forty

843
00:44:32,867 --> 00:44:36,827
Speaker 2: four points. He played in three Rugby World Cups, making

844
00:44:36,827 --> 00:44:39,947
Speaker 2: his Wallaby's debut at the nineteen ninety five tournament, winning

845
00:44:39,987 --> 00:44:42,467
Speaker 2: the World Cup in nineteen ninety nine and coming off

846
00:44:42,507 --> 00:44:45,867
Speaker 2: the bench in the two thousand and three final against England.

847
00:44:46,067 --> 00:44:48,747
Speaker 2: He played against the All Blacks, as I say, seventeen times,

848
00:44:49,107 --> 00:44:52,027
Speaker 2: scoring a try in that iconic match of the century

849
00:44:52,227 --> 00:44:55,667
Speaker 2: in Sydney in two thousand. Plaster up there it is

850
00:44:55,707 --> 00:44:58,787
Speaker 2: to Herban de Sortz Freakan has his hands on it.

851
00:44:59,107 --> 00:45:05,987
Speaker 2: He was tackled Wilkins by the referee and the Bibies internibly,

852
00:45:07,347 --> 00:45:09,107
Speaker 2: and then he also scored in the return match in

853
00:45:09,107 --> 00:45:10,267
Speaker 2: Wellington a few weeks later.

854
00:45:10,507 --> 00:45:14,467
Speaker 3: Layton, who's up in the line, They can elect them.

855
00:45:15,747 --> 00:45:19,987
Speaker 10: Joe, they've got another one.

856
00:45:21,307 --> 00:45:24,067
Speaker 2: The wingers have gone bots now. That was Joe Roff's

857
00:45:24,107 --> 00:45:27,467
Speaker 2: forty seventh consecutive Test match, eclipsing the record set at

858
00:45:27,507 --> 00:45:31,027
Speaker 2: that time by Phil Kerns. After his playing career finished,

859
00:45:31,067 --> 00:45:36,027
Speaker 2: he earned a Masters of Arts, Politics, Philosophy and Economics

860
00:45:36,387 --> 00:45:40,067
Speaker 2: at Oxford University in the UK and has held several

861
00:45:40,187 --> 00:45:43,467
Speaker 2: CEO positions. In April of last year, he was appointed

862
00:45:43,507 --> 00:45:48,467
Speaker 2: President of Rugby Australia and in something of a statistical oddity,

863
00:45:49,027 --> 00:45:52,027
Speaker 2: he lost the first seven Test matches he played against

864
00:45:52,067 --> 00:45:55,107
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, but then won eight of the next ten,

865
00:45:55,627 --> 00:45:57,467
Speaker 2: the last of which was the two thousand and three

866
00:45:57,547 --> 00:46:00,107
Speaker 2: Rugby World Cup semi final. Joe Roff was with us, Jo,

867
00:46:00,147 --> 00:46:02,227
Speaker 2: can we start with that stat Perhaps seven losses in

868
00:46:02,267 --> 00:46:04,947
Speaker 2: your first seven against the All Blacks, then eight wins

869
00:46:04,987 --> 00:46:07,627
Speaker 2: from ten. That sort of take you a little while

870
00:46:07,707 --> 00:46:08,907
Speaker 2: to get the hang of beating us.

871
00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:14,267
Speaker 12: That was one of the nicest introductions I think I've

872
00:46:14,267 --> 00:46:14,667
Speaker 12: ever had.

873
00:46:15,107 --> 00:46:19,827
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a strange old introduction to playing the

874
00:46:19,867 --> 00:46:23,267
Speaker 4: All Blacks. Yeah, I remember we lost and lost and lost,

875
00:46:23,307 --> 00:46:26,947
Speaker 4: and then and then suddenly the damn broke, so to speak,

876
00:46:27,707 --> 00:46:30,667
Speaker 4: and then we had a little bit of success against

877
00:46:30,987 --> 00:46:32,747
Speaker 4: and we had some you know, some of the great

878
00:46:32,867 --> 00:46:36,227
Speaker 4: Ledislow Tests of all time through that period. But I

879
00:46:36,227 --> 00:46:38,587
Speaker 4: think around that time we just had a very balanced

880
00:46:38,627 --> 00:46:42,067
Speaker 4: squad that had a lot of self belief and in

881
00:46:42,067 --> 00:46:47,947
Speaker 4: those eightieth minute turning points, you know, we just we

882
00:46:47,987 --> 00:46:50,907
Speaker 4: won the one point letters loads that Johnny was kicking

883
00:46:50,947 --> 00:46:53,627
Speaker 4: a goal or Toddy Kefu scoring on the bill and

884
00:46:53,787 --> 00:46:56,787
Speaker 4: that was a very special period for the Wallabies. Wallabies

885
00:46:56,827 --> 00:46:57,627
Speaker 4: team around that time.

886
00:46:57,707 --> 00:46:59,187
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a couple of those test

887
00:46:59,187 --> 00:47:02,027
Speaker 2: matches in a moment specifically, but in general terms, Joe,

888
00:47:02,067 --> 00:47:04,787
Speaker 2: how much did you relish locking horns with the All

889
00:47:04,787 --> 00:47:06,307
Speaker 2: Blacks during your time on the side.

890
00:47:07,027 --> 00:47:10,347
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it. It's Blooderslow week is the best

891
00:47:10,387 --> 00:47:12,867
Speaker 4: week in rugby in my view, and it's just so

892
00:47:13,387 --> 00:47:15,947
Speaker 4: very special. Last night, I think if I can just

893
00:47:16,027 --> 00:47:18,347
Speaker 4: rad off some names, we had some we had some

894
00:47:18,387 --> 00:47:23,267
Speaker 4: dinner with with these names. Gregan, Phil Wore, Dian Herbert,

895
00:47:23,547 --> 00:47:27,547
Speaker 4: Matt Cober and Justin Harrison and Justin Marshall joined us

896
00:47:27,587 --> 00:47:30,267
Speaker 4: later on and he's been too, and it's just it's

897
00:47:30,307 --> 00:47:36,067
Speaker 4: such such a special event in rugby, and you know,

898
00:47:36,107 --> 00:47:39,787
Speaker 4: to lockhorns with the or blocks. We were talking last

899
00:47:39,907 --> 00:47:43,867
Speaker 4: night and George and I say, we remember speaking to

900
00:47:43,907 --> 00:47:47,187
Speaker 4: Carlos Spencer once back in nineteen ninety seven. We hadn't beaten,

901
00:47:47,467 --> 00:47:49,587
Speaker 4: as you said, we'd lost and we'd lost and we lost,

902
00:47:50,427 --> 00:47:53,147
Speaker 4: and he just spoke. I think Carlos said something like

903
00:47:53,907 --> 00:47:55,707
Speaker 4: the problem is that you guys don't believe you can

904
00:47:55,747 --> 00:47:59,147
Speaker 4: beat us. And when when someone says that, the George

905
00:47:59,187 --> 00:48:04,107
Speaker 4: Gregan you can see his eyes like narrowing and and

906
00:48:04,147 --> 00:48:08,747
Speaker 4: it became a very intense moment that I removed myself

907
00:48:08,827 --> 00:48:15,787
Speaker 4: very quickly from. But that's the sort of intense competition

908
00:48:15,907 --> 00:48:18,467
Speaker 4: and rivalry, but it's in such good spirit at the

909
00:48:18,507 --> 00:48:21,147
Speaker 4: same time, So, you know, wonderful.

910
00:48:21,507 --> 00:48:21,707
Speaker 5: You know.

911
00:48:21,787 --> 00:48:25,067
Speaker 4: I was also caught up yesterday with Andrew Martins and

912
00:48:25,187 --> 00:48:28,267
Speaker 4: it's wonderful that we all know now we shared a

913
00:48:28,307 --> 00:48:32,907
Speaker 4: really special part of the Bledderslow Cup history and there's

914
00:48:32,947 --> 00:48:34,147
Speaker 4: more to be created today.

915
00:48:34,427 --> 00:48:36,787
Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, it's good to know Carlos is to blame

916
00:48:37,107 --> 00:48:39,067
Speaker 2: for what happened from ninety eight through to about two

917
00:48:39,107 --> 00:48:41,627
Speaker 2: thousand and three. But we can take that up with

918
00:48:41,707 --> 00:48:44,267
Speaker 2: them another time. Some of those names you mentioned, Joe

919
00:48:44,787 --> 00:48:48,387
Speaker 2: and some others too, Gregan Larkham, Little Horn, Herbert Burke,

920
00:48:48,547 --> 00:48:51,027
Speaker 2: tune Man. What was it like playing in the back

921
00:48:51,067 --> 00:48:51,907
Speaker 2: line with those guys.

922
00:48:52,867 --> 00:48:55,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's only with the benefit of hindsight

923
00:48:55,227 --> 00:48:58,027
Speaker 4: that you realize how special it was. I mean, you know,

924
00:48:58,307 --> 00:49:00,507
Speaker 4: for me, you think about it because I played at

925
00:49:00,547 --> 00:49:03,267
Speaker 4: the Brumbies, and so I spent my whole career both

926
00:49:03,307 --> 00:49:06,867
Speaker 4: at Super rugby and Test level playing outside Gregan Larkham.

927
00:49:06,907 --> 00:49:08,787
Speaker 4: So if you can't make a good fist of it

928
00:49:08,827 --> 00:49:11,227
Speaker 4: playing outside those two, you can't make a fist of

929
00:49:11,227 --> 00:49:14,387
Speaker 4: it playing anywhere. So I was very blessed in terms

930
00:49:14,387 --> 00:49:17,267
Speaker 4: of the people that I played with and through that time.

931
00:49:17,307 --> 00:49:21,387
Speaker 4: But I think there's a and a lot of people

932
00:49:21,387 --> 00:49:23,907
Speaker 4: talk about team culture and it's really hard to define,

933
00:49:23,947 --> 00:49:29,507
Speaker 4: but it's it's just that that motivation to make yourself

934
00:49:29,627 --> 00:49:33,587
Speaker 4: and the person around you better time after time after time,

935
00:49:34,147 --> 00:49:38,027
Speaker 4: and through that period there was that real, you know,

936
00:49:38,067 --> 00:49:42,387
Speaker 4: that real spirit of just improving and getting better and better.

937
00:49:42,427 --> 00:49:46,227
Speaker 4: And so yeah, we went from you know, I look

938
00:49:46,227 --> 00:49:50,387
Speaker 4: at the Argentina blowout last weekend against the Wallabies, but

939
00:49:50,427 --> 00:49:52,467
Speaker 4: we had one of those in nineteen ninety seven and

940
00:49:52,467 --> 00:49:54,787
Speaker 4: then two years later we won the World Cup. So

941
00:49:55,227 --> 00:49:58,187
Speaker 4: rugby rugbies a strange sport like that in terms of

942
00:49:58,227 --> 00:50:00,827
Speaker 4: if you can just get it right culturally and you

943
00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:02,707
Speaker 4: get that self belief, anything can happen.

944
00:50:03,387 --> 00:50:05,907
Speaker 2: Are you able to articulate the influence that John eels

945
00:50:05,907 --> 00:50:06,267
Speaker 2: had on that?

946
00:50:07,747 --> 00:50:13,707
Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, Eelsy was. He was a quiet, assured leader.

947
00:50:14,467 --> 00:50:20,227
Speaker 4: He nothing ever really ruffled him and you know, just

948
00:50:20,267 --> 00:50:25,307
Speaker 4: a very calm leader. If you remember the test we're

949
00:50:25,307 --> 00:50:29,707
Speaker 4: playing out at a core stadium, this Bledderslow and one

950
00:50:29,707 --> 00:50:31,587
Speaker 4: of the most famous test was the first time that

951
00:50:31,627 --> 00:50:35,507
Speaker 4: Bledislowe was played there and if if you remember that

952
00:50:35,547 --> 00:50:38,067
Speaker 4: one that Jonah Lomu scored in the eighty fourth minute

953
00:50:38,107 --> 00:50:40,827
Speaker 4: to win the game, but one hundred and ten thousand

954
00:50:40,867 --> 00:50:43,467
Speaker 4: people out there was it was just they called it

955
00:50:43,507 --> 00:50:45,707
Speaker 4: the game that came down from Heaven. It was an

956
00:50:45,747 --> 00:50:49,147
Speaker 4: amazing Test match. But that was the one where we

957
00:50:49,147 --> 00:50:53,027
Speaker 4: were down twenty four nil after eight minutes and we're

958
00:50:53,067 --> 00:50:57,947
Speaker 4: all standing behind the goal line and Eelsy was We

959
00:50:57,987 --> 00:50:59,747
Speaker 4: were all thinking, well, this is going to be a

960
00:50:59,747 --> 00:51:03,987
Speaker 4: big score today, but he just said, we haven't touched

961
00:51:03,987 --> 00:51:06,227
Speaker 4: the ball. Yet, let's just touch the ball and getting

962
00:51:06,547 --> 00:51:08,707
Speaker 4: a game. Once we get the ball, we're back in

963
00:51:08,707 --> 00:51:12,107
Speaker 4: this game. And it was very just a measured assessment

964
00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:14,787
Speaker 4: of the situation and very calm, and then we ended

965
00:51:14,867 --> 00:51:17,947
Speaker 4: up coming back and it was all even at halftime

966
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:20,067
Speaker 4: and then ended up being one of the great Test matches.

967
00:51:21,347 --> 00:51:26,907
Speaker 4: You know, can't you can't underestimate the impact of quality

968
00:51:26,987 --> 00:51:30,947
Speaker 4: leadership within the team and an Eelsy was certainly one

969
00:51:30,947 --> 00:51:31,387
Speaker 4: of those.

970
00:51:31,307 --> 00:51:34,307
Speaker 2: Leaders absolutely well. I mean it's just imprinted on our

971
00:51:34,347 --> 00:51:36,587
Speaker 2: minds that Test match, but also the one in Wellington

972
00:51:36,907 --> 00:51:39,187
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later with you guys winning twenty

973
00:51:39,227 --> 00:51:40,507
Speaker 2: four to twenty three. You got to try in each

974
00:51:40,507 --> 00:51:43,227
Speaker 2: of those Test matches, Joe John Eel's kicking the winning

975
00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:45,907
Speaker 2: penalty right at the end to break our hearts and

976
00:51:45,947 --> 00:51:48,547
Speaker 2: retain the Blazers like cups. It was something special about

977
00:51:48,547 --> 00:51:51,427
Speaker 2: the two matches in two thousand. Do you remember them vividly?

978
00:51:51,467 --> 00:51:52,947
Speaker 2: Even what quarter of a century on?

979
00:51:53,787 --> 00:51:54,147
Speaker 4: I do?

980
00:51:54,347 --> 00:51:54,587
Speaker 10: I do?

981
00:51:54,827 --> 00:51:58,507
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, you see a big, big giraffe

982
00:51:58,627 --> 00:52:02,427
Speaker 4: like second rower kicking match winning, match winning generally goes

983
00:52:02,467 --> 00:52:07,067
Speaker 4: You don't forget that in a hurry. It was, Yeah,

984
00:52:07,147 --> 00:52:12,067
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's a special moment in time and

985
00:52:12,067 --> 00:52:15,307
Speaker 4: and just you know, a strange beauty about our sport

986
00:52:15,387 --> 00:52:19,187
Speaker 4: that that opportunity just presented itself and our captain who

987
00:52:19,267 --> 00:52:21,707
Speaker 4: you know, with his big high cap boots stepped up

988
00:52:21,747 --> 00:52:26,347
Speaker 4: to kick a match winning penalty goal in a Test

989
00:52:26,387 --> 00:52:29,067
Speaker 4: match against New Zealand. It's a These are the things

990
00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:34,107
Speaker 4: that blederslow cups create, these sporting moments, and I'm certainly

991
00:52:34,747 --> 00:52:38,427
Speaker 4: I think this upcoming series in this game are going

992
00:52:38,427 --> 00:52:40,787
Speaker 4: to present some really special moments.

993
00:52:40,987 --> 00:52:43,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're looking forward to them. If we look at

994
00:52:43,587 --> 00:52:46,707
Speaker 2: your current role as president of Rugby Australia, Joe, how

995
00:52:46,707 --> 00:52:52,147
Speaker 2: can you best impact the Wallabies as Presidents of Rugby Australia.

996
00:52:54,107 --> 00:52:56,227
Speaker 4: It's a really good question and it's a great honor

997
00:52:56,267 --> 00:53:00,267
Speaker 4: and it's great privilege to be the person that tries to,

998
00:53:00,667 --> 00:53:04,187
Speaker 4: I guess, share my love of the game and how much,

999
00:53:05,347 --> 00:53:09,827
Speaker 4: how how good the game is. And you know, if

1000
00:53:09,867 --> 00:53:13,667
Speaker 4: I can give you an example. In nineteen ninety five,

1001
00:53:13,787 --> 00:53:16,587
Speaker 4: I played my first Test and I was presented with

1002
00:53:16,667 --> 00:53:19,707
Speaker 4: my cap by a guy you might remember called Michael Liner.

1003
00:53:20,627 --> 00:53:23,267
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, and so.

1004
00:53:24,467 --> 00:53:27,707
Speaker 4: Michael gave me my first cap, and and this year

1005
00:53:28,147 --> 00:53:30,867
Speaker 4: in the change room after one of the games, I

1006
00:53:30,987 --> 00:53:34,387
Speaker 4: was able to present his son, Tomliner with his first

1007
00:53:34,427 --> 00:53:38,067
Speaker 4: cap and Michael was on the on the zoom because

1008
00:53:38,067 --> 00:53:40,947
Speaker 4: he was in England but he was watching in and

1009
00:53:40,987 --> 00:53:42,987
Speaker 4: so for me to be able to pay it forward

1010
00:53:44,067 --> 00:53:48,627
Speaker 4: and welcome Michael's son into the Wallaby family was was

1011
00:53:48,667 --> 00:53:51,347
Speaker 4: a very special moment and a very special reminder of

1012
00:53:51,387 --> 00:53:55,227
Speaker 4: what the Wallaby family really means. So that my role

1013
00:53:55,307 --> 00:54:01,107
Speaker 4: is about in some ways just just sharing and inspiring

1014
00:54:01,147 --> 00:54:06,667
Speaker 4: younger generations who who were you know, well, let's let's

1015
00:54:06,707 --> 00:54:09,747
Speaker 4: be honest. They're fickle and they get choices in terms

1016
00:54:09,787 --> 00:54:11,587
Speaker 4: of codes that they want to play or sports they

1017
00:54:11,587 --> 00:54:13,867
Speaker 4: want to play, what they want to gauge. Is for

1018
00:54:13,987 --> 00:54:15,747
Speaker 4: me to be able to share with them and say, no,

1019
00:54:15,947 --> 00:54:18,507
Speaker 4: this game that we love and that we play is

1020
00:54:18,707 --> 00:54:21,107
Speaker 4: very very special and you should get involved in it

1021
00:54:21,147 --> 00:54:22,067
Speaker 4: because it's so great.

1022
00:54:22,307 --> 00:54:25,147
Speaker 2: Of course, another of your former teammates, Phil War as CEO.

1023
00:54:25,427 --> 00:54:29,027
Speaker 2: So what is the nature of your contact with Phil

1024
00:54:29,067 --> 00:54:30,747
Speaker 2: war What does that relationship look like.

1025
00:54:31,667 --> 00:54:33,867
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite you know, we talk about some of

1026
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:36,027
Speaker 4: these games, these great games in the early two thousand

1027
00:54:36,027 --> 00:54:38,787
Speaker 4: and then you look at the structure of Rugby Australia

1028
00:54:38,827 --> 00:54:41,987
Speaker 4: and I'm privileged to be in the role that i am.

1029
00:54:42,187 --> 00:54:46,187
Speaker 4: I'm in Daniel Herbert's the Chairman of Rugby Australia and

1030
00:54:46,227 --> 00:54:49,667
Speaker 4: Phil War's the CEO. So you know, one from Queensland,

1031
00:54:49,747 --> 00:54:52,747
Speaker 4: one from New South Wales, one from the Act. It's

1032
00:54:54,587 --> 00:54:59,787
Speaker 4: we were chatting last night to say there's something I

1033
00:54:59,787 --> 00:55:03,507
Speaker 4: think there's. Rugby is a business and we get that

1034
00:55:03,587 --> 00:55:07,427
Speaker 4: and both Phil and Dan have really the business experience,

1035
00:55:07,507 --> 00:55:11,187
Speaker 4: but there's something about having lived experience in the game

1036
00:55:11,427 --> 00:55:16,787
Speaker 4: to understand what our community is like and what our

1037
00:55:16,787 --> 00:55:20,947
Speaker 4: community wants from the game. And so you know they

1038
00:55:20,987 --> 00:55:24,387
Speaker 4: do the Phil and Herbie do the heavy lifting, but

1039
00:55:25,147 --> 00:55:28,827
Speaker 4: they just care so deeply about the game that I

1040
00:55:28,867 --> 00:55:33,027
Speaker 4: think we've had We've had some challenges over the recent

1041
00:55:33,027 --> 00:55:36,187
Speaker 4: period and I know New Zealand Rugby's experience and challenges

1042
00:55:36,227 --> 00:55:38,427
Speaker 4: as well, but we have to step back from that

1043
00:55:38,547 --> 00:55:40,707
Speaker 4: and look at how healthy the game is on a

1044
00:55:40,747 --> 00:55:43,107
Speaker 4: global level and just make sure that what we're doing

1045
00:55:43,107 --> 00:55:46,987
Speaker 4: in our local markets is all together is in the

1046
00:55:46,987 --> 00:55:48,027
Speaker 4: best interests of the game.

