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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealanders, Welcome to Pod two three

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Speaker 2: five for Tuesday, the fourth of November and Smell and

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Speaker 2: Cub Day. It doesn't really matter because when you're probably

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Speaker 2: listening to this, it's already been done and dusted. So

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Speaker 2: hopefully you're a winner and you've got some money in

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Speaker 2: the flutter if you got into that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: But great show today. We had some good discussion about

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Speaker 2: November and mental health. Obviously a massive campaign and a

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Speaker 2: great cause, November for men's mental and physical health. So

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Speaker 2: I had some really powerful, pretty follow on stories actually

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Speaker 2: of people who have come through on the other side,

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Speaker 2: whether that was with antidepressant drugs, cold showers, exercise, eating,

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Speaker 2: all of that sort of stuff. So that was a

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Speaker 2: great chat. Then we caught up with Robert Dunn, who

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Speaker 2: is the head of November in New Zealand, so that

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Speaker 2: was a great chat. Then we did get into fireworks

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Speaker 2: and we only had about half an hour and five

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Speaker 2: weeks with boy oh boy did that blow up? Pun

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Speaker 2: intended on that one. But good show, so download, subscribe

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Speaker 2: of key we Matt is off this week, by the way,

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Speaker 2: He'll be back next week. Missing him that he'll be

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Speaker 2: back soon. Love you.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said,

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Speaker 1: be a very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into the show. So good to have your company.

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Speaker 2: As always, just a heads up, Matt is off this week.

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Speaker 2: He will be back next week, So I'll be flying

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Speaker 2: solo today and tomorrow and Thursday and Friday. But I

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Speaker 2: hope you're having a great Tuesday so far, Missy, my mate.

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Speaker 2: But he will be back next week. Got a big

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Speaker 2: show for you as always. After three o'clock, I want

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Speaker 2: to have a chat about stagdoo's and hens dos. I

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Speaker 2: They'll be named as groomsmen and it's their job, obviously

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Speaker 2: put some plans in place, but as of yet they're

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Speaker 2: lot to sort out where it's going to be, to

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Speaker 2: And the same thing on the hens do side of things,

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Speaker 2: to just farm this out to you guys to help

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Speaker 2: how close to the wedding it should be, the dos

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Speaker 2: after three o'clock. After two o'clock. Antidepressant use in New

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Speaker 2: won't be a surprise to many people. Nearly won in

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Speaker 2: seven adults are now taking medication for depression or anxiety SSRIs,

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Speaker 2: Of course, that is after two o'clock, but right now,

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Speaker 2: There might finally be some good news for that critical industry,

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Speaker 3: For seeing a trend which most welcome news. We're seen

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Speaker 3: Notice spread more widely than that. And we're sort of

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Speaker 4: That's what we call a pipeline, isn't it, Malcolm?

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Speaker 3: We needed a pipeline. The pipeline was blocked and we've

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Speaker 3: It's coming through, all the consenting or other it's coming through,

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to see in twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: So that sounds incredibly positive, doesn't it. But what are

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Speaker 2: Clearly is a big difference between the regions. As Mike mentioned,

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Speaker 2: Auckland was lagging a little bit. But hopefully that is

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty, are you starting to

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Speaker 2: see these so called green shoots in the construction industry,

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Speaker 2: and is this a good sign looking forward to next year?

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Nine two ninety two is the

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the

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Speaker 2: construction sector and it seems like there are some positive

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Speaker 2: movements underway in terms of a pickup annual new home consent,

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Speaker 2: they rose by three point six percent in the year

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Speaker 2: to September. For September alone, consents increase seven point three

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Speaker 2: that in the year to June twenty twenty five, there

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Speaker 2: worth thirty three nine hundred and seventy nine almost thirty

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Speaker 2: four thousand new homes consented. That's up one percent on

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Speaker 2: two percent. But regionally, there seems to be some big differences.

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Speaker 2: Places like a Targo. They are bucking the national trend,

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Speaker 2: one of those. But if you're in the trade, what

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Speaker 2: you still seeing your clients just holding back on some

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Speaker 2: of those bigger projects. Really keen to have a chat

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Speaker 2: with you on oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty texts

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Speaker 2: coming through on nine two, nine to two as well,

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Speaker 2: This one from Nathan in terms of are you seeing

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Speaker 2: Pretty simple from Nathan. No, no, I'm not seeing that

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Speaker 2: of tylers. So is that the situation you're facing out

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Speaker 2: to June twenty twenty five, up one percent. That seems significant.

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Speaker 2: And you've got to say, with the falling interest rates,

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Speaker 2: where the people And this is just conversations I've had

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. I mean Certified Builders CEO Malcolm Fleming,

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, he spoke with Mike this morning

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Speaker 2: and he said that for builders across the country it's

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Speaker 2: a massive positive sign. This is a critical industry, as

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Speaker 2: we all know. When construction starts to fall off, there's

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Speaker 2: so many parts of the economy that suffer as well.

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Speaker 2: But he does say builders are welcoming more inquiries and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean the sector is back to boom mode.

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Speaker 2: Yet some say that many homeowners are choosing that renovation

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Speaker 2: work over that new build. Many trades doing upgrades may

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Speaker 2: see earlier signs of that activity. So can you hear

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Speaker 4: Are we in summer? Are there shoots all around us?

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Speaker 7: Now to go out and borrow money to buy goods.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about the

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Speaker 2: get a Peter greetings, greetings, nice to chat as always. So,

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Speaker 2: judging by some of the texts that we're seeing coming

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Speaker 9: You know, if you've got twenty guys and you go,

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Speaker 9: So and what happens to those people that have dropped out,

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Speaker 9: because this is what always happens in our sector. Boom

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And there's two things there. One is there's experience

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Speaker 9: And some of those people, perhaps that's enough to go.

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Speaker 9: You know, is this what my life is going to

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Speaker 2: Are they also facing the challenges we heard of a

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Speaker 9: I think it's fair to say that building costs have

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Speaker 9: Tough for let's say small to medium sized businesses. So

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Speaker 9: probably not really as profitable, but workers work. The other

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Speaker 9: As much as they might have needed to changes to KO,

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Speaker 2: Well, fascinating as always better. So the bottom line here

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely said Peter. Always good to chat. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Raylan, and we've been talking about

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Speaker 2: to look up. So we'll follow that one very closely,

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Speaker 2: but not quite as positive as it was originally talented.

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Speaker 2: Some room to go there, but thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for all your tech and phone calls on that one.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to this story. This will be a fascinating chat.

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Speaker 2: So antidepressant use in New Zealand has climbed significantly over

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Speaker 2: the last twenty years. Today, nearly one in seven adults

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Speaker 2: is taking medication for depression or anxiety or OCD. So

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Speaker 2: one of the most common types are called SSRI. So

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Speaker 2: that antidepressant medicines or selective serotonin re uptake inhibitors, and

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Speaker 2: quite often if you've been having some issues with anxiety

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Speaker 2: or fatigue or burnout and you run through a test

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Speaker 2: with your GP, this is often the first point to

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Speaker 2: call that they offer as a potential to try and

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Speaker 2: get you back to some form of mental balance. So

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Speaker 2: they are marketed as drugs that correct chemical imbalances. They've

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Speaker 2: been around since the eighties, but research is starting to

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Speaker 2: show that the story isn't quite as simple as they

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Speaker 2: once thought with these SSRIs. So they don't just boost serotonin.

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Speaker 2: They do do that, but they also influence how the

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Speaker 2: brain processes emotions. They reshape neural SSA circuits and in

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Speaker 2: some cases even old brain regions over time. So clearly,

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Speaker 2: for many people these types of medications, the likes of

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Speaker 2: SSRIs and other antidepressants absolute life saving, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: But for others they can blunt emotions, bring a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of side effects, will make it difficult to come

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Speaker 2: off them if you decide to do so. So that's

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Speaker 2: the chat I want to have right now. There's a

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Speaker 2: great article in the New Zealand Herald about antidepressants and

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Speaker 2: ssrrise and that growing science around how they actually work.

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Speaker 2: But what has your experience been when you've been on

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Speaker 2: this type of medication. There's someone very close to me

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Speaker 2: and my family who has been on SSRIs for the

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Speaker 2: last four years, and it's been an absolute game changer

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Speaker 2: for her, no doubt about it. She says it time

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Speaker 2: and time again. Almost well, pretty much saved your life.

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Speaker 2: But for others in the family who have been on

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Speaker 2: them gone the other way, it's actually made things a

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Speaker 2: lot worse and they had to look at other things

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Speaker 2: to try and get them back to some saw some

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Speaker 2: form of normality. And clearly, for a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who are going through some pretty tough mental anguish, this

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Speaker 2: is one tool that can be incredibly helpful. But for

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Speaker 2: others who are facing some anxiety issues for example, or

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Speaker 2: maybe about a depression, then there can be a whole

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Speaker 2: raft of other things they can look to try to

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Speaker 2: get them back interbalance. So keen to hear your experiences. Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty, how have you gone when

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Speaker 2: you've been prescribed these SSR rights? Have there been an

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Speaker 2: absolute game change for you? Combined with some other lifestyle changes,

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Speaker 2: Because for a lot of people, I think those lifestyle

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Speaker 2: changes can play a massive part, whether that is exercising

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Speaker 2: on a more regular basis, eating a bit better, trying

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Speaker 2: to socialize more if you can that. I mean it's

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Speaker 2: a harder ask for some people than it is for others.

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Speaker 2: But really keen to have a chat with you, Oh

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Speaker 2: ad one hundred eighty ten eighty. How did you go

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Speaker 2: when prescribe these medicines? And if you had to or

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Speaker 2: decided to come off them, how was that? Was it

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Speaker 2: a bit of a long process to start to wean

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Speaker 2: yourself off these particular medications? And what else did you

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Speaker 2: try to try and increase that mental health to boost

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Speaker 2: your own mental health? Oh eight, one hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? If you prefer to

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Speaker 2: send a text, absolutely you can do that anomymously nine

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Speaker 2: two ninety two is that number? Or if you want

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Speaker 2: to send me an email, My email is Tyler at

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Speaker 2: newstalkzb dot co dot nz. Antidepressants, how have they worked

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Speaker 2: for you? And if you've had to come off them?

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Speaker 2: Are really keen to hear what happened? Then it is

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Speaker 2: twenty two to two back very shortly with more of

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Speaker 2: your calls. You're listening to Tyler Adams. Hope you having

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Speaker 2: a great afternoon.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

507
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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be good afternoon to you. So we are talking

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Speaker 2: about antidepressants, and there's a particular type of antidepressant called

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Speaker 2: sesrerise and that stands for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but

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Speaker 2: effectively it is for many New Zealanders, one in seven

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Speaker 2: of us are taking antidepressant medication for anxiety and depression.

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Speaker 2: But it can be a first point of call when

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Speaker 2: you go to your GP if you are suffering a

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Speaker 2: form of anxiety or depression. That is often after some testing,

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Speaker 2: the other first thing that is prescribed is a way

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Speaker 2: to try and treat it. But more evidence is emerging

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Speaker 2: that it can be absolutely life saving for a lot

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Speaker 2: of people out there, no doubt about it. But for

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Speaker 2: many others it can not work at all or it

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Speaker 2: can have some pretty serious side effects. So really can

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Speaker 2: to have a chat with you if you have been

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Speaker 2: prescribed some of these medications, how did that go for you?

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Speaker 2: And if you had to wean yourself off that can

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Speaker 2: be tricky as well for a lot of people. If

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Speaker 2: it hasn't been working and you need to win yourself off.

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Speaker 2: What was that experience it's like? And if this did,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the answer for you. What did you find

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Speaker 2: was the answer to try and boost your own mental

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Speaker 2: health or get yourself out of that particular funk or anxiety.

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Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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Speaker 2: to call Mary? Very good afternoon to.

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Speaker 7: You, good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So you were prescribed these SSRIs, Is that right?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 13: And I can't remember the specific name of it, but

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Speaker 13: I had an adverse reaction to it and I was

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Speaker 13: put on it for a major depressive disorder at APSD,

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Speaker 13: and as a result of having an adverse reaction, I

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Speaker 13: was then admitted to a mental health unit for a month.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, And what I want to say.

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Speaker 13: Is that I'm on no medication at all now. It

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Speaker 13: was quite a process. And my advice to anyone as

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Speaker 13: that might be listening to this is to make sure

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Speaker 13: that you have got a really good support person with

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Speaker 13: you when you are given medication, and that you find

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Speaker 13: out what the potential side effects are so that you

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Speaker 13: can monitor. And I've found the best thing for me

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Speaker 13: as daily exercise.

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Speaker 14: The thing well.

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Speaker 13: A good talk therapist, and that there are other talks

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Speaker 13: out there that aren't medication that can work really well.

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Speaker 2: Just on the on the therapist element there, Mary, what

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Speaker 2: was it that you found so beneficial was chatting to

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Speaker 2: a theorist a therapist on a regular basis.

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Speaker 13: Basically it was, I guess, clearing my head and getting

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Speaker 13: my thoughts in order, and as a professional who'd been

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Speaker 13: the mental health space for a long time, they were

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Speaker 13: able to do that with me.

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Speaker 2: And just going back to that adverse, adverse effect that

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Speaker 2: you had from that medication. So what did that look like?

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Speaker 2: If you don't mind me asking, Mary, Clearly that led

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Speaker 2: to you having to be admitted to the mental health unit.

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Speaker 2: I take it it caused the mental health issues you're

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Speaker 2: going through to become a lot worse.

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Speaker 13: It was almost the opposite of what I've been going through.

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Speaker 13: So they ended up saying that I was bipolar, and

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Speaker 13: then I pushed back against that and I said, how

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Speaker 13: could I have done what I've done over my life

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Speaker 13: and been bipolar? And then I take this medication and

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Speaker 13: everything changes for me.

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Speaker 15: So, and what I would say is.

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Speaker 6: Over the.

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Speaker 13: Time being in the cup.

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Speaker 6: A psychiatrist, there.

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Speaker 13: Wasn't a continuity and so all up it would have

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Speaker 13: been thirteen different psychiatrists and thirteen different opinions.

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Speaker 2: And is that still exist out there in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: at the moment? Mary, if you do face these mental struggles,

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Speaker 2: do you find that supporters is easily accessible or is

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Speaker 2: it still quite tough to access it? Do you think

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Speaker 2: for a lot of people.

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Speaker 13: My first offer of support was via the crisis team

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Speaker 13: by a hospital and they were magnificent and I was

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Speaker 13: referred on to be a psychiatrist and he was really

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Speaker 13: good and he prescribed me what he thought that I

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Speaker 13: was one of those people that unfortunately had an adverse.

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Speaker 16: Reaction to it.

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Speaker 13: And that's where I think it's really important that you

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Speaker 13: have got support people. And so I think it's really

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Speaker 13: important that people talk about mental health absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And how are you doing now, Mary, Well.

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Speaker 13: Ironically, I'm on my way to see my talk therapist

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Speaker 13: and I'm doing really well. And the other thing that

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Speaker 13: has happened for me recently is I heard a talk

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Speaker 13: by John Kerwin and that was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: He's an incredible guy, Sir John Corwin. Absolutely What did

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Speaker 2: he say during that that talk that resonated with you?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 1: A lot?

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Speaker 13: But he talked about bolter Monkey going in his head

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Speaker 13: and that sometimes Bob just needs a banana and just

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Speaker 13: sit there and need a banana. And that's something that

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Speaker 13: I just remember specifically from his chat.

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Speaker 6: But it was his openness, his honesty.

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Speaker 13: It was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: That chimp brain is something I've heard of from Mary

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Speaker 2: and and and that's resonated with me as well. That

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Speaker 2: little uh, that little chimp on the the side of

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Speaker 2: your brain, that that is saying all sorts of weird

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Speaker 2: things and he's got to remember that, hey, that's that's

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Speaker 2: just the jim part of your brain and you know

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Speaker 2: it's not reality, and it's Yeah, I think it certainly

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Speaker 2: helped me in some elements and it's clearly you know,

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Speaker 2: something that John Kerwin preaches as well, which is awesome.

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Speaker 17: Yes.

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Speaker 13: And also the other thing that he talked about was

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Speaker 13: that he is an active relaxer. You know that meditation,

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Speaker 13: which comes up a lot, doesn't work for him. And

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Speaker 13: that absolutely resonated was for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mary, thank you so much for giving me a call,

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Speaker 2: and fantastic to hear that you're doing well now and

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Speaker 2: a lot of things there hopefully if you're listening and

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Speaker 2: you're going through some tough times. Some things to consider

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Speaker 2: which helped with Mary keen to get your stories on

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Speaker 2: this I e. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. Whether

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Speaker 2: it is talk therapy or whether it is like Mary

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Speaker 2: she had a combination of talk therapy, exercise, eating better.

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Speaker 2: What was it that that helped you get out of

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Speaker 2: some bad mental anxiety or anguish oh eight one hundred

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. And clearly, look, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: texts coming through about the SSRIs. Clearly they are a

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Speaker 2: lifesaver for a lot of people. And I mentioned before

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Speaker 2: there's someone very close to me and have been a

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Speaker 2: lifesaver for her. But they don't work the same for

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Speaker 2: everybody who is facing some mental challenges. And that's the

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Speaker 2: point of this discussion is that if you have been

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Speaker 2: prescribed these and they didn't quite work, what did help

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Speaker 2: you to get back to some mental balance or increasing

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Speaker 2: that mental health. This is a text here from a

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Speaker 2: pharmacy technician, Hi Tyler. SSRIs definitely have a place in

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Speaker 2: our health system and they save lives. I believe gps

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Speaker 2: don't discuss the long term effects enough and pushing other

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Speaker 2: options such as behavioral therapy counseling, exercise and diet, healthy

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Speaker 2: gut microflora can increase serotonin. Often young women are put

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Speaker 2: on SSRIs and their teens early twenties and find it

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Speaker 2: hard to come off. Then in pregnancy. For the most parts,

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Speaker 2: some are safe, but they can cause negative effects such

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Speaker 2: as low birth weight and withdrawal effects in babies as well.

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Speaker 2: And this one here shout out to my forty two

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Speaker 2: year old mate, Chris, who is two weeks into his

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Speaker 2: antidepressant meds. He loves a drink more than the average boat.

653
00:34:29,133 --> 00:34:31,213
Speaker 2: I bloke to cope with mental health challenges, but is

654
00:34:31,253 --> 00:34:33,772
Speaker 2: taking this step to be a better husband and father.

655
00:34:34,133 --> 00:34:35,893
Speaker 2: Proud of you, mate, and love you. That is a

656
00:34:35,933 --> 00:34:38,213
Speaker 2: great text. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It is

657
00:34:38,333 --> 00:34:42,013
Speaker 2: November right now, which is all about men's health, both

658
00:34:42,093 --> 00:34:43,733
Speaker 2: mental and physicals. So it's a good time to have

659
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,732
Speaker 2: a chat about this. If you are or have gone

660
00:34:46,813 --> 00:34:49,973
Speaker 2: through some mental health challenges. What worked for you and

661
00:34:50,053 --> 00:34:52,053
Speaker 2: what was the support out there? What did it look like?

662
00:34:52,413 --> 00:34:55,413
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

663
00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:57,453
Speaker 2: Got a place of messages. But when we come back,

664
00:34:57,733 --> 00:34:59,493
Speaker 2: we have a chat with Ben and he wants to

665
00:34:59,573 --> 00:35:02,413
Speaker 2: chat about his experiences with mental health. It is eleven

666
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Speaker 2: to two.

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00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:08,213
Speaker 1: Mattith Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh eight hundred,

668
00:35:09,173 --> 00:35:12,213
Speaker 1: it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons.

669
00:35:11,773 --> 00:35:15,893
Speaker 2: News talks, very good afternoons you. It is eight to two,

670
00:35:16,413 --> 00:35:19,293
Speaker 2: so it is November this month. We are talking about

671
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:23,253
Speaker 2: mental health but also antidepressant drunks are drugs the likes

672
00:35:23,253 --> 00:35:26,573
Speaker 2: of ssrrise and for many people they saved their lives,

673
00:35:26,693 --> 00:35:29,133
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, but there is a growing body

674
00:35:29,173 --> 00:35:31,733
Speaker 2: of research that it doesn't work the same for everybody,

675
00:35:32,413 --> 00:35:34,293
Speaker 2: and so keen to have a chat with what actually

676
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:37,573
Speaker 2: worked for you? If you had some mental health challenges

677
00:35:38,133 --> 00:35:41,293
Speaker 2: and you went to your GP, if you'll prescribe these medications,

678
00:35:41,373 --> 00:35:43,893
Speaker 2: did they work for you? Did they save your life?

679
00:35:43,893 --> 00:35:47,093
Speaker 2: Will get you back to some mental balance? And if

680
00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:49,133
Speaker 2: they didn't, then what did work for you? Oh eight

681
00:35:49,293 --> 00:35:51,093
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call,

682
00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:56,613
Speaker 2: love to hear your experiences, get a benl I'm good mates,

683
00:35:57,213 --> 00:35:58,093
Speaker 2: and so what worked for you?

684
00:35:59,973 --> 00:36:02,133
Speaker 16: Yeah, so definitely it took a couple of goes to

685
00:36:02,213 --> 00:36:12,173
Speaker 16: get the correct medication, but I highly recommend getting the

686
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:15,133
Speaker 16: medication if you're in a state that you need it.

687
00:36:17,653 --> 00:36:20,732
Speaker 16: I think the along here put it off, the worse

688
00:36:20,813 --> 00:36:24,293
Speaker 16: it get. So that's a very good thing. Then you're

689
00:36:24,293 --> 00:36:26,333
Speaker 16: actually talking about on the radio, it's brilliant.

690
00:36:26,573 --> 00:36:30,653
Speaker 2: Yes, No, what good on you Ben for for bringing

691
00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:34,413
Speaker 2: up with your experience. So was that I imagine you

692
00:36:34,493 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 2: know I'm generalizing here, but I think for a lot

693
00:36:36,533 --> 00:36:39,053
Speaker 2: of fellers and look for women out there listening as well,

694
00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:42,213
Speaker 2: absolutely keen to hear from you and your experiences. But

695
00:36:43,253 --> 00:36:45,813
Speaker 2: you know there's that not taboo, but it can be

696
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,333
Speaker 2: harder for fellers to take their first step right and

697
00:36:48,453 --> 00:36:51,213
Speaker 2: maybe if it is chatting to your GP and saying, hey,

698
00:36:51,293 --> 00:36:55,333
Speaker 2: look of I'm going through some form of anxiety and

699
00:36:55,373 --> 00:36:58,093
Speaker 2: I don't really understand what it is and what the

700
00:36:58,173 --> 00:37:00,133
Speaker 2: next steps are, that can be quite a big step.

701
00:37:00,253 --> 00:37:00,373
Speaker 13: Right.