1047
00:55:48,227 --> 00:55:50,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific approach and just to finished to bring it

1048
00:55:50,547 --> 00:55:52,427
Speaker 2: back to today and to next week as well. What

1049
00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:54,307
Speaker 2: do you want to see from the Wallabies and these

1050
00:55:54,347 --> 00:55:56,707
Speaker 2: two let Uslow Cup matches Joe to give you confidence

1051
00:55:56,707 --> 00:55:57,947
Speaker 2: that you are on the right track.

1052
00:55:58,947 --> 00:56:01,947
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think you know Joe Schmid's all about

1053
00:56:01,987 --> 00:56:08,227
Speaker 4: the basic skills. He was famously one of the English

1054
00:56:08,267 --> 00:56:12,547
Speaker 4: players when he was coaching Ireland said that Joe Schmidt's

1055
00:56:12,587 --> 00:56:15,587
Speaker 4: teams do the things that take no talent really well,

1056
00:56:16,747 --> 00:56:19,707
Speaker 4: and Joe took that as a compliment. You know, it's

1057
00:56:19,747 --> 00:56:22,507
Speaker 4: about getting the basic righte and the disciplines and you

1058
00:56:22,547 --> 00:56:26,467
Speaker 4: know we know that if there's turnover ball or those

1059
00:56:26,507 --> 00:56:28,867
Speaker 4: sorts of elements that that's when New Zealand's I think

1060
00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:32,307
Speaker 4: New Zealand are playing a wonderful brand of rugby. You know,

1061
00:56:32,667 --> 00:56:37,427
Speaker 4: without without reminding your listeners of the Rugby World Cup,

1062
00:56:37,507 --> 00:56:40,747
Speaker 4: I would say in that game, I was I was

1063
00:56:40,747 --> 00:56:42,947
Speaker 4: really impressed because New Zealand went out to win that

1064
00:56:43,027 --> 00:56:45,667
Speaker 4: game and South Africa went out there not to lose

1065
00:56:45,667 --> 00:56:50,187
Speaker 4: that game. And I think the endeavor of this all

1066
00:56:50,227 --> 00:56:53,147
Speaker 4: black side is something we need to be very mindful of.

1067
00:56:53,947 --> 00:56:57,947
Speaker 4: But it's going to create a really entertaining game tonight

1068
00:56:58,027 --> 00:57:01,187
Speaker 4: and our team just have to have the disciplines, not

1069
00:57:01,267 --> 00:57:04,907
Speaker 4: to not to provide the opportunities that the New Zealand

1070
00:57:04,867 --> 00:57:09,067
Speaker 4: always in an invariably houts on and make you suffer

1071
00:57:09,107 --> 00:57:15,307
Speaker 4: for if you're fracturing in those critical moments. So it's

1072
00:57:15,347 --> 00:57:17,707
Speaker 4: doing the basic things very well. This is a team,

1073
00:57:17,827 --> 00:57:20,187
Speaker 4: this is an Australian team that is building. There is

1074
00:57:20,267 --> 00:57:23,427
Speaker 4: self belief within the change room. Joe Schmid's got an

1075
00:57:23,427 --> 00:57:26,587
Speaker 4: excellent coaching team around him and I think it's going

1076
00:57:26,627 --> 00:57:27,947
Speaker 4: to be a very special test match.

1077
00:57:28,347 --> 00:57:29,907
Speaker 2: Great to get the chance to jet to you, Joe.

1078
00:57:29,907 --> 00:57:32,267
Speaker 2: You broke her hearts on several occasions over the side

1079
00:57:32,307 --> 00:57:34,987
Speaker 2: of the ditch, but there's nothing like let us low

1080
00:57:35,027 --> 00:57:37,587
Speaker 2: Cup Rugby to get the blood pumping and rugby fans

1081
00:57:37,627 --> 00:57:39,987
Speaker 2: on both sides of the Tasman. Thanks so much for

1082
00:57:40,027 --> 00:57:42,587
Speaker 2: taking the time for a chat this afternoon. No, thank you,

1083
00:57:42,867 --> 00:57:46,387
Speaker 2: thanks Joe. Joe Roff there he is president of Rugby Australia.

1084
00:57:46,947 --> 00:57:52,147
Speaker 2: What a player those games against Australia. HARKing back to them,

1085
00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:55,147
Speaker 2: they were just the sweet spot of in my rugby

1086
00:57:55,147 --> 00:58:00,387
Speaker 2: experience anyway, of trans Tasman rivalry at its finest from

1087
00:58:01,107 --> 00:58:05,827
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety let's say nineteen ninety six seven. I think

1088
00:58:05,867 --> 00:58:09,107
Speaker 2: we won most of them in those two years, certainly

1089
00:58:09,187 --> 00:58:12,387
Speaker 2: ninety seven because we were unbeaten ninety six. I think

1090
00:58:12,387 --> 00:58:15,307
Speaker 2: we won them both or all three, I'll check. But

1091
00:58:15,387 --> 00:58:17,987
Speaker 2: from there onwards through to when we won the Leader

1092
00:58:17,987 --> 00:58:20,187
Speaker 2: Slow Cup back and what was that two thousand and two,

1093
00:58:20,547 --> 00:58:24,347
Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and haven't lost it since. Every

1094
00:58:24,387 --> 00:58:26,747
Speaker 2: test match just seemed to earn a knife edge. And

1095
00:58:27,067 --> 00:58:29,387
Speaker 2: really interesting what Joe Roff said there that they won

1096
00:58:29,427 --> 00:58:32,347
Speaker 2: the one pointers back then they found a way John

1097
00:58:32,387 --> 00:58:37,587
Speaker 2: Eels kicking that penalty, you know, and total Kefu scoring

1098
00:58:37,587 --> 00:58:40,187
Speaker 2: that try late in the game, either that year or

1099
00:58:40,187 --> 00:58:42,987
Speaker 2: the one after all, in that same period they found

1100
00:58:42,987 --> 00:58:45,307
Speaker 2: a way to win the one pointer. Is It just

1101
00:58:45,307 --> 00:58:47,547
Speaker 2: occurred to me that that's where we are with South

1102
00:58:47,547 --> 00:58:50,547
Speaker 2: Africa at the moment. We might not be as closely matched.

1103
00:58:50,587 --> 00:58:53,067
Speaker 2: Maybe they are a few steps ahead at the moment,

1104
00:58:53,147 --> 00:58:55,467
Speaker 2: but they are winning the one pointers, aren't they? Or

1105
00:58:55,507 --> 00:58:58,307
Speaker 2: the close matches they won the Rugby World Cup final,

1106
00:58:58,387 --> 00:59:00,027
Speaker 2: they won the last two and even though they weren't

1107
00:59:00,027 --> 00:59:03,907
Speaker 2: one pointers, they were less than you know, ten points

1108
00:59:04,587 --> 00:59:08,307
Speaker 2: within a converted tribe. Basically, they're winning those games at

1109
00:59:08,307 --> 00:59:10,307
Speaker 2: the moment. We're not winning those games. At the moment,

1110
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,907
Speaker 2: Nathan says Ponte, I was sitting exactly behind John Eels

1111
00:59:14,147 --> 00:59:16,747
Speaker 2: as he kicked that penalty in Wellington. The ball had

1112
00:59:16,787 --> 00:59:19,547
Speaker 2: hardly made it between the uprights when my Australian brother

1113
00:59:19,587 --> 00:59:23,027
Speaker 2: in law was ringing me. Great memory, says Nathan, and

1114
00:59:23,067 --> 00:59:26,587
Speaker 2: John Eills a great competitor, but not tonight the All Blacks.

1115
00:59:26,587 --> 00:59:32,707
Speaker 2: Thanks Nathan. Yeah, that day that John Eills kicked that penalty.

1116
00:59:32,827 --> 00:59:35,547
Speaker 2: I remember that day for a couple of reasons. Won

1117
00:59:35,827 --> 00:59:38,547
Speaker 2: that but I didn't get I didn't get to the game.

1118
00:59:38,587 --> 00:59:41,987
Speaker 2: It was an afternoon game, and back in two thousand,

1119
00:59:42,667 --> 00:59:45,387
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the games were played, you know,

1120
00:59:45,507 --> 00:59:47,107
Speaker 2: or still played in the afternoon. Even though that was

1121
00:59:47,107 --> 00:59:49,387
Speaker 2: at Sky Stadium. It was an afternoon game. I remember

1122
00:59:49,387 --> 00:59:51,347
Speaker 2: I had a game of football that day, just for

1123
00:59:51,827 --> 00:59:54,867
Speaker 2: a game of local football, and I got sent off

1124
00:59:55,667 --> 00:59:57,587
Speaker 2: for one of the very few times in my career

1125
00:59:58,187 --> 01:00:00,947
Speaker 2: got sent off. So it was I got sent off

1126
01:00:00,947 --> 01:00:03,187
Speaker 2: on the same day that John Neils kicked the penalty

1127
01:00:03,227 --> 01:00:05,347
Speaker 2: to take the bledder Slow Cup or to retain it

1128
01:00:05,347 --> 01:00:08,267
Speaker 2: for Australia. And even worse, the card that I was

1129
01:00:08,267 --> 01:00:11,387
Speaker 2: presented by the referee to be sent off, had been

1130
01:00:11,427 --> 01:00:14,387
Speaker 2: through the wash and it was pink. It wasn't even red.

1131
01:00:15,387 --> 01:00:18,467
Speaker 2: I got pink carded and John Eils kicked a penalty

1132
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:24,107
Speaker 2: that day, Elliott Smith. Shortly, your calls and correspondences continue

1133
01:00:24,107 --> 01:00:26,547
Speaker 2: to be welcome. Hamish McKay, who's one of our Goldsport

1134
01:00:26,547 --> 01:00:29,187
Speaker 2: commentators right now, in a name I'm sure you're familiar

1135
01:00:29,267 --> 01:00:32,187
Speaker 2: with in sporting circles, says, forget the Wallabies second half

1136
01:00:32,187 --> 01:00:34,867
Speaker 2: against Argentina a couple of weeks ago, Bini, it's a

1137
01:00:34,907 --> 01:00:37,947
Speaker 2: false sense of security. Look, I don't reckon they're gonna win,

1138
01:00:37,987 --> 01:00:42,667
Speaker 2: are they? Surely they're not going to beat us? Surely

1139
01:00:43,747 --> 01:00:45,107
Speaker 2: one twenty seven back after this.

1140
01:00:45,827 --> 01:00:49,227
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game weekends for it. With

1141
01:00:49,427 --> 01:00:53,507
Speaker 1: Jason Vine and GJ. Garnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home

1142
01:00:53,547 --> 01:00:54,827
Speaker 1: builder news dogs they'd be.

1143
01:00:55,547 --> 01:00:58,747
Speaker 2: One twenty nine, twenty four minutes gone between North Harbor

1144
01:00:58,827 --> 01:01:03,187
Speaker 2: and Northland in Fanga day A, Northland fourteen to five ahead. Harbour,

1145
01:01:03,227 --> 01:01:05,547
Speaker 2: sitting on the cusp of the top eight at the moment,

1146
01:01:06,627 --> 01:01:08,987
Speaker 2: have got a bit of work to do make the playoffs,

1147
01:01:08,987 --> 01:01:11,147
Speaker 2: but I win today would certainly help their fourteen to

1148
01:01:11,147 --> 01:01:13,067
Speaker 2: five ahead as I say, just after the midway stage

1149
01:01:13,067 --> 01:01:14,787
Speaker 2: in the first half, how are you Mark, how are

1150
01:01:14,827 --> 01:01:15,667
Speaker 2: you feeling about tonight?

1151
01:01:16,467 --> 01:01:17,067
Speaker 4: I'm worried.

1152
01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:19,827
Speaker 8: I've been worried for quite some time, well since the

1153
01:01:19,867 --> 01:01:23,267
Speaker 8: beginning of disappointment. It's the first time we've gone outside

1154
01:01:23,307 --> 01:01:26,507
Speaker 8: the succession plan for sixteen years. Succession plan got us

1155
01:01:26,547 --> 01:01:28,947
Speaker 8: to three World Cups, of which he won too, and

1156
01:01:28,987 --> 01:01:31,747
Speaker 8: one World Cup's gonna be final. We threw it out

1157
01:01:31,787 --> 01:01:34,587
Speaker 8: with the bath water when we've gone with with Razor.

1158
01:01:35,147 --> 01:01:38,507
Speaker 8: It's was never exposed to international rugby at any stage

1159
01:01:38,547 --> 01:01:42,387
Speaker 8: in his career, apart from a small Dalian last World

1160
01:01:42,467 --> 01:01:45,547
Speaker 8: Cup helping somebody out for a day or two, and

1161
01:01:46,027 --> 01:01:49,867
Speaker 8: that's been a concern of mine. Also, Damien McKenzie is

1162
01:01:49,867 --> 01:01:52,347
Speaker 8: a bit like Carlos Ben So you can't play three games,

1163
01:01:52,347 --> 01:01:55,067
Speaker 8: three good games in a row. Something's going to happen.

1164
01:01:55,707 --> 01:01:59,907
Speaker 13: And I just think that we've missed the boat when it.

1165
01:01:59,867 --> 01:02:03,987
Speaker 8: Comes with regards to substitution, we're still thinking of it

1166
01:02:04,307 --> 01:02:07,227
Speaker 8: as a cover play. What if this player goes down?

1167
01:02:07,307 --> 01:02:10,267
Speaker 8: What if this player goes down? Africa have thrown that out.

1168
01:02:10,467 --> 01:02:13,387
Speaker 8: Erasmus is way ahead of us in regards to this

1169
01:02:13,547 --> 01:02:18,027
Speaker 8: thinking he's thinking very strategically about what as we've seen

1170
01:02:18,467 --> 01:02:24,467
Speaker 8: entire swaps, which is changing the nature of substitution. That's

1171
01:02:24,507 --> 01:02:27,147
Speaker 8: my that's my belief. And I think we're behind and

1172
01:02:27,227 --> 01:02:28,947
Speaker 8: now thinking they're So I'll leave that to people.

1173
01:02:29,027 --> 01:02:31,747
Speaker 2: Don't talk about now make can I just while I've

1174
01:02:31,787 --> 01:02:34,667
Speaker 2: got you? Though I totally agree on the subs. I

1175
01:02:34,707 --> 01:02:37,387
Speaker 2: agree it's often we say, oh, who's going to cover

1176
01:02:37,707 --> 01:02:39,547
Speaker 2: X Y Z if he goes down? You're right, I

1177
01:02:39,547 --> 01:02:41,187
Speaker 2: think it's more about how we're going to impact this game,

1178
01:02:41,227 --> 01:02:43,987
Speaker 2: because yes, injuries happen, but they shouldn't be the first consideration,

1179
01:02:44,347 --> 01:02:46,667
Speaker 2: just on the whole succession plan thing. Do you think

1180
01:02:46,707 --> 01:02:49,187
Speaker 2: we were a better team in twenty twenty three than

1181
01:02:49,187 --> 01:02:50,267
Speaker 2: we were in twenty fifteen?

1182
01:02:52,387 --> 01:02:52,627
Speaker 14: God?

1183
01:02:52,707 --> 01:02:55,227
Speaker 8: No, twenty fifteen teams one of the greatest teams ever

1184
01:02:55,347 --> 01:02:56,307
Speaker 8: to trap on boots.

1185
01:02:56,587 --> 01:02:58,627
Speaker 2: Yeah. So what I guess what I'm getting at is

1186
01:02:59,067 --> 01:03:00,827
Speaker 2: if we look at the progress of the All Blacks

1187
01:03:00,827 --> 01:03:03,747
Speaker 2: from twenty fifteen on to twenty twenty three, to nip.

1188
01:03:03,627 --> 01:03:06,747
Speaker 15: The cattle though, yeah, look at the cattle. Yeah, that's

1189
01:03:06,987 --> 01:03:10,627
Speaker 15: absolute world class, A grade cattle in twenty fifteen, If not,

1190
01:03:10,987 --> 01:03:14,667
Speaker 15: as I say, probably the greatest assembled, and you're always

1191
01:03:14,667 --> 01:03:16,587
Speaker 15: going to come off a peak like that. Kieran Reid

1192
01:03:16,747 --> 01:03:19,267
Speaker 15: was eighteen months too long in the job in twenty nineteen,

1193
01:03:19,947 --> 01:03:22,467
Speaker 15: as a number of them were, and we got smashed

1194
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:25,547
Speaker 15: in the semi final appropriately just completely outmuscled.

1195
01:03:25,987 --> 01:03:27,027
Speaker 4: But we're rebuilt.

1196
01:03:27,027 --> 01:03:30,067
Speaker 8: By twenty twenty three, we had actually rebuilt. It was

1197
01:03:30,107 --> 01:03:33,147
Speaker 8: a nuts and bolts team. It still is. It's not

1198
01:03:33,227 --> 01:03:37,307
Speaker 8: a finished product. It's not a slick functioning machine at all.

1199
01:03:37,707 --> 01:03:39,307
Speaker 8: I don't think you even think it's the sum of

1200
01:03:39,347 --> 01:03:43,427
Speaker 8: its parts yet, which is concerning because have these players,

1201
01:03:43,427 --> 01:03:46,107
Speaker 8: Are these players going backwards in this environment.

1202
01:03:46,507 --> 01:03:49,067
Speaker 2: That would you would you have kept would you have

1203
01:03:49,147 --> 01:03:50,027
Speaker 2: Keptdan Foster on?

1204
01:03:50,107 --> 01:03:50,227
Speaker 5: Then?

1205
01:03:50,387 --> 01:03:53,067
Speaker 2: If that was if that was an option, what.

1206
01:03:52,987 --> 01:03:55,547
Speaker 8: I would have done was in twenty nineteen, I would

1207
01:03:55,547 --> 01:03:58,507
Speaker 8: have bought in the next guy to sit under his

1208
01:03:58,627 --> 01:04:02,427
Speaker 8: learning tree. But we didn't do that because a raiser

1209
01:04:02,467 --> 01:04:04,427
Speaker 8: went for the job in twenty nineteen and didn't get

1210
01:04:04,467 --> 01:04:07,227
Speaker 8: it and then sat on the sideline mining and mining

1211
01:04:07,707 --> 01:04:09,947
Speaker 8: about it. To be honest, you know, there was rumbles

1212
01:04:10,027 --> 01:04:12,427
Speaker 8: in the media at the whole time. It was constantly

1213
01:04:12,507 --> 01:04:15,107
Speaker 8: undermining for old Fosters. I look back on that, I

1214
01:04:15,107 --> 01:04:17,547
Speaker 8: think it was quite shameful what what went on in

1215
01:04:17,587 --> 01:04:20,187
Speaker 8: the sense of it, but it also broke up the plan.

1216
01:04:21,547 --> 01:04:23,627
Speaker 8: It broke up the plan and if we want to

1217
01:04:23,627 --> 01:04:25,707
Speaker 8: look at where the rot set in, maybe it was

1218
01:04:25,747 --> 01:04:26,187
Speaker 8: back then.

1219
01:04:27,427 --> 01:04:29,627
Speaker 2: Mark great points. Well mate, gee with had some good

1220
01:04:29,667 --> 01:04:32,707
Speaker 2: calls this afternoon you included. Thanks mate, I appreciate it

1221
01:04:32,747 --> 01:04:35,707
Speaker 2: and enjoy the game tonight. Just on twenty seven away

1222
01:04:35,707 --> 01:04:38,067
Speaker 2: from two, let's get you across The Tasman News talks

1223
01:04:38,067 --> 01:04:41,347
Speaker 2: a big rugby editor and match commentator Elliott Smithers with us. Elliott,

1224
01:04:41,347 --> 01:04:43,587
Speaker 2: you've been around the team all week. What sense do

1225
01:04:43,707 --> 01:04:45,547
Speaker 2: you get from them as they as they get set

1226
01:04:45,547 --> 01:04:46,587
Speaker 2: for the first Letters LA of.