702
00:37:01,933 --> 00:37:04,613
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's very to allow. It's a very hard thing

703
00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:09,133
Speaker 16: to put your finger on exactly what the what is

704
00:37:09,253 --> 00:37:14,453
Speaker 16: causing the stresses? The thing they did well that that's

705
00:37:14,493 --> 00:37:17,093
Speaker 16: what they are, which helped me calling calling them a

706
00:37:17,093 --> 00:37:19,973
Speaker 16: whole bunch of stresses. So getting a piece of paper

707
00:37:20,613 --> 00:37:23,453
Speaker 16: and just listing them out come to me and then

708
00:37:23,733 --> 00:37:26,653
Speaker 16: just whatever whatever the one thing that keeps popping in

709
00:37:27,333 --> 00:37:31,013
Speaker 16: and try and not mix your thoughts. It was a

710
00:37:31,173 --> 00:37:34,533
Speaker 16: good thing that the doctor helped me out with. And

711
00:37:34,653 --> 00:37:41,813
Speaker 16: then cold showers and saunas, mate, Yeah, they absolutely work, wonders. Obviously,

712
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:46,733
Speaker 16: they can do a combination of medication. Get up, have

713
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:51,373
Speaker 16: a sauna or a cold shower. Me the one. And yeah,

714
00:37:51,413 --> 00:37:54,333
Speaker 16: if you listen out those those things that are concerning you,

715
00:37:55,413 --> 00:37:59,453
Speaker 16: you can just slowly to day. You know, they do

716
00:37:59,613 --> 00:38:02,652
Speaker 16: get brighter. So there is I like to encourage every

717
00:38:03,133 --> 00:38:06,613
Speaker 16: young man or young woman out there going through it

718
00:38:06,733 --> 00:38:10,973
Speaker 16: that hey, you don't have to beaten beaten by you

719
00:38:11,093 --> 00:38:17,013
Speaker 16: can beat it. So's it's definitely something that we we

720
00:38:17,093 --> 00:38:19,853
Speaker 16: can go on the tech attack the other way, you

721
00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:20,373
Speaker 16: know what I mean.

722
00:38:20,493 --> 00:38:22,973
Speaker 2: It's a great message being and thank you very much

723
00:38:23,053 --> 00:38:24,732
Speaker 2: for bringing up. And there'll be a lot of people

724
00:38:24,813 --> 00:38:27,413
Speaker 2: listening who may be right on that precipice right now

725
00:38:27,813 --> 00:38:29,933
Speaker 2: and thinking I don't really know what's going on on

726
00:38:30,173 --> 00:38:32,813
Speaker 2: in my head and clearly I need I need some

727
00:38:32,933 --> 00:38:35,293
Speaker 2: help here, So good on you for saying that. Man,

728
00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:38,333
Speaker 2: I mean, the cold shower I can see, you know,

729
00:38:38,373 --> 00:38:40,093
Speaker 2: and I know there's a lot of science behind it

730
00:38:40,213 --> 00:38:42,732
Speaker 2: and resetting the brain and resetting the nervous system, which

731
00:38:42,773 --> 00:38:45,173
Speaker 2: is a great thing. Honesty call though, was that a

732
00:38:45,213 --> 00:38:47,973
Speaker 2: hard thing to push through to get used to?

733
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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I'm.

734
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Speaker 16: Going back to any your previous previous callers. I read

735
00:38:56,053 --> 00:38:58,733
Speaker 16: that in a J. John Cowan book and when he

736
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:02,533
Speaker 16: was going through his tough times and whatever, cold shower

737
00:39:02,973 --> 00:39:03,773
Speaker 16: rins and repeat.

738
00:39:03,933 --> 00:39:05,493
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, that's key.

739
00:39:05,853 --> 00:39:07,933
Speaker 16: And this was years ago, you know, because you're not

740
00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:10,773
Speaker 16: not thinking a lot else when you're under that cold,

741
00:39:11,253 --> 00:39:13,093
Speaker 16: because you're all you want to do is get out.

742
00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:14,373
Speaker 16: That's a good reset.

743
00:39:15,693 --> 00:39:18,252
Speaker 2: I just say that, man, because I tried that, Ben,

744
00:39:18,333 --> 00:39:21,453
Speaker 2: and I absolutely back the you know the science behind

745
00:39:21,493 --> 00:39:23,573
Speaker 2: it and what are the changes it does to a

746
00:39:23,613 --> 00:39:26,013
Speaker 2: lot of people. But it's hard, yacka, it's real hard. Yeah,

747
00:39:26,053 --> 00:39:29,253
Speaker 2: going to put that chower on cold, that's what it's.

748
00:39:29,493 --> 00:39:32,133
Speaker 16: That's what it's why it works because it's hard, ye

749
00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:36,133
Speaker 16: you know, Yeah, that's just about breaking the loop is

750
00:39:36,173 --> 00:39:39,453
Speaker 16: another thing which really helped me. So if you can

751
00:39:39,533 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 16: imagine a thought pattern, it just as an analog clock

752
00:39:44,133 --> 00:39:46,133
Speaker 16: you and you don't you want to break out side

753
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:48,973
Speaker 16: of that that loop and go on a new journey,

754
00:39:49,013 --> 00:39:50,173
Speaker 16: if you know what I mean. You don't want to

755
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:51,373
Speaker 16: keep turning around around.

756
00:39:51,893 --> 00:39:54,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben, thank you very much mate for giving me

757
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,973
Speaker 2: a buzz. Great messages there and good on you and

758
00:39:58,013 --> 00:39:59,653
Speaker 2: glad you're in a good play. So one hundred and

759
00:39:59,653 --> 00:40:02,013
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty we've got full boards at the moment.

760
00:40:02,053 --> 00:40:03,573
Speaker 2: They're going to keep this going. But love to hear

761
00:40:03,653 --> 00:40:06,692
Speaker 2: your thoughts Movember. What worked for you when it came

762
00:40:06,693 --> 00:40:07,373
Speaker 2: to your mental health?

763
00:40:08,773 --> 00:40:12,093
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon, It's Matt Heath and Taylor

764
00:40:12,133 --> 00:40:14,413
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons News Talks.

765
00:40:14,453 --> 00:40:18,093
Speaker 2: Evy, very good afternoon, cheer, welcome back into the program.

766
00:40:18,213 --> 00:40:20,813
Speaker 2: It is seven past two. Really good of your company

767
00:40:21,053 --> 00:40:25,413
Speaker 2: is always and we are chatting loosely about Movember, which

768
00:40:25,653 --> 00:40:29,813
Speaker 2: is about men's mental health, men's physical health, but more

769
00:40:29,893 --> 00:40:32,973
Speaker 2: broadly we are talking about what worked for you when

770
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:35,333
Speaker 2: facing your own mental health challenges. Is on the back

771
00:40:35,413 --> 00:40:38,853
Speaker 2: of new research when it comes to antidepressant drugs such

772
00:40:38,933 --> 00:40:42,333
Speaker 2: as SSRIs, and there's no doubt about it, those medications

773
00:40:42,813 --> 00:40:45,533
Speaker 2: save lives, absolutely they do for a lot of people,

774
00:40:45,653 --> 00:40:48,413
Speaker 2: but there is more research that clearly they don't work

775
00:40:48,453 --> 00:40:51,853
Speaker 2: the same as as they do for people that it

776
00:40:52,533 --> 00:40:56,172
Speaker 2: is successful for for some people. Those types of medications

777
00:40:56,333 --> 00:41:00,493
Speaker 2: can unfortunately make symptoms worse and there can be a

778
00:41:00,533 --> 00:41:02,652
Speaker 2: bit of an issue with coming off them. So really

779
00:41:02,733 --> 00:41:06,053
Speaker 2: keen to get your experiences on that. And if you're

780
00:41:06,053 --> 00:41:08,893
Speaker 2: a doctor or GP listening out there, really your views

781
00:41:08,933 --> 00:41:11,693
Speaker 2: on I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, or a pharmacist

782
00:41:11,773 --> 00:41:14,653
Speaker 2: for that matter, in terms of these sort of medications.

783
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:18,053
Speaker 2: Clearly it is one tool in a tool set that

784
00:41:18,173 --> 00:41:21,733
Speaker 2: people who are facing some mental challenges can utilize, along

785
00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:25,173
Speaker 2: with the likes of as we had called to say before, therapy, exercise,

786
00:41:25,333 --> 00:41:28,733
Speaker 2: cold showers, saunas, eating better. But really keen to hear

787
00:41:28,733 --> 00:41:30,613
Speaker 2: from you I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty on

788
00:41:30,693 --> 00:41:32,933
Speaker 2: your experiences November. It's a good time to have a

789
00:41:33,013 --> 00:41:36,493
Speaker 2: chat about this. But let's go back to the phones. Mark,

790
00:41:36,573 --> 00:41:39,333
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon? Yeah, I'm good, Thanks, dol

791
00:41:40,013 --> 00:41:40,973
Speaker 2: keen to hear your story.

792
00:41:42,413 --> 00:41:46,333
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I'm in my early fifties now. I was

793
00:41:46,413 --> 00:41:48,053
Speaker 10: sort of diagnosed back.

794
00:41:47,893 --> 00:41:51,413
Speaker 15: In my mid twenties with depression. Probably turns out in

795
00:41:51,493 --> 00:41:54,093
Speaker 15: hindsight it's probably more anxiety than depression. But you know,

796
00:41:54,293 --> 00:42:00,172
Speaker 15: sometimes particularly on those things were somewhat crossover. I guess

797
00:42:00,213 --> 00:42:03,213
Speaker 15: you would say many of ours on SSRIs for twenty

798
00:42:03,253 --> 00:42:05,933
Speaker 15: twenty odd years and still a large effect.

799
00:42:05,973 --> 00:42:08,933
Speaker 10: They work pretty well, able to function.

800
00:42:09,093 --> 00:42:11,853
Speaker 15: I was sort of performing as a sporting coach at

801
00:42:11,853 --> 00:42:13,653
Speaker 15: a pretty high level, so there's a little bit of

802
00:42:13,693 --> 00:42:15,933
Speaker 15: pressure and stuff, but I was, I was, I was

803
00:42:16,013 --> 00:42:18,493
Speaker 15: doing pretty well anyway. For some reason, I don't know

804
00:42:18,533 --> 00:42:21,893
Speaker 15: what the catalyst was, they stopped working to the point

805
00:42:21,933 --> 00:42:24,493
Speaker 15: where I tried all of them. I crashed pretty hard.

806
00:42:24,573 --> 00:42:29,493
Speaker 15: I embarrassingly is the wrong word, but honestly started self

807
00:42:29,533 --> 00:42:31,653
Speaker 15: harming because I needed to get away from that feeling.

808
00:42:31,733 --> 00:42:33,692
Speaker 15: And I decided one day, I said I've had enough.

809
00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:36,213
Speaker 15: I've got to stop the ship, because you know, I

810
00:42:36,293 --> 00:42:38,133
Speaker 15: could only see one pathway out of this, and it

811
00:42:38,213 --> 00:42:40,252
Speaker 15: wasn't a good pathway. I've got kids and a wife,

812
00:42:41,293 --> 00:42:44,373
Speaker 15: so anyway, I went down a bit of a different pathway.

813
00:42:44,493 --> 00:42:49,853
Speaker 15: I did a course in neural linguistic programming and basically

814
00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:53,573
Speaker 15: cognitive behavioral therapy. But you just just learned, you learn

815
00:42:53,693 --> 00:42:58,213
Speaker 15: to think differently about situations. And then I and this

816
00:42:58,333 --> 00:43:00,093
Speaker 15: is where it gets a little bit left field. I

817
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:05,213
Speaker 15: actually did two Iowaska ceremonies, so a hallucinogenic ceremony, and

818
00:43:06,133 --> 00:43:09,173
Speaker 15: I haven't had the need for any to depressant or

819
00:43:09,173 --> 00:43:12,093
Speaker 15: anti anxiety medication for eighteen months two years.

820
00:43:12,493 --> 00:43:12,652
Speaker 18: Wow.

821
00:43:13,973 --> 00:43:16,253
Speaker 10: Based on that, Yeah, it was amazing.

822
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:19,413
Speaker 2: I mean, just on there. I mean it sounds and

823
00:43:19,493 --> 00:43:21,973
Speaker 2: it may sound a bit left field to people out there,

824
00:43:22,213 --> 00:43:25,573
Speaker 2: but genuinely, there's a growing body of research when you

825
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:29,773
Speaker 2: look at the idea of microdosing. And certainly I'm not

826
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:32,693
Speaker 2: a doctor, and I'm certainly not a pharmacist, and I

827
00:43:32,813 --> 00:43:36,413
Speaker 2: don't have research experience in this area, but others do

828
00:43:36,653 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 2: and I've read those reports in those studies, and clearly

829
00:43:39,893 --> 00:43:45,533
Speaker 2: there is some positive signs of that approach working for

830
00:43:45,653 --> 00:43:46,333
Speaker 2: many people.

831
00:43:47,253 --> 00:43:47,773
Speaker 10: Very much so.

832
00:43:49,693 --> 00:43:52,333
Speaker 15: Australia are one of the first countries in the Western

833
00:43:52,413 --> 00:43:56,733
Speaker 15: world to bring psilocybin therapy, which is the ingredient of

834
00:43:56,813 --> 00:44:01,573
Speaker 15: magic mushrooms and MDMA therapy into their mental health program.

835
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:04,573
Speaker 15: And I believe the world's just sitting back and watching

836
00:44:05,093 --> 00:44:08,093
Speaker 15: to see what happens. But I certainly know from a

837
00:44:08,133 --> 00:44:11,252
Speaker 15: personal experience, micro dosing I don't think would have done

838
00:44:11,293 --> 00:44:13,252
Speaker 15: the job for me. I needed to dive right into

839
00:44:13,253 --> 00:44:15,533
Speaker 15: the deep end and have a bit of a look

840
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:18,013
Speaker 15: at myself and it was certainly an intense experience. I

841
00:44:18,013 --> 00:44:21,413
Speaker 15: wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but it was a pretty

842
00:44:21,493 --> 00:44:24,853
Speaker 15: intense experience and it was Yeah, it made a huge difference.

843
00:44:24,933 --> 00:44:30,173
Speaker 15: But the thing with hallucinogenics, my understanding, I am in

844
00:44:30,213 --> 00:44:31,973
Speaker 15: the medical industry. I'm not a doctor, but I am

845
00:44:32,013 --> 00:44:35,373
Speaker 15: in the medical industry. My understanding of hallucinogenics is they

846
00:44:36,013 --> 00:44:38,333
Speaker 15: they climbed to the top of the cliff and they

847
00:44:38,373 --> 00:44:42,013
Speaker 15: sought the problem as opposed to the SSRIs, which tend

848
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:46,613
Speaker 15: to mask the symptoms. And I felt for me that

849
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:50,653
Speaker 15: was huge, Like it just it was life changing. Is

850
00:44:50,653 --> 00:44:53,213
Speaker 15: a bit of a stretch, but it just it just

851
00:44:53,293 --> 00:44:54,573
Speaker 15: made such a massive difference.

852
00:44:55,373 --> 00:44:56,853
Speaker 2: Where best did you do it, Mike? Was that in

853
00:44:56,933 --> 00:44:59,053
Speaker 2: the state? So was that in I think you can

854
00:44:59,133 --> 00:45:00,653
Speaker 2: do it in parts of South America?

855
00:45:00,813 --> 00:45:01,172
Speaker 7: Is that right?

856
00:45:01,933 --> 00:45:02,133
Speaker 15: Yeah?

857
00:45:02,893 --> 00:45:05,493
Speaker 10: It was actually here. I wouldn't want to go into

858
00:45:05,573 --> 00:45:07,053
Speaker 10: too many more details.

859
00:45:06,653 --> 00:45:08,493
Speaker 2: Than that's been going on for quite the.

860
00:45:08,493 --> 00:45:14,013
Speaker 15: While, and I would be very, very disappointed if it

861
00:45:14,133 --> 00:45:16,493
Speaker 15: became got to a point where they stopped doing it,

862
00:45:16,573 --> 00:45:17,933
Speaker 15: because it's helped a lot of people.

863
00:45:17,973 --> 00:45:18,213
Speaker 10: I know.

864
00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:21,333
Speaker 15: I've had a friend do it with me, and yeah,

865
00:45:21,333 --> 00:45:24,653
Speaker 15: it was it was an amazing experience. I that you

866
00:45:24,813 --> 00:45:26,933
Speaker 15: certainly had to have big boy pants on when you

867
00:45:26,973 --> 00:45:28,653
Speaker 15: went and did it, because it's pretty confronting.

868
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:32,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I bet, yeah, but worked.

869
00:45:32,413 --> 00:45:35,813
Speaker 15: It worked remarkably well, and I I found.

870
00:45:35,613 --> 00:45:35,893
Speaker 10: It a.

871
00:45:37,573 --> 00:45:39,613
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm actually, to be honest with you, I probably

872
00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:41,933
Speaker 15: I probably due to go and do another little journey

873
00:45:41,933 --> 00:45:45,172
Speaker 15: at some point and work got you just basically it's

874
00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:49,533
Speaker 15: been able to identify a problem area of your personality

875
00:45:50,973 --> 00:45:56,333
Speaker 15: and confront that and for some bizarre reason, it just

876
00:45:56,533 --> 00:45:57,733
Speaker 15: delivers the answer for you.

877
00:45:58,693 --> 00:45:59,813
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's really odd. You know.

878
00:45:59,973 --> 00:46:03,293
Speaker 15: You go into the ceremony and you you have this

879
00:46:03,973 --> 00:46:06,692
Speaker 15: speaking stick, which sounds a bit odd, but you say

880
00:46:06,933 --> 00:46:08,493
Speaker 15: what you want from it and.

881
00:46:09,333 --> 00:46:11,733
Speaker 10: Both times it's delivered. It was remarkable.

882
00:46:12,933 --> 00:46:15,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know again, Mark, I've heard I don't have

883
00:46:15,853 --> 00:46:18,333
Speaker 2: any experience directly with it myself, but I have heard

884
00:46:18,373 --> 00:46:20,893
Speaker 2: from people who have undertaken that and they say similar

885
00:46:20,933 --> 00:46:24,093
Speaker 2: to what you are saying. It's a full of experience,

886
00:46:24,213 --> 00:46:27,493
Speaker 2: but an incredible experience, and they come out very different

887
00:46:27,573 --> 00:46:30,573
Speaker 2: on the on the other side. So, I mean, this

888
00:46:30,813 --> 00:46:35,093
Speaker 2: is obviously run by people who have done this for

889
00:46:35,293 --> 00:46:38,933
Speaker 2: for a long time. It's that critical support and safety

890
00:46:39,053 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 2: is paramounts and all the other aspects there correct correct.

891
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:44,933
Speaker 15: No, that it's very you're very well looked after, and

892
00:46:46,013 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 15: you know you're you're in a room with like minded

893
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:50,733
Speaker 15: individuals and you're all going through your your own ships

894
00:46:50,773 --> 00:46:54,693
Speaker 15: and excuse the language story, and yeah, you're just it.

895
00:46:55,973 --> 00:46:58,573
Speaker 15: It takes you on a journey and delivers you out

896
00:46:58,613 --> 00:46:59,933
Speaker 15: the other side. I mean, don't get me wrong, it

897
00:46:59,973 --> 00:47:01,493
Speaker 15: doesn't It doesn't do it for you.

898
00:47:02,053 --> 00:47:06,093
Speaker 10: It gives you the answers and the pathway. And that's

899
00:47:06,093 --> 00:47:06,693
Speaker 10: what it did for me.

900
00:47:06,813 --> 00:47:08,213
Speaker 15: And yeah, I don't get me wrong, I still have

901
00:47:08,453 --> 00:47:11,333
Speaker 15: days where I'm feeling a bit flat. But I mean, ultimately,

902
00:47:11,413 --> 00:47:13,173
Speaker 15: life ain't meant to be up all the time. Otherwise

903
00:47:13,173 --> 00:47:15,413
Speaker 15: you don't appreciate the moments when they are spot on.

904
00:47:15,733 --> 00:47:18,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just on that mark clearly, you know you

905
00:47:18,693 --> 00:47:20,413
Speaker 2: have some bad days like all of us. Is it

906
00:47:20,493 --> 00:47:23,573
Speaker 2: still a work in progress? With other elements? Do you incorporate?

907
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:27,213
Speaker 2: You know, therapy is their exercise, eating right, any of

908
00:47:27,293 --> 00:47:27,893
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff.

909
00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:31,133
Speaker 15: Oh, look, I mean being in the fifties, you know,

910
00:47:31,373 --> 00:47:33,893
Speaker 15: when you get to that age, you start being confronted

911
00:47:33,933 --> 00:47:36,213
Speaker 15: by your own mortality. And I want to look after myself.

912
00:47:36,293 --> 00:47:38,573
Speaker 15: So you know, I try and eat right, don't eat perfect,

913
00:47:39,013 --> 00:47:41,652
Speaker 15: but I do I meditate when I can. It gives

914
00:47:41,653 --> 00:47:44,373
Speaker 15: you that time to pull yourself back into the moment

915
00:47:44,533 --> 00:47:49,373
Speaker 15: and focus on your breathing. I exercise as often as

916
00:47:49,453 --> 00:47:51,173
Speaker 15: I can, so.

917
00:47:51,293 --> 00:47:52,652
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was fortunate enough.

918
00:47:53,213 --> 00:47:57,653
Speaker 15: My cousin's late late wife was a clinical psychologist, and

919
00:47:57,813 --> 00:48:00,613
Speaker 15: she helped me through a fairly deep part of that

920
00:48:01,533 --> 00:48:05,172
Speaker 15: trench that I was in, and she talked about cold

921
00:48:05,253 --> 00:48:07,733
Speaker 15: therapy and those sort of things that used to be

922
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:10,813
Speaker 15: done back in the day, and then Western medicine sort

923
00:48:10,853 --> 00:48:12,732
Speaker 15: of drifted away from those sort of things, but they've

924
00:48:12,773 --> 00:48:15,573
Speaker 15: started realizing that it actually can be very beneficial. It

925
00:48:15,693 --> 00:48:18,573
Speaker 15: just gives you that reset. As that previous caller said,

926
00:48:18,653 --> 00:48:21,253
Speaker 15: you know, there's no comfort in cold water.

927
00:48:21,933 --> 00:48:25,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've tried it. Yeah, I'm going to have

928
00:48:25,173 --> 00:48:27,893
Speaker 2: to toughen up a little bit and grip my teeth,

929
00:48:27,933 --> 00:48:29,973
Speaker 2: but I can see the benefits of it absolutely. I

930
00:48:30,173 --> 00:48:33,373
Speaker 2: like a cold plutch. The shower is pretty torturous, whereas

931
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:38,933
Speaker 2: a cold plutter that's exactly how it feels like. Mark, Hey,

932
00:48:39,013 --> 00:48:41,453
Speaker 2: great to get your experience. Thank you very much for

933
00:48:41,813 --> 00:48:44,813
Speaker 2: giving me a buzz. Really interesting, and we get in

934
00:48:44,853 --> 00:48:48,373
Speaker 2: a few techs on psilocybin, which is the active ingredient

935
00:48:48,773 --> 00:48:52,692
Speaker 2: in medrick mushrooms. And you'll recall there was a psychiatrist

936
00:48:52,733 --> 00:48:55,573
Speaker 2: who was granted approval about six months ago in New

937
00:48:55,693 --> 00:48:59,693
Speaker 2: Zealand to prescribe psilocybin and small doses to help with

938
00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:05,772
Speaker 2: mental health challenges and anxiety, and he was flooded worth

939
00:49:05,853 --> 00:49:09,573
Speaker 2: requests after that story broke. But clearly there is growing

940
00:49:09,653 --> 00:49:12,813
Speaker 2: research in that area. So if you are a patient

941
00:49:12,893 --> 00:49:15,053
Speaker 2: of this particular doctor, or you've tried it and it's

942
00:49:15,093 --> 00:49:16,693
Speaker 2: worked for you, love to hear from you on oh,

943
00:49:16,733 --> 00:49:19,293
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll take more of your

944
00:49:19,333 --> 00:49:22,373
Speaker 2: calls very shortly. It is sixteen past two.