1227
01:04:46,587 --> 01:04:49,267
Speaker 5: The year afternoon? Finally, look, I think you look at

1228
01:04:49,267 --> 01:04:51,627
Speaker 5: the All Blacks and they're coming off two defeats in

1229
01:04:51,667 --> 01:04:55,067
Speaker 5: South Africa. But the feeling this week is that they've

1230
01:04:55,067 --> 01:04:57,307
Speaker 5: looked back at those test matches and whether the New

1231
01:04:57,387 --> 01:05:00,147
Speaker 5: Zealand public agrees or I guess there's another thing entirely,

1232
01:05:00,227 --> 01:05:02,827
Speaker 5: but but they weren't far away. They're not far away

1233
01:05:02,907 --> 01:05:07,387
Speaker 5: from cracking it and with the familiar oppone in Australia,

1234
01:05:07,427 --> 01:05:11,187
Speaker 5: a team that is low on confidence and has come

1235
01:05:11,267 --> 01:05:14,907
Speaker 5: back from Argentina with the worst of a defeat, there's

1236
01:05:14,907 --> 01:05:18,147
Speaker 5: a feeling that they are capable of delivering a performance.

1237
01:05:18,147 --> 01:05:21,147
Speaker 5: And hearing the players speak this week about the Bladers

1238
01:05:21,147 --> 01:05:23,707
Speaker 5: Loow Cup, that's been drilled into them. It's been in

1239
01:05:23,787 --> 01:05:26,187
Speaker 5: their team room the entire week. They've been walking past

1240
01:05:26,267 --> 01:05:28,507
Speaker 5: it as they go to meetings, got to get their breakfast,

1241
01:05:28,547 --> 01:05:31,267
Speaker 5: whatever it might be. So even for those players that

1242
01:05:31,707 --> 01:05:34,107
Speaker 5: are perhaps new to the environment, it's been drilled into

1243
01:05:34,147 --> 01:05:36,947
Speaker 5: them how important the Blooderslow Cup is to this team.

1244
01:05:37,067 --> 01:05:40,387
Speaker 5: Second only the All Blacks said anyway to a Rugby

1245
01:05:40,387 --> 01:05:43,307
Speaker 5: World Cup. So I get the sense from the All

1246
01:05:43,307 --> 01:05:45,987
Speaker 5: Blacks that they feel that they are building and really

1247
01:05:45,987 --> 01:05:49,867
Speaker 5: close to it to cracking that performance that we think

1248
01:05:49,907 --> 01:05:53,227
Speaker 5: they're capable of, and Scott Robertson certainly believes they're capable of.

1249
01:05:53,587 --> 01:05:56,107
Speaker 2: Well, now it's a different opponent, but are there specific

1250
01:05:56,187 --> 01:05:59,307
Speaker 2: areas where they wouldn't have been happy against South Africa

1251
01:05:59,427 --> 01:06:02,667
Speaker 2: that they will want to see improvement against Australia.

1252
01:06:02,867 --> 01:06:04,947
Speaker 5: Well, I think you look at the second Test and

1253
01:06:04,987 --> 01:06:08,227
Speaker 5: the attack just sort of didn't really fire. The first

1254
01:06:08,227 --> 01:06:10,187
Speaker 5: Test it was very very good and they've restored that

1255
01:06:10,187 --> 01:06:14,147
Speaker 5: back three combination they scored four tries against South Africa,

1256
01:06:14,187 --> 01:06:16,947
Speaker 5: which is you know, no easy feat to do. That

1257
01:06:17,027 --> 01:06:18,987
Speaker 5: second Test, it was a lot more clunky up and

1258
01:06:19,347 --> 01:06:22,187
Speaker 5: they didn't get where they wanted to be. So South

1259
01:06:22,227 --> 01:06:25,067
Speaker 5: Africa have that rush defense, the Wallabies stand up a

1260
01:06:25,147 --> 01:06:26,867
Speaker 5: little bit more and that's going to give the All

1261
01:06:26,907 --> 01:06:30,307
Speaker 5: Blacks you would think, time and space to utleast their

1262
01:06:30,307 --> 01:06:32,707
Speaker 5: attacking plan. It's the third match now the All Blacks

1263
01:06:32,707 --> 01:06:35,707
Speaker 5: have had with Scott Hansen as their attacking coach rather

1264
01:06:35,747 --> 01:06:38,907
Speaker 5: than Leo McDonald. So that was pointed out to me

1265
01:06:38,907 --> 01:06:42,427
Speaker 5: by Sam Kaine during the week that there that's another

1266
01:06:42,507 --> 01:06:45,307
Speaker 5: match in charge with a new attacking structures. They've already

1267
01:06:45,347 --> 01:06:49,347
Speaker 5: gone through two attacking structures this year with the change

1268
01:06:49,347 --> 01:06:51,507
Speaker 5: and attack coach. So they feel with the way that

1269
01:06:51,547 --> 01:06:53,987
Speaker 5: the Wallabies defend, they might be able to find some

1270
01:06:54,187 --> 01:06:57,667
Speaker 5: gaps in that defensive line and use their attacking game plan.

1271
01:06:57,747 --> 01:06:59,987
Speaker 5: That's been similar in the past. We've seen you know,

1272
01:07:00,027 --> 01:07:02,867
Speaker 5: the All Blacks play a lot more expansively against Australia.

1273
01:07:02,907 --> 01:07:04,507
Speaker 5: That seems to you a lot more time and space

1274
01:07:04,907 --> 01:07:08,267
Speaker 5: on the field given the way Australia defends. So that's

1275
01:07:08,307 --> 01:07:10,307
Speaker 5: where the All Blacks I think are wanting to try

1276
01:07:10,307 --> 01:07:13,747
Speaker 5: and find some success later on this afternoon.

1277
01:07:13,467 --> 01:07:16,587
Speaker 2: And half back Courtez what Rotima will start consecutive test

1278
01:07:16,587 --> 01:07:19,267
Speaker 2: matches for the first time, TJ Petanata will come off

1279
01:07:19,307 --> 01:07:21,467
Speaker 2: the bench. Does that tell us anything about the way

1280
01:07:21,467 --> 01:07:22,507
Speaker 2: the All Blacks want to play?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

1282
01:07:23,067 --> 01:07:25,427
Speaker 5: I think so. Look, I think Courtiers that Ratima will

1283
01:07:25,827 --> 01:07:29,147
Speaker 5: be afforded the ability to play things as he sees it,

1284
01:07:29,507 --> 01:07:32,467
Speaker 5: snipe around the base of the ruck users running game,

1285
01:07:32,547 --> 01:07:35,867
Speaker 5: try and find out some Australian defenders that way and

1286
01:07:36,347 --> 01:07:38,187
Speaker 5: put the All Blacks on the front foot. I think

1287
01:07:38,187 --> 01:07:41,187
Speaker 5: he's been given a license to do that. Certainly wasn't

1288
01:07:41,467 --> 01:07:44,707
Speaker 5: much space in Cape Town for him trying to do that.

1289
01:07:44,787 --> 01:07:49,347
Speaker 5: It was very very set defensive line from South Africa Australia.

1290
01:07:49,907 --> 01:07:52,107
Speaker 5: He'll be given the license to roam around the ruck

1291
01:07:52,187 --> 01:07:55,587
Speaker 5: and snipe away and try and find those little week

1292
01:07:55,707 --> 01:07:58,667
Speaker 5: gaps that he's capable of. So I think that's a

1293
01:07:58,787 --> 01:08:01,147
Speaker 5: signal as to where the All Blacks want to go.

1294
01:08:01,187 --> 01:08:02,907
Speaker 5: They want to play on the front foot and get

1295
01:08:02,947 --> 01:08:06,787
Speaker 5: the team up and about and obviously the Australian peaks

1296
01:08:06,827 --> 01:08:09,867
Speaker 5: Nick White, and Nick White's a veteran for them, who's

1297
01:08:10,347 --> 01:08:12,827
Speaker 5: you know, more of a I guess a halfback that

1298
01:08:13,667 --> 01:08:16,867
Speaker 5: controls the games. There's an interesting dynamic between those two

1299
01:08:17,547 --> 01:08:19,627
Speaker 5: this afternoon and then on the eventually the All Blacks

1300
01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:23,587
Speaker 5: who've got TJ. Peninara, who you know, is that insurance

1301
01:08:23,627 --> 01:08:26,587
Speaker 5: policy and has been throughout the entire All Blacks career.

1302
01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:29,627
Speaker 5: Really started the vast majority of his games from the

1303
01:08:29,667 --> 01:08:32,547
Speaker 5: bench behind Aaron Smith. So he's the kind of close

1304
01:08:32,587 --> 01:08:35,027
Speaker 5: out player if it does get into a real armory,

1305
01:08:35,067 --> 01:08:38,347
Speaker 5: so that they bring on and try to change the

1306
01:08:38,387 --> 01:08:39,907
Speaker 5: game that way one out.

1307
01:08:40,307 --> 01:08:43,667
Speaker 2: Damien mackenzie has had sole ownership of the teen jersey

1308
01:08:43,707 --> 01:08:46,467
Speaker 2: this year. Only he and Ardi savia I have started

1309
01:08:46,467 --> 01:08:49,707
Speaker 2: every test match and will again this afternoon. He left

1310
01:08:49,707 --> 01:08:51,547
Speaker 2: a couple of points out there last week, didn't He didn't?

1311
01:08:51,547 --> 01:08:53,147
Speaker 2: That aside? What have you made of the way that

1312
01:08:53,227 --> 01:08:54,987
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie has run the cut of this year?

1313
01:08:55,787 --> 01:08:59,067
Speaker 5: Look, I think he he admits in himself that game

1314
01:08:59,107 --> 01:09:01,427
Speaker 5: management is the thing he needs to to work on,

1315
01:09:01,467 --> 01:09:04,027
Speaker 5: and that's around getting the team in the right areas

1316
01:09:04,147 --> 01:09:07,307
Speaker 5: of the park and the key moments and slotting those

1317
01:09:07,347 --> 01:09:11,387
Speaker 5: penalty goals should they be elected to be taken, and

1318
01:09:11,987 --> 01:09:14,627
Speaker 5: making sure that his team are in the areas where

1319
01:09:15,027 --> 01:09:18,907
Speaker 5: they can get that front football and be playing with

1320
01:09:18,987 --> 01:09:21,387
Speaker 5: the style that we know that the back line is

1321
01:09:21,427 --> 01:09:23,867
Speaker 5: certainly capable of. I think there is room for improvement

1322
01:09:23,907 --> 01:09:27,027
Speaker 5: in Damien McKinsey's game. Some of the kicking the exits

1323
01:09:27,187 --> 01:09:29,747
Speaker 5: from the twenty two last time out in Cape Town

1324
01:09:30,187 --> 01:09:33,547
Speaker 5: weren't to a standard that he would be happy with

1325
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:35,667
Speaker 5: the All Blacks would be demanding of him. But clearly

1326
01:09:35,707 --> 01:09:38,987
Speaker 5: they've elected that he is their teen for this season.

1327
01:09:39,547 --> 01:09:42,387
Speaker 5: There have been opportunities, obviously with both Bowden Barrett there

1328
01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:44,187
Speaker 5: and Harry Plumber has been in the mix as well

1329
01:09:44,427 --> 01:09:47,747
Speaker 5: to take a different tack, but they have wetted themselves

1330
01:09:47,787 --> 01:09:52,107
Speaker 5: to Damien McKinsey. I think there's definite improvements and all

1331
01:09:52,147 --> 01:09:54,787
Speaker 5: eyes go on him this afternoon to really pull the

1332
01:09:54,787 --> 01:09:58,147
Speaker 5: strings of an All Blacks back line. This is the

1333
01:09:58,187 --> 01:10:00,787
Speaker 5: longest run he's had in an All Blacks jersey and

1334
01:10:01,347 --> 01:10:04,707
Speaker 5: playing ten, and you know he knows that game management

1335
01:10:04,787 --> 01:10:06,867
Speaker 5: is something that he needs to get right, that a

1336
01:10:06,947 --> 01:10:10,227
Speaker 5: test match footballer test match ten needs to get right.

1337
01:10:10,267 --> 01:10:13,107
Speaker 5: So certainly room for improvement, but they've stuck by him

1338
01:10:13,107 --> 01:10:15,467
Speaker 5: so far this season, given him time to improve. They

1339
01:10:15,507 --> 01:10:19,907
Speaker 5: clearly believe that he's capable of driving this team around

1340
01:10:19,907 --> 01:10:22,787
Speaker 5: the park. I suspect maybe if the Argentina series had

1341
01:10:22,827 --> 01:10:25,987
Speaker 5: got a little bit differently, certainly in Wellington, then maybe

1342
01:10:25,987 --> 01:10:27,987
Speaker 5: it would have been a change to see maybe Boden

1343
01:10:28,027 --> 01:10:31,227
Speaker 5: barred at Eton Park. But circumstances haven't allowed that and

1344
01:10:31,387 --> 01:10:35,107
Speaker 5: stuck with Damian Kenzie and said you're our ten, you

1345
01:10:35,147 --> 01:10:36,987
Speaker 5: can lead this team. We've got the faith in you.

1346
01:10:37,107 --> 01:10:38,907
Speaker 5: But now he needs to repay that faith.

1347
01:10:39,387 --> 01:10:43,267
Speaker 2: What has Razer's plan for Will Jordan, Well, I.

1348
01:10:43,267 --> 01:10:45,547
Speaker 5: Don't know that we have actually seen that. I think

1349
01:10:45,547 --> 01:10:48,947
Speaker 5: it's still up in the year. I think we know

1350
01:10:49,067 --> 01:10:51,147
Speaker 5: that he's capable and certainly has to be in at

1351
01:10:51,147 --> 01:10:54,267
Speaker 5: All Blacks back three. And this is the bat three

1352
01:10:54,587 --> 01:10:58,867
Speaker 5: that started in Johannesburg, and we're very effective on that night,

1353
01:10:58,947 --> 01:11:01,707
Speaker 5: especially the wings count of Clark and Will Jordan were

1354
01:11:02,387 --> 01:11:05,667
Speaker 5: good on that night. They changed it round for Cape

1355
01:11:05,707 --> 01:11:09,627
Speaker 5: Town and and things weren't quite as good. So I

1356
01:11:09,667 --> 01:11:11,227
Speaker 5: think at this point for the All Blacks is the

1357
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:13,027
Speaker 5: sense of trying to get the best players in the

1358
01:11:13,067 --> 01:11:16,467
Speaker 5: back three cad of Clark, Will Jordan and Boten Barrett.

1359
01:11:16,467 --> 01:11:19,387
Speaker 5: That may change over time, but at some point there's

1360
01:11:19,387 --> 01:11:21,387
Speaker 5: got to be a decision made around whether Will Jordan

1361
01:11:21,467 --> 01:11:24,547
Speaker 5: as you're starting test fullback or whether he is a wing.

1362
01:11:24,587 --> 01:11:26,627
Speaker 5: He's very very good on the right wing. He's had

1363
01:11:26,667 --> 01:11:28,347
Speaker 5: a lot of success there and racked up a number

1364
01:11:28,387 --> 01:11:30,707
Speaker 5: of tries for the All Blacks. But if he's going

1365
01:11:30,707 --> 01:11:33,267
Speaker 5: to be your your All Blacks fullback in such a

1366
01:11:33,267 --> 01:11:36,787
Speaker 5: pivotal position come twenty twenty seven, then he needs to

1367
01:11:36,827 --> 01:11:39,267
Speaker 5: get game time under his belt. He needs to learn

1368
01:11:39,267 --> 01:11:41,187
Speaker 5: a bit more about playing the game at test level,

1369
01:11:41,227 --> 01:11:44,307
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure chopping and changing week in week

1370
01:11:44,347 --> 01:11:47,587
Speaker 5: out is necessarily the best thing for him. So I

1371
01:11:47,627 --> 01:11:50,467
Speaker 5: don't think the plan is exactly clear at the moment.

1372
01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:52,587
Speaker 5: There's some big tests coming up at the end of

1373
01:11:52,587 --> 01:11:55,147
Speaker 5: the year. Will Will Jordan start at fullback in those?

1374
01:11:55,307 --> 01:11:57,747
Speaker 5: I guess it's it's pretty unclear and we haven't had

1375
01:11:58,667 --> 01:12:01,627
Speaker 5: a definitive answer on whether Will Jordan is the fullback

1376
01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:03,507
Speaker 5: going forward or whether he's the right wing and Voten

1377
01:12:03,507 --> 01:12:06,107
Speaker 5: Barrett's and a stick in that fifteen Jessey, So to

1378
01:12:06,147 --> 01:12:08,427
Speaker 5: not really answer your question, party, I don't.

1379
01:12:08,227 --> 01:12:12,027
Speaker 2: Know fair enough. I think it's a valid answer, and

1380
01:12:12,107 --> 01:12:14,187
Speaker 2: without wanting to get too far ahead of ourselves, if

1381
01:12:14,227 --> 01:12:16,867
Speaker 2: the All Blacks were to win and win well tonight,

1382
01:12:17,187 --> 01:12:19,507
Speaker 2: do you think Raizer Mike Tinker with the side for

1383
01:12:19,587 --> 01:12:22,547
Speaker 2: next weekend give guys like Billy Procton, Noah Hotham, George

1384
01:12:22,547 --> 01:12:24,627
Speaker 2: Bell some minutes at Skystadium.

1385
01:12:24,947 --> 01:12:27,227
Speaker 5: I think so. Look, I think we've seen that in

1386
01:12:27,227 --> 01:12:29,787
Speaker 5: the past with other All Black sides. Is that by

1387
01:12:29,827 --> 01:12:32,027
Speaker 5: winning the opening blitterslow, it gives you a little bit

1388
01:12:32,067 --> 01:12:36,787
Speaker 5: of a license to change things around and still back

1389
01:12:37,427 --> 01:12:40,147
Speaker 5: core of your players to deliver and find a little

1390
01:12:40,187 --> 01:12:43,107
Speaker 5: bit more about them next week. Obviously, the first task

1391
01:12:43,227 --> 01:12:45,347
Speaker 5: is getting the job done this afternoon here in Sydney

1392
01:12:45,347 --> 01:12:48,307
Speaker 5: and getting the victory and making sure the bledd is

1393
01:12:48,347 --> 01:12:51,187
Speaker 5: though safe. But by doing that you can empower some

1394
01:12:51,227 --> 01:12:53,307
Speaker 5: of the players next week to learn a little bit

1395
01:12:53,307 --> 01:12:55,467
Speaker 5: more about them. We saw a lot of them in

1396
01:12:55,627 --> 01:12:58,427
Speaker 5: San Diego against Fiji. Of course, we haven't seen a

1397
01:12:58,427 --> 01:13:00,467
Speaker 5: lot of them at teens levels since apart from Wall

1398
01:13:00,467 --> 01:13:02,667
Speaker 5: of the Tit, so it would be an opportunity to

1399
01:13:02,667 --> 01:13:05,787
Speaker 5: find out a bit more about the likes of George

1400
01:13:05,787 --> 01:13:09,347
Speaker 5: Bell both in those players you mentioned Billy Proctor as well.

1401
01:13:09,347 --> 01:13:11,147
Speaker 5: The drums are beating for him to maybe given a

1402
01:13:11,147 --> 01:13:15,107
Speaker 5: look at thirteen Harry Plummer maybe even an opportunity off

1403
01:13:15,147 --> 01:13:16,947
Speaker 5: the bench, and I think he might have even seen

1404
01:13:17,027 --> 01:13:20,867
Speaker 5: Ruben Love if he was fit get a chance next week.

1405
01:13:20,907 --> 01:13:22,747
Speaker 5: Of course, this all comes down to this afternoon. If

1406
01:13:22,747 --> 01:13:26,387
Speaker 5: the All Blacks lose, then the Hatchers will be battened

1407
01:13:26,427 --> 01:13:29,427
Speaker 5: down and it'll probably be the same or similar team

1408
01:13:29,507 --> 01:13:32,467
Speaker 5: to this week. The first choice players rolled out in Wellington,

1409
01:13:32,587 --> 01:13:35,347
Speaker 5: so very much dependent on how this week goes, but

1410
01:13:35,387 --> 01:13:37,187
Speaker 5: it does give them a little bit of a license

1411
01:13:37,227 --> 01:13:40,027
Speaker 5: to change things around. You mentioned Daniel McKenzie that the

1412
01:13:40,107 --> 01:13:42,467
Speaker 5: run of starts he's had eight straight to day at

1413
01:13:42,507 --> 01:13:46,067
Speaker 5: ten ardis v as well and maybe even next week

1414
01:13:46,067 --> 01:13:48,747
Speaker 5: it possibly looms as a farewell to t J Pettina

1415
01:13:49,187 --> 01:13:52,587
Speaker 5: in the Capital city. You know, interesting to see how

1416
01:13:52,627 --> 01:13:54,227
Speaker 5: half that goes on the end of U tour with

1417
01:13:54,627 --> 01:13:57,027
Speaker 5: Cam Willing due to be back soon. So there's all

1418
01:13:57,067 --> 01:13:58,947
Speaker 5: sorts of little things and tweaks they could do, but

1419
01:13:59,267 --> 01:14:02,547
Speaker 5: very much incumbent on how they perform this afternoon here

1420
01:14:02,547 --> 01:14:03,067
Speaker 5: in Sydney.

1421
01:14:03,147 --> 01:14:06,667
Speaker 2: For many reasons. A fascinating Test match awaits and Sydney

1422
01:14:06,707 --> 01:14:08,747
Speaker 2: this afternoon, and have a great call Elliott, Great to chatters.

1423
01:14:08,747 --> 01:14:11,347
Speaker 2: Always cheers Bind me Catch you soon, Catch you soon, Elliott,

1424
01:14:11,347 --> 01:14:13,027
Speaker 2: catch you on the radio soon in about four hours.

1425
01:14:13,067 --> 01:14:15,787
Speaker 2: Actually that's when the commentary will be underway. Our build

1426
01:14:15,827 --> 01:14:17,747
Speaker 2: up starts just after the five o'clock news Here on

1427
01:14:17,747 --> 01:14:20,467
Speaker 2: News Talks, heeddb Elliott Smith and Gregor Paul with the

1428
01:14:20,467 --> 01:14:23,307
Speaker 2: call live and free here on News Talks, He'd be

1429
01:14:23,387 --> 01:14:27,547
Speaker 2: and also on Gold Sport and via iHeartRadio seventeen to two.

1430
01:14:27,587 --> 01:14:29,307
Speaker 2: Will they actually get you back to Sydney in just

1431
01:14:29,347 --> 01:14:31,907
Speaker 2: a moment? Our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock.

1432
01:14:32,027 --> 01:14:35,867
Speaker 1: Right after this the Tough Questions off the Turf Weekend

1433
01:14:35,947 --> 01:14:40,147
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's most

1434
01:14:40,187 --> 01:14:42,067
Speaker 1: trusted home builder, News Talks.

1435
01:14:41,947 --> 01:14:45,587
Speaker 2: V fourteen away from two in the final minute of

1436
01:14:45,627 --> 01:14:48,387
Speaker 2: the first half in farga day where North Harbor have

1437
01:14:48,427 --> 01:14:51,547
Speaker 2: brought it back to fourteen twelve against the home side Northland.

1438
01:14:51,547 --> 01:14:55,387
Speaker 2: Northland fourteen Harbor twelve approaching the end of the first

1439
01:14:55,387 --> 01:14:58,987
Speaker 2: half in this Bunnings NPC match. Great to welcome back

1440
01:14:58,987 --> 01:15:02,427
Speaker 2: to Weekend Sport. Our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock has been

1441
01:15:02,427 --> 01:15:04,427
Speaker 2: away for the last two or three weeks but back

1442
01:15:04,507 --> 01:15:07,147
Speaker 2: now and in Sydney where the Wallaby's take on the

1443
01:15:07,147 --> 01:15:09,787
Speaker 2: All Blacks this afternoon. Maybe you can give us a

1444
01:15:09,827 --> 01:15:12,067
Speaker 2: weather report. First of all, Adam, how's the weather there?

1445
01:15:13,387 --> 01:15:16,147
Speaker 16: Biney gay, I'm great to be back to chatting with you.

1446
01:15:16,307 --> 01:15:20,267
Speaker 16: It could not be better. There is the most perfect

1447
01:15:20,827 --> 01:15:24,587
Speaker 16: canvas to play running rugby. It's just to question these

1448
01:15:24,627 --> 01:15:27,707
Speaker 16: two teams coming up against each other whether they're bloody

1449
01:15:27,707 --> 01:15:30,307
Speaker 16: good enough to play running rugby, and well I saw,

1450
01:15:30,507 --> 01:15:33,147
Speaker 16: I'm sure they'll get the opportunity. It's a dry day,

1451
01:15:33,427 --> 01:15:35,747
Speaker 16: it's twenty three degrees, it's not too hot, it's not

1452
01:15:35,827 --> 01:15:38,707
Speaker 16: too cold, there's no win. The track out there at

1453
01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:43,347
Speaker 16: the Old Olympic Stadium is perfect, so yeah, hopefully now

1454
01:15:43,587 --> 01:15:46,347
Speaker 16: it's over to the two sets of fifteenth out there

1455
01:15:46,387 --> 01:15:47,547
Speaker 16: to give us a show.

1456
01:15:47,827 --> 01:15:50,027
Speaker 2: How helptimistic do you feel that the Wallabies can beat

1457
01:15:50,027 --> 01:15:50,827
Speaker 2: the Old Blacks today?

1458
01:15:51,907 --> 01:15:53,827
Speaker 13: Not very.

1459
01:15:54,707 --> 01:15:56,307
Speaker 16: I got to be honest. I mean, what happened in

1460
01:15:56,387 --> 01:16:01,947
Speaker 16: Argentina it was just paranormal almost. It was just so

1461
01:16:01,987 --> 01:16:04,747
Speaker 16: odd that you lead a game like that and play

1462
01:16:04,787 --> 01:16:07,547
Speaker 16: some pretty good stuff and grind out a victory that

1463
01:16:08,147 --> 01:16:10,387
Speaker 16: the week before and against the really tough opposition as

1464
01:16:10,427 --> 01:16:12,587
Speaker 16: you guys know over there after what happened about a

1465
01:16:12,587 --> 01:16:15,747
Speaker 16: month ago and then serve that up for the for

1466
01:16:15,787 --> 01:16:18,627
Speaker 16: the balance of the game. It's you know, it's it

1467
01:16:19,107 --> 01:16:21,307
Speaker 16: does feel like one step forward, two steps back. But

1468
01:16:21,627 --> 01:16:25,147
Speaker 16: in a general sense, I do feel like this what's

1469
01:16:25,187 --> 01:16:28,707
Speaker 16: on the horizon for Ugby in Australia with Alliance and

1470
01:16:28,747 --> 01:16:33,307
Speaker 16: then home World Cup. It's it's given, it's galvanized the

1471
01:16:33,427 --> 01:16:35,947
Speaker 16: organization a bit. So I do know of if field

1472
01:16:35,947 --> 01:16:38,707
Speaker 16: appointments that are going on, and they're attracting good people

1473
01:16:38,747 --> 01:16:42,347
Speaker 16: with the organization and now it's up to and they're

1474
01:16:42,387 --> 01:16:44,827
Speaker 16: making the tough cause but they see the right course

1475
01:16:44,867 --> 01:16:47,027
Speaker 16: with a thing like the word Melbourne revel. So this

1476
01:16:47,107 --> 01:16:49,907
Speaker 16: afternoon is just another another little step. Whether it's a

1477
01:16:49,907 --> 01:16:52,627
Speaker 16: back one of sideways one or a forward one remains

1478
01:16:52,667 --> 01:16:54,867
Speaker 16: to be seen. But yeah, it should be a good,

1479
01:16:55,067 --> 01:16:57,347
Speaker 16: good occasion out there and hopefully they near enough for it,

1480
01:16:57,467 --> 01:17:01,547
Speaker 16: and yeah, Broke we can kind of get back on

1481
01:17:01,747 --> 01:17:04,107
Speaker 16: track with with the general sporting public.

1482
01:17:04,747 --> 01:17:08,347
Speaker 2: Well suddenly is the scene of the Australasian sporting universe.

1483
01:17:08,387 --> 01:17:12,827
Speaker 2: This weekend NRL semi Finals ahead of the preliminary finals

1484
01:17:12,867 --> 01:17:16,667
Speaker 2: next week. Last night at Elian's Sharks twenty six Cowboys eighteen,

1485
01:17:16,747 --> 01:17:20,427
Speaker 2: same venue tonight. I think Roosters against your Manly Sea Eagles,

1486
01:17:20,427 --> 01:17:21,147
Speaker 2: are you at chance?

1487
01:17:22,387 --> 01:17:25,907
Speaker 16: We're a chance? But I just fear that our best player,

1488
01:17:26,107 --> 01:17:28,667
Speaker 16: and when he's one hundred percent fit, I generally believe

1489
01:17:28,667 --> 01:17:31,747
Speaker 16: he's the best player in the competition. Tom Droovich, he's

1490
01:17:31,747 --> 01:17:33,507
Speaker 16: not one hundred percent. He's got an MCL, he's got

1491
01:17:33,507 --> 01:17:36,067
Speaker 16: a shoulder problem. He's probably, I reckon in the range

1492
01:17:36,107 --> 01:17:38,547
Speaker 16: of fifty to sixty percent fit. So that's going to

1493
01:17:38,627 --> 01:17:42,387
Speaker 16: make it tough. Our major strike, our Manly's major strike weapon.

1494
01:17:42,907 --> 01:17:45,507
Speaker 16: It can't be what he can be. So how do

1495
01:17:45,547 --> 01:17:48,747
Speaker 16: they get around that? After a pretty brutal semifinal last

1496
01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:53,107
Speaker 16: week against the Dogs who were so valiant in defeat,

1497
01:17:53,907 --> 01:17:55,987
Speaker 16: I'm against the Rooster's team who were embarrassed the first

1498
01:17:55,987 --> 01:17:59,187
Speaker 16: twenty minutes against Penrith, who are the benchmarks still remained

1499
01:17:59,187 --> 01:18:03,227
Speaker 16: the benchmark in rugby league. So painting all that picture

1500
01:18:03,267 --> 01:18:05,787
Speaker 16: for you, Pineer, it paints a bleak one from a

1501
01:18:05,827 --> 01:18:07,787
Speaker 16: Manly per active, but it still should be a pretty

1502
01:18:07,787 --> 01:18:11,067
Speaker 16: good game for the reasons advertised above. The conditions will

1503
01:18:11,107 --> 01:18:13,547
Speaker 16: be great and they'll be able to chuck the ball

1504
01:18:13,587 --> 01:18:16,027
Speaker 16: around and mainly like doing that, so they might cause

1505
01:18:16,027 --> 01:18:17,947
Speaker 16: the Ruses a few issues, but I expect the russ

1506
01:18:17,987 --> 01:18:20,867
Speaker 16: to go through. Last time, I expected the Sharks to

1507
01:18:20,907 --> 01:18:22,667
Speaker 16: go through. They got the wobbly boots on. But really,

1508
01:18:22,667 --> 01:18:24,267
Speaker 16: what are they playing for. They're playing for the right

1509
01:18:24,347 --> 01:18:26,307
Speaker 16: to be beaten by Penrith and Melbourne on paper next

1510
01:18:26,307 --> 01:18:27,827
Speaker 16: week to get into the Grand Final.

1511
01:18:27,867 --> 01:18:28,427
Speaker 13: So we'll see.

1512
01:18:28,547 --> 01:18:31,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just feels like, I don't know, you can't

1513
01:18:31,107 --> 01:18:33,387
Speaker 2: put Melbourne and Penrith into the Grand Final already, but

1514
01:18:33,387 --> 01:18:34,827
Speaker 2: it feels like in a couple of weeks that's the

1515
01:18:34,867 --> 01:18:37,547
Speaker 2: scenario we're going to be faced with. Anyway, that's all

1516
01:18:37,587 --> 01:18:41,947
Speaker 2: to come. Last night, also at the scg AFL preliminary finals,

1517
01:18:42,147 --> 01:18:44,747
Speaker 2: Sydney Swan's ninety five, port Adela fifty nine. So this

1518
01:18:44,827 --> 01:18:47,507
Speaker 2: one's far too strong now it's too long against Brisbane

1519
01:18:47,747 --> 01:18:51,427
Speaker 2: late this afternoon in the other semi so we could

1520
01:18:51,507 --> 01:18:54,947
Speaker 2: have two non Victorian teams in the Grand Final if

1521
01:18:54,987 --> 01:18:55,547
Speaker 2: the Lions win.

1522
01:18:55,667 --> 01:18:55,827
Speaker 15: Year.

1523
01:18:56,947 --> 01:19:00,547
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, it has happened on the odd occasion. Happened

1524
01:19:00,667 --> 01:19:03,307
Speaker 16: a lot around twenty years ago. I mean Port played

1525
01:19:03,347 --> 01:19:05,507
Speaker 16: Brisbane in a Grand five. Port Adelaid played Brisbane in

1526
01:19:05,507 --> 01:19:08,067
Speaker 16: a Grand final. Sydney are playing West Coast and back

1527
01:19:08,067 --> 01:19:09,827
Speaker 16: to back ground final, so it doesn't lose the sense

1528
01:19:09,867 --> 01:19:12,027
Speaker 16: of occasion. I still have one hundred thousand people there,

1529
01:19:12,427 --> 01:19:15,747
Speaker 16: but it does speak to the power shift, even though

1530
01:19:15,747 --> 01:19:19,267
Speaker 16: people in Melbourne still believe that the universe revolves around

1531
01:19:19,307 --> 01:19:23,027
Speaker 16: AFL footy in Melbourne. I mean Mark Robinson, respected journo.

1532
01:19:23,387 --> 01:19:25,187
Speaker 16: He was on television through the week. He said something

1533
01:19:25,227 --> 01:19:27,867
Speaker 16: absolutely crazy. He said, You're going to have forty thousand

1534
01:19:27,867 --> 01:19:30,787
Speaker 16: there in Sydney on Friday night and I can see

1535
01:19:30,787 --> 01:19:34,027
Speaker 16: in my lifetime AFL killing off Rugby League in Sydney.

1536
01:19:34,507 --> 01:19:38,067
Speaker 16: Now that is one of the more stupid Like that's

1537
01:19:38,147 --> 01:19:42,427
Speaker 16: like saying the twenty forty two World Cup in football

1538
01:19:42,547 --> 01:19:48,107
Speaker 16: will be held on Pluto. That is just ridiculous. But

1539
01:19:48,187 --> 01:19:51,147
Speaker 16: it speaks of what Melbourne people think of AFL footy.

1540
01:19:51,227 --> 01:19:53,267
Speaker 16: It's like, oh, yeah, it's great we have this national competition,

1541
01:19:53,627 --> 01:19:55,867
Speaker 16: but we run the world. We're the best type things.

1542
01:19:55,907 --> 01:19:58,627
Speaker 16: So you know, people from outside of Melbourne will be

1543
01:19:58,707 --> 01:20:02,107
Speaker 16: quite you know, like a little smirk on the face

1544
01:20:02,427 --> 01:20:04,987
Speaker 16: if it's a non Victorian Grand Final. But we'll find

1545
01:20:04,987 --> 01:20:08,187
Speaker 16: out this afternoon of ours time. I think it's a

1546
01:20:08,227 --> 01:20:10,027
Speaker 16: five o'clock bounce at mc gelong.

1547
01:20:10,067 --> 01:20:10,427
Speaker 15: Are great.

1548
01:20:11,347 --> 01:20:13,867
Speaker 16: They're just so consistent and impressment. Have done well to

1549
01:20:13,907 --> 01:20:15,747
Speaker 16: get to this stage, so it should be a buddy

1550
01:20:15,747 --> 01:20:16,467
Speaker 16: good game of footy.

1551
01:20:16,507 --> 01:20:18,307
Speaker 2: Great deavvy back on the radio, Adam. We'll do it

1552
01:20:18,307 --> 01:20:19,027
Speaker 2: again next Saturday.

1553
01:20:19,387 --> 01:20:19,707
Speaker 16: How's good?

1554
01:20:19,787 --> 01:20:22,787
Speaker 2: Thanks Pinny, Thanks Adam. Adam Peacock our Australian correspondent around

1555
01:20:22,827 --> 01:20:26,347
Speaker 2: this time every Saturday afternoon, just on eight to two.

1556
01:20:26,347 --> 01:20:28,827
Speaker 2: Good A Pinty says this text. I remember the John

1557
01:20:28,827 --> 01:20:31,547
Speaker 2: Eels penalty in two thousand very well. I was an

1558
01:20:31,587 --> 01:20:34,787
Speaker 2: East teamor on a United Nations deployment. We were camped with

1559
01:20:34,827 --> 01:20:37,707
Speaker 2: a bunch of Australian troops. We'd arranged for satellite coverage

1560
01:20:37,707 --> 01:20:39,907
Speaker 2: of the game on TV and the messed tent was packed.

1561
01:20:39,947 --> 01:20:42,587
Speaker 2: When the game started. I had a wager with my

1562
01:20:42,707 --> 01:20:45,827
Speaker 2: contemporary from the Australian Defense Force on the outcome of

1563
01:20:45,867 --> 01:20:49,427
Speaker 2: the game. The loser had to cover the night century

1564
01:20:49,547 --> 01:20:52,267
Speaker 2: duty of the winner for a week. I had a

1565
01:20:52,267 --> 01:20:54,747
Speaker 2: lot of time to reflect on the folly of gambling

1566
01:20:54,787 --> 01:20:57,547
Speaker 2: on sporting events. For the next week. Between the hours

1567
01:20:57,547 --> 01:21:02,027
Speaker 2: of two and four am brilliant story seven and a

1568
01:21:02,067 --> 01:21:03,187
Speaker 2: half to two back after.

1569
01:21:03,027 --> 01:21:05,987
Speaker 1: This, when it's down to the line, you mate a

1570
01:21:06,067 --> 01:21:09,747
Speaker 1: call on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Spots with

1571
01:21:09,947 --> 01:21:11,347
Speaker 1: Jason Hine, News.

1572
01:21:11,107 --> 01:21:13,787
Speaker 2: Talks V four and a half away from two man

1573
01:21:13,867 --> 01:21:16,067
Speaker 2: the afternoon is flying, going to pivot away from the

1574
01:21:16,107 --> 01:21:18,587
Speaker 2: rugby a little bit after two o'clock. Don't forget how

1575
01:21:18,627 --> 01:21:20,987
Speaker 2: built up begins to the Bladislode Cup Test just after

1576
01:21:20,987 --> 01:21:23,387
Speaker 2: the five o'clock news here on News Talks dB with

1577
01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:27,267
Speaker 2: a five forty five kickoff time scheduled for Sydney, but

1578
01:21:27,307 --> 01:21:29,867
Speaker 2: after two confirmation this week that the Commonwealth Games are

1579
01:21:29,907 --> 01:21:31,467
Speaker 2: going to go ahead in Glasgow next year.

1580
01:21:31,707 --> 01:21:31,787
Speaker 6: No.

1581
01:21:31,987 --> 01:21:34,907
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six, twenty twenty six, they are, but they'll

1582
01:21:34,947 --> 01:21:38,467
Speaker 2: be scaled back with a reported ten sports now that

1583
01:21:38,507 --> 01:21:41,307
Speaker 2: compares to nearly twice that many in Birmingham a couple

1584
01:21:41,347 --> 01:21:44,587
Speaker 2: of years ago. Netball will it make the cut and

1585
01:21:44,627 --> 01:21:47,507
Speaker 2: how important is it to netball that it does make

1586
01:21:47,547 --> 01:21:51,067
Speaker 2: the cut? Silver Ferns coach Dame Noline Todor joins us

1587
01:21:51,067 --> 01:21:52,747
Speaker 2: after two to have a chat about that the new

1588
01:21:52,787 --> 01:21:55,907
Speaker 2: Australian National Basketball League season underway. The Breakers take on

1589
01:21:55,947 --> 01:21:59,067
Speaker 2: the Bullets tonight in their first game it's a very

1590
01:21:59,187 --> 01:22:01,907
Speaker 2: very different looking team from last year, whole bunch of

1591
01:22:01,907 --> 01:22:05,827
Speaker 2: new faces, but Parker Jackson Cartwright, the outstanding breakers play

1592
01:22:05,827 --> 01:22:08,227
Speaker 2: from las year, is still there. He'll chat to us

1593
01:22:08,307 --> 01:22:11,747
Speaker 2: after two o'clock. And the anniversary the twentieth anniversary of

1594
01:22:11,787 --> 01:22:14,667
Speaker 2: the wheel Blacks winning gold at the Paralympic Games in

1595
01:22:14,707 --> 01:22:17,947
Speaker 2: two thousand and four. It's being celebrated this weekend. We'll

1596
01:22:17,947 --> 01:22:19,587
Speaker 2: talk to the coach after two.

1597
01:22:20,427 --> 01:22:24,707
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1598
01:22:25,347 --> 01:22:30,347
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1599
01:22:30,387 --> 01:22:34,187
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Lame on your home of sport

1600
01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:35,547
Speaker 1: News Talk sed B.

1601
01:22:37,307 --> 01:22:38,027
Speaker 5: SO seven.

1602
01:22:38,667 --> 01:22:40,627
Speaker 2: Welcome into the show, Welcome back to the show. Look,

1603
01:22:40,667 --> 01:22:42,947
Speaker 2: we're just happy to have you here. I'm Jason Pine

1604
01:22:42,987 --> 01:22:45,467
Speaker 2: Mark Kelly as producing today. We're here for another hour

1605
01:22:45,587 --> 01:22:48,627
Speaker 2: or so back after five for build up towards the

1606
01:22:48,667 --> 01:22:51,467
Speaker 2: blurta slow cup Test five forty five kickoff. Elliot Smith

1607
01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:53,547
Speaker 2: has the call for your life here on News Talk

1608
01:22:53,627 --> 01:22:56,867
Speaker 2: zed Beat. So we're going to pivot away from the

1609
01:22:56,947 --> 01:22:59,147
Speaker 2: rugby for the last hour of this show. We'll keep

1610
01:22:59,147 --> 01:23:02,147
Speaker 2: eyes on Bunnings MPC. Of course, there's a couple of

1611
01:23:02,187 --> 01:23:04,827
Speaker 2: games going on At the moment northwould have just scored

1612
01:23:04,867 --> 01:23:08,147
Speaker 2: another try. North only gonna beat North Harbor. What's still

1613
01:23:08,187 --> 01:23:11,707
Speaker 2: early in the second half? But here Northland the tunny

1614
01:23:11,707 --> 01:23:15,267
Speaker 2: Far giving it a red hot crack against North Harbor.