945
00:49:23,413 --> 00:49:27,893
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

946
00:49:28,053 --> 00:49:32,013
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

947
00:49:34,693 --> 00:49:37,252
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. Sure we are talking about mental health

948
00:49:37,293 --> 00:49:40,213
Speaker 2: in this country. It is November, which is dedicated to

949
00:49:40,293 --> 00:49:42,573
Speaker 2: men's health, both mental and physical, so it's a good

950
00:49:42,573 --> 00:49:44,013
Speaker 2: time to have a chat about this. But keen to

951
00:49:44,093 --> 00:49:47,413
Speaker 2: hear from you. If you've gone through some mental health challenges,

952
00:49:47,493 --> 00:49:50,653
Speaker 2: what worked for you? Was it the likes of SSRIs

953
00:49:50,973 --> 00:49:56,173
Speaker 2: anti adepressant medication or was it the likes of cold

954
00:49:56,333 --> 00:50:01,093
Speaker 2: water therapy, was it exercise, eating right and perhaps therapy

955
00:50:01,173 --> 00:50:03,493
Speaker 2: as well? A lot to say about the benefits of

956
00:50:03,773 --> 00:50:06,173
Speaker 2: regular therapy. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that

957
00:50:06,373 --> 00:50:10,533
Speaker 2: number to call Natasha ic'e to chat with you? Hey,

958
00:50:10,573 --> 00:50:12,853
Speaker 2: then how are you very good? And tend to hear

959
00:50:12,893 --> 00:50:13,333
Speaker 2: your story?

960
00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:20,772
Speaker 19: Yeah, So I'm calling up because my son's ADHD autistic,

961
00:50:20,933 --> 00:50:26,573
Speaker 19: so he doesn't set into our square bridgid schooling system,

962
00:50:26,853 --> 00:50:30,173
Speaker 19: and so he because of because of that, you know,

963
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:34,133
Speaker 19: the way it takes one way of teaching. He ended

964
00:50:34,213 --> 00:50:38,533
Speaker 19: up on antidepressants and it's not it's actually very common

965
00:50:38,573 --> 00:50:40,613
Speaker 19: for our neurodiverse kids. It only takes two to three

966
00:50:40,693 --> 00:50:43,413
Speaker 19: years in our school system and internationally for them to

967
00:50:43,613 --> 00:50:46,093
Speaker 19: be suicidal, and by the age of ten they're beauty

968
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:52,093
Speaker 19: self harming. Tim with me heavily advocating, was ten suicidal

969
00:50:52,133 --> 00:50:55,252
Speaker 19: and thirteen self harming. So he ended up on quite

970
00:50:55,253 --> 00:50:59,333
Speaker 19: a lot of antidepressants. But I co founded a little

971
00:50:59,373 --> 00:51:04,493
Speaker 19: startup about mental well being well about on the friends

972
00:51:04,533 --> 00:51:07,573
Speaker 19: that's side, to work out how our brains work better.

973
00:51:07,893 --> 00:51:10,413
Speaker 19: The last I talked about personality and.

974
00:51:12,453 --> 00:51:12,813
Speaker 13: Behavior.

975
00:51:12,973 --> 00:51:15,693
Speaker 19: You know, it's how we think and there tends to

976
00:51:15,733 --> 00:51:18,773
Speaker 19: be sort of four dominant ways of thinking. Betweens you

977
00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:23,813
Speaker 19: need different information and to thrive, which is it what

978
00:51:23,893 --> 00:51:26,293
Speaker 19: we get at school, et cetera. And then our emotions,

979
00:51:26,373 --> 00:51:29,733
Speaker 19: how we're feeling emotionally that's what drives behavior and.

980
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:32,933
Speaker 2: How does that look like for people like your son

981
00:51:33,013 --> 00:51:36,533
Speaker 2: and other children? Is that effectively? Is it almost like

982
00:51:36,613 --> 00:51:38,133
Speaker 2: a type of therapy?

983
00:51:40,253 --> 00:51:43,973
Speaker 19: It's education. So what it is is that I mean

984
00:51:44,093 --> 00:51:47,053
Speaker 19: he's done because of where he got to mentally in

985
00:51:47,133 --> 00:51:48,973
Speaker 19: the school system. He has done a lot of work

986
00:51:49,053 --> 00:51:52,053
Speaker 19: with my psyche to help him work out how his

987
00:51:52,173 --> 00:51:55,973
Speaker 19: brain works and what you know, how to have a

988
00:51:56,093 --> 00:51:58,813
Speaker 19: voice on what he needs and how he can thrive.

989
00:52:00,653 --> 00:52:04,333
Speaker 19: So it's education. And what's challenging I think is you

990
00:52:04,413 --> 00:52:07,733
Speaker 19: know last month was Mental Health Awareness Week and did

991
00:52:07,773 --> 00:52:10,413
Speaker 19: you know to do years of awareness and we've got

992
00:52:10,453 --> 00:52:14,893
Speaker 19: the worst last I think Massi University did a research

993
00:52:14,973 --> 00:52:18,093
Speaker 19: in twenty twenty four and fifty seven percent of what

994
00:52:18,253 --> 00:52:22,053
Speaker 19: the workforce in New Zealand is and burnout. The challenge

995
00:52:22,093 --> 00:52:25,772
Speaker 19: with mental welbiness is, you know, when you're a little

996
00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:30,373
Speaker 19: bit stressed, sleeps, each exercise works well, but when you're

997
00:52:30,493 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 19: actually in that loop and you don't get your brain

998
00:52:34,093 --> 00:52:35,733
Speaker 19: and you don't get how stressed you are, then you

999
00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:38,373
Speaker 19: end up and burn out, and we need different tools

1000
00:52:38,413 --> 00:52:39,573
Speaker 19: in and that's what's missing.

1001
00:52:40,373 --> 00:52:43,293
Speaker 2: It is heartbreaking, absolutely, it is heartbreaking to see those

1002
00:52:43,293 --> 00:52:45,652
Speaker 2: figures in. You're right, and the Mental Health Foundation has

1003
00:52:45,733 --> 00:52:47,573
Speaker 2: been doing some good work for the past thirty years.

1004
00:52:47,613 --> 00:52:50,253
Speaker 2: But the problem is you're saying Natasha still exists. And

1005
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:53,013
Speaker 2: I think you know, generally it's it is. It feels

1006
00:52:53,053 --> 00:52:54,813
Speaker 2: like it is getting better. We can chat about it

1007
00:52:54,933 --> 00:52:57,172
Speaker 2: more and be more open about it, but I still

1008
00:52:57,253 --> 00:52:58,172
Speaker 2: think it does it don't.

1009
00:52:58,493 --> 00:53:00,172
Speaker 20: Well, it's the suicide rates.

1010
00:53:00,213 --> 00:53:02,333
Speaker 19: So the worst we've got three times that we see

1011
00:53:02,373 --> 00:53:04,772
Speaker 19: the suicide rates. That's not good.

1012
00:53:05,013 --> 00:53:06,933
Speaker 2: No, and our trag.

1013
00:53:08,733 --> 00:53:11,013
Speaker 19: And it's like we can have this. We've got JK

1014
00:53:11,213 --> 00:53:13,853
Speaker 19: and all these people going out charging a fortunate for awareness,

1015
00:53:14,533 --> 00:53:17,652
Speaker 19: but we need tools and a lot of people there's

1016
00:53:17,653 --> 00:53:20,413
Speaker 19: a lot of people thinking that they do an awareness

1017
00:53:20,413 --> 00:53:24,013
Speaker 19: thing around mental wellbeing, but they don't do anything deeper

1018
00:53:24,173 --> 00:53:27,693
Speaker 19: to help staff thrive. But yet they expect them to

1019
00:53:28,693 --> 00:53:32,053
Speaker 19: go through restructures and you know, all the things that

1020
00:53:32,133 --> 00:53:35,973
Speaker 19: are going on out there, psychosocial risks, and they wonder

1021
00:53:36,053 --> 00:53:38,413
Speaker 19: why the world's the way it is right now. Yeah,

1022
00:53:38,493 --> 00:53:40,493
Speaker 19: So I don't think there's enough thing done well.

1023
00:53:41,053 --> 00:53:44,653
Speaker 2: I mean, on the element of is it still taboo

1024
00:53:44,773 --> 00:53:46,213
Speaker 2: to talk about it? I think it is, you know,

1025
00:53:46,333 --> 00:53:48,533
Speaker 2: primarily for men. And I just say that because I'm

1026
00:53:48,533 --> 00:53:51,453
Speaker 2: a man, and clearly I've got experience with friends and

1027
00:53:52,013 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 2: look to be fear myself when I've had some some downtimes,

1028
00:53:55,413 --> 00:53:58,013
Speaker 2: not to the level that I needed medication, but certainly

1029
00:53:58,053 --> 00:54:01,732
Speaker 2: some bad days where it does feel sometimes that it's

1030
00:54:01,853 --> 00:54:05,652
Speaker 2: it's it's still very difficult to say what I'm feeling now,

1031
00:54:05,853 --> 00:54:08,093
Speaker 2: Is that normal? Am I going to bounce back from this?

1032
00:54:08,493 --> 00:54:11,813
Speaker 2: Or is this you know, an area where maybe I

1033
00:54:11,973 --> 00:54:14,973
Speaker 2: do need some extra support here. That's still difficult for

1034
00:54:15,013 --> 00:54:16,893
Speaker 2: a lot of people to ascertain and maybe you know,

1035
00:54:17,173 --> 00:54:20,413
Speaker 2: to reach out and say maybe I do need help

1036
00:54:20,733 --> 00:54:22,893
Speaker 2: at there's still that element I think in New Zealand

1037
00:54:22,933 --> 00:54:25,333
Speaker 2: in particular, that say I can I can push through this,

1038
00:54:25,573 --> 00:54:27,933
Speaker 2: I can grip my teeth and I will come right

1039
00:54:28,013 --> 00:54:30,293
Speaker 2: at some stage and I can do this by myself,

1040
00:54:30,653 --> 00:54:34,293
Speaker 2: which is heartbreaking because clearly that mentality can lead a

1041
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:38,293
Speaker 2: lot of people to get into a worse position totally.

1042
00:54:38,453 --> 00:54:40,253
Speaker 19: And I mean a couple of years back when my

1043
00:54:40,373 --> 00:54:43,053
Speaker 19: son was at college and I was helping him have

1044
00:54:43,093 --> 00:54:45,533
Speaker 19: a voice, and my ex husband was like, he needs

1045
00:54:45,573 --> 00:54:47,013
Speaker 19: to put his head and he needs to fit and

1046
00:54:47,093 --> 00:54:49,853
Speaker 19: he needs to shut up. I remember saying to Anton,

1047
00:54:49,933 --> 00:54:52,933
Speaker 19: the psake our psych and said, to people, really just

1048
00:54:53,013 --> 00:54:56,212
Speaker 19: suddenly commit suicide And he said, no, Well, he said,

1049
00:54:56,253 --> 00:54:59,293
Speaker 19: you're saying though the things. If you're told to be quiet,

1050
00:54:59,373 --> 00:55:01,773
Speaker 19: don't think, it doesn't mean you.

1051
00:55:01,853 --> 00:55:02,613
Speaker 21: Stop thinking it.

1052
00:55:02,813 --> 00:55:04,933
Speaker 19: It just means you stop saying it. And they're getting

1053
00:55:04,973 --> 00:55:07,253
Speaker 19: taught that at school. You know, from the age of

1054
00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:10,413
Speaker 19: seven or eight, shout out fit and don't talk, don't

1055
00:55:10,533 --> 00:55:14,853
Speaker 19: have an opinion. That's where it starts then, And so

1056
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:17,453
Speaker 19: it's not that people stop thinking it as someone suddenly

1057
00:55:17,493 --> 00:55:20,613
Speaker 19: commits suicide. There's quite often signs. Just a lot of

1058
00:55:20,653 --> 00:55:23,692
Speaker 19: people don't know what they look like, and so people

1059
00:55:24,173 --> 00:55:26,493
Speaker 19: but I'm a good listener, but there's a difference between

1060
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:29,453
Speaker 19: listening and people knowing that because I went through massive

1061
00:55:29,493 --> 00:55:32,493
Speaker 19: depression with it, with supporting my son, and when I

1062
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:34,453
Speaker 19: told people I was depressed that I'd lost a whole

1063
00:55:34,453 --> 00:55:37,173
Speaker 19: lot of weight, I had black dog depression, and their

1064
00:55:37,213 --> 00:55:39,813
Speaker 19: answer was, ah, when I'm depressed, I eat more and

1065
00:55:39,893 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 19: I'm like, yeah, no, this is different, so you get

1066
00:55:43,013 --> 00:55:44,173
Speaker 19: frustrated and telling.

1067
00:55:43,973 --> 00:55:47,013
Speaker 2: People with that in mind, Natasha, I mean, it's not

1068
00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:51,013
Speaker 2: a one size fits all, but the idea of a

1069
00:55:51,093 --> 00:55:54,413
Speaker 2: regular therapist, if you find the right one, just that

1070
00:55:54,613 --> 00:55:59,293
Speaker 2: person to open up to and share and be that

1071
00:56:00,133 --> 00:56:02,893
Speaker 2: listening pair of ears that isn't going to be judgmental.

1072
00:56:03,373 --> 00:56:05,293
Speaker 2: You know, this all sounds nef but that I think

1073
00:56:05,413 --> 00:56:07,933
Speaker 2: is what a lot of people feel is they burden

1074
00:56:08,013 --> 00:56:10,853
Speaker 2: others with problems they think they could probably sort themselves,

1075
00:56:11,013 --> 00:56:13,292
Speaker 2: and then again when it gets to the point where

1076
00:56:14,213 --> 00:56:17,253
Speaker 2: they can't sort it out themselves, then it becomes all

1077
00:56:17,293 --> 00:56:19,773
Speaker 2: the more difficult or or you know, as you say,

1078
00:56:19,853 --> 00:56:23,013
Speaker 2: you face the black dog, then you fall into that spiral.

1079
00:56:24,453 --> 00:56:28,373
Speaker 19: Yeah, and again it's therapists understanding and arranged brains. I mean,

1080
00:56:28,413 --> 00:56:30,733
Speaker 19: we work with people who are ADHD orchis, and if

1081
00:56:30,773 --> 00:56:35,293
Speaker 19: they go to a therapist who doesn't understand ADHD autism,

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00:56:35,453 --> 00:56:38,293
Speaker 19: they try to neuro perform them like the school system

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00:56:38,333 --> 00:56:41,093
Speaker 19: does because they simply don't know you're different. They don't

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00:56:41,173 --> 00:56:45,053
Speaker 19: have that knowledge. So there's a massive difference. And trauma,

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00:56:45,373 --> 00:56:47,133
Speaker 19: so there's also trauma therapy.

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00:56:46,853 --> 00:56:47,613
Speaker 7: That's report it too.

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00:56:48,093 --> 00:56:49,853
Speaker 19: Before you see a coach, you need to sort your

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00:56:49,893 --> 00:56:50,413
Speaker 19: trauma out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Natasha, really good to have a chat with you,

1090
00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:55,493
Speaker 2: and it sounds like you're doing some amazing work and

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00:56:56,053 --> 00:56:57,773
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're in a good space and it sounds

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00:56:57,773 --> 00:56:59,773
Speaker 2: like it's working really well for your child as well.

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00:57:00,053 --> 00:57:02,373
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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00:57:02,453 --> 00:57:04,293
Speaker 2: call when it comes to your own mental wealth? Is

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00:57:04,373 --> 00:57:06,573
Speaker 2: that still true? You know we talk about that that

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00:57:06,813 --> 00:57:10,893
Speaker 2: taboo of being able to talk about it freely and sadly.

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00:57:11,013 --> 00:57:14,373
Speaker 2: I still think that is slightly ingrained in many parts

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00:57:14,453 --> 00:57:16,773
Speaker 2: of New Zealand. And it's not to say that people

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00:57:16,813 --> 00:57:18,653
Speaker 2: wouldn't help you if you asked for it, but it

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00:57:18,813 --> 00:57:21,933
Speaker 2: is that initial Am I at a place that I

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00:57:22,333 --> 00:57:24,653
Speaker 2: need that extra support or am I going to battle

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00:57:24,693 --> 00:57:27,373
Speaker 2: through this myself? And whether there are love to hear

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00:57:27,373 --> 00:57:30,693
Speaker 2: your experiences, whether there are easy supports out there to

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00:57:30,773 --> 00:57:32,413
Speaker 2: be able to kick and if you need it, Oh,

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00:57:32,453 --> 00:57:34,533
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

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00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:37,053
Speaker 2: We're talking about this because it is November this month

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00:57:37,133 --> 00:57:39,533
Speaker 2: as well, which is a great cause. Back in a

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00:57:39,573 --> 00:57:41,813
Speaker 2: month though it is twenty six past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk, Zabe.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, youre we are talking about mental health. It

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00:57:54,933 --> 00:57:57,373
Speaker 2: is November this month, so a good time to have

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00:57:57,573 --> 00:58:00,333
Speaker 2: this discussion. But we've been What kicked off this discussion

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00:58:01,093 --> 00:58:04,213
Speaker 2: was emerging research about the use of antidepressant drunks like

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00:58:04,493 --> 00:58:09,333
Speaker 2: SSRI's life saving for many people, but it is not

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00:58:09,533 --> 00:58:11,733
Speaker 2: a one size fits all for a lot of other people.

1117
00:58:12,373 --> 00:58:14,613
Speaker 2: They think that it is going to help them when

1118
00:58:14,613 --> 00:58:18,493
Speaker 2: they're facing mental health challenges, but it turns out, sometimes sadly,

1119
00:58:18,653 --> 00:58:21,173
Speaker 2: to do the opposite or make things a lot harder.

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00:58:21,293 --> 00:58:23,533
Speaker 2: So the question we asked was what worked for you

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00:58:23,693 --> 00:58:26,013
Speaker 2: when you face those mental health challenges. Oh one hundred

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00:58:26,013 --> 00:58:27,933
Speaker 2: and eighteen eighty is that number to call? Get a

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00:58:28,013 --> 00:58:29,613
Speaker 2: cold man?

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00:58:29,693 --> 00:58:30,213
Speaker 12: How are you doing?

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00:58:30,453 --> 00:58:30,893
Speaker 2: I'm good.

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00:58:31,733 --> 00:58:36,813
Speaker 12: I had my daughter, she was self harming and ended

1127
00:58:36,893 --> 00:58:41,813
Speaker 12: up at mental health on the North Shore. Now all

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00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:45,493
Speaker 12: these people wanted to do was to shove drugs down

1129
00:58:45,613 --> 00:58:49,773
Speaker 12: hearth throat and I just had shouting match after shouting

1130
00:58:49,853 --> 00:58:53,613
Speaker 12: match with them, and I said, that's not going to

1131
00:58:53,733 --> 00:58:57,213
Speaker 12: cure anything. You have to find out what the cause

1132
00:58:57,293 --> 00:59:00,093
Speaker 12: that not just throw some pills at it. So that's

1133
00:59:00,173 --> 00:59:05,813
Speaker 12: going to fix it. And anyway, they it keeps sending

1134
00:59:05,933 --> 00:59:08,173
Speaker 12: up prescriptions and then they'd ring and so you have

1135
00:59:08,213 --> 00:59:11,493
Speaker 12: it picked up your prescription that I told you it's

1136
00:59:11,573 --> 00:59:15,853
Speaker 12: not taking drugs, which was only fifteen. Then when she

1137
00:59:16,013 --> 00:59:21,373
Speaker 12: turned sixteen, that day they rang and they said, oh,

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00:59:21,453 --> 00:59:24,893
Speaker 12: your daughter's got an appointment. And my daughter came to

1139
00:59:24,973 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 12: me and said, oh, Dad, apparently I've got an appointment

1140
00:59:28,133 --> 00:59:30,933
Speaker 12: at this place. I said, oh, okay, So I took

1141
00:59:31,013 --> 00:59:34,893
Speaker 12: it down and they said, well, now that you're sixteen,

1142
00:59:35,653 --> 00:59:40,973
Speaker 12: you don't need your parents' consent to take the drugs. Mate.

1143
00:59:41,613 --> 00:59:45,653
Speaker 12: It's like a like a legal drug pusher. And I

1144
00:59:45,853 --> 00:59:47,773
Speaker 12: just lost. I just went right off.

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Speaker 2: Now, I mean, that is tough for you as a

1146
00:59:51,053 --> 00:59:53,973
Speaker 2: father culture to have to deal with that. Can I

1147
00:59:54,133 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 2: just ask so this was the general practitioner or the

1148
00:59:57,413 --> 01:00:02,533
Speaker 2: doctor that initially said this may help, yeah.

1149
01:00:02,493 --> 01:00:06,693
Speaker 12: Down, yes, yeah. Any way, I just went right again.

1150
01:00:07,013 --> 01:00:10,733
Speaker 12: And now a couple of years on, you know, she's

1151
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:15,533
Speaker 12: as good as gold and you know, just applying for

1152
01:00:15,613 --> 01:00:18,533
Speaker 12: a new job. But Corntas says that your hostess.

1153
01:00:18,653 --> 01:00:21,293
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so stoked to hear that. Carl really

1154
01:00:21,373 --> 01:00:22,333
Speaker 2: really happy to hear this.

1155
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Speaker 12: Just unbelievable, the amount of anguish that I had to

1156
01:00:25,933 --> 01:00:29,093
Speaker 12: go through, and as a Christian as well, you know,

1157
01:00:29,173 --> 01:00:33,253
Speaker 12: I tried to tell them, you know that what you're

1158
01:00:33,293 --> 01:00:36,133
Speaker 12: doing is wrong, you know, and that's just I don't know.

1159
01:00:37,013 --> 01:00:39,733
Speaker 12: I was like, I was just up against brick wall.

1160
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Speaker 2: Carl. I'm sorry you had to go through that. I'm

1161
01:00:42,573 --> 01:00:45,493
Speaker 2: glad your daughter is doing far better now and amazing

1162
01:00:45,533 --> 01:00:47,693
Speaker 2: to hear that she's just about to go for a

1163
01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:51,373
Speaker 2: job as a as a ear hostess, which is phenomenal.

1164
01:00:51,853 --> 01:00:56,253
Speaker 2: I mean on the SSRIs and the antidepressant drugs, and

1165
01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:59,493
Speaker 2: clearly I am not a doctor, but a lot of

1166
01:00:59,613 --> 01:01:04,133
Speaker 2: texts are coming through that those particular medications saved people's lives.

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01:01:04,693 --> 01:01:07,333
Speaker 2: And from the doctor's point of view, if that is

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01:01:07,413 --> 01:01:10,333
Speaker 2: going to alleviate some of these mental health issues, then

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01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:14,213
Speaker 2: absolutely that is their role to prescribe that as an option.

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01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:19,693
Speaker 2: And I suppose what brought on this conversation was November

1171
01:01:20,373 --> 01:01:23,173
Speaker 2: being the month of November. It is a great cause

1172
01:01:23,213 --> 01:01:26,213
Speaker 2: and a great charity that tries to raise funds for

1173
01:01:26,613 --> 01:01:32,453
Speaker 2: men's mental health and physical health. But the growing body

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01:01:32,493 --> 01:01:35,053
Speaker 2: of evidence around those SSRIs that it's not a one

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01:01:35,293 --> 01:01:39,653
Speaker 2: size fits all for many people saves their life fantastic

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01:01:40,693 --> 01:01:43,373
Speaker 2: and for others they have to look maybe a little

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01:01:43,413 --> 01:01:45,493
Speaker 2: bit further afield to find something that works for them.

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Speaker 2: So keen to hear from you. O eight one hundred

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01:01:47,453 --> 01:01:51,173
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty. If the antidepressant SSRIs worked well

1180
01:01:51,253 --> 01:01:54,533
Speaker 2: for you, really keen to get your experiences. But also

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01:01:54,773 --> 01:01:56,773
Speaker 2: if you were one of the people that it didn't

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01:01:56,813 --> 01:01:59,973
Speaker 2: work so well for, what did help you? Was it therapy,

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01:02:00,213 --> 01:02:05,133
Speaker 2: a regular therapy session. Was it as simple as exercising

1184
01:02:05,213 --> 01:02:08,333
Speaker 2: more and eating a bit better? And those support networks,

1185
01:02:08,613 --> 01:02:10,773
Speaker 2: they are massive, no doubt about it. You've got to

1186
01:02:10,853 --> 01:02:13,733
Speaker 2: have if you're lucky enough, and many of us aren't

1187
01:02:13,773 --> 01:02:16,653
Speaker 2: lucky enough to have some pretty incredible support networks around.

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01:02:16,693 --> 01:02:19,453
Speaker 2: When you are going through those tough times, people you

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01:02:19,613 --> 01:02:23,173
Speaker 2: trust and support are to direct you where you need

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01:02:23,253 --> 01:02:25,053
Speaker 2: to go and to offer you the support that you need.

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01:02:25,213 --> 01:02:27,333
Speaker 2: Really keen to get your stories. Oh, eight hundred and

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01:02:27,373 --> 01:02:29,533
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call headlines with

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01:02:29,693 --> 01:02:32,013
Speaker 2: railing coming up? It is twenty seventy three.

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Speaker 11: Juice talks at the headlines with blue Bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 11: no trouble with a Blue Bubble. A destructive scrub fire

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Speaker 11: has been contained in about three hours in Canterbury's Darfield

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Speaker 11: after burning three structures in a property spilling onto the street.

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Speaker 11: Fire and Emergency is bringing in a twenty ton digger

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Speaker 11: to fully extinguish the blaze. Work Safes investigating after a

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Speaker 11: person died at a hawks Bay juice factory. Police were

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Speaker 11: called to a sudden death at the Homegrown Juice Company

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Speaker 11: and Hastings last Friday morning. Two twenty year olds were

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Speaker 11: arrested last night on Dunedin's Castle Street after fireworks were

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Speaker 11: aimed at police and other students. One was released with warning,

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Speaker 11: been arrested in the Thirds, being sought over burnouts downe

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Speaker 11: outside of funeral at Auckland's Owaiko Mattez Cemetery, two cars

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Speaker 11: and a motorbike was seized. Faring ARD's Lion Park's last

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Speaker 11: seven elderly big cats are being euthanized this week. The

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about

1215
01:03:50,853 --> 01:03:55,373
Speaker 2: mental health. It is November this month, and we're talking

1216
01:03:55,413 --> 01:03:57,933
Speaker 2: about your experiences and what worked for you when you

1217
01:03:58,013 --> 01:04:00,093
Speaker 2: did face some mental health challenges. Oh, one hundred and

1218
01:04:00,093 --> 01:04:02,613
Speaker 2: eight ten eighty is that number to call Victoria. Very

1219
01:04:02,653 --> 01:04:05,653
Speaker 2: good afternoon to you, Hi, Gay, Thanks for having me on,

1220
01:04:05,973 --> 01:04:06,853
Speaker 2: Thank you for ringing.

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01:04:08,413 --> 01:04:09,053
Speaker 7: Have such an.

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01:04:08,933 --> 01:04:12,213
Speaker 22: Important topic to be talking about. Thank you sort of

1223
01:04:12,253 --> 01:04:13,773
Speaker 22: exactly the sort of thing I think we should be

1224
01:04:13,853 --> 01:04:18,373
Speaker 22: talking about. And wonderful words. I think it was Natasha

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01:04:18,573 --> 01:04:23,413
Speaker 22: could really relate. I feel for that man. So I

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01:04:23,853 --> 01:04:25,893
Speaker 22: just had a lot to say on the matter. I'll

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Speaker 22: try and start. I guess there are so many things

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Speaker 22: to say depression. You can't outthink depression. It's not a

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01:04:33,773 --> 01:04:37,013
Speaker 22: matter of all but the scar Okay, how.

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Speaker 6: Can I put it?

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Speaker 22: In New Zealand, there's so much blame and shame, and

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01:04:40,173 --> 01:04:41,613
Speaker 22: the stigma is prevalent.

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Speaker 19: Okay.

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Speaker 22: I've tried to take my lust and respimes and I've

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01:04:44,333 --> 01:04:47,373
Speaker 22: survived because I talked, because I've picked off the phone.

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Speaker 22: I've known a lot of other people made men who

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01:04:51,293 --> 01:04:58,133
Speaker 22: didn't anathotistics. I feel like a New Zealan men's even women.

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01:04:58,333 --> 01:05:00,733
Speaker 22: We're very reserved. We don't really talk about our feelings.

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01:05:01,973 --> 01:05:03,613
Speaker 22: People often say to me or we do know what

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01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:06,053
Speaker 22: to say it, and I'd say, you don't have to

1241
01:05:06,133 --> 01:05:10,653
Speaker 22: say anything. It's not a solution. It's just listening and

1242
01:05:11,373 --> 01:05:13,293
Speaker 22: what am I trying to say? Yeah, I feel like

1243
01:05:13,333 --> 01:05:15,453
Speaker 22: it's very ingredd in New Zealand culture. I think it

1244
01:05:15,533 --> 01:05:19,893
Speaker 22: goes right through Rugby, very stoic. We are men. We

1245
01:05:19,973 --> 01:05:22,373
Speaker 22: passed on a book. We don't you know, we just

1246
01:05:22,493 --> 01:05:25,173
Speaker 22: get over it. There's expressions I can't see. Get over it.

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01:05:26,773 --> 01:05:29,613
Speaker 22: You know, it's not that bad. We're in a great country.

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01:05:29,733 --> 01:05:32,013
Speaker 22: What have you got to be? What you got to

1249
01:05:32,053 --> 01:05:34,613
Speaker 22: be sad about? You can't be sad? You know all

1250
01:05:34,653 --> 01:05:37,773
Speaker 22: these sorts of expressions, man up, you know all these things,

1251
01:05:37,813 --> 01:05:40,453
Speaker 22: which is just so damaging. I think these sorts of

1252
01:05:40,533 --> 01:05:44,533
Speaker 22: messages should be really I brought into school primary school.

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01:05:45,293 --> 01:05:48,853
Speaker 22: But I've witnessed this with my family. Also, speaking of family,

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01:05:49,053 --> 01:05:51,773
Speaker 22: it came hereditary, but my whole family has a long

1255
01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:55,613
Speaker 22: list of depressions. Everyone in my family. So we have

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01:05:55,693 --> 01:05:59,973
Speaker 22: an antidepressant. As I say to people and depression has layers,

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01:06:00,253 --> 01:06:03,053
Speaker 22: you know, I'm ADHD. Took me twenty years to get it.

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01:06:03,613 --> 01:06:06,413
Speaker 22: It took me, yeah eight, I've just got a diagnosis.

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01:06:08,373 --> 01:06:10,973
Speaker 22: Depression is very layers. There can be trauma, there can

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01:06:11,053 --> 01:06:15,333
Speaker 22: be addiction. ADHD big word trauma, greet And as I

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01:06:15,373 --> 01:06:18,053
Speaker 22: say to people, people say, I feel sad, and people

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01:06:18,133 --> 01:06:20,733
Speaker 22: so literally don't. It's like place and I feel hungry.

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01:06:21,053 --> 01:06:23,613
Speaker 22: You wouldn't say you don't feel hungry. And as I say,

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01:06:23,693 --> 01:06:27,533
Speaker 22: there's something missing in the brain, like my ADHD, it's

1265
01:06:27,573 --> 01:06:30,133
Speaker 22: a missing piece. So I take a medication and it

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01:06:30,253 --> 01:06:31,333
Speaker 22: has been life saving.

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Speaker 2: The victoria and the feature're still with us.

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Speaker 22: As well, and it's for good's verant and and people

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01:06:39,373 --> 01:06:40,773
Speaker 22: don't get it. And I said to my I'll just

1270
01:06:40,813 --> 01:06:43,413
Speaker 22: say one quick thing is people think, you know, I

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01:06:43,493 --> 01:06:46,053
Speaker 22: say to people, well feel the epilepsy. People use it,

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01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:48,773
Speaker 22: use it, you know, tanject them stuff right the heart?

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01:06:49,733 --> 01:06:52,213
Speaker 22: You take hell, don't you You know, if you have

1274
01:06:52,293 --> 01:06:55,733
Speaker 22: it a previous thing condition you're taken inhaler. If there

1275
01:06:55,813 --> 01:06:58,053
Speaker 22: is something in your brain which is no fault of

1276
01:06:58,133 --> 01:07:00,613
Speaker 22: your own. It could be like if their genetics and

1277
01:07:00,693 --> 01:07:04,453
Speaker 22: you know, obviously our life experience affects our mental health.

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01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:07,093
Speaker 22: There are so many things. It is a real thing.

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01:07:07,373 --> 01:07:10,613
Speaker 22: There's missing like abhdly dota mean is missing. So therefore

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01:07:10,853 --> 01:07:16,613
Speaker 22: medication tops it up. Now that it's not a you know,

1281
01:07:16,693 --> 01:07:19,293
Speaker 22: it's not gone capsules. You know that alone is not enough.

1282
01:07:19,453 --> 01:07:24,253
Speaker 22: It has to be supported by for me, therapy, dance, exercise, gratitude, lift,

1283
01:07:24,293 --> 01:07:26,893
Speaker 22: all those sorts of things. But yes, anti depressions are

1284
01:07:27,053 --> 01:07:30,293
Speaker 22: very important, just as any medicine for any other condition.

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01:07:30,613 --> 01:07:34,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautifully said Victoria, And you articulated that very well.

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01:07:34,613 --> 01:07:38,173
Speaker 2: But just on the you know, talking about if you're

1287
01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:42,413
Speaker 2: facing a mental health challenge, and it's just my thought.

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01:07:42,693 --> 01:07:45,333
Speaker 2: I think the challenges and I can only speak from

1289
01:07:45,373 --> 01:07:47,293
Speaker 2: a male perspective, but I think the challenges for a

1290
01:07:47,333 --> 01:07:49,053
Speaker 2: lot of guys. And whether it is the Shelby ride

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Speaker 2: or I've got to fix this myself mentality, perhaps that's

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Speaker 2: a part of it. But I think for a lot

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01:07:53,773 --> 01:07:57,293
Speaker 2: of guys, they have been fine for many years, many decades,

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01:07:57,413 --> 01:08:02,773
Speaker 2: and maybe for the first time things start to unravel

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01:08:02,853 --> 01:08:05,453
Speaker 2: in the brain, maybe when they're forty, maybe when they're fifty,

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Speaker 2: and I think for a lot of guys they're not

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01:08:07,893 --> 01:08:11,373
Speaker 2: quite or why there's nothing really that is that has

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01:08:11,533 --> 01:08:13,853
Speaker 2: changed in their life all of a sudden, they're just

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01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:17,093
Speaker 2: finding themselves struggling a lot more than they were a

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01:08:17,173 --> 01:08:19,693
Speaker 2: couple of months ago. So then that's very easy to

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01:08:19,813 --> 01:08:22,973
Speaker 2: think I will get I will be all right. I'm

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01:08:23,013 --> 01:08:25,053
Speaker 2: just going to push through this. I'm going to read

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01:08:25,093 --> 01:08:27,852
Speaker 2: some books. I'm just going to sort this out myself.

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01:08:28,372 --> 01:08:31,692
Speaker 2: But that is heartbreaking, isn't it. Because when you had

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01:08:31,772 --> 01:08:33,812
Speaker 2: that moment and you might be questioning, say, what the

1306
01:08:33,853 --> 01:08:36,013
Speaker 2: hell is going on with my brain? This sucks and

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01:08:36,093 --> 01:08:38,972
Speaker 2: I can't understand it? That is kind of the time

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01:08:39,053 --> 01:08:41,572
Speaker 2: that you should be looking for those extra support networks

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01:08:41,612 --> 01:08:43,572
Speaker 2: on people who have been there themselves.

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Speaker 22: I think so, because it's you know, look, it's scary,

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01:08:46,253 --> 01:08:48,572
Speaker 22: and you know, I got out some terrible doctors. I've said,

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01:08:48,652 --> 01:08:50,532
Speaker 22: like I'm still father. I said, go to yoga, have

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01:08:50,612 --> 01:08:53,532
Speaker 22: a cup of tea. You know, I just dreadful, awful.

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01:08:54,372 --> 01:08:57,732
Speaker 22: So I would say exactly, Sometimes, well, it appears to

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01:08:57,812 --> 01:09:00,493
Speaker 22: maybe come out of the blue, but sometimes from my experience,

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01:09:00,572 --> 01:09:02,852
Speaker 22: it could be delayed brief. Maybe you've been loved for

1317
01:09:02,973 --> 01:09:05,213
Speaker 22: your job, maybe you divorced, maybe you couldn't have kids,

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01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:07,812
Speaker 22: Maybe you I don't know, maybe you've done really well.

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Speaker 17: In your job.

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Speaker 22: It could be anything. There's no you know, mental health doesn't.

1321
01:09:13,532 --> 01:09:14,053
Speaker 20: You know, there's no.

1322
01:09:14,372 --> 01:09:16,612
Speaker 22: It doesn't dictate to you. You know, it just fixts everybody,

1323
01:09:17,013 --> 01:09:20,052
Speaker 22: all creep, all colors and exactly come out of the blue,

1324
01:09:20,093 --> 01:09:22,412
Speaker 22: and people kind of go, well, where does it come from?

1325
01:09:23,053 --> 01:09:28,772
Speaker 22: And it's scary. Those feelings are very scary, and I

1326
01:09:28,853 --> 01:09:31,012
Speaker 22: think that's the thing to kind of realize that, oh, okay,

1327
01:09:31,093 --> 01:09:35,372
Speaker 22: this is happening, and to recognize that and for God's sake,

1328
01:09:35,652 --> 01:09:39,293
Speaker 22: just yeah, but we don't allow us things to those

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01:09:39,293 --> 01:09:42,532
Speaker 22: sorry gentlemen earlier, Like I live in Europe, breach Italian men.

1330
01:09:42,652 --> 01:09:45,173
Speaker 22: You know, they talk as I'm talking to you. I

1331
01:09:45,253 --> 01:09:48,692
Speaker 22: speak languages. My hands are gesticulating wildly. We connect on

1332
01:09:48,772 --> 01:09:50,572
Speaker 22: a deep level. Whereas I do think it's a cultural

1333
01:09:50,652 --> 01:09:52,692
Speaker 22: thing here. You know, people think, oh, I'm going to

1334
01:09:52,732 --> 01:09:56,933
Speaker 22: be a burden. Well really think much. You know, the

1335
01:09:57,053 --> 01:10:00,932
Speaker 22: life is much better anyway. I would just say, you know, yeah,

1336
01:10:01,053 --> 01:10:06,133
Speaker 22: checking in, but just as as borning as it might be. Yes,

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01:10:06,213 --> 01:10:08,612
Speaker 22: exercise is great. There are so many things people have

1338
01:10:08,692 --> 01:10:10,253
Speaker 22: told me you just need to do this. You just

1339
01:10:10,572 --> 01:10:11,932
Speaker 22: sometimes it is not enough.

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Speaker 2: The Sky Daughters yeah, Victoria.

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01:10:15,213 --> 01:10:17,452
Speaker 22: Yeah, so just pick up the phone one of those

1342
01:10:17,492 --> 01:10:20,412
Speaker 22: just pick up Lifeline, one of those free front numbers.

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01:10:20,532 --> 01:10:21,532
Speaker 5: And it's a none of us.

1344
01:10:23,013 --> 01:10:25,452
Speaker 22: Rather than a drink or pick up a pillans and

1345
01:10:25,572 --> 01:10:27,333
Speaker 22: I go down to down the girdler.

1346
01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:27,772
Speaker 19: Pick up the phone.

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01:10:27,973 --> 01:10:31,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, Victoria. Really good to get your thoughts and thank

1348
01:10:31,853 --> 01:10:35,053
Speaker 2: you very much, beautifully articulated and glad you're doing so

1349
01:10:35,173 --> 01:10:38,732
Speaker 2: much better as well. But fantastic words. Thank you very much.

1350
01:10:38,812 --> 01:10:42,412
Speaker 2: And we will read out some of those support lines

1351
01:10:42,452 --> 01:10:44,893
Speaker 2: and we're to turn to for help. We'll get to

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01:10:45,173 --> 01:10:47,213
Speaker 2: that next and coming up very shortly, we are also

1353
01:10:47,293 --> 01:10:49,133
Speaker 2: going to have a chat to Robert Dunn. He's the

1354
01:10:49,173 --> 01:10:51,812
Speaker 2: country manager for November and that is part of the

1355
01:10:51,853 --> 01:10:53,852
Speaker 2: reason why we're having a chat about mental health today.

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01:10:54,173 --> 01:10:56,412
Speaker 2: So that is coming up very shortly. But taking more

1357
01:10:56,452 --> 01:10:58,293
Speaker 2: of your calls. On one hundred and eighteen eighty it

1358
01:10:58,452 --> 01:11:01,212
Speaker 2: is sixteen to three Matt.

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Speaker 1: Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be thirteen to three, Peter, how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: How you doing?

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Speaker 21: Just did I relate in my own experience and one

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01:11:16,692 --> 01:11:21,092
Speaker 21: of the things that I've found is that a typical

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01:11:21,173 --> 01:11:23,652
Speaker 21: New Zealand bloke doesn't differentiate between a bad day and

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01:11:23,692 --> 01:11:28,572
Speaker 21: a terrible event. They minimize the terrible events and as

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01:11:28,732 --> 01:11:30,932
Speaker 21: such they just got a treat it like a bad day,

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01:11:31,013 --> 01:11:34,333
Speaker 21: but they never really deal with it. And so what

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01:11:34,452 --> 01:11:38,412
Speaker 21: happens is, rather than you know, treating it like like

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01:11:38,572 --> 01:11:40,692
Speaker 21: as w a bad day, just write it off a

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01:11:40,772 --> 01:11:44,532
Speaker 21: beer bitch. Teammates though these terrible events if you'd like,

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01:11:44,652 --> 01:11:47,213
Speaker 21: you have a relationship breakup and marriage breakdown.

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Speaker 7: And my case was.

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Speaker 21: Cancer and I went through all the treatment and a

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01:11:54,532 --> 01:11:58,173
Speaker 21: couple of years afterwards, I just found myself, you know,

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01:11:58,293 --> 01:12:00,732
Speaker 21: having some really really dark thoughts, go to some really

1378
01:12:00,772 --> 01:12:04,452
Speaker 21: really dark places. So you know, I contacted a few people,

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01:12:04,492 --> 01:12:06,933
Speaker 21: the cancers so brilliant they put me in touch with

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01:12:07,013 --> 01:12:11,532
Speaker 21: some counselors and any deprisons for about six months, and

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Speaker 21: it just gave me this the space between you know,

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01:12:16,053 --> 01:12:18,412
Speaker 21: the dark feelings and the intellect who have actually put

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Speaker 21: things into context.

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Speaker 2: If you get one on feelings, yeah, I mean it's

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01:12:23,652 --> 01:12:26,612
Speaker 2: so so lucky you had that that support network. And

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01:12:26,732 --> 01:12:28,812
Speaker 2: I mean lucky is a poor choice of words, because

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Speaker 2: I'm so sorry you had to go through through cancer,

1388
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:35,452
Speaker 2: but you know it's it's a weird thing to say, Peter. Yeah,

1389
01:12:35,532 --> 01:12:38,333
Speaker 2: well I'm super super tough to hear that. But having

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01:12:38,412 --> 01:12:41,933
Speaker 2: those people there that that could point you in the

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01:12:42,053 --> 01:12:45,333
Speaker 2: right direction and give you that ability to speak to

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01:12:45,732 --> 01:12:48,772
Speaker 2: to others who can understand and get and you know,

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01:12:48,933 --> 01:12:53,252
Speaker 2: give you that that advice and and obviously the medication

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01:12:53,412 --> 01:12:54,372
Speaker 2: helped help to treat.

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Speaker 21: I mean that is I'll tell you one one really

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01:12:57,452 --> 01:13:02,013
Speaker 21: surprising symptom of depression. And not everybody gets that, but

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Speaker 21: it is. You know, something that's in the literature is

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01:13:05,173 --> 01:13:09,253
Speaker 21: you can still taste what food tastes like, but you

1399
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:12,133
Speaker 21: don't enjoy the taste. You know what I mean, it's

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01:13:12,173 --> 01:13:15,253
Speaker 21: really fun. You don't enjoy food anymore. And after about

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01:13:15,293 --> 01:13:16,652
Speaker 21: three days and agy of the press and so I

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01:13:16,692 --> 01:13:19,333
Speaker 21: had Christmas dinner and it was just like, oh, I

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01:13:19,412 --> 01:13:21,932
Speaker 21: can taste food in you. It's brilliant.

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01:13:22,173 --> 01:13:25,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that is a positive side effect, Peter,

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01:13:26,412 --> 01:13:28,333
Speaker 2: along with all the rest of them for you obviously.

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01:13:28,973 --> 01:13:31,133
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, you're in my watchcook. It was brilliant at

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01:13:31,133 --> 01:13:31,652
Speaker 21: the best of time.

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01:13:31,772 --> 01:13:35,452
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, So what was it that that changed

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01:13:35,492 --> 01:13:36,973
Speaker 2: for you, Peter? When you went on the medication, and

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01:13:37,053 --> 01:13:39,293
Speaker 2: it does understand it for many people it takes a

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01:13:39,372 --> 01:13:42,172
Speaker 2: week while to that you start to feel those effects.

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01:13:42,253 --> 01:13:44,532
Speaker 2: But it was was it almost like a cloud had

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01:13:44,572 --> 01:13:47,732
Speaker 2: been removed, that you could have some clarity again.

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01:13:48,612 --> 01:13:52,052
Speaker 21: It was being able to look at it from an

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01:13:52,173 --> 01:13:54,372
Speaker 21: intellectual to speak of, and not on the motive one.

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01:13:54,412 --> 01:13:58,253
Speaker 21: It kind of took the emotion out of it and

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01:13:59,452 --> 01:14:01,893
Speaker 21: I was able to deal with what was going on

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01:14:02,093 --> 01:14:05,813
Speaker 21: less on an instinctive but more on a thoughtful, considered,

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01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:09,893
Speaker 21: contemplative basis. So it really worked in a well with

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01:14:10,053 --> 01:14:14,812
Speaker 21: the counseling. So sometimes counseling itself doesn't work, and I

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01:14:14,933 --> 01:14:17,612
Speaker 21: don't think medication by itself works, But if you get

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01:14:17,652 --> 01:14:20,812
Speaker 21: the two together, they can work together and really really

1423
01:14:20,893 --> 01:14:23,492
Speaker 21: get you to a good place. But the first thing

1424
01:14:23,572 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 21: I'll do is ask for help. And but it's face

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01:14:25,893 --> 01:14:27,253
Speaker 21: that what you blokes.