1615
01:23:15,867 --> 01:23:19,027
Speaker 2: What does that get them up to nineteen twelve ahead?

1616
01:23:19,067 --> 01:23:22,067
Speaker 2: Or is it more than that? Now twenty six twelve ahead?

1617
01:23:22,067 --> 01:23:24,347
Speaker 2: Now goodness meet twenty six to twelve ahead. Keep up

1618
01:23:24,427 --> 01:23:27,347
Speaker 2: the scoring app that I'm using, So well done the

1619
01:23:27,387 --> 01:23:28,747
Speaker 2: tunny Fars. Still a bit of time to go there,

1620
01:23:28,787 --> 01:23:30,347
Speaker 2: only six and a half gone second half. They lead

1621
01:23:30,507 --> 01:23:33,707
Speaker 2: North Harbour twenty six points to twelve to the Tunny Far.

1622
01:23:33,787 --> 01:23:36,587
Speaker 2: The other game going on as Canterbury County's manico at

1623
01:23:37,427 --> 01:23:40,427
Speaker 2: what's it called now? Apollo Projects Stadium in christ Church

1624
01:23:40,467 --> 01:23:43,747
Speaker 2: is at the name of it it is, I'm reliably

1625
01:23:43,787 --> 01:23:47,387
Speaker 2: informed Nillell after two minutes down there three point thirty

1626
01:23:47,387 --> 01:23:51,387
Speaker 2: this afternoon Berg game Sky Stadium, Wellington Lions. Bay of

1627
01:23:51,427 --> 01:23:54,587
Speaker 2: Plenty Steamers can't wait for that one. Divided loyalties here

1628
01:23:54,587 --> 01:23:57,507
Speaker 2: in the news talks head B Weekend Sports Studio with

1629
01:23:58,067 --> 01:24:01,187
Speaker 2: Mark Kelly. Perhaps the Bay of Plenty Steamers biggest fan

1630
01:24:02,227 --> 01:24:04,347
Speaker 2: against the team that I live in the same city here,

1631
01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:06,227
Speaker 2: so we'll look forward to that at three thirty. Thankfully,

1632
01:24:06,667 --> 01:24:08,427
Speaker 2: Mark and I'll be off the air by that stage

1633
01:24:08,547 --> 01:24:10,787
Speaker 2: and able to just watch the game separate from one another.

1634
01:24:11,547 --> 01:24:13,227
Speaker 2: This hour, what have we got coming up for you,

1635
01:24:13,347 --> 01:24:17,467
Speaker 2: Dame Noline, Todoa is just around the corner. Netball It's

1636
01:24:17,987 --> 01:24:20,947
Speaker 2: place in the Commonwealth Games in twenty twenty six is

1637
01:24:20,987 --> 01:24:23,707
Speaker 2: not assured. In fact, the only two sports that are

1638
01:24:23,747 --> 01:24:28,147
Speaker 2: assured are swimming and athletics. So will netball be there?

1639
01:24:28,187 --> 01:24:31,147
Speaker 2: And how important is it to the Silver Ferns that

1640
01:24:31,227 --> 01:24:34,227
Speaker 2: it is? Dave Noline on that Shortly, we'll also talk

1641
01:24:34,267 --> 01:24:36,667
Speaker 2: some basketball. Parker Jackson cut right out of the breakers

1642
01:24:37,227 --> 01:24:40,547
Speaker 2: and looking forward to finding out about the twenty year

1643
01:24:40,907 --> 01:24:44,507
Speaker 2: celebration for the wheel Blacks. They won Paralympic gold in

1644
01:24:44,627 --> 01:24:47,187
Speaker 2: Athens in two thousand and four. Most of the team

1645
01:24:47,187 --> 01:24:50,067
Speaker 2: are back together this weekend, causing trouble in the Auckland region,

1646
01:24:50,267 --> 01:24:52,467
Speaker 2: but their coaches Grant Sham and he said that he'll

1647
01:24:52,507 --> 01:24:55,067
Speaker 2: take a call from us to reminisce a bit before

1648
01:24:55,187 --> 01:24:58,467
Speaker 2: the end of the hour, your causing correspondents continue to

1649
01:24:58,547 --> 01:25:01,787
Speaker 2: be welcomed our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine

1650
01:25:01,827 --> 01:25:04,787
Speaker 2: two ninety two on text, but with the time at

1651
01:25:04,947 --> 01:25:07,427
Speaker 2: nine past two, as we all do at around about

1652
01:25:07,427 --> 01:25:10,307
Speaker 2: this time on weekend sport, the music will tell you

1653
01:25:10,467 --> 01:25:12,867
Speaker 2: that it's time to catch you up on things that

1654
01:25:13,027 --> 01:25:16,827
Speaker 2: perhaps you may not have been aware of. In case you, mister,

1655
01:25:16,907 --> 01:25:18,907
Speaker 2: that is the name of the feature, starting with the

1656
01:25:18,947 --> 01:25:22,867
Speaker 2: bunning MPC and a points fest to start round seven,

1657
01:25:23,187 --> 01:25:27,867
Speaker 2: Paranaky up to fifth after monstering Hawks Bay and Napier.

1658
01:25:27,627 --> 01:25:31,467
Speaker 17: Lord Away to Tikoi Solomony out on that right wing

1659
01:25:31,547 --> 01:25:33,587
Speaker 17: touchline side chutting Chapers.

1660
01:25:34,227 --> 01:25:37,787
Speaker 13: It's the halfback Adam Lennox, and Lenox.

1661
01:25:37,707 --> 01:25:42,587
Speaker 2: Has scored nine tries in a sixty three to nineteen demolition.

1662
01:25:42,747 --> 01:25:46,307
Speaker 2: What has happened to the Magpie? They were five from five,

1663
01:25:46,427 --> 01:25:48,787
Speaker 2: then they lost the shield and now they've shipped fifty

1664
01:25:48,827 --> 01:25:52,387
Speaker 2: points in consecutive weeks. All is not well up there,

1665
01:25:52,427 --> 01:25:54,067
Speaker 2: Mac of the Magpie, and it's a text tell us

1666
01:25:54,067 --> 01:25:56,107
Speaker 2: what's going on? The black Caps. Meantime, on the back

1667
01:25:56,107 --> 01:25:58,827
Speaker 2: foot at stumps on day three of the opening cricket

1668
01:25:58,867 --> 01:26:02,387
Speaker 2: Test against Sri Lanka in Gaul, the lines two thirty

1669
01:26:02,387 --> 01:26:04,347
Speaker 2: seven for four in their second innings. That's a healthy

1670
01:26:04,427 --> 01:26:06,947
Speaker 2: lead of over two hundred heading into the day today.

1671
01:26:06,987 --> 01:26:09,467
Speaker 2: Willow Rourk though, gave New Zealand some hope with a

1672
01:26:09,467 --> 01:26:10,827
Speaker 2: couple of wickets late in the day.

1673
01:26:12,907 --> 01:26:14,387
Speaker 6: Gone brilliant.

1674
01:26:15,107 --> 01:26:19,747
Speaker 17: Oh good, it was a delayed position to get that.

1675
01:26:19,787 --> 01:26:20,907
Speaker 2: Leg slip in place.

1676
01:26:23,227 --> 01:26:24,027
Speaker 3: Edge gone.

1677
01:26:24,027 --> 01:26:24,827
Speaker 5: That's a big one.

1678
01:26:25,907 --> 01:26:26,107
Speaker 7: Night.

1679
01:26:26,627 --> 01:26:30,667
Speaker 2: New Zealand got bang, bang and bang opening weekend in

1680
01:26:30,667 --> 01:26:33,947
Speaker 2: the Australian National Basketball League. All teams are in Western

1681
01:26:33,987 --> 01:26:36,507
Speaker 2: Australia for a bit of a festival to open the season.

1682
01:26:36,547 --> 01:26:40,547
Speaker 2: The Perth Wildcats enjoying some home court advantage cottage another

1683
01:26:40,627 --> 01:26:46,667
Speaker 2: one my three points for John who is storinging them

1684
01:26:46,667 --> 01:26:49,747
Speaker 2: along tonight. Yeah brilliant from Bryce Cotton Twenty six points

1685
01:26:49,787 --> 01:26:52,667
Speaker 2: and a one six ninety eight win over the Southeast

1686
01:26:52,707 --> 01:26:57,387
Speaker 2: Melbourne Phoenix. The first AFL Grand finalist has been found.

1687
01:26:57,387 --> 01:27:00,747
Speaker 2: The Sydney Swans far too good for Port Adelaide at

1688
01:27:00,787 --> 01:27:02,147
Speaker 2: the SCG last night and.

1689
01:27:02,267 --> 01:27:10,707
Speaker 3: This noise, when this siren sounds, will be enormous. Here

1690
01:27:13,427 --> 01:27:18,427
Speaker 3: they're true to the Grand Final in a shot at

1691
01:27:18,467 --> 01:27:21,147
Speaker 3: their sixth flag all the season.

1692
01:27:21,187 --> 01:27:24,147
Speaker 2: This has been for the Sydneys once ninety five fifty

1693
01:27:24,227 --> 01:27:27,787
Speaker 2: nine winners. The Swans last night and a stunning display

1694
01:27:27,907 --> 01:27:31,987
Speaker 2: by halves, Brighton Trindle and Nico Hines, propelling the Cronulla

1695
01:27:32,147 --> 01:27:35,227
Speaker 2: Sharks to a twenty six eighteen win over the Cowboys

1696
01:27:35,227 --> 01:27:38,947
Speaker 2: in Sydney last night, sending them into a preliminary final

1697
01:27:38,987 --> 01:27:43,507
Speaker 2: against the Panthers Cronulla twenty tunil up at halftime. Yeah, Trindle,

1698
01:27:43,787 --> 01:27:44,747
Speaker 2: what's that one high?

1699
01:27:44,867 --> 01:27:49,427
Speaker 6: Let's look at the contest. It's with Raymian still.

1700
01:27:49,147 --> 01:27:53,147
Speaker 2: The last tidy that's Breda.

1701
01:27:53,347 --> 01:27:54,627
Speaker 5: Trindle's gonta tumble?

1702
01:27:55,227 --> 01:27:57,627
Speaker 10: What tiy from the Sharks?

1703
01:27:58,267 --> 01:28:04,667
Speaker 5: Trindle, you're a the time run out of the store.

1704
01:28:06,947 --> 01:28:09,867
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest fourse issues on

1705
01:28:10,227 --> 01:28:14,187
Speaker 1: and after fields. It's all on weekend Foard with Jason

1706
01:28:14,227 --> 01:28:15,867
Speaker 1: Vane on your home.

1707
01:28:18,467 --> 01:28:21,147
Speaker 2: Just on twelve and a half past two. Confirmation this

1708
01:28:21,187 --> 01:28:24,427
Speaker 2: week that the Commonwealth Games will go ahead in Glasgow

1709
01:28:24,507 --> 01:28:27,307
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, the Scottish city stepping into the

1710
01:28:27,347 --> 01:28:30,987
Speaker 2: breach after the Australian state of Victoria reneged on their

1711
01:28:31,027 --> 01:28:34,507
Speaker 2: hosting of the Games due to rising costs. But it'll

1712
01:28:34,547 --> 01:28:38,627
Speaker 2: be a scaled down event with a reported ten sports

1713
01:28:38,987 --> 01:28:41,987
Speaker 2: compared to nearly twice that many in Birmingham a couple

1714
01:28:42,027 --> 01:28:44,787
Speaker 2: of years ago. Now the Silver Ferns have meddled at

1715
01:28:44,827 --> 01:28:48,587
Speaker 2: all but one of their seven appearances at the Commonwealth Games.

1716
01:28:48,707 --> 01:28:51,147
Speaker 2: They won gold in two thousand and six and again

1717
01:28:51,187 --> 01:28:54,067
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, and after a fourth placed finish on

1718
01:28:54,107 --> 01:28:56,707
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast in twenty eighteen, they were back on

1719
01:28:56,787 --> 01:28:58,907
Speaker 2: the podium in Birmingham.

1720
01:28:58,547 --> 01:28:59,187
Speaker 18: New Zealand.

1721
01:28:59,427 --> 01:29:01,787
Speaker 10: When the bronze medal in Birmingham and.

1722
01:29:01,827 --> 01:29:05,507
Speaker 12: The black dresses rush off the benchers to embrace.

1723
01:29:05,107 --> 01:29:09,507
Speaker 3: Their teammates, they've done it fifty five to forty eight.

1724
01:29:10,147 --> 01:29:13,667
Speaker 2: The bronze medal belongs to New Zealand. Coach of the

1725
01:29:13,707 --> 01:29:16,587
Speaker 2: Silver Ferns is Dame Noline Toto, who joins us now.

1726
01:29:16,747 --> 01:29:18,867
Speaker 2: Dave Nolin, thanks for your time to chat about this.

1727
01:29:19,227 --> 01:29:22,107
Speaker 2: How important is it to you and the Silver Ferns

1728
01:29:22,107 --> 01:29:25,267
Speaker 2: and the Elite netball program here that netball continues to

1729
01:29:25,307 --> 01:29:28,787
Speaker 2: be a part of the Commonwealth Games and is specifically

1730
01:29:28,827 --> 01:29:31,547
Speaker 2: included in the program for twenty twenty six.

1731
01:29:32,547 --> 01:29:32,747
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1732
01:29:32,747 --> 01:29:35,827
Speaker 18: Look, for us, it is very important because it's counted

1733
01:29:35,867 --> 01:29:39,587
Speaker 18: as a pinnacle event for US. We don't have the

1734
01:29:39,627 --> 01:29:42,907
Speaker 18: opportunity to go to the Olympics. When you're talking sort

1735
01:29:42,947 --> 01:29:46,147
Speaker 18: of pinnacle event, you're talking about funding, whether it's government

1736
01:29:46,267 --> 01:29:52,107
Speaker 18: organization connection or your opportunity to showcase your own sports.

1737
01:29:52,147 --> 01:29:55,507
Speaker 18: So Commonwealth Games has already been one of our biggest

1738
01:29:55,507 --> 01:30:00,267
Speaker 18: obviously because netball is played majority by Commonwealth countries, so

1739
01:30:00,307 --> 01:30:02,427
Speaker 18: it's massive to hear that it's still going ahead.

1740
01:30:02,907 --> 01:30:06,307
Speaker 2: How confident do you feel that netball will be included

1741
01:30:06,787 --> 01:30:08,187
Speaker 2: in the program for Glasgow?

1742
01:30:09,107 --> 01:30:12,347
Speaker 18: Yeah, look, we're still waiting for that confirmation around. The

1743
01:30:12,467 --> 01:30:16,267
Speaker 18: thing that we're really happy about is that Glasgow or

1744
01:30:16,307 --> 01:30:20,867
Speaker 18: Scotland sorry, and the European countries, whether it's Island, Wales

1745
01:30:20,907 --> 01:30:25,107
Speaker 18: and also England are really strong in netball and so

1746
01:30:25,267 --> 01:30:28,547
Speaker 18: we're sort of relying on that profile of netball, which

1747
01:30:28,587 --> 01:30:31,347
Speaker 18: is why we think that netball will be still involved

1748
01:30:31,347 --> 01:30:35,707
Speaker 18: with Commonwealth Games. Still waiting to hear if that's definitely

1749
01:30:35,747 --> 01:30:38,307
Speaker 18: going to be it, but fingers crossed that it will be.

1750
01:30:38,547 --> 01:30:40,947
Speaker 2: Do you feel like precedents should be given in some

1751
01:30:40,987 --> 01:30:45,467
Speaker 2: way in this unique situation to non Olympic sports sports

1752
01:30:45,507 --> 01:30:48,347
Speaker 2: like yourselves and lawn bowls, where where the Commonwealth Games

1753
01:30:48,507 --> 01:30:49,747
Speaker 2: is a pinnacle event.

1754
01:30:51,067 --> 01:30:53,907
Speaker 18: Yeah, look, I understand, you know, like people going okay,

1755
01:30:54,147 --> 01:30:57,307
Speaker 18: main event is the Olympics, you know, so I can

1756
01:30:57,427 --> 01:31:01,027
Speaker 18: understand that, but not all sports are involved in Olympics,

1757
01:31:01,067 --> 01:31:03,787
Speaker 18: you know, and that landscape is starting to change. I

1758
01:31:03,867 --> 01:31:07,747
Speaker 18: think we think of breakdancing now, you know, export or

1759
01:31:07,907 --> 01:31:10,547
Speaker 18: you know, whatever that may be. Even that is starting

1760
01:31:10,547 --> 01:31:14,907
Speaker 18: to change as well. So we're happy that it's going ahead.

1761
01:31:14,987 --> 01:31:21,027
Speaker 18: I understand from countries how expensive it is and you

1762
01:31:21,067 --> 01:31:24,227
Speaker 18: know probably why Victoria pulled out. But it's great for

1763
01:31:24,347 --> 01:31:27,227
Speaker 18: us that it's still a part of, you know, our

1764
01:31:27,267 --> 01:31:31,027
Speaker 18: ability to get out there and include or improve our profile.

1765
01:31:31,467 --> 01:31:33,627
Speaker 2: Can you have any influence on this day, Nolan? Can

1766
01:31:33,667 --> 01:31:35,547
Speaker 2: you get on the phone to somebody or Jenny Wiley

1767
01:31:35,587 --> 01:31:38,787
Speaker 2: does and try and push netball's case to the organizers

1768
01:31:38,827 --> 01:31:40,787
Speaker 2: in Glasgow or do you just have to have to

1769
01:31:40,827 --> 01:31:43,307
Speaker 2: wait until everybody else finds out along with you.

1770
01:31:44,587 --> 01:31:48,387
Speaker 18: I think it's well I as I believe, you know,

1771
01:31:48,627 --> 01:31:50,907
Speaker 18: no one's sort of known apart from the last couple

1772
01:31:50,907 --> 01:31:54,387
Speaker 18: of days, and I think everything was relying on who's

1773
01:31:54,427 --> 01:31:57,427
Speaker 18: going to support it and back it, hence Scotland being

1774
01:31:57,467 --> 01:31:59,947
Speaker 18: able to do that. And there's always things, you know,

1775
01:32:00,067 --> 01:32:03,747
Speaker 18: like politically at boys happens no matter what is to sports,

1776
01:32:03,867 --> 01:32:08,267
Speaker 18: try to promote your own sport to ensure that these

1777
01:32:08,267 --> 01:32:12,627
Speaker 18: pinnacle events go ahead. And now I'm assuming behind the scenes,

1778
01:32:12,667 --> 01:32:15,907
Speaker 18: you know that definitely will be happening for sports to

1779
01:32:16,147 --> 01:32:19,867
Speaker 18: ensure that they're part of that teen as I say,

1780
01:32:19,907 --> 01:32:21,947
Speaker 18: I think, I'm not saying we've got it, because I

1781
01:32:21,947 --> 01:32:24,787
Speaker 18: wouldn't have a clue, but there's some really positive things

1782
01:32:24,827 --> 01:32:28,267
Speaker 18: about us being involved in that part of part.

1783
01:32:28,067 --> 01:32:28,507
Speaker 9: Of the Earth.

1784
01:32:29,227 --> 01:32:31,107
Speaker 2: You were on the Silver Ferns team which won silver

1785
01:32:31,307 --> 01:32:33,467
Speaker 2: in Kauwala Lumpur in nineteen ninety eight. You're also in

1786
01:32:33,507 --> 01:32:36,667
Speaker 2: a medal at a World championship mentioned the gold medals

1787
01:32:36,667 --> 01:32:38,467
Speaker 2: that were won by the Silver Ferns and six and

1788
01:32:38,507 --> 01:32:41,227
Speaker 2: twenty ten. How do you think the Commonwealth Games compares

1789
01:32:41,227 --> 01:32:43,267
Speaker 2: to World Championships.

1790
01:32:43,627 --> 01:32:47,987
Speaker 18: Oh, look, it's always one of those. It's totally different.

1791
01:32:48,027 --> 01:32:50,227
Speaker 18: And why I say that is you're involved with other

1792
01:32:50,307 --> 01:32:54,307
Speaker 18: sports and that's probably the difference. I mean, when I

1793
01:32:54,427 --> 01:32:56,947
Speaker 18: was there in nineteen ninety eight, it was the first

1794
01:32:56,947 --> 01:32:59,867
Speaker 18: time that netball sort of took part in Commonwealth Games.