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01:14:27,053 --> 01:14:31,173
Speaker 2: Suck at that, Yeah, we certainly do. And you know again, Peter,

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01:14:31,293 --> 01:14:34,093
Speaker 2: it is I don't know why it is so tough,

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01:14:34,213 --> 01:14:37,133
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of fellers. And this is

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01:14:37,173 --> 01:14:39,412
Speaker 2: a question I'm putting to you, but is it because

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01:14:40,572 --> 01:14:43,492
Speaker 2: you worry that other guys that you may chat to

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01:14:43,652 --> 01:14:47,372
Speaker 2: or even even women in your life. They it feels

1432
01:14:47,412 --> 01:14:48,933
Speaker 2: like a burden that you might put on them and

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01:14:49,013 --> 01:14:51,972
Speaker 2: they might not necessarily have the tools to be able

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01:14:52,053 --> 01:14:55,253
Speaker 2: to help you. So that education across the board for

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01:14:55,572 --> 01:14:58,133
Speaker 2: all of us on where to go if you need

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01:14:58,253 --> 01:15:01,732
Speaker 2: some extra support, and whether you know chating to your

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01:15:01,772 --> 01:15:05,293
Speaker 2: GP is the first step. All those elements might get

1438
01:15:05,412 --> 01:15:07,053
Speaker 2: us a little bit further along the track, and just

1439
01:15:07,133 --> 01:15:08,092
Speaker 2: being a bit more open.

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01:15:09,293 --> 01:15:12,333
Speaker 21: I think that would help. I think that there's a

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01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:16,932
Speaker 21: certain problem with society at the moment, and that particularly

1442
01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:20,452
Speaker 21: with social media. People go to work and they go home,

1443
01:15:20,532 --> 01:15:24,133
Speaker 21: and they don't have a third place to go to,

1444
01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:28,293
Speaker 21: a third option. They don't have the social aspect that

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01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 21: they used to They don't have their mates down the pub,

1446
01:15:31,133 --> 01:15:33,173
Speaker 21: they don't have the sports clubs that they used to have,

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01:15:33,572 --> 01:15:35,852
Speaker 21: they don't have the community organizations.

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01:15:35,253 --> 01:15:35,893
Speaker 14: That we used to have.

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Speaker 21: And I think there needs to be a lot more

1450
01:15:38,452 --> 01:15:43,173
Speaker 21: of that within society as well. Less digital communication, more

1451
01:15:43,253 --> 01:15:43,852
Speaker 21: face to face.

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01:15:44,133 --> 01:15:46,892
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a lot.

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01:15:46,853 --> 01:15:48,532
Speaker 21: That we can do to make our mental health better,

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01:15:48,692 --> 01:15:51,852
Speaker 21: but the first thing we've got to do is recognize.

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01:15:51,293 --> 01:15:54,213
Speaker 2: When it's not yeah, spot on, Peter, and you're banging

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01:15:54,293 --> 01:15:56,492
Speaker 2: on with those social connections and there's something that feels

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01:15:56,532 --> 01:15:58,772
Speaker 2: like we've lost in many elements of New Zealand society

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01:15:59,013 --> 01:16:02,372
Speaker 2: and that is a massive part of general good mental health.

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01:16:02,412 --> 01:16:04,572
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for giving me a call. Oh

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01:16:04,612 --> 01:16:06,253
Speaker 2: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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01:16:06,253 --> 01:16:09,132
Speaker 2: to call? It is eight minutes to three for surely.

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01:16:10,412 --> 01:16:12,772
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1463
01:16:12,853 --> 01:16:16,772
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 20: That'd be.

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01:16:18,893 --> 01:16:21,092
Speaker 2: Phil, old friend. How are you mate?

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Speaker 23: Oh?

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01:16:23,333 --> 01:16:24,892
Speaker 17: Okay, Tyland, my young friend.

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01:16:24,933 --> 01:16:27,333
Speaker 2: How are you not too bad? Mate? I mean it's

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01:16:27,732 --> 01:16:30,412
Speaker 2: it's been a good discussion. But it's been a while

1470
01:16:30,452 --> 01:16:32,333
Speaker 2: since me and you have had a catch up mate,

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01:16:32,372 --> 01:16:34,772
Speaker 2: But I obviously know that you've had some mental health

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01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:36,572
Speaker 2: challenges in your time. How are you doing at the moment.

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01:16:38,532 --> 01:16:41,852
Speaker 17: I'm still battling away. I'm still on a sort of

1474
01:16:41,933 --> 01:16:46,093
Speaker 17: assisted benefit at the moment. They're not working, which is

1475
01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:50,772
Speaker 17: kind of in between a a work benefit and a

1476
01:16:51,253 --> 01:16:56,932
Speaker 17: health you know, a health sort of benefit. But yeah, yeah,

1477
01:16:56,973 --> 01:16:59,333
Speaker 17: I'm still battling, still battling away. I must get you

1478
01:16:59,412 --> 01:17:01,173
Speaker 17: that email address so if you come down, have a

1479
01:17:01,213 --> 01:17:02,852
Speaker 17: game of golf. I was meant to send you.

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01:17:03,372 --> 01:17:05,812
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean, golf can be good for mental health

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01:17:05,853 --> 01:17:07,612
Speaker 2: and can also be bad for mental health when you're

1482
01:17:07,612 --> 01:17:09,852
Speaker 2: me Phil, but yeah, yeah, no, if you come up here,

1483
01:17:10,013 --> 01:17:11,532
Speaker 2: you know the clubs are rearing.

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01:17:11,372 --> 01:17:15,133
Speaker 17: To go, brilliant, brilliant, same like same when you come

1485
01:17:15,173 --> 01:17:18,852
Speaker 17: back to Christis. Yeah, yeah, I like that about it

1486
01:17:19,053 --> 01:17:20,772
Speaker 17: can be bad for mental health, can be bad for

1487
01:17:20,893 --> 01:17:21,932
Speaker 17: mental help for me too.

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01:17:22,973 --> 01:17:26,333
Speaker 2: It's a tough sport. Sometimes it's a tough sport. It's tough,

1489
01:17:26,692 --> 01:17:26,933
Speaker 2: that is.

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01:17:27,452 --> 01:17:32,372
Speaker 17: It is just the patience of a saint. Yeah, I've

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01:17:32,412 --> 01:17:35,173
Speaker 17: been I've been on the medication in the past. I

1492
01:17:35,452 --> 01:17:39,372
Speaker 17: was on quite mild stuff boxetine. I think it wasn't

1493
01:17:39,412 --> 01:17:42,133
Speaker 17: all tripoline, and eventually I took myself off and so

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01:17:42,213 --> 01:17:45,372
Speaker 17: I'm not on them now. But I think the medication

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01:17:45,612 --> 01:17:47,692
Speaker 17: is good if you get to the stage where you

1496
01:17:47,812 --> 01:17:51,972
Speaker 17: know you you were thinking suicide or your self harming

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01:17:52,053 --> 01:17:55,133
Speaker 17: and that kind of thing, and when you get in

1498
01:17:55,253 --> 01:17:57,972
Speaker 17: that deep that's maybe when you do need the drugs.

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01:17:58,093 --> 01:18:00,492
Speaker 17: Like I think one fellow said, just to take the

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01:18:00,692 --> 01:18:03,093
Speaker 17: edge off and get them kind of level and out

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01:18:03,133 --> 01:18:06,893
Speaker 17: of that scenario. But because I've been there in that

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01:18:07,173 --> 01:18:11,412
Speaker 17: scenario over the elf harming and suicidal sort of thoughts

1503
01:18:11,452 --> 01:18:13,293
Speaker 17: as well, and the self harming was part of that.

1504
01:18:13,532 --> 01:18:15,772
Speaker 17: You know, you're sort of testing yourself. Can I really

1505
01:18:15,853 --> 01:18:18,133
Speaker 17: go through with it? You know, because you just that

1506
01:18:18,372 --> 01:18:20,572
Speaker 17: down and you're feeling that low and you just can't

1507
01:18:20,692 --> 01:18:23,612
Speaker 17: see them find the happiness. You know, you don't want

1508
01:18:23,652 --> 01:18:24,412
Speaker 17: to get out of bed.

1509
01:18:24,572 --> 01:18:26,772
Speaker 2: And Phil just told there mate, because I've got the

1510
01:18:26,772 --> 01:18:28,093
Speaker 2: news coming up, but I want to have a chat

1511
01:18:28,173 --> 01:18:30,293
Speaker 2: to you off here, so just told them, my friend,

1512
01:18:30,372 --> 01:18:32,852
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. All right. Coming up after the news,

1513
01:18:32,893 --> 01:18:34,732
Speaker 2: we are going to catch up with Rob Dunne. He's

1514
01:18:34,772 --> 01:18:37,293
Speaker 2: involved with November and if you've been listening, I've got

1515
01:18:37,293 --> 01:18:39,372
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of numbers for you as well on

1516
01:18:39,452 --> 01:18:41,412
Speaker 2: where to turn if you need help. That's all coming up.

1517
01:18:41,452 --> 01:18:42,212
Speaker 2: News is next.

1518
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:47,333
Speaker 1: Your new home are in Stateful and it's a teening talk.

1519
01:18:47,612 --> 01:18:51,852
Speaker 1: It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1520
01:18:51,812 --> 01:18:55,092
Speaker 2: Sebby very good afternoons. You welcome back to the program.

1521
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:57,532
Speaker 2: It is six past three, so we've been having a

1522
01:18:57,572 --> 01:19:00,093
Speaker 2: discussion about mental health and what worked for you when

1523
01:19:00,133 --> 01:19:03,133
Speaker 2: you face the mental health challenges. It is, of course

1524
01:19:03,372 --> 01:19:07,692
Speaker 2: November this month. It's an amazing cause and charity. It

1525
01:19:07,772 --> 01:19:10,372
Speaker 2: raises a lot lot of money for men's health, both

1526
01:19:10,452 --> 01:19:13,932
Speaker 2: mental and physical, and it's always a lot of fun

1527
01:19:13,973 --> 01:19:17,293
Speaker 2: for the people involved as well, raised as many many dollars.

1528
01:19:18,293 --> 01:19:20,492
Speaker 2: And so someone who takes through just while we're having

1529
01:19:20,532 --> 01:19:24,213
Speaker 2: that conversation, as Robert done, here's the country manager for

1530
01:19:24,452 --> 01:19:27,133
Speaker 2: November in New Zealand and he's on the line now. Robert,

1531
01:19:27,372 --> 01:19:28,213
Speaker 2: very good to chat with you.

1532
01:19:29,652 --> 01:19:32,053
Speaker 20: Yeah, thanks for having me on Tyler or responding and here,

1533
01:19:32,093 --> 01:19:34,372
Speaker 20: I hope your mustache is coming along. After a few

1534
01:19:34,412 --> 01:19:35,612
Speaker 20: days of Bovember so far.

1535
01:19:35,652 --> 01:19:37,732
Speaker 2: It's looking pretty good. I've got to say. I think Andrew,

1536
01:19:37,812 --> 01:19:39,732
Speaker 2: my producer, would agree. There's a bit of bed going

1537
01:19:39,893 --> 01:19:41,933
Speaker 2: along with it as well. But I'll shave off that

1538
01:19:42,013 --> 01:19:43,372
Speaker 2: reft of the the rest of the bed and play

1539
01:19:43,412 --> 01:19:46,412
Speaker 2: my partner mates. So it's a fantastic charity and it

1540
01:19:46,532 --> 01:19:50,972
Speaker 2: is worldwide. How did it start here in New Zealand, Robert, Yeah, you're.

1541
01:19:50,893 --> 01:19:54,612
Speaker 20: Right sort of. It's started unfortunately in for throw Australia,

1542
01:19:54,652 --> 01:19:57,173
Speaker 20: but New Zealand was the second country to adopt it.

1543
01:19:57,492 --> 01:20:01,652
Speaker 20: And basically, you know, if you look back twenty years ago,

1544
01:20:01,692 --> 01:20:03,532
Speaker 20: there was nothing formalized for men there was a lot

1545
01:20:03,572 --> 01:20:05,892
Speaker 20: of charities for females and for kids and for famine,

1546
01:20:05,893 --> 01:20:07,412
Speaker 20: and we did jump right for hard and we did

1547
01:20:07,412 --> 01:20:09,932
Speaker 20: all these sorts of things, but there was actually nothing

1548
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:12,053
Speaker 20: that was gendered, nothing that looked out for men. And

1549
01:20:12,772 --> 01:20:15,133
Speaker 20: the boys who started it, some high case Australian guys

1550
01:20:15,133 --> 01:20:18,372
Speaker 20: who are good friends, you know, looked around and saw that,

1551
01:20:18,652 --> 01:20:20,852
Speaker 20: you know, prostate cancer was as big a threat to

1552
01:20:20,933 --> 01:20:22,893
Speaker 20: a male as breast cancer is to a female. And

1553
01:20:23,293 --> 01:20:25,572
Speaker 20: with that information they went to the Prospect Cancer Foundation

1554
01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:28,213
Speaker 20: Australia and said, you know, we think not only is

1555
01:20:28,253 --> 01:20:31,013
Speaker 20: this a great male fashion accessory, but it could be

1556
01:20:31,732 --> 01:20:34,253
Speaker 20: a great charitable tool and a great conversation starter. And

1557
01:20:34,772 --> 01:20:36,812
Speaker 20: then their wisdom that actually said thanks, but no thanks.

1558
01:20:36,853 --> 01:20:38,972
Speaker 20: You guys are a bit weird and we don't want

1559
01:20:39,013 --> 01:20:39,812
Speaker 20: to we don't want to.

1560
01:20:39,812 --> 01:20:40,372
Speaker 10: Align with you.

1561
01:20:40,572 --> 01:20:43,732
Speaker 20: But the boys did it anyway and raised fifty thousand

1562
01:20:43,732 --> 01:20:45,772
Speaker 20: dollars that month, went back and donaid that money and

1563
01:20:46,572 --> 01:20:48,772
Speaker 20: they were maybe you aren't so weird, maybe you're onto something.

1564
01:20:48,812 --> 01:20:51,452
Speaker 20: And if we fast forward today, new Zellan jumped on

1565
01:20:51,532 --> 01:20:55,973
Speaker 20: board second with an official November charity and campaign, and

1566
01:20:56,253 --> 01:20:59,852
Speaker 20: now it exists, as you said, Tyler, all around the world,

1567
01:20:59,893 --> 01:21:02,812
Speaker 20: and it's the largest funder of men's health initiatives outside

1568
01:21:02,812 --> 01:21:04,173
Speaker 20: of government, which is pretty cool. Yeah.

1569
01:21:04,213 --> 01:21:06,812
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean the old old mustache can be pretty

1570
01:21:07,053 --> 01:21:09,772
Speaker 2: punishing for the other halves men's life for that month,

1571
01:21:09,853 --> 01:21:12,893
Speaker 2: but obviously the fun of it and that cheekiness of it.

1572
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:16,492
Speaker 2: The beauty with this of this campaign, Robert, is that

1573
01:21:16,692 --> 01:21:18,772
Speaker 2: it opens up those conversations right for fellas.

1574
01:21:19,812 --> 01:21:22,772
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think so, Tyler, Like, you've had some fantastic

1575
01:21:22,853 --> 01:21:25,732
Speaker 20: callers on this afternoon, and you know, the rarely is

1576
01:21:25,812 --> 01:21:27,412
Speaker 20: there is no silver bullet. But one thing that we've

1577
01:21:27,492 --> 01:21:31,372
Speaker 20: really realized works for men is that you know, fun

1578
01:21:31,452 --> 01:21:34,652
Speaker 20: as medicine. You know, like four men, Sometimes those early

1579
01:21:34,732 --> 01:21:37,013
Speaker 20: conversations they do need to be informal, they do need

1580
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:38,812
Speaker 20: to be hard case. They do need to be around

1581
01:21:39,452 --> 01:21:42,852
Speaker 20: mustache growth or or the lack of or whatever it

1582
01:21:42,933 --> 01:21:45,732
Speaker 20: may be, because that's how guys like to often start

1583
01:21:45,772 --> 01:21:48,133
Speaker 20: their interactions. But you know, now that we've matured a

1584
01:21:48,173 --> 01:21:51,973
Speaker 20: little bit over time, those conversations turned to mental health conversations,

1585
01:21:52,133 --> 01:21:54,572
Speaker 20: challenges that we have in life, and like so many

1586
01:21:54,612 --> 01:21:58,972
Speaker 20: of your callers have said, you know, reaching out, being vulnerable,

1587
01:21:59,013 --> 01:22:01,812
Speaker 20: asking for help, you know, sharing some of the challenges

1588
01:22:01,853 --> 01:22:05,013
Speaker 20: in life. Absolutely does work. And I really enjoyed one

1589
01:22:05,013 --> 01:22:07,293
Speaker 20: of your previous callers that had on a really strong

1590
01:22:07,372 --> 01:22:11,093
Speaker 20: point that we're actually getting a little bit better and

1591
01:22:11,213 --> 01:22:13,732
Speaker 20: asking for help and talking and acknowledging the issue. When

1592
01:22:13,732 --> 01:22:15,253
Speaker 20: I first started the most them, but we couldn't even

1593
01:22:15,333 --> 01:22:18,333
Speaker 20: have a conversation about mental health. But we are getting better.

1594
01:22:18,412 --> 01:22:21,013
Speaker 20: So I always like to highlight that because we one

1595
01:22:21,093 --> 01:22:23,053
Speaker 20: hundred percent are going in the right direction, there's just

1596
01:22:23,093 --> 01:22:25,093
Speaker 20: a little bit more work to do. One thing that

1597
01:22:25,372 --> 01:22:27,532
Speaker 20: men in particular can do a little bit better is listen.

1598
01:22:28,293 --> 01:22:30,213
Speaker 20: We love to jump in there with our sort of

1599
01:22:30,732 --> 01:22:33,772
Speaker 20: number eight wire attitude and try and problem solve straight away.

1600
01:22:34,612 --> 01:22:37,293
Speaker 20: If someone is brave enough to share a challenge with you,

1601
01:22:37,412 --> 01:22:40,692
Speaker 20: it's important to validate that. Realize that for them at

1602
01:22:40,732 --> 01:22:43,333
Speaker 20: that point in time, it's something really significant, and it's

1603
01:22:43,372 --> 01:22:45,973
Speaker 20: really hard for them to discuss that with you.

1604
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:47,452
Speaker 2: So validate it.

1605
01:22:47,612 --> 01:22:49,933
Speaker 20: You know, certainly, don't say I mate, that's nothing, and

1606
01:22:50,253 --> 01:22:51,652
Speaker 20: you know, try and jump in there and say I

1607
01:22:51,732 --> 01:22:54,892
Speaker 20: did this. Like actually just giving someone space to speak

1608
01:22:55,452 --> 01:22:59,132
Speaker 20: for two or three minutes in itself is a fantastic

1609
01:22:59,213 --> 01:23:01,612
Speaker 20: health tool, and it's one that men aren't that good

1610
01:23:01,652 --> 01:23:04,492
Speaker 20: at And so that whole listening thing, creating a bit

1611
01:23:04,532 --> 01:23:07,372
Speaker 20: of space and time for someone to share is actually

1612
01:23:07,612 --> 01:23:09,492
Speaker 20: a skill one that we can really improve that.

1613
01:23:10,492 --> 01:23:13,253
Speaker 2: There's there's some great resources on the website if anyone

1614
01:23:13,333 --> 01:23:15,213
Speaker 2: wants to go check it out. I urged them to

1615
01:23:15,293 --> 01:23:17,532
Speaker 2: do that at November dot com. And obviously you can

1616
01:23:17,692 --> 01:23:20,652
Speaker 2: donate to the various people taking part. But the five

1617
01:23:20,772 --> 01:23:22,692
Speaker 2: things men should know and do when it comes to

1618
01:23:22,772 --> 01:23:24,772
Speaker 2: their health, Robert I love. It's nice and simple and

1619
01:23:24,812 --> 01:23:26,932
Speaker 2: you can find it on the website. But a couple

1620
01:23:27,013 --> 01:23:29,253
Speaker 2: of things there. Spend time with people who make you

1621
01:23:29,333 --> 01:23:33,133
Speaker 2: feel good, talk more that, know the numbers, which is

1622
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:36,372
Speaker 2: a great one, know thy nuts simple, that's a fantastic one.

1623
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:40,253
Speaker 2: That's a big one. And move more. Yeah yeah, and

1624
01:23:40,372 --> 01:23:42,333
Speaker 2: that exercise as well. But you know, going back to

1625
01:23:42,412 --> 01:23:44,612
Speaker 2: those first two, spend time with people who make you

1626
01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:47,852
Speaker 2: feel good and talk more. Clearly, in New Zealand, that

1627
01:23:47,933 --> 01:23:51,173
Speaker 2: has been something that US Fellers have have struggled with

1628
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:53,492
Speaker 2: for for a long time. Do you think it is

1629
01:23:54,053 --> 01:23:55,213
Speaker 2: it is improving on the whole.

1630
01:23:57,372 --> 01:23:59,772
Speaker 20: No, to be honest, like, I think it's something that

1631
01:23:59,853 --> 01:24:01,612
Speaker 20: we used to be probably a little bit better better

1632
01:24:01,652 --> 01:24:03,812
Speaker 20: at and for a number of reasons, we're not as

1633
01:24:03,853 --> 01:24:05,732
Speaker 20: good as we used to be. And it's it's amazing.

1634
01:24:05,893 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 20: Like I always say when it comes to men sow,

1635
01:24:09,173 --> 01:24:11,213
Speaker 20: you know, it's our job. The services and some of

1636
01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:13,772
Speaker 20: the things you've spoken about today are really important. But

1637
01:24:13,812 --> 01:24:16,852
Speaker 20: it's our job in November and really as krewis to

1638
01:24:16,893 --> 01:24:19,053
Speaker 20: take pressure off the services to give me in good

1639
01:24:19,093 --> 01:24:22,013
Speaker 20: information to help themselves and others. And like spending time

1640
01:24:22,053 --> 01:24:23,612
Speaker 20: with people who make you feel good and top up

1641
01:24:23,652 --> 01:24:26,133
Speaker 20: your bucket is really really important. And quite often I

1642
01:24:26,253 --> 01:24:29,053
Speaker 20: go into different you know, I suppose by pressure and

1643
01:24:29,093 --> 01:24:33,572
Speaker 20: busy environments and talk to people about that. And time

1644
01:24:33,732 --> 01:24:35,892
Speaker 20: is the most valuable commodity. And we talk a lot

1645
01:24:35,933 --> 01:24:37,732
Speaker 20: these days about being too busy to do things, but

1646
01:24:37,812 --> 01:24:40,333
Speaker 20: it's I challenge people on that. And if you're not

1647
01:24:40,492 --> 01:24:43,772
Speaker 20: in any given week or any given months doing something

1648
01:24:43,853 --> 01:24:46,052
Speaker 20: that tops up your bucket and spending time with people

1649
01:24:46,093 --> 01:24:47,852
Speaker 20: that make you feel good, then you're getting it wrong,

1650
01:24:48,093 --> 01:24:51,492
Speaker 20: you know. And if you're spending time people who take

1651
01:24:51,572 --> 01:24:53,293
Speaker 20: out of your bucket or you don't feel good about

1652
01:24:53,293 --> 01:24:55,452
Speaker 20: yourself and that person, you know, we know when we're

1653
01:24:55,492 --> 01:24:58,452
Speaker 20: at our best, and we should try really hard to

1654
01:24:58,532 --> 01:25:00,612
Speaker 20: create that environment in that situation as much as we

1655
01:25:00,732 --> 01:25:03,333
Speaker 20: possibly can. And if we go you know, months or

1656
01:25:03,372 --> 01:25:05,372
Speaker 20: even longer without doing that, then of course we're going

1657
01:25:05,412 --> 01:25:07,052
Speaker 20: to be in a bad place, you know. And connection

1658
01:25:07,173 --> 01:25:10,012
Speaker 20: as well, Like you say, mate, it's just so important.

1659
01:25:10,053 --> 01:25:11,973
Speaker 20: And I really worry in that space that you know,

1660
01:25:12,053 --> 01:25:13,452
Speaker 20: we're going to get twenty years down the line and

1661
01:25:13,492 --> 01:25:15,053
Speaker 20: we're going to have to go to university to learn

1662
01:25:15,133 --> 01:25:18,492
Speaker 20: how to interact with people. That's a that hyperbolic, but

1663
01:25:19,933 --> 01:25:23,293
Speaker 20: you know, for some of our younger generation, you know,

1664
01:25:23,372 --> 01:25:25,692
Speaker 20: they are getting brought up in an environment where you

1665
01:25:25,853 --> 01:25:28,173
Speaker 20: don't take to you you know, you don't have to

1666
01:25:28,213 --> 01:25:29,933
Speaker 20: interact with people too much if you don't want to.

1667
01:25:29,973 --> 01:25:31,333
Speaker 20: And I think that's a real challenge for us.

1668
01:25:31,452 --> 01:25:34,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and we can start to see that coming

1669
01:25:34,133 --> 01:25:35,852
Speaker 2: to the fore now. But as you said, Robert, it

1670
01:25:35,933 --> 01:25:39,412
Speaker 2: seems like it's a continuous, you know, a work in progress,

1671
01:25:39,452 --> 01:25:42,532
Speaker 2: and there's always you know, things that we can do

1672
01:25:42,933 --> 01:25:45,692
Speaker 2: in New Zealand then as fellas to keep the conversation

1673
01:25:45,853 --> 01:25:48,133
Speaker 2: open and alive and keep pushing forward, a.

1674
01:25:49,293 --> 01:25:51,612
Speaker 20: Oh totally mate, And as I sort of said previously,

1675
01:25:51,772 --> 01:25:54,133
Speaker 20: like we are getting a lot of things right you know,

1676
01:25:54,213 --> 01:25:56,133
Speaker 20: there are places that I'm asked to come into now

1677
01:25:56,772 --> 01:25:59,093
Speaker 20: that I never used to get invited into before, Like

1678
01:25:59,253 --> 01:26:01,213
Speaker 20: there are so many workplaces now. They're trying to be

1679
01:26:01,293 --> 01:26:05,013
Speaker 20: proactive in this space. And genuinely, when I go out

1680
01:26:05,053 --> 01:26:07,893
Speaker 20: and about, people want to help, like they absolutely do.

1681
01:26:08,013 --> 01:26:09,892
Speaker 20: Like if you are someone you know, if you'll make

1682
01:26:09,973 --> 01:26:12,532
Speaker 20: the struggling a level, would you help them? Everyone puts

1683
01:26:12,572 --> 01:26:14,612
Speaker 20: their hand up, just a little different sometimes is like

1684
01:26:14,692 --> 01:26:16,612
Speaker 20: have you told them that? Like do they know that

1685
01:26:16,812 --> 01:26:18,973
Speaker 20: you know? And that's probably the bit we've got to

1686
01:26:19,053 --> 01:26:21,812
Speaker 20: work on a little bit. But we are absolutely going

1687
01:26:21,812 --> 01:26:25,133
Speaker 20: in the right direction. There's some fantastic work that's going

1688
01:26:25,213 --> 01:26:27,253
Speaker 20: on that perhaps doesn't get held up in lights. It's

1689
01:26:27,253 --> 01:26:28,932
Speaker 20: all the bad stuff that gets held up in lights.

1690
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:31,293
Speaker 20: But the queuing men are not too bad. We we

1691
01:26:31,452 --> 01:26:33,173
Speaker 20: just need a bit more encouragement and we just need

1692
01:26:33,213 --> 01:26:35,372
Speaker 20: to give them really really good information so they can

1693
01:26:35,412 --> 01:26:36,253
Speaker 20: help themselves and others.

1694
01:26:36,452 --> 01:26:38,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant too. I have a chat with you, Robert

1695
01:26:38,692 --> 01:26:42,612
Speaker 2: and promote this great a cause and campaign. How can

1696
01:26:42,692 --> 01:26:45,692
Speaker 2: people support November if they're listening right.

1697
01:26:45,612 --> 01:26:47,892
Speaker 4: Now, you totally mate.

1698
01:26:47,973 --> 01:26:51,773
Speaker 20: Just if you're growing or moving or hosting or participating

1699
01:26:51,772 --> 01:26:53,572
Speaker 20: in November. Thank you so much. You just go to

1700
01:26:53,652 --> 01:26:56,333
Speaker 20: the website, sign up, if you know someone who's doing it,

1701
01:26:56,692 --> 01:26:59,133
Speaker 20: donate to the pause like it doesn't matter. It's five bucks,

1702
01:26:59,213 --> 01:27:01,812
Speaker 20: ten bucks, twenty bucks, it all matters. That's the success

1703
01:27:01,853 --> 01:27:04,253
Speaker 20: of Novembers. It's just a heaps of people doing a

1704
01:27:04,293 --> 01:27:06,133
Speaker 20: little bit, which is fantastic. And it's the same in

1705
01:27:06,213 --> 01:27:07,852
Speaker 20: mental health. Just think of the one or two people

1706
01:27:08,333 --> 01:27:09,732
Speaker 20: who mean a lot to you and just make sure

1707
01:27:09,772 --> 01:27:11,892
Speaker 20: that they understand you've got their back and vice versa.

1708
01:27:11,973 --> 01:27:15,213
Speaker 20: And if we do that on math, then we actually

1709
01:27:15,253 --> 01:27:17,812
Speaker 20: do move the dial, which is really cool. And for

1710
01:27:17,812 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 20: all the ladies who are listening, you know, no matter

1711
01:27:20,013 --> 01:27:21,852
Speaker 20: what it looks like, just telling me looks handsome this month,

1712
01:27:21,893 --> 01:27:22,093
Speaker 20: you know.

1713
01:27:23,293 --> 01:27:25,412
Speaker 2: Nicely said Robert. And I've got to give a shout

1714
01:27:25,412 --> 01:27:29,132
Speaker 2: out to our mates at the Alternative Commentary Collector. Absolutely,

1715
01:27:29,612 --> 01:27:32,293
Speaker 2: I've got no sleep tool hole in the one campaign

1716
01:27:32,372 --> 01:27:34,772
Speaker 2: going on at the moment, So that could take a

1717
01:27:34,853 --> 01:27:35,492
Speaker 2: long time, Robit.

1718
01:27:35,572 --> 01:27:40,093
Speaker 20: They could take bad golfers for a very long time.

1719
01:27:40,173 --> 01:27:42,013
Speaker 2: They need all the help they can get. Absolutely, to

1720
01:27:42,093 --> 01:27:44,772
Speaker 2: go check that out November dot com and give generously.

1721
01:27:44,853 --> 01:27:46,772
Speaker 2: It's a great cause. Robert always good to have a

1722
01:27:46,893 --> 01:27:48,812
Speaker 2: chat with you. Go well and we'll catch up again soon.

1723
01:27:49,933 --> 01:27:51,612
Speaker 20: Thank you so much, Tyler. Catch up mate. Yeah.

1724
01:27:51,612 --> 01:27:54,612
Speaker 2: See that is Robert Dunn, country manager for November Great

1725
01:27:54,692 --> 01:27:58,213
Speaker 2: Cause promoting men's health mentally and physically, and of course

1726
01:27:58,732 --> 01:28:01,652
Speaker 2: November we want to promote mental health across the board,

1727
01:28:01,973 --> 01:28:04,732
Speaker 2: females included. So it's been a great discussion and I

1728
01:28:04,853 --> 01:28:08,213
Speaker 2: mentioned before, Look, have you been listening and you're feeling

1729
01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:11,492
Speaker 2: some of those mental health problems come to the four

1730
01:28:11,772 --> 01:28:14,372
Speaker 2: There is absolutely support out there for you, so we're

1731
01:28:14,412 --> 01:28:17,012
Speaker 2: to turn for help. The best first point of contact

1732
01:28:17,093 --> 01:28:19,053
Speaker 2: is to visit your GP. They can help assess what

1733
01:28:19,173 --> 01:28:22,372
Speaker 2: further support might be needed. There is some helplines available,

1734
01:28:22,412 --> 01:28:24,852
Speaker 2: of course, if you or someone you care about our

1735
01:28:24,893 --> 01:28:28,372
Speaker 2: immediate physical danger to themselves or others. Obviously one one

1736
01:28:28,412 --> 01:28:30,253
Speaker 2: one is the call, but if you need to talk

1737
01:28:31,053 --> 01:28:33,732
Speaker 2: you can free call or text one seven three seven.

1738
01:28:33,893 --> 01:28:37,772
Speaker 2: Lifeline is eight hundred and five four three three five four,

1739
01:28:38,532 --> 01:28:41,932
Speaker 2: The Crisis Helpline is five eight eight to eight eight

1740
01:28:42,133 --> 01:28:45,173
Speaker 2: six five and Use line is eight one hundred and

1741
01:28:45,173 --> 01:28:48,852
Speaker 2: three seven six six double three. But if you are

1742
01:28:48,933 --> 01:28:51,492
Speaker 2: going through some challenges at the moment, there's absolutely help

1743
01:28:51,572 --> 01:28:55,093
Speaker 2: out there for you and opening up and talking about

1744
01:28:55,133 --> 01:28:58,333
Speaker 2: it and reaching out for that is incredibly valuable. It

1745
01:28:58,372 --> 01:29:01,852
Speaker 2: saves lives in fact, right coming up after we play

1746
01:29:01,933 --> 01:29:04,013
Speaker 2: some messages. It's been a really good discussion, by the way,

1747
01:29:04,053 --> 01:29:05,932
Speaker 2: and thank you very much to everyone who text and phoned.

1748
01:29:06,612 --> 01:29:08,852
Speaker 2: But I was loath to bring up this topic. But

1749
01:29:08,893 --> 01:29:10,692
Speaker 2: there's a couple of stories that have come to the fore,

1750
01:29:10,812 --> 01:29:12,173
Speaker 2: so we are going to get into it over the

1751
01:29:12,253 --> 01:29:15,293
Speaker 2: next sort of forty minutes, and as fireworks comes up

1752
01:29:15,492 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 2: every year at the same time, but I'll read out

1753
01:29:18,253 --> 01:29:20,213
Speaker 2: a couple of stories for you that are in the

1754
01:29:20,253 --> 01:29:22,452
Speaker 2: papers today and then we can have a chat about

1755
01:29:22,492 --> 01:29:25,093
Speaker 2: the sale of fireworks during this time and love to

1756
01:29:25,173 --> 01:29:27,053
Speaker 2: hear your thoughts. O. Eight one hundred and eighty ten

1757
01:29:27,173 --> 01:29:30,692
Speaker 2: eighty It is seventeen pass three. Back very shortly his talk,

1758
01:29:30,772 --> 01:29:33,852
Speaker 2: sa'd be afternoon to you. It's twenty pass three. So

1759
01:29:34,013 --> 01:29:36,412
Speaker 2: let's get into this one. It does pop up every year.

1760
01:29:36,452 --> 01:29:38,372
Speaker 2: But a couple of stories have been published today and

1761
01:29:38,412 --> 01:29:41,492
Speaker 2: I'll go through them with you right now, and it

1762
01:29:41,612 --> 01:29:44,572
Speaker 2: is about fireworks. So the first story is about a

1763
01:29:44,612 --> 01:29:47,173
Speaker 2: near miss with police and fire service emergency services and

1764
01:29:47,213 --> 01:29:51,333
Speaker 2: news in Dunedin in the student district responded to a

1765
01:29:51,612 --> 01:29:55,612
Speaker 2: significant fireworks disruption, roughly fifty people. We're shooting fireworks at

1766
01:29:55,652 --> 01:29:58,572
Speaker 2: each other on a street and when police arrived, fireworks

1767
01:29:58,612 --> 01:30:02,333
Speaker 2: were directed at the offices and even a fire truck,

1768
01:30:02,412 --> 01:30:05,692
Speaker 2: resulting in what they say was a near miss. I

1769
01:30:05,732 --> 01:30:08,652
Speaker 2: mean that is a fairly student behavior, but pretty for

1770
01:30:08,652 --> 01:30:12,932
Speaker 2: long when you turnworks fireworks on fire trucks and police officers.

1771
01:30:12,973 --> 01:30:15,173
Speaker 2: And the second one is a family who is calling

1772
01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:19,892
Speaker 2: for change after their dog dies on the fireworks sales day.

1773
01:30:20,053 --> 01:30:22,972
Speaker 2: So fireworks went on sale on the second of November

1774
01:30:23,013 --> 01:30:25,133
Speaker 2: two days ago, and I've got to say, so far

1775
01:30:25,293 --> 01:30:27,932
Speaker 2: up in Auckland it feels tamer than in previous years,

1776
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:30,092
Speaker 2: perhaps because I've moved to a different part of Auckland.

1777
01:30:30,293 --> 01:30:32,852
Speaker 2: But in this particular story, a family lost their bloved

1778
01:30:32,893 --> 01:30:35,333
Speaker 2: dog on the very first day those fireworks went on sale.

1779
01:30:35,372 --> 01:30:38,613
Speaker 2: The dog was spooked by fireworks, fled and was subsequently

1780
01:30:39,213 --> 01:30:41,293
Speaker 2: sadly run over. It as a tragic story, prompting the

1781
01:30:41,333 --> 01:30:43,692
Speaker 2: family to call for changes in how fireworks are sold

1782
01:30:44,253 --> 01:30:46,253
Speaker 2: and use. So that's what I want to have a

1783
01:30:46,293 --> 01:30:48,772
Speaker 2: chat about, because it keeps popping up year after year

1784
01:30:49,013 --> 01:30:51,652
Speaker 2: after year. And I've got to say last year I

1785
01:30:51,772 --> 01:30:54,692
Speaker 2: was pretty anty the old fireworks, mainly because I mean,

1786
01:30:54,732 --> 01:30:56,892
Speaker 2: it's very selfish of me, but they just did my head.

1787
01:30:56,933 --> 01:30:58,892
Speaker 2: And where I was living at the time, it seemed

1788
01:30:58,933 --> 01:31:01,452
Speaker 2: like they were going fireworks crazy every night, and where

1789
01:31:01,452 --> 01:31:03,333
Speaker 2: I was living in close proximity to a lot of

1790
01:31:03,372 --> 01:31:08,173
Speaker 2: other people. Now I've softened somewhat clearly. When it comes

1791
01:31:08,213 --> 01:31:11,012
Speaker 2: to animals, there is a lot of animals that get spooked,

1792
01:31:11,133 --> 01:31:14,452
Speaker 2: and there is fire danger down in Canterbury. There is

1793
01:31:14,492 --> 01:31:17,492
Speaker 2: a scrub fire today, not that that has been caused

1794
01:31:17,492 --> 01:31:21,053
Speaker 2: by a firework necessarily, but last year, as we know,

1795
01:31:22,053 --> 01:31:25,173
Speaker 2: the Fire Service responded to one hundred and sixty six

1796
01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:29,053
Speaker 2: callouts that were fireworks related. So a couple of things here.

1797
01:31:29,053 --> 01:31:31,253
Speaker 2: When it comes to the sale of fireworks, I get

1798
01:31:31,412 --> 01:31:34,133
Speaker 2: why we have it in November and we open up

1799
01:31:34,452 --> 01:31:37,692
Speaker 2: the sales at this particular time is because there's a

1800
01:31:37,812 --> 01:31:42,293
Speaker 2: history involved with this particular event, right guy Fawk's the

1801
01:31:42,372 --> 01:31:45,013
Speaker 2: sail of fireworks. It happens in winter on the other

1802
01:31:45,093 --> 01:31:48,732
Speaker 2: side of the world where this particular event or history,

1803
01:31:49,213 --> 01:31:52,973
Speaker 2: historic events originated. But we are lumped with having this

1804
01:31:53,293 --> 01:31:56,612
Speaker 2: in the middle or close to summer. When it is

1805
01:31:56,853 --> 01:32:00,732
Speaker 2: bone dry around the country. So if we are going

1806
01:32:00,812 --> 01:32:03,772
Speaker 2: to carry on with selling fireworks, willing nelly on the

1807
01:32:03,853 --> 01:32:06,452
Speaker 2: side of roads and letting people have a good time,

1808
01:32:06,732 --> 01:32:08,612
Speaker 2: hopefully safely, and there's always going to be a few

1809
01:32:08,652 --> 01:32:11,652
Speaker 2: dickeads out there. I mean, do we seriously perhaps need

1810
01:32:11,772 --> 01:32:15,293
Speaker 2: to look at changing when we open up the sale

1811
01:32:15,333 --> 01:32:18,053
Speaker 2: for fireworks. Because I'm not anti fireworks anymore. I used

1812
01:32:18,053 --> 01:32:20,253
Speaker 2: to be a little bit anti fireworks, but I'm no longer.

1813
01:32:20,612 --> 01:32:23,053
Speaker 2: But I think the time that we actually open it

1814
01:32:23,133 --> 01:32:26,772
Speaker 2: up for sale and let people go gung ho setting

1815
01:32:26,853 --> 01:32:30,253
Speaker 2: them off is a bit is a bit stupid. It

1816
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:32,652
Speaker 2: just seems like the wrong time of year. And again

1817
01:32:32,732 --> 01:32:36,612
Speaker 2: I understand the historical context, but when you've got public

1818
01:32:36,692 --> 01:32:41,333
Speaker 2: sales of explosives, perhaps nearing summer when it's a bit

1819
01:32:41,412 --> 01:32:43,372
Speaker 2: dry is not the right time to open that up.

1820
01:32:43,572 --> 01:32:45,013
Speaker 2: But what do you say? O eight one hundred and

1821
01:32:45,013 --> 01:32:47,372
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty And if you live really this can

1822
01:32:47,452 --> 01:32:49,812
Speaker 2: be a massive issue for people that have horses and

1823
01:32:50,013 --> 01:32:52,892
Speaker 2: stock that don't quite understand it. There's the bird people

1824
01:32:52,973 --> 01:32:57,772
Speaker 2: that say it's horrible when birds are trying to nest

1825
01:32:58,053 --> 01:33:00,852
Speaker 2: and that it's at the edge of spring and it's

1826
01:33:00,973 --> 01:33:03,892
Speaker 2: it's terrible for the bird population. So the nature lovers

1827
01:33:03,933 --> 01:33:05,333
Speaker 2: out there, I think have got a fair point. But

1828
01:33:05,452 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 2: what do you say, Is this just a bit of

1829
01:33:07,293 --> 01:33:11,652
Speaker 2: harmless fun? Be just the anti fun police coming into

1830
01:33:11,772 --> 01:33:13,852
Speaker 2: town to say no more fireworks because you can't be

1831
01:33:13,893 --> 01:33:18,012
Speaker 2: trusted anymore as as Kiwi's Or do we just allow

1832
01:33:18,133 --> 01:33:21,013
Speaker 2: a few decades to do what they do each year

1833
01:33:21,893 --> 01:33:24,412
Speaker 2: while the rest of us do the safe and responsible thing.

1834
01:33:24,492 --> 01:33:26,492
Speaker 2: Really keen to hear from you on eight hundred eighty

1835
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:29,452
Speaker 2: ten eighty if you bought fireworks already, I'm actually keen

1836
01:33:29,452 --> 01:33:31,372
Speaker 2: to hear what you've got. What is actually in these

1837
01:33:31,452 --> 01:33:33,492
Speaker 2: kits now that you're buying the side of the of

1838
01:33:33,572 --> 01:33:35,893
Speaker 2: the road used to be the big berthas and the

1839
01:33:36,013 --> 01:33:39,293
Speaker 2: Roman candles, if they still exist. Love to hear from you. Oh,

1840
01:33:39,372 --> 01:33:41,852
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Is that number nine two

1841
01:33:41,933 --> 01:33:44,093
Speaker 2: nine two is the text number? It's twenty four past

1842
01:33:44,133 --> 01:33:45,052
Speaker 2: three back in the mow.

1843
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:52,652
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

1844
01:33:52,732 --> 01:33:54,893
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on youth talk, saidb.

1845
01:33:54,973 --> 01:33:56,973
Speaker 2: Afternoon to you. It is twenty six past three, so

1846
01:33:57,053 --> 01:33:59,972
Speaker 2: we are talking about fireworks. Story today about a family

1847
01:34:00,093 --> 01:34:03,492
Speaker 2: calling for changes after their dog sadly died after being

1848
01:34:03,532 --> 01:34:06,212
Speaker 2: spooked by fireworks and running onto a road and tragically

1849
01:34:06,293 --> 01:34:08,293
Speaker 2: being run over. Then there was a story out today

1850
01:34:08,973 --> 01:34:11,532
Speaker 2: that a whole bunch of scafees down in New Zealand

1851
01:34:12,133 --> 01:34:16,172
Speaker 2: we're having a fireworks celebration, shooting Roman candles at themselves,

1852
01:34:16,253 --> 01:34:18,812
Speaker 2: police and fire turned up, and then they turn the

1853
01:34:18,853 --> 01:34:22,692
Speaker 2: fireworks on the police and the firefighters. So can you

1854
01:34:22,732 --> 01:34:24,333
Speaker 2: hear your views? Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten

1855
01:34:24,372 --> 01:34:26,293
Speaker 2: eighty plenty of texts coming through, This one from Bob

1856
01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:29,452
Speaker 2: gide Tyler. How come we never have this discussion about

1857
01:34:29,492 --> 01:34:34,293
Speaker 2: fireworks during Chinese New Year or Dwali? Fair question, Bob,

1858
01:34:34,333 --> 01:34:38,333
Speaker 2: But I think that's because you cannot buy public fireworks

1859
01:34:38,412 --> 01:34:41,253
Speaker 2: during Chinese New Year or Dwali. The only time you

1860
01:34:41,293 --> 01:34:44,333
Speaker 2: can actually buy fireworks as an ordinary member of the

1861
01:34:44,333 --> 01:34:49,732
Speaker 2: public is over November second to November the fifth of

1862
01:34:49,812 --> 01:34:52,293
Speaker 2: those three days are the only time we allow that

1863
01:34:52,412 --> 01:34:55,173
Speaker 2: public sale of fireworks. But it's a fair point, and

1864
01:34:55,293 --> 01:34:58,253
Speaker 2: this one says, I think a change to matadiki wouldn't

1865
01:34:58,253 --> 01:35:01,333
Speaker 2: be a sensible solution regarding fire risk and other spring

1866
01:35:01,452 --> 01:35:03,532
Speaker 2: related issues. Pete how are you.

1867
01:35:04,853 --> 01:35:08,173
Speaker 6: Hey, you there, gentlemen. I believe there's something's going to

1868
01:35:08,173 --> 01:35:10,652
Speaker 6: be done. Like you say that poor person lost their pick,

1869
01:35:10,652 --> 01:35:13,452
Speaker 6: because we all know that dogs and what they're cats

1870
01:35:13,532 --> 01:35:16,253
Speaker 6: and horses. You know, there's poor people that the horse

1871
01:35:16,412 --> 01:35:18,732
Speaker 6: bolts or whatever and they break their leg. They've got

1872
01:35:18,812 --> 01:35:21,213
Speaker 6: to put it down. I'm not a part of pooper,

1873
01:35:21,452 --> 01:35:23,812
Speaker 6: you know. I'm like against banning things. I still reckon

1874
01:35:23,853 --> 01:35:25,333
Speaker 6: we have a good thing now you only buy the

1875
01:35:25,412 --> 01:35:29,133
Speaker 6: fire weeks four days and what the government should do

1876
01:35:29,213 --> 01:35:31,772
Speaker 6: over again now like in Australia, you can't. The summers

1877
01:35:31,772 --> 01:35:34,093
Speaker 6: are getting dryer and New Zealand now too. That's what

1878
01:35:34,133 --> 01:35:37,173
Speaker 6: we're well aware of. I think it's about they reckon

1879
01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:39,652
Speaker 6: that the government fight lose the votes because they're doing it.