1795
01:33:00,147 --> 01:33:04,267
Speaker 18: You get appreciation from my perspective of what other athletes

1796
01:33:04,347 --> 01:33:07,227
Speaker 18: have to go through. We're very lucky, I would like

1797
01:33:07,307 --> 01:33:09,507
Speaker 18: to think, because you know, we don't have to pay

1798
01:33:09,587 --> 01:33:12,787
Speaker 18: our own way, and to some degree, some of our

1799
01:33:12,787 --> 01:33:17,307
Speaker 18: players are professional or semi professional, so you get appreciation

1800
01:33:17,507 --> 01:33:20,227
Speaker 18: of what other sports have to go through to be

1801
01:33:20,267 --> 01:33:21,147
Speaker 18: able to compete.

1802
01:33:21,787 --> 01:33:24,427
Speaker 2: And by the sounds of things, even though we'll go ahead,

1803
01:33:24,467 --> 01:33:26,227
Speaker 2: it might be scaled down in terms of the fact

1804
01:33:26,227 --> 01:33:28,187
Speaker 2: that there may not be an athlete's village. I know

1805
01:33:28,267 --> 01:33:30,547
Speaker 2: that's a big part of the Commonwealth Games and Olympic

1806
01:33:30,547 --> 01:33:33,947
Speaker 2: Games experience. Will that at all dilute the experience of

1807
01:33:34,067 --> 01:33:36,067
Speaker 2: being part of a wider New Zealand team if you

1808
01:33:36,107 --> 01:33:38,027
Speaker 2: were just sort of I guess staying by yourselves in

1809
01:33:38,067 --> 01:33:39,587
Speaker 2: a hotel.

1810
01:33:39,947 --> 01:33:43,147
Speaker 18: I think I can understand that as well. I'm probably

1811
01:33:43,267 --> 01:33:46,187
Speaker 18: because Scotland has secured it so late, and the piece

1812
01:33:46,347 --> 01:33:50,547
Speaker 18: is a lot of logistics, a lot of financial expenses

1813
01:33:50,587 --> 01:33:53,667
Speaker 18: that go when you have a village, and then obviously

1814
01:33:53,787 --> 01:33:57,187
Speaker 18: also you know, like what happened after the Commonwealth Games

1815
01:33:57,787 --> 01:34:00,547
Speaker 18: with the village, you know, you know, and I think

1816
01:34:00,587 --> 01:34:03,107
Speaker 18: that's part of the expense as well. So you know,

1817
01:34:03,187 --> 01:34:06,947
Speaker 18: we'll take what we can and we're used to anyway,

1818
01:34:07,307 --> 01:34:09,587
Speaker 18: you know, where the New Zealand I think New Zealand

1819
01:34:09,587 --> 01:34:12,267
Speaker 18: Olympic Committee are quite good in how we can keep

1820
01:34:12,307 --> 01:34:15,507
Speaker 18: that sort of atmosphere even though we may be staying

1821
01:34:16,187 --> 01:34:19,387
Speaker 18: in different places, so I'm sure they'll start to think

1822
01:34:19,427 --> 01:34:23,187
Speaker 18: of some ideas. When we were in jeez, I can't

1823
01:34:23,187 --> 01:34:25,947
Speaker 18: even remember where it was the last one, you know

1824
01:34:25,987 --> 01:34:30,107
Speaker 18: we stayed. Probably we didn't have a village as such,

1825
01:34:30,147 --> 01:34:33,547
Speaker 18: so we were staying in three different locations, but still

1826
01:34:33,547 --> 01:34:35,427
Speaker 18: the same Bible was there, which was really.

1827
01:34:35,227 --> 01:34:37,547
Speaker 2: Positive, good stuff. Well, let's hope that we get the

1828
01:34:37,987 --> 01:34:40,867
Speaker 2: correct outcome as far as netball is concerned. Just while

1829
01:34:40,867 --> 01:34:42,467
Speaker 2: I've got your busy end of the year coming up,

1830
01:34:42,467 --> 01:34:45,187
Speaker 2: of course, you got three tiny Jamison Tests against England,

1831
01:34:45,187 --> 01:34:48,667
Speaker 2: in four Constellation Cup tests against Australia. How are you feeling?

1832
01:34:48,787 --> 01:34:50,307
Speaker 2: What are we about a week out from the first

1833
01:34:50,307 --> 01:34:51,147
Speaker 2: game against England?

1834
01:34:52,187 --> 01:34:54,747
Speaker 18: Yeah, really good. We're in camp at the moment in

1835
01:34:54,827 --> 01:35:00,307
Speaker 18: Napier sort of where new players are coming in. We're

1836
01:35:00,627 --> 01:35:03,787
Speaker 18: sorting our cycle out to get to twenty twenty seven.

1837
01:35:03,947 --> 01:35:06,307
Speaker 18: So there's a we know we've got a lot of

1838
01:35:06,507 --> 01:35:10,227
Speaker 18: work to do, but there's quite nice confidence. I think.

1839
01:35:11,187 --> 01:35:13,107
Speaker 18: You know, this is the first time that we've been

1840
01:35:13,107 --> 01:35:16,747
Speaker 18: able to have camps before chests. They have five days

1841
01:35:16,827 --> 01:35:19,347
Speaker 18: under our beout before that first sort of match against

1842
01:35:19,627 --> 01:35:22,227
Speaker 18: England's going to be great for us. So really happy

1843
01:35:22,267 --> 01:35:24,307
Speaker 18: how we're currently sitting in the work that we're doing.

1844
01:35:24,507 --> 01:35:26,307
Speaker 2: All the best for that. Look forward to those games

1845
01:35:26,347 --> 01:35:28,867
Speaker 2: and look forward to having the Silver Ferns in Glasgow.

1846
01:35:29,027 --> 01:35:32,547
Speaker 2: Fingers crossed in twenty twenty six, Dave Nolan, always appreciate.

1847
01:35:32,147 --> 01:35:34,147
Speaker 18: Your time, brilliant thanks for the call.

1848
01:35:34,347 --> 01:35:36,667
Speaker 2: No, thank you for taking the call, Dave Nolin. Nolin

1849
01:35:36,747 --> 01:35:39,507
Speaker 2: Toto coach of the Silver Ferns ahead of the Tiny

1850
01:35:39,547 --> 01:35:42,667
Speaker 2: Jamison and Constellation Cup, but with more her thoughts on

1851
01:35:42,747 --> 01:35:45,507
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games and Netball's place and it clearly they

1852
01:35:45,507 --> 01:35:49,147
Speaker 2: want to be there. Clearly they do. Being a pinnacle

1853
01:35:49,227 --> 01:35:52,387
Speaker 2: event for netball I think is a big tick in

1854
01:35:52,427 --> 01:35:54,987
Speaker 2: their favor. Same with lawn bowls. I'd have both of

1855
01:35:54,987 --> 01:35:58,747
Speaker 2: those there while they both have their World championship. Neither

1856
01:35:58,787 --> 01:36:02,387
Speaker 2: are Olympic sports, and the Commonwealth Games is treated as

1857
01:36:02,427 --> 01:36:05,507
Speaker 2: a pinnacle event rightly so by both of those sports.

1858
01:36:06,107 --> 01:36:09,307
Speaker 2: Team sports where told will feature in Glasgow. So very

1859
01:36:09,387 --> 01:36:12,227
Speaker 2: much pared back as I say, there were nineteen in

1860
01:36:12,387 --> 01:36:18,107
Speaker 2: Birmingham and twenty twenty two just the ten we're told

1861
01:36:18,547 --> 01:36:20,827
Speaker 2: in Glasgow and twenty twenty six as things are scale

1862
01:36:20,867 --> 01:36:25,467
Speaker 2: back for financial reasons. We know for certain that swimming

1863
01:36:25,507 --> 01:36:27,307
Speaker 2: and track and field will be there. They are not

1864
01:36:27,347 --> 01:36:30,987
Speaker 2: negotiable and in a Commonwealth Games program, and they're very

1865
01:36:31,027 --> 01:36:34,147
Speaker 2: much the bedrock upon which are Games, the Olympics as well.

1866
01:36:34,187 --> 01:36:37,067
Speaker 2: To be fair, sit swimming in the first week, athletics

1867
01:36:37,067 --> 01:36:38,987
Speaker 2: in the second. Whether it is a shorter time period,

1868
01:36:38,987 --> 01:36:41,667
Speaker 2: we don't know, but they'll be there. And as I say,

1869
01:36:41,707 --> 01:36:44,907
Speaker 2: I reckon netball and bowl should be there as well.

1870
01:36:45,267 --> 01:36:47,987
Speaker 2: And it also chucks cycling into that mix in all

1871
01:36:47,987 --> 01:36:49,947
Speaker 2: three of its forms. I think you can have all

1872
01:36:49,947 --> 01:36:55,187
Speaker 2: three forms mountain bike, track cycling, road cycling. So I'm

1873
01:36:55,187 --> 01:36:57,867
Speaker 2: making a bit of a list here. There's five. Then

1874
01:36:57,907 --> 01:37:00,507
Speaker 2: we have to start making some choices, and you look

1875
01:37:00,547 --> 01:37:03,307
Speaker 2: at things that you think, okay, Well, would I be

1876
01:37:03,387 --> 01:37:05,787
Speaker 2: okay not having that there? I think that's probably the

1877
01:37:05,827 --> 01:37:08,227
Speaker 2: first place start. And I run an eye down the

1878
01:37:08,227 --> 01:37:11,067
Speaker 2: list and I land on things like T twenty women's cricket.

1879
01:37:11,147 --> 01:37:13,467
Speaker 2: I could live without that being at the com Games.

1880
01:37:13,987 --> 01:37:18,787
Speaker 2: Beach volleyball probably yes, table tennis, badminton, wrestling, and judo.

1881
01:37:18,867 --> 01:37:21,827
Speaker 2: I think We're gonna be given the chop anyway, so

1882
01:37:21,987 --> 01:37:23,867
Speaker 2: I'd be quite happy to get, you know, to be

1883
01:37:23,987 --> 01:37:27,667
Speaker 2: without those. I would keep boxing in there to have

1884
01:37:27,707 --> 01:37:31,467
Speaker 2: a combat sport element to the comm Games. I'd keep

1885
01:37:31,507 --> 01:37:34,707
Speaker 2: squash if you're getting rid of badminton, table tennis, I'd

1886
01:37:34,787 --> 01:37:36,947
Speaker 2: keep squash as a as a racket sport, if you

1887
01:37:36,947 --> 01:37:40,187
Speaker 2: can call table tennis a racket sport. I'd leave weightlifting in.

1888
01:37:41,227 --> 01:37:43,787
Speaker 2: I think the weightlifting brings a lot to a Commonwealth Games,

1889
01:37:43,827 --> 01:37:46,507
Speaker 2: and gymnastics as well. I'd leave that there too. So

1890
01:37:46,547 --> 01:37:49,627
Speaker 2: are we up to their boxing, squash, weightlifting, gymnastics and

1891
01:37:49,627 --> 01:37:51,587
Speaker 2: the out fight. That's nine, so I'm up to nine.

1892
01:37:51,587 --> 01:37:56,307
Speaker 2: It's got one spot left. Hockey I could take or

1893
01:37:56,387 --> 01:37:59,267
Speaker 2: leave sevens, even though we're very good at normally meddal

1894
01:37:59,307 --> 01:38:01,387
Speaker 2: at it, normally win it. I don't know about sevens.

1895
01:38:01,667 --> 01:38:01,907
Speaker 4: You know.

1896
01:38:01,987 --> 01:38:06,267
Speaker 2: Again, I wouldn't be that disappointed if SEVENS wasn't there. Shooting.

1897
01:38:06,587 --> 01:38:08,987
Speaker 2: I think shooting was due to return. I don't think

1898
01:38:09,027 --> 01:38:12,307
Speaker 2: we had shooting in twenty twenty two. Again, doesn't really

1899
01:38:12,387 --> 01:38:14,267
Speaker 2: ring my bell. I'm kind of a film. I'm left

1900
01:38:14,267 --> 01:38:19,627
Speaker 2: with a choice between triathlon and three x three basketball,

1901
01:38:19,747 --> 01:38:22,507
Speaker 2: both of which I really like. I like having basketball

1902
01:38:22,547 --> 01:38:26,947
Speaker 2: there in a shortened form. I think it's exciting. I

1903
01:38:26,987 --> 01:38:29,987
Speaker 2: think it adds to it and triathlon. I really like

1904
01:38:30,027 --> 01:38:32,547
Speaker 2: the spectacle that Trithlon brings and it's all over in

1905
01:38:32,587 --> 01:38:35,227
Speaker 2: a day, so that might actually, well, there's the male

1906
01:38:35,267 --> 01:38:36,867
Speaker 2: and female one obviously in the mixt one, so let's

1907
01:38:36,867 --> 01:38:39,467
Speaker 2: say three days. But you get my drift. It doesn't

1908
01:38:39,507 --> 01:38:43,347
Speaker 2: take up two, three, four days of stadium space, so

1909
01:38:43,507 --> 01:38:46,827
Speaker 2: maybe triathlon gets there. So they're my ten. That's a

1910
01:38:46,947 --> 01:38:50,027
Speaker 2: very draft list off the top of my head. Athletics

1911
01:38:50,027 --> 01:38:56,587
Speaker 2: and swimming, bowls, netball, cycling, boxing, squash, weightlifting, gymnastics, triathlon.

1912
01:38:58,227 --> 01:39:00,867
Speaker 2: If that was the Commonwealth Games program in twenty twenty six,

1913
01:39:00,907 --> 01:39:02,667
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. But then again, it is

1914
01:39:02,747 --> 01:39:05,587
Speaker 2: my choice. You might think to yourself, No, I'd rather

1915
01:39:05,627 --> 01:39:08,027
Speaker 2: have the sport of that sport there and I can

1916
01:39:08,027 --> 01:39:11,187
Speaker 2: take or leave one of the ones you've mentioned. We

1917
01:39:11,267 --> 01:39:14,827
Speaker 2: are apparently going to find out inside the next sort

1918
01:39:14,867 --> 01:39:17,307
Speaker 2: of two or three weeks. What are we now? We're

1919
01:39:17,347 --> 01:39:19,947
Speaker 2: a couple of years out, So sports have to start planning,

1920
01:39:19,987 --> 01:39:22,707
Speaker 2: don't they, for being there or for not being there?

1921
01:39:22,987 --> 01:39:25,667
Speaker 2: And I heard Nicki Nickel from the New Zealand Olympic

1922
01:39:25,667 --> 01:39:28,827
Speaker 2: Committee during the week say they obviously want clarity as

1923
01:39:28,827 --> 01:39:31,387
Speaker 2: soon as they possibly can, so that they can help

1924
01:39:31,387 --> 01:39:32,947
Speaker 2: support the sports who are going to be there, but

1925
01:39:32,987 --> 01:39:35,587
Speaker 2: also lend support to the sports that aren't going to

1926
01:39:35,587 --> 01:39:39,187
Speaker 2: be there and have a pinnacle event taken away from them.

1927
01:39:39,187 --> 01:39:41,507
Speaker 2: So how do they continue to support the high performance

1928
01:39:41,547 --> 01:39:44,387
Speaker 2: athletes and the sports that no longer have are Commonwealth

1929
01:39:44,387 --> 01:39:46,667
Speaker 2: Games to look forward to. This is only, of course,

1930
01:39:46,707 --> 01:39:50,187
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six. Beyond that, we don't know what.

1931
01:39:50,307 --> 01:39:53,907
Speaker 2: Nicki Nichol also said it's her hope that we get

1932
01:39:53,947 --> 01:39:58,467
Speaker 2: back to the full service Commonwealth Games sooner rather than later,

1933
01:39:58,787 --> 01:40:01,467
Speaker 2: and the twenty twenty six is a one off. No

1934
01:40:01,587 --> 01:40:04,747
Speaker 2: bids yet for twenty thirty. Nicki Nichol also said that

1935
01:40:04,787 --> 01:40:09,267
Speaker 2: they have expressed an interest in twenty thirty four, but

1936
01:40:09,307 --> 01:40:11,147
Speaker 2: if they were to host. If New Zealand was to

1937
01:40:11,227 --> 01:40:13,587
Speaker 2: host in twenty thirty four, it wouldn't be a one

1938
01:40:13,667 --> 01:40:18,067
Speaker 2: city model. It'd be more a multi city model. For

1939
01:40:18,147 --> 01:40:20,267
Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Games in twenty thirty four, we can talk

1940
01:40:20,307 --> 01:40:22,627
Speaker 2: about that another time, but we wait to see which

1941
01:40:22,627 --> 01:40:27,547
Speaker 2: of the sports gets the tick. For twenty twenty six

1942
01:40:27,907 --> 01:40:31,347
Speaker 2: to twenty five, Northland the lead North Harbor thirty five

1943
01:40:31,547 --> 01:40:35,387
Speaker 2: seventeen with eighteen minutes to go and a kick to

1944
01:40:35,467 --> 01:40:37,387
Speaker 2: come for Harbor who started to come back from a

1945
01:40:37,507 --> 01:40:41,187
Speaker 2: rather large deficit. It's a scooter, isn't it. Shan Stevenson shooter,

1946
01:40:41,467 --> 01:40:45,387
Speaker 2: not scooter shooter. Stephenson just scored a try for North

1947
01:40:45,427 --> 01:40:48,387
Speaker 2: Harbour thirty five seventeen kick to come. So an exciting

1948
01:40:48,427 --> 01:40:51,427
Speaker 2: match playing out there in Fuga day. Just checking the

1949
01:40:51,427 --> 01:40:54,227
Speaker 2: score from down in christ Church. Canterbury have a seven

1950
01:40:54,307 --> 01:40:58,427
Speaker 2: yer lead over Counties Manakau with eighteen minutes gone there.

1951
01:40:59,147 --> 01:41:01,907
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll shift our attention across the basketball.

1952
01:41:01,907 --> 01:41:05,587
Speaker 2: The Australian National Basketball League season is underway. The Breakers

1953
01:41:05,907 --> 01:41:08,667
Speaker 2: in action tonight against the Brisbane Bullets. Their main man

1954
01:41:08,907 --> 01:41:13,027
Speaker 2: Parker Jackson Cartwright is with us after this On Weekend Sport.

1955
01:41:13,147 --> 01:41:17,907
Speaker 1: Don't get caught off side eight Weekend Sports with Jason

1956
01:41:17,987 --> 01:41:22,067
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1957
01:41:22,187 --> 01:41:23,067
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1958
01:41:22,867 --> 01:41:26,027
Speaker 2: NB two twenty eight on text. The reason these games

1959
01:41:26,027 --> 01:41:28,027
Speaker 2: cost so much is all the team sports. Get rid

1960
01:41:28,067 --> 01:41:31,507
Speaker 2: of all of them, just have athletics only. Yeah, I'm

1961
01:41:31,507 --> 01:41:33,587
Speaker 2: not sure you can have just athletics, but I get

1962
01:41:33,587 --> 01:41:35,587
Speaker 2: your point on the team sports, and I think of

1963
01:41:35,627 --> 01:41:37,107
Speaker 2: the ten I name not that I was using that

1964
01:41:37,147 --> 01:41:39,347
Speaker 2: as my rationale. The only team sport I've got there

1965
01:41:39,387 --> 01:41:42,067
Speaker 2: is netble, and I would have netball there.

1966
01:41:42,467 --> 01:41:42,627
Speaker 5: You know.

1967
01:41:42,747 --> 01:41:45,707
Speaker 2: Listening to Dame Nolan again, I kind of feel like,

1968
01:41:46,747 --> 01:41:50,067
Speaker 2: I remember, this is a unique situation. It's not forever more,

1969
01:41:50,907 --> 01:41:54,187
Speaker 2: it's it's just for the Glasgow Games of twenty twenty six,

1970
01:41:54,227 --> 01:41:58,627
Speaker 2: a unique sporting proposition. Yeah, i'd have netball and lawn

1971
01:41:58,627 --> 01:42:02,627
Speaker 2: bowls there as pinnacle events for their sports. But yeah,

1972
01:42:02,787 --> 01:42:06,947
Speaker 2: I have I think in my summation there taken hockey

1973
01:42:06,987 --> 01:42:09,147
Speaker 2: out of taken sevens out of taken T twenty cricket out,

1974
01:42:09,147 --> 01:42:11,787
Speaker 2: although Ken says T twenty will be there as it

1975
01:42:11,827 --> 01:42:14,267
Speaker 2: gets bums on seats, makes it more financially viable, and

1976
01:42:14,307 --> 01:42:17,147
Speaker 2: I don't even like T twenty six again, yeah I

1977
01:42:17,187 --> 01:42:22,907
Speaker 2: suppose in the UK, Yeah, cricket will attract ticket purchases. Yeah,

1978
01:42:23,027 --> 01:42:24,627
Speaker 2: I guess that has to also be a fact, that

1979
01:42:24,667 --> 01:42:26,027
Speaker 2: doesn't it. What is going to get you the best

1980
01:42:26,027 --> 01:42:28,267
Speaker 2: bang for your buck in terms of getting some ticket

1981
01:42:28,307 --> 01:42:32,307
Speaker 2: revenue back from these games, whereas something like triathlon it's free,

1982
01:42:32,307 --> 01:42:33,867
Speaker 2: isn't it. You don't have to pay to watch the

1983
01:42:33,907 --> 01:42:36,467
Speaker 2: triathlon space you might have to pay to get a

1984
01:42:36,467 --> 01:42:37,947
Speaker 2: decent seat in the finish line. But if you want

1985
01:42:37,987 --> 01:42:41,547
Speaker 2: to just watch it, you know, the running and the

1986
01:42:41,587 --> 01:42:43,507
Speaker 2: cycling part of it, and even the swim. I think

1987
01:42:43,547 --> 01:42:45,107
Speaker 2: you can just rock up to the side of the road,

1988
01:42:45,147 --> 01:42:46,947
Speaker 2: can't you. It's one of the free events.