1880
01:35:39,732 --> 01:35:42,133
Speaker 6: They implement it sort of. They don't have to ban it.

1881
01:35:42,333 --> 01:35:44,812
Speaker 6: So what they gut decide to do, whether it's a week,

1882
01:35:44,893 --> 01:35:47,412
Speaker 6: two weeks or three weeks, that's the period you have

1883
01:35:47,612 --> 01:35:49,612
Speaker 6: guy fox Snyders and you've got two weeks or week

1884
01:35:49,612 --> 01:35:52,053
Speaker 6: whatever whatever time frame the government decides to bring in.

1885
01:35:52,692 --> 01:35:55,772
Speaker 6: So you bought your fire crackers, go for gold and

1886
01:35:55,812 --> 01:35:58,412
Speaker 6: anybody's got their pits and horses. They know this is

1887
01:35:58,452 --> 01:36:00,173
Speaker 6: going to happen. They got a week or two weeks.

1888
01:36:00,213 --> 01:36:02,732
Speaker 6: We have to protict the our animals or whatever for

1889
01:36:02,893 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 6: that period of time. Then after that it stops. And

1890
01:36:06,492 --> 01:36:08,812
Speaker 6: as they do it, and they can be prosecuted if

1891
01:36:08,853 --> 01:36:12,053
Speaker 6: you can find out and they let up the firecrackers

1892
01:36:12,093 --> 01:36:14,732
Speaker 6: and of course the fire on my property or burns

1893
01:36:14,812 --> 01:36:17,053
Speaker 6: my house, then send the bill to them. We'll keep

1894
01:36:17,093 --> 01:36:19,253
Speaker 6: their insurance bos down as well because we hit it

1895
01:36:19,372 --> 01:36:19,692
Speaker 6: in place.

1896
01:36:20,732 --> 01:36:22,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I agree with a lot of what

1897
01:36:22,893 --> 01:36:25,173
Speaker 2: you're saying, Pete. I mean I do. I do think

1898
01:36:25,293 --> 01:36:28,933
Speaker 2: it's it's idiotic that we sell them this close to

1899
01:36:29,293 --> 01:36:32,333
Speaker 2: summer when it's bone dry around the country. But I understand,

1900
01:36:32,412 --> 01:36:35,852
Speaker 2: you know, it's the historical context. Remember remember the fifth

1901
01:36:35,893 --> 01:36:38,812
Speaker 2: of November and the arrest of Guy Fawkes after the

1902
01:36:38,893 --> 01:36:42,372
Speaker 2: gumpowder plot. But are we rarely that attached to that

1903
01:36:42,572 --> 01:36:45,933
Speaker 2: particular historic event. I mean, can we not come up

1904
01:36:45,973 --> 01:36:48,173
Speaker 2: with our own thing, as a lot of people are saying, matadiki,

1905
01:36:48,253 --> 01:36:51,572
Speaker 2: that's in the middle of winter. Reduces those callouts for

1906
01:36:51,612 --> 01:36:54,692
Speaker 2: the firefighters. Everybody can buy their fire weeks for two

1907
01:36:54,772 --> 01:36:57,212
Speaker 2: days and go for gold, and I think that lessens

1908
01:36:57,293 --> 01:36:59,732
Speaker 2: the risk of because you're quite right. That's the problem

1909
01:36:59,893 --> 01:37:02,652
Speaker 2: is the sail is for two days, but these things

1910
01:37:02,772 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 2: go off for the next couple of months.

1911
01:37:04,412 --> 01:37:07,253
Speaker 6: Right, Oh, it's not a couple of months. It's all

1912
01:37:07,293 --> 01:37:08,133
Speaker 6: for all year round.

1913
01:37:08,173 --> 01:37:08,652
Speaker 20: There do it.

1914
01:37:09,053 --> 01:37:10,492
Speaker 6: Most of those people who do it, they are in

1915
01:37:11,053 --> 01:37:12,532
Speaker 6: how I look at You might think I'm wrong here

1916
01:37:12,532 --> 01:37:15,852
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. But you know, be considerate for your neighbors.

1917
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:19,053
Speaker 6: You let your flo crackers off it for mid night

1918
01:37:19,173 --> 01:37:21,133
Speaker 6: or whatever, or three o'clock in the morning. You every

1919
01:37:21,253 --> 01:37:23,653
Speaker 6: mind neighbor to you too. I call them in considerates.

1920
01:37:23,652 --> 01:37:26,892
Speaker 6: But you're freaking your animals out. Have consideration. I think

1921
01:37:27,213 --> 01:37:29,652
Speaker 6: you find most of these people if you are thinking,

1922
01:37:29,732 --> 01:37:32,092
Speaker 6: if you're a caring person and think about other people's

1923
01:37:32,133 --> 01:37:34,452
Speaker 6: animals and stuff, you don't do that sort of thing

1924
01:37:34,652 --> 01:37:37,573
Speaker 6: so parasling so that they shouldn't actually have the fireworks

1925
01:37:37,612 --> 01:37:39,772
Speaker 6: because they are in considerate. That's my way of looking

1926
01:37:39,812 --> 01:37:41,612
Speaker 6: at it. And I reckon it's going to get tough

1927
01:37:41,652 --> 01:37:43,412
Speaker 6: on it or ban them totally. They got the choice

1928
01:37:43,612 --> 01:37:46,372
Speaker 6: two or three weeks go for gold. Then the pits.

1929
01:37:46,372 --> 01:37:48,253
Speaker 6: I said, you were pretty much olf. He the pit owners, No,

1930
01:37:48,372 --> 01:37:49,732
Speaker 6: I can't score. Got to be over and done with,

1931
01:37:49,812 --> 01:37:51,852
Speaker 6: he goes look after our pits and then our horses

1932
01:37:51,933 --> 01:37:54,452
Speaker 6: or whatever. They make sure we look up for that

1933
01:37:54,532 --> 01:37:56,732
Speaker 6: period of time. Then it's all over after that period

1934
01:37:56,732 --> 01:38:00,013
Speaker 6: of time. It's also good for the fiber go too.

1935
01:38:00,093 --> 01:38:01,572
Speaker 6: They know it's all done and dot and then start

1936
01:38:01,612 --> 01:38:02,372
Speaker 6: crossingcuting them.

1937
01:38:02,572 --> 01:38:06,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely, said Pete. Thank you very much for kicking

1938
01:38:06,652 --> 01:38:09,372
Speaker 2: us off of this one. So many coming through on

1939
01:38:09,612 --> 01:38:11,253
Speaker 2: nine to nine two. But can you get your views

1940
01:38:11,293 --> 01:38:14,173
Speaker 2: on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, what is

1941
01:38:14,213 --> 01:38:18,213
Speaker 2: actually stopping the government from banning guy fawks and firework sales?

1942
01:38:18,372 --> 01:38:21,492
Speaker 2: I think public appetite. I've got plenty of things to

1943
01:38:21,572 --> 01:38:23,612
Speaker 2: sort out, and I just don't think they want to

1944
01:38:23,652 --> 01:38:25,812
Speaker 2: tackle that hot potato. I mean, there seems to be

1945
01:38:25,893 --> 01:38:29,532
Speaker 2: a growing push to ban those public firework sales, but

1946
01:38:30,133 --> 01:38:32,412
Speaker 2: I think from a government point of view, just something

1947
01:38:32,812 --> 01:38:34,973
Speaker 2: it's easier to leave alone at this point. But that

1948
01:38:35,133 --> 01:38:39,372
Speaker 2: may change. This one says perhaps if we have to

1949
01:38:39,452 --> 01:38:41,572
Speaker 2: have fireworks, they are only sold in Matariki in the

1950
01:38:41,612 --> 01:38:44,693
Speaker 2: winter months and not sold around the fifth of November

1951
01:38:44,772 --> 01:38:47,532
Speaker 2: as well. This one from DearS, it's a cultural celebration,

1952
01:38:47,652 --> 01:38:50,852
Speaker 2: part of our collective history. Very important to honor and

1953
01:38:50,973 --> 01:38:53,692
Speaker 2: recognize such cultural events. Hence why we have it on

1954
01:38:53,732 --> 01:38:56,812
Speaker 2: the fifth of November, which was when Guy Fawks was

1955
01:38:56,893 --> 01:39:00,932
Speaker 2: arrested after the gunpowder plot and this one. It's simple

1956
01:39:01,093 --> 01:39:04,692
Speaker 2: allow their use November fifth and maybe December thirty one,

1957
01:39:04,893 --> 01:39:07,213
Speaker 2: January the first, and New Year's make it illegal with

1958
01:39:07,333 --> 01:39:09,772
Speaker 2: their hefty five and every other time in yes, that

1959
01:39:09,973 --> 01:39:12,932
Speaker 2: includes Duali, So keep those tips coming through. On nine

1960
01:39:13,013 --> 01:39:15,972
Speaker 2: two ninety two, But keen to hear how Guy Fawkes

1961
01:39:16,013 --> 01:39:18,093
Speaker 2: has been or five weeks have been near your place

1962
01:39:18,173 --> 01:39:19,852
Speaker 2: this year. I've got to say it feels like it's

1963
01:39:19,893 --> 01:39:23,933
Speaker 2: been a little bit tamer. The security in Auckland on

1964
01:39:24,173 --> 01:39:27,293
Speaker 2: the various volcanoes has been pretty top notch. Usually that

1965
01:39:27,492 --> 01:39:30,052
Speaker 2: goes a bit crazy on some of those those mountains.

1966
01:39:30,093 --> 01:39:32,452
Speaker 2: But so far, so good by the sounds of it.

1967
01:39:32,692 --> 01:39:34,293
Speaker 2: But keen to hear from you on one hundred and

1968
01:39:34,293 --> 01:39:36,933
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty headlines with railing coming up, it is

1969
01:39:37,053 --> 01:39:37,692
Speaker 2: twenty eight to.

1970
01:39:37,772 --> 01:39:44,133
Speaker 11: Four youth talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis.

1971
01:39:44,293 --> 01:39:47,812
Speaker 11: It's no trouble with a blue bubble Tapatu Mari is

1972
01:39:47,933 --> 01:39:52,572
Speaker 11: defending retaliation against taik omp Maria man or Kappa Kingi

1973
01:39:52,692 --> 01:39:56,412
Speaker 11: and her Son party co leader Raweri Waititi says a

1974
01:39:56,532 --> 01:40:02,092
Speaker 11: report they released cannot be disputed. Worksafes investigating a person

1975
01:40:02,253 --> 01:40:06,132
Speaker 11: dying at Hastings Homegrown Juice Company on Friday, the second

1976
01:40:06,173 --> 01:40:09,812
Speaker 11: death at the company in the past eight year. Major

1977
01:40:09,853 --> 01:40:12,852
Speaker 11: company for As three sixty Limited is putting more than

1978
01:40:12,893 --> 01:40:16,973
Speaker 11: four hundred thousand dollars into road safety research, education and

1979
01:40:17,093 --> 01:40:20,932
Speaker 11: software and paying a widow amends after a man died

1980
01:40:20,973 --> 01:40:23,892
Speaker 11: in the Coromandel in twenty twenty three when his logging

1981
01:40:24,013 --> 01:40:28,852
Speaker 11: truck rolled. SkyCity has officially taken possession of Auckland's new

1982
01:40:28,973 --> 01:40:33,412
Speaker 11: International Convention Center, ten years since construction began and costing

1983
01:40:33,492 --> 01:40:38,132
Speaker 11: an estimated one billion dollars. A high alert public warnings

1984
01:40:38,173 --> 01:40:42,053
Speaker 11: been issued after illicit vape pods known as space of

1985
01:40:42,173 --> 01:40:45,532
Speaker 11: Vapes or k pods have put some people in hospital

1986
01:40:45,812 --> 01:40:51,293
Speaker 11: because they contain the anesthetic drug etomidate. From farmers' markets

1987
01:40:51,532 --> 01:40:55,613
Speaker 11: to millions, the sweet rise of these Christchurch Market macaron.

1988
01:40:56,053 --> 01:40:58,372
Speaker 11: You can see the full story at enzt Herald Premium.

1989
01:40:58,692 --> 01:41:00,333
Speaker 11: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1990
01:41:00,412 --> 01:41:02,412
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Rayleen, and we are talking about

1991
01:41:02,452 --> 01:41:05,452
Speaker 2: firework sales. So this is after a family saidly lost

1992
01:41:05,652 --> 01:41:08,293
Speaker 2: their beloved dog on the very first day that firework

1993
01:41:08,532 --> 01:41:10,852
Speaker 2: went on sale. The dog was spooked by fireworks, fled

1994
01:41:11,333 --> 01:41:14,652
Speaker 2: and was tragically run over when it ran onto the road.

1995
01:41:14,692 --> 01:41:16,532
Speaker 2: So it's prompted the family to call for changes in

1996
01:41:16,612 --> 01:41:19,732
Speaker 2: how fireworks are sold and used. And another story about

1997
01:41:19,732 --> 01:41:21,933
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of students. They were having a fireworks

1998
01:41:22,093 --> 01:41:24,972
Speaker 2: fights down and Dunedin, as scarfees tend to do from

1999
01:41:25,013 --> 01:41:28,812
Speaker 2: time to time, and when police and firefighters turned up,

2000
01:41:28,933 --> 01:41:33,092
Speaker 2: they turned the fireworks on those emergency service personnel, which

2001
01:41:33,333 --> 01:41:36,253
Speaker 2: is pretty full on and there's more investigation into that

2002
01:41:36,293 --> 01:41:39,253
Speaker 2: particular incident. So the question I've raised is how do

2003
01:41:39,333 --> 01:41:42,532
Speaker 2: we feel about fireworks sales to the public during what

2004
01:41:42,772 --> 01:41:45,732
Speaker 2: is a particular dry time of year for New Zealand.

2005
01:41:45,732 --> 01:41:47,412
Speaker 2: And yes, I got the texts and saying we're only

2006
01:41:47,452 --> 01:41:48,973
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks in the spring. I get that,

2007
01:41:49,333 --> 01:41:51,253
Speaker 2: but it is pretty dry out there. I mean, there's

2008
01:41:51,253 --> 01:41:53,893
Speaker 2: another scrub fire in Canterbury today, not saying that was

2009
01:41:53,973 --> 01:41:56,892
Speaker 2: caused by fireworks, but clearly it is getting into fire

2010
01:41:57,053 --> 01:42:01,293
Speaker 2: season and selling explosives to the public during this time

2011
01:42:01,333 --> 01:42:03,652
Speaker 2: a year in New Zealand to me just seems a

2012
01:42:03,692 --> 01:42:07,812
Speaker 2: bit crazy, and I understand the historical context around guy fawks.

2013
01:42:08,612 --> 01:42:10,293
Speaker 2: Is there any reason why we can't do it at

2014
01:42:10,293 --> 01:42:12,852
Speaker 2: another time of the year. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

2015
01:42:13,013 --> 01:42:14,492
Speaker 2: is that number to call? Get Mary?

2016
01:42:16,452 --> 01:42:16,572
Speaker 23: Oh?

2017
01:42:16,692 --> 01:42:18,932
Speaker 2: Magine? Sorry, Hey Maddie, how are you sorry?

2018
01:42:19,612 --> 01:42:19,732
Speaker 5: Hi?

2019
01:42:19,933 --> 01:42:20,133
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2020
01:42:20,492 --> 01:42:23,812
Speaker 18: Hi? Yeah, that's all right. Yeah, sorry to hear about

2021
01:42:23,893 --> 01:42:29,532
Speaker 18: that dog, but yeah, sorry, But I'm all for guy forks.

2022
01:42:30,933 --> 01:42:32,052
Speaker 6: I'm pretty old.

2023
01:42:32,372 --> 01:42:35,692
Speaker 18: But you know, the thing is is that we had

2024
01:42:35,772 --> 01:42:37,933
Speaker 18: them when we were kurd to know and went on

2025
01:42:38,253 --> 01:42:42,253
Speaker 18: about it. I mean, it's like you're taking that next

2026
01:42:42,372 --> 01:42:47,532
Speaker 18: generations in the way. I just yeah, I'm all for

2027
01:42:47,732 --> 01:42:51,732
Speaker 18: it anyway. And but what we do is we go

2028
01:42:51,933 --> 01:42:55,173
Speaker 18: to this park and everyone just lets them off there

2029
01:42:55,293 --> 01:42:57,293
Speaker 18: where it's there's no trees.

2030
01:42:59,053 --> 01:43:02,293
Speaker 7: You know, we're safe. And yeah.

2031
01:43:02,452 --> 01:43:05,053
Speaker 18: And another thing is that you know, people know that

2032
01:43:05,253 --> 01:43:08,812
Speaker 18: it's going to be guy forks, So can they like

2033
01:43:09,133 --> 01:43:11,293
Speaker 18: lofty animals or something.

2034
01:43:12,612 --> 01:43:14,852
Speaker 2: It's a fair point. Yeah, And there's a few texts

2035
01:43:14,893 --> 01:43:18,013
Speaker 2: coming in that regard Meddi that it's a couple of

2036
01:43:18,093 --> 01:43:20,093
Speaker 2: days that they sell the fireworks. But the hard part

2037
01:43:20,253 --> 01:43:23,452
Speaker 2: is it's a couple of days of sales, but then

2038
01:43:23,772 --> 01:43:28,372
Speaker 2: it is usually months of people letting off fireworks at

2039
01:43:28,492 --> 01:43:30,612
Speaker 2: random nights, you know what I mean. As we get

2040
01:43:30,652 --> 01:43:33,452
Speaker 2: into summer, they've still got the stockpile of fireworks that

2041
01:43:33,572 --> 01:43:37,492
Speaker 2: are setting off anytime they like, really, and that can

2042
01:43:37,572 --> 01:43:40,253
Speaker 2: be difficult for people with yeah, people with dogs. But

2043
01:43:40,372 --> 01:43:42,372
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, and this is why I'm

2044
01:43:42,412 --> 01:43:44,053
Speaker 2: torn on it that I actually don't want to be

2045
01:43:44,213 --> 01:43:46,932
Speaker 2: the anti fun police. And you're quite right. I love

2046
01:43:47,173 --> 01:43:49,333
Speaker 2: I loved fireworks as a kid, medi so and a

2047
01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:52,812
Speaker 2: lot of people do. And when you ban something, it's

2048
01:43:53,013 --> 01:43:56,132
Speaker 2: very difficult to get back. And it is a freedom

2049
01:43:56,173 --> 01:43:57,812
Speaker 2: that we have here in New Zealand at the moment.

2050
01:43:58,412 --> 01:44:00,412
Speaker 2: And perhaps that's a part of it. There's always going

2051
01:44:00,452 --> 01:44:03,013
Speaker 2: to be dickheads in life and dickheads in society, so

2052
01:44:03,173 --> 01:44:06,692
Speaker 2: as banning all fireworks to to everybody the right way

2053
01:44:06,772 --> 01:44:09,972
Speaker 2: to solve it. But is it really that controversial to say,

2054
01:44:10,013 --> 01:44:13,133
Speaker 2: maybe let's shift it to winter. Because you've got a

2055
01:44:13,173 --> 01:44:15,572
Speaker 2: feel for the firefighters. There's a text here from a

2056
01:44:15,652 --> 01:44:18,852
Speaker 2: volunteer firefighter one hundred and sixty six callouts last year

2057
01:44:18,933 --> 01:44:21,652
Speaker 2: due to fireworks. You know, that's stretch thin as it

2058
01:44:21,772 --> 01:44:25,052
Speaker 2: is here, it is, Hi, Tyler, I'm a volunteer firefighter.

2059
01:44:25,213 --> 01:44:28,293
Speaker 2: I'd prefer only public displays, but if we have to

2060
01:44:28,372 --> 01:44:31,532
Speaker 2: still have public sales, we should change the data sales

2061
01:44:31,612 --> 01:44:35,452
Speaker 2: to Martariki the start of winter. Forget Guy Fawkes who

2062
01:44:35,612 --> 01:44:39,173
Speaker 2: remembers him that is from Judy. It's a fair point,

2063
01:44:39,213 --> 01:44:41,293
Speaker 2: isn't it. We can still have our fun, maybe just

2064
01:44:41,412 --> 01:44:44,572
Speaker 2: not when it has the potential to cause wildfires. But

2065
01:44:44,652 --> 01:44:46,213
Speaker 2: what do you say, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

2066
01:44:46,253 --> 01:44:48,492
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call? It is twenty one

2067
01:44:48,572 --> 01:44:52,172
Speaker 2: to four. Back very shortly, come a chat.

2068
01:44:52,053 --> 01:44:54,972
Speaker 1: With the lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Matt

2069
01:44:55,013 --> 01:44:57,812
Speaker 1: Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons news talk.

2070
01:44:57,692 --> 01:45:00,492
Speaker 2: Sa'd be we're talking about fireworks and boy oh boy,

2071
01:45:00,772 --> 01:45:03,852
Speaker 2: just had hundreds and hundreds of texts flood through and

2072
01:45:03,973 --> 01:45:05,732
Speaker 2: we've got full boards. So let's get straight back to

2073
01:45:05,812 --> 01:45:08,772
Speaker 2: the phones. Get a Chris, Hey, mate, are you doing

2074
01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 2: very good? You're a dog owner? How do you feel

2075
01:45:10,772 --> 01:45:12,172
Speaker 2: about the public sale of fireworks?

2076
01:45:13,133 --> 01:45:15,293
Speaker 14: Well, I'm all right with it. Like I know, like

2077
01:45:15,572 --> 01:45:18,692
Speaker 14: at the end of the day in Dwale fireworks Christmas,

2078
01:45:18,893 --> 01:45:20,933
Speaker 14: we know firecraker isn't going to go off and we

2079
01:45:21,053 --> 01:45:24,893
Speaker 14: lock our dogs away you know, and that's what you

2080
01:45:24,973 --> 01:45:27,812
Speaker 14: do as a responsible pet owner. You can't just blame

2081
01:45:27,933 --> 01:45:30,692
Speaker 14: fireworks because you're not smart enough to lock your dog

2082
01:45:30,772 --> 01:45:33,052
Speaker 14: inside or because you don't want to put your dog inside.

2083
01:45:33,293 --> 01:45:35,172
Speaker 20: Yeah, but as a pet.

2084
01:45:35,053 --> 01:45:37,492
Speaker 14: Owner, you should be responsible for that. I mean, I

2085
01:45:37,612 --> 01:45:40,013
Speaker 14: understand that a dog running off because the fireworks and

2086
01:45:40,053 --> 01:45:42,412
Speaker 14: he didn't run over is a sad thing. But at

2087
01:45:42,452 --> 01:45:43,772
Speaker 14: the end of the day, there should have been a

2088
01:45:43,853 --> 01:45:47,333
Speaker 14: fence or the dog should have been inside. Whether it's

2089
01:45:47,452 --> 01:45:50,772
Speaker 14: five days before fireworks, the day fireworks go on sale,

2090
01:45:51,133 --> 01:45:53,293
Speaker 14: I make sure my dogs are inside come dark.

2091
01:45:54,053 --> 01:45:56,492
Speaker 2: And that's very fair. And you're quite right, Chris, that

2092
01:45:56,612 --> 01:45:59,532
Speaker 2: was a tragic situation with that dog, and nobody would

2093
01:45:59,572 --> 01:46:02,372
Speaker 2: be you know, pleased to hear that. That is incredibly

2094
01:46:02,452 --> 01:46:04,933
Speaker 2: sad for that family. But yeah, on the on the

2095
01:46:05,093 --> 01:46:07,333
Speaker 2: on the day that fireworks has been sold, that is

2096
01:46:07,333 --> 01:46:09,772
Speaker 2: a fair point. But what about going forward, and this

2097
01:46:09,973 --> 01:46:13,412
Speaker 2: does happen that people stockpile and they set them off

2098
01:46:13,692 --> 01:46:16,253
Speaker 2: kind of on random nights for the next month or

2099
01:46:16,333 --> 01:46:19,892
Speaker 2: two months, that can be difficult. Maybe not for dog owners.

2100
01:46:19,933 --> 01:46:21,732
Speaker 2: I think you can still manage that as a dog owner,

2101
01:46:21,812 --> 01:46:25,972
Speaker 2: but for rural people with stock and horses. That's pretty

2102
01:46:25,973 --> 01:46:26,532
Speaker 2: hard to deal with.

2103
01:46:27,532 --> 01:46:29,933
Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I can understand like rural people, but I

2104
01:46:30,013 --> 01:46:32,293
Speaker 14: mean if you're in if you're in the city or

2105
01:46:32,492 --> 01:46:35,293
Speaker 14: in the you know, in a in a town, you

2106
01:46:35,452 --> 01:46:38,572
Speaker 14: kind of like I've known fireworks skulf at this time

2107
01:46:38,572 --> 01:46:40,492
Speaker 14: of the year my whole life. I'm sure everyone that's

2108
01:46:40,532 --> 01:46:41,293
Speaker 14: been alive does.

2109
01:46:41,933 --> 01:46:42,133
Speaker 20: Yeah.

2110
01:46:42,732 --> 01:46:45,372
Speaker 14: So I can't blame people for doing the stupid things

2111
01:46:45,412 --> 01:46:47,492
Speaker 14: they're going to do anyway. You've just got to mitigate

2112
01:46:47,572 --> 01:46:49,452
Speaker 14: those those issues.

2113
01:46:49,732 --> 01:46:52,372
Speaker 2: Yep, very true. Well what about what about changing the date, Chris?

2114
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:55,293
Speaker 2: Would that mitigate those issues? There'll be people upset that

2115
01:46:55,412 --> 01:46:58,013
Speaker 2: it's no no relevance to guy fawks, But does that

2116
01:46:58,133 --> 01:46:58,572
Speaker 2: really matter?

2117
01:46:58,732 --> 01:47:01,972
Speaker 14: I'm very about like doing it. It must have eaten

2118
01:47:02,013 --> 01:47:04,412
Speaker 14: at the beginning of inter for sure, for sure. But

2119
01:47:04,572 --> 01:47:09,412
Speaker 14: Tibetan completely Well. I love fireworks, you know them off responsibly.

2120
01:47:09,612 --> 01:47:09,812
Speaker 7: Yep.

2121
01:47:09,973 --> 01:47:11,492
Speaker 10: I usually wait till they've got the.

2122
01:47:12,013 --> 01:47:16,612
Speaker 14: Patony Beach fireworks. But I think let's stop those now.

2123
01:47:16,893 --> 01:47:21,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, great points, absolutely, And just on that point

2124
01:47:21,492 --> 01:47:24,053
Speaker 2: of shifting the date for it, there's always going to

2125
01:47:24,053 --> 01:47:26,293
Speaker 2: be the dicky in factor. You can't get around that.

2126
01:47:26,333 --> 01:47:28,932
Speaker 2: There's always idiots out there. No matter what you try

2127
01:47:29,013 --> 01:47:32,692
Speaker 2: and ban or do or regulate or change. But is

2128
01:47:32,732 --> 01:47:34,932
Speaker 2: it that controversial to say, let's just move it to winter.

2129
01:47:35,293 --> 01:47:37,213
Speaker 2: Doesn't even have to be a madadiki, just back a

2130
01:47:37,333 --> 01:47:39,492
Speaker 2: random day. I mean, do we really care about Guy

2131
01:47:39,572 --> 01:47:43,692
Speaker 2: Fawks anymore? I mean I don't. There's probably a few

2132
01:47:43,732 --> 01:47:45,612
Speaker 2: people out there keen to hear from you. If that's you.

2133
01:47:45,692 --> 01:47:47,333
Speaker 2: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

2134
01:47:47,492 --> 01:47:51,013
Speaker 2: number to call? Get a he you go, Tyler, how

2135
01:47:51,293 --> 01:47:52,372
Speaker 2: I'm good mate? What do you reckon?

2136
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Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, Guy Fawkes, there's no relevance to New Zealand

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01:47:58,372 --> 01:48:02,452
Speaker 7: and never has for a start. I mean, you know,

2138
01:48:02,652 --> 01:48:05,092
Speaker 7: five weeks comped out and made its way from China

2139
01:48:06,093 --> 01:48:12,333
Speaker 7: to India and and about the same time thirteenth fourteenth century,

2140
01:48:13,893 --> 01:48:18,732
Speaker 7: so it was a big part of Duali, you know,

2141
01:48:18,853 --> 01:48:22,133
Speaker 7: as time progressed, not immediately, it took a few hundred years,

2142
01:48:22,612 --> 01:48:23,412
Speaker 7: same as Britain.

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01:48:23,492 --> 01:48:23,612
Speaker 23: You know.

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01:48:26,893 --> 01:48:29,653
Speaker 7: Now, I'm not a killjoy. I like a public display.

2145
01:48:30,293 --> 01:48:34,052
Speaker 7: Nothing better than a really well organized, expensive public display.

2146
01:48:34,372 --> 01:48:40,692
Speaker 7: It is awesome. Yep. I don't see how what the

2147
01:48:40,853 --> 01:48:45,572
Speaker 7: relevance of I mean, given one that surely certain elements

2148
01:48:45,612 --> 01:48:49,532
Speaker 7: wouldn't want to associate guy forks a colonial tradition to

2149
01:48:49,652 --> 01:48:54,412
Speaker 7: mart rang at all. You'd have to separate that for

2150
01:48:54,532 --> 01:48:58,772
Speaker 7: a start and let other people thrust that out. But

2151
01:48:59,253 --> 01:49:02,852
Speaker 7: and the way to deal with dickheads is to stop

2152
01:49:02,973 --> 01:49:07,253
Speaker 7: selling to the public. They'll run out eventually, you know.

2153
01:49:07,692 --> 01:49:10,372
Speaker 2: Do you worry tim that when you ban Once you

2154
01:49:10,492 --> 01:49:13,532
Speaker 2: ban something at a government level, very difficult to bring

2155
01:49:13,612 --> 01:49:15,372
Speaker 2: it back. And I know the Aussies they don't allow

2156
01:49:15,412 --> 01:49:18,372
Speaker 2: the public sale of fireworks, and fair enough because that's

2157
01:49:18,412 --> 01:49:20,732
Speaker 2: tend to dry at the best of times. But I

2158
01:49:20,893 --> 01:49:24,372
Speaker 2: remember skyrockets and they've got banned I believe in the

2159
01:49:24,572 --> 01:49:27,772
Speaker 2: early nineties, maybe late nineties, but they're never coming back.

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01:49:27,933 --> 01:49:30,732
Speaker 2: It's probably for good reason, because those were pretty dangerous

2161
01:49:30,732 --> 01:49:33,253
Speaker 2: if we think about it. But once once they're gone,

2162
01:49:33,293 --> 01:49:35,293
Speaker 2: they're gone. Does that worry you at all?

2163
01:49:36,933 --> 01:49:37,013
Speaker 3: Now?

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01:49:37,093 --> 01:49:40,173
Speaker 7: I mean, it depends what they're banning, and I think

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01:49:40,293 --> 01:49:44,532
Speaker 7: people all forget about it. Sain enough. You know, if

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01:49:44,572 --> 01:49:49,492
Speaker 7: you have good organized public displays, say at March or

2167
01:49:49,532 --> 01:49:53,333
Speaker 7: any time or in the winter or Ford Dwali, you know,

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01:49:53,732 --> 01:49:58,293
Speaker 7: organized displays, I don't think people are going to bother

2169
01:49:58,412 --> 01:50:01,213
Speaker 7: about not being able to buy biwaks.

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01:50:02,053 --> 01:50:04,132
Speaker 20: Yeah, I mean.

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01:50:05,973 --> 01:50:09,732
Speaker 7: You know, I mean it's a it should at the

2172
01:50:10,013 --> 01:50:15,213
Speaker 7: very least, it should definitely be changed until winter, you know,

2173
01:50:15,372 --> 01:50:17,412
Speaker 7: make winter stoles us or whatever it is, which is

2174
01:50:17,492 --> 01:50:20,772
Speaker 7: much rangy anyway, So yeah, make it easter if you

2175
01:50:20,812 --> 01:50:22,652
Speaker 7: want to. You know, you've got to call it something

2176
01:50:22,732 --> 01:50:25,893
Speaker 7: different than Guy Fawkes, which really is never relevance to

2177
01:50:25,973 --> 01:50:26,532
Speaker 7: New Zealand.

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01:50:26,812 --> 01:50:28,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, Tom. I mean, look, I

2179
01:50:28,772 --> 01:50:32,852
Speaker 2: get there's some historical context there with our ties to

2180
01:50:33,133 --> 01:50:36,412
Speaker 2: the UK, but I you know, I couldn't really care

2181
01:50:36,652 --> 01:50:39,532
Speaker 2: about the Guy Fawkes incident in relation to what we

2182
01:50:39,652 --> 01:50:42,133
Speaker 2: do here in New Zealand now. And if we're really

2183
01:50:42,572 --> 01:50:44,372
Speaker 2: that fussed about it, I mean, why isn't a public

2184
01:50:44,372 --> 01:50:46,852
Speaker 2: holiday we can all take the day off to celebrate

2185
01:50:46,893 --> 01:50:48,692
Speaker 2: the arrest of Guy Fawkes after he tried to blow

2186
01:50:48,772 --> 01:50:51,492
Speaker 2: up the houses of Parliament in the UK. But I

2187
01:50:51,772 --> 01:50:53,492
Speaker 2: think it's not a silly idea to just have it

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01:50:53,532 --> 01:50:56,293
Speaker 2: a mataiki Chris, how are you?

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01:50:56,652 --> 01:50:59,333
Speaker 5: Yes, you've just summed it up for me. Why do

2190
01:50:59,452 --> 01:51:03,452
Speaker 5: we celebrate this day? You know, truly they tried that

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01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:06,812
Speaker 5: guy tried. Guy Fawks tried to blow up the House

2192
01:51:06,853 --> 01:51:10,452
Speaker 5: of Parliament in England. Yeah, and I don't know why

2193
01:51:10,652 --> 01:51:12,932
Speaker 5: we celebrated. It's kind of crazy.

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01:51:13,213 --> 01:51:16,572
Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, Chris, the celebration is around his

2195
01:51:16,772 --> 01:51:20,532
Speaker 2: arrest and his failed attempt to blow up the houses

2196
01:51:20,612 --> 01:51:23,772
Speaker 2: of Parliament. But you're right, I mean from a historical

2197
01:51:23,853 --> 01:51:26,372
Speaker 2: point of view, I've got no real ties to that,

2198
01:51:26,612 --> 01:51:28,852
Speaker 2: and if we know, if we were really being honest,

2199
01:51:29,213 --> 01:51:32,053
Speaker 2: I think most of us don't really care too much

2200
01:51:32,093 --> 01:51:35,053
Speaker 2: about that that tie, historical tie in relation to how

2201
01:51:35,093 --> 01:51:37,213
Speaker 2: we live our lives in New Zealand. It's just because

2202
01:51:37,253 --> 01:51:39,532
Speaker 2: we're allowed to buy these fireworks and they're fun and

2203
01:51:39,652 --> 01:51:42,173
Speaker 2: we set them off. That's the part we care about,

2204
01:51:42,213 --> 01:51:44,213
Speaker 2: so we can do that anytime.

2205
01:51:43,572 --> 01:51:43,892
Speaker 10: Of the year.

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01:51:44,532 --> 01:51:47,772
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I remember when I was young, my dad

2207
01:51:47,933 --> 01:51:52,652
Speaker 5: died on my fifteenth birthday and mum bought us up

2208
01:51:52,772 --> 01:51:55,572
Speaker 5: and she always used to celebrate guy forks and she

2209
01:51:55,652 --> 01:51:59,293
Speaker 5: used to buy us the little you hold them in

2210
01:51:59,372 --> 01:52:00,613
Speaker 5: your hand with it called.

2211
01:52:03,013 --> 01:52:05,973
Speaker 2: Sparklers. Oh sorry, is it the sparklers?

2212
01:52:06,772 --> 01:52:09,692
Speaker 5: The sparklers, Yeah, that's what we had, you know.

2213
01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:13,772
Speaker 2: It's good save fun, the old sparkler's. But I think, yeah,

2214
01:52:13,893 --> 01:52:17,372
Speaker 2: a lot of the guy fawks or the fireworks fanatics,

2215
01:52:18,293 --> 01:52:19,772
Speaker 2: it's fair to say they want a bit more than

2216
01:52:19,812 --> 01:52:21,732
Speaker 2: the old sparkler, but fair enough to Chris, thank you

2217
01:52:21,853 --> 01:52:24,972
Speaker 2: very much. This teakes to says Tyler, You're completely wrong.

2218
01:52:25,253 --> 01:52:28,173
Speaker 2: Are wrong, mate. My family has and always will enjoy

2219
01:52:28,372 --> 01:52:31,372
Speaker 2: lighting fireworks together. It's a special occasion. We come together

2220
01:52:31,532 --> 01:52:34,012
Speaker 2: for guy fawks more than we do for birthdays. There's

2221
01:52:34,053 --> 01:52:37,612
Speaker 2: something special special about letting our fireworks off with your

2222
01:52:37,772 --> 01:52:40,013
Speaker 2: children and family. It gives us something more to do

2223
01:52:40,333 --> 01:52:43,852
Speaker 2: than just another bloody barbecue. I actually agree with you, Texter,

2224
01:52:44,093 --> 01:52:46,173
Speaker 2: but my point is why can't we have the sale

2225
01:52:46,173 --> 01:52:50,012
Speaker 2: of fireworks in winter where the poor old fire Service

2226
01:52:50,053 --> 01:52:52,213
Speaker 2: isn't getting called out one hundred and sixty six times

2227
01:52:52,253 --> 01:52:55,572
Speaker 2: a year as they were last year for fireworks related incidents.

2228
01:52:55,973 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 2: That's my point. You can still sell them and have

2229
01:52:58,253 --> 01:52:59,892
Speaker 2: a good time, just do it in winter when it's

2230
01:52:59,933 --> 01:53:02,173
Speaker 2: not bone dry across the country. But what do you say, Oh,

2231
01:53:02,173 --> 01:53:04,412
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to

2232
01:53:04,532 --> 01:53:06,013
Speaker 2: call back in the mo It's ten to four.

2233
01:53:07,293 --> 01:53:10,612
Speaker 1: It's a big story, the big issues, the big trends

2234
01:53:10,772 --> 01:53:14,492
Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

2235
01:53:14,772 --> 01:53:15,293
Speaker 1: used talks.

2236
01:53:15,293 --> 01:53:18,692
Speaker 2: That'd be it is seven to four Jennifer, how are you?

2237
01:53:20,492 --> 01:53:22,933
Speaker 2: How are you not too bad at all? So you

2238
01:53:23,213 --> 01:53:25,732
Speaker 2: excuse me, You've got horses, So how do you feel

2239
01:53:25,772 --> 01:53:27,253
Speaker 2: about guy fawk season.

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01:53:29,173 --> 01:53:34,293
Speaker 24: I'm not against Guy Fawk's. I grew up in a

2241
01:53:34,412 --> 01:53:37,772
Speaker 24: family where we let them off every year and we

2242
01:53:37,933 --> 01:53:40,692
Speaker 24: just manage it. What is the troubling thing from most

2243
01:53:40,772 --> 01:53:43,372
Speaker 24: horse owners because we have to put so much thought

2244
01:53:43,452 --> 01:53:47,333
Speaker 24: into stabling the horses for that period of time. It's

2245
01:53:47,492 --> 01:53:49,452
Speaker 24: like a lot of your other callers have said, is

2246
01:53:49,492 --> 01:53:51,772
Speaker 24: all the idiots that let them off between then and

2247
01:53:52,412 --> 01:53:55,333
Speaker 24: god knows when later in the year. It's just it's

2248
01:53:55,452 --> 01:53:59,293
Speaker 24: just hard work and you never know when you're going

2249
01:53:59,333 --> 01:53:59,932
Speaker 24: to get hit.

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01:54:00,973 --> 01:54:04,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's that's the whole part about this,

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01:54:04,213 --> 01:54:07,372
Speaker 2: Jennifer is I think most ordinary keiw Weis are not

2252
01:54:07,452 --> 01:54:09,892
Speaker 2: too fussed about the same fireworks. But when you're an

2253
01:54:09,933 --> 01:54:12,692
Speaker 2: animal owner like you are with the horses, it's the

2254
01:54:12,973 --> 01:54:16,412
Speaker 2: ability to stockpile and set them off intermittently over the

2255
01:54:16,452 --> 01:54:18,452
Speaker 2: next couple of months, right, And that is very hard

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01:54:18,532 --> 01:54:20,173
Speaker 2: because you do the right thing as a horse owner.

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01:54:20,213 --> 01:54:22,732
Speaker 2: I take it you make sure there's things in place

2258
01:54:22,893 --> 01:54:25,852
Speaker 2: too that your horses are safe. But that's very difficult

2259
01:54:25,893 --> 01:54:27,333
Speaker 2: to do if you don't know when they're going to

2260
01:54:27,372 --> 01:54:29,532
Speaker 2: be set off from now until New Year.

2261
01:54:31,053 --> 01:54:33,453
Speaker 24: And the other thing is like we're also on a farm,

2262
01:54:33,613 --> 01:54:37,213
Speaker 24: so come in December around New Year's time, which is

2263
01:54:37,213 --> 01:54:39,653
Speaker 24: another popular time for them to be let off. That's

2264
01:54:39,693 --> 01:54:41,933
Speaker 24: when we commonly have a lot of standing hay in

2265
01:54:41,973 --> 01:54:47,173
Speaker 24: the paddocks. And it's just such a continual worry that

2266
01:54:47,772 --> 01:54:51,493
Speaker 24: somebody from out of town is going to come from

2267
01:54:51,613 --> 01:54:53,053
Speaker 24: in town. It's going to come out of town and

2268
01:54:53,453 --> 01:54:55,772
Speaker 24: let off a whole bunch of fireworks. And you know

2269
01:54:55,812 --> 01:54:58,213
Speaker 24: when you're talking about hectors and hectors and hectors are

2270
01:54:58,253 --> 01:55:01,772
Speaker 24: standing hay, it can go up like a yeah, it's

2271
01:55:01,933 --> 01:55:02,613
Speaker 24: just devastating.

2272
01:55:02,733 --> 01:55:05,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely nicely said Jennifer. Thanks very much for giving

2273
01:55:05,573 --> 01:55:06,012
Speaker 2: me a buzz.

2274
01:55:06,173 --> 01:55:06,333
Speaker 5: Dan.

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01:55:06,413 --> 01:55:08,093
Speaker 2: We've got about sixty seconds. What do you reckon?

2276
01:55:09,533 --> 01:55:12,972
Speaker 23: Okay, I'll give you an example. I want to lead

2277
01:55:13,053 --> 01:55:16,852
Speaker 23: the fireworks, but before I do, I better ring up

2278
01:55:16,893 --> 01:55:19,653
Speaker 23: the fire brigade because I know I'm going to burn

2279
01:55:19,733 --> 01:55:25,373
Speaker 23: my house down. That's how nonsensical they are. Okay, it

2280
01:55:25,573 --> 01:55:28,893
Speaker 23: how fireworks to the public. Oh, by the way, we

2281
01:55:29,013 --> 01:55:31,733
Speaker 23: better get the fire brigade ready because we know that

2282
01:55:31,772 --> 01:55:35,733
Speaker 23: he is going to be fires. I mean, how nonsensical

2283
01:55:35,933 --> 01:55:36,053
Speaker 23: is it?

2284
01:55:37,293 --> 01:55:40,213
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm hoping not too many people burn down

2285
01:55:40,253 --> 01:55:42,812
Speaker 2: their own homes during fireworks season. But I get your analogy,

2286
01:55:43,413 --> 01:55:45,653
Speaker 2: and hence why I don't think it's a crazy idea

2287
01:55:45,772 --> 01:55:48,533
Speaker 2: to just have it in winter, Because you've got to

2288
01:55:48,573 --> 01:55:50,573
Speaker 2: have some risk in society, and you've got to allow

2289
01:55:50,653 --> 01:55:53,093
Speaker 2: people to celebrate things they want to celebrate, and you

2290
01:55:53,133 --> 01:55:55,453
Speaker 2: can't ban everything. And as I said before, there's always

2291
01:55:55,493 --> 01:55:57,373
Speaker 2: going to be the Dicka factor. So with all that

2292
01:55:57,533 --> 01:55:59,493
Speaker 2: in mind, you have to allow people to do some

2293
01:55:59,653 --> 01:56:01,812
Speaker 2: things they want to do. But just a bit of

2294
01:56:01,933 --> 01:56:05,733
Speaker 2: common sense or you know when I'm not talking about

2295
01:56:05,812 --> 01:56:09,453
Speaker 2: banning the sales completely in ruin everybody's far. Just some tweaks,

2296
01:56:09,733 --> 01:56:12,173
Speaker 2: just some tweaks to make sure that there's not going

2297
01:56:12,213 --> 01:56:13,772
Speaker 2: to be crazy wildfires every year.

2298
01:56:15,253 --> 01:56:21,333
Speaker 23: Surely things that make common sense make common sense, Like

2299
01:56:21,533 --> 01:56:24,052
Speaker 23: you don't have light a fire in your house because

2300
01:56:24,053 --> 01:56:25,852
Speaker 23: you know you're got to beat in your house down.

2301
01:56:26,453 --> 01:56:29,293
Speaker 23: You don't have fire worse because you know they're gonna

2302
01:56:29,772 --> 01:56:34,613
Speaker 23: set a fire. One hundred and sixty six Cary, You've got.

2303
01:56:34,653 --> 01:56:35,893
Speaker 10: To be jad.

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01:56:37,253 --> 01:56:39,892
Speaker 2: Love your passion mate. Thank you very much for giving us,

2305
01:56:40,373 --> 01:56:42,852
Speaker 2: giving me a bars right, that's where we'll leave it.

2306
01:56:42,973 --> 01:56:45,733
Speaker 2: I mean, hundreds and hundreds of ticks coming through about

2307
01:56:45,812 --> 01:56:48,373
Speaker 2: guy fwks. It's not going to be Banns this year,

2308
01:56:48,453 --> 01:56:50,693
Speaker 2: probably not next year. So if you're out and about,

2309
01:56:50,973 --> 01:56:53,613
Speaker 2: just don't be a dickhead with your fireworks and enjoy it.

2310
01:56:53,853 --> 01:56:55,413
Speaker 2: And if you're setting them off with your family in

2311
01:56:55,453 --> 01:56:58,213
Speaker 2: the backyard, go hard because you're going to be safe.

2312
01:56:58,333 --> 01:57:00,333
Speaker 2: And that's a freedom that we've still got in this

2313
01:57:00,413 --> 01:57:02,772
Speaker 2: country for the time being. Great show today, thank you

2314
01:57:02,893 --> 01:57:05,973
Speaker 2: very much. It is November, of course, So a man

2315
01:57:06,013 --> 01:57:09,253
Speaker 2: who had a great mo was Freddy Murcuryes a little

2316
01:57:09,333 --> 01:57:12,373
Speaker 2: bit of queen to go out and of course with fireworks.

2317
01:57:12,453 --> 01:57:13,333
Speaker 2: Don't stop me now.

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01:57:13,893 --> 01:57:16,453
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