1989
01:42:46,987 --> 01:42:47,387
Speaker 6: Anyway.

1990
01:42:47,627 --> 01:42:52,187
Speaker 2: Much more to come, I'm sure on the Commonwealth Games

1991
01:42:52,187 --> 01:42:58,667
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six. The new Australian National Basketball League season, meanwhile,

1992
01:42:58,787 --> 01:43:01,707
Speaker 2: is underway this weekend. All ten teams open the season

1993
01:43:01,747 --> 01:43:04,507
Speaker 2: in Western Australia. It's part of an unit initiative called

1994
01:43:04,547 --> 01:43:08,467
Speaker 2: hoops Fest, which also includes the preseason games for the

1995
01:43:08,467 --> 01:43:12,387
Speaker 2: Women's National Basketball League, and there's an under eighteen teams

1996
01:43:12,467 --> 01:43:16,627
Speaker 2: championship there as well. The Breakers face the Brisbane Bullets

1997
01:43:16,627 --> 01:43:20,067
Speaker 2: first up tonight. There are ten new faces on the

1998
01:43:20,067 --> 01:43:23,067
Speaker 2: Breakers roster and a new coaching staff as well, but

1999
01:43:23,107 --> 01:43:27,027
Speaker 2: one of those to return is hugely influential guard and

2000
01:43:27,107 --> 01:43:29,147
Speaker 2: co captain Parker Jackson Cutwright.

2001
01:43:29,307 --> 01:43:31,467
Speaker 5: Five seconds to go shoots the three.

2002
01:43:31,347 --> 01:43:34,267
Speaker 19: Gus Baker Jackson top right.

2003
01:43:34,867 --> 01:43:36,907
Speaker 2: Silence is kut off Bacorita.

2004
01:43:37,307 --> 01:43:40,947
Speaker 3: He says, Sydney, you want to see the anti hero here?

2005
01:43:41,027 --> 01:43:44,227
Speaker 2: I am what a night this man has had Parker.

2006
01:43:44,307 --> 01:43:46,947
Speaker 2: Jackson Cartwright joins US now out of Western Australia. Parker,

2007
01:43:46,987 --> 01:43:48,547
Speaker 2: thanks for your time. How do you feel the breakers

2008
01:43:48,547 --> 01:43:50,747
Speaker 2: are placed ahead of the new season.

2009
01:43:51,907 --> 01:43:56,707
Speaker 19: Well, I feel so strongly about specifically entirely new group.

2010
01:43:57,307 --> 01:44:00,347
Speaker 19: I know guys that have played in this league, a

2011
01:44:00,387 --> 01:44:04,667
Speaker 19: good mixture of veterans experience, and you know, some hungry

2012
01:44:04,707 --> 01:44:07,067
Speaker 19: guys that you know are he here to prove themselves.

2013
01:44:07,067 --> 01:44:09,827
Speaker 19: So I think it's the making of a team that

2014
01:44:09,947 --> 01:44:11,867
Speaker 19: can really have a good season.

2015
01:44:12,187 --> 01:44:13,547
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about some of the new

2016
01:44:13,547 --> 01:44:16,227
Speaker 2: faces in just a moment, but how challenging has it

2017
01:44:16,307 --> 01:44:19,907
Speaker 2: been to mesh quickly as a playing group with so

2018
01:44:20,067 --> 01:44:21,827
Speaker 2: many new faces on board?

2019
01:44:21,867 --> 01:44:22,027
Speaker 5: Now?

2020
01:44:23,907 --> 01:44:27,787
Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean it's difficult. You know, you have to

2021
01:44:27,827 --> 01:44:29,027
Speaker 19: integrate everyone in.

2022
01:44:30,707 --> 01:44:33,787
Speaker 14: Very quickly. You know. Grease season kind of goes.

2023
01:44:33,627 --> 01:44:34,587
Speaker 4: By like a blur.

2024
01:44:35,547 --> 01:44:36,587
Speaker 14: And although we didn't win a.

2025
01:44:36,547 --> 01:44:39,267
Speaker 19: Game, we did get better at the things that we

2026
01:44:39,347 --> 01:44:42,987
Speaker 19: set out our site to get better at. So it's

2027
01:44:43,027 --> 01:44:45,667
Speaker 19: a process and we understand that and you have to

2028
01:44:45,667 --> 01:44:48,427
Speaker 19: take each day as it is, you know, not miss

2029
01:44:48,427 --> 01:44:48,667
Speaker 19: a beat.

2030
01:44:49,427 --> 01:44:54,107
Speaker 2: Do you feel an increased responsibility to lead, you know,

2031
01:44:54,227 --> 01:44:56,947
Speaker 2: internally as part of this playing group given the fact

2032
01:44:56,947 --> 01:44:59,667
Speaker 2: that you know, you're back, one of the few who

2033
01:44:59,787 --> 01:45:00,987
Speaker 2: are back from last season.

2034
01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:04,827
Speaker 19: Well, you know, every year is different, and I don't

2035
01:45:04,827 --> 01:45:06,947
Speaker 19: feel any added.

2036
01:45:06,667 --> 01:45:08,827
Speaker 14: Pressure to.

2037
01:45:08,147 --> 01:45:13,747
Speaker 19: Do anything or be anybody who are not Obviously, I

2038
01:45:13,787 --> 01:45:16,027
Speaker 19: am a veteran at this point, and we do have

2039
01:45:16,107 --> 01:45:19,307
Speaker 19: some young guys and I feel the need to lead

2040
01:45:19,427 --> 01:45:22,667
Speaker 19: in that regard. But as always, I have to be

2041
01:45:22,747 --> 01:45:25,707
Speaker 19: myself and I have to have to do that by

2042
01:45:25,787 --> 01:45:28,227
Speaker 19: leading by example and sharing my knowledge with my voice

2043
01:45:28,227 --> 01:45:28,667
Speaker 19: when I can.

2044
01:45:29,347 --> 01:45:31,547
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about some of your new faces

2045
01:45:31,547 --> 01:45:34,627
Speaker 2: on the roster. Met Mooney likely will partner you, I

2046
01:45:34,627 --> 01:45:37,147
Speaker 2: guess on the back court. What sort of players is

2047
01:45:37,187 --> 01:45:39,147
Speaker 2: Matt Mooney?

2048
01:45:39,547 --> 01:45:42,387
Speaker 19: Oh well, well, Matt is you know, the ultimate professional.

2049
01:45:42,627 --> 01:45:47,267
Speaker 19: You know, he's a tireless worker and he's a very

2050
01:45:47,307 --> 01:45:50,547
Speaker 19: smart player. You know his background can attest to that.

2051
01:45:50,627 --> 01:45:55,747
Speaker 19: But you know he's he's just that type of leader,

2052
01:45:55,827 --> 01:45:58,867
Speaker 19: that guy that's going to bring it every day and

2053
01:45:59,147 --> 01:46:00,427
Speaker 19: he's he's taking this serious.

2054
01:46:00,467 --> 01:46:02,907
Speaker 14: You know, this guy wants to win, and he's.

2055
01:46:02,707 --> 01:46:06,987
Speaker 19: He's very competitive and showed in practice and every bit

2056
01:46:07,027 --> 01:46:08,467
Speaker 19: of day that we have.

2057
01:46:10,067 --> 01:46:12,587
Speaker 2: But you is sent to Freddy Galaesi. He's going to

2058
01:46:12,627 --> 01:46:15,227
Speaker 2: miss the first game through suspension. But when he gets

2059
01:46:15,227 --> 01:46:19,387
Speaker 2: out there, what can we expect to see from him?

2060
01:46:19,507 --> 01:46:22,227
Speaker 19: Well, Freddie Lespia, you know, he's played at the highest

2061
01:46:22,267 --> 01:46:24,987
Speaker 19: levels of basketball around the world span NBA, he's played

2062
01:46:25,027 --> 01:46:29,427
Speaker 19: in euro League. You know, he knows kind of what

2063
01:46:29,547 --> 01:46:32,587
Speaker 19: it takes to win at the highest level, you know,

2064
01:46:32,667 --> 01:46:36,067
Speaker 19: so we're counting on that experience from him. And you know,

2065
01:46:36,667 --> 01:46:38,227
Speaker 19: in terms of being on the floor, you know, he's

2066
01:46:38,267 --> 01:46:38,987
Speaker 19: a rim protector.

2067
01:46:39,027 --> 01:46:39,667
Speaker 14: He's a guy that.

2068
01:46:39,627 --> 01:46:44,027
Speaker 19: Can finish, he can impact with his length of his physicality.

2069
01:46:44,587 --> 01:46:46,427
Speaker 14: So you know we're gonna be looking forward to getting

2070
01:46:46,467 --> 01:46:46,827
Speaker 14: him back.

2071
01:46:47,627 --> 01:46:50,347
Speaker 2: And you've got a bit of NBL experience added with

2072
01:46:50,347 --> 01:46:53,547
Speaker 2: with Ustralian Mitch McCarran coming in nearly two hundred and

2073
01:46:53,587 --> 01:46:56,427
Speaker 2: fifty games in this in this league. He's with you. Now,

2074
01:46:56,667 --> 01:47:00,107
Speaker 2: how important will his experience in this league in particular

2075
01:47:00,187 --> 01:47:00,587
Speaker 2: be to you?

2076
01:47:02,947 --> 01:47:06,027
Speaker 14: He's going to be huge, you know. You know it's

2077
01:47:06,027 --> 01:47:06,267
Speaker 14: the lead.

2078
01:47:06,387 --> 01:47:09,947
Speaker 19: He knows what it takes to win in this league.

2079
01:47:10,627 --> 01:47:14,267
Speaker 19: He's been a leader for i mean since since the

2080
01:47:14,307 --> 01:47:17,427
Speaker 19: start of his career. So you know, we rely heavily

2081
01:47:17,467 --> 01:47:19,907
Speaker 19: on him, not just his voice, but the way he

2082
01:47:20,027 --> 01:47:22,867
Speaker 19: brings it each and every day. And you know, he's

2083
01:47:22,867 --> 01:47:25,507
Speaker 19: the ultimate teammate and another guy is just an all

2084
01:47:25,547 --> 01:47:26,187
Speaker 19: around person.

2085
01:47:26,267 --> 01:47:28,627
Speaker 14: So we're very lucky to have him on this team.

2086
01:47:28,587 --> 01:47:30,867
Speaker 2: And guard and you, of course a new head coach,

2087
01:47:30,907 --> 01:47:35,467
Speaker 2: Buttery Copenan replacing Modi Mayor who's taken up an opportunity

2088
01:47:35,507 --> 01:47:37,227
Speaker 2: in Japan. Can you tell us a bit about your

2089
01:47:37,267 --> 01:47:40,627
Speaker 2: new coach and in the style he's likely to ask

2090
01:47:40,667 --> 01:47:41,147
Speaker 2: you to play?

2091
01:47:43,027 --> 01:47:46,467
Speaker 19: Well, yeah, Copa has kind of taking this role on

2092
01:47:46,627 --> 01:47:49,747
Speaker 19: and you know, head on with open arms.

2093
01:47:49,827 --> 01:47:51,467
Speaker 14: Or he's a players coach.

2094
01:47:51,947 --> 01:47:55,707
Speaker 19: He's played at the highest level before, so you know

2095
01:47:55,747 --> 01:47:58,667
Speaker 19: he knows what it takes obviously, and I think that's

2096
01:47:58,987 --> 01:48:01,387
Speaker 19: a good change for the team that is has such

2097
01:48:01,387 --> 01:48:05,627
Speaker 19: a turnover because you know, there's not a lot of

2098
01:48:06,347 --> 01:48:10,827
Speaker 19: you know, how would you say, I expectation, but more

2099
01:48:10,907 --> 01:48:13,227
Speaker 19: so you know he's been he's been great.

2100
01:48:13,667 --> 01:48:16,467
Speaker 14: The guys love on and you know, we're excited.

2101
01:48:17,027 --> 01:48:18,587
Speaker 2: And I know you're not one really who likes to

2102
01:48:18,627 --> 01:48:21,747
Speaker 2: talk too much about yourself, but a brilliant first season

2103
01:48:22,227 --> 01:48:24,587
Speaker 2: and a breakers single it last season for you, Parker,

2104
01:48:24,787 --> 01:48:27,227
Speaker 2: you know, leading the team in scoring and a lot

2105
01:48:27,227 --> 01:48:29,787
Speaker 2: of other stats as well, leadership on the court, MVP

2106
01:48:30,507 --> 01:48:32,907
Speaker 2: candidate without a doubt. How do you reflect back on

2107
01:48:33,187 --> 01:48:35,627
Speaker 2: your first season and what do you hope to I

2108
01:48:35,667 --> 01:48:40,067
Speaker 2: guess springboard into in season two with the breakers.

2109
01:48:42,227 --> 01:48:46,627
Speaker 19: I just think just keeping the focus, you know, understanding

2110
01:48:46,667 --> 01:48:50,107
Speaker 19: that every year is vastly different. You know, you can't

2111
01:48:50,147 --> 01:48:53,067
Speaker 19: rely on what you did the previous year, you know,

2112
01:48:53,187 --> 01:48:57,667
Speaker 19: because it doesn't really have any meeting for myself, For

2113
01:48:57,747 --> 01:49:01,747
Speaker 19: myself individually, I have to you know, keep that hunger

2114
01:49:02,667 --> 01:49:06,067
Speaker 19: and you know, come and drive myself through this season,

2115
01:49:06,427 --> 01:49:08,827
Speaker 19: try to be the best version of myself and I

2116
01:49:08,867 --> 01:49:10,427
Speaker 19: can put myself and my teammate.

2117
01:49:11,947 --> 01:49:15,387
Speaker 2: And I know that the team with a change roster

2118
01:49:15,467 --> 01:49:16,987
Speaker 2: will likely be in the eyes of a lot of

2119
01:49:17,027 --> 01:49:20,627
Speaker 2: outside observers a bit of an underdog the season. Is

2120
01:49:20,627 --> 01:49:23,427
Speaker 2: that a tag that you're comfortable enough wearing, maybe flying

2121
01:49:23,507 --> 01:49:25,027
Speaker 2: under the right eye just a little bit.

2122
01:49:26,827 --> 01:49:30,027
Speaker 19: I mean, yeah, I think if we have been deemed

2123
01:49:30,027 --> 01:49:32,307
Speaker 19: that flag, and you know, so be it. You know,

2124
01:49:32,387 --> 01:49:35,547
Speaker 19: we we don't see it any kind of way, whether

2125
01:49:35,587 --> 01:49:38,387
Speaker 19: we're an underdog or a team that's expected to have a

2126
01:49:38,387 --> 01:49:41,867
Speaker 19: good season, and we just kind of understand that we

2127
01:49:41,987 --> 01:49:45,667
Speaker 19: have a job to do. It's going to be difficult regardless,

2128
01:49:45,747 --> 01:49:49,387
Speaker 19: you know, if we have quote unquote, you know the

2129
01:49:49,507 --> 01:49:50,147
Speaker 19: talent that.

2130
01:49:50,147 --> 01:49:52,187
Speaker 14: People think we should have. You know, we still have

2131
01:49:52,227 --> 01:49:53,067
Speaker 14: to go out and play the.

2132
01:49:52,987 --> 01:49:58,227
Speaker 19: Games and compete, so you know that's what we're focused on.

2133
01:49:59,267 --> 01:50:01,187
Speaker 2: Can't wait to see it back out there in the

2134
01:50:01,187 --> 01:50:03,867
Speaker 2: Breakers single at Parker all the based against Brisbane in

2135
01:50:03,907 --> 01:50:06,387
Speaker 2: your first up game across the weekend, and look for

2136
01:50:06,547 --> 01:50:08,107
Speaker 2: to seeing you back at Spark Arena for the first

2137
01:50:08,107 --> 01:50:09,387
Speaker 2: time in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 14: Or so, Kevin, thank you.

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01:50:11,707 --> 01:50:14,267
Speaker 2: Thank you, Parker. Parker Jackson cart right there. Sounds like

2140
01:50:14,307 --> 01:50:16,187
Speaker 2: he's enjoying a cup of coffee in the background there

2141
01:50:16,307 --> 01:50:20,747
Speaker 2: or something some clinking of some crockery there. The Brisbane

2142
01:50:20,747 --> 01:50:23,947
Speaker 2: Bullets are first up for the Breakers tonight, their favorite

2143
01:50:23,987 --> 01:50:26,547
Speaker 2: going into that game according to the latest i've scene

2144
01:50:26,587 --> 01:50:30,067
Speaker 2: from the tab eight o'clock tip offers at HbF Stadium

2145
01:50:30,427 --> 01:50:32,347
Speaker 2: in Perth. So hopefully the Breakers can get off to

2146
01:50:32,387 --> 01:50:35,387
Speaker 2: a winning start and then it's the Southeast Melbourne Phoenix

2147
01:50:35,427 --> 01:50:38,027
Speaker 2: and the first home game of the new season that

2148
01:50:38,187 --> 01:50:40,987
Speaker 2: is next Sunday seven point thirty at Spark Arena. Will

2149
01:50:41,067 --> 01:50:43,907
Speaker 2: keep very close eyes on how the Breakers go across

2150
01:50:43,947 --> 01:50:46,987
Speaker 2: the season of twenty twenty four twenty five North and

2151
01:50:47,027 --> 01:50:50,867
Speaker 2: have scored another try. They're forty points to nineteen ahead

2152
01:50:50,907 --> 01:50:52,907
Speaker 2: of North Harbor and Fungada, with a kick to coming

2153
01:50:52,947 --> 01:50:55,227
Speaker 2: only five and a half minutes to go. The kick

2154
01:50:55,347 --> 01:50:59,347
Speaker 2: has sailed in off the post, so forty two points

2155
01:50:59,387 --> 01:51:04,507
Speaker 2: to nineteen North Harbor over North Harbor losing to Northland.

2156
01:51:04,867 --> 01:51:07,747
Speaker 2: So it's the tunny fart smiling down in christ Use,

2157
01:51:07,787 --> 01:51:11,187
Speaker 2: the home side doing well to Canterbury nineteen nil ahead

2158
01:51:11,187 --> 01:51:13,987
Speaker 2: of County's Manecau after half an hour there and quick

2159
01:51:14,067 --> 01:51:19,107
Speaker 2: check on the Heartland Championship which is into its action

2160
01:51:19,267 --> 01:51:23,387
Speaker 2: four today. There was an early kickoff in Graymouth between

2161
01:51:23,467 --> 01:51:26,427
Speaker 2: West Coast and East Coast. West Coast twenty two to

2162
01:51:26,427 --> 01:51:30,107
Speaker 2: seven ahead North Otago five nil, EDIV Mid Canterbury in Oamaru,

2163
01:51:30,347 --> 01:51:32,667
Speaker 2: Poverty Bay and King Country five and it's gone in Gisbond,

2164
01:51:32,667 --> 01:51:36,147
Speaker 2: no score Thames Valley seven nil ahead of Bulla in

2165
01:51:36,187 --> 01:51:38,867
Speaker 2: Fungamatta and no score between fan Andanuei and whited Upper

2166
01:51:38,867 --> 01:51:43,427
Speaker 2: Bush at Cook's Gardens in Fannganui. We'll take another break

2167
01:51:43,427 --> 01:51:46,387
Speaker 2: when we come back. It is a celebration twenty years

2168
01:51:46,427 --> 01:51:50,147
Speaker 2: on from the wheel Blacks winning gold at the Paralympics

2169
01:51:50,187 --> 01:51:53,627
Speaker 2: in Athens. In two thousand and four. The team, as

2170
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Speaker 2: I understand it, as getting back together across the weekend

2171
01:51:56,747 --> 01:52:00,427
Speaker 2: to celebrate and to reminisce a little bit two decades on.

2172
01:52:00,587 --> 01:52:03,507
Speaker 2: Coach of the team, Grant Sharman is going to join

2173
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Speaker 2: us after this A.

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Speaker 1: Voice of Sports on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport

2175
01:52:09,187 --> 01:52:13,227
Speaker 1: with Jason Vain and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted

2176
01:52:13,227 --> 01:52:16,187
Speaker 1: home builder News Talks EVY eighteen to three.

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Speaker 2: This weekend, the wheel Blacks are celebrating the twentieth anniversary

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01:52:19,627 --> 01:52:22,307
Speaker 2: of their gold medal winning success at the two thousand

2179
01:52:22,347 --> 01:52:26,747
Speaker 2: and four Athens Paralympics. Grant Sharman was coach of the team,

2180
01:52:27,027 --> 01:52:30,627
Speaker 2: having captained the Whirlblacks to bronze medals at the Paralympic

2181
01:52:30,667 --> 01:52:34,147
Speaker 2: Games in nineteen ninety six and two thousand. Grant sharmans

2182
01:52:34,147 --> 01:52:37,227
Speaker 2: with us. Grant, we look back to two thousand and

2183
01:52:37,227 --> 01:52:40,587
Speaker 2: four and going into the Athens Paralympics having won bronze

2184
01:52:40,587 --> 01:52:43,467
Speaker 2: in ninety six and bronze again in two thousand. What

2185
01:52:43,507 --> 01:52:46,307
Speaker 2: were your ambitions going to Athens?

2186
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Speaker 10: Well, actually it really started from two thousand and two,

2187
01:52:49,667 --> 01:52:54,267
Speaker 10: so I retired as two thousand and three bery his office.

2188
01:52:54,307 --> 01:52:55,947
Speaker 10: The coach took the boys up to Sweden to the

2189
01:52:55,987 --> 01:52:58,787
Speaker 10: World Champs and we came sixth, and it's the first

2190
01:52:58,787 --> 01:53:01,147
Speaker 10: time the team with other medals and I was just

2191
01:53:01,187 --> 01:53:03,507
Speaker 10: insensed by this. So I knew we were a better team.

2192
01:53:04,027 --> 01:53:07,387
Speaker 10: And for some reason like to make a difference in

2193
01:53:07,467 --> 01:53:10,387
Speaker 10: ib coates, which was quite funny really because I never

2194
01:53:10,467 --> 01:53:15,507
Speaker 10: coked before, so talk about hubris. But anyway, we got

2195
01:53:15,507 --> 01:53:17,787
Speaker 10: the job, and really what Barry did he gave us

2196
01:53:18,307 --> 01:53:21,187
Speaker 10: a guy called Astley Light and Malcolm Humm was our

2197
01:53:21,227 --> 01:53:24,307
Speaker 10: sports site. Malcolm was our conditioner, some pretty good funding,

2198
01:53:24,747 --> 01:53:26,427
Speaker 10: and we really said about rebuilding the team, and I

2199
01:53:26,467 --> 01:53:29,547
Speaker 10: think everyone realized that we've done to perform. We had

2200
01:53:29,547 --> 01:53:33,107
Speaker 10: the goods, and there was this a whole different approach

2201
01:53:33,227 --> 01:53:36,187
Speaker 10: we've been Those top two inches is what we'd lacked,

2202
01:53:36,947 --> 01:53:39,747
Speaker 10: and Astley Light gave us, really gave us those top

2203
01:53:39,747 --> 01:53:41,387
Speaker 10: two inches which got us through.

2204
01:53:41,667 --> 01:53:44,187
Speaker 2: So you get up there and Paul play, you lose

2205
01:53:44,347 --> 01:53:46,827
Speaker 2: to the United States. Even after that lost, did you

2206
01:53:46,827 --> 01:53:48,467
Speaker 2: still feel as though you could go all the way?

2207
01:53:49,267 --> 01:53:52,787
Speaker 10: So the Uious game was actually pivotal. Now, what we

2208
01:53:52,787 --> 01:53:56,027
Speaker 10: weren't realized is we won three of the quarters, lost

2209
01:53:56,067 --> 01:53:59,267
Speaker 10: the second quarter with a lineup that had been doing well,

2210
01:53:59,307 --> 01:54:03,507
Speaker 10: but we just didn't perform, and I was curious we

2211
01:54:03,507 --> 01:54:07,227
Speaker 10: should have won that game, you know, pretty grumby coach

2212
01:54:07,307 --> 01:54:10,227
Speaker 10: going in and it was one of those arricades where

2213
01:54:10,627 --> 01:54:11,947
Speaker 10: a selection.

2214
01:54:12,107 --> 01:54:12,867
Speaker 6: Proved the difference.

2215
01:54:12,867 --> 01:54:15,027
Speaker 10: So we dropped one player, real good player, replaced him

2216
01:54:15,067 --> 01:54:19,147
Speaker 10: with another player who had the team ethos and his

2217
01:54:19,267 --> 01:54:21,787
Speaker 10: comments around knocking on core but his heart was good.

2218
01:54:22,427 --> 01:54:25,347
Speaker 10: Just dissolved the moment and I think was one of

2219
01:54:25,347 --> 01:54:27,507
Speaker 10: the key things the Saviors. But what it did do

2220
01:54:27,627 --> 01:54:29,307
Speaker 10: is it put the US on a collision course with

2221
01:54:29,387 --> 01:54:32,867
Speaker 10: the Canadians and we then would end up playing the

2222
01:54:33,587 --> 01:54:37,467
Speaker 10: Britain and the other semila and then anyone knows anything

2223
01:54:37,467 --> 01:54:40,827
Speaker 10: about US Canadian relations people with a sport, they actually

2224
01:54:40,827 --> 01:54:42,187
Speaker 10: hate each other as a blood bath and it was

2225
01:54:42,227 --> 01:54:42,867
Speaker 10: a beautiful thing.

2226
01:54:42,747 --> 01:54:45,747
Speaker 2: To watch watching them beat each other up in the

2227
01:54:45,827 --> 01:54:48,907
Speaker 2: other semi. Was it a surprise, though, grant, to see

2228
01:54:49,107 --> 01:54:51,787
Speaker 2: Canada win through that it was them you would face

2229
01:54:52,107 --> 01:54:53,787
Speaker 2: in the gold middal Mot the match and not the

2230
01:54:53,867 --> 01:54:54,987
Speaker 2: United States.

2231
01:54:55,027 --> 01:54:59,507
Speaker 10: Well, a little surprise, yes. I think this is where

2232
01:54:59,547 --> 01:55:02,747
Speaker 10: this docomurdible was being filmed at the same time. In

2233
01:55:02,827 --> 01:55:05,827
Speaker 10: the Americans with the main focus of that with Joe

2234
01:55:05,947 --> 01:55:09,547
Speaker 10: Saws of former US coach who was down coach in Canada.

2235
01:55:09,627 --> 01:55:12,347
Speaker 10: So they were all focused on that, and I wonder

2236
01:55:12,387 --> 01:55:14,667
Speaker 10: whether maybe they lost their focus a little bit, the distraction,

2237
01:55:14,747 --> 01:55:17,987
Speaker 10: et cetera. But I guess it was one of those

2238
01:55:18,067 --> 01:55:21,707
Speaker 10: games that the Canadians decided they were going to win it.

2239
01:55:22,307 --> 01:55:26,187
Speaker 10: The Yanks probably already saw themselves in the final. It

2240
01:55:26,227 --> 01:55:28,907
Speaker 10: didn't happen, and so I thought, oh, well, that's who

2241
01:55:28,947 --> 01:55:31,827
Speaker 10: we're facing. I didn't care we're faced. I knew we

2242
01:55:31,867 --> 01:55:33,707
Speaker 10: had the team to do it. But at the end

2243
01:55:33,747 --> 01:55:37,827
Speaker 10: of the day, you know, these gold medal matches up

2244
01:55:37,827 --> 01:55:40,067
Speaker 10: for grabs, and we've heard the All Blacks, my Black

2245
01:55:40,107 --> 01:55:43,547
Speaker 10: Funds and all these teams talk about, you know, three

2246
01:55:43,627 --> 01:55:46,427
Speaker 10: seasons the moment on the day we did, they didn't.

2247
01:55:47,067 --> 01:55:48,987
Speaker 2: So let's go back to your semi final. Then it

2248
01:55:49,027 --> 01:55:52,067
Speaker 2: was great Britain who you faced. They were unbeaten coming

2249
01:55:52,067 --> 01:55:54,587
Speaker 2: into the semi final. You won that thirty nine to

2250
01:55:54,587 --> 01:55:56,587
Speaker 2: thirty five to make the gold medal match. Tell us

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01:55:56,587 --> 01:55:58,587
Speaker 2: about the semi final, Well, it was really.

2252
01:55:58,507 --> 01:56:01,267
Speaker 10: Quite a bizarre game. So there one really there's some

2253
01:56:01,307 --> 01:56:04,547
Speaker 10: good players. One real standout player, and we were a

2254
01:56:04,547 --> 01:56:07,507
Speaker 10: little concerned because when you get the cours and semis

2255
01:56:07,507 --> 01:56:11,067
Speaker 10: and things, must win games. It didn't go wrong, but

2256
01:56:11,147 --> 01:56:14,827
Speaker 10: on the day the guys just fired and so it

2257
01:56:15,107 --> 01:56:18,867
Speaker 10: sounds like a training run. But we targeted this guy

2258
01:56:19,027 --> 01:56:23,507
Speaker 10: and we gave him absolute hell and he kind of

2259
01:56:23,507 --> 01:56:26,467
Speaker 10: lost the plant of it, and that was really their destruction.

2260
01:56:27,507 --> 01:56:30,267
Speaker 10: And in the end, I remember much about that game

2261
01:56:30,347 --> 01:56:33,987
Speaker 10: except being yeah, it was pretty good to beat the Poems.

2262
01:56:33,987 --> 01:56:36,547
Speaker 10: I was every with that, but it wasn't really a maker.

2263
01:56:37,827 --> 01:56:39,867
Speaker 10: It didn't need the same memories as obviously the gold

2264
01:56:39,867 --> 01:56:40,267
Speaker 10: medal game.

2265
01:56:40,347 --> 01:56:40,947
Speaker 15: Did it.

2266
01:56:40,987 --> 01:56:43,147
Speaker 10: Really we won quite easily and it was like, oh yeah,

2267
01:56:43,387 --> 01:56:44,147
Speaker 10: job done.

2268
01:56:44,067 --> 01:56:47,147
Speaker 2: All right, and on to the gold medal game Canada

2269
01:56:47,427 --> 01:56:50,027
Speaker 2: thirty one twenty nine grant That feels close to me?

2270
01:56:50,187 --> 01:56:52,947
Speaker 5: Was it close? Oh yes?

2271
01:56:53,547 --> 01:56:58,987
Speaker 10: So just a fun rugby fact. So in the game,

2272
01:56:59,187 --> 01:57:00,227
Speaker 10: and I think you would have seen it in the

2273
01:57:00,227 --> 01:57:06,107
Speaker 10: recent coverage of the Paralympics and Paris. You want to

2274
01:57:06,147 --> 01:57:08,987
Speaker 10: s last at the end of every quarter. There's some

2275
01:57:09,067 --> 01:57:11,307
Speaker 10: good reason about that, but you want to score last

2276
01:57:11,547 --> 01:57:14,547
Speaker 10: at the every quarter, and we did. We were down

2277
01:57:14,587 --> 01:57:18,467
Speaker 10: the first quarter by I think it was two halftime,

2278
01:57:18,547 --> 01:57:21,587
Speaker 10: down by one, three quarters with a level and then

2279
01:57:21,627 --> 01:57:24,907
Speaker 10: we went on to win. But every time we scored last,

2280
01:57:24,947 --> 01:57:27,747
Speaker 10: and then the you know when you shake hands at

2281
01:57:27,747 --> 01:57:31,027
Speaker 10: the end that the coach Joe hugged me and he said,

2282
01:57:31,587 --> 01:57:33,587
Speaker 10: you bug us good last every time I said, I know,

2283
01:57:33,907 --> 01:57:38,547
Speaker 10: good a job. But that's and that's really how that

2284
01:57:38,627 --> 01:57:41,227
Speaker 10: game was won. But there was also one before that.

2285
01:57:41,307 --> 01:57:43,907
Speaker 10: It was one and the approach we took, and that

2286
01:57:44,587 --> 01:57:47,827
Speaker 10: you know that the mental skills that the team had,

2287
01:57:47,867 --> 01:57:50,347
Speaker 10: we we changed the way we played from the first

2288
01:57:50,347 --> 01:57:55,347
Speaker 10: three games to the knockout games. One of the stories

2289
01:57:55,387 --> 01:57:57,947
Speaker 10: which has been to bring me to tears a little bit.

2290
01:57:57,947 --> 01:58:00,947
Speaker 10: The guys would play music on the way there and

2291
01:58:01,747 --> 01:58:03,907
Speaker 10: it was just awful. It was I have no idea

2292
01:58:03,987 --> 01:58:06,347
Speaker 10: was that it was just terrible. And one day I said,

2293
01:58:06,547 --> 01:58:08,587
Speaker 10: look for us, it sa a little bit of Neil

2294
01:58:08,667 --> 01:58:11,187
Speaker 10: Diamond Sweet Caroline before it became the world, before it

2295
01:58:11,267 --> 01:58:14,267
Speaker 10: became the world's anthem. And they just said, look, you coach,

2296
01:58:14,267 --> 01:58:16,627
Speaker 10: who wanted the music? That was all fine. On the

2297
01:58:16,627 --> 01:58:19,147
Speaker 10: way to the final they claimed the stupid music. Get

2298
01:58:19,187 --> 01:58:21,387
Speaker 10: to the gates here and Nico and the music goes

2299
01:58:21,427 --> 01:58:24,547
Speaker 10: off and I said, rap, what's going wrong here? And

2300
01:58:24,587 --> 01:58:26,947
Speaker 10: then they start playing Sweet Caroline. The whole bus was

2301
01:58:26,987 --> 01:58:29,787
Speaker 10: singing and we got to the to the gates to

2302
01:58:29,867 --> 01:58:33,307
Speaker 10: the entrance of the gym, claims the door open, now

2303
01:58:33,307 --> 01:58:35,827
Speaker 10: I'm going on. Were still singing and as we get

2304
01:58:35,867 --> 01:58:37,907
Speaker 10: off on first off and I said, the glady boys

2305
01:58:38,307 --> 01:58:39,987
Speaker 10: blood a good day for a final and they just

2306
01:58:39,987 --> 01:58:42,187
Speaker 10: thought we lost our lolly and gone for it. But

2307
01:58:42,707 --> 01:58:45,227
Speaker 10: it spoke to the to the approach to the guys.

2308
01:58:45,267 --> 01:58:48,547
Speaker 10: They were quietly confident, they know they're doing the work.

2309
01:58:49,067 --> 01:58:51,947
Speaker 10: And my team talk before was the game was pretty simple.

2310
01:58:52,307 --> 01:58:57,107
Speaker 10: Enjoy what you're doing. Sorry, process, pick the process. But

2311
01:58:57,107 --> 01:58:59,667
Speaker 10: the biggie was have fun, have fun out there. You

2312
01:58:59,667 --> 01:59:01,947
Speaker 10: know you even know when you're back, and they did,

2313
01:59:02,187 --> 01:59:03,427
Speaker 10: and I put up on the side.

2314
01:59:03,707 --> 01:59:06,707
Speaker 2: I love that. What a great story. So you want gold?

2315
01:59:07,147 --> 01:59:10,547
Speaker 2: How for you personally? How did winning gold as coach

2316
01:59:10,667 --> 01:59:13,187
Speaker 2: compared to winning bronze twice as a player.

2317
01:59:14,867 --> 01:59:15,347
Speaker 6: I think the.

2318
01:59:15,307 --> 01:59:20,307
Speaker 10: Gold, because it is a gold, really stood out. And

2319
01:59:20,347 --> 01:59:23,987
Speaker 10: I think my time as a coach I enjoyed more

2320
01:59:24,027 --> 01:59:26,827
Speaker 10: as a player and I loved playing played with both

2321
01:59:26,827 --> 01:59:30,187
Speaker 10: of those guys, and look, we had some some pretty

2322
01:59:30,227 --> 01:59:34,947
Speaker 10: good cool stuff. But I think the being part of

2323
01:59:34,987 --> 01:59:39,747
Speaker 10: a team, and and to be clear, my role was

2324
01:59:39,747 --> 01:59:43,307
Speaker 10: more around molding things. You know. All the brains was

2325
01:59:43,387 --> 01:59:46,387
Speaker 10: being other tecticians and Ash and these guys. My job

2326
01:59:46,547 --> 01:59:48,507
Speaker 10: was to make sure the environment was good and the

2327
01:59:48,587 --> 01:59:51,507
Speaker 10: lead up and the environment was good at the tournament,

2328
01:59:52,307 --> 01:59:55,147
Speaker 10: and it was just such a great feeling of achievement.

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Speaker 10: We set out to do it, We've done everything. And

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Speaker 10: I remember, you know, we'd scored to put us one ahead,

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Speaker 10: turned the ball over, scored again. I looked at the

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Speaker 10: clock that it was like three seconds to go thirty one,

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Speaker 10: twenty nine, and I thought, I think we won those.

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm not that smart to Millis Jason and

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Speaker 10: and I just maybe this real sense of calm and

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Speaker 10: oh it wasn't their hard, but of course it was.

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Speaker 10: It was hugely hard, but it was just sense of serenity.

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Speaker 10: And I just remember thinking, this is great. Just a

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Speaker 10: pis that notes in the village that night, obviously a

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Speaker 10: couple of years in Eshni, we having a quiet and

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Speaker 10: there and the guys at the front, and I planned

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Speaker 10: to retire. That's that we've done, you know, And then

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Speaker 10: they started going on, we're going to defend it in Beijing,

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Speaker 10: and then I stopped drinking. I was, well, we'll hang on, fellow.

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Speaker 6: What's all this about.

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Speaker 10: No, we're going to defend it in Beijing. I said, well,

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Speaker 10: you have the World champs and two si Yeah, we're

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Speaker 10: gonna do that too as well. He's going to coach it.

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Speaker 10: Well you are, said, I don't think so. Four years later,

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Speaker 10: another four years in my life, gone brilliant stuff.

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Speaker 2: And there we are tweety years on from your gold

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Speaker 2: medal feats in Athens, and you're all getting together, or

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Speaker 2: most of you are, do you I don't know. Is

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Speaker 2: it like most sports teams when you get together twenty

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Speaker 2: years on from a big achievement or any period of

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Speaker 2: time on, do you reckon? The stories of how you

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Speaker 2: won those gold medals will be I don't know, exaggerated

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Speaker 2: a little bit over the weekend.

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Speaker 10: So if you've think of the average New Zealand fishermen,

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Speaker 10: the goals we scored will have been done on one

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Speaker 10: wheel with half a hand behind the back. The efforts

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Speaker 10: will be magnified, and we'll agree that's the way it happened.

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Speaker 10: So absolutely, I mean, Jason, anyone's been in any kind

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Speaker 10: of team at that level knows bullship that gets talked,

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Speaker 10: will just be amplified. It's going to be a great time.

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Speaker 10: And yeah, we're going to rewrite the record books and

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Speaker 10: how we actually won.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's the reason for getting together, Grant, that's the

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Speaker 2: reason for getting together to celebrate these things. So I

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Speaker 2: hope you and the rest of the team from two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four have an absolutely brilliant weekend. I hope

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Speaker 2: the stories are exaggerated and told long unto the night

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Speaker 2: you deserve. It a pivotal moment in our Paralympic history

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Speaker 2: of the gold medal that the World Blacks won twenty

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Speaker 2: years ago in Athens in two thousand and four. Great

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Speaker 2: to chat mate, Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 10: Thanks, Jason, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Now I appreciate your time, Grant. Grant Shalman. They're the

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Speaker 2: coach of the team that won gold medal, the gold

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Speaker 2: medal at the Paralympic Games in two thousand and four

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Speaker 2: in wheelchair rugby. Getting together across the weekend to reminisce

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Speaker 2: a little bit fantastic stuff. North beatn North Harbor forty

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Speaker 2: seven to twenty four in fang Ada, North Harbor. I've

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Speaker 2: got a bonus point, so some consolation there for scoring

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Speaker 2: four tries. Meantime, Canterbury Given Counties are hiding thirty six

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Speaker 2: nil at halftime. In Christy it's six tries in the

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Speaker 2: first half alone for Canterbury thirty six nil. They lead

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Speaker 2: the County's Manekou Stealers seven and a half to three.

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Speaker 2: News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Hine. News Talk ZB just.

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Speaker 2: On four to three. We're back at a couple of hours,

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Speaker 2: Mark Kelly and Me as we build towards kickoff in

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Speaker 2: the Bledisloe Cup Test. So join us again after five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for producing this part of the show.

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Speaker 15: Ma.

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Speaker 2: What have you chosen as our exit song?

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Speaker 17: Well, just because I'm incredibly excited about three thirty five

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Speaker 17: The Bay of Penny Steamers, the Mighty Bay of Plonny Steamers,

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Speaker 17: playing your Wellington Lions Pioneer. I've got one of the

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Speaker 17: bays great singers, Stem Walker, taking us out from his

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Speaker 17: two thousand and nine hit black Box, the former Australian

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Speaker 17: idol when they're I think in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 17: but the black Box here and go the Bay all right, may.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you after five see you Light Up.

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